/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

And a new addition, platforms to host your manga:

>Manga Plus Creators by Shueisha
https://medibang.com/mpc/

>Webtoons
https://www.webtoons.com/en/

>Tapas
https://tapas.io

>ComicFury
https://comicfury.com

>GlobalComix
https://globalcomix.com

>Medibang
https://medibang.com

>Pixiv
https://www.pixiv.net/en/

>Mangadex
https://mangadex.org

>Twitter
https://twitter.com

>Tumblr
https://www.tumblr.com

>DeviantArt
https://www.deviantart.com

>Your own website

Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma19-overflowing-tears-silent-manga-audition/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

How (You) can help /mmg/:

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OP image is from the manga Million Joe. You can read it here: https://mangadex.org/title/c9bf75ba-bf9c-445e-ab33-6eed9d4ef862/million-joe

Thread questionnaire time:
How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Do you prefer series that are If you were serialised would you chose weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»?
What is your favorite genre of manga?
What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
What manga have you been reading recently?
Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?

OP image is from the manga Million Joe. You can read it here: https://mangadex.org/title/c9bf75ba-bf9c-445e-ab33-6eed9d4ef862/million-joe

Thread questionnaire time:
How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
What is your favorite genre of manga?
What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
What manga have you been reading recently?
Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?

>>6551148
which one of these is easiest to get popular, with just a plain good story?

>>6551169
Answering my own questions:
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Less than 10 volumes. 15 in the worst case scenario.
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
Monthly series are the ones I enjoy the most. When it’s weekly, I don’t feel like the plot is moving and the pacing can become really awful.
I’d love to do a monthly series but I’m sure I’d end up having a nonexistent release schedule.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
Right now it’s philosophical.
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
MC being OP from the beginning.
Also in my country most localised manga have their titles in English which annoys me a lot. Translate the title too!!
>What manga have you been reading recently?
Just finished Ping Ping by Taiyou Matsumoto. Good story, characterisation and extraordinary art.
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
Definitely analog as digital manga most of the time feels very stiff, false and sometimes uncanny. I only enjoy digitally drawn manga when the artist tries to make something unique and doesn’t try to replicate traditional art.

>>6551172
MPC has been surprisingly good for the cream rising to the top, just make sure you have an attractive cover.
...But then I can think of a few things that I consider really good that don't pull big numbers, despite being recognized as solid by the editorial team of the site and sticking it in the recommended works or whatever. Namely Naf's one-shots, Monotone_ink's one-shots, and a pretty clever series called Zealot I personally enjoyed.
Realistically, you should be uploading to as many of them as you can stomach. None of them are exclusive and only two of them have formatting requirements (Webtoons & tapas). The only limit here is how many of them you can personally be bothered to upload to each time you release something.

>>6551548
Thank you. MPC had a confusing website, but it looks like I’ll have to give it a solid study. Seems too good to be true, that a Japanese publishing company is looking for foreign manga

Can some of you guys explain what makes female characters likeable BESIDES coom? Or is it all just coom?

>>6551591
The same things that make any character likeable. If I tried to break it down in detail I'd be here all day; different traits can be likeable to different people, even flaws. Coom is just a bonus/additional appeal.

>>6551591
Watch fma or amy anime from p.a. works, i like their female character, but i don't know pin point what part of them exactly

>>6551591
The same thing that makes male characters likable.
They're the same thing.

>>6551591
Do you really only think of female characters in terms of their sexuality?
No matter how funny they are, or adventurous, or just generally endearing, none of that matters compared to how fuckable they are?...
Maybe the old folks were right, and pornography really is that bad for us.

>>6551591
Jesus fuck, I hope to god this is bait. If it's this hard for you to think about female characters without your dick you ought to stick to writing stories with an all-male cast or unironically quit porn altogether.

>>6551591

Anon, are you seriously saying that you cannot enjoy any female character in any universe (fictional or otherwise) without it being coom? Different characters that are girls can have different traits just like guys - looking good/sexy is just an added bonus (barring intentional shit like ecchi/porn).

Is 25 pages bi-monthly reasonable enough if I'm also learning pure illustration skills on the side, or it's better I put it on irregular release? I'm planning a 10 chapters thingy to do over the course of 1 year+ just as an excuse to improve my art skills (technical skill and detail, what I want to work on specifically needs good art and a especially fuckton of detail in things like spreads and some occasional character design) and writing skills but I'm starting making comics just now as an high beg/low int who is still learning.

>>6551881
>25 pages bi-monthly
It's definitely doable but don't expect to have a whole lot of spare time or energy to do anything else.

>>6551886
Okay then, on the art style side of things could you reccomend artists I could study from in terms of the detailed art I'm striving to delevop as well? Right now I'm doing master studies of Kotha Hirano, Hiroyuki Takei and Kazushi Hagiwara on occasion alongside 2 hours of fundies per day. I definitely need to doodle and draw for fun more but those last few weeks my life has been busy and I don't have much time to spare, but thankfully enough a week from now I'll finally have all the time I need.

>>6551890
I'm not going to recommend you anybody, because ultimately that's down to your own personal taste. Study artists you think are cool, I can't tell you what artists you think are cool.

>>6551138
What is a good book that explains how to draw manga on CSP?
Japanese only sources are also valid

>>6551923
Maedax YouTube channel has a lot of csp stuff.

How many pages does it take for someone to decide if they like a comic or not? Do these webtoons get popular only after 20 chapters or did they start big with just 1 chapter?

>>6552166
Webtoons asks it's "original" series to upload 3 chapters right up front, to give readers a chance to decide if they like it. That sounds about right, because Japanese publishers will run a 45-60 page one-shot before deciding if they will greenlight it as a series

>>6552797
I thought with webtoons it's 6 chapters so the latter 3 are fast pass available. Unless that's optional

>>6552837
They have you draw like 6 months of chapters in advance, but they release 3 at first, I think. I'm sure there's a fast pass option too.

The point is, you have very little time to hook your reader on a series. Start your main conflict relatively very quickly.

After being a fan since I was a teen, I'm finally reading the YYH Manga
This is a weird fucking art style and I suspect this was shittily translated.

I know Togashi was under immense pressure during this period, and I feel bad for him, but it did show in how he did some of this art. Some of the most impactful scenes in the anime are almost comical given his style and quality. All this to contrast his occasionally fantastic environments.

>>6553224
I can't speak for the anime but having read YYH for the first time relatively recently, I was floored by how terrible it was compared to the reputation it has. People suck it's cock like it's going out of style but I honestly thought it was a terrible manga. Funnily enough the art was the one thing about it I quite like the whole way through, but I like Togashi's hyperfocus on the raw line work and cartoony style. I was surprised because I like his other manga quite a lot, but YYH lacks the cleverness that defines his later works. And every time I express this opinion people get mad at me.

>>6553265
I haven't consumed any of his later works - I've heard HXH is fantastic and has a lot of the great parts of YYH, plus many years of experience, plus a whole lot more, but I can't judge it based on that. What I can say is that the anime is incredible. I've only watched the dub - it was what played here when I was young and it's probably the most charming English translation of anything I've ever consumed - and that the anime smoothes all the edges the manga has. It cuts a lot of the weird plots that don't go anywhere, the first and last arc, and therby the worst parts of the series, and has a lot cleaner storyboarding.

You can really tell Togashi didn't want to make an action manga with how he writes some of his fights, and while I have a problem with some of the brusque pacing in the anime, in the Manga, it's terrible. I love the story of YYH, but the manga is often more of a hinderance than a help.

All his males are cute at least.

>>6553292
If you plan on reading HxH, then be prepared for it to essentially feel like a ground-up re-working of YYH, because it's essentially what it is. It's a dramatic improvement on every front (except, maybe, artwork. It's not worse, but different, more polished).

>>6553300
Considering YYH is my favorite anime of all time - though, I suppose, not my favorite Manga - I'm more than happy to hear that. I was mostly reading it to see if I could crib art notes.

>>6553310
NTA but give HxH 1999 a chance
The eng dub is good too

>>6553376
damn that's beautiful

What sort of artist do you want to be, when you're all grown up?

>>6553510
dunno, a confident one I guess

>>6553510
Just want to be able to draw entire elaborate illustrations using only my mind and soul like Kim Jung Gi.

>>6553547
Me too man , same exact goal . Just wanna get into the flow and get high off of uninterrupted drawtime.

>>6553510
I just want to achieve murata level.

>>6553510
I just want to draw well enough to express my story to it's fullest potential. I'm collecting lots of hentai manga now, even though I don't want to drawn hentai myself, because the lewdest artists also (coincidentally) draw most expressively.

>>6551577
>>6551548
For MPC you have to format your comic in right to left, correct? The website is so confusing for me.

>>6553310
>>6553292
When you read HxH, prepare for the Chimera Ants arc, which is the greatest arc of shonen manga ever created on this earth.

>>6553510
A pleasant mix or Horikoshi, Miura and Monkey Punch

How embarrassing and cringe would be make an auto-biography oneshot about my life? I just feel that i'm stuck and i need to vent out and i feel like it would be a shitty suffering porn, so i didn't want to make it a one shot, i wanted to make a series, with a character that people bond over time and then do this arc as a flashback arc, but like a i said right now i'm stuck and my life is going to shit, so i wonder if would be the right call to actually make it as a oneshot right now, to at least do one thing in my life

>>6554333
incredibly cringe
especially if you have little experience telling stories
I had to do one as part of a portfolio and I rightfully cringe painfully whenever I look back at it

>>6554356
Really? I mean i said auto-biography, but it would be a story about a girl about to kill herself, and a ramdon guy joins her, then she the story would beging as a set of flashbacks

>>6554365
don't kill yourself anon

>>6554366
wow you just saved his life

>>6554356
I think it depends on what kind of genre it is and what the focus of the autobiography, like if it is an autobiography that is more based upon a hobby such as sports, music, art, anything with a specific goal or passion it’s not as cringe. Some manga have made vent work, but it has to be done in a way for the audience to relate to for other readers who are suicidal instead of the story just being treated as someone’s trauma dump to slap the reader in the face with it needs to be able to invite the reader in to share together the same feelings.

>>6554366
Actually i had written a larger first post, but it had a connection error, so i tried to copy all that i had written first, but i erased by mistake, the thing about the story i to show even with a lot of suffering is worth to keep trying at least one, i mean the one phrase that keep me going is gintoki "if you have time to think about a beautiful death, why don't you think about a beautiful life" and i wanna give that same kind of message to the reader, i wanna say them that if you wanna kill yourself, do it, but at least try to live your life once

working on a short story

>>6554411

newest batch of pages

>tapas:https://tapas.io/episode/2788422
>webtoon: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092
>mangadex: https://mangadex.org/title/77f67cab-3624-4e81-8663-bddfe7723282/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury

I think the next thing I need to start focusing on improving is perspective and backgrounds

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>>6554413
What's this sandman's story?
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>>6554454
I also think I want to try inking with a G-pen again. Does anyone have any good guides or advice so I don't spill ink splatters all over the place? What is the best brand to get? Does it matter a lot of I'm using a cheap g-pen and nibs compared to an expensive one or is it not that big a difference? For the latest pages I've used microns to ink and they're both expensive+it's hard to get the line variation I want compared to when I used to ink with a #2 brush

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>>6554464
last page of update

>>6554454
>What's this sandman's story?
I'm making a horror story for a challenge. I already had an idea to write horror stories about bogeymen, and I took the opportunity to start.

Oh yeah Im reading your comic, based servius.

>>6554163
There is currently no left-to-right display option. Only right-to-left or vertical, so if your comic is left-to-right you currently just upload it as vertical. Not ideal and we don't know if they plan on changing that, but they have been on a feedback-drive for the past few months.

>>6554333
It's only cringe if it's crappy. That's the truth. Nobody minds if a work is biographical if it's compelling, and not just the author self-fellating with a sob story. If you have to vent, that's what diaries are for.

Japan just started selling a manga that was fully made with AI we are fucking doomed

Been trying at effect backgrounds, no success so far.

>>6554459
I think people like the Nikko ones most, not sure how much of a difference the brand makes. I got a cheap speedball set recently (didn't come with a g-pen nib sadly) and it's been satisfactory for my skill level.
It's surprisingly easy to not make a huge mess, I read some calligraphy guides I found off a web search and follow common sense, don't overfill the pen, don't push into the page, don't gesticulate with the pen when it's full.

Has anyone here worked through Arthur Guptill's book? Has it helped your manga?

Trying to listen what anon just said 2-3 months ago here, i stopped using line as toning and use the regular dot instead~

>>6554460
>>6554459
These composition are neat, it is interesting
>>6555564
Only old senior super assistant nowadays capable to made such a thing lol, doubt they still exist...people just moved to tone paper (now digitally)

>>6553510
all grown up? I'm already fucking 30! Fuck!

>>6556149
I like knowing the techniques, and it's fun to try reproducing them, but I realize it's not economic. If I were really working on a manga I would use tones or go digital.

Unfiltered pain. I finally do a decent looking flash and I get an ink smear when I go draw the border around it.
I'm gonna have to touch it up in digital anyways. I could try a few more times but I think it's just procrastination at this point.

>>6556543
Gotta get rid of those hooks my man.

>>6556141
beautiful. wish i could draw like you

>>6556566
I know, hurts to look at them. Not sure what part of my arm movements are causing it, I gotta pay more attention while I'm drawing.

Low hanging fruit.
I'm done with these, the bear character died from cringe off-screen.

>>6556141
Lookin good my dude. I still say drawing the entire thing with the flat brush makes it feel "squished", but it's coming together well here despite that.

>>6556599
Protip: Use a thumbtack to pin a ruler to the center of the circle, then spin the ruler around

>>6556962
I was using a thumbtack, you can see the gross patch job I did with liquid paper to cover up the hole. The hooks were just from not keeping the pen against the ruler.

>>6556661
Try using some grey values on your first 3 panels. Just a simple 10-20% value as a light shadow. It's that, or I'd find excuses to paint in small black shapes here and there, so it's not so sparse.

>>6557265
Thanks, now that you pointed it out it does look kinda "bear".

Are there any actually skilled artists left in this thread or it's mostly still high-/beg/ level shit like
>>6554459 at best? I do care a lot about art quality in comics but the skill level in this thread just seems fucking low compared to a lot of shit that gets traction on webcomics sites or Twitter.

>>6557410

>>6557410
If there are they're probably drawing instead of posting here. Like we should all be doing right now.

>>6557410
I don’t want my name associated with this place, but yes, we still do lurk and give advice ;)

>>6557478
>I don’t want my name associated with this place
Why?

>>6557512

If you have to ask…

>>6557532
One of my favorite devs sometimes visits /vg/

It's not manga if a western person makes it

>>6557512
Benefits to openly associating with /ic/: You get compliments sometimes(?)
Potential downsides: Schizo/s decide to harass you, you'll get more hate than praise if you post enough to be "known", people could pretend to be you/start accusing you of samefagging and spread false rumors about you, could negatively affect your reputation among your peers or potential employers... and so on.
Fact is, even if the odds of that stuff happening are slim, there's no real benefit to come with the risk. No good comes with it, and bad things could potentially happen, so... why do it? I like to give anons advice, and I don't need to be constantly posting work and identifying myself all the time to do so.
Does it not make sense to you that the majority of people posting the work are the ones looking for critique?

>>6557512
Look at this thread. Most of anons here only complain about how they wanna start a comic but cant because god knows why. They really do believe they have a masterpiece of story in their minds and they only need to get a good art level to make it but the sad reality is their stories are as shit as their art. Aaand because they never tried to even write it down they will never realise and improve that.
Those same anons said how they like to bully people out of here, mainly girls. Just because they post their work.
Some post good advice and some just like to read but they abandoned this place after the last fujimoto posting on fucking/mmg/

>>6557791
If they only have the story in their minds then they don't have a story to begin with. Aaand if they don't have a story to begin with then it cannot be shit. Even if it was... every real writer knows the first draft is always garbage and needs to be carefully refined and edited into something good.

You yourself sound like an amateur cynical scrub.

>>6557791
I don't have any masterpieces in mind, just delirious day dreams during the day I'd like to get down on paper.

I don't know where the disconnect is desu, I can think of what I want to do, but breaking it down into sequential panels just makes my brain have a melt down. I've at least done a few lazy 4koma pages, but I'm not happy with them at all and usually delete them.

>>6557861
>If they only have the story in their minds then they don't have a story to begin with
You are the proof of how retard most of nodrawfags of /mmg/ are and you should go back to discord

Would you guys read a strip about a robot girl violently murdering aliens and demons in a post-apocalypse?

>>6558062
I'm stealing your idea, thanks :)

>>6551169
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Few thousand pages. Not sure exactly.
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
I don't have a preference, but a regular release schedule is best. Ultimately it doesn't matter once it's finished, and a lot of what I read is finished. If it was me, either bi-weekly or monthly would be ideal. Weekly is too little time but honestly monthly is pushing the attention-span a bit.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
Don't have one.
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
I'm not a big fan of overdoing it when it comes to leaving white space between the background and the characters. It's nice when it's just enough to help spot the characters and done when it's actually necessary, but I think it's not necessary a lot of the time. A properly designed character should be distinguishable from the environment the majority of the time even with the background drawn right up to the character.
>What manga have you been reading recently?
Just keeping up with CSM and Gash Bell currently, everything else I'm "reading" I'm content to let the chapters pile up. I should pick something finished up to read each day again.
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
I prefer the analog look, but if the digital is done well then I shouldn't be able to tell. Azuma Kyotarou's art is the perfect example of this.

>>6557410
Thanks for checking out my comic! I'll level up to low/int/ one day.

>>6554621
thanks for checking it out anon, appreciate it. I'm working hard to wrap up volume 3. I agree Servius is cool.

>>6558065
>:(

>>6554460
>>6554466

Bretty gud, anon.

Anyone remember that one manga about some demon loli girl who would fight using her kimono and she had blue hair and the artist would stream him working on pages on Youtube?

>>6558787
Tsugumono?

>>6559555
Ya, that one. Thanks.

>>6557410
how is that beg? to be BEG stands for BEGINNER, and that person has mileage. You can say their art is ugly but that's your opinion, I like it.

>>6557791
>they abandoned this place after the last fujimoto posting on fucking/mmg/
What happened?

>>6555489
source ? i'm curious to see how the fuck they managed that

>>6551169
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Probably a tight one shot / one volume manga
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
I honestly just want a consistent serialsation, there's something painful about having your favorite manga not having a new chapter for like years.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
Right now i've been on a fantasy and battle shonen binge
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
right now, i'd say when the fanservice is treated as more important than the storyline.
>What manga have you been reading recently?
I've been reading through Saltiness by FURUYA Minoru and Send my regards to Kenshiro by Jasmine Gyuh, both are really good manga, I wish the scanlation was faster on the latter.
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
Honestly, there's not really a lot of difference, it depends on what the artist does with it, although I prefer analog

>>6551138
Does anyone know the name of this marker? Even on high resolution I can't make out the brand

>>6562654
Hero 1N EPI Pen, iirc

I am so close of completing this chapter.

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>>6563397
https://wingsofdaera.cfw.me/

https://tapas.io/series/Wings-Of-Daera

subscribe to my comic and read it, make me happy pls

>>6560080
Beginner-tier, not literally. As in, quality has not moved past that stage even with time and practice.

>>6563847

By that logic One Piece is still /beg/ tier, anon. Have you SEEN how everything is drawn in that manga? Shit's all over the place.

>>6564040
I mean, Oda still has way more technical skills than that anon if you look at his finished illustrations rather than his average modern page, but It's not a fair comparison considering he's been in the industry for 20+ years.

I've always wanted to draw comics but I'm a terrible writer and I've never had an interesting idea to work on. I guess I just want something I can call mine.

Is there a limit on how many pages I can post on webtoon?

>>6565239

>>6565178
yes

Unfinished manga style fight. (for practice only)

>>6565286
damn it, I got excited thinking the boxing manga guy came back
your stuff looks cool though

How long has it taken you guys starting from scratch to get to the skill level you are at today? I've just turned 23, and I've been drawing a year now. I would like to self-publish 1-2 stories by the time I'm 30

NEW THREAD

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>>6566573
why?

>>6566573
>new thread
retarded attention whore

>>6551138
does anyone know where I can find Paint Tool Sai?

>>6566605
Dumpster out back

rose and thorn site is down :(
did he ever finish chapter 2?

any book that teaches how to draw panels but for erodoujin?

>>6566977
Just study erodoujin and see what kind of paneling they do. From what I see they usually have a lot of smaller panels leading up to the big full body money shots, and they tend to focus more on changing facial expressions than manga typically does.
>>6563392
>>6563393
>>6563394
>>6563395
>>6563397
>>6563398
It's hard to put out as many pages as you do in full color, I'm always super impressed by your output.
>>6565286
looks nice, it will be cool to see it finished with added details.
>>6556149
thank you!
>>6555564
ty for the tips, next time I get in to g-pen I'll start watching youtube tutorials before trying to put pen to paper again.
I have a new batch of pages done of my bards and idols comic. I'm only about 20 pages away from the end of the volume

>>6567003

>>6567004

that's the update, you can check out the rest of my comic Oi! Tales of Bardic Fury on tapas, webtoon and mangadex

https://tapas.io/series/Oi

https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092

https://mangadex.org/title/77f67cab-3624-4e81-8663-bddfe7723282/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury

>>6566977
No. There are no books that are going to teach you how to panel anything. Paneling is the kind of thing you figure out by observation and experimentation, as well as simply having an idea of what you want to convey and how you're going to do it.

>>6567286
>>6567003
yes, that's what i though,but is there a short book (20-40) that teaches the BASICS of panels? so i can use as a base to reverse engineer/study doujins

>>6567017

How has it been for you uploading to mangadex? I was thinking of uploading there and started reading the website's FAQ section. It seems to suggest that you need to be uploading regularly or they kick you out/off the site. Am I reading this wrong?

>>6567339
I don't know-maybe the Araki book or a Scott Mcloud book? But again, if you want to copy a particular study of paneling, your best bet is going to be studying comics with paneling you want your comics to look like and analyzing yourself how and what they're doing and what you like about it.

>>6567286

Making Comics by Scott McCloud goes into some decent guidance and is what I used when I was first getting into making mangas. But at the end of the day, he still says what many anons here have said, which is that you really can't go wrong with just doing it. Some paneling might work BETTER for conveying the idea, but as long as you've conveyed what you want to convey, you technically succeeded.

>>6567339
Anon, you seem to think that there IS a "basics of paneling". As far as I'm aware, there is not. It's absolutely just looking at paneling you like and copying. Closest thing I can think of to a "basic rule" is that generally making the vertical gutters wider than the horizontal gutters looks nice, but that, like most things to do with paneling, is a matter of preference. Ultimately it just comes down to "is does this sequence read well?" and the answer is yes then cool if the answer is no then rework either the layout or the actions portrayed until it does. I really wish I could identify a way to "teach" paneling, but I really don't think there is. Even Scott McCloud ultimately just describes the types of panels there are and then does an example. You won't actually learn HOW to panel from his books.

>>6567339
Anon, listen to this anon.
>>6567399
In this case the best way to learn is to do. The more pages you draw, the better you'll get at paneling. Stop being lazy and start drawing comics.

how did you get over performance anxiety

>>6568163
Fake it til you make it

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question

But is there like a standard font used in manga
Or any recommendations for some good ones?

How much “””””borrowing””””” of ideas is too much?

I’m trying to script a racing manga, and I’m thinking of stealing the whole racer X/“dead” older relative thing from Speed Racer. I’d probably make it the mc’s dad instead.

>>6568238
I say go for it. I think in the west we're a little too cautious with borrowing ideas, while in the west they don't give to shit and release the same cut & copy stories a hundred times over.

Just make sure other areas of your work feel original and not blatantly copied from speed racer.

>>6568262
>while in the EAST they don't give to shit and...
I'll just correct that.

>>6551169
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
As long as the story doesnt become shit I dont mind making it till I die.
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
Depends how long it would take, probably once every two weeks.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
Shonen
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
The MC never losing or being challenged properly.
>What manga have you been reading recently?
Re;Monster
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
Analog for reading, but digital when making it myself.

>>6568218

Go to a scanned manga online, see a font you like, then run it through a font recognizer.

>>6568262

The entire isekai/harem/high school genres of anime and manga for the last 35-40 years would like to have a word with you.

>>6551169
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
Between 10 and 15 volumes. 20 tops.
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
Monthly. Mostly to avoid having to just draw single characters against empty backgrounds.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
Seinen.
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
The way things drag for too fucking long, or how plot points are lost sometimes
>What manga have you been reading recently?
A Bride's Story (100/10), Gigant (enjoyed it more than Gantz, to be fair), and a book with Urasawa's short stories (they are okay I guess)
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
I prefer traditional inking, but digital screentones are okay.

>>6568714

Goddammit, I just realized we're in agreement, you just wrote "west" twice. I'm a dumb dumb.

>>6568262
I think I'm just going to go ahead with it. I can always scrap the idea later, and make him actually dead if I want to. I don't think it'll be overly similar to speed racer, except the MC's father figure having an auto shop.

Does anyone have any recommendations for racing or sport manga I should read? I want to get a better sense for good story beats and structure.

was there ever a manga without boxes?

>>6569853
Will Eisner tried his hardest to fuck with panel borders and get rid of them, but his comics are worse off for that. Boxes are essential for a fluid reading experience.

Wrote the plot, designed the characters, planned out the first several chapters, wrote the dialogue, did everything except draw the damn thing, and I'm sitting here trying to come up with anything to get me out of drawing it. Once I draw it, it exists forever in a shitty state and the perfect version in my head is gone.

>>6569853
>>6569974
Hirohiko Araki, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond Is Unbreakable. Maybe you've heard of it?
Okay, he still essentially just uses wacky boxes, but fuck I love the paneling in this era of JJBA. I've seen no other manga attempt something like he does in this series.

how the fuck do I draw walls? There's nothing on a wall, and a wall has no color, so its blank, but manga artists somehow put cracks and stuff and you know the wall is there and how far away it is.

>>6570100
You gotta think of the scene as a living, breathing NPC around your characters! If it's a spooky atmosphere you can put spooky lines on it. If it should be textured, just add textures- look at a picture if it helps for the scale. Or you can just do a gradient or something! Cheat til it works if you don't want to put a shadow there. Really helps if you plan your environment first though!

>>6569853
There's still boxes but witch hat atelier has some interesting use of manga paneling. Probably takes a hell of a lot of skill to pull this off though.

>>6570129
another example

>>6570131

>>6570082
There is beauty in imperfection.

>>6570082
I wish I could do all that.

>>6570100
To draw form, draw shadows.
Form is nothing but light and shadow.

I was going for a creepy Bio Mechanical vibe... You think it looks good?

>>6570553
Hi anon. I like your designs, but they didn't read very metallic to me. I tried to play around with how to ink it, but I don't think I got a satisfactory result either. (because I have no idea what I'm doing myself)

Try looking up more sci-fi manga and seeing how other artists might ink metal

>>6570589
Thank you anon, Will do. Also I think that looks fucking dope man I wish I could draw 3d shapes and perspective that good lol.

>>6570589
>>6570592
Does this look better?

>>6570406
this looks more like a photo thats been filtered, than a drawing. But I'll believe you

>>6570648
lmao if one could make a photo look like that with just some filters my job would be so, so, so much easier. Zoom in, you can see the ink work.

Are there any manga that don't use screentones that much (or at least just limit it to flat ones) with a lot of texturing and hatching I could study for inking and stylistic reasons? Eden It's An Endless World and Akira come to mind, also I'm specifically not looking for anything like late Usogui/Batoque where the attention seems to be put more on the way it's rendered rather than the lineart. Thanks in advice!

>>6570636
I don't think so, they just look like lanterns now, as if there were a light source coming from the inside.

Also, I had an idea: instead of focusing on the rendering, try adding "machine" elements to your designs, like cut-lines, knobs, screws, pipes, etc. Lots of manga don't render metal in a specific way, but you can tell it's metallic because of the design. (example, pic related)

>>6570660
I know Junji Ito uses lots of hatching in Uzumaki, but it's a very noir and dark look. Witch Hat Atelier uses Albrecht Durer hatching, as if it was done by copper engravings. Those are the only 2 that immediately come to mind, sorry

>>6570660
see >>6570090 >>6570129
There's a ton that don't use tones heavily. Even some that do still retain very detailed line work, such as Baki.

>>6570650
I see, you're right

Has the artist behind Heaven's Official Blessing ever posted process videos or wips? Specifically for the comic
I need insight into her process

Her work is incredible, I've genuinely never seen a colored comic with this sort of release schedule look this good.

>>6570733
https://m.weibo.cn/status/4873098563946395

I found this post on Weibo, images seem pretty low quality

>>6570762
colored

>>6569974
I found the scenes confusing at times. However, I really liked how the scenes blended together. This is close to what I wanted to explore, thank you
>>6570090
without borders is a better term I should've used, I do enjoy reading this kind of dynamic framing
>>6570129
>>6570131
>>6570135
reminds me of Illuminated manuscripts, especially the first one. Originally, I envisioned a blend of manuscripts and comics, altho I lack experience. I enjoy this a lot, inspiring work

>>6570082
You can always redraw it if you don’t like it.

>>6570100
Are you retarded?

>>6570090
is it just me, or is this page really hard to read? The undulating black and white lighting on the folds is blending with the focus lines

>>6571897
Yeah that page has readability problems.

>>6570090
This is one thing that stumps about paneling. I can't understand why they're curved like that or when to do it myself.

>>6571447
>hey guys any tips on how to render deceptively simple things like walls?
>UHH ARE YOU RETARDED? YOU DONT KNOW??? WOOOWWWWWW
>HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION IN MY THREAD?
I hope you get help

>>6571921
great page. Araki has his moments

>>6572089
NTA but I think a lot of what initially might seem like a general drawing problem with backgrounds actually turns out to be a staging and composition problem. Drawing a pristine blank wall isn't all that hard, but it's nigh impossible to make it interesting since it lacks surface lines and other things you could use as an indicator of form or depth. It's hard to make a drawing descriptive when the subject itself doesn't give you a lot of chances for it, and that's usually where you have to resort to different angles or props.
I think paying attention to the light source helps. See pic rel, if the room is lit by a lightbulb at the center of the ceiling then the corners are a bit darker. Once you start looking for it you'll see this get stylised all the time.

>>6572136
this really helps, thank you

>>6571954
They're shaped that way because he felt like it.

>>6570090
>>6572512
Generally you do diagonal paneling like that for dynamic action scenes, and more straight typical boxes for calmer scenes and talking head scenes.

>>6572806
Sure but he does that paneling throughout the entire run of DiU (and maybe parts 3 and 5, I forget). He did it because he liked it, not because he calculated that was the best most exciting way to panel or whatever. He doesn't panel like this anymore either. Ultimately >>6572512 is right, he shaped the panels that way because he felt like it. It works because the dude is just very good at composing a scene, and he still makes the panels "lock in" together like puzzle pieces, and keeps the reading order fairly obvious.

Rate this pitch:
4koma about zombies playing children card games.

>>6573355
Yeh, there are no hard and set laws of paneling, anon. At the end of the day you can do whatever you want.

>>6574938
A comic I'll never make about the game I'll never make. Damn I suck so much.

>>6574938
That requires way more context or explanation to say anything about it.

>>6575039
A necromancer that's way into card games resurrects a bunch of zombies to play with her since the world ended and there's no one else to play with. The zombies are forced to go along with it and learn how to play card games along the way.

>>6575067
Sounds fine to me if its a comedy 4koma. Could have it start out with the zombies being literally negative 10 iq, and the more she heals them and uses her power to keep them alive, the better they get at the game and interacting with her, till the point where she basically brings back humanity at the cost of her own life due to energy required.

>>6551138
The mega link for Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga is no longer available.

>>6574938
Very easy for the story to devolve into cliche and meaninglessness. You want to give your characters purpose. What’s their purpose? Is it just to play cards? Give them something more. I think something like, one zombie being in great debt, and is gambling his way to salvation, could be a great motivation

>>6575159
The land is full of monsters and mindless zombies from the last war. The necromancer created a safe zone to live in, but will kick out anyone who loses too much.

>>6575165
That’s great! Roll with it. Now it’s turn to develop your cast and their relationship with each other

>>6575165
Also they gamble body parts away, they get kicked out when they can't see/hold cards.

new batch of Oi! Tales of Bardic Fury pages
1/8

>>6575204
I'm dumb, there's only 7 pages in the new update
2/7

>>6575207

>>6575208
4/7

>>6575210
5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuTgX_A52Eo

>>6575211
6/7

>>6575213
7/7

>>6570733
this would be hot if they were both guys

>i have been redoing the same 2 pages over weeks now
Fuck

Also i had an idea, a while ago i started saving and collecting some manga pages at random when i think that i could use then as references later( i mean like ramdom things that doesn't quite go right when you look for them in some browsers), so i thought that it could be fun if we made a list with things that we would like to have references (mostly from manga to manga) and piled up in a some link later

>>6576211
I've done this for a couple years, but it's very difficult digging through my digital files to find the thing I want. Now, I just buy manga whenever and wherever I can. I have 4 bookshelves in my room full of books. Best place was a used Japanese bookstore in LA, where they were selling a volume of manga for only 1 dollar. Amazing stuff.

Is there a website to print on demand your manga/comic like there is with books?

>>6577054
Amazon kdp

>>6577154
oh I didn't know it worked for books with pictures too

Sakamoto Days is the best shit I've ever read

>>6557410
One of the old posters poking my head in here. I haven't been in this thread nearly as much after getting my animation job due to the time and energy issues that come with working full-time. I can barely even get personal illustrations out the door, let alone pages when I attempt to do them.

Maybe I should get some medical intervention for my attention issues and chronic fatigue. That might bring me back around to doing pages again.

theres gotta be an easier way to do screentones automatically in csp, instead of having to recreate the same settings every single page

>>6579481
Make layer -> drop layer opacity -> paint in your tone -> layer properties -> click the screentone button
If you have multiple screentones overlapping and want to avoid ugly overlap you can put them in a folder and toggle the folder to screentone instead of the individual layers. This is how I do all my screentones, outside of non-standard stuff. It's quick and easy and requires the least fiddling in my experience.

How does this look for a trad stereotypical Dark Lord Design?

Also here was some tree and rock practice.

I know this is board is mainly focused on drawing, but I'm curious about how anons work on their writing, is there any resources/books or stuff that you should look out for before making your scripts so you have a better structure to your creating process? Do you mind sharing your pipeline and tell us how it's working out for you?
Also, any ESL artists here? how do you handle your writing on other languages? do you TL on your own or you pay someone else to do it?

>>6553510
20 year old art student , My goal is to be able to create 2 graphic novels (180-230 pages ) per years and design movies posters / covers.

>>6569974
>Will Eisner tried his hardest to fuck with panel borders and get rid of them, but his comics are worse off for that. Boxes are essential for a fluid reading experience.

Its the opposite for me . I actually liked his borderless work.

>>6579486
I do that, but the default setting is unusable and I always have to tweak it and change the size and opacity every time.

>>6579912
>I do that, but the default setting is unusable
Works on my machine.

>>6579694
Westerners always try this crap. It looks neat for something to hang on your wall, or just as a curiosity, but it's not good for storytelling.

>>6580573
And eastern artists have literally never experimented with the medium

̶A̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶m̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶

>>6580573
It's completely readable, it is fine.

>>6551591
it's in the way they bounce off of other characters
coom unironically causes negative likability and i'm saying this as a coomer. characters that are good for coom are completely worthless in every other aspect without fail

>>6579694
this one is quite good, but a lot of his work is very hard to read. (though I only know about his work through his book "Comics and Sequential Art")

>>6580663
A Contract With God is short and a pretty nice read. Eisner's actual comic work is worth reading for anyone interested in sequential art
https://libgen.lc/edition.php?id=40099

>>6580573
The flow is easy to read and and your brain fills in the panels ( two panels at top three panels in the middle and two panels bottom )

I dont know how to draw dragons at all and I need to draw them quite a bit

>>6579594
>>6579595
>>6580932
Open up a manga (any will do, so long as you're not looking at garbage filtered speedscans) and copy their lines. Not the drawings, the lines themselves. Your line work needs some dedicated study.

>>6581110
good advice

>>6580676
thanks

what if i vae too much dialogue

>>6581110
I legit don't know how to fix my line art really. I think it looks nice when I'm first drawing but then when I erase and shit it gets messy. I see how people like delete their old line work instead of erasing it and I want to know how to do it.
>Reverse arrow
I'm not talking about that. I cant undo something I did 250 pen strokes ago.

>>6581162
Remove some of it, or spread it out over more pages, or find some way to spice it up. Hard to say what the right choice is without seeing the dialogue in question.

>>6581163
>I legit don't know how to fix my line art really
I just told you how. Seriously, open up a manga, paste the a page into your canvas and copy the lines. Try to copy them as exactly as you can. You can even trace them, so long as you're thinking about how to reproduce the exact line quality and not just drawing over the lines with your own crappier ones. Do this a bunch until you feel like you understand, then try reproducing it in your own drawings.
>I think it looks nice when I'm first drawing but then when I erase and shit it gets messy. I see how people like delete their old line work instead of erasing it and I want to know how to do it.
It's called "zooming in and erasing". It's not some secret technique. Cleaning up is tedious, some people don't bother. It's not your main problem right now.

>>6581163
do this >>6581190

Not only are you learning line weights, you're learning how to draw. You're learning exactly how to depict form, how anatomy looks, how clothing folds are drawn, where exactly the hatching and cross-hatching should go, just how much texturing you need, and the distributions of black ink spots. I've been copying manga for a year and I'm still learning. It takes a long time, so you should start now and have fun learning from it.

You don't need to do it page by page, or panel by panel. Just pick a character you like, and draw that one character.

>>6581162
Go by "the tweet rule"
If it's too long to tweet, it's too long to speak.

how do you chose the canva size, margin, etc?

>>6581198
The defaults work fine.

>>6581202
thanks

'sup /mmg/,
I'm here to share the news: our second Comics and Random Art Battles (CRAB 2) tournament will decide (again) the fate of the multiverse. OCs from multiple image boards will be kidnapped by the Gamemaster, put into teams and take part in many extreme challenges to obtain a single wish, whatever it may be!

Is your character up to it?

A year ago in /co/ I organised the most successful OCs Tournament event with guests from various boards (20+). I think it's time for a sequel.

How do I participate?
Post your character and write that you are participating (one per author).

Do I need to know what happened in the first part?
Not really, but I'll do a recap at some point.

Are they individual or group duels?
Characters would sign up and, depending on the number, teams of 3, 4 or even 5 characters would be formed. Last year we had 4 teams of 5 characters.

What types of duels?
Only one of the three planned stages is Combat, the other two can be anything. Last year it was Dance and Cooking.

How’s a winner declared?
Individual points will be added to the team total, defined by voting. There is no elimination so you have a chance to come back. The team with the most points at the end takes all.

How long would it take?
Last time it took us about 2 months to define everything.

How does the communication work?
Discord, for the simple reason that it's not efficient to keep communication only in the threads. However it is possible to avoid Discord at your own risk, one of the members last year did it.

Who runs everything?
Me, the Gamemaster, a multidimensional wizard of thousands of years of virginity and power. Can triforce.

>>6581332
SIGN UP NOW: >>6580481

>>6551138
What would you say are the most important things/objects to know how to draw when seeking to create comics/manga.

I got around with Blander fior landscapes and BG.
Currently learning clothes and fabric cuz characters need to have them even in eromanga.

What else should I focus in? Shading with hatching? Drawing uncle/uglybastard?

>>6581332
>>6581334
Sorry m8, too busy drawing my comic. Plus, I don't think the characters really make sense outside of the context of their own stories.

>>6581346
Faces. You'll have to draw a huge range of things, but faces most likely be showing up the most. But ultimately you should focus on whatever is going to be most important in your comic. No good grinding human faces if you're drawing a bunch of masked creatures 99% of the time.

I can't draw but want to make a webcomic with (hopefully) endearingly bad art

>>6581447
if ONE (the author of opm) did it, then you're gmi anon

>>6581473
thanks anon
I have the format idea worked out (mixed media: crude pencil drawings of the character cut out, photographed, and overlaid on digital backgrounds)
just need to figure out how to design a cartoony little neet MC that can be drawn accurately in slightly different perspectives

>>6581190
>>6581194
thing is i'm not really writing an action comic, it's more of a drama/thriller or whatever, i'll figure it out though, i think i may need to consume less action oriented manga

>>6582142
The tweet rule still applies

I wanna draw manga more but I work so much ):

thoughts on mangaplus?

I want to be a mangaka so fucking badly. You guys are such a bad influence on me...

>>6582434
Creators? Or just mangaplus?
I love MPC simply because it's an "official" place to put OEL manga that's actually backed by a real-ass publisher with the explicit intent of scouting overseas talent. Is it flawless? Maybe not, but a platform like this is absolutely what people like us needed. It may end up being a legit road to a professional career, provided they actually do find talent to publish to prove it a worthwhile venture for Shueisha.

Mangaplus itself is pretty nice, it does actually manage to compete with piracy for convenience. I don't pay for it myself, but I would if I was reading more Jump stuff.

>>6582456
yeah I mean for publishing there, seems better than webtoon at least

>>6582458
It's still too young to say much (I don't even know if they've paid anybody for those monthly award things, I have no info on that at all) but it's promising. It's biggest issue right now is probably just that it is, as one would expect, full of trash. It does seem like they have staff going through each and every work and evaluating each series based on the art, story, and "expression" (whatever that means). I don't think their evaluations are always perfect, like I've read stuff that I felt better expressd things than my own yet my work has the "expression" evaluation while theirs doesn't, but it at least proves that it's not simply an abandoned dumping ground for trash and they are actively gold-panning.

godamn this is way harder than i thought, but it feels so rewarding when I finish a page. Drawing the actual art is the easy part, but i keep changing the layout or panels or writing every day when i think of something better. I wish I could just mindlessly draw nonstop and have it be good from the start. I'd get so much more done.

>>6584083
make a script. It's easy to edit a few paragraphs compared to editing a page.

Also make two storyboards. One very simplistic one and then one that's more detailed.

>>6584083
Congrats, you're starting to get it. Now you can almost start to suffer with the rest of us interacting with people who don't get it.

>>6584094
How do you write your script? I tried having bullet points explaining each panel in detail, instead of actual paragraphs. I already have the story in my head anyways.

>>6584105
>I already have the story in my head anyways.
Write it down, however you see fit. Having a story "in your head" is as good as not having a story.

>>6584105

I have an entire storyboard of each panel in decent enough detail that I can go from there as a rough for each page. I then type the script up separately and then go through and edit things manually with a big red pen.

>"enter your comic for a chance to be serialized!"
>*entries must be serialized to be eligible*
Am I missing something here?
It doesnt seem like a good deal to begin with signing a story away like this, but I suppose it's par for the course in manga making under a publisher
>>https://promo.kadokawa.co.jp/tatesc/en/

>>6584216
Probably just weird phrasing.
>enter your comic for a chance to be serialized (as in published in a magazine)
>entries must be serialized (as in a series, as opposed to a one-shot) to be eligible

Recently ive been trying to make a story, but while im not all too worried about the quality of it (many good stories are told using shitass art such as attack on titan and mob psycho 100) im more worried about my motivation to keep going because i AM very enthusiastic about my story but i know that i might eventually burn out. Is there any advice for what motivates you to keep going??

(also for fun I wanted to really answer these lol)
>>6551169
>How long do you wish your magnum opus to be?
While i like all my stories equally and dont feel one of them might be my magnum opus, i do think that the best i could write is something thats not short but also not long, something that will tell it's story at it's own pace and ends without feeling stretched out too long.
>Do you prefer series that are published weekly, biweekly, monthly or «whenever the chapter comes out»? What type of serialisation would you pick if it was your manga?
I like reading weekly for obvious reasons but i find monthly mangas to feel more satisfying since the chapters tend to feel more complete. If i didnt have a job or any responsibility and lived alone i would LOVE to do weekly but sadly im a wage slave so monthly is best i could do.
>What is your favorite genre of manga?
psychological horror
>What is your biggest pet peeve when it comes to manga?
overexplaining a situation, i rather read 4 chapters in which the explanation is explored more visually than reading speech bubbles with over 300 letters per bubble explaining the political system of a magic world
>What manga have you been reading recently?
kedamonotachi no jikan and 100kano
>Do you prefer analog drawn manga or digital?
i dont care as long as the art is good

Fuck it here goes nothing
Writing a slice of life webcomic/graphic novel where the protagonist is a mentally ill mid 20s NEET shutin that has come to lose all sense of human decency, dunno how to position him in a way that makes readers want to read on and find out what happens to him
>lives at home with parents in shitty suburb, unemployed and lives off NEETbux/disability benefits
>wasted youth, dropped out of society to avoid the responsibilities of adulthood
>spends most of his time hiding in his room playing vidya and browsing 4chan
>occasionally leaves gamerpad to visit second hand vidya shop and meet up with other autistic loser friends in the part etc
>starts lashing out at his shitty life by bullying random old people in his area and cold approaching 16-18 year old emo girls
>commits petty crime like vandalism/theft as well as trying to start fights with normies
Where do I go with this? It's supposed to be a vaguely sympathetic portrayal of how mental illness and lack of positive influence leads guys with mental illness/neurodiversity to go off the rails and quietly self sabotage but I feel that I could all too easily just end up writing Shadow the Hedgehog or American Psycho tier stuff if I'm not careful

>>6584808
That's just an auto biography mate

>>6584816
I don't hit on 16 year olds or randomly fight old people so no it's not

>>6584816
17 year olds are still underage anon..

>>6584808
Scary how I'm actually writing the female equivalent of this exact same thing. Mine is also a story about how mental illness/neurodivergence can lead to a life full of vices and self-sabotage when left on their own with no help.
I hope for the best on your journey considering we are both on similar routes!
Having a side character who's personality conflicts with your MC might help. Whether its for positive or for negative, I think that outside influence is what helps the most with driving these type of characters forwards, so think about where you want to drive your MC and then impliment a character that can help (accidentally or on purpose) your character head that route.

>>6584843
Good luck to you too anon
I was thinking of juxtaposing the MC against characters that are radically different yet equally fucked up in their own way, might throw in drastic events that force the MC to chance as well idk

>>6584808
This is why nobody reads indie comics, that shit is neither interesting nor pleasant. Your autobiography about how depressed you are and awful your life is, is just BORING. Who the fuck cares?

Get a real story or just go do something else with your life, creativity is not in you.

>>6584808
>It's supposed to be a vaguely sympathetic portrayal of how mental illness and lack of positive influence leads guys with mental illness/neurodiversity to go off the rails
Anon your description sounds like you're trying your hardest to make an extremely dislikable MC. If you want people to be sympathetic for the dude then you need to give him positive or at least endearing traits. As it is even fellow losers would probably see this guy as an asshole, and normalfags would not be able stand him. It sounds like you want an anti-hero, not a villain protagonist.

By the way, "a loser does bad things" isn't really a hook. The protagonist has no goal, he's not embroiled in any significant drama and there's no intrigue or action to speak of. You say you want it to be a slice of life, but a slice of life's "hook" is typically the atmosphere the characters bring, and what you're describing would be an overwhelmingly unpleasant atmosphere to everybody who isn't off the rails themselves, and even then only those who are off the rails in that specific way.

>>6584843
>>6584808
i'm writing an autobiographical neet loser webcomic too
you guys better watch out once i figure out how to draw a character

>>6581190
>>6581192
I think this is how I like line art, Sharp and hectic. The thickness of the lines and the tapering of them makes it look like Toriyama drew it as fast as he could and thats what I really like.
But can someone explain line thickness to me? It seems like such a meme thing, I just imagine it where things taper off because its the end of your line.

>>6585785
I guess modern Togashi fits that as well

>>6585785
>But can someone explain line thickness to me? It seems like such a meme thing, I just imagine it where things taper off because its the end of your line
You just make the line thicker pretty much whenever you like. There are images that get posted around that act like a "guide to line weight", but ultimately they can all be disregarded. It's a feel thing.
>>6585795
Togashi, period. His linework was always like this.

>>6585805
>Togashi, period. His linework was always like this
Not really

>>6585816
Looks about as "sharp and hectic" as >>6585795 to me.

>>6582422
I can’t stop drawing this same pose

how does this sound as a one shot? i havent really written alot of stuff but i have confidence in my drawing skills and im a big reader

Placed in Brazil, a former Hitman (or Sicario) Bruno, tells a story through journal entries of how he's killed many people and done many terrible things in his life for his own selfish greed yet he feels nothing for what he's done and that is his main struggle throughout the story.
As he is older (52) he expresses how he feels nothing for the evil things he has done when he was younger, but he feels terrible that he doesn't feel terrible. He feels a sense of shame that he doesn't feel guilty. He doest feel an ounce of responsibility or sympathy. Over time he has grown to have a family; a daughter and wife. Bruno has not told his wife or daughter his past life and the things he has done. He has adapted to a better life as he escaped the gang lifestyle, not because he didn't like it, it was just means for money, but now he is financially stable in other ways of income in Brazil, being a gangster wasn't very stable or safe as the times have changed. He can support himself and his family legally. He uses his journal as a way of confession. We go through his life and his thoughts and memories of things he's done. Bruno finishes a journal entry in the morning and leaves for work, before he leaves he looks at his wife and tells her, i have something to tell you when I come back. The story ends with Bruno coming back to his home, finding his wife and daughter slaughtered by the son of a man Bruno killed 20 years ago. The story ends with Bruno still not feeling anything, he understands this was the cost of his evil deeds, and all the people he's killed and hurt. He can not cry when he finds his family killed, he can't fathom vengeance or any emotion behind his selfish self loathing for not feeling anything at all. He suffers from the idea that he cannot suffer from others' pain but only his own.

>>6585202
My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness is great.

Never tried making comics before, so figuring out layout of panels and decent storytelling has been a huge challenge so far. I've had a vague concept of a world/story, with some specific ideas sprinkled in here and there, for quite some time and recently got struck with ambition to actually create something. First chapter storyboards done so far, and a bunch of pages inked and toned to completion. I'm also realising I should probably read more manga to see how other authors are telling their stories.

>>6588549

This looks great so far, anon. Although did you intend for the upper right panel to have her irises/pupils point in slightly different directions? Cos she's looking ever so slightly froggy there.

>>6588551
That's definitely not the intention, thanks for pointing that out

Re reading gintama made me realize how good is sorachi putting a lot of info in a page and the good usage of thin panels

>>6588648
Pretty much any given popular series showcases if not excellent then at least very rock solid understanding of comicmaking. For example, an untrained eye might only see the fairly wonky drawings in AoT, and not even think about the fact that they can easily tell what's going on despite the artwork. The more you make comics the harder it is to bare talking to people who only read them.

>>6588683
Yup. The level of comics in Japan is EXTREMELY high. When you’re at a bookstore, just walk through the American comics section, and then the manga section.

erasing and crying

>>6589706
Don't cry. Smile because it happened.

How do I touch up this image in an editing program? Is there a way to make the black areas in the image blacker without making the gray areas darker as well? an idiot proof guide would be appreciated.

Post your scripts anon
We all wantto read them and learn from them and see your wonderous style of direction

did a study on an uzumaki page, anybody got some advice on how to ink and crosshatch more professionally?

Original image
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nQZJhQnTeqw/XdMepYzvnQI/AAAAAAAAWcI/nrhjzPYItXMxKQdFKGkFuNGHDV1JptKzgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/020.jpg

>>6589825
hope this helps.

-chefanon

>>6589884
thanks so much anon, this is really helpful

>>6589884
bro i dont even consider myself beg and this gave me the revelation that this is exactly why lazily going back and forth hatching lines always looks like shit, and now i feel retarded
thank you

>>6589909
>i dont even consider myself beg
that was your first mistake

>>6589958
nah im probably better than you

>>6590127
Ngmi

>>6590127
even kjg thinks he's /beg/

>>6590598
if you actually believe he thinks that and that its not a humble "there's always more to learn" which is not the same as beg youre retarded

is drawing a manga kind of like directing a movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QeM7A1Nbw
New Boichi video.
Note: his subtitles seem to be autogenerated, so there's some mistakes in them compared to the audio.

>>6590735
Yesn't, except you interact with less people, and the chances that you shoot a loaded weapon by accident are less likely
Also next thread doko?

>>6584808
Your MC is a fag and so are you. Look at the movie Joker and study how the movie makes the audience sympathize with a mentally ill and anti-social loser.
Even if your MC is a bad person and fucked up in many ways you still have to make him likable to the audience.
It doesn't matter what the story is about, no one wants to read a story about an unlikeable MC that beats up old people, lol.
Who wants to root for a guy like that to get better?

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