/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6591726
Nice bait AI kun. Your evil has no limits.

>>6591752
From his perspective you are the villain probably. Hoarding your talents, never drawing OP's requests. So arrogant and full of yourself.
You ever hear that shit? Makes me laugh my head off when they unironically want us to be the little red hen for nothing at all.

>>6591726
>cannot be stolen by AI

AI can't steal anything that involves thinking like a human being, aka using form to draw, instead of copying color pixels from its database.
>Reddit space
AI isn't alive, nor can it learn concepts, it's closer to a word predictor than a human.
>Reddit space
That's why it still can't draw hands properly after almost a year, and it probably never will.

>>6591782
>That's why it still can't draw hands properly

In case you don't know what I mean by this, it's simple really,
>REDDIT
AI doesn't see a "hand" like us, it just replicate the pixels of multiple hands in its database and hopes for the best.
>Reddit spacing
In case you guys wanna learn more of this stuff, look up:

>Machine learning
>Deep learning
>Neural networks
>Denoising
>Diffusion
>Overfitting

AI's a gimmick, a dead robot, and it won't replace human beings anytime soon.
Unless we figure out AGI, but at this point everyone will lose their jobs, not only artists.

>>6591726
looool

>>6591726

>>6591726
>>6591765
>>6591767
Kino. ic bros AI will never win, never.

Nothing in this thread is a "style AI can't steal" tho, it's just multiple characters on one pic, and AI struggles with multiple characters, but any one character can be stolen without problems.

An actual style that's hard to steal is anything that uses line weight and shape for perspective like this

>>6592004
can't wait to see an AI prompt attempt this and produce some soulless rendition with perfectly parallel lines of the exact same weight

>>6592025
i say the same for digicucks. trad art can't keep getting away with it. digicucks BTFO as always

The old masters were right all this time, painting is all about storytelling.

>>6592058
>zombies running
>woooo, *whispers* storytelling
it's 2023, not late 2000 or last century. make something new

>>6592064
ok, sorry

>>6591726

>>6592004
AI can't replicate any style that doesn't have at least a couple dozen pics to steal from. That's one sad issue proompters themselves have had, when they stumble upon something really cool by accident and can't replicate it because there only one sample to distill from.

globohomo style

>>6592064
The story is "what are they running from and why?"
They're not running after anyone, there's no battle going on. There's no disturbed graves.
Why are undead prancing around the graveyard?

>>6591763

>Trying real hard to portray people traditionally associated with poverty as some cruel oppressors.

>>6592333
They are running from AI

>>6592325
It's not even just an issue for interestingly ornate and unique art styles, but even for porn. It's why when somebody pushes out some style/character focused, coom-centric model for a style/character who (a) isn't anime-ish and/or (b) doesn't have thousands of coom images, you'll be able to pinpoint one or two primary source images for any non eye-rapingly awful, vaguely on-model result. You'll even notice strange, random details which while they don't really stand out on their own, are off-model and peculiar enough to link to a specific image of the character.

>>6591726
AIniggers will never be able the autism of one man and his wife

>>6592358
*will never be able to imitate
I'm a human and I make mistakes

>>6591907
>>6591953
>>6592058
>>6592358
>>6592361
looks AI generated

>>6592004
>>6592325
You can "steal" concepts with as little as one image. And there's no style it can't draw or limit on characters. This thread is dumb.

>>6592058
This is true however. AI isn't about to consistently tell a good story in an image. You can train on a style but the output isn't going to have that same kind of thought.

>>6592476
It doesn’t look AI generated
It’s just boring art, just like AI

>>6592588
Shut the fuck up.
People have been failing to make models off artists with interesting styles but small galleries for months.
This is how you know 99.9% of AI posts on /ic/ are made by griefers who haven't even ever touched auto-encoders.

>>6592646
What artists? Who failed? Why are you making shit up?

AI "art" isn't art but neither does your average cumbrain's slop
/thread

>>6592655
you don't decide what art is
art is just art

>>6592588
yeah feed an AI model >>6592004 and pic related is what you get. sterile, uninspired, flat, monotonous. absolute zero soul

pen & ink

oil on canvas

>>6591726
All AI can steal real art. However stealing it good is another question. They can’t take the human quality so it can never replace true art and real humans.

won't be stealing from this guy

>>6592913
and still can't steal from this guy.

it also sucks at cartooning. anything in this book it probably sucks at.
any spontaneous, gestural, expressive style the robots suck at.

>>6592902
yawn so much time spent only to look like a photograph...

>>6592655
A-ack...

>>6593158
You niggas sure do love going to reddit now...

>>6593163
See you on r/SuicideWatch too, I'll make sure to give you reddit gold

>>6593165
Caring about reddit or updoots. Might as well neck your self now. Obviously we need to less people so are KYS campaign has been a complete success in filtering the weak

>>6593165
>See you on r/SuicideWatch
I'm sure you go there often given how miserable you clearly are.

>>6592655
you don't /thread your own post you absolute schmuck

>>6591782
>thinking like a human being
As AI advances, more and more fields of human "thought" turn out to be only computational problems. AI can't use perspective the way humans can, but it's silly to think that there's anything special involved in understanding three-dimensional space. Indeed, 3D modelling software does exactly that, at a level far beyond human capability. The sole reason AI struggles with perspective and complex forms is that it hasn't been trained to handle that yet.

>>6593165
>>6593179
If we’re lucky, the both of you will die soon

>>6593287
Well you niggas are prob more likey to commit it considering how valuable your time is spamming boards all day

>>6593296
>he says, spamming a board all day

>>6593296
>he says, spamming the same board all day

>>6593388
DESU I've seen you niggas spouting retarded shit on /vrpg/ and /3/ with very much the same speech impediment GPT talk. Y'all retards need your own board at this points

>>6593152
??? what photograph looks like this?

>>6591782
>>6591797
>That's why it still can't draw hands properly


>yfw you realize it can now draw hands properly

>April 2023
>still not believing

>>6593502
>these look like proper hands

Reminder
AIfags tell people that ai will raise the standards for art and its gonna do away with degenerate work
but they mostly use it for porn
they tell rightwingers that AI is making leftists seethe
then turn around and tell leftists that its democratizing art
they tell artists that ai will help them
but are also telling corporations that they can fire artists
when corporations don't use AI they then get called out for getting in the way of "innovation"
AI shills talk about how easy making AI is
but then talk like prompting is something only a select people can do
they talk about how much they hate artists and how useless they are, but do everything to be included in artist circles

the ai shill has no loyalty, no beliefs, no toilets, only hatred and greed

>>6593505
Anon there are AI video generators now, and AI models that can pass the USMLE and the bar

In a few short years, AI will be able to do literally everything you can do but better.

>>6593516
>In a few short years, AI will be able to do literally everything you can do but better
When/if that happens we'll have to worry about more than just art.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_media#Potential_uses_and_impacts
AI shills are essentially doomsday cultists.

>>6593158
Yeah it sucks, I understand why the redditor feels this way. But maybe it's time to re-evaluate why you got into art in the first place?
There's a distinction between illustration and art. AI threatens *certain* types of illustration. But it can never threaten art, which is personal expression.
I know /ic/ is illustration-centric, but there is something to take from the fine art world, even though you might think a lot of it is bullshit. It's immune to technological disruption because it doesn't even play that game.

>>6593516
if this doesn't trigger uncanniness to you then you're not even human

>>6591726
inventive lettering, detailed hatching, cartooning, storytelling, craftsmanship.
I know the shills say, "b-but one day aiyee will do everything you can do BETTA," but at some point some shit is just out of its wheelhouse, and anyway 99% will use it for waifus and artstation-illo consoomer shit.

>>6593158
paid shill doompost

>>6593538
Really it boils down to "they took my job" which is a valid argument- artists get themselves into the industry to learn art alongside getting money in order to survive and pay their bills. There's a lot of shit that must fixed first before we go all-out AI commie utopia. I still think its possible to make decent money out of digital art in the future (both near and far).It just that artist autismo (the story, identity, brand of the artist) isn't something AI can replicate easily (yet).

>>6592849
what you posted is sterile, uninspired, flat, monotonous. absolute zero soul so I don't see your point
garbage in garbage out

>>6593591
>Really it boils down to "they took my job"
It’s a valid argument. But an art job can be a lot of things. Industrialized art will always be at the mercy of “the industry.” And those fine artists I was talking about make a lot more than a concept artist anyway (and that’s just one avenue).
>AI commie utopia
Not gonna happen. With tech the spoils always go to corps. Best way forward is massive cultural pushback against these fuckers.
>I still think its possible to make decent money out of digital art in the future
Maybe, but to return to the material and art object is a big way to differentiate from the robots.
>artist autismo (the story, identity, brand of the artist) isn't something AI can replicate easily (yet).
It never will, because that is essentially human. Fine artists, outsider artists, high level cartoonists like Robert Crumb make bank because of their story and how it is tied to their art.
Even if an AI can invent a person with an entire history and art style, why should any collector besides some Silicon Valley autist give a shit? The human-social aspect is essential to the artistic value.

>>6591726
Thats so soulless it literally looks like an AI trying to replicate Lee. Also AI probably won’t sleep with other artists uggo wives…

>>6591726
unironically, scribbles made by children

>>6593625
show us some proompted lineart AI tard. we're still waiting

>>6591726
AI can never achieve this level of schizo, sure it can mimic the aesthetic patterns of any art you feed it but contains no meaning other than the prompt input. It will never be able understand and express fundamental aspects of the human experience that is being.

>>6595425
Disagree, AI can currently approach that level of tackiness. Easily.

>>6595425
>AI can never achieve this level of schizo,
ai art is schizo by default

>>6595061
>He doesn't know about the poorly drawn sonic ai drawing.

>>6595425
Hurray... schizo art is safe...

>>6595123

>>6595425
holy shit dude you must live under a rock
that's not schizo AT ALL

We are in the lawless, golden age phase of generative AI. Right now it's hacks messing with it, like the early internet. It will turn ugly in a few years, unless we figure it out. Enjoy the weird "schizo" stuff coming out now, because we'll all be crushed by it later and bad art will be the least of our problems.

>>6595527
the fuck are you trying to say

>>6595522
>>6595123
THIS is schizo + lineart, just copy pasting part of this thread and using it as a prompt

>>6595527
>We are in the lawless, golden age phase of generative AI. Right now it's hacks messing with it, like the early internet. It will turn ugly in a few years, unless we figure it out. Enjoy the weird "schizo" stuff coming out now, because we'll all be crushed by it later and bad art will be the least of our problems.

>>6595530
>the fuck are you trying to say
Well, do want a controlled corporate internet that spys on you and blackholes what it dowesn't like or a wild west, do cool shit internet. Do you want a corporate, government-controlled AI or a try interesting experiments, mash stuff together and try new things AI? That's the two paths.

>>6595541
insane levels of ESL

>>6593516
>just two more weeks
They've been saying this since the auto-encoder image generator was actually invented.
In 1998.

>>6595660
why do you continually say this shit when you're wrong basically every 2 weeks

>>6595660
It's literally improving every 2 weeks

>>6595534
are you giving us wood textures now and saying it's schizo art with your dumb ass AI

>>6595857
>>6595954
good morning sirs

>>6593516
>>6593502
When AI gives results like this it's because of overfitting. Search long enough in the databases and you'll find the image it's only barely changed.

>>6593271
>The sole reason AI struggles with perspective and complex forms is that it hasn't been trained to handle that yet.
>trained
Until there's AGI, no, you cannot teach the AI perspective in the sense that you're describing.

>>6591726
This

AI already can or will soon be able to emulate all art styles, because (spoiler alert) it steals from original artworks.So wtf is the point of this thread? don't you understand how Ai algorithms work?
Just come up with good ideas that are worth drawing and shut up. AI is good because it's forcing hacks that relied too much on good fundamentals to actually come up with artworks that differentiate them from a fucking robot. Prove you are human. That's our struggle and our fight. Be better.
>btw,pic unrelated.

>>6592058
concept art niggers are the most unimaginative and unoriginal fuckers in the art world. Sad that my younger self actually looked up to some of these artists back in the conceptart dot org days.
>>6592064
based take. Also looks like AI.

>>6597146
>Until there's AGI, no, you cannot teach the AI perspective in the sense that you're describing.
They said the same thing about a lot of stuff, until the AI did it.
The specific method of making 'AI' images which is popular at the moment probably can't handle complex forms and perspective because it literally has no three-dimensional world-model.
But there's nothing to prevent neural net technology from being linked up to 3D modelling software and learning to extrapolate back from a 2D image to 'see' the underlying form. There's a huge amount of effort being put into this at the moment in order to make robots which can navigate through the real world.
We've probably got a few years before that happens, but I am fairly sure it will eventually.
None of that seems likely to require human-equivalent AGI, or even lizard-equivalent AGI. That's just my intuition, but it seems way more of a 'mechanical' process than things like natural language use, where the current cutting edge is mind-blowing considering there is literally no consciousness and remarkably little computer power needed.

>>6595660
>1998
I know your zoomer brain thinks this is ancient history but it really isn't

>>6591726
because it's so shit it's not worth stealing?

>>6591726
copium

>>6597537
nta, but I find all this tech-worship quite silly. I have yet to see a single AI image generation that is really *appealing* to look at. Sure, some of the images are technically impressive, especially at a glance and if you don't look too closely. But they're all so devoid of meaning and intention, exactly what you'd expect from a robot imitating a human. I mentioned this in another thread, and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people interested in art will agree: The very best examples of art ever created were all done before the advent of digital tools. Photoshop, etc. made things "easier" but nobody with Photoshop has bested Michelangelo, Bouguereau, Dore, Frazetta, Drucker. Art tech has passed the point of diminishing returns and moved into the region of actual regression. In other words, the tech is negatively impacting its users' ability to produce great art. Seen in that light, AI image generation represents the ultimate leap for humanity into the pit of artistic mediocrity.

>>6597583
>In other words, the tech is negatively impacting its users' ability to produce great art. Seen in that light, AI image generation represents the ultimate leap for humanity into the pit of artistic mediocrity.
Yep, and it isn't just with strictly visual arts, either. I think a great example of how technical limits can actually make for more interesting art is DJ Shadow - all of his best stuff was put together with a single MPC60 sampler in a basement with a bunch of records. As soon as he got access to "better equipment" and a more efficient workflow, his stuff started sounding less unique and otherworldly and more like the stuff other producers would make.
I think it points to a general pattern of any artist needing to consider "limitations" as not a strictly negative thing, as sometimes being "more efficient/precise/etc." can make your work less interesting because you're not forced to think outside the box and really learn the tools you've limited yourself to just to make it work.

>>6597583
Would you consider something like pixel art from very early video games art because of their attempt to maximize the potential of a limited medium?

>>6597583
>AI image generation represents the ultimate leap for humanity into the pit of artistic mediocrity
Basically this. I can see the value of technology that can speed up the process of things like animation that take literally years of tedious work from hundreds of people. But I don't care to support "artists" who sit around playing with a picture shitter app and don't actually create anything. At that point they've assimilated themselves into the grey goo. They have nothing unique to offer and there's no reason to pay attention to them or support them at all.

>>6597460
please tell me this pic has a sequel.

>>6597583
AI peaked when it was in this "tryhard" stage where it shows you something that looks nice/decent enough but absolutely fails to comprehend how the real world works. Think four titted headless girls, salmon meat on rivers etc.

>>6597662
nta but I think you'd need your head pretty far up your ass to look at something like super metroid and not see the artistic merit in its world and character design, music, non-verbal/visual storytelling, etc. that it uses to sell you on its atmosphere

>>6597551
art=game
anon there's more media and content to see and study in a lifetime now but you rather want the attention span of a fucking goldfish
billions of images you niggas "create" and they all might as well go straight to the trash. Why show us your fucking gallery when most y'all couldn't be bothered fixing anything shit
>It's basically wait and see til gets better
>If it's gets too better it means prooompting was useless anyways
>will still say adapt or die
>will stay you must use or learn it and make posts about it
also I saw the arknights thing and I must say you niggas would be into mobile gacha games

>>6595541
We're already living in the belly of that particular beast, Anon. Even with the benefit of hindsight I'm not convinced there was anything people like us could have done to stop it.

>>6595520
tradsbros... we were supposed to be safe...

>>6597659
I was going to mention music as well. That's a good point about limitations not always being a negative. There seems to be a sweet spot where human skill and creativity are maximized by just the right balance of convenience vs. difficulties.
I also believe that means and ends are inextricably linked. You can trace a photo or 3D model, but what contributes to the uniqueness of (for example) Michelangelo's figures is how he conceives of them *from the start* -- from the very beginning, with nothing but a blank page before him and the thoughts in his head. Does he envision the rib cage as more egglike or boxlike? Does he think of form in terms of a light source or in a more tactile manner? Does he arrange figures in oval rhythms or like the licks of flame from a fire? The less an artist relies on his own powers, the more his work is like everyone else's.

>>6597662
Yes, definitely. As an example of means and ends, compare the sprite work in King of Fighters XII with earlier games. KOFXII's sprites were drawn over 3D models, which allowed for them to be larger and more smoothly animated, with more realistic lighting. It's technically very impressive but lost much of the charm of earlier games.
Personally, I like the pixel art of late '80s games most of all. Not too crude, but not too polished, either.

>>6591726
Anything that isnt pixiv/kuvshinov/sakimichan style
>"literally any style can be replicated bro you only need one picture the tech is improving at an exponensiul rate"
>ask AI to do anything that isnt Pixiv airbrushed pinup bust #11894
>it shits itself and vomits deviantart tier garbage
Draw literally anything stylized or in perspective and the AI will be incapable of replicating it.
The dumb faggots who pretend otherwise have actually gone fucking blind after spending so much time with their heads up a machine's ass. They'll show you an anime girl with Mantegna tier foreshortening or some hilarious looking img2img abomination as they force a smile and tell you that its indistinguishable from the real thing.

I'll go further and even say that I suspect AI already hit the ceiling of what it can do, the exponential growth meme is pushed by corpos to make people invest but scraping the boorus and one trillion anime girl busts can only get you so far. For example you will never be able to ask it to give you a low angle view picture of a guy sitting in 4pts perspective because there just isnt enough reference to put in the data wood chipper out there and no amout of crutches will fix that.

I don't know, I think everything can be easily replicated, turns out even very abstract symbolic stuff.

>>6597821
>I'll go further and even say that I suspect AI already hit the ceiling of what it can do
kek, this world is so fucked so much sooner than I thought, humanity won't be ready in time for what's coming

>>6597828
an Ai made this, it's over.

>>6597689
>Even with the benefit of hindsight I'm not convinced there was anything people like us could have done to stop it.
unironically would have required a large number of people to have realized that rms was 100% correct and to have those people convince normies of it, because of the normie factor it would be doomed from the get-go

>>6597695
>Says "tradbros"
>Image they give is from the computer
I don't you know what trad means

ai art is ugly
ai art is horrid
ai art is hopeless
ai art is wretched
ai art is wicked
ai art has bad morals
ai art is sinful
ai art is satanic
ai art is demonic
ai art is

>>6597828
>>6597841
No one likes that shit even when humans make it, so no loss.

>>6597841
>It's over
>shows loli in stripper outfit
Ah yes the future of children's media
what's with you fa/g/s being pedos and even using it as a rebuttal

>>6597848
60 million freaks can't be wrong!

>>6597851
Anon I...

>>6597850
that does not look like anime at all, it's flat and abstract, the thing was that Ai was supposed to have trouble with symbol drawing and abstraction, it still has yet to be as good as it as it is with realistic stuff but it's getting there fast, but as people have pointed out, nobody likes cartoons but the worst autistic freaks, so there is no point in making it.

I know this sounds like a shitty cop out solution to AI but what about seriously just competing with it? I can't see AI kicking artist out entirely or even a 1/8 share of the market be it fine art, commissions or commercial illustration etc.

I mean part of that will require you to know AI art gens inside and out and its limitations but once you know that then the rest is on you.
If this come across as me saying artists are overreacting about AI then yes, we still haven't seen the full effects of the tech and it still too new (less than a year) and mature enough to be a commercially viable instrument.

Pooh's Adventures bros, our time is coming!

The Sidaba bunch reporting in:

The Sopranos x Trulli Tales: an AI adventure.

>>6597845
Mostly this. RMS has the worlds worst case of cassandra syndrome but, to top it off, plenty of normies didn't care about wild west internet fun to begin with.

>>6592361
>he doesn’t gpt is constantly fucking up and apologizing

>>6597851
Someone help, I'm in the wrong world.

>>6597686
I never created anime or waifu shit in my life. If you don't see the possibilities you are a brainlet

>>6597854
That is likely what is going to happen but that will not stop me from spitting on AI roaches and making their life harder any chance I get.
This garbage is inherently parasitic and just because le toothpaste is out of the tube and we have to live with it now doesn't mean artfags should lay down and take it.

AI artists fear this
https://twitter.com/gommatt/status/1643917518757826561

>>6598082
What anon real quick is this your first time

>>6598137
>#midjourney.
kek, useless

>>6598094
fixed it

>>6591726
mine.
>inb4 "post it"
no.

Can AI into deliberate abstracted stuff? I don't think so.

>>6598351
my tiigers

>>6598365
I mean like deconstructed or something, not "le pintrest abstract art".

In the end it does not learn anything new, just finding the best result from what the labeler and the trainer claim to be. Nothing new or original can be created from it, unless you train it with more data, which is of course required a human-made one.
Not to even mention that most "AI artists" does not even care about the training data itself, they just type the prompt and choke the reference image in it then tweak a parameter to get random shit out.

>>6598351
>>6598370
is this yours?

>>6598137
damn, this twotter us appalling

>>6598243
You should make parodies of ai art. With the messed up hands and noselegs

>>6598365
Pick an image from these, insert it into CLIP-interrogate, it will guess the best prompt for that image, enter the prompt into SD 1.5, generate some images. And I bet those tigers would be easy to do

>>6598427
>Nothing new or original can be created from it
But your art is also nothing new or original in 99% of the cases, you are just not conscious of it. Also what is original. Is a combination of existing styles or subjectsor techniques that was never tried before original? Because ai can do that

>>6598602
Those? the 4x3 grid of AI generated tigers would be easy to do? Astounding!

>>6598604
>But your art is also nothing new or original in 99% of the cases
It's not the same thing and you damn well know it. Every artist has influences that filter through, some obvious, some subtle, but they are transmuted through the artist's hand. Real art is also filtered through real life observation and experiences. Even collages contain more of the individual human hand than AI, which is just pattern recognition vomit.

>>6598626
>pattern recognition
*human pattern recognition

>>6591726
heh... nothing presonnel kid

>>6598370
too complex for 1.5. but just a matter of time

>>6598636
>>6598638
I love how AIshills post this shit thinking it's an own. lol

>>6598639
>2 more weeks

>>6598640
How is it not an own? It looks like batman! That artist just lost his job and he doesn't know it!

>>6598640
>>6598641
>ai tech has plateaued
proof?

>>6598643
>anon said tech has plateaued
proof?

>>6598646
>>6598641

>le faces
inpainting. cba doing it

>>6598642
>>6598653
Us paintpigs can never hope to compete with such an exquisite output. You're a prompt master, no, a maestro.

>>6598649
That's not what the 2 more weeks meme means.
We were constantly told the likes of "2 more weeks" for hands to get fixed, and here we are 1 year after dalle2 launched and it's only sometimes just ok(depending on context) in midjourney v5, but still horrible compared to faces.
It's not a matter of image data/training, it needs understanding at a human level to do some tasks.

>>6598659
post your art

>>6598653
>cba doing it
such is the life of a synthographer.

>>6598661
>1 year after dalle2 launched
hahahhahah 1 whole year zoomers are something else

>>6598665
What are you laughing about?
https://fortune.com/2022/04/06/openai-dall-e-2-photorealistic-images-from-text-descriptions/

>>6597840
Two more weeks

>>6598663
those are the brushstrokes of the collective digital maestro, who am I to change them

>>6598666
did you doxx me? I am jeremy kahn. and since my timeline was off it will NEVER happen

>>6598671
Unironically might never happen. AGI is still only theoretically possible.

>>6598674
you don't need agi for faces and hands and better anatomy and lightning

>>6598677
>>6598639

>>6598679
I don't get it. You are obviously not aware of the things being developed. Go to /g/ and see for yourself

>>6592902
you mean the texture of oil on canvas or what?

>>6598680
I haven't seen anything interesting since modelscope released, which I use for fun sometimes. I said "might", but believe it will, just no idea on the timeline.

>>6598680
>go to /g/ and check AI threads
>its the same front-facing dead eyed pinups with a vague expression as 4 months ago with marginally better hands
Are you sure its actually improving at an exponential rate and not just plateauing after fa/g/gots ran out of crutches to attempt propelling it higher?
Really really sure?

>>6598685
1girl is forever

>>6598685
so you see no potential there. you are being dishonest

>>6592917
yeah because nobody trained it specifically on that and similar books yet. could be done. a cartooning model specialized for images like that. current model also has crime scene gore photos in it. specialization would make it possible

>>6598690
I'm being honest.
I genuinely don't get why anyone pretends that image models are somehow exponentially improving when all the developments I saw in the last 6 months were extremely marginal compared last year's breakthroughs.
Think about it, we went from img generators being a fucking joke, to them being able to make serviceable anime pinups and smeared landscapes overnight. And then, all the breakthroughs from this point have consisted of autistic fidgeting with external software, img2img or smaller datasets (all of these things covered with technical lingo to make them sound more impressive) to achieve the exact same thing with slight improvements. If anything, you're looking at picrel.

I think you're getting played. I think tech fags are so impressed by chatGPT's ability to guess code well that they believe machine learning can equally improve and take over any other field in a similar manner, ignoring all other circumstances and buying into the grift the likes of SD are peddling.

>>6598704
>autistic fidgeting with external software
that is literally what will make this tool so powerful. stable diffusion is just the foundation. you can build all kinds of stuff on top of that. models interacting and delegating tasks to each other. and it's going to get more and more automated

>>6598704
mad cuz bad

>>6598707
1girl with extra steps, marginally better than a lucky prompt gatcha get

>>6598708
anything done in anime style can be recreated in any other style

>>6598708
>being able to set the exact pose is only marginally better than not being able to
I guess 1 is only a little better than 0 huh.

>>6598706
I have no reason to believe it's gonna get that much better. And you don't either, with how you're speaking in future terms. It's always WILL do this and WILL get that speculation, but theres only so much you when the base of the tech itself isn't actually improving and fundamentally cannot even improve, because you can only do so much when machine learning is so dependant on input. Don't bet everything on this horse, chances are the emperor is naked and it's all smoke and mirrors.
>>6598707
>proving my point

>>6598710
imagine the combo of maya skeleton and skin weights augmented by ai, custom SD models. only brainlets doubt

>>6598710
img2img and inpainting was not 0

>>6598712
>I have no reason to believe it's gonna get that much better
lmao half of these things have DEMO in their names. you are noticing some imaginary diminishing way too early

>>6598714
You can't img2img a skeleton or a depthmap. For img2img geometry in your input picture is just a little suggestion nothing more

>>6598718
>just a little suggestion
Depends how you go about it. Editing the output and Re-feeding it back in to SD got decent results, you could lower the denoise of the edit.

>>6598725
Cope

>>6598745
Ok.

>>6598685
stable diffusion is definitely plateauing
but no shit; it's a model with half the number of parameters as 2019's gpt-2, so it's very limited in how much (breadth * depth) of concepts, styles, and world representation that it can possibly fit in it
the benefit of being so tiny is that it runs on people's mid range gaming cards from half a decade ago, but given the progression from gpt-2 to 3 and 4 there's a terrifying amount of potential left on the table even if you wanted a one a fraction of the size of a modern LLM

this is why this is the critical moment for data poisoning/hiding/whatever for anyone who finds their art in a dataset (the big ones are just lists of URLs so many artists still have a little bit of control to leverage), because the less they have to train newer bigger models on the slower they will be able to progress, which may buy enough time for regulations or IP laws to catch up and put an end to it

>>6593625
omega cope LOL

>>6598792
>because the less they have to train newer bigger models on the slower they will be able to progress, which may buy enough time for regulations or IP laws to catch up and put an end to it
Not gonna happen. This is like trying to ban photography

>>6592004
Train ai on 10000 pics like this and say that again lmao

>>6598792
Generating art without selling it will never be illegal. Dunno about other instances

>>6598792
What is gonna stop some /g/ autist to again include your images in the model?

>>6598803
Different anon but I hope they don't mind backlash then

>Photographing public art is always allowed. It's the USE of that photograph, however, that may require your permission. This is where the concept of copyright comes in. In the U.S., we value the ability of artists and other creative people to make money from their own work.

>>6598819
it's gonna be so altered you're not even gonna know it's your art

>>6598834
So they not going to talk real warcrimes or not

>>6598370
I know, I tried that but I don't know the proper terms. Wanted to post them anyway.

>>6598427
If you 1 + 1 you get 2, and 2 is a new thing. You have been wrong since day 0. AI always created completely new art.

>>6598869
AI isn't human so no, your premise is already flawed

>>6598602
Always forget about interrogation lol.

>>6598626
Every prompt has influences that filter through it too. Literally more than a person will have because it's a computer. Everything you're saying applies to AI art too except the AI is mathematically and objectively more creative because it's crammed with billions of ideas and you're mixing them together in the prompt and other settings. Humans can make stories and such so AI isn't entirely better than them, but in the context of single images we cannot compete. That's why you didn't post your own art.

>>6598666
He's laughing that you think a year is a long time for the progress we've seen. It's insanely fast.

>>6598871
the input is human made art

>>6598871
It doesn't matter if it's human, what are you trying to say? AI is just a tool people use. Using concepts that exist in the world(mostly human made). When you get it to mix them together you are 100% of the time creating something new.

>>6598874

>>6598879
lol you're stupid

>>6598882

AI will never create a new comic. Or a funny new meme.

>>6598885
it has though you troglodyte

>>6598885
>AI will never create a new comic. Or a funny new meme.
Neither will a pencil. Brains use tools to create new comics and meme.

>>6598890
i use a pencil idiot

>>6598885
you never prompted in your life. AI has given me hilarious results

>>6598891
god damn you're a retard

>>6591726
ips

>>6598892
Sounds like you lack creativity, just think of the ideas yourself.

>>6598896
you do, and then you use a tool to create them
in this case AI

>>6598896
there is a certain quality to the randomness of ai generation that is difficult to imitate

>>6598872
>billions ideas
>most of them are retarded
>and of course more them half is used for porn
>A good portion are just derivative or a the same thing copy pasted
>still coming here to bitch
>objectivly more creative but the ones using it are brainlets and coomers
>says it's creative but you immediately start copying someone else and says it can do it too
>most could prob post anything and you'll still follow because "look what it can do"
>Also prompt use for this post below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KY7cofvtbco

>>6598899
I could come up with a million hilarious ideas off the top of my head that would blow your socks off, kid.

>>6598899
except it's not a tool, no matter how many times you repeat it. ainiggers desperately want it to be a tool because it would validate their duplicitous practice.

>>6598903
you sound the same as the artists when photography was gaining traction. no it won't replace you but it will absolutely transform art

>>6598906
you just filled my bingo card, I suggest you look a bit deeper into photography instead of trying to change the subject.

>>6598906
you say that but then you niggas say you have to use and keep coming here to shill it.
Your most contradictory faggets out there that just want to be pic below on every little fucking thing

[relevant text goes here]

>>6598917
yeah go pee king

>>6598916
>you niggas say you have to use
who said that? you got baited

>>6598896
ai is currently better at creating surreal dreamlike art than any of the surrealist artists

>>6598901
>literally nothing but cope: the post

>>6598902
No you couldn't.

>>6598903
>except it's not a tool
lmao what a fucking retard

>>6598927
If your dreams are like an AI image then sorry lmao, computer thinking lack creativity, sad!

>>6598915
I suggest you take your own advice and look into AI art.

>>6598925
So have you been not seeing the same person coming here to spam an AI thread every day

>>6598930
Yeah I could.

1) Chair with funny hat.
2) Man doing a flip into a big pool of slime.
3) Dog talking and telling funny jokes.
4) cowboy with a cool coat on.

I could go on but I have drawing to do, see ya smallfry.

>>6598885
I saw a guy post his AI comic in /g/ a few days ago, what's your next goalpost? It was pretty weird, it was about a dog detective and his pigeon sidekick or something

>>6598936
why is it so easy to bait you

>>6598937
Post your art, you won't/

>>6598933
>AI art
not a thing, you can say AI-produced pictures, that'd be correct. I have looked into it, and it doesn't qualify, cope. It doesn't transcribe any of of your physical interactions directly. whatever comes out of it isn't yours or even human-made no matter how many human creations are used as ingredients.

>>6598896
Anon, they're prompters for a reason. This tech is explicitly made for lazy, uninquisitive "idea people" who believe this is their ticket to creativity.

>>6598940
post yours >:3

>>6598941
>>6598942
You are just a coping loser that wasted his time learning to create art but never made it. And now you're mad that AI artists do it better than you ever will.

Don't talk about cope, you're the embodiment of it.

>>6598944
Title: The Aftermath

>>6598927
>ai is currently better at creating surreal dreamlike art than any of the surrealist artists
It's pretty good. The distortions in AI art are hidden in the distortions of surrealism. Of course, we have a few neo-classical wannabe types around here that go crazy when confronted with anything post expressionism or isn't trite anime. Thankfully the jannies got tired of their whining.

>>6598940

Shadows are wrong, hat too small.

>>6598946

That's not slime, it's WATER.

>>6598921
i am talking about why ai is so good i am talking about why ai is so bad i am talking about ai

>>6598945
>golem is mad
>wasted his time learning to create art but never made it.
if only you knew
>AI artists do it better than you ever will.
>AI artists
not artist, they don't create art. you could say a machine can render faster if fed by the the entirety of the internet but I can do better lineart than it for example, because it cannot do a lineart.
>inb4 posting a rendered picture put through an AI filter to make it look like lineart.

>>6598955
Post your work, you won't.

>>6598948

>>6598955
And you won't tell because you're just acting tough like the pathetic loser you are.
AI artists do create art, AI is just a tool. And you can't create good line art.

>>6598958
>AI artists do create art, AI is just a tool. And you can't create good line art.

This sentence is like comparing a guy in a forklift to a bodybuilder, and making fun of the bodybuilder for not lifting as much.

is photography art? documentary photography, not so much. other types? the ones that make you see old subjects in new light?

>>6598956
I don't need to :^) there are no AI linearts or sketches
>>6598958
>AI artists do create art
nah, the AI produce a bunch of picture, they pick one and want a medal to boot.
>AI is just a tool.
by no definition of the word as the prompter doesn't directly control the output, you could argue they nudge it at best.
>And you can't create good line art.
the AI doesn't create any lineart, I win by default.

>>6598956

>>6598963
have you heard of the concept of "death of the author"?

>>6598961
And this sentence is from a guy arguing that both people aren't lifting objects.

>>6598963
You will never ever be a good artist.

>>6598958
AI art is real art.
your AI art is valid.
your AI art passes.
you ARE an artist hon.
AI rights are human rights.
AI rights!

>>6598967
I know your picrel is a meme but the lenghts some people would go to to NOT draw is astounding
If you're so scared of a white sheet and a pencil you should maybe find another hobby

>>6598969
>projection from a failed artist coping about AI

>>6598968
>you ARE an artist
nobody cares about an identity of an artist as much as you tho. art is a social thing. the author is irrelevant

>>6598967
ah but regardless of your wishful thinking, I'll still be an "artiste"

>>6598971
Hitler's art.

>>6598972
>I'll still be an "artiste"
nobody cares about (you) personally

>>6598967
Are you trying to claim that the guy in the forklift is also lifting like the bodybuilder?

AI "artists" use the AI as a crutch. Most of the work and process comes from the AI. They're never going to be the same, let alone be as skilled as actual artists. You don't deserve recognition or praise from just doing advanced Googling.

>>6598975
clearly you do given your seething. really roomy in there
>>6598971
and coping

>>6598971
Then why do so many promptcels try to pass their AI shit as real art by pretending it was hand made?

I mean, AI isn't THAT great.
it's not bad. I just don't think it's THAT good y'know? It's just not that great lol.

>>6598979
name 10

>>6598977
no, she (male) is claiming the one driving the forklift is a bodybuilder by virtue of using it.

>>6598977
It doesn't have to be like it, the act is all that matters.You are just coping trying to act like your sribbles mean something when no one gives a fuck. They look like shit and AI does it better. And people using AI are obviously artists because they're producing art.

>>6598971
AI art is self expression!
AI art is skilled work!
AI art is a legitimate job!
AI artists deserve fair payment!
AI artists deserve copyright protections!

>>6598978
no I don't care about your identity, I don't know you and never will
>>6598979
because most of them are retards that don't understand the medium

>>6598982
Troon, I'm saying they're both lifters. One is working hard and isn't lifting much and the other one isn't.

>>6598977
>AI "artists" use the AI as a crutch
do you ever use photography for reference? be honest

>>6598981
You think anyone remembers individual AI faggot names? You guys are all spamming the exact same shit, I couldn't even name one!
Visit Deviantart or Pixiv and you'll see more than you can count though.

>>6598985
pls read >>6598966

>>6598984
AI art is deceptively good.

As in it's deceptive to midwits who don't actually look at an image but instead give it a quick glance or do not understand what things actually look like. I'm not talking about hands or w/e but I'm talking about the process of drawing and basic shit like every day objects that they will not notice look fucked up.

It's perfect for midwits but people who take a second to look can see the garbage from hand drawn stuff.

>>6598991
>You guys are all spamming the exact same shit
one more proof ai artists are no different than real ones ;)

>>6598990
Yes. Now do you ever think in 3D or even think in gestures, composition, shadow shapes and design elements as you make your prompts?

>>6598986
>medium
it isn't, digital data could be considered the medium, if you printed it, the paper and ink would be.
>no I don't care about your identity, I don't know you and never will
you'll be thinking about me while watching your sissy porn and crying yourself to sleep.

>>6598997
>do you ever think in 3D or even think in gestures, composition, shadow shapes and design elements as you make your prompts
do you think this is not possible? hahahahah

>>6598990
>le referencing is le same as training an AI meme
People's brain don't run on binary code and algorithms. People aren't literal NPCs like you, anon.
>>6598992
Barthe's essay has nothing to do with AI because it implies that there is an intention in the work to begin with that the reader can can detach himself from.

>>6598990
>reference false equivalency
double bingo

>>6598992
Oh yes, because Chainsaw man is totally an allegory for the war between Russia and Ukraine

>>6598999
>digital data could be considered the medium
yeah so?

>>6599006
>yeah so?
AI isn't

>>6599003
>>>>>>bingo
>>>>>bingo
>>>>bingo
>>>bingo
>>bingo
>bingo
bingo

>>6591726

>>6599002
>People's brain don't run on binary code and algorithms
peoples brains don't run on adobe illustrator and pixels

These AI parasites have to be either trolling or mentally ill. It takes a special amount of cope to think you worth anything for doing basically a glorified google image search.

>>6599017
>These AI parasites have to be either trolling or mentally ill. It takes a special amount of cope to think you worth anything for doing basically a glorified google image search.

>>6599013
Illustrator doesn't make the art by itself. And no prompting doesn't count as making art, even normalfags perceive it that way!
>>6599017
Prompting itself is getting automated as we speak. The idea of being a prompt crafter or whatever the fuck they call themselves didn't even last half a year because SD and the likes used an army of useful idiots to train their bot for free.

it's so funny how insane anti-AI tards are

>>6599019
>hee hee you fat i win
Guess thats all you can do now huh

>>6599017
They're schizos who want skills, fame and glory but not the actual work needed.

>>6599024
>Guess thats all you can do now huh

>>6599026
Can you post more of this cat??

>>6599031
its a one of a kind cat

>>6599061

That's AI.

>>6599017
Yeah…

>>6599068
thanks for the twitter screenshot

aesthetic accelerationism

>>6598939
Well Jannie does nothing so might as well as bump these things into oblivion thxs

>>6599102
A.I.-generated culture has entered the mainstream.

>>6598966
>have you heard of the concept of "death of the author"?
Death of the auhtor is only one way to interpret a work.
Sometimes you do want to know what the author meant.
I don't really like death of the author, but reinterpreting stuff has merit.

>>6598707
what ai tool is being used to pose her?

>>6599068
Totally fair use. Its totally not hurting the marketplace for artists at all

>>6599421
Artists hating on AI are a blight, greedy fucks.

>>6599426
Yeah. Greedy fucks don't deserve any money let along a liveable wage for their "hard work". They're just making scribbles on paper after all. Work smart am i right?

>>6599432
>pic is a literal scammer who stole hundreds of thousands from the art community
Proving my point here.

>>6599432
Supply of art goes up. Price goes down. Please glance at some Econ. 101 stuff. Should be able to understand this after skimming the first two chapters.

>>6599432
>I would charge an insane price for something that takes me ages
>how dare you prompt something better instantly
what kind of soulless husk of a person would act smug about this?

>>6599432
Hey anon you
>>6599528
>also show reddit
>you need to go back
>mfw when is that's the picture they're going for a nutcracker
>mfw when AI fags mention getting a subscription
>mfw literally they could of got a prop or some shit and took a picture and it still be better then that pic
>mfw when they're showing just a fucking head as what the AI can give you
>mfw when they want to cheep out on a poster but for some reason lacks the skill to do any inhouse stuff and do it themselves for free
>article insists though they could of paid a subscription instead

>>6599028
>>6599421
>>6599068
>>6599448
>>6599543
Oh come on. Give the NEETs some sliver of """"skilled"""" work they can be proud of pretty please. Its democratizing art for the masses yeah totally

Why don't you go to the other AI thread

>>6599432
>he doesn't know artists charge more when they don't really want the job, but would do it if the price was right...
per karla:
>For cover work you can expect anywhere from $1500 (very low) to 6k (high) for covers. You’ll likely see it at 3-4k
>For card games like MTG you’ll usually get 1k per card, higher for rarer cards.

Unless the ad campaign was multiple images? Then it sounds like she charged normal rates.

>>6599685
imagine charging for art when you can just prompt it for someone for free
jfc

>>6599731
I don't need to imagine.

someone explain why 99% of the sadpanda ai spam is done by chinks

>>6599873
They don't have the same nonsense reservations as Japanese artists and they have the hardware to run AI.

>>6600445
so they're faggots, just like you

>>6600476
They're just not autistic, like you.

>>6600511
guilty as charged, but I'm a superstraight autist

>>6600543
Also poor.

>>6592029
tradchads keep winning