/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6600099
Unironically

>>6600099
Think I'd just kill myself if I drew anything like either of these

But I thought you're supposed to justdraw...

>>6600100
I don't see a problem with either of those

>>6600171
Prove that the person in OP drew for those 9 years.

>>6600175
Bro AOT has some, if not THE shittiest professionally published art in a popular manga and the author legit didn't study neither proportions or form in 12 fucking years.

>>6600187
and yet 99.9% of /ic/ can't make this

>>6600177
You really think they didn't? Somebody who would draw that poorly, two drawings 9 years apart, and then share both and show off the progress? I guarantee you whoever made those has thousands of art submissions, and probably even more that we're never psoted.

>>6600231
>You really think they didn't?
yes, absolutely. I'd be willing to bet my entire lifes savings and everything I own that this person has not consistently "just drawn" for 9 years.

>>6600099
Literally me

>>6600222
99.9% of /ic/ aren’t professional, so what’s your point?

>>6600475
You are a liar, I always did and my drawings were all identical, my IQ is 84 btw, started about 2007 and ended June 2022.

>>6600502
why are you talking as if the shitty retard in the op is you?

>>6600567
because its him kek

>>6600572
source: trust me bro

>>6600099
I've got a small folder of these.

>>6600600
please post the entire folder

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>>6600659
this has to be in reverse, what kind of mongoloid goes from handdrawn to circle tool

>>6600662

>>6600664
that's it

>>6600600
>>6600647
These are fake, right? They seem made for meme purpose. I refuse to believe these are genuine.

>>6600662
Unironically the first one is much better

>>6600663
>what kind of mongoloid goes from handdrawn to circle tool
"Damn art is hard, but the faggots at CN/Nick get away with circle and line tool, so I can probably make it with them"
It's the AI cope equivalent of 10-15 years ago. Path of least resistance + delusional cope.

>>6600697
Honestly that's good progress for just one year.

>>6600659
i've seen this one before, this artist is actually fairly successful with merch sales which is more than anyone here can say for themselves
>>6600697
this one is significantly better than anything else that's been posted

>>6600659
I like imas so i'm biased, but I think it's cute

>>6600099
Saw this on DeviantArt today

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>>6600222
Neither did him, that's probably the work of an assistant

>>6600600
>he totally drew every single day for 15 years trust me
>I'm him

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>>6600658
i think a lot of artists who feel like theyre already good enough are scared of improving further, theyre scared of pushing it and failing, so they simply attempt to make their art cleaner, more held back, the poses and tone are a lot less intense because the artist is scared, ironically, theyre scared of making something worse because they percieve their artistic ability as their output, as opposed to a skill they hone
theres always somewhere to improve, something to strive for, but that takes breaking your bones for them to heal stronger, metaphorically speaking, and the artist isnt willing to do that because theyre so comfortable where they are

>>6600654

I dont think this one is bad, but the one in the left looks even better, right? Maybe they are just adapting to the digital medium.

>>6600665

Im glad they are still in a happy relationship!

>>6600690

Ah, I actually think they did good.

>>6600699

They are starting to understand how light works.

>>6600662
This one makes me really fucking sad, i dont want to end like this bros.

These give me a primal level of fear. As if Death himself came to me and started listing my sins before sending me off to hell.
Unironically made me hyperventilate.

>>6600995
Just draw :^)

>>6600692
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>>6600654
I don't get it
These are ok? Not great but looks like different style change. For the course of 1-2 years it's "meh"

>>6601002
they're not too bad technically but they lose a lot of appeal. These artists had a solid art style but got influenced by something else and it doesn't really work with their flow

>>6601002
I didn't just post stuff that was crap, there's nothing wrong with appreciating some nerds getting better at their arts

>>6600971
too bad the artist literally traced the old work tho

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>>6601296
Yikes

>>6601296
>account has endless completed images
Justdrawsisters, how do we explain this one?

behold: /ic/'s very own final boss

>>6601334
>j-just draw

>>6601340
that's a lot more than "just draw", and I thought it looked like he made a lot of progress in just 5 years. That's about 1/3 of how much I drawn in about the same period of time.

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>>6600692
overall better but aspects are wrose, see blood on the left compared to the right.
>>6600690
100% an improvement
>>6600664
an improvement but it looses style and appeal.
>>6600662
a complete downgrade, the butterflies, given how much better they are are likely lifted from somewhere else, the texture on the dress is just a flat overlay with no attempt to form to curves, it went from interesting somwhat lilith femal demo art to generic ugly.
>>6600659
better overall, except for the hands, its shocking how lazy they are and completely ruins the rest of the piece
>>6600658
they actually new how to light on the left, and forgot how to do it on the right, due to the single light source, it would accentuate curves of skin, the left does it, the right does not, along with the hand just not being lit correctly given the source.
POTENTIALLY they got better at coloring, but I cant tell for sure in this image due to their hard regression on lighting.
>>6600654
they went from really well done fantasy, to look at my fan art of this game I play abortion. this is not a transition to digital fuck up, this is a regression in style that they cant see.
>>6600655
not linked but lets add this one because it was part of the chain, they went from painting to drawing, completely fucking up coloring, lighting, and aesthetic appeal. given the hand on the right character, they probably got better at proportions but at a heavy HEAVY cost.
>>6600660
part of the chain, more or less a wash, no real improvement ot regression.
>>6600661
part of the chain, more or less different styles of the same image. posible regression

>>6601428
In his studies? Sure, some of those painting studies look great, based on thumbnails. His imagination drawings, however, look unchanged beyond better rendering.

>>6601334
I remember the guy. The problem with him was that he barely ever stepped out of the comfort zone of doing endless studies, almost all of those are either exercises or assignments from one Russian online school or his own studies after falling for the "draw 1k cubes before anything else" meme. His life drawing skills obviously improved but he barely ever tried doing finished work from imagination like he supposedly wanted to. I'm not sure that the guy ever discovered why he wanted to do art in the first place.

>>6601334
I don't see any anatomy studies

>>6600099
If I'm still at a low /beg/ level after 9 fucking years, I'd kill myself at that point.

>>6601451
Here's what I'm sure happens with a lot of people
>I wanna draw fun stuff from my head!
>OK, I've drawn stuff from my imagination, but it looks crappy... guess I need to study art
>do studies
>try to draw from imagination again
>oh no this piece I'm starting looks just as bad, guess I need more studies
>studies studies studies
>let me try drawing this idea from imag... nah I need to study these things before I can draw that idea well
>more studies
>more studies
>let me make sure I draw from imagination now... alright that still looks like the same garbage
>more studies over and over and over
>...I don't even have clear ideas of what to draw from imagination, and even if I did they'd look like shit because even with all my studies they looked like shit... I have no clue what the fuck to do...
>guess I just need to do more studies

>>6601334
Whatever happened to this anon?

>>6601474
So, what's the solution, draw more from imagination only? That's what most of the deviantart fags posted in this thread did for 10 years and barely budged.

>>6601486
Afaik he quit and just does programming these days

>>6601486
I follow him on twitter, he draws a few sketches of nature or architecture once every few month. He gave up on becoming professional artist and works as a coder.

>>6601496
Draw the shit you wanna draw, and critically analyze it. What sucks, and why? Then study with purpose. (dedicated practice time is optional, actually applying your new knowledge into pieces and finishing them is not)

Draw-a-Box guy really laid out explicitly in lesson 0 that if more than 50% of your drawing time is practice and study, you need to stop.
But people still fall into the grinding trap and never actually crystalize anything they learn into the art they supposedly wanted to make.
It's important to gain new knowledge, but that knowledge is worthless if you don't use it.
See: all that math shit you learned in school and forgot about because you never used it

JUST DRAW*

*1,000 CUBES IS NOT DRAWING

>>6601317
>>6601296
I assume the earlier works were traced or heavily referenced and they’re moving away from it now without wanting to admit they traced

I have a similar phase but I just nuked my old accounts

>>6601513
>Draw-a-Box guy
He's some rando pajeet who can't draw for shit. Take his word with a grain of salt

>>6601580
I mention him because he's the go-to "grindlord" archetype, which is a little funny given that he explicitly warns against becoming an actual grindlord instead of drawing.

You should also pyw if you're gonna say he can't draw for shit.

>>6600099
Here's more

>>6601609
sovl (ToT)

>>6601609
person had fun making it, doesn't look that bad compared to other stuff in this thread

>>6601296
>12,295 likes
Social media is 100% pure luck, ain't it?

>>6600665
This one is strange because you can see that the weather gets progressively worse with every picture.

>>6601635
The first picture also shows them touching with both hands. The second shows them touching with only one hand. The third shows the man forcefully grabbing the hand of the woman.
The pictures are a cope that everything is fine but their relationship gets progressively worse.

>>6601640
2deep4me

>>6601635
The real clue is the cursive written as print with disconnected letters
it's suggesting some kind of facade

>>6601618
I assume half of those are hate following and the other half are people who believe you should draw for the sake of improvement

>>6601665
*Shouldn't

>>6601296
Oh, I actually know her. Basically she lost her will to draw completely after getting shat on for her no effort "redraws" on insta. She really can't draw anything beyond the 2020 style anymore.

A lot of these seem more like a lack of effort and apathy. People only seem to realize it gets harder and harder the higher u climb the drawing mountain just like in real life mountain climbing.

>>6601296
bruh they really must be putting something in the water I swear 95% of these redraws are worse.

>>6601609
Honestly, that left one is fucking goals, how do I color/shade like that?

>>6601496
Beats me. Some people seem to be able to easily integrate studies into their imaginative work, some people seem to have the two improve indepently but separately, some people seem to only have their studies improve while their imagination works stagnate entirely, and some people who just draw from their imagination improve presumably by unconsciously integrating things they simply look at into their own work. I'm somebody who quickly got decent at both studies and imagination works, but both simply stagnated and practice at either just feels like I'm just floundering at the same skill level with occasional regressions.

>>6601614
Looks like the artist learned to draw entirely by copying manga and animu, eventually realized they didn't have the fundamental knowledge, so they started studying realism, but as a result has forgotten how to draw like they used to, with their realism knowledge encroaching far too much into their stylized work as opposed to bolstering it.
Is there much suggestion on how to avoid this? A lot of instruction seems to say "you need to be able to draw this in order to draw this," but never really go into bridging the gap between drawing naked people from models and appealing cartoons.

>>6601334
It's funny because his background work mogs 99% of /ic/.

>>6602239
I think it's just understanding that anime is a stylization of reality and not to make things too realistic on purpose or else it will look fucked.

>>6602259
I know I struggle with that, or rather how to make realism studies improve/change my stylized work without things looking fucked as a result.

>>6602249
it's funny because 99% ic do not draw background

>>6602265
Shut up.. I made a silly little pattern to make my background rectangle more cooler. I don't more than that.
I DON'T

>>6600222
This looks... really bad...

>>6600222
A villain propelled by popcorn?

>>6602226
1. look up rim light and use funky colours when you draw it
2. that's it
In fact here you don't even need to look it up. That person is really stretching the logic in that picture and that's fine for a little cartoon do what you want
https://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2007/11/studio-lighting-part-iii-edge-lighting.html

>>6602295
100million+ sold

>>6600654
sauce on this one?
i actually like it

>>6600651
actual de-provement this has to be edited

>>6600651
did they have a stroke sometime after 2008? the first row doesn't look like copies

>>6600651
I like how it immediately all goes to shit the instant digital art gets involved.

>>6600100
So he nows has an assistant that shades his thing? wow

>>6600651
>just keep drawing bro, you can only get better!

What's baffling is that these people are not self aware about how they either regressed or not improved at all yet boastfully create a before and after image as if to imply there has been improvement.

>>6602391
Or maybe they're disappointed and just put it out there to show it as it is.

>>6600894
it's the first volume, he definitely drew this himself. nice meme regurgitation btw

>>6601334
how can i avoid wasting my time just to end up like this guy?
i would honestly kill myself if if i was high beg after 5 years.

>>6602650
Some people just don't improve very quickly or struggle to incorporate studies into their original works.

>>6601334
>how can i avoid wasting my time just to end up like this guy?

You can't. Some people are born with a high talent, creativity and a natural sense of appeal, some ain't.

>>6600664
i had this dude's how to draw manga book

we will never improve, art is a talent that is genetical

i will improve
after this post i will continue drawing

>>6601334
Ladies and Gentlemen, the permabeg!

>>6601296
Their style got more soulful.

>>6601334
I don't get it. Some of those drawings are bad, but a plenty of them are decent. Is he considered a /beg/ because of his inconsistency? Is it because he's not good at drawing from his imagination?

>>6602866
I don't get it either. That looks like average steady improvement to me. The two imagination pictures at the bottom aren't very good (especially the right one) but it's surely better than most people here can do.
They're probably exaggerating with the "drawing 1.5 hours every day" or they're just a slow learner, but they have improved decently and can improve further.

>>6601334
damn, he is literally me

>>6602313
>100 million plus people bought THIS after seeing the anime
Why are you so obsessed with consooming? you're like a demon slayer tranny

>>6601296
It's not bad actually. Higher effort ≠ good and the 2020 pic is less generic than the 2014 one.

>>6602866
>Is it because he's not good at drawing from his imagination
Mostly, yes. It's the "you spend all these hours doing studies, filling page after page, and the thing you presumably want to draw remains almost unchanged" aspect that stands out the most.

>>6601513
this is actually really helpful thanks anon

>>6603101
>obsessed
>consooming
>ds
>tranny
Do u live ur whole life on 4chan? The only purpose art serves in a post industrial society is consumption.

>>6600662
>https://tineye.com/search/7fc0de42ac0b94f8ea9be5aa7ed12c101f299364?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
>first result
Looks like it's fucking real. And they deactivated their account. https://moemai.deviantart.com
How horrifying.

I wish I could figure out why some aspiring artists can’t improve. It’s either a psychological mechanism related to a specific type of learning, or it’s a deficiency in motor-perception-planning in the brain. It’s more complicated than IQ. I know some real midwits who have forged a style and a career, and I know some people who are too smart for the rut they ended up in. One of my friends from my college days put in more time than anyone I’ve ever know, and his efforts have always been like a car without tires. And I know a guy who went to art school only because of a girl, no prior experience, and just decided to paint excellent portraits.
The pics in this thread make me feel despair. Like if I never improved for all my work I’d be suicidal.

>>6600870
>>6600872

>>6601430
Are you blind?
I really want to know, please pick up some glasess. Check your prescription if you have to.

>>6600099
not really a before/after but this thread reminded me of this, when asg came around and they were heralding the age of tracing

>>6603712
I'm smart by most standards, effortlessly making good grades in basically every subject all the way through grad school, but drawing was always the one thing which eluded me. I've reached a point where I'm decent enough at it, but I will say I'm so used to doing well at shit that it makes it hard to break out of my comfort zone due to a fear of producing shit which doesn't meet my standards. I also hyper fixate on whatever I'm working on, constantly adjusting, checking, redrawing, starting over, etc because I can't just say "that's good enough" and move on. It invariably stiffens my work, but my brain refuses to let me accept the flaws in favor of just going with the flow and moving on to the next piece.

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>>6603668
Found it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110901170215/http://moemai.deviantart.com/gallery/
>I've always liked this!! Drawing again what I totaly failed drawing before XD ( problem is, I want to draw it again because I see loads of mistakes there ;__; )
Thankfully, it looks like she got better at both digital and traditional art before deactivating her deviantart. Actually some fairly decent stuff here mixed in with some mediocre digishit and globohomo.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220526164330/https://www.deviantart.com/moemai
https://www.moemai.fr/tagged/illustration

>>6602416
You didn't write this post either, you left it to your assistant to write it for you.

>>6602656
Thats because their "studies" are hours or days long copies. Which is an entirely different mental job than making quick, appealing cartoons. By the time you finish rendering a knee on a long ass painting, you havent retained shit overall. Not to mention people often try to make studies look good because they are attention hungry idiots.

>>6601502
>>6601505
OH MY LORD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Fuck, whats his twitter?

>>6603971
what one are you complaining about

>>6600659
The essence of soul/soulless

>>6603980
Cracks me up every time

>>6604230
>>6601430
You must be either trolling or an actually mentally retarded permabeg with zero aesthetic sense or discernment. May god have mercy on your soul.

>>6604269
again, what one you complaining about

>>6604273
Well, I don't know who that other guy, but most of them are noticeable downgrades, the most egregious being>>6600659

I just redrew an old piece and I wanted to post the comparison on /ic/. Could someone point me to the right thread? Or should I do it in this one?

>>6600695

>>6600695

>>6605210
post it here

>>6605287

>>6605293
you've gotten better!

>>6605310
Thank you!!

>>6604167
I agree with this. If everu drawing is a long, labored exercise in perfect copying, you never really get comfortable with drawing, because you really aren't drawing a lot. Those types of studies have a place in terms of skill development, but I personally find I'm much better served making sketch copies of 30 illustrations/manga panels/screencaps/photos in a day with maybe 60% accuracy than I am slaving away on just one or two to achieve 90% accuracy.

Behold the power of Wacom!

>>6600647
He drew it again!

>>6605830
Is he autistic? Is everyone who draws in this late 80s/early 90s cartoon style autistic?

>>6605974
>deviant TARTlet
>autistic

no waaaaaaaaaay~

>>6600668
Is it really that hard to believe? Go on sites like DA and you'll see a fuckton of artists who have been at beg/prebeg level for years.

>>6606985
They have to be mentally disabled then

>>6600651
Down syndrome neytiri ass nigga

>>6600099
Seeing shit like this gives me such intense feelings of dread

>>6600659
This is legitimately upsetting

>>6600697
nigga that's adorable

>>6601296
>i feel like my style got worse
you are correct ma'am

>>6607662
that goes without saying on DeviantArt

>>6601296
I like how the character slowly loses the smile as the years whent on.

>>6605830
For what it's worth, yeah, the drawing on the right is markedly better than the one on the left.

>>6601296
I think the real fatal flaw here is treating this as artistic progress, this single "my style" evolving over time, rather than just the development of multiple styles that can be switched between. It's totally fine to favor a more simple style over some more complex previous work, but for some reason certain artists think they can only have one way or drawing and if they change it's changed that way forever now. You would think once you get as good as this is you would understand this. It really boggles the mind to try and understand this perspective on things or how anybody could have it.

>>6601496
>>6602235
The real answer is that you have to do studies and learn fundamentals, but what is supposed to happen is that you start to internalize what you have learned so it just naturally becomes part of your work. But what some people manage to do is this weird thing where they can do a study, they can analize it, but they can't learn from it past actively thinking about it. Like you can do muscle studies or bone studies, and it does take time to learn, but after a point you shouldn't have to draw all the mucles or bones one by one to have a drawing with proper anatomy. What you learn from anatomy should just appear in your other work. It's a back and forth but for some people it just never happens.

>>6605830
This is like the exact opposite of the first one I commented on in this reply. Somehow this guy has made zero progress in either direction, but it talking about his work like some big change has taken place. What is weird about this one to me is that progress in this case doesn't even make sense. The drawings are both fine. The second one is slightly better, but for the most part this should just be considered a contained style, not anything that speaks to the skills of the artist. Nobody looks at season 3 vs season 23 of family guy and goes "wow look at how seth mcfarland's skills have improved"

>>6600692
Artist name?

>>6600663
You're thinking about improvement in terms of "more difficult to make", but even though the one on the right was easier, the actual piece itself is much cleaner and more consistent. Like yes the hands took no effort now, but they are at least meant to be. Also the shoulders actually exist now, and the line under the chin which tells you it's a chin and not a neck.

If the rest of the drawing were still free hand, and in the same way as the original, then you'd be right. But, because everything in the original was updated with very tooled lines, the hands are stylistically appropriate. No?

>>6600698
Fucking lardfags

>>6601496
Unironically it's better to draw from imagination and fail but have a complete drawing than it is to always draw sketches and never get anything done.

>>6600647
> he draws this every year
> each time sonic gets a little closer
Some people say that one of these days, he will finally escape. And on that day, the world will come to an end.

>>6600660
>Trigun
>Trigun Stampede

>>6600653
This one's so-so, 2019's eyes made it weird but overall it looks like there's some improvements

>>6600664
Literally soul > soulless
Went from a cool and unique style with a lot of personality to sterile crap with digital effects out the wazoo.

>>6600665
>>6601635
My favorite part is how the fairies get progressively smaller as time goes by

>>6607954
If >>6601991 isn't bullshitting it's kind of sad to think about

>>6602650
>would honestly kill myself if if i was high beg after 5 years
h-haha yeah!

>>6601435
it took me a long time to bridge what I've learned from my studies into my own works from imaginations, but I am contently drawing own stuff while I was doing my studies. One of the issue I have with this attitude of "I wanted to perfect my craft before start my own work" really puts people around here behind on certain developments. You should have always be driven by your personal ambitions around your own things and integrate your knowledge into it. Although even after all this time people still only consider me to be "high beg" at best so what do I know. lol

>>6601612
>sovl=fucked up drawing
muh soul

>>6600647
immediately thought of this

>>6600647
>>6611376
Fucking kek

>>6608730
Muh style has killed a lot of beginners. I have no idea why they are so obsessed with it.

>>6611774
>i have no idea why someone who wants to draw but has no idea where to start clings on to any sense of identity in the beginning

>>6611846
If you want to become a chief you need to learn how to cook basic dishes first. Otherwise you'll end up with a horrible product.

>>6600664
who is this? and how are they in 2023?

>>6612055
nvm, easy to find.

>>6612059
Damn he really chose an easy way.

>>6600099
dude should just switch to AI proompting

>>6611856
>literally got worse after almost 2 decades

>>6612067
wdym worse?
he added a videogame screenshot!

>>6612053
Sorry sweaty but quality is subjective.

>>6601334
Hard work without talent is exercise in futility.

>>6611856
chest and shoulders are fucked in 2006
2023 has good enough anatomy to make fapable stuff
consistent detail, better colors, cleaner lines
its a decent improvement, maybe not deserving of 17 years, but a decent improvement

>>6600698
Underrated, excellent understanding of fat distribution over a comparatively short time, best of luck to them

>>6601334
>Drawing from imagination are completely different from what he studied for 10 years
Why did he learn something he didn't want to even draw for 10 years, this combination of stubbornness and stupidity is the epitome of /ic/

>>6600665
Well, at they figured out where the sole of the boys sandal is supposed to go by the last one.

>>6613149
>1.5 hours a day
>hard work

>>6613393
If you also have a job it might be hard to combine it with art.
If you're just a neet yea no excuses.

>>6605345
>If every drawing is a long, labored exercise in perfect copying, you never really get comfortable with drawing, because you really aren't drawing a lot.
How do I break away from this? Basically every drawing I have ever done, even back when I was a kid, has been an agonizingly slow and meticulous copy. That's what drawing has always been for me, and I struggle to see any other way it could be done. I don't draw much because I have to set aside several hours of time to make even a really quick sketch of a simple subject. The resources I've gone through have largely just reinforced my pre-existing view and process rather than helping me branch out into things like quick, simple doodles, which is unfortunate as I'm actually much more interested in making those than I am in accurate copies.

It seems like there must be something in between going all-in on accuracy or abandoning it entirely and mindlessly scribbling, but for some reason I've had a hard time finding it. Careful measurements and intense analysis are my entire process, take that away and I have nothing left.

>>6600995
They gave me some sort of relief, I stopped drawing for some years and my skills didn't get much better. It's quite comforting seeing that there are people who are much worse than me, and people who are just like me.

>>6610260
it's still absolutely laughable progress in 6 years.

>>6600659
both are qt but left is more sovlful

>>6600697
>1 year
dude mastered his metalearning

>>6600872
say what you will but this is the only guy in the thread who actually improved (barely, but still)

>>6602295
yeah, like fuck this is the one time im gonna say watch the anime instead of reading the manga
The Face of the titan looks pretty good but otherwise I dont like it

>>6600654
sad as fuck, switching to digital absolutely killed it

>>6600697
That was pretty much my first year or two of improvement, going from "kid drawing" to "that looks good," but after that things have been pretty stagnant for a decade, despite my best efforts. Observational drawing improved when I pursued that, even went to life drawing courses and did better than pretty much everybody else in my two sessions, but my passion drawings (cartoons) didn't really change as a result.
Wish I could somehow make my brain combine the things so that observational studies would make my stylized art improve, but for some reason I seem incapable, and now that I'm well into my 30s, I'm probably just stuck.

>>6600187
Nigga, they call it manga

This thread is an example as to why we should give critiques unwarranted to perma begs. These guys legit don't improve with a decade of drawing, I am convinced they might be low IQ just because there's no way someone doesn't even get some fundies intuitively like proportions or color theory

>>6615823
This sounds more like an argument not to give the critiques. Or are you encouraging shouting into the void?

>>6610261
this
The face of the first one literally gave me all I needed to know about the character, it was that face of "Roger that" and that thumbs up that fucking makes his whole chill but serious soldier thing going even stronger.
Then to the right there is a fucking drawing that is bland, boring and gives no information on the character ABSOLUTE ZERO.

>>6613379
kek

>>6616084
When I was a teenager on DeviantArt I think I actually blocked this autistic bitch because she was super toxic to others but couldn’t handle it when anyone said anything that wasn’t praise about her permabeg art.

>>6600222
i drew cities like that in middle school

>>6616181
now go make a multi-million dollar ip

>>6614264
My wife Sanae...

>>6616181
Could I see an example? Or is this part of the LARP?

>>6610632
>Although even after all this time people still only consider me to be "high beg" at best so what do I know. lol
Anon you probably shouldn't interact with this board beyond resource and info gathering, the perception of anons on here are fucked. I guarantee you if any pro artist posted on here without getting recognized they'd be rated beg unless they posted coom. /ic/ aren't called crabs for nothing.

>>6600654
literally soul vs soulless

>>6616375
you lot keep posting this yet still keep coming here.
just accept that there is simply, in literally no other forms of dimensions in all of existence, that equals this place.
this thread is proof enough of this assertion, and a live thread at the moment disproves your misguided last sentence.

>>6613184
What are you on about, 2006 has much more appeal, 2023's colors are all washed out.

>>6615823
What I don't get is how any of the /beg/ examples in this thread can think they are good while having shittons of professional quality art floating around on the internet to compare themselves to. At this point I think it isn't so much about IQ as it is about ego.

>>6614264
Actually pretty nice.

>>6613454
Spend some time, say every day for a month, drawing from imagination, no references, no copying, it will probably suck. This is to break your habit.
Then, after that time, draw again from imagination, but this time use references, use references for everything, but don't copy, just take bits from it. And do that for a while.

When drawing from imagination, it may help to break things down into simple shapes first, to aid in perspective.

>>6616599
for 3 months of progress maybe but for 12 years?
no

All RELIGIONS Are Evil.

Generation Alpha is screwed, if they don't become conservatives. To clarify, to be a conservative, you don't need religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avVTNV6-tnw

>>6616724
please do not spam

>>6600099
>>6600653
>>6600659
>>6600662
>>6600692
And etc.
This thread must be the ultimate red-pill on why most people should just go for AI art.
How the hell do you draw for 10 years and improve absolutely nothing, or even get worse at it?!

>>6611856
>720$ a month
how much are you making?

>>6617592
>How the hell do you draw for 10 years and improve absolutely nothing, or even get worse at it?!
Easy ! ego + low IQ = permabeg

>>6600099

>>6600222
99% of /ic/ probably can't do this either.

>>6600651
>he got progressively worse
How????

>>6600651
Probably went from tracing to actually attempting to draw
Many such a case

>>6600651
that constructed kirby speaks to my soul

>>6601513
>if more than 50% of your drawing time is practice and study, you need to stop
That sounds retarded ngl.
What do I spend half an hour looking at a face I drew analysing? How to even notice mistakes if I don't know how it ought to look?

>>6618607
What?
Are you asking if you should spend half your time staring at your own artwork? Do you need a legal definitions page and a stopwatch to understand why you shouldn't spend 4 hours a day just drawing boxes and quickposes?

>>6618607
holy kekk!! zoomers are truly beyond salvation

>>6601296
this is the artistic equivalent of letting yourself go fully. ever stagnant, never improving. after looking at her insta i feel like she's a cautionary tale for all artists

>>6601334
i mean, his stylized drawings arent very good but his still lifes, portraits and drawings of real life locations arent half bad

>>6618730
>so he's neither good nor bad
That's worse place u can be at.

>>6612059
looks borderline A.I.

>>6620943
goddamit, "AI" is gonna become the new meaningless term that people use in ways they dont understand, isnt it?

>>6621859
GPT post

>>6621859
aw hell, this is the next MLP

>>6600665
I just realized, I think that's Ruby Gloom fanart.

>>6623276
this is what dementia looks like

>>6623284
Do you know who else has dementia?

>>6623293
who?

>>6623394
joe does

>>6623398
slow joe crow does

>>6623472
what nintendon't

>>6600100
I also tend to draw male faces with the proportions of the right image. I don't know why.

what do you think

>>6616169
She's been gone for a while, but holy shit is this funny

>>6616084
>the eyes are too big!
this is resurfacing some awful memories of deviant art critiques saying not to draw anime. man fuck off i draw what i like

>>6624833
this is your brain on anime

>>6624644
This is just genuine improvement. Maybe it’s sad that it’s three years worth and they don’t have the style down but maybe they don’t draw that often? The body has much better proportions.

>>6625037
Well I was just trying to redraw it as a cartoon in general, not really going for the R&M style. Also bear in mind left probably took me like an hour back then and right 30 mins tops yesterday

>>6600222
>portuguese text
>shitskin opinion
És brasileiro ou mouro?

>>6601496
Read "The Metaphysical Principles of the Infinitesimal Calculus" and "Traditional Forms and Cosmic Cycles". That's pretty much all you need to truly understand anatomy/proportions.

>>6601513
>Want to draw certain characters
>Decide to draw real life humans first
>Really like drawing humans
>Want to get better at drawing humans
>Keep studying humans
>Very rarely draw what I "want"
So, I'm kinda in-between a rock and a hard place. I want to gitgud at real life drawing, but I also want to draw fantasy stuff.
Integrating isn't really an option considering how heavily stylized the subjects I want to draw are.
So wut nao?

>>6625999
>>6625999
>Integrating isn't really an option considering how heavily stylized the subjects I want to draw are.
bullshit.

>>6626003
What I want to draw is
>Furry
>Covered in clothes
>Stylized to shit and back
What I can currently draw is
>Barely anatomically accurate faceless human bodies
I just don't really see a way to overlap them. Unless I decide to use basic construction for the body and wing it from there. I mean, I haven't even attempted at drawing a human face yet, how exactly am I going to achieve drawing a face from nothing that I am personally happy with?

>>6626041
You need to get a grip on the basics first, it's like pretending to write when you don't know yet how to read.

>>6600099
what exactly is the problem? There's no saying how often they draw, and the picture itself is something they care a lot about. Its a picture of presumably real people or their own characters, not some mindless fanart made in a desperate attempt to gain clout. They drew it with the absolute best of their abilities, a piece of their heart is in it. What exactly am I supposed to make fun of?

to any /beg/s in this thread laughing at the perceived misery of these artists. Its all in your head. You're thinking "I'm so glad that's not me! I'd be so embarrassed if I drew that" but they aren't embarrassed. They're proud. Are you proud of YOUR drawings?

>>6614264
the paper cut out look is kinda cute actually
would need to see more of their work

>>6600222
and yet 99.9% of /ic/ can't make this

>>6604167
I personally spend most of my studying process just looking at it and imagining what I would have to do to draw it. That way I'm 100% focused on analyzing the method and not the work I'm doing. Then afterwards I take the usual steps of breaking it down, trying to recreate it, and finally applying what I wanted to gain from the study to an original piece.

>>6613454
I recommend if you don't already, is drawing some abstract pieces. All visual art can be defined as abstraction or representation and what It seems to me is that your entire methodology revolves around representation. Of course I understand some people may not have a taste or interest for pure abstractions, but there are plenty of other sub genres and stylings that you could get into. I'm personally a big fan of Surrealism and Futurism. Anyways, the trick to abstraction is to forego accurately representing the subject, meaning you're forced to use your imagination. Here are some exercises/methods you can do:
a) Limitation. It seems antithetical to art, but it's actually the most rewarding to set some level of limitation; you can't think outside of the box, when the box has no limit. Limited palletes, styles of shading, can you draw ____ with only boxes. Even time limits can help, since it'll force you to keep things simple.
b) Transformation. Take your normal process, but add/change/warp something to it that isn't apart of the reference. Something as simple as replacing the head with an animal, or going all out and drawing something that isn't there. Much like trying to see things in passing clouds.
c) Trolling. Seriously though. Making a mockery of something is one of the more natural creative process of the human experience, so translating that to the visual field should help exercise your atrophied imagination. Drawing macho faces over cute animals, massive horse cocks on anime girls, whatever floats your boat.

>>6600222
>>6600494
>>6618342
>>6626678
it's because they don't draw
and even if they do, they don't draw for
a) themselves
b) fun
c) the sake of art itself

Just look at this blithering retard >>6603589
literally only sees art as a product and uses a logical fallacy >>6602295 as a mark of quality.

>>6626752
wrong reply quote
>this logical fallacy >>6602313

>>6614089
Fuck off, crab

>>6604101
Wait, let me get my assistant to reply to this after I've creampied in her

>>6601505
What's his twitter? I'm also trying out luck with coding after failing miserably to become an artist, but I feel like I'm also going to fail at this.

>>6616084
unironically 2012 has the best color pallete, 2015 has the best rendering, just needs to know where the clavicle is in relation to the breast and it'd be great.

>>6626898
Idk Anon, I'm sure your loli drawings will strike it big with rich pedophiles

>>6626898
uuoooh, nice loli practice anon but a few things ticked me off a little, she looked too old
younger people especially in the loli age range don't have the most defined muscles but rather smooth curves, and have a more rectangular and even torso, but still nice loli anon

>>6626898
>>6627873

U-uoh...

>>6626678
retard

What goes on in the on-the-spectrum brain that prevents them from improving/slowly deteriorating like a dementia patient? Even the high-functioning self aware ones can't escape this horrific fate.

>>6627873
I can smell the 3 terabytes of reference material from here

>>6629318
Arrogance. Laziness. Stupidity maybe.

>>6626802
cope

>>6627873
>younger people especially in the loli age

>>6629318
>brain is hardwired into certain behaviors instead of an open minded blank state
I think that's why

>>6631843
Cope about what?
If I see someone improve that much in only one year, and see what's possible, and then see some defwatist cunt say that he was just like that but everything afterwards was shit, then he's trying to program us that even if we improve that mich, we will stagnat just like him. If he believes that, fine. He can remain a oathetic loser all he wants. But he's also conditioning us to believ that we would end up like that cunt.
Aka he's a fucking crab. There's nothing to cope about it, bitch

>>6627873
>younger people especially in the loli age range

>>6627873
Based lolichad

>>6631928
four fucking lines for bait holy shit my man

>>6627873
They're called children anon, and they're innocent

>>6633257
Those are not four lines.

>>6629185
You're just jealous cause you don't know how to back flip

>>6602650
draw shit you actual want to draw instead of endless srtudies
also leave your comfort zone and fail so uyou ca figure out what you actually need to improve on

>>6633407
What if I have to improve in everything?

>>6627873
>younger people especially in the loli age range
This is why I keep coming back here, I laughed for 10 straight minutes after reading this, thx a lot

>>6604257
>sakimichan.jpeg

>>6600222
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahahah


Hahahahahahhahahahahahha, holy shit you think that garbage is actually good?

Man zoomers truly are the most retarded generation

That looks like shit and yes sadly /ic/ can do that

>>6604167
the entire point of studying is to find anatomical shortcuts and shapes that appeal to your sensibilities, tastes, and skills, right?

>>6634148
If you thought he was saying it's good then you should probably go back to school.

>>6634148
functionally illiterate :(

>>6616367
No I don't have any homework margins from 10 years ago, sorry