/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Posting my work here again cause fuck I need some help.

>>6580139
where do you learn how to choose colors like that? thats pretty cool and soulful

>>6580139
Great colors
Great composition
I love the Mignola-esque guys in the background
I hate the girl, awful pose, awful anatomy. Overall really cool stuff.

>>6580154
medsmap digital painting + marco bucci videos and course about color theory

I keep filling my sketchbook with pointless trash that's not going to make me improve. I lost the drive to learn and get better.

Hoping to finish it today

how are my shapes? Why are my spheres so awful?

>>6580161
just take your time and go do something else you enjoy, and when you feel the drive to do more art, do it.

I work ten hours a day, how do I force myself to practice during the weekend despite being tired as hell?

>>6580171
You don't. I don't lol. Well, not often anyway, just draw what I can when I can on weekends or days where I'm not tired from the 10 hours of work and 2 hours of commute. Please if there's a God of jobs just let this remote job come through.

>>6580158
>medsmap digital painting
where to get this? or did you pay for it?

>>6580162
I don't think you're /beg/

>>6580184
>pay
lol
>>6573284
and marco bucci you can find easyly to download, just google

>>6580147
I think you need to go out more bud.

>>6580139
How am I holding up, /ic/?
>inb4 line-weight distribution, whatever that means

>>6580147
What do you need help with?

>>6580210
He needs help finding God

>>6580210

I have trouble with Elly's arms on the cross and how to best orient them as well as Miang and how her body bends as she licks Elly's vagina.

>>6580223
If you were a woman, it would be easier to picture yourself doing that pose. I'd seriously consider on giving up this piece lmao.

>>6580192
oh well thanks!

>>6580225
>Defeatists posting on /ic/ again
Never change /ic/, never change

>>6580223
Try using real life 3D models, or 3D models on a program. Or ask someone to pose for you. Good luck!

>>6580230

Can I ask for a redline?

>>6580209
weak

>>6580223
Does this help anything?

>>6580210
>>6580241
clean up your lines. Just decrease opacity and add one more layer on top. You need to do this. It's not a waste of time. You'll see so much more of your errors this way

>>6580194
thank you anon
>20 hours until download
damn the gains will have to wait

>>6580147

>>6580265
>Hand up guy's ass
That's funny and a good addition to a timeless meme image

>>6580255
That's good advice, thanks man!
It'll help with my lineconfidence aswell.

>>6580147
>>6580223
So this woman is tied to a cross, but the guy somehow has room to squeeze in between her and the cross, sit down on something, and plug her ass? How high off the ground is this cross? Is the other woman kneeling on a platform? It's all a giant headache.

>>6580241
>>6580265

Thanks.

>>6580277

Yeah. If you think that was bad,here is the original pic and my reference.

>>6580277

So yeah. There is supposed to be a seat of sorts for Ramsus to sit down in.

I've been studying japs and now I understand why they only draw the end of the nose for 15yo anime girls

haven't drawn in several months, feels brainlet.

>>6580139
what wrong

>>6580328
Nothing.
Sometimes people will post something wrong.
Only sometimes though.

>>6580318
You still need loomis.

>>6580368
yeah but I'm dumb

>>6580328
you’re making the waists way too skinny
i mean i love a tiny waist as much the next person but it’s just… weird, looking
actually i think all your proportions are kinda off

>>6580139
Help me please, i have been trying to draw this SHITTY head for too long, not even with 3d reference i can pinpoint what the hell is wrong. Im tired, please

>>6580381
Where does your side plane start and stop.

>>6580392
>too long
that's the problem. if it starts pissing you off draw something else or take a break then come back to it later so you can properly analyze it

>>6580396
I abbreviated it, but I think I should take my time next time.

>>6580390
noted about the waist.
what other proportions are off?

>>6580408
You what.
Your drawing is fighting itself, some elements are nearly straight on, while others parts suggest the head is in a 3/4th view, you have to make it really clear if it's one of the other, mixing like this make it look fucking jank and just really hurts my brain to look at.

>>6580283
>>6580306
Can you just lose the cross? Just have her tied to two columns or something.

>>6580328
The thing that stands out most is how disproporionate the limbs are, particularly on the bottom left figure.

>>6580428

No. It is necessary. Kinda symbolism.

>>6580428
disproportionate being too long, too short, too wide?

>>6580430
nta but yeah keep your proportions in check.

>>6580418
i feel really weird critiquing other people’s works when i’m /beg/ also so uhh if anyone wants to me correct me go ahead sorry so sorry

the figure in the bottom left has a weirdly long left thigh. then the figure next to it (to the right) also looks odd. like the lower part of the body is supposed to be seen from a lower perspective, but the upper part of her body is seen directly from the front. and i think it makes her torso look really long and odd.

>>6580392
is that teeth? and how would that even work at that handle if it is.

>>6580232
Sorry, I'm a beg myself, so it's probably not a good idea.

>>6580237
>weak
Be more specific

>>6580455
Ground your figures.

>>6580464
What does that even mean?

>>6580466
It looks like the figure is floating. "Grounding" is drawing in a way that it is clear that your character is standing on the ground

>>6580468
I see! Yeah I didn't draw any background yet

>>6580468
Well, I'm actually not planning to draw the background anyway, but thanks!
Is there anything else that could be improved now?

>>6580468
Well, I'm actually not planning to draw the background anyway.
Is there anything else that could be improved upon now?

>>6580496
You clearly copypasted the shoes to her right leg and now they both look like symbols, thet look pretty flat.

>>6580497
>copypasted
Thanks but I really just drew it
>flat
Alright, I'll make them seem less flat then, thanks!

>>6580392
Side plane of the head is incorrect
Cheeks should be higher
Mouth should be lower on face
Jaw should be dropped lower
Neck should be thinner (if it's a woman)

>>6580497
Wait, how can I make it less flat?

why are you being so rude to him? Is he actually esdethfag?

>>6580502
You can make it less flat by changing its orientation

>>6580496
i feel like even if you’re not drawing a BG you should at least find a horizon line friend

>>6580507
>esdethfag
Who even is that and what did he do, aside from probably drawing Esdeath?

>>6580511
Okay... And how do I do that?

>>6580512
Really? Will that help the drawing process in some way?

Is drawing spheres like this (symmetric ovals divided by the diameter) really necessary? If I just pop two arcs a la loomis without much thought they always come out feeling more 3D anyway.

>>6580514
Rereading FWAP and that's what Loomis does too. So disregard the Loomis part.

>>6580496
The lines are so homogenous it could be a linerider level. Work with thinner lines (like the stripe things near the bottom of her shirt), then only thicken certain parts to make them interesting, like where lines meet/folds like the armpits, the overall outline, or other areas of interest.

>>6580514
Like most construction and other such diagrams, you are not supposed to do it like that every single time. Do it a few times to get the hang of it, or muscle memory if you will. Or just load the shape in your software and go over the lines to build it up, until you can just yolo freehand the diameter arc and have it look convincing enough.
It's only there so you understand and can compare yourself for accuracy, once you "get it", take the training wheels off.

>>6580514
Nah. I just guesstimate.

>>6580162
Damn this looks neat! Good luck finishing it!

>>6580328
I don’t see nothing wrong with these!
The one in the middle (4) kinda seems a little weird tho,i think is the waist or the tummy…but in other hands,nice poses you got there!


And-
Tips on how to improve this?
I tried to make an “bird-view” like perspective but i think im too stupid for this…
I’ve made many sketches,this one is the most close to what i want it to look like…but still looks so…flat?

Hello beg. Democracy: monk edition!

>>6580514
you can do whatever you want anon. drawing the shapes through is recommended for begs so they learn how to feel the form and improve accuracy and perspective. you can at any point be like: fuck it i am INT from now on and then drop any and all training wheels
>>6580506
line weight, cross contours, shading, drawing through, overlapping...
>>6580317
well? why?
>>6580175
i like it. very original and appealing. and with these tummies and ultra long legs it will even attract coomers, the UOOOOOH kind since they have no boobs
>>6580171
take it easy anon. instead of trying to turn your only free days into turbo grind focus on how to squeeze 1 or 2 hour session into your normal days
>>6580164
looks within reason
>>6580162
very cool batman. that stylized hands... i kneel

>>6580562
me in the middle

cluttered
face looks dumb
dragons right hand is lazily drawn
other harsh crits please

About to start coloring... thoughts?

>>6580541
I see! That makes sense, thank you!

>>6580562
>drawing through
What do you mean by this?

>>6580147
fucking move on already

>>6580230
>Defeatists posting on /ic/ again
nta but this guy has been working on this for ages shitting up the thread asking for help solving an impossible pose. how much time has been wasted polishing this turd, that could be better spent improving and studying similar references so that later he can actually complete it?

>>6580670

This is my IRL reference

How do you stop from crying when you think about the fact that Donald trump could be re-elected president?

buuuh

>>6580672
I kneel

Kinda lost my motivation and didn't draw much in march.

>>6580615
The first thing that comes to mind is her left hand. Maybe try varying that arm, hand position? Embracing the dragon with both arm or laying her backhand on the shoulder. Except it's your intention to make her saluting. Otherwise I think it's very sexy.

>>6580712
damn that's nice. reference?

>>6580615
I know the characters are styluzed, but the demon's torso is as narrow as the woman''s torso.

>>6580733
>>6580712
sorry about the hand its a little late in the process so i dont know about fucking with it too much
tried to fix other things that were bugging me though

>>6580729
Chanslut pj chan from around 20 years ago. Man I'm old...

How the FUCK do I draw an appealing nose? I want to draw cute goblin girls with prominent squished noses (not ugly hook jew noses)

>>6580810
what paint courses did you use for this?

>>6580824
The art academy from ds lol

>>6580824
they are from reference

>>6580824
But I also watched some science experiment videos on bounce lights and lights

How do I get my colors to look less artificial?

>Sit down to Draw
>7:00 pm
>Click onto /ic/ for one second, to check some threads
>7:53 pm

how do i draw tits and asses from a frontal position without it looking flat

>>6580898
make the tits a cup higher than B

>>6580210
>>6580230
>>6580241
>>6580265
>>6580277
>>6580428
>>6580453

Here is an update on my pic.
I decided to make the best use of the redlinez given to me. Thanks for the help.

I didn't think to orient Ramsus to sit on one side.
I really also tried to make the ropes holding Elly tk the cross more round.

>>6580824
Here are the videos, it's some obvious stuff that often I forget when painting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBUdhgcIjXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLt9njZpg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwNKPgo3oxA

I think I got ribcages and turning the torso down

got any retard proof tutorials for the hips/waist and legs?
I usually just get the crotch line going and follow the curves of the reference

>>6580913
underwear shape might be best.

Drawing I did with some guy on flockmod, I did the goblin, not the really cool and well design mini city. Just the goblin...

First try at fashion.

This is the only thread that is more chill. So....I need to ask how can improve in later work? what is my strengths and weaknesses from this pic? and how do I run glaze properly?

>drew the anime girls
>even colored them
Any tuts on backgrounds?

>>6580898
Go watch Mikeymegamega
Blacked lover extraordinare

>>6580917
Redrew it. I was messing around with the colors and I got a pretty neat night effect to it, but the original floating island still better.

>>6580877
>finally start drawing
>2AM
>have to be at work in 5 hours

>>6581063
I would recruit her any day!

MS Paint doodle with a mouse

>if you can trace it, you can learn to draw that well
Someone fed me this hopium, how do I refute it?

This is hard, I have ideas but I'm struggling

>>6581095
fellow msp enjoyer :D

>>6581095
This program is good for pixel art

>>6580863
Use shadows and scales

I started drawing and this happened.

>>6581168
The hair where is it?

any advice ?

>>6580696
Hot.
Please post finished version
>>6581191
Looks good, not much going on sotry wise though.
So it kinda falls flat.
Except for the short hair, but that's personal prefernce.

Another update. Apparently,Ramsus' torso seemed a bit short so I made some adjustments.

I'm working on a Science Fiction story that involves a spaceship that is in the shape of a floating Cuboid with an engine sticking out of it.
Would it be retarded to 3d model it and use that for a reference? I feel like I'm getting details wrong from working out of my head

>>6581222
Nah, especially if you're going to use it alot.
You could always use it as a reference too instead of tracing.

taking a break from sweaty realism and started drawing comics. having way more fun with it.

i wish i knew how to draw with a mouse
also i know it's very scribbled but how do i fix the proportions here? it is supposed to be two people in front of a bathroom sink and the guy is smirking at her as he ducks down while brushing his teeth

>>6581254
Blog?

>>6581256
cuqtoons on facebook and twitter. just started tho so only got like 10 comics up. having lotta fun so u can expect to see it updated pretty frequently if u do choose to follow.

>>6580544
>>6580545
>>6580562
Thanks for clearing things up

>>6581187
It's a cancer patient empowerment illustration

>>6581268
cool, but using default microsoft fonts always bring things down a little. Either write yourself or find some lesser known (and better looking) fonts online.

>>6581191
I think her torso turning might be a bit too sudden. It goes from her back being completely sideways, to her butt being fully 3/4. I'd probably show a bit more of the right side of her back, until almost the elbow or so.

>>6581268
I like it, lots of style, but overall feels a bit too muddy with the tones. I'd use some brighter or darker colors here and there to create contrast, like perhaps make the character's outline brighter so it pops.

>>6581285
I should download a few, but I'm kinda lazy and reminds me of not so fun time of when I used to work as a graphic designer, so I just ham it in now.
>>6581290
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I finished soon after. I wanted to be dark and mood but I think I ruined the contrast trying to create the atmosphere I envisioned. I could fix it but I'm working on something else right now.

>>6580241
Disgusting coomer

Did some cleaning up of this and also messed around with the orientation of Ramsus' right leg. It didn't look right with it being down so I messed around with it a bit.

I also decided to have Deus Sphere Form in the background watching this all unfold as Elly gets prepared as the sacrifice to Deus.

>>6581314
aww are you offended? ):

Are these supposed to be the best in business? I'm trying some mitsubishi out and they feel better in almost every single way, from writing angle to ink flow.

>>6581255
The guy looks tiny compared to the girl
>draw with a mouse
imo don't do that

Finished it.

>>6581318
Listen buddy. I’m gonna be brutally honest here. Your drawings are repulsive, and I’m saying this as a coomer. You wanna learn to draw nsfw shit? Great, but you need to learn the fundies first. As it stands now you’re working weeks on the same unappealing shit but it will never look good. It MIGHT look good if it was stylized, but you are FAR from having the skill necessary to produce something stylized and attractive. Please stop posting this disgusting shit and just learn fundies for a few years first. I’m telling you this for your own good.

>>6581429
Some good forms in there, but it feels like she has a way too long torso, like if you measure the distance from where her ribs end to her groin, it's fucking massive.
Also the shoulder that's closer to us seems awkward and flat, and the neck to head connection is real weird; neck too thin, and connecting to the center of the head rather than near the back.

>>6581468
Thanks anon. An yeah the shoulder sucks but I'm not sure what to do with it.

Did anyone else find pen tablets (no display) very intuitive?

>be me
>use an iPad
>read that you have to get used to pen tablets
>connect my iPad into a screen and use crosshair to see cursor
>crazy comfortable posture
>I can see my entire drawing and my hand doesn't get in the way
>forces me to use shoulder movement and confident lines

Still struggling with color, i've decided to experiment a little and see what it sticks, i feel im walking blindly in this journey

>>6581450
>learn fundies for a few years
I hope no one listens to this retarded nigger. Pyw faggot.

>>6581527
fuck off back to r/4chan and never come back

>>6581450
if the fundies take you more rhan 1 month you have no talent

>>6581541
Go study gold or something.

>>6580670
>an impossible pose.
No such thing

>>6581450

I am having trouble with posture,perspective and everything else.

What exactly is it that is the issue?

>>6581616
draw more

>>6581644

I am already am.
But you guys keep finding places where I fuck up and yet don't actually point out the issues.

As a low /beg/ starting on figure drawing and construction, should I just get started on Loomis right away? I've been doing DaB, Keys, and Eviston's first course, but I'm torn between starting with Loomis, Hampton, or copying Morpho

I know that /ic/ is for 2d art but if someone wanted to learn 3d art what's the best way to do so?
>blender guru doughnut
Someone else please

Posting this finished piece

>>6581711
>Loomis right away?
kek
hampton is better

I started doing at least 3 daily animal sketches from reference to build my brain library.
I like doing this and I'd recommend doing it every day it takes 20 minutes 40 at most

>>6581721
>>>/3/

>>6580816
I think the secret is just face balance and simplification the face planes. If you add too much detail it just looks weird, so you need to look as simple as possible so the nose doesn't look like is making the face look much older or is this huge eye sore in the middle of the face. Do you have any of you art? I'm normally good at drawing big ass noses on people and still maing it look cute.

>>6581721
term 3d art is increadibly broad, check out the speedchar guy on youtube, he have lot of tutorials for beginers about sculpting in zbrush and in blender (as paid courses not just his yt )

Feel like I've been drawing like this for the past week, not really noticing any improvement, apart from drawing faster. Anyone got any suggestions on what to do?

>>6581781
I tried doing figure drawing but I cannot get it to work.

I like this kind of paper.

>>6581790
Forgot the goddamn pic
>Uploading files from your IP range has been blocked due to abuse.
God hates me because I'm a phoneposter

>>6581792
As he should, filth.

>>6581792
Deserved.

sent from my IPhone plus XL

Actually? I really liked his gesture style and explanation. I just need one book I can focus on to learn the basics of body and face construction

>>6581781
read and draw from Vilppu and hampton. If your picrel is all the figures you've drawn in the past week you should be aiming for doing at least 10x more per week than you are currently and consistently do it . the human figure is exceedingly complex, you aren't going to see significant improvement in a week.

>>6581786
draw bigger and draw more. same advice as above

>>6581818
picrel is what I did today, but my previous drawings seem the same. So I don't know if I'm actually doing what I'm supposed to do, if I'm practicing correctly that is.

Ok, let's say it's done.

>>6581830
Use references for the love of god

>>6581814
I'm retarded, meant to reply to >>6581753

Hey guys, I made this persona of myself for a pfp.

Gosh I am already loving it! I would still appreciate any feedback!

Thankies ^^

>>6582005
If is for a profile pic I would add more contrast between the character and background, not if even a solid color to break up all the white. Else what people will see is what we see in your thumbnail, that is mostly a white block with some eyes in the middle.

I'm procrastinating so hard I started cleaning my apartment instead of drawing. My living room is now as spotless as my canvas.

I HATE LOOMIS HEADS
I HATE LOOMIS HEADS

>>6580147
>I need some help
you definitely do

So would the inner thigh actually look like this with muscle?

>>6581873
It's that bad?

>>6581374
They're not really the best. I liked the Arteza ones a little better meanwhile Staedtler always ran a little dry.

I drew mai waifu :D
https://files.catbox.moe/al3qlb.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/n68eui.jpg

>>6582025
What in the fuck

How do you guys deal with perfectionism and art? I tend to start panicking when any little line or brushstroke doesn't come out exactly as I want it. I feel like this sort of mindset is really hindering my progress

>>6582085
Suck it up and keep going.

In line drawing, what gives form and what compromises it?

>>6582085
no, that's fine. most professionals will criticize your individual strokes to get you to buy their expensive art courses, but in reality you're doing fine by yourself.

>>6582102
line indicates shape, and shape is given form by properties like lighting and perspective

Trying to figure out midsection and head planes.

>>6582005
remove the trannoid flag and it's good

crit this arse

>>6582158
Praise you mean {;^)

>>6582152
What the fuck?! I will report you for that. Shitlord.

>>6582037
Imo the main thing that's off is the perspective. The foreshortening looks really off. Otherwise (I) like it.

>>6581374
Almost any japanese are way better. Tombow, copic, kuretake, mitsubishi, pilot - almost anything will be better.
So take any marketing words of people who sell them with a big grain of salt. Better try different and find the best for yourself.

>>6582191
uuuuoooooohhhhh

Not my usual thread

... and no one cares, it's so over...

>>6582260
those are shapes and colors for sure

How do you know when you’ve spent too long on a piece?

>>6580139
Gonna start making more portraits on toned paper similar to this. Would really like to hear what I should work on for my next one

>>6582261
>react harder
I dont even know what I'm looking at.
>no one cares
this hard truth of this thing we do

>>6582305
think you went a bit mad with the highlight dots on the face, might be worth getting a white prismacolor pencil or something instead and save the gel / paint pen for tiny details like the shine of the eye
good stuff otherwise, toned paper is cool

Hello beg, please kill me.

>>6582305
my only suggestion is to try making tonal bar where you figure out smooth easy way how to go from 100% white to 100% black with many steps where you blend the black and white via some crosshatching. Now your white highlights and blacks are clashing a lot. You want some smoother in between them. Pretty good face.
>>6582302
when you can no longer easily spot difference between then and 1 hour later?
>>6582158
that is very weird shape of ass. is she flexing herleg muscles or something? did you use reference?
>>6582144
int
>>6582085
i just draw and the turds fall out from the canvas. and there is this theory that after 999999 turds the canvas runs out of turds and starts giving you art from time to time. for example todays two projects are very turdy
>>6582059
it is a bit rough but you felt the form on the 1st drawing so thumbs up! btw why did you use catbox website? are ponies banned or something? anyway if you want to level up i suggest doing some master study of some pony pic you really like. try to copy it
>>6582014
i did this when i was still at school lmao
>>6581830
you need keys to drawing. badly. and then some figure drawing book.
>>6581786
gesture is meant to be as big as the sheet of the paper. and for this reason you want to draw gestures on the cheapest paper you can find
>>6581765
cute. are you color picking the colors or do you have some trick to it? to me it seems like you just shifted hue somehow?
>>6581757
cute. but why dont you add 1 human into the mix as well?
>>6581541
>>6581063
i kneel
>>6580638
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/134

>>6582357
WFH?

>>6582357
>cute. are you color picking the colors or do you have some trick to it? to me it seems like you just shifted hue somehow?
I have 5 or 6 tricks I apply in every drawing, I get different results by changing the order wich I apply each trick and messing around with different color pallets and filters, is honestly even hard for me to explain my entire process because I'm not sure myself, I just do whatever and it works.

In this one I started black and white and hue shifted to bluetones, after that I added more detailed values making sure certain parts would have tons of contrast using multiply layers always making sure to use gradient to make so each value has a proper smooth transition to similar values so the drawing doesn't look flat. I use the cutout filter with the poster edgy filters on the full drawing using ctrl + shift + alt + every so often and making the layer is between 40 and 20 percent to give a posterization effect and clean the drawing without losing the shape and after all is done I start messing around with bleeding modes selecting different layers options and color picking different values using the select color range tool. I make sure the darker values always have the "cooler" colors and the brighter values can have the hot ones with some contrast in between like greens and yellows. Finally I like using even more gradients using the color mess I created to create a vignette effect and blend on hard mix or difference layer mode to on 30% to 50% fill, make sure is fill and not opacity since they behave differently when you use hard mix, and that create several hue shifts like you are seeing in the picture.

As you can tell is pretty straightforward and a simple method I totally not hamfirst in basically doing the equivalent of action digital painting.

Finished lesson 2 of drawabox. I feel like I improved a lot by just getting some mileage in drawing 3d shapes, texture, and understanding space. To be fair I could have gotten that elsewhere but it's nice to have explicit "homework" and targets to shoot for. Should I go to lesson 3 or move on to something new? Next lesson is applying construction

>>6581742
drew this too

Here is another attempt.

Honestly I really am just fuckinngtired of life at this point. My own life IRL is beyond fucked and I really want to make a name for myself with my art.

>>6582357
I definitely could've used that information before. I worked on the new piece. Great.

Anyone here use Ai art for art prompts or exercises?

three minutes ain't enough time to actually get a fig down what the fuck

ducky

Today I tried some non weeb art

My pic didn't come out right somehow so I messed around with the filters and such.

>>6582416
The shoulders are set way too low, this causes the breasts to be up way to high, and the neck / head seems to be too far up.

In my shitty 2 second mouse redline, I draw where your clavical kind of is height wise (its pushed back to be in line with shoulders) The tit meat is already there by the clavicle, raise the shoulders up.

Also, the foreshortening on her right arm is kind of messed up. The Sleeve looks like its almost going straight down, not going away from us. And her right forearm is too short, I understand the perspective ideas on it, but its not as far away as the perspective would imply.

>>6582357
yeah, ponies are banned, got our own containment board and everything. we're dangerous killers.

seriously though, thanks for the compliments anon, I'll look into that master study stuff
right now my fav pic is
https://files.catbox.moe/sawuwm.jpg
she's beautiful

inking with a gen pen is hard. How can I get smoother lines? I struggle with curves, I more or less am satisfied with my straight lines but having a hard time doing curved motions.

>>6582499
I love this

>>6582499
soulful shadows

>>6582499
I’d kill to see you make a full manga with this style. Great work

>>6582499
>having a hard time doing curved motions
Practice? Alternately, try a different tool like a brush pen.

>>6582501
>>6582503
>>6582507

hate to burst the bubble but I drew it from a reference

and what exercises could I do?

I guess I'm just going to be a regular now.
>>6582357
I won't kill you but I'm stealing your format and hoping the gains come with it.
>>6582499
Nice work, love the line weight. I'm obviously not a master, but I like dip pens and I've found that you have to guide the tip along the page like it's a knife point. Arthur Guptil's book on pen and ink is a great resource.

>>6582523
i prefer yours unironically

>>6582544
why? mine is just a crappier version anon...

so uh there’s always an anon here who shills medsmap digital painting course

anyone actually try it? the before and after pics look really cool

Only a few minutes of drawing, and it fucking sucks.
Ahh man, and I know I could do better. It's so fucking garbage, I failed myself.

Bros I’m so bad at drawing messy hair and I don’t know why. I can do bob cuts and long hair somewhat ok since I can think of the hair as sheets or ribbons when I do that, but if the hair is spiky, frizzy, or thick (like hex maniac and similar), I have no idea what to do. I try to add variation like I would when drawing a tree or cloud, but it all ends up seeming aimless and random. I can’t even seem to use the roots/scalp to guide the flow. It gets worse when I try to color or shade it. It makes me feel like I’m an eight-year-old trying to draw Goku or something. Does anyone have tips? Sorry for the rant.

Im trying to learn how to ink so ive been doing some studies from some pros, any critique and advice would be appreciated. (reference is steel ball run chapter 83 cover)

not my favorite but i think it turned out okay

>draw straight line
>flip canvas
>its slanted
>erase and repeat
>10 mins later and i cant start my drawing because of one stinking line
its over

>>6582745
Hispachan represent

>>6582454
well try it more, because you are pretty good at it

>>6582442
3 mins is plenty, and I usually feel like more than 2 is too much time, unless doing a fully detailed drawing.
For anything under 5 min, you really should spend the first 30 seconds basically nailing down a stickman and a couple major curves you notice, THEN once you have the full figure like that, spend the rest of the time actually adding flesh and details, so you don't end up missing half the limbs by the end. Don't try to make pretty clean figures, try to get the pose down as quick as possible, then if any parts were too long, short, wrong angle, etc. Just correct over them even if messy. Get a loose exaggerated gesture down first, then do a second pass to give structure and "harden" it more accurately.

>>6582523
I still prefer yours haha

As for exercises, just do some line confidence ones like drawing lines of different lengths using your shoulder. You have confident lines already but there’s always room for improvement

>>6582549
Have some confidence! The way you did your shadows is way more appealing

>>6582580
Apologies if it’s hard to read but the main issue here is readability , shading, and the gravity of the hair. Hopefully the pic explains it well

>>6582929
I also referenced this as a base. Another tip is to of course copy people who do what you’re trying to do but are better

Why do so many people post anime tiddies and anime in general? Don't you guys like the real thing?

>>6582946

>>6582692
fake problem deal with the slanted line or use a ruler

>>6582946
Anime is like the logical conclusion of most teacher's philosophy of "less is more" and "show don't tell." Very simple art pieces (ideally) that focus on the most interesting subject, people. It's no wonder why it becomes so popular.

>>6581208
Dude, just finish it already, it's been literal days

>>6581257
>cuqtoons
>cuq
Why?

>>6582214
I see.
I kinda wanted the perspective to be from slightly above (As if you're taller than the catgirl), but I didn't sell it well. Thanks for pointing things out!

>>6582357
>you need keys to drawing. badly. and then some figure drawing book.
Thanks!

>>6582357
>>https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/134
Oh, so drawing through basically means drawing as if the object were transparent! Yeah, I should practice that too. Thank you!

>>6583060
It's been years.

>>6582619
Vary your line width.

>>6581792

Use DDG browser, never fails when I’m being a lazy as fuck cripple and use my coomdevice instead of a PC

>>6582005

Remove the flag and do the colours as the iris/pupil instead, with defined lines between them, still get to rep trans but in a more interesting way than just slapping a flag on

Add some variety in the thickness of your lines

Leave a white outline around the character but go with a solid block of soft, muted pink for a BG colour

Otherwise you’ve done more than I have today, good progress Anon

>>6582305

Would love to see a version of this where instead of dot highlights on the face they’re solid blocks of white, or possibly just scribbled idk

Either way, looks real cool, do Lauryn Hill or ODB next

>>6581742

Aside from the can disappearing into the hand, I really fuck with this - def won’t be to everyone’s tastes but I like it a lot.

Reminds me a lot of “cheaper” manga covers with heavy airbrushing, which isn’t a criticism, I like that sorta off-brand feel

>>6582661

Shows promise but honestly I’d ditch the background altogether and just go with a colour splash or a shadow of some sort, there’s a dissonance between them that makes this kinda unsettling

>>6583099
Really? Proof?

>>6583048
this is more true for manga than anime, considering that for the latter many people just want to draw semi-realistically rendered waifus in generic poses

>>6580147
help of therapist yes

>>6582929
>>6582938
Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I also did a quick sketch and redid the shading considering what you explained, and it was much easier to think about.

>>6581580
Will do then, thanks anon

Can I post dripping blood on Instagram or is it against the rules?
Any experience with soft-core gore?

>>6583294
The blood is dripping from the characters hands btw, but the character herself isn't hurt or anything.

how do you learn to draw hair (like this)?
I'm finding it un-copyable

Another update. Apparently the abs whilst we'll defined,don't quite show here with how Elly is oriented.

I have been drawing for 3 weeks, at least 6 hrs/day (not counting reading/watching courses) and I still can't draw a cylinder. My hand-eye coordination has always been shit and I don't feel it has improved one bit, nor have my observational skills (though I focused more on drawing shapes). Is this normal?

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>>6583319
i wish there was a way to hide your posts in particular

>>6583147
is that some 5D chess ironic-serious critique or are you being genuous?
If so, leave this place. You do not belong here and its a horrible way to socialize. There is nothing good here (except pirating artbooks). You will gain nothing here, this place will rot your soul and mind. The blind are leading the blind here.
I only come here to shitpost and laugh at people.

>>6583323
If you want to improve observation and accuracy, check out courses on those aspects. Keys to Drawing, Right Side of Brain, Dorian Iten's accuracy guide, or exercises like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZnvXBh341I

>>6583352
not my biggest problem honestly; I'm more worried that I have some sort of mental retardation that keeps my lines from improving.

>>6583323
Come back when you have draw every day for a year.

>>6583161
that's what i usually do but every once and a while ill try an actual background just to get a bit of practice

>>6583364
you mean doing just shapes for a year?

>>6583372
Drawing in general. I don't know, draw your cat, draw whatever you like, study objects as well, just do it for a year

>>6583372
Literally anything.

>>6583308
You can't just break the hair into small sections? You can't draw wavy lines?

>>6583380
I can copy a line; but layering a bunch of similar wavy lines next to each other never looks accurate for me

maybe I just choose 2-3 line segments to learn and practice repeating them over and over

>>6583218
I'm not exactly screen capping every post in the thread but others can likely confirm this dude has been trying on this and another picture for like two years now. At this point I've moved beyond disgust for the skill or subject and moved onto quietly accepting that he's here to stay.

I haven't drawn in 5 days bros. Longest break I've had since I started drawing over a year ago. I'm ngmi

>>6583406
I see. Such a sad and pathetic existence of his

>>6583323
Yeah that's normal. Getting to the point where you can draw accurate forms in space can take a year or more, when you factor in things like basic perspective and line control. But mastering the forms (being able to feel the forms a la Vilppu) is another thing altogether, and can take quite a bit longer.

>>6583372
Forms and shapes are different. The former is 3D, the latter is not.

>>6583408
I haven't had cunny or bunny in 5 days bros. Longest break I've had since becoming vice president over a year ago. I'm ngmi.

>>6583412
>Getting to the point where you can draw accurate forms in space
so even drawing "random" cylinders should be hard? I get that getting right a form from imagination/reference is hard, but what if you're just drawing "random" cylinders/spheres/boxes? Are those supposed to be hard too?

>>6583421
Lets see your cubes and cylinders?

>>6583424
cubes I still haven't practiced freehand yet and I threw all my paper with cylinders away. Will draw a new page and post in a few mins

>>6583421
>Are those supposed to be hard too?
If you don't know perspective they're nigh impossible

>>6583408
I had to take a break thurs-fri, and was too busy on the weekend. Didn't draw yesterday out of depression at the 4 day break, forced myself today back on it and actually got a great session done, can't wait for tomorrow's. Just discpline yourself artbro.

>>6583408
I take like 9 month long breaks

Did this for fun, gesture and hand anatomy not used and just went my own way because couldn't found a proper 3D tool for body reference. (only references done is the weapon, knight armor, wolf skull and a little for the rocks.

Is it alright for first (own) major work for early beg?

>>6583453
and like a retard forgot to select pic

doodlez from yesterday
what do I work on today?

>>6583424
There we go.
>>6583431
what do you mean by "knowing perspective"? I know the basic rules of how a cylinder behaves in perspective of course.

>>6583466
maybe try using squares to form your ellipses first?

>>6583453
>Is it alright for first (own) major work for early beg
Not really, but at least you had fun doing it

>>6583466
Some of them don't look like cylinders exactly; the middle-left one appears to be more like a cone that tapers irregularly from a round base to an oval top, and has had its tip cut off. The top left and bottom left ones are alright. The big middle right one (and the one above it) suffers from the same error as the middle left one, except in reverse, so it looks like a salt cellar. Basic perspective issues.

>>6583480
Good advice

>>6583488
>are alright
But it wouldn't hurt if the ellipses on the left were very slightly narrower

>>6583466
I think it's mostly a mismatch between the flat ends of each cylinder. Also there's some fuckery with how to do circles in perspective which i cant remember- and explain how to do.
Here's a good lesson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqEE9yU474

>>6583507
>>6583502
>>6583488
>>6583480
Thanks a lot for the advice. It's good when this website is actually useful for something.

>>6583466
>>6583522
would recommend Brent Eviston's course. I'm doing it right now, just about to make some actual 3D spheres and I can already tell you that my ovals, circles and line quality is improved as a result
the ovals look a bit darker is since he recommended trying to darken one side btw
I still haven't given up, bros

>>6583530
Do you know about the wrist trick anon? Line up your wrist/forearm with the minor axis. Makes drawing ellipses a piece of cake

>>6583535
hadn't heard of that before. so I'd line it up with b here? seems like it'd be difficult if it was leaning to the right since the arm doesn't bend nicely that way
will try it out though, thanks

>>6583544
Yes, with B. As lock as your wrist is locked it should feel natural

>>6583561
long as*

>>6580139

>>6583457
I’m going to be honest, I’m not sure what I’m looking at. The torso is especially weird and so is the head.

>>6583232
glad you like the advice. Your redraw is much better now, good job

>>6583530
I'm following it too lol, upping the number of shapes by a lot- I count a shape only when it's "accebtable", I'm sure I drew thousands of both circles and ovals. They're still pretty terrible as you can see >>6580164. I think it has to do with my awful eye-hand coordination, I was always bad with a pencil and my handwriting is awful (not even symmetric awful, I'm talking about messy all over the place awful).
>>6583535
is there a video demoing this? I feel like I'm getting it wrong

>>6583593
this is pretty cool Anon, nice

>>6583613
Have another

Whenever I use the hard round brush for sketching my results aren’t good. What am I doing that’s wrong?

>>6583530
Did this do anything beyond prescribe page after page of ellipse drawing?

>>6583629
do you mean does Brent prescribe anything other than ellipse drawing? if so the answer is yes
if you're asking whether a project that calls for 100 circles, 50 ovals and 50 spheres is in fact prescribing exactly that, then the answer is also yes
as he puts it, the more of these things you draw, the better you get at it

>>6583480
you mean by encasing the ellipse in a square (or rectangle) or drawing the quadrilateral of the cylinder's body first and using the sides to divide the ellipse in two symmetric parts?

Been wondering how I can improve upon this pic.

>>6583684
make the chin pointier

>>6583638
I gotcha, I was just curious. I'm sure his course is worthwhile, just that I notice the fundies are a part of everything. There's always a little bit of worth in checking those skills since they're such fine motor skills.

Here is another pic.
I am trying to see if I can do better.

>>6583745
narrower

>>6583684
>>6583745
If one foot is in front of the other, then the hip on that side should be slightly dropped.

fucking spheres man, how do they work?
first try making these, happy with at least a handful. my lines are so wobbly that it's hard to get the ellipses to fit, plus having to try and get them to align properly and have to darken just one side

So here is an update.

I was wondering what would be the best way to draw the clothes on the ground including Elly's panties and bra?

I finally finished it.
What do you think, /ic/?

>>6583845
You wouldn't see the outline of the breasts through the jacket.

>>6583832
Needs a slightly more defined chin, it just kind of looks like head and neck run together but overall really good

New thread?

NEW THREAD : >>6583970

Hello beg, today i feel very ashamed since i traced from book which is like 1000something years old. At least it is fair use.

>>6583845
very basic but respectable. thumbs up
>>6583827
drawing ellipses is one of the hardest thing to do, keep at it
>>6583628
the sharp solid line makes it super easy to see mistakes and places where your hand slowed down or wobbled while if you use some fuzzy brush the texture will hide a lot of small inaccuracies
>>6583593
damn thats unique. i kneel
>>6583308
if you cannot draw what you see then you either need to read keys to drawing to level up / unlock the observation skill OR you have some mental trauma from hairs which makes you believe you cannot do it. Zoom in, see how simple the hair are rendered in your reference and then draw what you see.
>>6583272
dammit that is cool as fuck
>>6582498
you are making me want to test out the local mods and just draw some my little pony study to see if i will get banned for that lmao

>>6582865
>well try it more
I will, I refuse to accept that I can paint mechas but not a fucking human being.

>>6583896
True

>>6583982
Thank you!

>>6583988
Holy based

NEW THREAD
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>>6583970
>>6583970