/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6559532
There's at least 8 good posts on the previous tablet, that's like a whole day.
Having said that, everything to avoid the shitty OP.

>>6559539
*thread

>>6559539
wacumguzzler makes a new thread at 290 posts almost every single time.
also there have been like 50 posts today. just kill that one off and migrate here.
sage posts if you want just to not bump it.

>>6559539
>>6559544
Always thought that the OP was the default one
But holy fuck he took brand sucking to a whole new level, the time wasted on it could be used to draw...

>>6559639
>the time wasted on it could be used to draw...
That could be said about this entire website

>>6560046
To this board,but agreed

>>6559532
>spamming the previous thread so you can accelerate to the bump limit
Just sad, Zhang.

>>6559532

I'm thinking of buying this XPpen tablet as a noob to drawing:
https://www.amazon.com/10x6-25-Graphics-Battery-Free-Shortcut-Pressure/dp/B077P6BQP7/
>XPPen Deco 01 V2 Drawing Tablet 10x6.25

Is this a good choice for a cheap screenless tablet as a noob, or are there better ones?
I want something that has tilt.

uhh, huion bros i dont feel so good..
at least you cant see the grain

Has anyone used the Concepts app? Thoughts?

>>6560146
I've had good results with my Deco pro, which I imagine is probably reasonably close.. I've heard there were some minor issues with the V1 of the Deco 01 but that they were fixed in the V2. Hard to beat the price point desu. The actual pens XP Pen uses can be overly sensitive at factory default, but they also have a tuning screw so you can lower it if the pressure is too jumpy.

>>6560091
Really dude? Lmao, someone post em

meme tablet general should be pruned as it provides no useful info and is just console warring.

>>6560158
What is this a picture of?

I think I need a fucking screen cover or something, mine builds up dust and shit so fast.

hey!

was curious to see if anyone has a fix for the way brushes behave ?

I have an ipad pro m1 and a huion kamvas 22.

I got a brush from the clip studio assets and i have modified it for my own needs.

However, the brush in clip studio pro on the ipad behave a bit different than on my pc.

Is it related to the operating system ?
The pressure sensitivity and all that have been copied exactly as it is on the ipad.

Thanks in advance.

What model intuos is this?

>>6560827
Wacom Intuos Creative CTH480

>>6560832
>6x4 drawing area
What the fuck

>>6560836
Yeah,this is the small one

>>6560841
>>6560832
It's actually a 680
But it's missing the stylus

>>6560496
an idiot who doesn't understand that in order to compare a screen you need them to be in the exact same place with the camera in the same position
it's amusing because they may be right but the comparison is so poorly done it might as well just been a photo of their crusty asshole.

>>6561043
I don't understand what the point he's trying to make even is

>>6561108
i bought a tablet and it is bleeding light out the arse thats about it.

So the chinks own /dtg/ now?

>>6561370
Schizo time

>>6561370
>m-my /dtg/ was taken from me
>that's all I had in this world
>how am I supposed to pay tribute to the wacom gods now?
>dammit, ch-chang! :(

>>6560146
If you just start out most modern tablets are perfectly fine

>>6561370
Zhang spammed the last thread to the bump limit in a couple of hours cause he was desperate to create the new thread.

>>6561718
Projection

>>6561718
You enjoyed being ass raped you sick fuck. You even came for more

What tablet should I get? My main monitor is 27" and I used Linux, should I shoot for a medium sized Wacom?

>>6561908
i think the size medium is perfect for a pen tablet, i hated drawing with large models, I only got one because I fell for the "use your whole arm" meme but after a while, I realized it feels weird to draw in big gestures when you use a pen tablet so i sized down which was much nicer

>>6561918
>I fell for the "use your whole arm" meme
As crabs often say, "pyw".

>>6561908
I just want to back up what >>6561918
said as I have a intous pro L and wish I got the medium instead. It takes up so much damn space and you never use it because of the "stroke scaling" or whatever it's called (you draw a 1 inch line on the tablet it makes a 1.7 inch line on the canvas)

>>6561920
lol I just didn't draw with my whole arm when I used a pen tablet, I switched over to a display tablet so of course, I use my arm now because it feels natural now since I'm basically drawing on a big canvas but here I repost my fat bird from the last thread

>>6561918
>>6561925
Thanks! I think I'll probably go with a medium used One by Wacom

>>6561937
that's a great tablet for beginners, I'm sure you won't be disappointed

>>6561926
Nice fat bird
Very cute
And I understand your point, my only meaningful digital drawing experience has been on displays so I didn't really think about how weird it would be to draw the same way on a pen tablet

what is the best screenless tablet for less than 160usd, deco pro?

>>6562008
a used intuos pro off ebay

>>6562008
>deco pro
I have the M and I like mine. The Deco 01 v2 is cheaper though if you're just looking to save money. It's a little bit smaller (and doesn't have the dial, but it's not like that's super useful)

Is this going to be another thread where the chink spacker calls everyone a schizo?

>>6562008
I bought an Intuos 4 for 20 bucks, came with the standard pen which was beat to hell but I managed to restore it and clean it and I still use it.

>>6562383
>buying used crap
>and then spending the time to have to fix it up and clean some weird fucker's hand grease off it
Was it really worth the ~20 bucks you saved?

>>6562390
Still a better tablet than anything a chinese pissant like you could ever recommend.

>>6562401
>recommends used and old shit
>new chinese stuff does it better
Why you can't admit defeat?No one here will buy old stuff,neither the pricey ass stuff

>>6562401
It's real schizo hours anons!

So how many times will you respond to that post, Zhang? Enough to offset whatever potential sales you might lose?

If money is basically no issue, what's the best existing or soon-to-exist workstation tablet on the market? I have a 6700 xt, will probably upgrade to a 4090 eventually, so let's just take the 4090 as a given. Also have an excellent 32 inch 4k monitor.

I'm open to either a big tablet with a screen or a big tablet with no screen. What's the best out there?

Any good software for digital oil on the s6 lite?

>>6562376
>>6562408
Schizo spotted

>>6562429
Are you used to tablets? A pent tablet can take a bit of transition time if you're not used to the disconnected of looking at your monitor while your hand is drawing elsewhere.

>>6562390
Yes, it paid itself multiple times already and I'm still using it today. I also have the Classic pen, Art Pen and the Pro Pen1 which I bought all new, the extra Grip Pen was more of a bonus, the new Wacom grips were 7 bucks.

>>6560091
Fuck you, my name is Chin. Chin motherfucker! CHIN!

>>6559532
> Magne-doodle
Marvelous taste, OP.

>iPad Pro 12.9 M2
>Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360
Ugh, which one should I get guys?

>>6562793
Samsung, because it's also a PC, so you can avoid drawing on it's shitty screen and use an actual drawing tablet.
If it's for portability, Apple, totally.

>>6562429
medium intuos pro felt good on a 32 inch qhd monitor (might have prefered large). i ended up getting 4k screen tablet a few months later anyway. its naturally easier/faster to draw on so you might as well just get a 4k screen tablet straight away if you can afford it because you might end up buying it anyway.
for screen i guess either huion 24 pro 4k or wacom 27 cintiq pro (2022), the new wacom will be way better but it is double the price, i got the huion and kind of regret it due to minor imperfections (horrible light bleed on dark dolors, paralax, grain/greasy appearance on whites, worse pen (for my hands), kind of small at 24 inches) but at least i saved some money

also, note that the wacom might have similar imperfections (maybe to a lesser degree)

Yeah, pretty much confirmed to be a pen display.
Size I wouldn't know but the closeup and the small size of what seems to be some stand in relation to that corner, seems to indicate is gonna be a big size.

>>6563968
Xencelabs has been very cheeky lately, yesterday they made an Instagram story where they flat-out called out Wacom for having shitty Mac drivers, I DMd them (since I didn't knew comments on stories turned to DMs) about them having a lot of confidence if they're calling out the leading brand just like that and not doing the classic "other brands", I was expecting something corporate but they send a fire emoji.

I remember that OP posts say that surface tablets are pretty bad, have they improved at all?

>>6564045
>have they improved at all?
They have, but still not worth it at all.

>>6564045
They have improved A LOT.
I spent like 20-30 mins on a BestBuy yesterday using their only Surface Pro 9 on display (literally nobody visit the MS area its sad), the experience on OneNote was pretty damn good.
But that's where it stops, since these devices are always on and with screens on you realize how warm the little shit gets. It's not loud or obnoxiously hot but it gets WARM just by existing with the screen turned on and no active processes (I checked Task Manager and it was only regular Windows shit and the OneNote app)
I would hate to draw for long hours on such a device because that gets uncomfortable fast. This is something I found with the latest Tab S8 tablets as well (it's the horrible chip they use, same problem as their older S22 phone lineup that was fixed in S23)
And that's where, as much as I hate them, Apple comes into play, the iPad is just a superior drawing experience PERIOD. Fucking strong CPU/GPU (Clip Studio doesn't stutter at all) and way less clutter than a regular desktop OS, not to mention the pen is tried and tested for years already and used in professional work everywhere.

https://youtu.be/KwgbaMbjNg8?t=102

kek timestamped link

>>6563968
>>6563976
The price point is probably gonna be fairly close to a cintiq isn't it? Given that their pen tablets seem in the ballpark to intuous.

>>6560146
>I'm thinking of buying this XPpen tablet as a noob to drawing:
>https://www.amazon.com/10x6-25-Graphics-Battery-Free-Shortcut-Pressure/dp/B077P6BQP7/
>>XPPen Deco 01 V2 Drawing Tablet 10x6.25
>Is this a good choice for a cheap screenless tablet as a noob, or are there better ones?
>I want something that has tilt.

How does the "HUION H610 Pro V2" compare to it?
https://www.amazon.com/Graphic-Drawing-Function-Battery-Free-Pressure/dp/B07DPC98DT/

its currently a little cheaper

bros I just bought a Huion Kamvas Pro 16 Plus 4K

It gets here tomorrow, can't wait.

>>6564978
Very based
Let us know how it is

>>6564975
What about this one HUION Inspiroy H1060P .
https://www.amazon.com/HUION-Inspiroy-Graphics-Battery-Free-Sensitivity/dp/B01FTE9HS2

Please hand hold me. I have no idea which is better or which is the latest model and shit.
These names are obtuse

can someone explain to me why my $1300 huion's color seems to suck dick compared to my way cheaper viewsonic monitor and my phone. i tried calibrating it for like 2 hours but couldnt get it right, do i have to bring it to a shop to get it calibrated or are the colors going to be worse no matter what?

>>6565111
>my $1300 huion
Gonna need more details than that. Did you install drivers and everything?

>>6565116
huion kamvas 24 4k. yep, been using it for a couple days drivers all set up

>>6559532
Managed to get an unopened intuos pro medium PTH-651 off ebay for 150 euros. Looking forward to testing how much better the old intuos were.

>>6565119
What's wrong with the colors?

>>6565169
I just bought an Intuos 4 PTK-640 for just 15€, zoomers don't want anything less than the latest gadgets.

>>6565111
Did you google ICC profiles for your monitor? Unless you have a calibration tool ($$$$) relying on someone else's ICC profile that does have one us your best bet. Or just Google calibration settings and hope someone else's is good. Alternatively try this https://youtu.be/avJTz1JhkR4

>>6565169
why woudl the older ones be better?
is it because they were built to last longer or somethign?

>>6565289
The new intuos pro line introduced the paperlike surface gimmick which burns your nibs to shreds unless you get 3rd party protectors, forcing you to keep hooked and purchasing replacements every few months. The older models didnt have that, and thus everything lasts pretty much forever. (That is, until driver support ends)

>>6565300
>which burns your nibs to shreds
Stop stabbing your fucking pen, you troglodyte.
I have a fairly heavy hand and it lasts me about 6 months each nib, I buy a $20 pack every 2.5 years.
Paperlike surface is worth it.

>>6565300
>gimmick
people literally tape paper to their old shit tablets to get a more traditional drawing feel.

>>6565331
>people literally tape paper to their old shit tablets to get a more traditional drawing feel.
Wasn't that the whole selling point of a special edition of an intous pro?

>>6565333
the paper edition let you draw on a piece of paper on the tablet and it would transfer whatever you drew to digital. taping paper to a pen tablet is just to mimic the feel of paper

>>6565370
If it doesn’t account for ye olde eraser, it’s a little pointless.

Both my main and my backup tablet are unusable within a week of each other. I feel like the universe is punishing me for never finishing that lewd comic I was working on.

>>6565397
>I can't draw with pen noooooo
it bridges the gap between traditional and digital art without using a full on display tablet.

>>6565398
>anon shames his ancestors by being insufficiently horny
>the spirits punish him by removing his ability to draw

>>6564868
>price similar to cintiq
dead in the water if that happens.
xencelabs has so little market presence compared to the other big names that they would need a miracle price to get attention

>>6565714
i dont know if theres a direct correlation between instagram followign and market size.
But your point is still a useful one

>>6565370
>the paper edition let you draw on a piece of paper on the tablet and it would transfer whatever you drew to digital. taping paper to a pen tablet is just to mimic the feel of paper
thats a preddy cool idea

>>6565321
Don't bother lie, I've tested them on both the smooth and medium level roughness on the intuos pros. After 15 minutes of regular drawings I could already see a dent in my nib even with the """smooth""" surface. To give you context, on old tablets your nib will last you years.
>>6565331
Which is better than spending an extra 100 Euros for a paper textured surface right? Paper costs nothing. They also released a paper edition for exactly this purpose, so the switch to the rough texture on the ordinary ones was explicitly to keep people buying replacement nibs. Its no use to build a tablet that never breaks or wears down because you lose that customer forever.

>>6565764
>They also released a paper edition for exactly this purpose
the paper edition was not for that purpose at all.

>>6565764
>Don't bother lie
Why would I?
You're just too heavy handed.

>>6565765
>at all
Yeah it has nothing to do with getting the experience of drawing on paper at all, does it, etc etc. Go be boring somewhere else.

>>6565773
Oh, that would be to defend your purchase, obviously. Go look at literally any review page for the modern intuos pros and youll see complaints about nib burning.

I think my Cintiq Companion is starting to go. Is it still possible to find a used one in old condition? If not, what's a good replacement?

>>6565265
i applied an srgb clamp as a temporary fix for now

>>6565714
I just assumed since they don't have like, XPpen/Huion prices on their pen tablet that they won't have those kinda prices on the display either. If they're small to begin with, they probably aren't expecting to blow the whole market away, despite the meme-y marketing

>>6565764
>>6565809
>to keep people buying replacement nibs
This doesn't really make any sense. Nibs aren't profitable and they aren't proprietary, so forcing replacements gains them almost nothing. You think that they intentionally borked design so that they could make... $0.25 a year from customers who bought the line, even assuming the customer buys a wacom branded nib and not just the cheapest bulk option on amazon?

>>6559532
What's the best way to have an optimal digital art tablet without giving up Windows functionality?

Is Surface Pro 9 good enough as a standalone device? Do iPad users go for a partular cheap windows laptop?

>>6566089
I tried using a surface pro 7 for art and it was too small and big paralax, sucked as a beginner. got an intuos pro like 3 years later and am actually drawing now

is the ipad pro 11 still good over the 12.9?
I dislike how a lot of software is shit on an ipad since you can't split a lot of apps

It's either the 11" ipad or else the samsung s7+

>>6560146
>>XPPen Deco 01 V2
I've been using mine for over two years and it's still working fine

>>6566325
I was the guy who tried out the 11 in a previous thread. I can't speak of the 12.9, but expect a lot less than people say on youtube for example, and always try it out before you buy, as I have a lot of nitpicks which youtubers just magically forget. It's not straight up bad by any means, as I enjoyed drawing on it, but there are a lot of BUTs here, even with the pencil itself.
I say it again: Always try this stuff out instead of relying on reviews.

>>6566089
uh you buy a drawing tablet and hook it up to a windows computer

>>6566089
iPad + cheapest MB Air you can get, if you want proper "Windows functionality" whatever that means then no cheap laptop or compromising 2in1 setup is gonna deliver A game to you

>>6564978
I've been considering getting one of these, seeing as it seems to be the only piece of equipment still untouched by inflation. Is there anyone out there who has any experience with Pro 16? Especially how it compares to the GT-221 Pro. I feel like I'm gonna miss the side buttons, but I guess that's life.

>>6564983

So my Huion Kamvas Pro 16 Plus 4K got here. Been playing with it for a day now.

bottom line, its great. There are some minor gripes.

You can hold it up to your face like paper and see all the details. there is some graininess/sparkle to the screen. not sure if its caused by the etched paper like glass or the screen itself. it's not a bad thing and I got used to it fast. But when you compare it to the screen on an ipad pro it is not as good looking. You can see all the detail of the paint and menus of corel painter thanks to the 4k screen, and the color accuracy is great. Its very light which surprised me, you can put it on your lap and draw just as if it was a sketchbook.

my biggest gripe is this. at the far edges of the screen the cursor is not 100% under the pens nib. the top left corner is off the most. It is accurate and exactly under the nib everywhere but the farthest edges. So it's not really a big deal.

The pen pressure at first didn't seem as good as the Wacom's but after messing around with the settings I got it to be fine. The gradation going from light to heavy pressure looks correct in krita and corel and photoshop and overall i don't notice much difference between it and wacom.

>>6567063
>I feel like I'm gonna miss the side buttons,

I got the HUION Keydial which I like more than having the buttons built into the display. You can also get generic ones if you want something different.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQJMPYDX?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

overall I love the kamvas 16 4k tablet, I got it for around 900 dollars, and if I wanted a comparable wacom version it would have been 1500

>>6567318
the keydial is honestly very fucking nice to have. it's just a numpad with a dial, but I got mine for $25 on ebay and use it every single day.

>>6567318
>at the far edges of the screen the cursor is not 100% under the pens nib
is this problem there on wacoms? my kamvas 22 has the same issue. in the last 1/4" of the screen, the cursor is maybe 1mm off from the tip of my stylus.

>>6567318
>>6567341
what is the dial usefull for?

>>6567417
rotate canvas, zoom in/out, change brush size, really fast undo/redo, change opacity, whatever your heart desires.

>>6567318
>there is some graininess/sparkle to the screen
it's from the anti-glare coating i believe. gives a sort of grainy, sparkley even greasy appearence. makes it feel a bit lame despite there being not much else to complain about

>>6567318
Thanks for the review, anon. I'm currently debating whether to get a Kamvas 24 Plus or a 24 Pro myself. 50% higher price and twice the power consumption for 50% more pixels per inch and a bit less latency. Is that 4K resolution worth it, I wonder...

>>6567404
I had similar issues with my wacom in 2016. My current Huion GT-221 has similar problems, although I have been able to calibrate it to make it basically go away. The thickness of the glass is a bigger problem than the tracking.

>>6568060
If you have the money, you could buy both and return whichever you don't want. I did that to test between a few different models and ended up with a 22 plus.

>>6568197
I'm new to art and want to start digital should I get Intuos or pro line first money is no issue.

>>6568443
if money is no issue, why would you get anything but the best?

>>6568524
Anon maybe they will get bored? Get the cheapest and smallest and if you get serious get pro line

>>6568636
>cheapest and smallest
never do this for any hobby you have any interest in. At the very least, go with something mid range that won't actively detract from your ability to do whatever that hobby is.

With current sales I can get a surface pro 9 256gb cheaper than an iPad Pro 128gb.
Is the Pencil that much better than the Surface Pen still?
Does 16gb ram make a noticeable difference over 8gb for CSP?

I haven’t kept up with what the competition has been doing in the display tablet space, but are there better options than the Cintiq 16 (non-pro) in that price range?

>>6568936
>Is the Pencil that much better than the Surface Pen still?
not really, it's pretty good
>Does 16gb ram make a noticeable difference over 8gb for CSP?
yes but CSP isnt the issue, it's Windows, try the 8GB Surfaces at any retailer and they're all choking 24/7 after opening a browser+app
>With current sales I can get a surface pro 9 256gb cheaper than an iPad Pro 128gb.
if the ONLY thing you're gonna do is draw and maybe some design shit (Illustrator, Fresco, etc) then don't be an idiot like me and buy the iPad, Windows is a piece of shit tablet experience + it eats up hardware specs and small machines heat up
i'd do anything to get an expensive iPad instead just to get away from the heat, fan noise and Windows bullshit (applies to any desktop OS)

>>6562463
yeah I've used a wacom bamboo in the past. I've got an ipad pro that I use now. I have lots and lots of mileage drawing in a variety of mediums, it basically doesn't matter, I'll be able to adapt. I've got a solid job now that ties to drawing so I can afford/want the best. I guess a theoretical max budget would be like $7000. If there was a justification I'd happily consider spending more, but DESU I have trouble imagining it would overshoot that short of hiring a wacom engineer to build me a custom solution.

>>6565169
>>6565289

Picked it up on Sunday, and I've been loving it. I'll actually be using it instead of my cintiq. (Still use the cintiq as a monitor and can draw on it as well, both use the same driver, pens also compatible both ways)

Its made me realize that Wacom sought to achieve the paper feel not just through the surface, but the nibs as well. This old intuos pro pen has an apocalypse surviving nib. I can see how people never had to switch them out on these old models.

The new pro pen nibs are so soft that Im seeing wear even after using it on the cintiqs glass surface, albeit after a year of use. Really a shame that these old ones arent being built anymore. Really based tablet.

>>6568197
Hm, smart. I'm never going to get used to being able to solve problems with money.

>>6559532
test

>>6559532
Are the huion cables good?
The reason I dropped digital art for a long time was because my old Huion 1060 plus from I think 2017 had cables that would loosen and I got tired of it

I want to buy another huion tablet, possibly a screen one but I wonder if the cables are ok

Is the Galaxy Tab S8's 11" 16:10 screen too small? I have an 11" iPad and it's good, however the Samsung has a narrower screen and I'm afraid it would be cramped (I'm a beg btw)

>>6570011
If you have a ipad why do you want another tablet?

>>6570013
I want to sell my iPad and get the Galaxy Tab. The Samsung is way better.
>pen glides smooth, much prefer it and doesn't make a loud click everytime it touches the screen
>no Applel walled garden, can sideload, transfer files
>nicely work together with my Galaxy Phone and Windows PC

>>6570011
From this picture I don't believe it will make a huge difference that you won't get used to, what drawing app will you be using on your samsung?

>>6570023
I would primarily use Infinite Painter. I tried it on my iPad and I really like the UI. As I said, I'm a beg, so Im good with minimal functionality, don't need a full fledged desktop ui

>>6570045
Oh I remember Infinite Painter, even on my phone right now it doesn't feel cramped and my phone looks like a smaller, thinner version of the tablet in >>6570011
I think you can get this tablet.

>>6570058
Is there any way to restore the center of my Wacom Intuos?
It doesn't affect my work in any way, is just for aesthetics.

>>6569990
I think the cables are still their weak link. I never unplug mine or even move it so I don't have a problem though

i just realized the reason the ipad pro feels so good to draw on. its a 120 hz screen. Are there any cheapish pem displays with that kind of hz?

deco pro medium for 100$ on aliexpress, should i pull the trigger?

>>6570281
I don't think you can 'restore' that. As soon I saw that same wearing on my tablet I'd stick a plastic sheet on top. I don't care about the aesthetics, I realized that that surface wearing was also eating the tips of the pen really fast.

What’s the consensus on iPad Air vs Pro for art? Is 120Hz beneficial to painting in Procreate?

>>6570569
>Is 120Hz beneficial to painting in Procreate?
yes because your strokes appear as fast as it does on real life. when you are sketching you can go quick and it just feels more natural. VS if you were doing it at 60hz it will feel slow and limiting.

>>6570656
Understood,
I assume 128gb is insufficient for artwork, and that 12.9 is generally recommended over the 11?
That would then raise the question of whether the price of a pro 256gb 12.9” plus pencil plus case is worth the asking price.

>>6565111
I'm not a color expert but Huion tablets are 120% sRGB and most displays are 100% sRGB so colors end up being over saturated on the tablet. You can probably mess around with the built in display settings of the tablet itself to calibrate it.

>>6562454
Krita is free , has lots of brushes ,

>>6570725
yeah its expensive as fuck, but I love mine. the 12.9 is best for drawing. Some drawing aps like Adobe fresco save your art to the cloud and even apple has cloud storage for pretty cheap. I got the 256 gig but I could have probably been fine with the 128. you can scrimp on the case, there's some cheat ones that are fine

>Brad Colbow reviewed the Huion Studios
tldr:
>24', not worth it, pretty average quality for the price, and some design quirks that might be uncomfortable.
That aside, it doesn't make sense, for that price you can built a more powerful PC and a Kamvas.
>16', worth it, better than Samsung Tab, and if you consider the Windows 11 inside, better than Ipad. Price/Quality is a lot better.
He particularly notes how good Huion Pens have become
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO72uuKHZU8

Is drawing on non-laminated screen really that bad? I could get a 10th gen iPad at half price now. I already have a PC with a pen tablet, but it'd be nice to have something portable too. I can't try it out at a store where I live, unfortunately.

>>6571571
Those prices are out there, even more expensive than the IPad Pro 12.9, Pencil and 256GB SSD which is €1600.

>>6571611
I don't think it's bad I tried it at the store and it didn't feel like I lost control, you can notice it but only if you look for it.

>>6571571
>16', worth it
nice
I'm hoping to get one used/on sale eventually for like $1000-1200 and I can finally say goodbye to my ipad.

>>6571632
>Those prices are out there
I'm sorry but you got EU cucked, the thing is $1578.96EU in US dollars here.

>>6571571
Huion > iPad because…Windows?

>>6571736
>the thing is $1578.96 EU in US dollars here.
EU taxes on tech is getting ridiculous.

>>6571571
>considering w11 inside
>better than ipad
>huion expensive hybrid
You can tell this guy actually never sits down to fucking draw, thats some retarded take.

>>6571826
??
bendPads are toys for children don't compare it to a professional system.

>>6571743
>because…Windows?
Pros:
Full desktop OS
better hardware
Bigger screen
Etched glass (infinitely better than shit like paperlike or elecom)
Built in stand

Cons:
Lower resolution/pixel density
Worse battery life
Less maximum available storage
No procreate (csp is better anyway)

Personally I think huion's stylus is better than the apple pencil too

>>6571826
Ipads are pretty shit for serious drawing. Even people that use them generally only use them for sketching if they have a really desktop tablet.

>>6570988
wasn't really able to with the settings they give you, best thing i could get was using a program to apply a gamut clamp to 100% sRGB. the 24 4k actually is 140% sRGB i believe

>>6568060
well you'd hope that since it is newer you are not just paying for more pixels and that the quality overall is improved?

the huion pen kinda sucks cock with the nib getting stuck activated all the time, have to pull it out and put it back in many times throughout the day. any way to fix this?

>>6571931
Would you say that a surface pro 9 is a good buy if I can afford it? It’s about the same cost as a 12.9” iPad anyway.
I am intrigued by procreate but also just upgraded to csp 2.0

Has the rise of AI art made you rethink how much is worth spending on an art tablet?

>>6571933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlCX7rlpU20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8adVmbDcb6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOGvnQkw1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsmV2HUWjXM
Seems good enough.

>>6570988
>I'm not a color expert but
So stop talking, retard-kun.
sRGB is a smaller spectrum than Adobe rgb, a calibrated kamvas can achieve about 96% Adobe rgb.

>>6572240
I haven't used a surface device since the surface pro 3, so I wouldn't know how they perform now. I heard they're better than before, but still not great. Personally I'd just get a used 3rd gen ipad pro if you need something now, or wait for a kamvas studio 16 if you can afford it.
>>6572393
>cape shit with 0 appeal
There are much better artists out there that use procreate to make high quality work that you could have used to refute my argument. The iPad and procreate just aren't as good as desktop software/hardware though. It's a worse drawing experience with more limitations

>>6571571
>Brad Colbow
Citing him again, Chinaman?

>>6571743
>Huion > iPad because…
You're responding to a literal chinaman. Learn to recognize obvious chinese shills and don't let yourself be scammed.

>>6572410
Seems to me that SP9 is better than Huion and is the best option if you don't care about procreate, given the pen improvements plus accurate 120hz screen. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though

ITT: retards that dont know iPads can run full desktop CSP AND Adobe Fresco with much better performance
Fucking cucks trying to recommend fucking Huion over an iPad roflmao, at least make and effort and mention Cintiq Pros instead
Brad Colbow
DOES
NOT
DRAW
FOR
A
LIVING
hes a youtube content creator, his opinion is as relevant as any chink anon here

>>6572412
>>6572479
i find his reviews lack nuance

>>6572412
Still better than that AI shill Aaron Rutten (and his hypocrite ass trying to hide he uses a Xencelabs), and he doesn't draw that much better.
At least Colbow is more about the digital art process and digital software tools than just the drawing that admittedly is very /beg/.
>Citing him again, Chinaman?
He agreed with Rutten on Chinese companies buying YouTubers to shill, but unlike Rutten who just gave up, he buys the Chinese tablet out of his own pocket when they ask him to shill.
He got send those Huions and he went out to said the glare is bad, the cable positioning is awkward, the issues he has with windows activation, he's not hiding the stuff he doesn't like, he's just not aggressive about it because he's not a bitter, negative person.

>>6572412 #
Still better than that AI shill Aaron Rutten (and his hypocrite ass trying to hide he uses a Xencelabs), who doesn't draw that much better.
At least Colbow is more about the digital art process and digital software tools than just the drawing that admittedly is very /beg/.
>Citing him again, Chinaman?
He agreed with Rutten on Chinese companies buying YouTubers to shill, but unlike Rutten who just gave up, he buys the Chinese tablets out of his own pocket when they ask him to shill.
He got those Huions sent to him and he went out and said the glare is bad, the cable positioning is awkward, the issues he had with windows activation, he's not hiding the stuff he doesn't like, he's just not aggressive about it because he's not a bitter, negative person. He's not lying he's just not a caustic critic.

>>6572642
>chinaman desperately making excuses to defend his favorite youtube shill

>>6572412
>>6572655
Real schizo hours fellow anons

>>6572472
>SP9 is better than Huion
For what? For drawing, huion will absolutely 100% be better. For a general laptop, the sp9 will most likely be better.

>>6572655
Take your meds Aaron

>>6572479
>iPads can run full desktop CSP AND Adobe Fresco
They can't run desktop csp, and no one knows what the fuck fresco is but you.

>>6572479
CSP on ipad can be a little clunky and annoying. That'd why a sane person just uses Procreate.

>>6572662
And is getting more Schizo, Xencelabs finally announced the pen display, is for preorder now, but they jumped straight to 24', and with Pantone calibration, Skintone and 99%Adobe RGB this shit is in theory on the same tier as the Wacom 27QHD. Only the actual feel will make the difference.
Besides that it comes with the controller and the two Xencelab pens.
Implying it feels really good, if it's anywhere below $2700, it's gonna be an obvious choice over the 27QHD.

>>6572737
Maybe not the Cintiq Pro 27, but definitely on the Cintiq Pro 24 which is at $2600usd.
Depending on the price of this thing, we're gonna need to put the Wacom shill on suicide watch.

>>6572737
>it's gonna be an obvious choice over the 27QHD.
people buy the 27 and previously when it was available 32 for the size though.
if you want a 24, you would just get a cintiq 24 or kamvas 4k 24

>>6572762
>people buy the 27 and previously when it was available 32 for the size though.
The 32 for sure, but the 27? Just for 3 inches more? nah, people buy the Wacom 27 for the new color gamut, the amazing feel, and all the other new shit like the new pen and keys.

>>6572773
the 27 has existed for years, and people bought it over the 24 despite it having the same basic specs.
yes, they bought it for the size.

>>6572737
>>6572750
>What? Real schizo hours is evolving!
>Congratulations,it evolved into Real schizo death!

Does xencelabs have any plans for other sizes? This is cool and all but a 16 or 13 inch would have been cool.

>>6572773
The only thing remotely close to worth it about the 27 is the 120hz pen response. The colour accuracy is only marginally better than the pro 24, and 99% of users will be looking at your art with lower quality monitors anyway so you'll have to switch to sRGB.

Its a big wet sloppy meme. Rich startup artists and autistic tech bros might pick it up, but I seriously doubt anyone else will. It doesnt solve anything. Since they went and made the old Cintiqs so durable, most companies will just carry on using them.

Would it be worth getting the HUION Inspiroy H1060P for 40 dollars? I found it cheaper on newegg than amazon

>>6572701
>>6572709
What are the supposed limitations of procreate when it comes to general painting eg portraits?

>>6573447
just layers if you have an older model

>>6573459
In that case I’m not seeing a reason to go Huion over iPad if the primary goal is painting, right?

>>6573639
Yeah. I'm in the Doodle Warriors discord and a lot of artists there use procreate for their painted portraits just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNhRWsnyiJY

Man, not gonna lie, I'm actually excited about a new display tablet arriving into the market after being such a fatalist for so long
This dude literally goes through every single important thing an artist is interested in hearing BEFORE buying a fucking $$$ device, and somehow is never present in releases from other companies, specially Wacom
I've been running a Cintiq 22 (1080p, ugly-ish, but drawing experience is imo highly superior to even my iPad Pro, not even close) for a while.
But I'm doing a whole workspace rebuild, getting rid of my old PC and 2 gaming monitors for the biggest Macbook Pro available because I desperately need a laptop for design school + summer design
And my last point of contention was the Cintiq ...I felt like I couldn't do anything to it because there was no real replacement for it, I'd never buy a Cintiq Pro 24 because of the retarded price and well known issues, and it's even outdated at this point bc they're using a new design (the 27) now, that's how the fuckers over at Wacom roll
I really, REALLY fucking hope this shit manages to deliver, PLEASE Lord.

>>6571933
>Even people that use them generally only use them for sketching
i do this sometimes because the ipad has a 120hz screen and makes sketching feel as responsive as paper

then i take it into corel paint on my 4k huion

>>6573672
why dont they go with smooth glass, since everyone hates the sparkle and low res quality of etched glass..... AND put a taptic engine inside the pen so that it feels like paper? Their software could then delete vibrations from your strokes before it applies them. we are talking nanoseconds.

I admittedly haven’t followed the progress of display tablets since back when Cintiq was the only serious option, but from what I’m reading lately, Huion is actually now comparable to Cintiq.
Do they have a flagship model, or something in the 16-24” range that presents better value than the equivalent cintiqs without shorty compromises?

>>6573686
>why dont they go with smooth glass, since everyone hates the sparkle and low res quality of etched glass
What?
Source?
Almost everyone I know hates smooth glass, etched glass is a mixed bag, but I've never known anyone that prefers smooth glass.
>>6573686
>AND put a taptic engine inside the pen so that it feels like paper? Their software could then delete vibrations from your strokes before it applies them. we are talking nanoseconds.
Not only would that make the pen more expensive, but also more fragile, considering the motors needed to give the feedback probably they would die eventually and would susceptible to driver issues, as if these weren't common even in Wacom, as it is.
Frankly etched glass is the best solution.

>>6573710
>Huion is actually now comparable to Cintiq
Better than the Cintiqs, not better than the Cintiq Pros, until you consider you're saving $1000USD for something that's still better than the Cintiqs.

Getting a cheap MBAir tomorrow, hope that Wacom has their drivers figured out for Ventura I swear to fucking G

>>6573459
>just layers
I've never once run out of layers when doing work on procreate. and I use a shit ton of layers.

>>6573891
>Better than the Cintiqs, not better than the Cintiq Pros, until you consider you're saving $1000USD for something that's still better than the Cintiqs.
Understood - what’s the best bang for buck model Huion? Kamvas pro 24?

>>6573686
>why dont they go with smooth glass, since everyone hates the sparkle and low res quality of etched glass
nigger what in the fuck are you talking about? You don't actually draw, do you?

>>6573953
I'm just noting that there is an obvious layer cap whereas CSP is unlimited.

>>6573958
kamvas 22 plus
they can be had for around $400 if your're okay with buying refurbished.
kamvas 24 plus isn't substantially better. it has higher resolution, but also a 2" bigger screen so you'll still see pixels when at drawing distance. other than the size and resolution, the 2 tablets are basically identical except for the $300 difference in price.

>>6573672
Over 2000 eur

For americans, that is a lot of dollars.

>>6574194
Well.
1) That's still less than the Cintiq 24.
2) Eurofags get taxed, like the euroanon who saw the Huion Studio at >€2300 (~$2400) when everywhere else is just $1600.
So expect a huge price drop out of the EU.
>>6573672
>I really, REALLY fucking hope this shit manages to deliver, PLEASE Lord.
They're being really bold about it, they aren't just doing the generic "top of the market compared to 'other' brands" thing, they're outright calling Wacom out, both in Instagram and press articles they post.
They're being very ballsy so I think they're very confident about what they have.

>>6574194
>>6574207
The new Xencelabs is gonna be $1900.
That's pretty steep, but
>it's cheaper than the Cintiq Pro 24 by $200.
>Comes with two pens (classic and three button slim), that's another $125 that you're saving.
>Comes with the keypad. Another $100 that costs for Wacom
>Comes with built in stand, that's a $500 saving.
In total you are saving near $1000, $925 to be exact.
Not even considering
>The screen standards compete with the 27qhd
Price source:
https://petapixel.com/2023/03/22/the-new-xencelabs-24-inch-pen-display-challenges-wacoms-cintiq/

>>6573672
>SkinTone™ Validated
whew i was worried my tablet wouldnt be able to draw black people

retarded selling point aside the article on their twitter says $1900 so $2000 with tax. more shit for poorfags like me to drool over imagining drawing on, yay

>>6574231
>whew i was worried my tablet wouldnt be able to draw black people
>>>/pol/
That's not what that means anon, yeah it's for skintones but is a calibration standard.
It means the screen is calibrated to the point to what you look in it should have the same color as you would expect IRL or when printed.
Same with pantone.
It means you won't need to calibrate it after for being too blown out or too toned down like Huions.

>>6574225
>actually falling for the $500 stand meme
>really believes the accessories "free" as if they don't just inflate the price
lol fuck off shill

>>6574241
I'm not being a shill, I own a Wacom.
All I said was literally true, if I wanted to buy the same package from Wacom it would cost me $3100.
Whether if you think the accessories are a meme I can understand, but why is Wacom charging $900 in value for memes then?

>>6574241 #
I'm not being a shill, I own a Wacom and don't plan to change anytime soon.
But all I said was literally true, if I wanted to buy the same package from Wacom it would cost me $3100.
If you think the accessories are a meme I can understand, and even I can agree, but if anything that makes Wacom look worse. Why is Wacom charging $900 in value for memes, and if they aren't worth that why aren't they including them in their products if it can be done for cheap enough like Xencelabs does?
This just proves Wacom are turbojews, not Xencelabs.

>>6574241
I'm not being a shill, I own a Wacom and don't plan to change anytime soon.
But all I said was literally true, if I wanted to buy the same package from Wacom it would cost me $3100.
If you think the accessories are a meme I can understand, and even I can agree, but if anything that makes Wacom look worse.

Even if you're right and Xencelabs are including these products to inflate the price and we're dealing with a way cheaper tablet, meanwhile Wacom only focuses on selling the tablet, and sells the extras apart.
That still doesn't explain why they cost so much.
Either these things aren't just memes, hence why they're so expensive as Wacom charges for them and they should include them, they're not above charging >3K anyways.
Or, as you said they're memes, which I agree, that means they're barely inflating the price, and we're actually dealing with a high end tablet, and Wacom is overcharging those products, and if they're already overcharging those products what stops them from overcharging their tablets?

Does procreate allow you to have two side by side windows so you can have a reference image open in one?

what does this provide over a screenless tablet + 27-32" 4K + color calibrator ?

only the accuracy with the lineart ? sounds like too much advantage for such price difference.

>>6574280
Competition is good but saying that Wacom isn't worth the premium just shows that you have little experience in the professional world. Wacom are built to last whereas the Chinese knockoffs have qc issues and will be replaced in 3-5 years minimum.

>>6574555
>Wacom are built to last whereas the Chinese knockoffs have qc issues and will be replaced in 3-5 years minimum.
The thing about that is, if you take those 5 years from now, that's 2018, almost 2017, a time when the Chinese brands were clearly inferior, most of the Chinese brands started to git gud around 2019-2020, so if Wacom is threatened in the life expectancy department, it'll only start to show next year up to 2026.

>>6574537
>only the accuracy with the lineart ?
Depends on your process, screen tablets are for a 100% digital pipeline.
As someone with a Intuos Small and a 24' monitor I would fucking kill for line accuracy. You have no idea how much does it slows down my work, especially on bigger canvasses. I could buy a bigger tablet but with a screen you just jump that issue entirely.

>>6560146
Been using this exact tablet for 4 years now, as good a modern graphic pad as any. Stylus feels nice and light in the hand, pen buttons are responsive and comfortable, and comes with like 10 spare nibs in the holder. Only negative is, if you want this for the side buttons on the tablet, those buttons are are clunky nowhere near as responsive as a keyboard, so I've always used a keyboard while drawing and ignore those buttons.
Other than that, I've never felt like I needed a better graphic pad in the last 4 years.

>>6574285
There is a reference box where you can put references inside but I and many people use another app called VizRef. It's like PureRef but for the ipad.

>>6564497
>way less clutter than a regular desktop OS
No way man, I would actively learn how to use Linux before being subjected to any apple OS interface, that shit makes any device unusuable.
That said, I've heard really good things about the new Surface pen, and used a Surface Pro 2017 for about 2 years until the flaws finally made me switch back to a graphic pad. I know there's Samsung and Lenovo's out there with Wacom Pen tech, so I may look into those instead when I finally upgrade my on-the-go equipment, but I really like the design of the Surface like the magnetic keyboard cover, so I'm undecided at the moment.

>>6567318
Are those keydials as response as keyboards? I tried using one from XP-Pen iirc years ago, and they felt like they had so much input lag I returned it within a week and stuck to using a bluetooth keyboard instead.

>>6574786
Surface Pro is a laptop first and foremost, the Windows tablet experience is subpar at best.
If you only need it for drawing (other than your regular PC/browsing needs), I'd like to discourage you but that's your call at the end.

>>6574847
Laptop first is actually exactly what I'm looking for, as I much prefer desktop OS over any mobile OS, and I don't really use any program outside of Clip Studio Paint,
So I'm looking for the device that offers the best drawing experience along those parameters and has a good design to have it on the go.

>>6574979
It's your call man, but if you're really only using Clip Studio then consider a Samsung Tab as well, they're no worse than iPads for that use scenario alone (they lack all the other important creative apps but w/e).
The Surface is both overpriced (RAM+SSD increases tied together, not even Apple does this...also they dont even include the Pen in the purchase) and Windows literally melts thing and light designs, it's way too unoptimized and Intel chips are already trash at battery life

>>6575018
Oh right, I think I saw in a SP9 review the battery life was now about 3-4 hours of workload use? That's abysmal, my 5 year old surface has a better battery life after years of awful charging habits. If that's as bad as I've heard it's a deal breaker.

>>6574792
the keydial i have is bluetooth and it's just as responsive as a keyboard. no lag

no matter what i try i keep coming back to my regular Cintiq 22, what a fucking ride it has been these past few months, tried:
-iPad Pro
-Samsung Tab
-Surface Pro
-Samsung Pro 360
but nothing ended up comparing to the feel (yes even though its not 120hz), screen friction and line quality of my big ass stationary tablet
now i understand why this shit is still being sold, art is a stationary medium that requires SPACE even though we try to meme ourselves out of it

>>6575678
you tried a bunch of general purpose tablets that happen to work for drawing and were surprised that a purpose built illustration tool was better for illustration?

Do people usually power off their display tablet after turning the pc off, or do they just keep it powered on, like they would with a regular monitor?

>>6575804
I haven't touched the power button on mine in like 2 years

>>6575773
Duh I was not expecting a 100% transfer because it was a portable environment but now that Ive tried all the best true portable products in the market I can confidently say that Wacom was fucked me over and my standards are way too high I guess.

>>6575842
is it just down to that paper feel of the wacom screens?

>>6575861
Yes I ended up trying several types of screen protectors for the iPad (since is has the more variety) and none of them really made the cut
And to be honest I dont think the screens themselves are the issue, its the PEN that Wacom has fucking nailed for years now. The way the tip follows your pressure and how it translates to your screen just makes my brain go happy.
I havent tried other PC/Mac brands like Huion but I guess theyre not too far off either if theyve been trying to copy them.

>>6575842
>all the best true portable products
wacom makes the mobile studio
huion is making their own mobile studio
both will outperform any non-illustration oriented hardware.

Gimmick or useful tool?

>>6575874
16" all in one heavy screen is not portable and the 13" is over 6 years old by now, they dont make sense at all.

>>6575920
the huion 16" is a lot smaller than wacom's like $3000 abomination
it has about the same design as a surface pro but 16" instead of 13"

>>6575932
yep the huion 16 is absolutely portable. just bring your laptop and the huions small stand and you are good to go

>>6575893
just buy a 3ds

>>6575081
I’m still rocking my surface pro 4 which lasts for maybe an hour or so. I had hoped more gains would have been made in the battery department after all this time.
How’s iPad Pro for battery life? Also it seems the official cases don’t provide a neat way to store the pencil - is the magnet strong enough?

>>6576011
>Also it seems the official cases don’t provide a neat way to store the pencil - is the magnet strong enough?
Fuck no. Good enough if it's just sitting in your desk, but I wouldn't trust it on the go. There are like $15 cases with good pencil storage.
I've never timed it, but I think my iPad lasts like 5 hours in procreate

>>6575823
Makes sense, I guess. They are technically just heavily modified monitors. Thanks!

Aussie frens - Suppose I register an ABN as an artist, then buy an art tablet and claim it as a tax deductible - if I get audited would I need to show any proof of earning art related revenue?

>>6573967
Any second opinions on the Kamvas 22 plus? The feedback I see on various reddit threads seems mixed

>>6576324
I got it this year, and I think it's fantastic it made the drawing process so much fun. Before I had a big problem with feeling fatigue when I drew for a couple of hour on my pentablet but since I switch that problem completely disappeared

>>6573672
I see 2 different stands on the video. Particularly interested in the taller version that makes the tablet lifted from the table. A bit more ergonomic

>>6576331
i'm now thinking perhaps Kamvas 22 plus for home, ipad pro for mobile

>>6573672
Seems like a perfect tablet in terms of quality and value in between Huion/XP-Pen's 4K tablets and Wacom's $4K monstrosity, but it doesn't seem like this supports touch. I know that's not a dealbreaker for others but if that's not a feature on this thing, I'd rather get myself a Kamvas 24 this summer and let that hold me over until Xencelabs makes other models, or until I find someone selling a Cintiq 27 4K at a reasonable price.

>>6576526

>>6576617
I agree btw, I can bet my left nut that 99% of Cintiq Pro users disable touch
Whatever they come up with their touch is never gonna reach consumer level tablet levels

>>6576617
Having used an ipad for so long I catch myself sometimes reaching for the screen to tap a button.

>>6576623
Yeah, I don't doubt I'm in the minority, I just know that my workflow is quicker and more intuitive with touch features. I draw fine with a graphic pad, but I'm barely ever rotating or zooming in or out my canvas because using keyboard shortcuts or bars is simply not as convenient as pinching or dragging my fingers on a screen.
So if I'm gonna pay premium money for a premium tool, I want it to have the features I know I work well with.

>>6576617
theres nothing worse than having your drawing or flow messed up by your palm being mistaken for two fingers. so yeah most people turn that off

>>6576693
what device do you use?

>>6576907
I used a Surface Pro for a while then switched to a Deco 01 V2. Draw much better and accurately with the Deco but I instantly take advantage of touch gestures whenever I go back to my sp.

Any anons draw while laying down with an ipad or other tablets? What stand do you use that gives you a comfortable position?

>>6577209
i lay down with my ipad in the missionary position.

>>6577248
That can't be good for your back or your dick, anon.

>>6576693
Palm rejection in desktop Windows+Wacom setups is notoriously tricky (dunno about MacOS but I do know their Wacom drivers are always a problem not touch related)
I tried a Cintiq Pro 16 some months ago, had to turn it off completely because it was giving me fake finger inputs through my palm.
But turning it off also meant giving up touch entirely, so its a lose lose situation.

>>6576623
>>6576693
I don't see buttons on the Huion Kamvas devices, and they're apparently not touch screens either? How do you zoom then?

>>6577568
I use my mouse wheel. Zooms in/out on your cursor

TIME TO SAVE UP BOYS
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_may_launch_a_trifold_device_this_year_the_s23_fe_isnt_happening-news-58015.php

>>6577568
Huh, I could've sworn I saw a review saying one of the Kamvas models is touchscreen but all I'm finding now is that only XP-Pen has a 16in 4K touchscreen model.
Fuck, I want touch gestures but paying a $1.5K upcharge for that is a tough sell, especially when Wacom is too stupid to fix their palm rejection. Guess I might get the new Xencelabs tablet afterall.

How many more years do I have to wait for Huion, XP-Pen and all the others to release tablets with 120/144hz 4k monitors?

>>6577728
>120/144hz 4k monitors
this.... this is the holy grail. if they do this for half the price of wacom then Wacom is done.

>>6576617
as someone with an ipad pro and no tablet, how do people draw without touch? how do you zoom in and rotate the canvas to the perfect angle with hotkeys? does it become effortless with practice or do you just not do it

>>6578075
you press the shorcut in the keyboard that turns on zoom/rotation and move the pen to your desired level

>>6577581
Why woukd I care about this?

>>6577571
That seems somewhat clumsy? Surely I’m missing something obvious about how to zoom. Can you use some express key remote?

>>6578261
You could get one yeah. Bind zoom to two keys. Or a wheel. Or your mouse wheel. I personally dont like using any buttons on my tablets because if they stop working its a huge pain in the ass, whereas a keyboard and mouse are easily replaceable

>Wacom Grip Pen dies
>Use the Eraser side instead
>It works
lel
>>6576617
What's the country origin of this company? They made a very amateur grammatical error. Also on their product overview video posted above, they used at least 2 AI-generated pictures, and some parts of the video have weird blur.

>>6578515
wait fuck the eraser doesn't support tilt aaaaaaa fuck me

Since it's impossible for me to draw with a mouse I'm thinking of buying one of these, is it worth it taking one without display?

>>6578593
Do it. You won't regret it. You will have that "fish out of the water" feeling at the beggining but after that, you won't believe how good this things are. Don't buy the small one, always go for medium size otherwise it will be useless.

Don't even think on Screen digital tablets, those are a total waste of money. And they won't last as much.

>>6577581
foldables are worthless garbage that crease within 6 months of use. Screen is too soft to be used for drawing.

>>6578643
>Don't even think on Screen digital tablets, those are a total waste of money. And they won't last as much.
t. poorest of poorfags
what an absolute fucking moron

>>6578674
Point taken, I AM a poor fag, but if you pay attention to what the anon said, he's a begginer, and buying a expensive as fuck display tablet is fucking nuts and retarded.
He will be more than fine with a good simple tablet to start.

And if I had the money, wouldn't pay thounsands of dollars on a tablet instead I would get the best GPU available.

>>6578643
>Don't even think on Screen digital tablets, those are a total waste of money. And they won't last as much.
Worst fucking advice ever.
>>6578713
>he's a begginer
He never said so, maybe he has experience in trad, in which case, a screen tablet is the best logical next step.
>>6578593
Get medium size screenless, or buy an Ugee

XP-Pen Deco 1V2 Medium ~ $70
https://www.storexppen.com/buy/deco-mw.html
They're pretty snappy and comfy, since they're pretty cheap you feel very ok to use them whenever you need them, sometimes I feel myself shy of using my most expensive art materials in fear of wasting them because I feel they should be kept for the most important projects.
Sometimes that happens in digital too, and this one alleviates that feeling and it's very well built for the price.
>Wacom Intous Medium $200
https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-intuos-m-bluetooth-black-us-ctl6100wlk0.html
You'll get a tablet that will last you YEARS, excellent calibration and built, there's not many complaints besides being somewhat limited in capabilities. You feel like you're getting a bad deal, somehow.
>ugee Drawing Monitor U Series 16' $280
https://shop.ugee.com/products/ugee-drawing-monitor-u-series?variant=43120860299493
Not marvelous but they're in fact for beginners (even their page says so).
Cheap as fuck but about the built quality of an XP-Pen (same father company), which is nothing to write home but for 16' screen, $280 it's a very sweet deal.
Ugee, their slogan should be "Not the best, but better than expected."
or "Adequate quality at adequate price".

>>6578840
>You feel like you're getting a bad deal,
I'm sorry, this is very much, only me.
I like to test and experiment and see how the technology advances, and I'm autistic for comparisons, so Wacom's selling point in lasting forever to justify the prices is completely worthless to me, I'll rather have functionality, so I feel ripped off.
Even if I own a Wacom, I will still replace it in 3 years, but if you want quality reassurance, by all means, buy the Intous Medium.

>>6559532
Just got this one cheap today. Brand new
What an excellent product. Don't even bother with the more expensive ones, all you need is here. And the chink nibs from aliexpress work like a charm with it.

>>6578713
>He will be more than fine with a good simple tablet to start.
counter point, as a beginner, getting over the disconnect of drawing with a pen tablet + general beginner shitiness, he's more likely to get frustrated and just give up. I absolutely hated digital art for years because I drew with an intuos 3, tried a friend's intuos 5, then immediately enjoyed it when I tried drawing on a surface pro 3 (which is absolute shit, but any screen tablet was better for me than a pen tablet.)
anon could pick up a 1st gen ipad pro for like $100 and have an 8/10 display tablet experience for barely more than a decent pen tablet.

>>6578857
how much was that one?

>>6579121
USD 34
Of course, after local currency conversion

>>6579047
Don't get me wrong, the same learning curve happened to me. It sucked. But you eventually will pass through that, it's not rocket science. It's fucking drawing on a plastic surface.

Right now I wouldn't change a screenless tablet for a display one. You have to be all the time bent over the display, or in a weird position holding your arm up on the screen, your hand is on the way, the display is warm, (hot even).
At this point I choosed the normal tablet, I am in a totally free and confortable working position, it's simple, if it breaks it's cheap to replace, and you can do the exact same work anyways.

I guess eventually he will choose what he wants. All I'm saying is that is you're not a pro already getting a display tablet is some quite expensive gamble on something you're just getting into.

>>6579143
WOW, jack pot. it's that a medium size right? Great buy my guy.

>>6579160
It's a small. I already have a Pro Mid. Wanted something more portable

>>6579170
Great buy anyways. I have the new intuos with those huge buttons wich are totally useless in my opinion.

>>6579179
Yeah, I've never used those buttons either. I usually prefer a keyboard or a keypad.
That's why I like this new tablet as well. There's no waste of space.

>>6579153
>You have to be all the time bent over the display
if only someone invented something to alleviate this problem. some kind of arm? something with better ergonomics?

>>6579275
When I said:
>a weird position holding your arm up on the screen
That's what I meant. If the tablet is mounted on a screen, holding my arm up it sucks, it's fucking tiring. I mean you are not on the tablet a couple of hours. you can be the whole day working on it. fuck that.
I want my tablet flat on the table, my arm resting on it, my head and neck straight, free to move my sight horizontally between screens. That's all. It's just my opinion. I think screnless tablets helps a lot with that.

>>6579320
So you mean like artists have done for centuries?
I hate the inherent disconnect with pen tablets, but if they work better for you, then that's good. Use what you like.

>>6579275
This guy explains what I mean, and it's an interesting video.
>https://youtu.be/N6A1rSU6Lm8

I think some youtubers show off their screen tablets because of advertising pressure, and when the camera is off, they grab their screenless tablets to actually do a lot of stuff. Like that guy Feng Zhu from FZD he uses the traditional screenless intuos for the same reasons.

>>6578332
okay i feel better now, so i'm still favouring kamvas 22 plus as the next buy.
Huion have it on sale right now for $759 down from $859 - are these sales frequent?

>>6579348
>mfw the entire reason I wanted the Intuos 3 XL was because this guy's setup looked comfy
Don't share my secret, anon. There's not enough of this tablet going around. Though if I were him i'd have changed to a larger screen.

>>6579506
>Though if I were him i'd have changed to a larger screen
He says that on the end of the video. He wants the Acer ConceptD CP3
>https://youtu.be/Cj8mfs5vXfg

I think an intuous3XL is a total overkill for most of us. So you can have them, lol. Those wacom ONE are nice. slim, flat, no buttons, I don't need one, but now I want one

>>6579487
Why on earth is it so much? Should be like $400-500
Their sales are very constant though

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NEW THREAD FOR WHEN THIS ONE HITS BUMP LIMIT.

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>>6579545
The increase in quality demands an increase in price to assure that quality, you can still find their previous line at the site under $500.
Considering this is close to $1500 cheaper than wacom, I believe the quality/price ratio is actually very good.

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>>6579560
Australian $, though on eBay they’re $645 new.
Are 3-in-1 cables such a bad thing?

>>6579585
>Are 3-in-1 cables such a bad thing?
Supposedly they're the most common point of failure on huions now. I havent had any problem after a year, but I don't unplug my tablet or move it around much.

>>6579348
Never used a pen display but have been using Intuos since 2006 or thereabouts and I always tilted them, the early Intuos even had little tabs at the back that let you do that.
I think pen displays do have an advantage for drawing, since he mostly does 3D modeling of course he doesn't matter to him.