/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Based Patreon.

expose them

Why do people even use that trash in the first place? Why not just host your own website like shadman?

>>6574104
Are you 16? Why is this a problem?

>>6574129
>bro why is it a problem to just give away your real identity to corporate and government interest groups bro?
"Safety" is always the pretense for surveillance

>>6574104
Kek, you just know some Patreon ethot was exposed as being underage or something. It's bad enough using PayPal, just imagine Patreon having your legal ID tied to your coom art.

>>6574157
Imagine drawing coom art at 16, why the fuck would you do that instead of actually getting laid? You CAN get laid right?

You vill hand all your private date, and you vill like it

>gives cooms a bigger handicap so sfw can stand a chance
Based patreon

>>6574114
>Why not just host your own website like shadman?
link?

>>6574129
Why do you need a lock on the bathroom? Why do you have curtains in your house?

>>6574162
>>6574129
I don't think it is unusual for people of legal age to be hesitant about giving their ID over to a company precisely to prove that they're legally allowed to peddle adult art. Just look at the stink caused by that Ashley Maddison leak.

>>6574129

>Why is this a problem?

Pedophiles

>>6574104
so that's it? Payment processors are the ultimate Gods of earth?

>>6574173
>I HECKIN' LOVE CORPORATIONS

>>6574299
hoooly based

>>6574104
>It's another "Just don't be a pedophile and you won't have to worry." episode.
Glad i don't have that problem.

Do not put your government ID on the internet. Police, Airport Security, Bank, School, Employer only.

More information to get doxed when patreon gets inevitably databreached

>>6574639
>Do not put your government ID on the internet
Pretty much, patreon will be a target for hackers, watch we getting news in 5 years that it has been hacked and personal info leaked. Just use any patreon alternative and hustle to get people from other social media to spend their hard earned money on some coom shit

There's subscribe star
How many of you even have patreons?

>>6574697
So use patreon for sfw and use trashstar for coom? Might as well get a kofi as well

>>6574716
No, just transfer completely to subscribestar

>>6574720
That’s dumb, trashstar is known for coom and normies won’t go there for sfw.

>>6574724
Then doxx yourself I guess

>>6574129
We really are recycling the same old arguments every decade.

>>6574729
Are you retarded? You only have to give gov id for coom shit you dumb esl.

>>6574732
Are you? Government ID has your fucking address, name, and face on it.

>>6574639
And the faster that list shrinks, the better.

>>6574104
Shouldn't entering a bank card number be enough evidence for likely maturity? While I am in agreement they should prove they're 18, I dislike the idea of giving another stupid, likely to be hacked company that some important and personal documentation.

I just outright do not send such stuff over email or on internet forms - but patreon doesn't have a office you can visit.

>>6574736
no you pedo he has nothing to hide, they won't come after him next, being arrested for drawn depictions of non-consensual sex without a condom will never happen, only 95% of all cartoon characters ever created are underage, he's not a pedophile because only he jacks off to underage characters portrayed as disgusting, misshapen, obese abominations with hairy armpits, inflated muscles and beach ball tits, drawing pornographic cartoons in general, which is a form of media regularly aimed at children, will not be called pedophilic next, they won't come for him, his sexuality is legal, you're a sick pedo and he has nothing to hide

>>6574114
>Why do people even use that trash in the first place?
Ease of use and popularity. Plus managing your own website comes with hassles of its own, especially if you deal in content most companies frown upon and leaves you vulnerable to harassment from assholes.

>>6574104
>its finally happening
I was right once again.
No more underage fags drawing anime titties for money and flooding the market.

Remember; companies only change rules when there is a legal threat looming in the background.

Also, how is that a problem? Your bank knows what you're doing.
You ISP knows what you jerk off to and can be easily accessed by glowies if they need to.
Verifying your legal age to sell adult content shouldn't be a problem, unless you're on a list.

I like seeing my memes become reality.

You're worried about privacy?
They'll use this to van anyone drawing anime characters that are not fat enough to pass as old hags.

>>6574189
Not him, but I live in Brazil, that's why.

>>6574179
Its defunct now because of issues in his personal life. But I dont see why other artists can't do the same

Crypto has and always been the best way forward

>>6574114
You still need a way to gather that cash.

>>6574104
Oh boy, more doxxing.

>>6574274
>Ashley Maddison
It's bonkers that there is a website specifically made to help with cheating.

>>6574274
It's hilarious how easily it is for these leaks to happen now too. Nearly all of them recently has been from some stupid employee getting caught by a phishing link and the "hackers" get in that way through the employee's own credentials. It happened to Lastpass, it happens to game companies (Capcom, Rockstar, Stalker devs) so what's it to stop from happening to patreon?

>>6574978
It's very easy to implement a paywall on a website

>>6575026
Who will be processing the payments?
If it's banks, then won't it show your bank info? Won't bank object against NSFW stuff?

>>6575048
i do NSFW art commissions and take the payment through paypal, it's easy to get around. just don't say you're drawing porn in the statement and it's that simple

>>6575051
But Paypal can always look up your Twitter account and I'm sure one report from troll or butthurt commissioner will be enough to get you banned as well.

>>6575057
some of the most popular furry coomer artists have been getting away with it for well over a decade, you'd think all of the popular ones would have their paypal and bank accounts nuked by now

>>6575061
This is pretty weird, actually.
Is there some sort of bribery going on on Paypal actually doesn't give a shit and just does a lip service?
On other hand, them wanting to fine for $1500 for some bullshit is a major red flag.

damn cryptochads won this one
i kneel techbros

>>6575088
yeah i was gonna propose using monero for comms but that would require commissioners to buy monero which i assume most wouldn't go out of their way to do

>>6574634
>In today's news. Local anon revealed to be the artist behind ,technically legal, pony scat inflation art. Here's a picture of his face next to one of his pieces.

>>6575088
>damn cryptochads won this one
>crypto still tanking and most normies don’t want to touch that
Lul

>>6575302
But it's not tanking? Even if it was stable coins are always a thing. And normies will end up using it no matter what when CBDC comes into play

>>6575048
why would a bank give a fuck? as long as they are making money they could care less if you were selling aborted fetuses in a jar

>>6575416
So the NSFW ban is mostly done by payment processor companies? Fucking assholes.

>>6575432
That would be right, it's always from visa or mastercard

>>6575432
yeah pretty much

>>6575416
onlyfans said it was their banks screwing them over. They named BNY Mellon, JPMorgan, and Metro Bank for going after onlyfans ethots and refusing to transact with anyone related to the site

>>6575451
damn just don't use those banks then
i use wells fargo and never had them shut me down for drawing porn

>>6575453
Because you're not big enough. But fact is banks do go after companies that facilitate porn

>>6574104
lmao rip loli and pedo artist

People have been using tech to bypass KYC for awhile now. This is where AI will probably come in handy now.

Based Patreon.

Get fucked coomers

>>6575469
they aren't allowed on patreon in the first place so I don't know why you're baiting

>>6575068
Of course they don't give a shit. They're trying to make money.

>>6574895
>issues in his personal life
That's a funny way of saying "arrested for assault with a deadly weapon".

>>6574129
Tax evasion

>>>6574104
Thats only for Mastercard users, right?

>>6575721
in fucking los angeles. he could've thrown a rock at someone and get that kind of charge.

>>6574104
>give your personal info to a company named Jumio
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/jumio.com
fucking lol

>>6574104
PATREON ALTERNATIVES
>subscribestar
Allegedly stopped accepting new signups
>fanbox
Tried to ban loliguro but backtracked for now, seems to be the number 2 choice for patrons
>fantia
Poor Eng tl but the best way to deliver all tiered content in one post. Cannot make a withdrawal until you make around $500 each
>boosty (?)
Russkie patreon. Seems easy to use. Unknown if internationals can use but a number of Ukrainian artists do

>>6576079
I wonder if fanbox is more profitable than patreon, considering that japs prefer to buy than pirate things

>>6574104
>we want people with the wrong political opinions to be barred from society and, if we had our way, imprisoned
>btw, could you send me your ID?
Also, more taxes.

>>6574628
what if I hate coomers AND corporations?

>>6576089
Are you ok with lolis, not vanilla?

>>6574162
yeah anytime I want, with your mom

>>6574716
Kofi is just a front for paypal. I bought something from someone there and it showed me their real name in full.

>>6575451
I don't use those banks and I have never had issues with smut before. In fact, onlyfans triggered my bank's anti fraud division many times.

>>6576092
surely you should simp on the side of corporations.

>>6576057
He's an heroin addict too

>>6576646
>REEE you HAVE to denigrate the loli artist!!!
I dont care

>>6574104
>banks and payment processors ban transactions for nsfw and coom
>openly promote and invest in lgbt and coom as company policy
why do dis?

>>6576648
Your seething says other wise, troon.

>>6574104
I don't get it. Let's assume you're 16 or something, and you peddle NSFW stuff. How does the law handle it? You can't show NSFW to minors, but how do you legally deal with minors producing legal NSFW?

>>6575057
>>6575061
>some of the most popular furry coomer artists have been getting away with it for well over a decade, you'd think all of the popular ones would have their paypal and bank accounts nuked by now
>>6575068
>This is pretty weird, actually.
>Is there some sort of bribery going on on Paypal actually doesn't give a shit and just does a lip service?
>On other hand, them wanting to fine for $1500 for some bullshit is a major red flag.
My guess is that no one knows what the FUCK is going on. Theres a decent chance that there isn't any real standard behind the scenes at paypal.
>>6575048
>If it's banks, then won't it show your bank info? Won't bank object against NSFW stuff?
>>6575416
>why would a bank give a fuck? as long as they are making money they could care less if you were selling aborted fetuses in a jar
>>6575432
>So the NSFW ban is mostly done by payment processor companies? Fucking assholes.
>>6575451
>>6575461
>Because you're not big enough. But fact is banks do go after companies that facilitate porn
The thing to remember is that companies are not perfectly rational. They don't always act in their best interest.
I'm not the biggest fan of the porn industry, but theres a LOT of puritans in the usa who hate anything remotely sexual.

>>6575453
>i use wells fargo and never had them shut me down for drawing porn
Yeah, but that means you are using wells fargo.

>>6576682
In most cases nothing would happen. But kids have been arrested for taking pictures of themselves. Not common, but it happens.

As far as I can tell no body knows what would happen if a minor draws NSFW art. Maybe you could get arrested for showing yourself NSFW? But i genuinely have no idea, and its likely that no one actually knows.

>>6576690
>muh puritans
Why do you fags always bring that up as an all-compassing argument for why porn has problems?

The actual matter is that the adult porn industry is not exactly clean and there is a lot of human trafficking and crime going on, so of course, payment processors don't want to touch that money or they'd be fucked by government in the very graphic literal sense, not because of puritans.
Banks don't give a shit what you do your money with as long as it's not with crimes.

>>6574135
>>bro why is it a problem to just give away your real identity to corporate and government interest groups bro?
Just out of curiosity, do you think "corporate and government interest groups" (whatever that means) have no way of establishing the identity of a Patreon without them supplying an ID?

>>6576698
>Why do you fags always bring that up as an all-compassing argument for why porn has problems?
Because it is part of the problem. Theres a lot of Christian groups in the usa who hate anything sexual.


>The actual matter is that the adult porn industry is not exactly clean and there is a lot of human trafficking and crime going on, so of course, payment processors don't want to touch that money or they'd be fucked by government in the very graphic literal sense, not because of puritans.
>Banks don't give a shit what you do your money with as long as it's not with crimes.
I'm aware of the issues in the porn industry.its why I said im not the biggest fan of the porn industry.

The thing is that these rules dont just apply to where they would make sense.They payment restrictions are gonna apply to drawings as well.

>>6576705
>Because it is part of the problem
It's not. Banks and payment processor couldn't give less of a shit if you worshipped the devil and made money streaming goat sacrifices.
Are you underage or just retarded?
>The thing is that these rules dont just apply to where they would make sense.They payment restrictions are gonna apply to drawings as well.
In specific cases, payment processors and banks can also be liable if they enable minors to receive adult content or for sellers to sell adult content to minors, or enabling sex offenders to buy and sell, etcetera.

These regulations are just for precautious.
That you, average joe, can't sell your furry porn comms to some 40 year old basement dweller, is none of their concern.

>>6574104
Can you even commission someone there?

>>6574104
glad I went the bikini pin-up route

>>6574299
but patreon is full of leftists...

>>6576757
wow pls tell me more shit this got me so curios
btw what your mother's maiden name?
What was the name of your first pet?
Wow ur so interesting already
i love you and want to give you money

>>6576761
>cumbrains
>leftist
Ok retard

Fucking christcucks ruining everything else as usual
Other countries have no problems paying and buying in this field but of course ZOGmutts has to obediently follow their schizo desert kike cult

>>6576770
> Other countries have no problems paying and buying in this field
>every other country with their currency going to shit
Yeah because your country is fucking garbage

>>6574104
yeah make it easier for twitards to dox you or in case of a leak get hacked
>>6574114
not everyone can afford a website just for there art(and make your own website sites have limits)
>>6574895
dont sugar coat it
he got arrested for assault
>>6576098
nta but idc and ill even consider drawing it just out of spite against twitards
cause they saying shit like were "watering down the term pedo" yet thats there own fault for attacking random artists some of which dont even do loli just short women and being hypocrites (as usual) for wanting to molest real minors so fuck twitter

>>6576700
If they can already identify you why do they suddenly need a government backed id?

>>6576792
It's less work to identify you with it, without it they need to do some legwork to know who you are specifically and with certainty

>>6576698
>Banks don't give a shit what you do your money with as long as it's not with crimes.
They literally do give a shit, crime or not, they give so much of a shit that regulations had to be drafted to stop them from just arbitrarily blacklisting legally registered businesses from using their payment networks

>>6576775
>>every other country with their currency going to shit
>dollar is standard global currency
>USA decides to fucking DOUBLE the total amount of dollars in the world
>inflation affects everyone
>your country is just shit lol"

>>6576799
So youre saying there is currently a chance somebody could forge an identity or otherwise conceal themselves from being identified by government and corporate interest groups?

>>6576929
They just wouldn't want to block the wrong person, that is bad PR. And Patreon get to skip asking paypal for info

How much data does patreon sell? I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my id on it and see it rather pointless as other anons said the goverment could easily verify you through it anyway without it.

>>6576941
It would be Jumio selling it. Which seems like they do unless you are in California in which they need your permission to sell your data.

>>6574104
The reason for ID is the same (porn) sites started asking for ID if you're a content creator, they don't want to deal with the law for allowing kids to create pornographic content even if it's all just drawings

>>6574104
>CEO
every fucking t i m e

>>6575295
Being responsible is kinda 101 adulthood

>>6574189
I don’t need a lock on my bathroom cuz I live alone and I have curtains up cuz sun hurts my eyes :(

>>6574162
well lets see here, a single piece of coom art could make you a few hundred dollars, and potentially thousands monthly... or you get to work fucking mcdonalds for as low as they can pay you, maybe an amazon picker, I know how about gas station...no wait need to be 21 for that now...

I wonder why anyone 16 wouldn't love to be able to draw smut for a real payout opposed to every other option.

>>6576695
>>6576682
as the law is currently, if you are under age and take a pic of yourself, you are charged with cp production, you are charged with cp distribution, and even if you told everyone you are over 18, they are charged with cp possession.

for art, as in draws/3d, I have no fucking idea how you handle that because im not sure its ever gone though court.

>>6574114
>Why do people even use that trash in the first place?
>Why not just host your own website like shadman?

Shadman's based af, but not everyone's as based as him.
Nor do we have his popularity, I don't even have 1% of his followers.
He's got over 700k fans on twitter alone, and his fanbase size is big enough make his website hella lucrative.
Last I checked Shad's a multi-millionaire because of his website, and youtube channel.

>>6574104
Why are people so surprised that you cant earn money anonymously?

If you want to earn money anonymously use crypto, otherwise if you use the mans currency you gotta follow the mans rules

>>6579363
Yeah no shit, this is about giving more information than needed. People already give up their anonymity as soon as they link their paypal or bank details

The reason they're doing this is because payment processors are spooked by anyone selling "adult content" due to the risk of potentially facilitating the monetization of cheese pizza or content involving trafficked people. You might think this doesn't apply to non-photo art work, but consider the fact that many governments have criminalized the creations, sale, purchasing or possession of "simulated" cp. In other words, art (whether drawn or created with CG) that depicts minors in a sexual explicit manner.

In some places, if you create rule 34 artwork of Bart and Lisa Simpson, you can be charged with the creation of cp. Likely? Probably not, but just the possibility is enough to spook payment processors.

>>6579363
>If you want to earn money anonymously use crypto
Almost no cryptocurrency is actually anonymous. Monero is probably the most popular one with anonymity baked in. There are methods to obfuscate Bitcoin transactions, but they add complexity to something already complex enough that most people won't even consider it to begin with, and the easiest methods of using Bitcoin have KYC right from the get-go anyway.

>>6574162
literally every single teen I met who was getting into art was drawing porn, I assume the easy attention factor matters but at a baseline level I just think they have nothing inside
it's pretty bleak

>>6574889
Kys, tits are eternal

>>6579641

>>6579403
You faggots are so easy to fool it's ridiculous. These motherfuckers do not give one single fuck about "simulated cp" or cheese pizza. It's so they can identify you and ensure you are taxed or cancelled if necessary. That's it.

What are the chances picrel happened to coom artist too since the company has your ID that linked to your passport?

>>6579403
do you seriously think this is to catch nsfw artists who draw loli? dumb faggot. it's so kids can't sell porn art anymore and they can more easily collect taxes and charge you for fraud.

>>6580080
Holy based, no more turd world shitters fucking up comp prices. Please this needs to happen

>>6580053
>>6580083
Of course taxes factor into the equation, but you're massively underestimating the panic lawyers for payment processors get into when cp or trafficking comes up. Remember when payment processors threatened to cut off Porn Hub when there was that kerfuffle over alleged cp and videos featuring women who claimed to be trafficked? PH basically wiped out their entire catalog in response.

Why do you think payment processors like PayPal have an outright ban on using the service for the sale of adult content? Same thing.

>>6574104
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>>6575432
They do it because they don't want to be on the hook for facilitating cheese pizza sales. Payment processor pressure was a big part of what caused OnlyFans to consider dropping NSFW, because all it takes is one girl who can't wait until her birthday next week to post a booty pic to get the whole organization taken down for hosting cheese pizza, and the payment processors would be on the hook too.

>>6579353
He was getting kicked out of shitholes in skid row. Any money he made he shot into his veins long ago. He's not based either, he's just an edgelord grifter who outsourced most of his work and spent his last few years online trying to get ewhores to fuck him (unsuccessfully)

>t. Actually know the rat

>>6576057
Anon he went on a police shootout while having a fuckton of heroin on his system

>>6574634
Imagine being this much of a useful idiot.

>>6574853

>>6579334
>for art, as in draws/3d, I have no fucking idea how you handle that because im not sure its ever gone though court.
There have been cases where adults have been prosecuted for obscenity, but i've never heard of a case where a minor is prosecuted for it. Keep in mind that obscenity is prosecuted very rarely, and nobody actually knows what sort of art would be illegal.

>>6582058
obscenity laws tend to fall apart on appeals, but yea, they are a catch all for "we can't make specific things illegal, but we don't want them" dildos have fallen under that law, as well as 2 men having sex with each other in their bedroom when a jilted lover called the cops on them and said there was a hostage situation...

but i'm more wondering how a pornographic piece of art drawn/made by someone under 18 would be handled by the law. would it be on the kid, would it be on the adult, or would it even be illegal at that point? i'm sure an obscenity law could be slapped on it, or some law that prohibits corruption of children, but i'm not 100% sure we have one of those on a national level.

>>6582436
true i cant belive people still belive his stuff after the boring company tunnel

>>6582680
wrong thread sorry

>be twelve
>go take a shower
>see myself naked in the mirror
>parents have to go to jail now

>>6580617
source?

>>6574135
you already give them all your info, this a slippery horizontal plane

>>6574135
This shit has been going on long enough. I will give up as many rights as necessary to entirely remove underages from the internet. Everything eventually gets fucked because of 15 year olds pretending to be 19

>>6582436
>i'm sure an obscenity law could be slapped on it, or some law that prohibits corruption of children, but i'm not 100% sure we have one of those on a national level.
There are federal laws that prohibit corruption of children. and they don't say that the person being charged has to be an adult:

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-obscenity


Note that this is just a summary of the relevant laws. It doesn't take into account any case law on the matter which is a weird can of worms. My understanding is that this has been litigated so little that it remains in this weird gray zone.

>>6576698
>crime going on, so of course, payment processors don't want to touch that money
Several big banks have been caught laundering money for cartels, corrupt governments, and international drug smuggling operations. JPMorgan and NY Mellon Bank (one of the banks that tried to shut down onlyfans btw) have been caught before and got off with fines at best.

>>6584339
the laws do state 'knowingly' meaning if you don't know or have no idea, it seems you would be investigated but nothing major would happen beyond that, because it give you very plausible deniability at every single state.

but these laws also seem to encompass loli, which at least in the us, every time a law gets passed banning it, groups come in and get it struck down. so i'm not really sure how much of these laws really hold ground, its likely something only slapped on people who want to make whatever they got just go away and don't fight it.