/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6620225

>>6620226
years later and he's STILL getting crabbed on.

>>6620225
>If picrel belonged to an IP I doubt people would call it generic
You would be wrong

>>6620230
Why do I keep seeing this image here?

What makes this generic? Is it because it’s been done before?

>>6620230
I dont’t get it
>>6620236
Why?

>>6620240
Butthurt that has withstood the test of time.

>>6620225
there is nothing particularly striking in its colors, composition, or subject matter. You look at it and your brain thinks of 100k other images with this same flare, color and composition. If it was done even a bit different, it'd be less commercially safe but would stick with you more.

>>6620225
It might be good, but the "generic" part depends entirely on what the customer, or in this case, the art director, is asking you to draw.
Magic the Gathering had "generic 90s fantasy style" on its beginning, and it was more eye-catching than today.

>>6620225
Anything that (you) have seen hundreds of time, show pic related to 5yo me and I would find it cool

>>6620241
Is it possible to make images with this subject matter much less generic, so it wouldn't be deemed generic?

>>6620225
Ai.
No compassion.

>>6620302
So if it’s been done before you should give up?

>>6620225
People probably say it's generic because the subject matter and style has been done to death. But I don't necessarily think there are generic subjects, just generic ways of handling them. What really makes something not generic, I think, is style. I have a hard time telling Magic artists apart because they paint in very similar ways but Giancola stands out to me because he uses gold a lot and in a particular way.

>>6620315
I'm sure if you got into a more obscure genre of art you'd start to become over familiar with tropes of that field, and things will be seen as generic to you there too.
nothing new under the sun? (though I think there are exceptions, it's so rare)

>>6620225
WE WUZ KNIGHTS N SHIET

>>6620245
Butthurt at what? What's special about that painting?

>>6620380
>>/ic/thread/S1809783#p1810496
It became a meme after this interaction.
If someone says "post your work" questioning your skill, you post that instead.

>>6620225
1) digital image don't have the same impact as real life painting, assuming they are comparable (ex: a digitized oil painting vs the real thing)
2) abundance of images everywhere anytime (hard to feel hungry when you're belly full)
3) lack of depth, inability to perceive depth (ex: hard to be impactful with a basket of fruits)
4) subjective perception (people react differently to different input)

that's for the "let's give them the benefice of the doubt." option. then you've got trolling and jealousy.

>>6620225
I'm unironically sick of this kind of cultural appropriation

Shit armor design too, its like this artist looked at some real life ref for 5 seconds without understanding the purpose behind it, and just went on with imitating his impression. Its like those savages that started using musket shaped clubs since they resembled the godly thundersticks white people had

>>6620536
>cultural appropriation
what is the appropriation? are you a triangle person?

>>6620536
>cultural appropriation
cultural appropiation doesn't exist, dude, stop following leftards on twitter.

>>6620225
Imagine the person who made this. What comes to mind is a plebeian who is in lockstep with the herd. The kind of man you would forget 5 minutes after meeting. They have no spirit, no guiding principle, and always follow the trends of the age. Their greatest fear is to be out of line and fall into disfavour with the masses. Generic people make generic art. If you're not one of these generic people, you have nothing to fear.

>>6620703
> Criticism is easy, art is difficult

>>6620703
please post some non generic art for comparison. (I don't disagree this image is quite "trendy")

>>6620703
Another "modern year MtG picture", which is little more than corporate safe grey ooze.

>>6620707
But he is right, that drawing may be technically perfect and all, but at what point do you draw the line of people pleasing and getting molded by others vs doing what you actually want, if there is even a trace left of what you wanted to do in the first place.
And I'm not even saying get stuck in a loop of thinking you're the shit, or being afraid you will lose your style like some deviant art fags claim, I'm just saying it should be up to the artist to improve in what aspects he seems appropriate, given the artist is self aware enough he will understand and follow the path that suits them, this being to me the pinnacle of someone who can create really good art.
I believe, that a nitpicky "perfect" drawing is the result of someone who is deeply insecure and in order to fulfill their insecurity, makes "art" to make others aknowledge their dedication to making art that cannot be criticized on a technical level.
What can I say to someone who made a piece like that?
Not much technically but... it gives me nothing.

>>6620703
>>6620225
I like his paintings In the case of these two images in particular - One is a woman on a horse with a sword just standing there, the other is a woman with a sword just standing there. It's the "safest" way he could have depicted these.

Pic related by the same author is much more imaginative imo. Btw do not buy Ryan Pancoast's tutorials - it's the most chaotic, unstructured process possible. Probably why he goes with the safest poses and comps most of the time

>>6620666
nah fuck u nigger
if they can pull that shit then so can we
stop appropriating yuropoor culture
no more elves for anybody but me
simple as

>>6620225
I think the "generic" aspect of this kind of art mainly comes in the composition, if you look at thumbnails of it you don't really see any interesting value shapes, colour effects etc, it's more like someone just kinda vomited on the canvas

>>6620752
>but at what point do you draw the line of people pleasing and getting molded by others vs doing what you actually want, if there is even a trace left of what you wanted to do in the first place.
Regardless, why assuming OP's pic is a people-pleaser? Why assuming the author didn't made it for fun? Why the free hate?

> I believe, that a nitpicky "perfect" drawing is the result of someone who is deeply insecure and in order to fulfill their insecurity, makes "art" to make others aknowledge their dedication to making art that cannot be criticized on a technical level.
The problem is that your mind is too narrow. You need to widen your horizons. How would you evaluate someone like Leonardo? His striving for correctness, still up to very recently, inspired new chirurgical procedures. Do you think he cut people open for fun? Smell rotten flesh for days because of fear of critics?

Do you think a father working himself to death to feed his family do so out of fear of critics?

>>6620756
Could also just be a result of a shitty AD that wants boring as fuck art, would not be surprised if that's the case given wotc's quality nowadays.

>>6620225
>I’ve been seeing some work I think looks good get called generic

common subject matter a good example is anime chick pinups , there is untold millions of them just floating in the void with some random crap around them. its just become visual noise even if they are high quality.

common styles, this is more driven by trends over time but its pretty obvious to see.

>>6620332
>I have a hard time telling Magic artists apart

go back to the 90s and early 00s and the art can be worlds apart per card, its because of their aggressive art direction to get uniformity across sets so the setting and story telling is more coherent.

>>6620225
Why is a NIGGER wearing a knight's suit of armor? I hate drawing niggers, but I would at least try to present her in a traditional African's warrior attire, it's honestly insulting how modern liberal faggots act like Africans have no culture of their own and force them into every other race's culture

>>6620970
>Why assuming the author didn't made it for fun? Why the free hate?
Because for these people it's easier to attack a random illustrator who's drawing the corporate grey slop instead of the company that asked for that grey slop.

>>6621157
>Could also just be a result of a shitty AD that wants boring as fuck art, would not be surprised if that's the case given wotc's quality nowadays.
This, WotC is full to the brim of politically correct people and turbo woke types.

>>6620970
>Why do you assume he doesn't draw fat negresses in armour standing around in boring poses for fun?

>>6620752
>given the artist is self aware enough he will understand and follow the path that suits them, this being to me the pinnacle of someone who can create really good art.
Yeah, this is key. It reminded me of something Robert Crumb said in a Comics Journal interview, so I dug it up from my notes:
>You have to trust yourself. There’s a lot of trust involved, and sometimes artists seem arrogant because they trust themselves to let it out. It takes a kind of egomaniacal arrogance to do that. You can really get lost if you don’t have that kind of confidence in yourself.
>I struggle with it all the time; that’s part of the tension of the whole thing. The tension and breakthrough is part of why people can identify with it and why it’s appealing, because we all have this struggle of trying to find out who we are and what’s really going on. People who can express that articulately in a work of art are helpful because it’s enriching and satisfying to experience something like that, whether it’s art, music or writing: “Man does not live by bread alone.”
>Usually they [artists] want very badly to please the group; to give people what they want or what they think people want. They do it for money or approval.
>People do that, become real slick and charming as hell in their work, and basically it’s not about anything real at all, but it sells. It soothes everybody’s desire to be part of the group.
In the last part he's talking about the social pressures artists face to conform, and now it's made far worse by social media. The incentives are all wrong.

>>6620390
>Algenpfleger

Makes me feel nostalgic. He's a extremely good painter who was really popular in the 2000s because he was so good that he could paint extreme perspective scenes like this by hand.

But then it became less impressive to "normies" because by the late 2010s almost every concept artist was photobashing and 3d rendering backgrounds in blender to paint over.

>>6621212
>>6621277
She’s Asian.

>>6621331
Blasian actually

>>6621277
Some guys like to get butt plug like little women. People can have weird tastes. Hell, there are ménage à trois with 2 dudes and a girl

>>6620970
>Regardless, why assuming OP's pic is a people-pleaser? Why assuming the author didn't made it for fun? Why the free hate?
that's giving him the benefit of the doubt. If this what he draws for fun, he must be dead inside.

>>6621382
> he not like me, he must be sad!!!
kill this idiotic mindset of yours

>>6620703
This picture is not art.

>>6620225
Worse than ai. Just think about it. Someone is worse than fucking ai.

>>6620226This better than>>6620225
Amazing. Now i see soul in mercwip...

>>6621466
90% of this board is worse than AI

>>6621528
at least they're trying unlike you rajesh

>>6621466
Nah, even a child's doodle is objectively better and more valuable than any AI generated slop because it's actually made by someone

>>6620225
>What makes art look generic
Young girl painted in alla prima. NOTHING is more generic, it is the lowest form of "art".

>>6621554
We're all trying, anon. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that my art quality is better than an AI, when it's not.

>>6620225
with your pic that artist clearly hasn't studied armor enough, they just created a vague approximation of something that looks like it might work. but look at that helmet - no thought has gone in to how that functions, what protection it provides, how it was made, doesnt even looks like it would fit on her head. fantasy shit requires autistic levels of worldbuilding too, something this artist hasn't gone in depth enough with either. that stuff needs to manifest itself in every aspect of design - the armour style, clothing, emblems. And you got this asian looking woman vaguely euro plate armor here. diversity in fantasy is fine, but no one fucking bothers to think how the mixing of cultures affects their fictional society or its aesthetics at all or even how they've mixed or where theyve come from in the first place. Thats what makes it generic, no thought has gone into any of this at all. its just a vague impression of something

>>6620225
Bad composition. Just look at the thumbnail, it barely even reads.

Why is the red flag so colorful and so attention seeking? It takes a third of the canvas for no fucking reason.

>>6621610
It's basically the art direction

>>6621528
>90% of people are worse than a computer who's sole purpose and output is to be good at art.
>100% of people are worse than a computer who's sole purpose and output is to be good at maths

>>6621382
there are good reasons for people to be usually given the benefice of the doubt in court. they essentially also apply at individual level

>If this what he draws for fun, he must be dead inside
why should he be dead inside? grown up who masturbates to drawing of prepubescent girls, that's an indicator of psychological disorders.

(wait a minute, you think because this is a triumphant black-asian woman, then it's some kind of wokefeminist bullshit? didn't even crossed my mind before desu)

>>6621604
This one gets to me. It's the first time I see AI art that makes me go "it's so over".

>>6621738
>then it's some kind of wokefeminist bullshit?
As if Wizards of the Coast and MtG haven't been drinking the woke poison already.

>>6621763
Man up.

>>6621604
>>6621763

>>6621779
Manning up didn't stop the horse industry to dwindle

>>6621528
t. AIfaggot jerking off to his NFT's

In my opinion, there's no one generic style, it's relative to what is popular in the market and how far it diverges from those expectations. Art that follows market expectations less closely tends to be more generic, same goes for how far it departs from reality, also subject matter and how the subject matter is done.

>>6620970
Well, he was a studier of a anatomy, your argument doesn't hold up.
He STUDIES anatomy, he cannot make up stuff, he is precise cause it is his field of study, you are putting free drawing against specific study that requires precision.

>>6621331
Face is too large and square to be an asian woman. It looks just like the black women I see every day

>>6621936
Oppression olympics needs to collect all the victim cards.

>>6621936
>Face is too large and square to be an asian
???

>>6621936
asians dont actually look like anime anon

>>6620241
because if you really looked at that scene in real life the lighting would be different.
>if you can see the dark areas clearly, the flames should be blown out
>if you can see the light areas clearly, the shadows should be murky and hard to make out
if you can see both then it looks fake and the lighting looks weak and inconsequential

>>6623075
So if it looked like a photo it wouldn't be generic?

>>6623076
the features should be exaggerated, not reduced like in the example picture

>>6623081
I think even if you did that it would still look generic. Someone with a little free time could pop open Photoshop to try ungeneric it.

>>6623086
yeah I think you're right lol not sure what makes it generic then,,,
I let my beg hands have a go at it anyway for 5 minutes

>>6620225
The armor says high fantasy but the face says Maria from Accounts Payable.

A piece has redeeming qualities if it's either aesthetically pleasant or original, ideally both. This one is neither.

>>6621574
Most people don't even have any soul. What's different from generic cashgrab mobile game loading screen made by some soulless bug or some computer?

>>6621885
Alright, I'll give this one to you for anatomy; how about painting? The Mona Lisa and the few others paintings we have from him are incredibly detailed and precise aren't they? Way more than OP's actually

>>6621773
Or is it just a bunch of males getting hard at the thought on strong women :wink: (I'm not into MtG & cie, like, at all, and I tend to pretend woke doesn't exist to make my life easier)

>>6621786
Didn't stopped anyone from owning a horse or hosting a ranch either.

>>6623106
I had a go too. Still generic, but less so I think. Now how far can this un-genericing go? The rest of the characters designs could change, but in the end a painting of DnD archetypes fighting a fire elemental/demon is going to appear generic unless you shift the style over to something completely different.

>>6623316
Yeah, the horse industry is booming, both my parents, my uncle and my grandpa are all in the horse business making millions a year

>>6623475
Crying on the internet to strangers. Amazing, yeah with this attitude no matter ai or not you ngmi.

>>6620241
It's because a 8 yo using AI can do this

>>6623294
>bunch of males getting hard at the thought on strong women :wink:
>ugh, men
ok, redditor

>>6623804
never used reddit. just amusing myself of grown up men willing to get buttfucked. some of them I'm sure like play it tough, but beg to get pegged at home

>>6623811
>grown up men willing to get buttfucked.
redditor mindset

>>6623894
> triggered
sorry for your butt. beware, that's where gayness enters the body, or so I hear

>>6620703
Or they have bills to pay and briefs to follow

>>6621157
Dawn Murin is the worst thing to ever happen to MtG art

>>6621604
>Yoshinari at home

>>6621528
It's more than 90% kek .Is there even one person that's actually amazing here to stop the 100%? Doubt.

>>6620703
ew

>>6621763
why? it falls apart the more you look at it, the background details are noisy and lack design that lead the eye to the subject, the eye flows to the building with the steeple which looks like complete nonsense, what i assume to be hair next to the ear is disgusting looking, the hair below the ear looks genuinely revolting and offputting with some of the worst shapes ive ever seen for hair, the background crowd is distracting and plainly not designed, look at those faces lmao and one dude is missing half his head, obviously all the buildings make no sense and her right arm is melting back into her...coat? i cant even tell what shes supposed to be wearing, it's just a bunch of random lines
complete waste of existence, ugly if you spend more than 200ms looking at it, no story, no meaning, no human to communicate with behind the piece, and not even something you could make 50 related pieces of for commercial purposes because of how inconsistent ai gens are, it just Exists and thats the end of it
it is like the perfect thing to see a blur of it zooming past while scrolling on a timeline on your phone and then you think 'oh that was kind of cute' and then never think about it ever again in your life

>>6624066
Your baseless autism driven critique can be applied to any art.

>>6621786
Horses are more redituable than ever

>>6623975
> triggered
Said the redditor who says "I'm not faggot, you just love getting assfucked!"

>>6624051
> be me
> render 5% of the rendering capatibilities of AI art on average
> makes 100000% more money per picture than AI prompters

efficiency son.

>>6624286
aifaggots are utterly retarded there's zero money in ai art. The money in image generation is in onlyfans.

>>6624200
> oh no, I've again been called a redditor, what a terrible day, how will I recover
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

grow up for crying out loud; 15yo

>>6624478
It's funny to watch them spam their nfts into the void with only two likes per post.

>>6625386
>Uses "u closet fag" unironically, tells others to grow up
Look up on a mirror, redditor.

>>6625398
>>6625386
You both redditors. Chill.

>>6625398
> unironically
You often meet people talking about gayness entering through the butt unironically?

> tells others to grow up
Well, yeah, there's an age at which one should stop playing with one's butt. That's called kindergarten (well, more or less), where you learn that poop is dirty, and shouldn't be touched, cause it's like, a major source of diseases (no kidding, ask your doctor).

Anon, if you intend to crush the consistency of my thoughts, you'll have to wake up early, get your fingers out of your ass, and work for a looooong time.

>>6625404
You often meet people talking about gayness entering through the butt that aren't casually chilling?

Alright, that was the last one for me, I'm bored.

>>6625467
Translation:

>>6621936
nigger you have never seen another human in your life. get out of your cave.

>>6621212
What would traditional African warrior attire look like though? Subsaharan = no attire, basically, right? No cool armor. North African blacks = anachronistic use of other peoples' attire after it has been rendered obsolete by firearms.
If you're going to put blacks in fantasy you're going to use someone elses' culture to decorate them or you're going to have to totally invent something uniquely Subsaharan African that looks cool and makes sense in the environment. Good luck.
Same for architecture. What does black African architecture look like? Straw huts and mud huts? Racist. Have to give them Egyptian, Arab, Persian, or European architecture. Or extrapolate a more SSAfrican-centric design sense from these.
But that would require effort. European fantasy is ready-made.
You could make it exclusively Subsaharan African fantasy where lack of armor and horses isn't a disadvantage and everyone is black and shut off from the rest of the world. People can be lightly clothed, use melee weapons, and fight crazy
monsters inspired by African masks. Could be cool. But this would require hiring creative people and taking a risk.
So just chuck some blacks in pseudo-Europe and give them plate armor. Europe was always full of blacks anyway. Bigot.

>>6620540
Blackie wearing European armor

>>6620703
This is painful to look at

>>6620225
Realism
Safe
Bland
Boring
Tasteless
Forgettable

>>6621528
I'd make the argument that 90% of this board is better than ai for several reasons. One being at least that much can draw whatever they want. Sure it may not be skilled by any means, but it will be in their style and their vision. I had this sort of epiphany when I saw some aitroon whine about spending hours on a lora and not getting anything close to what they want because they wanted 2 people in a certain position with just one specific character. Imagine wasting hours of your life on a google image search and coming up with nothing for your progress.

>>6625589
If the armor was at least decorated with some cool african patterns it'd be 500% more unique and interesting

>>6625589

muh quilted barding motherfuck

>>6621589
You can both agree that a depiction of an woman would be a lower form of art

>>6625868
That's because that AI bro is a moron. All he needed was to pose his characters in Blender or Daz, use that with control net to get the pose and then use inpainting (with a lora maybe) to get their exact faces. Or... you know, just photobash that shit. No drawing needed.

I would also say that us and the AI bros share the same fate somehow - neither of us can get EXACTLY what we want most of the time. I've also erased parts of a painting I spent hours on to repaint it for a better result - the only difference is that I get better with time, but the skill ceiling from AI can be reached pretty quickly.

>>6625589
just have them fight the ass raping bat creature that ooga boogas are scared off

>>6626688
Just suck a dick and admit you're a faggot, John.

>>6625868
>One being at least that much can draw whatever they want.
lol

>>6621277
>that webm
>being a cuck and bragging about it online

generic is when you use the first take of an idea and and go straight into depiction with zero thoughts about refining the idea further
its very easy to have an idea, anyone can do it. idea guys with zero skills have existed for a long time, as well as businessmen who get ideas about making it big just based on one idea or preconception about the industry but refusing to actually understand what's going on since that would take time and eventually losing all their money on an idiotic bet
non-generic art should come off as something the average rube can't fully materialize, but then you get people who think that all it takes is to have something unique thrown into the mix, only to feel like whatever they just put out has zero points of interest because in the end, they still didn't refine it beyond the idea despite trying to be a special snowflake.

for what its worth, a lot of things that are considered generic these days weren't generic when they were first made, but they inevitably inspire so many people through the unique qualities of the original works that those ideas get widespread enough that people's ideas will be thoughtlessly shaped by those qualities

>>6621277
Why did you save this on your computer?

>>6621763
I'm pretty sure it heavily copied some human artwork

>>6624286
>>6624478
>screeching about muh money
you are soulless

>>6625868
>using one example posted by an autist who cherry picks retarded examples

>>6620390
>>>/ic/thread/S1809783#p1810496
lmao oldfags really talked like that a few years ago. obscene fedora tipper energy. fun read.

>>6623417
Good job, anon.

I disagree with >>6623086 >>6623106 and you showed that >>6623081 is correct.

This artist didn't have anything interesting to say, all characters are rounded, chunky, stable.
Your change in design of the balrog thing helps by adding an unusual design, which creates new shapes.

Another thing the picture lacks is depth. Not even the basic, good ol' "foreground, middle ground and background" system was used, everyone looks sort of in the middle. The artist is good at rendering, not so much at drawing in perspective and decided to play safe.

Here I made the summoner bigger (foreground), added some perspective to the chick knight (just deformed a corner of a selection box, he lost the original shape but even that helps with this uninteresting picture.

Then I manually changed the shape of the archer, making his job more relevant to the composition because WHY WOULDN'T YOU USE THE LORE TO ENRICH THE DRAWING?

The skeleton bird would also greatly benefit from looking less solid and more elemental, with some organic splashes of matter to make it interesting instead of a Scooby-doo sliding ghost.

Keep adding these changes, thinking about interesting shapes more than efficient shapes and you can do something interesting.

>>6631102
The only reason to use ai is hustling.

>>6620703
The fact that such a piece could inspire a rant like this makes me believe this isn't generic. It just sets off a certain mindset trigger flags in some of the posters here head, like yours. When I think of generic I think airbrushed blonde saber-clone looking anime bitch.

>>6632405
We haven't seen that look in high budget Western art since the first Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland movie.
We see gaudy fat Quaanz every year.

>>6620225
Generic:
>1 Point Perspective
>Boring/Safe color choice
>Boring story/setting
>Generic "life-like" style

An interesting piece of art, does the full 180.

>>6635360
I'll expand on my idea of a generic style and say that over blended styles like pic rel bore the utter shit out of me.

>>6635366
These are really boring indeed.

It kills me because my commissions are 99% this and is fucking burning me out.

>>6624066
Based artist
>>6624074
Dumb nigger

>>6635360
sauce on the topleft, schnuckems?

>>6635758
not 6635360 anon here, but it's called "Street Cafe in Rain" and it was painted by Zhang Li alias Benjamin

>>6636139
>Zhang Li alias Benjamin
why are chinks so cringe
just use your chinky ass name instead of going by some western name

>>6636161
it's dumb, but at least isn't as mass produced as western artists with animu names

>>6635360
Source for 6?
I don't usually like anime art but the rendering and colours are phenomenal

>>6636195
i knew someone was going to ask for that one lmao https://alzzzimi.artstation.com/projects/Xgnykl

>>6620225
"Generic" art comes from the mindest that by following a formula the end result will be good. It's how people like >>6635360 think.
"As long as you use garish colors and an outlandish setting it's not generic".

But different projects have different goals and what's beneficial for one idea isn't always good for another. Creativity comes from how you achieve the result you intended with your work. The way you use the tools at your disposal to solve problems.

Bump

>>6636201
>artstation
I knew it looked like AI

>>6621604
What’s the AI for this and what prompt? Thanks in advance

>>6640571
pls ma'am do not redeem
NO STUPID BENCHOD
DO NOT FUCKING REDEEM CARD

>>6640581
How did you know I was Indian lmfao

>>6640571
The prompt can't be shared because it took a lot of work and effort to get it right

if it looks like something that's been seen before multiple times it will look more generic, with each iteration only amplifying this effect.
it's the same reason why ai slop can be spotted from a mile away now, even without taking into account the slop itself being an amalgamation of already created work.

>>6620251
fucking hate the thought of it but this looks like hotglossed from like 150 years ago.