/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Trying to come up with a design for a Cyberpunk Kamen Rider ghoul character.

Not a race, but I would love to get reference for wizards, witches, summoners, necromants and all that stuff

>>6568113
The subject matter has piqued my curiosity, but perhaps the involved research would have more odds of being fruitful to your purposes if you gave us a more demarcated frame to work within. For example, do your preferences lean more towards a classical Tolkienesque/D&D Western aesthetic, or would you rather be more interested in something exotic and ethnic-looking? Also, would you be ok with references of magic-adjacent figures, such as deities, shamans, diviners or alchemists?

Pic related, it's "The Shaman" (1901) by Sascha Schneider.

>>6568104
>jetpack wings

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2ugWda9xJ0g&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

Wow, good timing.
How the fuck do medieval soldiers/knights carry around maces(bludgeon) on their belts? Like, how are they worn and how are they drawn out for quick battle?

>>6568104
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zDq4kjY19UU&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

>>6570173
Initially, while looking for primary visual sources regarding the topic (I pretty much got my month's worth of miniatures of knights), I expected to find depictions of some kind of rudimentary leather holders (like those used for short blade weapons), or perhaps even something similar to hanger rings (of the type worn by some historical reenactors), but it tuns out that medieval combatants didn't really break their heads about it: they just tucked their maces in their belts.

Pic related, it's the frontispiece of an Egyptian codex titled "Martyrdom of SS. Theodore the Anatolian (the Oriental), Leontius the Arab, and Panigerus the Persian" (created after December 31, 867 AD), depicting Theodore the Anatolian on horseback piercing a demon with his spear.

>>6569576
Sorry for the late reply.

to both answers, anything would be fine, I prefer to draw more D&D stuff, but my main goal is to find inspiration. I think exotic artwork would be something new that I haven't tried before
In short, any art you like about magic related stuff is great for me

>>6570173
>>6572200
Here's another example, an icon of Saint Demetrius of Thessaloniki portrayed as a warrior. Byzantine, c. 1400. Museum of Applied Art, Belgrade, Serbia.

According to Piotr L. Grotowski, author of "Arms and Armour of the Warrior Saints: Tradition and Innovation in Byzantine Iconography (843-1261)" (2010), to tuck the mace in one's belt was the "Byzantine custom" (p. 369).

In the case of Georgian warriors, Mamuka Tsurtsumia, in his article "The Mace in Medieval Georgia", published in "Acta Militaria Mediaevalia XIV" (2018), states the following:

>Most frequently, the Georgians would wear the mace "inserted" in the belt worn round their waists which is clearly attested in sources and artistic images. "Amirandarejaniani" informs us that the maces were put in the belt (Mose Khoneli 1967, 737); He attached the mace close to his waist (ibid., 774). In addition, "Rusudaniani" also mentions: The mace was put in the belt (Rusudaniani 1957, 56); The mace was worn close to the waist (ibid., 284); He put the mace through his belt (ibid., 286); He put the mace into his belt (ibid., 427). The same holds true for "Shahnavaziani": The mace is put through his belt (Peshangi 1935, 182) and "Omainiani": He took out the 12-flanged mace from the belt (Kaikhosro Cholokashvili 1979, 167).

Here's a link to the full article: http://amm.sanok.pl/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/04_Tsurtsumia_AMM_XIV.pdf

>>6572200
>>6572277
Thanks bro. I was heading towards that direction too but I love the historical confirmation.

>>6572219
That's nice to know. I have actually been meaning for a while to post some images depicting outfits that I personally consider to be suitably wizardly, but I refrained from doing so because it was arguable whether the people wearing them could be deemed as magic-practitioners (in the strict sense of the term). Thus, a bit of flexibility in the request is appreciated.


Pic related is "Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus, Contemporary of Moses" (ca. 1488), an inlaid marble pavement mosaic by Giovanni di Stefano. Siena Cathedral, Siena, Tuscany, Italy.


Regarding Hermes Trismegistus, here is some info from the Wikipedia article on him:

>Hermes Trismegistus (from Ancient Greek: Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος, "Hermes the Thrice-Greatest"; Classical Latin: Mercurius ter Maximus) is a legendary Hellenistic figure that originated as a syncretic combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth. He is the purported author of the Hermetica, a widely diverse series of ancient and medieval pseudepigraphical texts that lay the basis of various philosophical systems known as Hermeticism. [...]

>During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance the Hermetica enjoyed great prestige and were popular among alchemists. Hermes was also strongly associated with astrology, for example by the influential Islamic astrologer Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (787–886). The "Hermetic tradition" consequently refers to alchemy, magic, astrology, and related subjects. The texts are usually divided into two categories: the philosophical and the technical hermetica. The former deals mainly with philosophy, and the latter with practical magic, potions, and alchemy.

>>6574246
I find this very interesting and I'll look for more of this, ty

i recommend this book

I have been trying to gather a good source of ancient middle eastern/babylonian and that area of the worlds clothing. Been playing a dnd game that is set in the desert and I'd love to draw my race of elves with some kind of ancient clothing and mystic elements to it

>>6575218
Olga Dugina 1001 Nights and other works have mystical clothing

>>6575218
Here's the mandatory post bringing up Assyrian sculpture.

There's something about the stocky proportions of the figures, coupled with the muscularity of their arms and legs, that makes them feel powerful without impairing their elegance, so that a sense of loftiness can still be conveyed through the depiction of simple stances and gestures.

The sculptures in question are also a nice primary visual source for outfits and hairstyles.

Pic related is a joined pair of gypsum alabaster relief panels from the palace of the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II. Neo-Assyrian Period, ca. 883-859 BCE. Mesopotamia, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu).

I need cute loli-shota refs.

>>6575218
Here's the mandatory post bringing up Assyrian sculpture.

There's something about the stocky proportions of the figures, coupled with the muscularity of their arms and legs, that makes them feel powerful without impairing their elegance, so that a sense of loftiness can still be conveyed through the depiction of simple stances and gestures.

The sculptures in question are also a nice primary visual source for outfits and hairstyles.

Pic related is a joined pair of gypsum alabaster relief panels from the palace of the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II. Neo-Assyrian Period, ca. 883-859 BCE. Mesopotamia, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu).

>>6575218
Here's the mandatory post bringing up Assyrian sculpture.

There's something about the stocky proportions of the figures, coupled with the muscularity of their arms and legs, that makes them feel powerful without impairing their elegance, so that a sense of loftiness can still be conveyed through the depiction of simple stances and gestures.

The artefacts in question are also nice visual sources for outfits and hairstyles.

Pic related is a pair of joined gypsum alabaster relief panels from the palace of the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II. Neo-Assyrian Period, ca. 883–859 BCE. Mesopotamia, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu).

>>6575218
Here's the mandatory post bringing up Assyrian sculpture.

There's something about the stocky proportions of the figures, coupled with the muscularity of their arms and legs, that makes them feel powerful without impairing their elegance, so that a sense of loftiness can still be conveyed through the depiction of simple stances and gestures.

The sculptures in question are also nice visual sources for outfits and hairstyles.

Pic related is a pair of joined gypsum alabaster relief panels from the palace of the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II. Neo-Assyrian Period, ca. 883–859 BCE. Mesopotamia, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu).

>>6575218
Here's the mandatory post bringing up Assyrian sculpture.

There's something about the stocky proportions of the figures, coupled with the muscularity of their limbs, that makes them feel powerful without impairing their elegance, so that they can still convey a sense of loftiness in depictions involving the simplest stances and gestures.

More to the point, the artifacts in question are nice primary visual sources for outfits and hairstyles.

Pic related is a pair of joined gypsum alabaster relief panels from the palace of the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II. Neo-Assyrian Period, ca. 883-859 BCE. Mesopotamia, Nimrud (ancient Kalhu)

>>6574246
Photograph of a "mudang" (무당; 巫堂), a priestess of "Mu-ism" (Korean shamanism, also called "musok" [무속신앙; 巫俗信仰] or "mugyo" [무교; 巫敎]), wearing a ceremonial garb.

>>6574246
A photograph of a "mudang" (무당; 巫堂), a priestess of "Mu-ism" (Korean shamanism, also called "musok" [무속신앙; 巫俗信仰] or "mugyo" [무교; 巫敎]), wearing a ceremonial garb.

>>6574246
A photograph of a "mudang" (무당; 巫堂), a priestess of "Mu-ism" (Korean shamanism, also called "musok" [무속신앙; 巫俗信仰] or "mugyo" [무교; 巫敎]), wearing a ceremonial garb.

>>6574246
A photograph of a "mudang" (무당; 巫堂), a priestess of "Mu-ism" (Korean shamanism, also called "musok" [무속신앙; 巫俗信仰] or "mugyo" [무교; 巫敎]), wearing a ceremonial garb.

>>6568104
The Bat Imagin from the "Kamen Rider Den-O" series (2007-2008).

>>6579655
"Morgan-le-Fay" (circa 1863-1864) by Frederick Sandys.

>>6568113
>>6572219

>>6567994
If you ever want to pick through some character designs they have categories based on genre, setting, jobs, etc. There's a lot of good resources to pick through if you don't mind going through a pinterest.

https://characterdesignreferences.com/visual-library

>>6575218
>>6577630
Regarding ancient Persia, I feel that the art of the Achaemenid Empire (differences in stylistic body proportions aside) scratches a similar itch for monumental grandeur to that of the Assyrians, with the added benefit that some of those pieces depicting clothing have managed to reach us with their original coloration still intact.

Pic related is part of the "Frieze of Archers" (ca. 522-486 BC), a set of glazed relief panels from the Apadana Palace of Darius I in Susa, near modern-day Shush, Khuzestan Province, Iran.

>>6575438
Where can I download his art?

>>6582118
Asylas, an Etruscan augur, stands holding a scroll and a platter of entrails used for divination. Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, in "Tractatus posthumus Jani Jacobi Boissardi Vesuntini. De divinatione & magicis praestigiis" (1615) by Jean-Jacques Boissard.

>>6588547
Spurina [sic: Spurinna], the Etruscan haruspex who warned Julius Caesar of his doom on the Ides of March, stands holding a crescent aloft and a scroll in his other hand. Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, in "Tractatus posthumus Jani Jacobi Boissardi Vesuntini. De divinatione & magicis praestigiis" (1615) by Jean-Jacques Boissard.

>>6588547
Spurina [sic: Spurinna], the Etruscan haruspex who warned Julius Caesar of his doom on the Ides of March, stands holding a crescent aloft and a scroll in his other hand. Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, in "Tractatus posthumus Jani Jacobi Boissardi Vesuntini. De divinatione & magicis praestigiis" (1615) by Jean-Jacques Boissard.

I'm trying to make a "wonder woman" type character as in a warrior-superhero hybrid. What are some good reference points or things to keep in mind other than Wonder Woman herself.

>>6591477
My suggestion would be that you start the design process by taking cues from the main setting of the story involving your character (such as the general vibe and aesthetic that you want it to have), and then kinda reverse-engineer her appearance based on those cues.

Since you have mentioned Wonder Woman as an example, I suppose that, in terms of the setting, we're talking about something akin to a DC/Marvel-style comic-book universe.

Given the above, and assuming that you are willing to share some more details, could you describe to us the overall tone of your story? Does it lean more towards the campy side of the spectrum, or are you aiming for a "grittier" approach? Furthermore, is your character a stand-alone superhero, or is she part of a team?

And, last but no least, to what extent would you want your character to resemble Wonder Woman? Do you wish to make an obvious homage, or would you prefer a significant departure from her design?

Pic related, it shows a detail from a scene of Amazonomachy (battle of Greeks against Amazons). Attic red-figure lekythos (oil flask) by the Eretria Painter, ca. 420 BCE.

>>6568104
>>6581179
The Bat Undead from the "Kamen Rider Blade" series (2004-2005).

>>6568104
A close-up of an exemplar of lesser false vampire bat (Megaderma spasma), an insectivorous bat species from Southeast Asia.

>>6577630
>>6575218
Left: Costumes of Assyria (Before the Christian Era); High Priest, King. Right: Costumes of Meder [sic. Media] (Before the Christian Era); Distinguished Man and Woman. Hand-colored lithographed plate, after drawings by Andreas Müller, in "Zur Geschichte der Kostüme" ("The History of Costumes", ca. 1890), published by Braun & Schneider in Munich.

>>6577630
>>6575218
Left: Costumes of Assyria (Before the Christian Era); High Priest, King. Right: Costumes of Meder [sic. Media] (Before the Christian Era); Distinguished Man and Woman. Hand-colored lithographed plate, after drawings by Andreas Müller, in "Zur Geschichte der Kostüme" ("The History of Costumes", ca. 1890), published by Braun & Schneider in Munich.

>>6577630
>>6575218
Left: Costumes of Assyria (Before the Christian Era); High Priest, King. Right: Costumes of Meder [sic. Media] (Before the Christian Era); Distinguished Man and Woman. Hand-colored lithographed plate, after drawings by Andreas Müller, in "Zur Geschichte der Kostüme" ("The History of Costumes", ca. 1890), published by Braun & Schneider in Munich.

>>6577630
>>6575218
Left: Costumes of Assyria (Before the Christian Era); High Priest, King. Right: Costumes of Meder [sic. Media] (Before the Christian Era); Distinguished Man and Woman. Hand-colored lithographed plate, after drawings by Andreas Müller, in "Zur Geschichte der Kostüme" ("The History of Costumes", ca. 1890), published by Braun & Schneider in Munich.

Sorry if this is the wrong place, but is there a tool that generates REALLY precise 3D body-shape models for use as reference? Most of what I've seen only goes as far as Sex/Height/Weight/Waist/Chest. Something like that, but even more in depth that'll give me the wacky impossible cartoon anatomy I need.

I'm talkin
>Everything aforementioned +
>Shoulder span
>Torso to leg ratio
>Asymmetrical limb & digit resizing
>Neck length
>Bodyfat percentage
>Clear distinctions between skeletal frame & bulk due to fat or muscle
>Whatever else

Regardless, anyone got a good example of "big fucker with a long torso, gorilla arms, and a 30 inch shoulder span who has short legs, but the short legs are actually well defined enough to support such a massive upper body instead of being noodles"? Shouldn't be too hard to find except for the last part — nobody seems to get that right.

>>6598508
My apologies, I'm currently phoneposting. Hopefully, the image should be now in a horizontal position.

>>6585270
>>6575218
Persian Costumes (Ancient Times). Chromolithographed plate after drawings by Albert Kretschmer, in "The Costumes of All Nations" ("Die Trachten der Völker" [1864], 1882), illustrated by Albert Kretschmer, with text by Carl Rohrbach.

>>6590109
Shaman costume from Nenets in central Siberia. From polar explorer Knud Rasmussen, 1928.

>>6588547
Larger image.

>>6588547
Larger image.

>>6588547
Larger image.

>>6603969
A sorceress telling the future with corn and salt in Ghzannah (1835). Watercolor by Theodore Leblanc. The artwork depicts a female tribal witch-doctor in an Algerian village casting a horoscope for a sick boy using pieces of salt (bottom centre).

>Request thread
didn't read all that other shit but can you draw fligu gigu lynching seared bite? I fucking hate hearing that fat nigger smack his lips.

>>6575218
Queen Puabi's funerary ensemble. Mesopotamia, Sumerian, Ur (modern Tell el-Muqayyar, Dhi Qar Governorate, Iraq). Early Dynastic Illa period, ca. 2500 BC. Gold, lapis lazuli, carnelian, silver, and agate.

>>6605486
"Koschei". Costume design by Aleksandr Golovin for the ballet "The Firebird" ("L'Oiseau de feu", 1910) by Igor Stravinsky.

>>6567994
>Want to create an elf-like species for a fantasy setting
>Some sort of hybrid between humans and an alien species
>It has to look distinct enough, not just some human with pointy ears
>Sketch some stuff
>It ends looking like some naavi knockoff
>Sketch again
>Now it looks like that elf dude from Unicorn Warriors
>Realize that there's a whole trope dedicated to alternate elves (space elves)
>All the cool designs are already taken
>I don't want my design to look way too similar to anoter non-elf race, but i want to make sute that the audiencie knows these are inspired by elves.
what do? Would a design with hair + pointy ears + skin in cool tones be too deivative? I don't want to add extra arms or extra eyes.

>>6608851
I mean. This does look like anaavi, right?

>>6608851
I mean. This does look like a naavi, right?

>>6608851
>>6608876
Na'vi physiognomy is at its core that of furless feline humanoids, with their most recognizable cat-like features being the shape of their noses and the largeness of their eyes (John Rosengrant's team at Legacy Effects based the latter on the eyes of snow leopards, but changed their color to be golden rather than green).

In the case of your space-elf design, judging by its profile view, I personally get from it a sligthly more lemurid vibe than a feline one, which I think is mostly due to the relative bulginess of the eyes (as suggested by the shading), coupled with the shape and position of the ears. Hence, in terms of making a sufficient departure from James Cameron's giant Smurfs, I think that you're on the right track.

Furthermore, I would say that your space-elf looks more like a mixture between a Traag, from the animated film "Fantastic Planet" (1973), and a Gelfling, from the puppet movie ""The Dark Crystal" (1982), with a sprinkle of a moe-ish rendition of a blue oni from Japanese folklore.

That said, what really calls to mind the resemblance to the Na'vi's design is the color palette of your character, specifically the blue skin and the yellowy green eyes. In case you haven't done it already (and unless there's a relevant plot reason for said color palette), my suggestion would be that you experiment by trying various color combinations for the skin, eyes and hair of your species, until you find one that is appealing enough without it looking too generic (for instance, purple and orange are not used as frequently as other fictional skin colors, like blue and green).

Pic related is a close-up of an exemplar of Eastern lesser bamboo lemur (Hapalemur griseus griseus) from Madagascar.

>>6608851
>>6608876
Na'vi physiognomy is at its core that of furless feline humanoids, with their most recognizable cat-like features being the shape of their noses and the largeness of their eyes (John Rosengrant's team at Legacy Effects based the latter on the eyes of snow leopards, but changed their color to be golden rather than green).

In the case of your space-elf design, judging by its profile view, I personally get from it a sligthly more lemurid vibe than a feline one, which I think is mostly due to the relative bulginess of the eyes (as suggested by the shading), coupled with the shape and position of the ears. Hence, in terms of making a sufficient departure from James Cameron's giant Smurfs, I think that you're on the right track.

Furthermore, I would say that your space-elf looks more like a mixture between a Traag, from the animated film "Fantastic Planet" (1973), and a Gelfling, from the puppet movie ""The Dark Crystal" (1982), with a sprinkle of a moe-ish rendition of a blue oni from Japanese folklore.

That said, what really calls to mind the resemblance to the Na'vi's design is the color palette of your character, specifically the blue skin and the yellowy green eyes. In case you haven't done it already (and unless there's a relevant plot reason for said color palette), my suggestion would be that you experiment by trying various color combinations for the skin, eyes and hair of your species, until you find one that is appealing enough without it looking too generic (for instance, purple and orange are not used as frequently as other fictional skin colors, like blue and green).

Pic related is a close-up of an exemplar of Eastern lesser bamboo lemur (Hapalemur griseus griseus) from Madagascar.

>>6610193
>>6608851
>>6608876
Speaking of lemurs and space, the "Star Wars Legends" franchise has the Lurmen, an alien lemuroid species. They appeared in the 2008 computer-animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars".

>>6610193
>>6608851
>>6608876
Speaking of lemurs and space, the "Star Wars Legends" franchise has the Lurmen, an alien lemuroid species. They appeared in the 2008 computer-animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars".

>>6610193
>>6608851
>>6608876
Speaking of lemurs and space, the "Star Wars Legends" franchise has the Lurmen, an alien lemuroid species. They appeared in the 2008 computer-animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars".

>>6608851
seethrough skin
antennas attached to ears

>>6610193
>>6608851
>>6608876
Speaking of lemurs and space, the "Star Wars Legends" franchise has the Lurmen, an alien lemuroid species. They appeared in the 2008 computer-animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars".

>>6608811
A Hadrianic classicist marble relief of triple-bodied Hecate, the ancient Greek goddess of crossroads, magic, and necromancy.

>>6608811
A Hadrianic classicist marble relief of triple-bodied Hecate, the ancient Greek goddess of crossroads, magic, and necromancy.

>>6568104
>black coded
What does that mean?

>>6615152
The exaggerated swagger of a black teen.

>>6615154
Ah, i figured figured as such, but it didnt make sense since the character is philipino. Couldnt the character be actually black? Or perhaps this is a coward's way of creating an "urban" personality with out being called a racist?

>>6591477
Check the "sword and sorcery" genre. You will find lots of inspiration for warrior and barbarian characters.

>>6608851

>>6615106
"Oberon". Costume design by C. Wilhelm (1858-1925) for "A Midsummer Night's Dream" by William Shakespeare, produced by Robert Courtneidge at the Prince's Theatre in Manchester, England.

>>6615106
"Oberon". Costume design by C. Wilhelm (1858-1925) for "A Midsummer Night's Dream" by William Shakespeare, produced by Robert Courtneidge at the Prince's Theatre in Manchester, England.

>>6575151
>Julian Seaman

>>6612912
>>6610193
>>6608851
>>6608876
The aye-aye spirit from the animated series "The Legend of Korra" (2012-2014).

>>6620976
Shaman costume. Evenki (Manegry) ethnic group; Siberia, Russia; around late 19th century to early 20th century. Acquired in 1910.

>>6567994
I need some inspiration for a ghost greek character, but all "ghostly" or hades ghosts from paintings just dresses in some naked-top loincloth without details.