/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6582264
This was how good they were in 2D art. They're also pretty amazing 2D artist, not sure on their 3D skills but probably also amazing and now AI replaced them.

That's a clear bait, what are you talking about
No creative job has ever been taken by AI and it is unlikely it ever will

First off: It cannot be copyrighted
Secondly, artists just use it as assist for them, if they even needed it

>>6582264
My prediction: AI slop is going to overwhelm everything. It's going to become so commonplace and ubiquitous that people will turn to trad art just to not lose their humanity. Tradchads will see a huge resurgence in a decade or so. Just be ready when it happens.

It's time to get a real job and realize that art is just a hobby to do for fun.

Obligational:
Allowing AI art to go untagged killed Deviantart and flooded Artstation with Pajeets.

>2022
>corporate "art" is so soulless, even pieces painted by solo artists feel drawn by committee, there's no emotion or meaning behind 99% of creative works pushed out as products by these big corporations
>2023
>bossman tells the janitor to shake the abacus again and call it a day
Apologize.

>>6582264
Don't worry about it. We tried to warn the world about the dangers of AI, they told us we are just hypocrites that are suddenly mad because it is affecting us, and now the world will soon crumble because of it. Just keep making luddite arguments online in order to slow the adoption as much as possible. The world is ending by the very silicon hands that made you lose your job/hobby, so just be proud of yourself that the thing that made you lose your dreams was not some pussy shit like depression, anxiety, burnout, but instead it was worldending force of progress that is akin more to a Lovecraftian horror then actual software.

>>6582284
>someone saw the robot laywer scene in Elysium and thought it was a future to strive for

>>6582270
Yeah, the problem was not the skill but the fact that it was supposed to be used as sprites and went from 3D to 2D and then get 2D rigged. Stuff you posted does not look like something you can put in a videogame, and also does not look like it can be replicated by AI because AI is notoriously bad in details and backgrounds, especially if in the background there is mecha robot. Its just about efficiency and it just so happens that 2D rigged booba is one of the few cases in which AI art can be used for game development

>>6582264
Was starting to feel the void of AI bait threads, thank you OP for your effort in keeping the cause alive!

Reminder
AIfags tell people that ai will raise the standards for art and its gonna do away with degenerate work
but they mostly use it for porn
they tell rightwingers that AI is making leftists seethe
then turn around and tell leftists that its democratizing art
they tell artists that ai will help them
but are also telling corporations that they can fire artists
when corporations don't use AI they then get called out for getting in the way of "innovation"
AI shills talk about how easy making AI is
but then talk like prompting is something only a select people can do
they talk about how much they hate artists and how useless they are, but do everything to be included in artist circles

the ai shill has no loyalty, no beliefs, no toilets, only hatred and greed

>>6582303
Thanks for mentioning, but luckily people are aware of most of this, which is why it has not yet replaced THAT many jobs. People are reluctant because they know its bad

>What are the implications of AI eating artist jobs?
The same as excavators eating construction jobs.
I.e. the biggest implication is morons like you who make these shit threads, and who should be permabanned from the Internet.

>>6582279
Remember that physical labor is the job that AI cannot take over. Better start making those homes Jamal

>>6582270
The drawing you posted was not made by the OP of that reddit thread, this is what her works actually look like, still mog 90% of /ic/ tho

>>6582281
It's killing pixiv too. Nippons are desperately looking for alternatives.

>>6582330

>>6582331
Killing? We've never seen so much being posted

>>6582354
What about the viewership? Thats the actual question, not how many spammers can post their shit there

>>6582264
How much crypto are you getting paid to spam the same message?

>>6582279
Call center scams aren't a real job either.

There's a paradox at work with Ani ai cucks that I've encountered several times. "AI is taking our jobs" vs "it's not taking anyone's jobs because it can't be used commercially" vs "it's crap and nobody will use it".

>>6582440
Yeah, there are so mant caveats to the copyright issue. Like, first of all, it depends on the poster's country. And secondly... Most media businesses don't care that random npc assets or trees are under their copyright. It's not like the output is suddenly copyleft, making every downstream product non-copyrightable
I can see the story being true, even if the workflow strikes a bit weird.

>>6582326
truth to be told, I'd rather wade through shit in a sewer than touch anything AI-related

>>6582264
>le demoralization indian

>>6582264
I think it might be a good thing for some jobs like animation. Animation is insanely expensive to produce. So you usually see a bunch of layoffs during economic downturns. Hopefully AI can save time and money on production which will mean more films will be made and more artists hired.

Assuming you're not trolling, just go for it anon. I wouldn't recommend dropping hundreds of thousands on art school even before Ai was a thing but definitely pursue the craft if you enjoy it. I'm going to school for animation for totally free so it's low stakes for me. Sam Altman tongue my anus.

>>6582466
Wouldn't it be hilarious if what you say turns out to be true, and only the outsource studios in India lost their jobs.

>>6582264
Use AI for work, then draw or rig traditionally as a hobby

>>6582264
I’m glad I do art as hobby, because generating art is awfully boring, even while using controlnet scribble model and adding my own sketch, it always feel so impersonal.

>>6582278
Honestly sounds awesome

>>6582481
Rigging traditionally boy that's something I never thought I'd hear in my life.

>>6582264
You might as well relegate making 3D models as a hobby and do the proompting as your job.

But hey, atleast you still have one.

Congratulations online artist who struggles to make any money with comms, you can rest easy knowing that some Pajeet will be freely using your work for his picture shitter.

>Implying they'll use (you) for a prompt job
They just need one ideas guy really

>>6582505
I just meant to sculpt or rig the ‘regular way’. I’m not really familiar with 3D program terms

>>6582519
Yeah I wasn't saying it to be an ass. Just commenting on the times we live in.

>>6582516
Yup, artists will be replaced by barely literate diversity quota hires who will train in-house proprietary models on art they find online, shit out a lot of possibilities, and run the "best" by the boss, and that's what will be used. Big companies will of course still want skills, but a lot of mid- and lower-end companies will absolutely do this. Fast, "good enough" results from an employee making minimum wage as opposed to slow and good results from an employee making a couple times minimum wage.

>>6582537
>barely literate diversity quota hires
They'll probably just outsource it and keep employee count low to maximize CEO profits, or just let the art director do the entire work of prompting. Marketing firms and ad agencies are gonna salivate over the endless amount of cheapass high-quality ads they can prodoose. An artist's saving grace in the AI future is to be a director himself churning out big projects as a one man team. Every "static" or "as-is" piece of art, literature and music will be deemed cheap and worthless. Good fucking luck.

>>6582354

>>6582278
This. Since last year I've gone from using digital 90% of the time to only 10%. I mostly use pen and ink now, it's also much more fun

>>6582264
Bet on your own product. I'm kind of glad that even before AI art surged I was never a big fan of commissions so I threw my efforts towards Patreon/Gumroad

>>6582573
How's that working out for you anon?

>>6582576
I took a hit ngl because part of my market was people wanting to learn the craft and that has dimished for sure. However I'm still at 80% of my top month which is still very liveable for my country. Right now I'm trying to hedge with GameDev and introducing more narrative elements in my pieces.

>>6582589
Curious. What stuff do you make and how much of it do you do in a month?

Do you want this done about this? Go push AI shit on normies saying shit that tech bros always say but spin it to them. Education? What jobs? The chat bot can teach better and it is also giving you actual correct info despite how to advance your question. Why do we need teachers if AI can do it better?
Music? Just get an ai who has sampled good voices and make a whole new song out of it. Fuck having musicians be rich or have a career.
Coding? Just have ai do the 90% easy work and have only the best of the best be in computer science.
Youtuber? Just have ai put a whole video together and all you have to do is upload it. They can't tell because half the youtube channels use ai voices or we can sample some normie's voices.
Porn? Just use ai and its endless possibilities you can make. Women and men will age like milk but ai people will remain like wine forever.
Gaming? Ai will be the new pro gamers, why do we need them ? Ai can do it better.
Streaming? Well vtubing and normal streams can easily be done with sample voice ai and ai playing games. They won't yell at you for backseat gaming, they will never date anyone, they won't post about sexism on twitter, or get in trouble for gambling.
Waiters? A robot can take and bring food to the table while you use a touch screen to order what you want.
Cashiers? Well self check out duh
Uber and Taxi drivers? Self driving cars.

Job replacement? who cares ai does it better.

The simple thing about this guys is you can't convince people to give a shit about
art but you can about other areas of life they hurt them. Instead of convincing
you become pro ai and be annoying about it. Dehumanize labor and all of a
sudden more and more people will hate ai.

>>6582589
The recession/inflation might have something to do with that. People can barely afford a trip to the grocery store.

>>6582603
Ai doing all the work sounds awesome. Literally the only jobs to get upset about being replaced are probably art. Some form of ubi will be needed of course

>>6582264
>I wanted to create
>With my own hands
his hands never touched his works

>>6582264
One thing I've stated over and over is how we're going to stagnate culturally and artistically. These things aren't as random as people like to imagine, and tend to spit out the same sort of responses as frequently as possible. Not to mention it is just a mashup of what has come before, rather than something new.
On top of this, I think we're going to actually have a shortage of people with real drawing talent in a few decades - why draw if you can prompt? Why learn it when a computer can do it so much better than you. The skills to iterate and improve upon these AI pieces will be lost.

Personally I see a Luddite movement in the making with AI, that I hope sets boundaries for what is and isn't okay to be AI. Finished things like full character sprites or backgrounds etc shouldn't be AI, but quickly making textures? Sure.

>>6582275
>First off: It cannot be copyrighted
>Secondly, artists just use it as assist for them, if they even needed it
I can imagine a very small indie team that doesn't really give a shit about the characters and such not caring about copyright or the final polish of the characters.

>>6582621
automation doesn't really lead to better lives for people.
when we first automated labor it meant now people had to work soullesss office jobs doing meaningless work and working in retail and food service
plus, its not even the automation that was the real job killer, that was a red herring. it was outsourcing
and thats gonna happen with ai too

>>6582660
>I can imagine a very small indie team that doesn't really give a shit about the characters and such not caring about copyright or the final polish of the characters.
think more like a company will use ai to make it faster to make asset flips and shovelware that they'll spam everywhere.

>>6582660
>. These things aren't as random as people like to imagine, and tend to spit out the same sort of responses as frequently as possible. Not to mention it is just a mashup of what has come before, rather than something new.
This becomes very clear when you see a character-focused picture shitter for a character of whom there aren't very many possible input images. The only "passable" images that people post can be directly linked to the input images which led to their generation. Very strong "just trace from two or three other drawings and move some shit around" vibes.

>>6582664
office work is souless, no doubt, but I'd rather do that than back-breaking labour in the sweltering sun

Good morning sirs

>>6582450
>I'd rather wade through shit in a sewer than touch anything AI-related

>>6582564
based & tradpilled.

>>6582660
> stagnate culturally and artistically.
We already fucking did. We shame any European culture, we don't push people to learn how to innovate or invent. We are destroying cultural buildings and jobs. Traditions are now not inclusive enough so we don't celebrate them the same anymore. We let our cities be runned by diversity instead countries are changing their culture for people coming into them. Art was dead a long time ago, half of ic copies some random asian artist and other half is trying to do cringy cartoons. No one actually innovated anything new with art in a long ass time. We are just reproducing shit that isn't even from our culture.

>>6582660
Its already happening, it just happens that legislation is fuckall slow as fuck compared to how fast and unregulated AI is evolving. Its like the wild-west internet all over again, but with a lot more potential harm if done without caution.
>>6582679
How do you "innovate" art then? That's like asking people to invent a totally new color

>>6582660
>One thing I've stated over and over is how we're going to stagnate culturally and artistically.
Spengler predicted this. It's quite fitting that Faustian civilization goes through this stage with AI shitting out infinite slop.

>>6582686
>How do you "innovate" art then? That's like asking people to invent a totally new color
there's nothing else, unless you do a mashup like how degas and mucha combined japanese forms with the western to create something new. but even here, it's all been done before. potential exhausted.

>>6582699
I do think its possible to innovate art. Abstraction, the creation and recognition of new mediums, the return to forms etc etc. Like it or not, doing art is now more accessible than ever (not referring to AI, but you get the point) and any new "innovation" is just bound to be reproduced to hell and back.

Good morning sirs
Remember to ask AI posters to post their work or ignore the thread otherwise

>>6582686
Art movements were there but we fucked up by making it all global and digital based. At this point it's more of new mediums of art and less about style.

>>6582278
This, finally trad chads are gonna be respected

>>6582686
>Its already happening, it just happens that legislation is fuckall slow as fuck compared to how fast and unregulated AI is evolving.
True, we also have those lawsuits (when do those happen?), depending on the results of those, that will greatly effect things going forward too.

>>6582686
>you now realize the ultimate goal wasn't making money from the AIshit itself, but selling the products designed to combat and detect AIshit
Well played.

>>6582718
The corpo's ultimate goal is to make as much money (alongside power and influence) with AI in its current unregulated ever-evolving state. Its all about softening the blow for us here. The most viable combat option we have now is to urge governments to regulate how AI is used as well as set a culture on how it should be used (think augmenting humans over replacing humans). Also AI detection is free.

>>6582721
Oh I'm just saying that the inevitable result will be that the companies who made the things will offer the solution for people's irritation with them. Oh you're afraid of an AI voice scam call? Here's an program which will detect inconsistencies in the vocal pattern which are potentially indicative of AI voice.

>>6582264
How many times are you gonna repost this?
And Drama threads are against the rules, jannies do your fucking job.

>>6582603
Exactly, normies are unable to see even the most obvious things, they just care about memes and the “new hot trend”, if we don’t show them the actual outcome of this, they’ll still be happy using AIs while it replaces them too.

It’s not that AI won’t create new jobs, it’s just that it will requite much less people to do way more than the actual demand, leading to a huge portion of the society being unemployed.

People need to get mad and riot against AI abuse, we need to force legislation to ensure a minimum human worker quota or some kind of UBI, if they really want to automate absolutely everything.

>>6582281
Good. Lie down with jeets, wake up with poo.

>>6582264
>What are the implications of AI eating artist jobs?
it's going to be the same kind of development photography did for art. Photography removed a large chunk of the "do what you see", AI will remove a large chunk of "do what I tell you".

These were not creative people to begin with, that's why we won't miss them. Yes, in copying something you see or doing something you're told to do, every result is the same and unique and has an artist's signature; but so is every fart also.

Art needs to be a fundamentally creative process, meaning it needs to ask questions, explore themes and emotions. None of this is taught when you grind fundamentals, which is why most people ITT are seething. When AI finally matures, wowing people with technical skill won't be enough any more( and technical skill are not creative skill to begin with ), you actually will have to evoke an emotion, move something inside the audience to be successful.

>>6582743
tl;dr rich fags who throw red pain on a canvas and sell for millions to retarded fartsniffers will be the only ones who can achieve and financially sustain an art career.

>>6582270
>they/them
Kys

>>6582749
That, or build an audience around yourself and find people willing to shell out a few dollars every month for your patreon.The commission industry will probably continue to exist but the only ones who will thrive are mid level - high level artists

>>6582749
I hope not. Maybe we will instead move into an era where soul is king and no amount of technical mastery can cope

>>6582751
dumb esl.

There still hasnt been one single artist that has provided actual proof they work in the industry and lost their job to aritifical image generators. Nothing but fake reddit story screenshots. I'm pretty sure people are getting paid to make them up because they almost read like advertisements

>>6582763
It will continue. Fine art has always been a modern day joke. Indie has always been the way to go, provided that you know how to connect with people

>>6582621
>Some form of ubi will be needed of course
You will never have UBI, and you will never be a real woman. Dilate.

You anons should look up a book called Ideas Have Consequence. Nominalism is the root of all this evil. As artists the best thing we can do, for ourselves and our art, is reject it.

>>6582836
>Consequences*

>>6582264
>yet another bait thread
OP guzzles cum

>>6582603
most normies want all of those things

>>6582326
https://youtu.be/-e1_QhJ1EhQ
stop gatekeeping physical labor, what about those of us who have disabilities and can't perform physical labor, physical labor has been democratized

>>6582763
Holy shit, this pic is too soulful to me

>>6582888
I can't believe people are still pretending this company is real. "In the future, nobody will be able to tell what is real or fake" because your average person is a fucking idiot that is easily fooled, apparently

>>6582603
is it naive to want the entire concept of jobs and wageslavery to finally die so that i can just sit down and fucking draw and never worry about money or food again because some kind of automated system's got you covered on those
>just want to draw but society says i need to join the workfoorce
fuck you

>>6583384
yes it is. you'll just see more of the current status quo except worse

>>6583171
I don't think these videos are cgi. But these demos are definitely scripted. Robot still seem to have a long way to go before they are useful in the real world

>>6583384
Nodraw here, I pirate all Patreon stuff that I fap to, I pirate all indie games I play, I do not give a fuck about artists and their finance. But I do give a fuck about people appreciating stuff. Art should be hobby, all forms of it, but it should be respected hobby that still could give you clout, just not give you money. Dont care you have to do shitty jobs like all of us, you will instead draw 1h per day instead of 6-10 when drawing payed for itself
Clout > Money
Self-fulfilment over hassle

>>6583467
>payed
Absolute wagiebrain.

>>6583467
that would be great if we didn't live in a world that forces you to wageslave. your idea would be valid if we allowed people to embark on these endeavors like we did once a time, but you are forced to cultivate currency or you will be socially shamed and told you are a waste of life. So your justification for stealing from others falls flat on it's face.

>>6583467
>Dont care you have to do shitty jobs like all of us, you will instead draw 1h per day instead of 6-10 when drawing payed for itself
People generally reach that status because they can draw for hours a day. It's why you see so many popular thirdworld artists on the internet, because selling online commissions for $50 a pop is a viable career, allowing them to be paid to draw all day.

>>6582264
Doesn't everyone become completely dependent on their government once every job is automized?

>>6583527
Quality of art is relative, average fag even 3 years ago could make that mogs majority of paintings in middle ages, because before renaissance there were basically no actual art standards

>>6582301
>>6582301
I think this is a campaign to get a /ai/ board by being as annoying as possible, it's Genius if that's the plan. Even /g/, the most pro AI board by definition, has anons using filters or begging for an /ai/, not because they hate the technology inherently but because AI has utterly flooded the board with tourists and glogged up the catalog. I do hope if we get an /ai/ board mods crack down on discussions outside the board like they cracked down on pony material.

>>6583467
>"I want less good art because my job sucks"

>>6583384
That's only possible in a post scarcity world. But I seriously doubt the people above will comply to shit like an actually functional UBI you can live off of. Its very hard to imagine a world without a job/form of wageslavery, especially now that we're living longer than ever before.
>>6583467
>You should be miserable for the rest of your life instead of trying to make money of the things you're good at and the things you actually like doing.
Remember that the best artists we've had in history are backed up by very very rich people and had all the time to develop their skills and the modern day equivalent is someone who can figure out the market + have relatively low costs of living (being a third worlder). 1h-3h a day is ngmi territory if you want to gud in less than 20 years.
>>6583557
Yes. Good luck convincing them to do automation taxes and UBI, thats commoonism

>>6583467
You are the reason why entertainment is shit now.

>>6583621
What's the difference between UBI and neetbux?

>>6583621
>Yes. Good luck convincing them to do automation taxes and UBI, thats commoonism
Every time someone brings up UBI in a serious discussion there is immediate whining about how taxing mega corps will "stifle innovation" and how unfair it is for the poor trillionaires to be taxed. We are fucked. First it was "you can't tax the rich because they create jobs" now they're automating all the jobs and coming up with new excuses for why it's ok for them to hoard money.

>>6583647
idk but neetbux sounds like its exclusively for the unemployed. UBI ideally, is indiscriminate and opt-out from the get go. You can still make money out doing whatever form of jobs, its just that everyone has the ability to afford basic human needs without any problem

>>6583653
>UBI
There's no such thing as a "free lunch". Relying on government for more than a justice system and national defense is a mistake.

>>6583659
Its easy to imagine things going horribly wrong (poorly handled social credit scores determining who gets UBI or not etc. etc). I seriously doubt we'll get UBI within the next two-three generations. Its all goyslop and devaluation of humanity from here on

>>6583681
In 2 generations there wont be any jobs left, I seriously doubt gen Alpha will ever have full time jobs

>>6583653
Define basic needs. Nobody will agree on what constitutes basic needs. Furthermore, every subsidy is a way of controlling people. If the government pays your medical bills, it can justify telling you what foods to eat, forcing you to exercise, etc. Same with UBI. You will eat ze bugs and be heppy.daatah

In reality UBI would just mean "you're given enough money to barely exist with no hope of improving your lot in life unless you'd already established yourself prior to the introduction of UBI"

>>6582673
i think i'd rather be making things instead of retail

>>6583768
as opposed to the average wagecuck given just barely enough money to exist with no hope of improving their situation in life unless their family established themselves prior to the corporate takeover of all business?

>>6583467
This sounds like a "don't monetize your hobby" crap honestly. If your "hobby" needs a boatload of time and skill to be really good at you might as well figure out how to make money out of it.

>>6582275
>>6582444
>can't be copyrighted
wrong

>>6584033
the additional graphics have to be curated. no matter how much you niggers try to obfuscate it, "latent diffusion" is just copy pasting with extra steps.

If you were doing it for the money all this time, you weren't a real artist.

>>6584082
>you shouldn't make money from your art, but you should just shut up and take it when OTHER people use your art for their own profits
Good morning sir.

>>6583467
>draw 1h per day instead of 6-10
Do you realize how little time that is? Paintings that took a day will take a week, paintings that took a week will take over a month. Projects like comics would never be finished, as something that takes years will take a lifetime. Not to mention how soul crushing wageslaving can be, hardly an environment to foster the creative spirit.

>>6584090
You can take the money if you want, just don't call yourself an artist afterwards.

>>6584095
If you can money if you want, just don’t call yourself a doctor afterwards.

>>6584082
>He doesn't know

>>6584082
All this time? You know artists don't start drawing because of money right? They'd have become bankers if they were after money.

I drew because I liked drawing. People started offering money in exchange for a drawing, win win.

>>6584113
Not a real artist, just a paint-pig for the pope.

Since the mad Jannie nuked it, I'll ask it here, Why would I commission an Artist for fan art or even Coom art of a specific character or IP when AI can now literally do it all for you virtually for free?
Like literally every fetish can be replicated by the AI. If I wanted to have an Anime rendition of the president fucking some hentai catgirl it's totally in the realm of possibilities.
I'm sorry I just don't see how artists can win in this scenario. I really think there needs to be some kinda way out for people who took this as a means of living.

>>6584058
The cope here is amazing only because it shows how tech illiterate most people are on AI. But I do challenge you to find any copied work in the weights or models of any AI (which would fucking defeat the entire idea of machine learning if that was the case).

Also if you feel bad or upset about AI, I shouldn't keep you down because even if you do lose your art job to AI just remember that you NEVER DID IT FOR FREE unlike the jannies and AI.

>>6584082
>He really doesn't know

>>6584123
AI will never be good at rendering stories and emotions without human touch since it doesnt directly interact with the world like us
At the end I think that doing a quality illustration with ai will be equally bothersome as if we drew it from the beginning

>>6584123
>which would fucking defeat the entire idea of machine learning if that was the case
>It's called a thing therefore it is the thing
Imagine seriously replying to somebody who is such a brainlet that they'd even consider making such an argument.

>>6584123
>I'm sorry I just don't see how artists can win in this scenario.
Where did your favorite character come from? Perhaps it was an artist who designed it? Where are the popular AI characters? Got any names? who wants ai fan art of an ai designed character?
The human element has immeasurable value.

>>6584123
All fun until you start asking practical questions, something AI cannot do because it lacks context about how the real world works. Besides, commfags like to support people they like and believe in. As long as the spirit of establishing communities remains I seriously doubt commissioned art will die off as a means of making money.

Also you sound like a nihilistic consoomer

>>6584123
Same reason people you don't buy bootleg garbage. Not that you'd get it since you enjoy consooming slop, AI tranny.

>>6584123
You like girls with 3-fingered hands, deformed eyes, and arms that bend backwards? Good.morning, sirs.

>>6584123
We know you weren't going to pay anyone anyway, pajeet.
>can now literally do it all for you virtually for free
Image generators can't even do correct composition of basic shapes.

>>6584154
He's progressive. Don't be so abelist. Deformed girls exist and need love too.

>>6584159
>Image generators can't even do correct composition of basic shapes
Like Pixar?

>>6584152
>As long as the spirit of establishing communities remains I seriously doubt commissioned art will die off as a means of making money.
Yes until these patrons discover a free method of getting exactly what they ask for instantaneously. I'm sure however their *loyalty* will prevail over any monetary savings and convenience (giggle)*.
>Also you sound like a nihilistic consoomer
I hate to break it you buddy but even artists rely on the patronage of consumers whether you see it or not.

>>6584227
Its why I added in nihilistic. People will care about other people and will find ways to support them whether you like it or not. Technocultists just cannot understand.

>>6584239
>People will care about other people and will find ways to support them whether you like it or not.

That still doesn't change the economics, who likes who is simply emotional.
Let me give you an example before photography there were artists who specialized in nothing but portraiture and it was a learned skill that one could do moderately well off with. When photography came these portraiture artists did not last. Sure there were people who wanted a portrait for the the novelty/bragging rights but the fundamental need/demand was gone. These artists did not last and the same thing will happen when AI art for comms becomes more mature.
You can cry, seethe and moan about how unfair it is, but I would recommend you accept the new reality of this paradigm shift now rather than later and move on to a new career or side hustle.

>>6584227
>getting what they want
>I want my favorite artists to eat and have shelter so they can draw what they want

>>6584249
Yeah and people are irrational emotional beings who are easily swayed with "hand crafted" and "authentic" goods. Commissioned art will still thrive for /mid/ and /high/ tier artists. There's always that person who's going to spend big bux on authentic Asanagi porn of his wife. Commissioned art has always been a form of luxury ever since the beginning of time and will always be.

>>6584249
>just shut up and go away for my convenience
Nah, proompters deserve all the harassment they get. Enjoy talking to your wife bots until you eventually neck yourself.

God I love opening 4chan just to see /ic/ seethe

https://yirusannportfolio.carrd.co/
would you pay 400$ for this quality anon?

>>6584249
>but I would recommend you accept the new reality of this paradigm shift now rather than later and move on to a new career or side hustle.
art shit side, it's so hilarious there are unironic NPCs who go through life with this mentality. I would've killed myself a million times if I was this pathetic, how do you do it? is it an iron will?

>>6584249
my favorite part is when AI cucks posts yet again some anatomical abomination as "proof" how good AI is, combined with their edgy anime villain rant. do you have no standards at all? I already despised weebtards for their shit taste, but this feels like actual brain damage

>>6584249
here we go with the fucking photography meme. do they hold standardized training for shills or something? I wouldn't expect a shill to care about art history.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20355339?mag=did-photography-really-kill-portrait-painting

>>6582264
>mobile "games"
Biggest cancer on earth. A game needs a challenge or conflict of some sort. When the challenge is almost completely proportional to how much money you give the developers it stops being local to the game itself which makes it not a game. It's like saying people who design slot machines for casinos are game artists. More like con-artists.

>>6584334
Funnily that’s what some workers likely said during Industrial Revolution, then they smashed some machines, got fired, and probably died of starvation or disease

>>6584358
Another AI nigger that doesn't know shit about history. So tiring.

>>6584334
this. there's a new "paradigm shift" every single fucking month because media needs something to report on. how these faggots haven't caught on to this by now is beyond me

>>6584360
>y-you are w-wrongggg!!! It was revealed to me during my public shitting session it wasn’t like that!!!

>>6584373
>Sperging out because he realized he was being retarded
sigh

>>6584336
>only the right shoulder and the horizon line are wrong
tick tock

>>6584356
>>6584361
there's no point arguing with a thing who'll happily embrace the pod life the WEF has planned for it

>>6584123
>court already said NO
>hurr durr the court is WRONG

>>6584610
it likes to pretend it would have commissionned anyone to begin with

>>6582264
If you are a digital artist and didn't immediately divest digital and switch exclusively to black and white pen and ink rendering when MJ hit the scene you're ngmi. Return to tradition.

>>6582888
That doesn't seem safe, what if he tossed that bag and the guy wasn't standing a few feet away?

>>6584615
>Return to tradition.
Ride a horse on the Interstate, too. Fuck modern times.

>>6584615
no one is going to switch back to trad, stop shilling this stupid fucking meme.

>>6584254
If going by the decent person analogy No one wants to see anyone lose their lively hoods or starve. But that doesn't change what's going to happen no matter how deep in the sand you put your head.

If you want me to make a prediction in the next 4 years of what will happen here goes,
Illustrators, animators and graphic designers will likely be the first to go and/or get completely remodeled in skill set becuase of AI. Most will likely be out of job or see huge decreases in income. Closely followed will be Bespoke commissions which is litterally the entire selling point of AI art. Last but not least will be fine artists and Trad artists but this will be a far slower effect. Trad and fine art will never go away however the market will become smaller and tighter with fewer and fewer artists operating at a very high level for very high value work. The bad thing from this is it's basically going to making getting your foot in the door as an artist to make a living basically nearly impossible.
I personally would not enter a creative career as a junior with all this disruption unless you understand it in its entirety.
>>6584610
You mean find copyrightable materials in AI weights? Sure buddy I'm sure the case on that one is fool proof.

>>6582331
what are their choices for alternatives?

>>6584328
Someone should make a LORA and or model on his work.

'nother thread
'nother kat

>>6584249
>>6584691
Anon you must tell me how you made that AIslop, I happen to love this artist's style

>>6584691
your speech is typical AI shill "just give up". it's thanks to golems like you when in a generation people will wonder "what happened to good cultural products" because no new blood or not enough of it will be injected.
>animators
please tell me how their profession will change, it amuses me.

>>6584707
NTA but aren't people on both sides kinda overdramatic? People behave like AI will replace everything and noone will draw anymore which is bullshit, people still need hobbies and drawing happens to be a relatively popular one, so even if there was no monetary incentive, people would still be drawing

>>6584227
>free method of getting exactly what they ask for instantaneously
>exactly
key word
AI can't do that, people may have a specific vision in mind.

>>6584712
https://sites.google.com/view/stablediffusion-with-brain/

>>6584713
Will take a long while to work well enough, if at all.

>>6584712
damn google has the bad not-photography market cornered!

>>6584714
that's not even considering the process of creating a picture/illustration which isn't "print finished picture from the brain unto the canvas"

>>6584714
It kind of makes me wonder, if you are a criminal, and they use it on you, and it happens to have something that'd depict a crime, could it act as evidence?

>>6584719
very unlikely, because I could say "dog riding a bicycle while juggling accordions" and a vague image of it would pop in your brain. it would be piss easy to orient the result

>>6584721
That's true

>>6584691
tldr "I want free stuff", no need to wrap your niggardly behavior in pseudo-intellectualism

>>6584724
Lmao, it's all about money as always. No more commissions for you.
>not that Anon

>>6584740
oh no, the person who never commission is..still not gonna commission. and no, it's not about my supposed greed, but Anon admitting he was a leech and keeps being one.

>>6584740
It's actually about the time money buys. So it is about time.
>draw 1h per day instead of 6-10

>>6584687
Literally
>>6584688
Honestly one of my greatest joys is dabbing on some digital "artist" sitting in the quad going "line, undo, line, undo, line, undo, line, undo, line, undo, line, undo" on a 98 dollar Huion tablet by blocking in and finishing a realistic-style pen and ink portrait of them in the time it took them it outline a single titty while rinotuna babbles at them in Korean like they fucking understand what a cylinder is. I hand it off to them and tell them they're inspiring. I rdgaf if they "ok boomer" me because my talent is in my hand and not in the Ctrl Z button.
>Pyw
Anon I haven't drawn digitally in years :^)

>>6582264
you will eat ze bugs
you will live in ze pod
you will listen to ze ai music
you will look at ze ai art
you will watch ze ai kino
you will jerk off to ze ai porn
you will talk to ze ai human
you will be very happy

>>6584754
>Pyw
>Anon I haven't drawn digitally in years :^)
Post this image then.
>finishing a realistic-style pen and ink portrait of them in the time it took them it outline a single titty

>>6584775
I unironically wouldn't mind talking with AI humans honestly

>>6584778
Over real humans? if so, you must be in a bad place...

>>6584786
I would say more as an alternative, especially given the text models have gigantic databases, the AI "human" would be really knowledgable, more so than the average person
Also it'd be even better if you were able to tailor the personality to your liking

>>6584754
does this image make you foam at the mouth?

>>6584789
I'm pretty sure looking things up on Google would be the same shit. Why do you think it's really special my nigga

>>6584802
Lets say I liked some concept that's somewhat hard to grasp, like dunno, quantum physics (I don't), it'd be really difficult to find someone else that understands it too, and now imagine you can make it speak like your favourite character
I feel it'd be pretty amazing, as long as you don't overdo it, and keep talking to real people too

>>6584802
>I'm pretty sure looking things up on Google
These days, not so much. Google has been getting shitter and shittier.
I agree with him, that going back and forth about specific subjects with AI is good, while being aware it hallucinates information often. I don't see it as talking with it, more like coaxing info from it.

>>6584813
>ake it speak like your favourite character
>I feel it'd be pretty amazing, as long as you don't overdo it, and keep talking to real people too
doesn't that get old... like almost immediately? I tried character.ai

why is this shitty AI thread still up but the AI bashing one immediately get deleted?

>>6584818
*actually, I do see the appeal, but would prefer it to happen in a context, like in a game world. I will definitely be talking to AI in games regularly in a few years.

>>6584818
I tried it out few months ago, I did like it, however it was far from perfect
But judging how quickly all this shit evolves, I wouldn't be surprised if they make it better one day

>>6582264
It doesn’t make much sense to me. He’s making sprites from 3d models which require rigging then goes on to say now he can rig even faster. There’s nothing to rig???? It reads to me like someone who doesn’t really understand how games are made trying to make 3d artists worried or something.

>>6584813
I rather look things up so that I can actually somewhat understands stuff then rely on something anyone could of fucked with. Then again I'm not sure how much fact checking you niggas actually do or care about.
Considering some y'all take anyone using means it "learning" from them

>>6584821
No fun* allowed

*Making fun of AI
This pattern of AI bashing threads being deleted...needs to stop. Stop oppressing our free speech! make 4chan free again! MFFA Muffugga!

>>6584830
Using it to break down programming stuff has been pretty reliable. Not so much doing all the coding itself, but explaining what each line does.

>>6584821
Because the OP is not blatant bait, that's the only post jannies check

>>6584778
>I unironically wouldn't mind talking with AI humans honestly
I'd rather talk to chat gpt than use google search.
Good AI art is better than average /ic art.

>>6584836
nah, any OP with bad news for AI bros is deleted.

>>6584858
Isn't all technology for saving labor? What's the problem?

>>6584865
some types of creative labor enriches culture.

>>6584865
No lol. Saving labor doesn't mean you work less. It means the rich elite has to pay you less.

>>6584844
You know you could say good AI art is google image searched art. Plus I know y'all don't even try to fix mistakes or notice them but pretend your improving even though if y'all say it will in time, how long do you niggas really have til that's considered outdated

>>6584872
Why don’t we just murder the rich elite and steal their shit? Not even the cops like the rich anymore.

>>6584892
Eat the rich? I wonder what muskrat tastes like.

>>6584900
I wonder how tight boypussy is if you know what I mean.

>>6584941
No I don't know what you mean. can you explain in explicit detail?

>>6584945
There must be some medication distribution supply chain problems. The effects are all over around here.

>>6582725
Honestly why don't we ask gobernmet to tax the living shit of AI use on companies?

I hate taxes, I hate AI and the state loves taxes.

Tell them that any company using AI to replace intelectual workers will be taxed 10x more than companies that generate jobs, then absolutely killing the potential usefulness of "it's cheaper".

can someone just tell me what's the point in teaching AI how to create art, music, etc.? Like what's the point? Just to prove it can?

It doesn't serve any real purpose for society. AI should be trained for menial tasks to help us in our daily life. How does making "art" help anyone???

>>6585007
democratize creativity. I have no talent, no asian genes, and no ligameme. I was never gonna make it without AI.

>>6585012
You’re still ngmi

>>6585007
>muh purpose for society
oh grow up and forget that nonsense. no one gives a fuck about the 'greater good' to society and never has.

>>6585015
>greater good
forget greater good. maybe teach AI how to cook me a turkey dinner. then i'll be impressed
instead efforts are going into programming AI how to make some digital picture or write a garbage poem.

>>6585015
"parasocial". Copium supply must be pretty low. Walgreen's is working on it.

>>6585003
Because OpenAi will cry about "stifling innovation" and the trickle down economics retards will go along with it

>>6585007
To demoralize humanity, to devalue qualities that set us apart from other species and destroy opportunities for people to make a life for themselves that they enjoy. A population of brainless consumers is much easier to control than people who think for themselves and strive to create something from nothing. Plus companies like Disney are vampires who want to drain money out of the economy while giving nothing back.

>>6585014
True. but at least I'm not totally alone in that now.

>>6585003
>Honestly why don't we ask gobernmet to tax the living shit of foreign worker use on companies?
>I hate taxes, I hate foreigners taking jobs away and the state loves taxes.
>Tell them that any company using foreigners overseas to replace intellectual workers will be taxed 10x more than companies that generate jobs, then absolutely killing the potential usefulness of "it's cheaper"
this is how stupid you sound. they will literally just move away, or if they're big enough just get a deal to evade paying those retarded taxes anyway.
Imagine unironically thinking you stand a chance against corpos who prioritize efficiency post industrial-revolution

>>6585028
Oh great, and what good is a society when 99% of people are unemployed?

Even if for some time I have been a trickle down economics fag, this is one of the rare cases where heavy statal regulation is needed.

>>6585032
>heavy statal regulation is needed
No. Personal responsibility is.

>>6585007
>Just to prove it can?
Pretty much. scientists are very Faustian, they operate on a "shoot first, ask questions later" logic. Also this type of machine learning was technically a side effect, the true original goal of this technology was so self driving cars could understand the environment around them.

>>6585034
> 2025
> Oh goyim, you need to save all your money to be able to go to a college and have a decent job
> Waste thousands of dolaridoos on an education system that is a scam
> 2031
> Job? Oh sorry we just let GTP-6 do all the work here, should have learned to weld kiddo
> Welding? You should learn how to code, the AIs need code.
> Code? It codes itself, have you tried prostitution?
> The sexbots do it better.

>>6585034
Delusional

>>6585007
in order to create a true AI, or AGI, it needs to see and understand the world and contents of images ect, its a piece of the puzzle for the super brain that is the coming AGI

>>6585038
>>6585040
What happened the last time we let a bad, failed artist take over a major Western country and impose socialism?

>>6585032
>and what good is a society when 99% of people are unemployed?
that's literally impossible for America, especially under the conditions given. quit your pipe dream.

>>6585052
It's not a dream anon, it's a nightmare.

AI use needs to be regulated, let alone it's development and training.

The consequences for mankind on this kind of shit are unheard of, so it be becomes a political question, not a technical one.

You need the society to participate and advocate on what are going to be the acceptable uses of this kind of thing, and of course this involves the lobbying of easily paid for parasites that makes the laws, but still, people need to intervene right here and right now, before everyone loses control of society once it gets too advanced too fast with no supervision.

>>6585063
christ I hate you faggots with a burning passion. Even if your star trek fantasy of AI replacing all jobs was anywhere close to reality, it just amazes me how you faggots are so attached to wagecucking you think this would be a bad thing. If le robots could actually replace labor, that would be great. Finally we could be released from the shackles of corporate wageslavery, free to indulge in the arts, spend time in nature, with family. But no, you faggots would rather push concrete or papers for mr.shekelberg because apparently that's where humans are most fufilled.

>>6585070
i used to think this too but this is so naive since it's turning out that labour is the hardest thing automate. what the fuck are we all going to be doing with this technology? mining cobalt?

>>6585078
which is why I called it a star trek fantasy. what these faggots miss every single time, is that these machines will NEVER reach price parity with a meth-ed up meatbag running on a double quarter pounder and coke. You are not going to have a self-driving semi truck deliver a 3d printer to a jobsite that will replace a roof. There is no possible way to make the resource cost balance out. These retards think electricity just phases out of thin air at the outlet, they think robots never need any kind of maintience, they even have this odd cope like machines will just maintain themselves, as if that changes the fact that it's ridiculously expensive materials wise to have these machines in the first place, self-operable or now. I'm kind of rambling but there is just so much to be said about the hubris of these retards that have never worked a manual labor job once in their lives, let alone step outside and witness it

>>6585090
Just because maybe the software won't be advanced enough to do all these kinds of jobs in an economically sustainable in a close future, doesn't means it can't be abused for economic and worker exploit right now in the next 5 to 10 years.

Never before in the story of mankind, a man's labour could be used to make this man unemployed, with AIs training on the work of people without consent, this is a close reality.

Companies will rush to grab the fruits of the regulatory wild west, but it doesn't means we have to leave it completely free of shackles, it's not a tech issue, it's a societal one.

>>6584691
Game is already over, bob
Court says it's uncopyrightable therefore the big investors cannot come.

It's already over.
AI art is just a meme cope

>>6585135
I care less about art than anything else.

Art is art, some rich fucker will always pay some unknown furry artist an unspeakable amount of money to draw his character getting fucked by horses.

Autists will always recluse in their moms basement and shit out some handcrafted masterpieces time to time.

99% of everything in the internet is shit if and will continue to be shit, AI will just potentially flood every single platform with shit and endless shit until the eyes can see, 1% will be worth it.

Is the other intelectual jobs and fields that scare me.

>>6585135
>Court says it's uncopyrightable
citation?

>>6584711
I'll die on the hill that money is a powerful incentive for creators to continue making the best craft they could possibly make. You can be a really good hobbyist, they just are not gonna match up with someone who does their craft for a living. And you absolutely do not want to lose that part of human culture.

>>6585220
Because you're a corporate bootlicker.
The difference between a "professional" and a "hobbyist" is not the motivation of making making but that the professional usually spends more time drawing than the hobbyist.
Money isn't real. More free time for humanity is always good but we have to regulate AI because capitalists want to fuck us over more than they already have.

>>6585220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZlmNDfuDw

>>6585165
>unspeakable amount of money
HAHAHAHAHA
My fucking sides!

NEWFLASH COCKSUCKER!

There's an infinite amount of AI artists
But there's only a finite amount of people who would commission AI art
Results?
Price would CRASH

There would be ZEEEEERRRROOOOOOO money for your kind

>>6585183

>>6585254
Not him, but while I agree with you about some parts, humans need incentive to produce things. Everybody wanna be useful and needed, even in artistic fields. If you write books you want them to be read by people, you want to make people dream. Same kind of shit if you draw.

So even in the most positive outcome like having UBI and having free time, if AI produce the best art, the best books, the best everything, we'll just have millions of people feeling empty and having existential crisis.

>>6582264
Artists and art "jobs" don't matter. We're better off without entitled art faggots anyway. The real issue is going to be when AI starts taking over real jobs.

>>6585274
Yes I agree but money is not an incentive with a positive effect. Using AI for creative tasks needs to be harshly regulated.
The ultimate incentive for creative actions is the creative act in itself or to express feelings/thoughts and share it with other people. That is the only incentive that is needed to create something beautiful and qualitative.

>>6585272
That's not a "court". Nice try though. Copyright Office later said it was okay if not purely "pushing a button.

>>6585297
>>6585165

"Artists" will be fine because of the very nature of what art, and the entertainment industry is, you get money by doing something Different from your competition, that's much what creative products are.

AI turning everything into the same endless shit has absolutely zero value for anything creative, therefore artists will always be needed and preferred.

>>6585297
>real jobs
Define.

>>6585297
>The real issue is going to be when AI starts taking over real jobs.
You're an idiot.
That is actually when the fixing of real issues would likely begin. When people are barely surviving because their job got replaced by a machine and they got nothing out of it, maybe people would finally wake up and realize that technological progress should benefit everybody instead of just the richest 1%.

Push for automation of physical and other tedious labor, not for the automation of creativity and the human condition.

>>6585123
Yep. It's why you see faggots mocking the very same artists whose work they're using to make "their" picture shitters. Exact same mindset as thieves and bootleggers.

>>6585316
You are not allowed to monetize the work of other people just because you found it on the internet is basically what I mean.

>>6585303
>a case that run for 3 months
>not a "court"

Keep coping, baby

>>6584033
Do you know what "additional image" and "derivative" means?

>>6585345
I agree, I was just pointing out the level of malice that seems to go on with a lot of the vocal users of this crap ("Yeah I trained and distributed a program designed to shit out glorified, filtered traces of your work, there's nothing you can do, I used the very things you shared with the world in a targeted effort to make you obsolete"). They keep using the "but artists use reference" talking point as a defense, but they're willfully ignoring that this is new technology which directly uses the digital data of artists' works and creates new scenarios for abuse on a scale which didn't exist prior.

>>6585364
Think of it as a re-imagined cover song.

>>6585365
Covers can work without the original, AI literally needs the original.

Is more sampling than cover actually.

>>6585364
they also disregard that AI isn't a human brain so the comparison is moot. it isn't a person either so it has no rights.
my simple mind sees two scenario: first one is AI products can be copyrighted despite what is fed to them which end up self-defeating as any bozo could run anything AI-produced through another AI to slightly alter it and benefit from it. they could add a lot of exception but my intuition tells me it'd loop back up to the conclusion you can't feed copyrighted material to an AI and thus granting human artists the protection that was being circumvented by the gray area we are currently in.
The other option is the decision to make AI-produced product impossible to copyright is confirmed and written in law regardless of its supposed transformative nature thus removing any financial incentive to creating such works.

>>6585376
The road forward will be to emphasize the use of artists and unique styles and concepts on the creation of products.

Otherwise you're shit will be compared to AI generated art, which, is not a compliment.

>>6585365
Think of it as my foot kicking you in the balls!

>>6585298
Just don't expect hand-crafted masterpieces to come in cheap if you want it custom made for you by an actual human being. Humans will always ask some form compensation for their work, especially if they put in a lot of time and effort in the creation and the honing of their craft. There's a reason why hand-crafted goods can potentially sell for more even if their mass-produced counterparts are just as good.

Money as incentive has its ups and downs, but don't deny its capability to drive artists forward. Ultimately the artists who become the best at what they're doing (can create something beautiful and of actual value) are the ones who can spend as much time as they could with the craft (they do not have to worry about meeting their needs and the occasional wants). Literally anyone can express their thoughts and feelings (unless you're not human), its just that doing it better takes skill, and getting those skills need a shitload of time and effort. AI is going to devalue those pursuits, unless somehow as a society we start to value human effort very differently.

>>6585007
it's literally just a marketing scheme so these companies can fish for acquisitions and buyouts from FAANG.

>>6584123
When i commissioned an artist, i did it because i was impressed by the skill. It was a real painting, made by a real skilled person, for me. You've gotta realize that people like me will always exist, and we won't appreciate when some hack like you tries to trick us

>another ai thread about to reach bumplimit
you mouth breathing retards deserve this.

>>6585409
what do you expect? the board is slow af, AIfag constantly bump it and jannies are either snoozing or in league with /g/

>>6585411
I think 2 daily threads arguing about AI is the quota. The new normal.

>>6585405
Eye see you

>>6585391
You're thinking too much about money. Money matters in our capitalist society for survival and for comfort, but in reality it doesn't matter. Money and capitalism limits creativity. I was talking about a (potential) future where people have more free time to follow whatever they like to do including drawing and painting. People would not stop becoming masters of what they like to do just because they don't have the incentive of money. The ultimate incentive is the act itself and expressing yourself to the world. People don't have to be in a hamster wheel to refine their craft and be productive. They only need freedom.

Also to be realistic, AI is not going to devalue art for the foreseeable future because it still sucks and is still a copypasting and filtering machine.

>>6585411
The fuckers constantly bump it.

Even if you ignore it they will just samefag until the thread gets to page 1.

>>6585409
>>6585413
>>6585411
I do wonder if Hiroshimoot isn't being paid to let these threads stay up. Even on /co they let some generated video thread stay up, even though the OP video was simulated live action and 90% of the posts were aggressive troll posts.

>>6585411
>>6585409
It takes only 2 anons shitposting back and forth to reach bump limit in 5 hours
Threa'ds been up for 2 days

Activity=! Popularity

What matters is the nature of the entire board.
Much of /ic/ don't really care.
In fact, activity in these threads have been dying as people come to the conclusion that AI art really is not going to be a threat and life returns back to normal in a few months

Best to get back to studying

>>6585421
I notice some threads get auto sage before.
Reminder: sage goes in all fields.

>>6585416
>A (potential) future where people have more free time to follow whatever they like to do.
Only if the bigger people allow it to happen. They said that with automation before, but we ended up with more alienating jobs people despise because as it turns out the other big guy wants to churn out more work for more profit and gain competitive advantage within the market.

I have cynical views on how badly the future can end up being, with the worst one being that AI reaches a very high peak and does far better than any human artist out there churning out high-quality content. Consider >>6585274. Artists want their craft to matter, and in an unregulated AI future where content can be churned out in an instant, their efforts matter less and less because a machine can do it better in many ways. You absolutely do not want the ending where human expression is completely outsourced to AI.

>>6585458
This was touched on before.

Art has inherent value because it's handcrafted, make it machine made and it becomes worthless in a second.

>>6585458
>>6585463
Listen up the two of you:

No matter how great AI art looks, once you said that it is AI, value disappears because the artist is just as important as the art when it comes to value

This biasedness hardwired in our biological traits

People wanted human art because art is an evolutionary trait that keeps society harmonious

People are more socially active in an aesthetic and musical environment.

Once food and safety are met, social harmony via art is the next concern. No one wants art from a robot because it is not part of society

Creating art is easily the single most advanced form of communcation we have.
Art is an advanced way of saying that you and I are brothers with similar tastes, culture, and goal in mind

Such is also why the name of the artist is easily more valueable than the art itself.
You are not buying the image.
You are paying to communicate with that person.

And this perception is not just limited to art, mind you
You can also see this in the perception of money

Money is not just image on paper.
It's a representation of the countrie's economic power and the political and military power to enforce that value

It was not the image that made it valuable. It was who created it

Just now I asked the artist of Helltaker to commission me a set of images of Azuki from Nekopara drawn in his style (Helltaker). He was asking something like $200 to $500!!
So I just use an AI with LORA/fine tuned model to do it for me for free!
This commission grift gravy train is OVER.

>>6585543
Killing yourself is free too.

>>6585543
Based.
>>6585547
Cringe.

>>6585548
>t. samefag shill

>>6585543
congrats, you have a pale imitation. don't act like you were going to commission anyway.

>>6585548
Thanks, the model still needs work obv. but I feel its a far better alternative to dealing with the inconvience of commissioning.
Its not even a money thing, dealing with the ordeal of getting an artist to commission is the real cost. Often there is drama, histrionic behavior and extreme ego.

>>6585553
He makes a very good point, normies will not care whether or not the model is 100% as long as it provides content. In other words, he is pirating a bootleg version just like you cocksuckers do on every book/video thread and with software.

>>6585559
He's poor?

>>6585557
>dealing with the ordeal of getting an artist to commission is the real cost. Often there is drama, histrionic behavior, and extreme ego.
Excuses lol
People commission popular artists because they want to share their limelight.
It was never about the image

Do you think that people wear brand clothing because they are durable, pretty, and comfy?

AI art is no different from that.
It's just a bootleg version. And like all bootlegs, it never posed any real threat to the original

>>6585563
>never posed any real threat to the original
>t. increasingly nervous glaze subscriber.

>>6585566
I honestly never felt anything.
No matter how hard you shill it, it ain't going no where

>>6585569
I'm very happy for him, he got what he want and learned how to utilize a new tool. I hope there will be more like him the world needs more creativity, not paywalls.

>Implying artists will use glaze and any AI protection tools
Yeah keep churning thousands of your masterpiece, best quality, 1girl, nude, greg rutkowski and maybe even make a gallery of your iterations on sadpanda. I am definitely sure that me and many other anons out there would look inside of the gallery you curated using AI and appreciate the porn you made.

>>6585557
>"t-two more weeks of tweaking bro"
>>6585559
he (You) makes a poor point. normies can swing either way and content fatigue is a very real thing, even for normies. sexondly not matter how fine-tuned you model is (disregarding the fact AI absolutely ducks at linework), it will still be seen as a knock-off, it's just leeching off the original, not replacing it.
>>6585566
AIfags can't get into their heads their spamming and gloating is what makes people tell them to fuck off.

>>6585572
>tool
what did he (that is you samefag-kun) create?

>>6585580
He created a piece of visual art that would have only been a concept if it wasn't for the tool he used no different from a brush or drawing utensil.

>>6585584
>created
*generated

>>6585557
>Often there is drama, histrionic behavior and extreme ego.
What's it like having no self awareness? Also, lol that face

>>6585584
he didn't create anything, no more than you cooked the meal you ordered at a restaurant. your tool comparison is completely incorrect.

>>6585559
>how do you do, fellow artists?

>>6585572
I didn't realize pencil and paper were so expensive.

>>6585557
is this a veiled attempt at having a drawfag make the artwork you want by goading them with crude copies?

Hehehe, they don't even know this is probably the most attention I'll ever get with my generated works

>>6585588
Normies do not care who cooks the steak as long as they get steak. In his case he gets practically unlimited content at his fingertips without the need to be price gouged at the steakhouse with some asshole that thinks he's being clever by sprinkling salt on a rib eye that's already been cut.

>>6585576
I'm not any of these people, i'm just a military dude obsessed with Japanese cat girl art and the novelty of it.
>>6585559
Is it really a pirate/bootleg when the output is near, at or may even exceed the desired result?

Trolling aside I understand the concept of branding and authenticity, how people want that *name*. There is a clear line between copying/bootlegging which is illegal/unethical and creating something new. I am arguing that AI does not copy and if it did I would personally would not use it. I would also argue that in the definition of machine learning that copying would defy/cheat what is AI/ML.

>>6585602
Yeah, buddy
Might want to look at site activity>>6582281

>>6585602
>go to restaurant
>order steak
>paid $50 for what was actually a microwaved frozen steak
>you're okay with this because at least you got steak
Cuck mentality.

>>6585603
>Is it really a pirate/bootleg when the output is near, at or may even exceed the desired result?
At that point the content being produced would be it's very own. I suggested you were pirating because you said you saved yourself from being charged an arm and a leg by using the Ai as a tool and medium to produce the desired content by essentially cutting the middle man.

You can tell they are pajeet sshilling because they think they are threatening us with their deformed anime girls drawings. No one wants AI, not even AIniggers themselves, that's why they have to false flag as fake commissioners when we know they are shitposting from a mud house in the middle of nowhere, India.

>>6585576
>"t-two more weeks of tweaking bro"

Hey man I'm trying, Prompting is hard, not to mention getting all the settings, upscalers and embedding right and hoping it goes right.

You could say... it's an art unto itself...

>>6585468
>Once food and safety are met, social harmony via art is the next concern.
That's an interesting point. I agree, art (painting, music, handicraft, dance, writing, etc.) basically comes after the needs for survival are abundantly met. It is what humans are good at and should be doing.
>And this perception is not just limited to art, mind you
>You can also see this in the perception of money
Now you lost me though. Did you seriously compare art to money? Literal idiot.

>>6585614
now proompt her in perspective, full body, interacting with an object

>>6585607
More like
>Not go to restaurant
>Cook steak
>Pay a nominal fee for cooking with the stove
>It's still steak but without the mark ups

>>6585613
>a pod in the middle of Silicon Valley
Fixed.

>>6585618
Cooking steak requires you to actually cook the steak which undermines your retarded analogy.

>>6585622
There's more than one way to cook(skin) a cat.

You will remain an artist
You will connect with your audience
You will make many beautiful stories with the characters you make and/or like
You will create something of value with your very own hands and your very own mind
You will thrive with your creations
You will have authority over your works

Be an artist, embrace it, and you will be guaranteed happiness and fulfillment

Hey

So basically I'm just not gonna use it (the AI!!)

I know..... UGH, I know... I'm SORRY!!!!!!!!!!

It's just that I'm not gonna be using it is all!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>6585637
Do you always act like this much of a faggot in life and online anon

>>6585593
you're welcome to try.
>>6585617
aww geez you know I'm just not that good of an artist you know still working on basic fundies..

>>6585645
I say your better off working on the streets for much you love sucking AI non existent cock. You post like the people just giving smug anime faces as a rebuttal and it seem you always come here just to bump your shit threads and same fag

Well you all have a good night! I personally if I was digital artist would not get hemmed up over AI unless you make most of your income from commissions or you are doing commercial illustration etc.

>>6582278
100% this. It will happen. It is happening right in fron of our eyes

AI is fantastic. I dont even have to commission anyone anymore. Say, i wan a drawing made by sciamano240, i can just AI one for myself. There is a model specifically trained to create in his style. Artists are actually done for

>>6585614
I'll humor your retardation one last time. your prompting is nothing without the origknal artists and two fags following the same prompt recipe will have more than similar result, there isn't skill to factor. it's also why proompters are starting to jealously guard their recipe, because any bozo can get that result with the gayekep knowledge. you pretending it requires skill, effort or artisty is peak laziness and/or indolence

>>6585852
not that anon but you really need to stop drinking the midjourney kool-aid.
Running a local instance of sd you can take an original sketch/lineart and work it in tandem with a text prompt to "coplete" it. Do this in parts and you can take all of those assets to photoshop and create a composite, which you can then either manually blend together or run through img2img to get the AI to mesh it for you and then take it back to photoshop and clean up random minor details.
This is literally the future and there's going to be a point in the next year or two where a large number of "mixed digital artists" that use standard digital multimedia tools and AI generation to create work that will make it pretty hard to say "w-w-well you just typed in some words and got magic!"

>>6585557
>Often there is drama, histrionic behavior and extreme ego.
Because the average AI tranny is so, so much better behaved!
You guys have only been around for like 3 months and everyone loves you already!

>>6585904
we're talking about a nigger trying to make a facsimile X artists to get pseudo commission. stip muddying the waters by putting proompters and actual artists in the same basket.
>take an original sketch/lineart and work it in tandem with a text prompt to "coplete" it.
gg the piece is not yours
>run through img2img
gg it's even less yours. you're a proompter with extra steps.
if you let the machine do color/lighting/composition you have already failed. the only thing you could reasonably accept while keeping artistic integrity is using it for the fine rendering phase.
>clean up random minir details
that lie keep getting brought forward

>>6585946
Remember: You do not ever want a future where all forms of thinking is outsourced to AI because it's convenient

>>6582281
Yep, the weakness of AI is that it replaces the consumer as well as the producer of information. If all Twitter is bots it has no value anymore.

>>6586079
I mean.. why? It already is in some ways.

>>6585007
Tech bros don't solve people's problems anymore, they're bugmen paid by corporations to brainstorm ways to rot our society and torment working stiffs to make money, a monitoring system that punishes a call center worker for being a minute over their break doesn't help the average man, but it improves productivityTM at the expense of the workers sanity.

>>6586714
I know people in management who have enormous boners just itching to fire their workers/creatives and replace them with AI. There are savings in the millions here.
That is your fault for putting loyaty into a public corporation which by the way are made of people who are working and productive.

>>6585814
Always funny to see braindead AIfags try to somehow equate this to cars replacing le horse and buggy.

>>6582603
>AI produces an abundance of all goods
>You will have free time to pursue your hobbies and interest
>And you will be happy

nooo it's so dystopian bros

>>6587976
This was predicted years ago that AI is better at abstract and creative tasks. The fact you picked a career that is so vulnerable to AI (Art) is your own fault. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

>>6582264
Hasn't happened yet unless you're a commissionfag, I guess.

>>6582264
did you know this post ended up being fake? it was created by chatgpt even.

>>6587259
Explain how it isn't, philistine.