/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Anon, dont forget to practice your daily cubes

IGNORE THE SCHIZO AND MAKINAFAG
REPEAT
IGNORE THE SCHIZO AND MAKINAFAG

Griiiiind

Is working with a grid in perspective necessarily a bad thing to do even after a long time? I feel like it might hinder your ability to learn to make good guesswork. Though I know a lot of professional artists use grids for it.

>>6552244

I don't think so. Not everyone can eyeball perspective. Use tools for it especially when you're being paid to do a job that requires accurate perspective.

Can some anon please show me how a human back works or give me some advice on how to understand them better? It's pretty hard for me to get a clear mental image on what muscles become more visible and which ones protrude less when pushing/pulling.

Also how do i find good references for this kind of thing? I would just take of my shirt and go to the mirror if i actually had muscles myself.

>>6552244
>even after a long time?
no lol
"no rules only tools"

>>6552236
>Schizo and makimafag
Are they two anons or the same anon?
The makimafag is just a waifufag I guess

>>6552266
>Are they two anons or the same anon?
dunno

>>6552267
Nvm read the previous thread and definitely they aren't the same person because I saw this schizo around few times
Tbf the makimafag is the lesser of the evils

>>6552236
Smarter to control oneself, but I for sure wanted to spam him this variation of the YWNBAW copypasta I made.

You will never be a real artist. You have no talent, you have no dedication, you have no willpower. You are a low IQ perma/beg/ twisted by anime and video games into believing you could ever reflect nature's perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock your shoddy drawing attempts. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of your lack of progress, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish art behind closed doors.

>>6552258
https://youtu.be/RBSXYdfrZ2c

>>6552236
>>6552276
Talking about anime, Pawell being featured in the OP was great
The reactions just shows that he lives rent free on crabs and permabegs minds

Keep it up Pawell,make them seethe

>>6552285
>Pawell
literally who

>>6552286
>tourist
Lurk moar

>>6552285
He got some nice progress through the Bargue drawing course. Will be interesting to watch how his work will change when he starts doing more originals.

this is all you need to go from beg to int
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A

Trying to make a good Twitter header.
How do I make sure each character is properly shown in both PC and Mobile and not have them be cropped out or covered by the PFP?

>>6552294
More like from prebeg to beg
But I agree this is the best starting point.

>>6552297
>How do I make sure each character is properly shown in both PC and Mobile and not have them be cropped out or covered by the PFP?
Test them out?

>>6552297
>PC and Mobile
both use the same size and same
>not have them be cropped out
use 1500x500
>covered by the PFP
picrel

Feel free to draw a mouth on this.

>>6551891 Besides same face syndrome, which I'm working on, was there any other critique? specifically a certain one or color?

>>6552290
Yeah, I'd like to see more fun drawing from him
Overdoing grind can be bad, but no grind is worse

reposting: is there a loomis pdf that's not fucked up from awful ocr? Or is he writing like this on purpose because of some kinda joke I don't get

>>6552331
i got mine off libgen

>>6552331
some of the ones on archive.org are decent

>>6552332
just tried and all the files seem to be the same to the ones I found on zlib, with all the errors.
>>6552339
I'll check it out, thanks

>>6552339
they're all the same file. I guess I'll make do.

>>6552232
Cubes make me depressed.

>>6552331
>loomis
kek

here much better
https://e-hentai.org/g/1800529/7605d74a9d/

>>6552276
Some anon made a variation of this but with AI images kek
If you have a chance to post the full thing,do it

>>6552356
Hampton goes from gesture drawing to fucking Michaelangelo after the first quarter of the book. How do you keep up with that? Loomis at least eases you into being butt-blasted for being /beg/

>>6552391
>being /beg/
ops i forget this is the begthread, mah bad

>gesture drawing
Brent Eviston figure drawing is prolly the best course, he will teach you the line of action, gesture of the hand,arm,head, ect...

here
pixeldrain com
/l/r42EMHtA
/l/KpW7r5h9
/l/TSMsmjRK

>>6552395
No worries, bro. Just having some fun. Thanks for the resources.

Ok, via color-picking from my Magic card reference, I've crudely copied the shapes I see, now HOW THE FUCK DO I GIVE ANYTHING ANY DEPTH OR TEXTURE!!??
I'm stuck.....

>>6552399
>HOW THE FUCK DO I GIVE ANYTHING ANY DEPTH OR TEXTURE!!??
atmospheric perspective, shadow, ambient occlusion, terminator, etc

>>6552399
>HOW THE FUCK DO I GIVE ANYTHING ANY DEPTH OR TEXTURE!!??

this is why you learn fundamentals in steps and get a basic understanding before jumping around mindlessly.

>>6552399
>pass user

ok, i did this with the minimum knowledge about lights and shadows using the overlay and multiply tools, considering that the light comes from above, are the shadows well placed? I'm a complete newbie at this

>>6552406
ok, I try to make shadows but it still all looks so flat.......

>>6552411
ok, the basic fundamentals

step 1: do the shapes
step 2: ???

>>6552438
>step 3: profit

>>6552221
felt weird seeing my drawing, as the thread image. But it's kinda cool.

>>6552395
Just started getting into gestures, thanks for the downloads.

>>6552427
nice neck

>>6552448
This looks like a tattoo,nice one anon

Determined to finish Perspective Made Easy, thumbnails for the chapter 1 homework now that I've read the book. Theory means nothing without practice because this doesn't look "right." Maybe it needs to just go into a bigger sketch.

>>6552451
Congrats anon

Current progress on my pic.
Yeah. I am slow with it all.

>>6552482
You've posted this in every thread so fine, here's your attention: why/how did you mix the styles of like 3 different mangaka

>>6552485

Does it look that disparate? Well I used various pieces as reference.

>>6552494
I'd like to ask...why?

>>6552494
By reference do you mean you traced or just 1:1'd stylistic pieces? Like the Akira Toriyama eyes are there for Toriyama reasons, I mean it's not bad or wrong to just draw what you like but it gets stronger when you work with basics until you arrive at your own conclusion for style

>>6552517

I try to draw the Xenogears characters on model but there are only so many reactions frames for them.

>>6552506

Not many muscle preggos.
So I used Dairoku Tenmaou Great's work for the basis for the musculature and Kotonoki Nao's Lucrecia birth scene for the basic reference for this scene.

>>6552427
saw you post sketch of this in another thread. why are you worried about light and shadow when you haven't fixed spine and pelvis alignment yet?

>>6552221
complete fucking beg. that has yet to start drawing. Because out of the blue 2 days ago I got a bug up my ass to learn to draw/digitally paint. Besides doodling I've never tried any 2D art. I picked up mini painting a little over a year ago and have gotten half decent. But 2D art seems like a completely different beast entirely. Mini painting was easy to learn because, watch YT tutorial, copy technique, done. I realize drawing/painting won't be that way, but is there a actual good course that you anon's reccomend. I've skimmed the sticky, seen a million threads in the past 2 days of kek just draw, kek loomis, kek right side of the brain.
I'd much rather follow a video course (pirateable if applicable) if there's any good ones.

>>6552399
>>6552438

maybe try separating foreground, midground and background more clearly and i dont think colourpicking has that much value when it comes to studying. In my interpetation I tried have the values make sense instead of trying to copy 1:1

Boomers

just finished all loomis books. I understand why people shill him that much, he's a great teacher. Now i am about to start perspective made easy.

>>6552566
What did you learn from FWAP? I got halfway through and while I understand the concept of building onto the forms, I had outside help. I stopped around the mannequin part.

I don't like the rocks on the right.
Also need to fix her top bicep, looks like a sausage

>>6552568
went over the basics mostly, the head part helped me a lot actually.

>>6552544
Thank you, yeah I though I was already starting simply, but yeah I'll try turning the simple shapes up to 11 to start

before was even worse, I'd go straight to trying to doing details

I've decided I want to get into watercolors. They transport and set up pretty easily in comparison to other mediums which is nice when I spend like 60% of my life living out of a fucking backpack

>>6552281
ty bro. somewhat worked out

>>6552689
are you a hobo?

>>6552221
holy shit nigga, I finally did the loomis

>>6552478
Gents I won't lie to you all, I have quite a bit of work to do

>>6552696
I'm in the infantry, so you're correct in the spirit of the word

>>6552706
Looks good anon, the head looks a little bulbous compared to the rest of the face/neck but that could just be me.

>>6552438


>I DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE SHAPE NOT FLAT! I DO SHADOWS IT'S FLATTTTTT!

No amount of advice here can guide you if you can't even find out basic shit by yourself.

>>6552472
It's a bottom-up view, you're supposed to be tilting your head down, I thought you shouldn't be able to see it from there, could you tell me the correct neck position?

>>6552706
I think I'm getting it now!

>>6552525
honestly, my ability is too low to notice and fix those errors, it just looked good to me and I continued with the drawing, if you can point me how to fix those errors it would be of great help to me on the other hand, my anxiety to advance by leaps and bounds drives me to try to learn all the knowledge at the same time

Any critique?

From memory. Hip area was the most reworked.

>>6552755

>>6552800
Torso seemed a bit long as well as the arms too short
Nice shapes though especially the hips, what might help is starting with a 50/50 base from torso and legs

Dumb question, but when learning how to eyeball angles and distances, would it be better to do so completely unassisted or by using something to compare with such as the end of a pencil?

>>6552849
You could try doing the krenz accuracy assignment that's in the ASG thread. It teaches you to block in shapes accurately.

>>6552855
Yeah, I've actually been loosely following the first video for a bit. Not sure if the video goes over specific methods outside of the grid and cutting the ref into basic shapes. I guess it wouldn't hurt to revisit it though. Also didn't know another one of his videos got translated, so thanks for the heads up on that as well.

I don't really know what to post to accompany my drawing. I don't really need advice too much.

I'm pretty decent at drawing I think. I don't really enjoy it, but I've been told I have enough natural ability by enough people in my life that it has convinced me to work at it a little more. I don't know how much of it is actually talent or practice I get from doodling tits, maybe it's just the amount of time I put in because I often end up with a lot of trash. I'm at my strongest drawing with reference, but I think art is best when you draw without reference, and the last time I've attempted to draw something it killed my interest for several months. In fact, I'm just starting to do it again after a little over half a year of nothing. I'm not great about this, but I have been getting better. Pic related is my most recent doodle, but it's very simple since it's a side profile. I have a tablet and some paper, but I really don't know much else and, frankly, I don't think I will ever bother. I already am disinterested enough as is, and the theory will kill what I already consider to be a tedious hobby.

Anyways, I guess I'm looking to learn three things; I'd like to learn how to motivate myself to keep going on art projects, how to organize digital artwork, and how to sketch. I cannot sketch for the life of me and it makes it very tiring coming back and adjusting drawings.

>>6552849
Bargue method is to guess and draw a line first. Then you use plumb lines and angles to measure your accuracy. I've seen a few videos on the method use a pencil to check angles, so really whatever helps but I think it's most important to make your guess first before you check the accuracy

Anything to change before lineart, specifically the neck since it seems off but idk what is off.

How to get out of your comfort zone? I'm really attached to drawing faces but I want to get myself more used to drawing and painting figures, I just don't know how to kick myself out of what I'm used to to practice that.

I made these heads last night

>>6552940
Great. I think your issue has to do with the bend of the neck.

I know I shouldn't compare myself to others and all that, what are the average milestones in the first few years of picking up art?

>>6552971
Workinmg for triple A companies iwthin a year.

>>6552974
impossible, i'm not under 20

>>6552975
10 years to draw a passable circle.

>>6552940
mouth/nose is still looking odd.

>>6552957
Do it without expecting anything.
I'll request you something to make it easier: do two drawings, they need to be full figures, clothed or naked, your choice doing some ordinary thing like drinking a tea or checking the phone. You need to draw at least a simple piece of furniture like a table or a chair. It doesn't need to be good or detailed, just readable and more or less proportioned
You can add some value if you want. You're free to use references or not
You have twelve hours to do it that you can distribute in any way you want . Now go

>>6552971
Not wanting to kill yourself and think everyday that you wasted your life.
That's the goal.

I'm not great but not horrible with my line quality and control in pen and paper but literally all of that goes out the window digitally. Friend gave me one of those blind tablets I guess you'd call it, a pad connected to your computer screen, and holy shit it's like I've never held a pencil. It's so bad. Ok great so just relearn drawing? Yeesh. Me problem.

>>6552996
yeah that's why I'm trying to draw. Thinking about it I don't really have a choice. It's either be useless or (potentially) bad. It's no contest really.

>>6552322
dont mind if I do

i drew miku today!! got a really bad headache so i didn't get to polish it the way i wanted to though. tried combining the way i render and some of the habits and details i use when drawing on paper with a pen or doodling

>>6553041
this is cool. I like anime inspired but not full-on generic sameface anime.
I'm not gonna critique because I suck

>>6553041
this is pretty awesome good job anon

Doing some stuff to this piece but I have a question. For her body I'm using a textured pencil and for her claw things I'm using a pen. Does it look alright? I feel like it looks a little off. Should I make the ink pen lines thicker so they can stand out from the textured parts?

>>6552800
One thing that might help is really pushing the gesture of the torso. Right now it's looking kinda stiff just being straight. In that pose you could make her lean a little to get a better sense of weight.

>>6553041
nice

>>6552427
Whenever something suuuper bright is really close to an object the contrast between the light and the shadows is super high even in places that are well lit already. Depending on how bright her attack is I would adjust the contrast between the highlights and shadows. As well as reeeeeaaallllly showing those forms with the shadows.

>>6552451
Yo what did you study for your hatching? Was it that one old graphic American Artist? I forgot his name.

>>6552482
What's the story behind this. I've seen your progress in a few threads and have been trying to figure it out? Why does the guy look upset and the lady on the left look smug? Also what is she giving birth to?

>>6553041
I would like to have sex with her.

>>6552712
great job anon! keep it up!

>>6553150

How's that for a profile picture?

You guys think I could get commissions with something like this style?

>>6553205
jesus fucking christ

>You guys think I could get commissions with something like this style?

any dirty furry artist can get comissions

>>6553206
Furry coom might make money, but no one is jerking it to colored pencil drawings. I guess.

>>6553205
yeah probably, but you would need to do your fair share pandering /w popular characters and the like and not make your online profile JUST these front-facing heads.

Hello beg! I appreciate the moral support, i shall not fail you. Today i delivered my first ever commission to random anon who saw me in these very threads. I might get paid. Its like 10% chance lmao.

>>6553205
looks like typical mentally disturbed avatar you can find on twitter and it usually fits the user behind the profile as well. I give it thumbs up
>>6553125
textures dont really work on thin lines, if you didnt mention it i wouldnt even notice there is difference
>>6552998
it is called screenless tablet. and you might want to put paper on top of it. it will increase the friction so you will struggle less. Or you can just draw and after few weeks you will adjust to drawing on ice
>>6552971
less thinking, more drawing
>>6552963
nice and somewhat original
>>6552957
just pick up a book and do what it tells you. easy
>>6552940
fuck lineart, this is already good and max SOUL
>>6552925
trying to draw without reference is the ultimate draw skill there is. dont expect to be master overnight. good luck anon! draw!
>>6552849
you want to use "assists" as beg until once day you realize you dont need them anymore
>>6552689
check out this boomer for inspiration, its mindblowing what tradchads can do literally on a knee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyIOtN339q4
>>6552572
i still love it
>>6552566
ALL OF THEM? Even the stuff about painter eye and such? Were they really worth it?
>>6552530
check out >>6551616 and >>6552395
>>6552427
pro beg tip: if you turn your pic gray-scale and see that its all basically same shade of gray then you didnt use properly the value range and should try to draw in gray scale first before adding colors. the anime thot is very cute! And her spine is broken. Invest some skill points into figure drawing and gestures
>>6552399
keys to drawing has both chapters on textures and illusion of depth

>>6552562

>>6552530
>>6553158
To be honest my hatching sucks, I think I have a lot to improve there.

I just try to follow the curvature of the form, the perspective angle, or where the light hits the form in the ref. There's probably a lot better resources than me you could learn from.

Here's the finished piece with all of the hatching done.

>>6553205
desu the thumbnail does NOT read well

>>6553309
I JUST noticed it. Zoomed in it's not so bad but tiny it is hideous. I'm going to scrap that as pfp.

>>6553248
I'll post some bodies tomorrow morning so you guys can give me some pointers

>>6553251
Thanks, that's exactly what I want to achieve. The more chronically online the more used to paying for cute anime girl/cute anime girl with animal ears

>>6552572
I think you're overdoing the muscle definition on the female character. She's almost more muscular than the minotaur.

>>6552957
>How to get out of your comfort zone?
It takes conscious effort. It can be sitting in front of a blank page and telling yourself that you're not getting up until you've drawn a figure. After you've finished, you can go back to drawing whatever you like.

>>6553322
>overdoing the muscle definition
I did it because the opacity of her values is going way down when I put the colour.
I'll consider tune it down though
>>6553251
Thanks

>>6553205
I love how it's styled, but the perspective (?) uncanny valley is fucking terrifying

Trying to make a list of idle fundies to practice while I do computer shit at work, mostly stuff that shows up in Peter Han's dynamic bible so far:
>Line work
>Planes in perspective, cylinders and cuboids as well
>Deformed spheroids
>Squashed cubes
>Form carving
>Form building
Maybe gestures but it's harder to get away with that since I'd need to have references somewhere. Any ideas?

tetays

>>6552572

Loving the work as always. The shading really does add to the atmosphere of this piece and really I cannot help but love these updates. I have been having trouble of late with my own work with just getting lines to run well with perspective. It has been giving me issues of late.

Here is my work here.

it doesn't really stand out technically, but I tried drawing up a potential tattoo in the old simple sailor style. Not really concerned with technical stuff (ex. copy pasted feet with no toes), but does it have that kind of appeal?

>>6553298
looks good

>>6553205
I like the style and color a lot, I could easily see you getting comms
Eyes seem to be on a downward perspective while the top of the head is straight on

>>6553251
>Being featured in picrel
I kneel, bargue plates does wonders to an artist
Will try it some time, keep the grind bro
Your advices helped me a ton

>>6553358
Sure, people get bad tattoos all the time.

>>6553348
in vilppu's manual he has a few “idle” exercises also

>>6553355
I'm not really the best advisor for perspective, but probably a good way to make it easier is to spend some time searching for photos or movie stills that get close to what you want to use, and brutally trace them with a really rough sketch to get the volumetric idea of the scene. Drawings are bad for this because four out of five you get a wrong perspective, it's one of the hardest things to get always right and it's time consuming to do so. Also, a good advice is to do easy stuff if you're not sure of what you're doing because you can fix it and learn more easily if the distance from your comfort zone is less

>>6552232
Is there a version of this messy chart that's easier to follow?

>>6553422

Yeah. Been having issues with this. I wish I can rework this in post or something. How does this look,BTW?

>>6553436
I've been using the elbow lock, head tilt over raised arm to measure proportions between brow, forehead, nose, and chin and it doesn't work. What method is best for measuring on a drawing tablet?

i did a foot study no ref used.

>>6553444
Wtf then that’s not a study, that’s just a foot from imagination. A study implies you looked at a reference to copy and understand it.

hey friendse I wanna know if I learn to draw on paper will it translate to digital at all
I like drawing on paper because using a tablet is hard but I wanna do digital art too
I also wonder the same thing about color, I know nothing about shading or coloring or rendering at all so I wanna learn, but will learning it for traditional purposes help me when doing it on my computer? thanks!!

>>6553450
no cap? okay did i do anything right?

>>6553453
You can if you want to. There's no hard science to this. Obviously there is a difference between the two and there will be a learning curve no matter what but matters is what you learn and master. The principles of drawing remain the same.

>>6553460
>The principles of drawing remain the same.
oooh good point i suppose, i might UNDERSTAND how the colors and shadows and such SHOULD look on my drawing, but i might have to learn how to use the tools at my disposal, I understand
yeah that sounds fine, thanks anon

>>6553443
????
Just use a grid?

>>6553459
Silly, why you think it’s called study? But joking aside I do recommend studying your own feet and drawing them. For imagination it’s not bad assuming you probably barely did any foot studies but you can definitely improve some areas such as the ankles and the toes by actually looking at and examining the anatomy of a real foot.

how do I stop symbol drawing agh

wip

Hi again. Here's something I started about an hour ago. I'll clean it up a lot later on, but it serves some insight into how I organize things in my drawing process. I'm not really looking for advice on the drawing itself, just some advice as to how organize myself since I'm a little retarded.

I've been out of practice for a while. I think my biggest issues are hair and...the rest of the body. I just can't do arms and legs right and naturally.

God I wish I could make cute original designs.

>>6553464
oh yeah i really didnt. i was to go for 'pushing off' its hard to find a ref for that.

>>6553485
EVERYTHING I DRAW IS SO FUCKING STIFF HOW DO I FIX IT! HOW DO I GIVE MY DRAWINGS LIFE AND FLOW!!!

>>6553506
Longer gesture drawing where people are moving so you get the visual reference down. Then draw random lines and make a figure out of it. Force yourself to start with a rando pose then make a character out of it.

>>6553463
How? Do i just use the grid constantly over what I’m drawing and the reference?

>>6553485
use simple forms, they make stuff easier. Your hairs aren't that bad.

>>6553541
i want to lick her tummy :)

>>6553551
Go for a walk, homie, and think about your actions.

>>6553251
thanks man

sketching some random infrastructure
made several fatal mistakes
>>6552817
zoomis

>>6553541
Okay, I'll give it a shot with this method

hello

>>6553642
bruh i’m a beg and even i know there is no way this perspective is right

>>6553642
Make the perspective of the door and the background use the same vertical vanishing point as the chick, otherwise it looks like you superimposed one figure on a different background. Maybe make her feet larger, reduce the skewing of her lower body to counteract the issue. Right now it's too much.

>>6553568
Fr fr

Posted in old thread dango

>>6553205
what brushes did you use

>>6553005
That looks like a real pencil.

>>6553724
Nice expression
I'd try and put some highlights in the hair

>>6553724
One eye is bigger than the other

>>6553161

Basically this is for my Xenogears doujin. The guy is upset cause the woman giving birth looks a lot like a woman he once loved and he cannot bear to look at her in pain like this. The woman being smug is just enjoying how these events are turning out as she looks forward to the baby being born.

Here is the picture of the baby the woman is giving birth to.

>>6553775
For your next art exercise playa imma need you to stop drawing and find some grass, preferably near trees, and roll around in it

>>6553659
>>6553661
yup i butchered perspective

>>6553150
Perspective between the figure and the plank looks fucked up.

>>6553642
Looks like she was planking on the door till it was opened very quickly and now shes on a collision course with the floor

>>6553734
It’s a repin study. Dude knew how to show sorrow

>>6552232
i understood nothing of this chart except cube so that is what will be done

I’d breed this ngl.

>>6552232
I love cubes so much. My brain groks industrial design shit so easily, Scott Robertson's book could have been written for me. I don't like it though and wish I had a better eye for characters.

my 37th drawing after starting back in november. does the face anatomy have any big errors?

>>6553441
The general composition is good, but there are many little mistakes (like the chair of the guy in the middle not being aligned with the angle of the ground) that pop up if you look at it long enough, and made more noticeable by the flatness in general. Small mistakes come out when you draw too much detail, try to use shadows to turn stuff that's unimportant in just a silhouette, and use them also to give more depth

>>6552925
>I'm so talented blablablabla
>picrel
Your eyes aren't trained to be able to discern skill. This is a classic beg mistake. Right now you think your art is very good because you're just not skilled enough to notice what's wrong with it (a lot, almost all of it). I'd recommend learning about anatomy, rendering and perspective because from your pic it looks like those areas are very weak. But I'm gonna be honest you sound like someone that doesn't feel like putting the effort in because of the delusion I described above. Case in point:
>but it's very simple since it's a side profile.
It's not simple 'because it's a side profile', that doesn't even make sense. It's also not simple at all; you've drawn every single hair, every wrinkle of the skin etc. Those are excuses.
Hard truth: your drawing looks like shit but you have a lot you can improve on and those are mostly fast improvements. Good luck.

For my perspective made easy finishers - is this what Norling means by his "man looking at table" homework? Added a Japanese character on the book because I realized at the end I totally broke the perspective and invented a piece of furniture that would only exist in a pod in Japan, and even then be taller. Whoops.

>>6553878

So what are the fixes needed?

tried copying, what do you think?

>>6553928
Add shadows and make the lines of the pavement thinner. I'll do a quick redline on the perspective later

>>6553729
I used real G pen and a custom pencil brush (Clip Studio Paint), you can download it here (base 64)

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>>6553949
Draw what you see, not what you think you see. Your observational skills are a bit lacking.

>>6553521
Ding ding ding
Overlay a simple grid over your reference, and one over your canvas. Just make sure the grids are identical. It can even just be a 2x2 grid.

>>6553909
Did you skip all of the boring wordy looking parts of the book?

>>6553443
You can literally put your stylus physically on the screen and measure.

bros i just need a single w, it took me two days to make bust... and it's still not done... going over lines multiple times and erasing and redrawing over and over. The tits still look like shit too.

>>6553642
hee hee

I can't even do this exercise right, I always overshoot, miss a point or draw a curved line. Anybody that started as shit as me can give me some advice?

>>6554111
Oof. Harsh but fair. I wanted to get into the habit of not using a ruler to check my path the VP, but, I am not there. Even with the check I still struggle mightily with keeping things "in" perspective, or scale or whatever, for instance these tries where despite the crutch not a single thing is to scale. Ankle high table and chest high window it looks like. I'm starting to think my imagination is warped by cartoon physics or something. I need to find some trees and draw from life.

>>6554190
This is one you want to not spend a ton of time on. Your entire career you're basically going to be doing it anyway. What helped me the most is to pick the start, then: look (as in, eyes travel the line you want), ghost ghost ghost, then take off while tracking with your eyes. When you get the muscle memory for a clean line it'll all come together nicely.

>>6554202
Don’t worry not using ruler is thing you eventually get with just motor skill, not a thing you have to intellectually understand so just wait for your hand to catch up to your brain as you practice drawing. It’s not that your imagination is warped it’s that your hand’s motor skill not paired up with your brain or not catch up with your brain yet aka hand-eye-coordination

>>6554185
follow up, would like to know if I fucked up any anatomy before moving on. it's been a fucking war for just this much.

>>6554203
I think I've managed like 3 straight lines in total and don't really know how. Worse yet, I've started concentrating on moving my shoulder and they come even worse, all wavy and imprecise. And I can't even go back.

any advice

>>6554221
The ribcage is too short. The abdomen is a little long. Keep fighting!

>>6554239
Are the breast fine where they are? I can extend the ribcage a bit.

>>6554223
Yeah, it was the same for me honestly. It got worse before it got better. It is honestly just muscle memory. Fwiw, to prove the theory I made my gf do the straight line exercises and she went from ramen noodles to dry spaghetti in about a week of her autistically grinding lines.

I wonder if the local printing place would question me if I sent them the Vilppu drawing manual and swore it was a legit copy that I had permission to print?

Also how do you manage rage? I consider myself a calm enough guy but fucking hell fucking up exercising makes me seethe to no end

Working on a card border.

>>6554190
Nah, dude. You're doing good. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be practiced. It's like writing, as a child you probably spent weeks and weeks practicing your letters, thinking about it, doing workbooks. Now you write just fine.

It's not that you're not progressing, you're just aware that it is something you need to practice. Do a couple of these, then try to copy some architectural sketches with lots of lines to mix it up.

>>6554190
What exercise is this?

>>6554254
I'm yet to see a printing place that gives a fuck

>>6554202
Better. Notice how Norling has put every single figures head on the horizon line so far. Also I'm looking at the "problem" on page 30 I do not think he meant for you to draw the man in the perspective view, but rather you should imagine and draw from the mans point of view.

>>6554291
>>6554294
not me, i took the pic from drawabox. The exercise is ghosted lines.

>>6553733
Close, I used a peencil

>>6553897
No, I completely get that. I'm not bragging, I'm just trying to provide some context that I'm very much a beginner artist with little passion for art and the accompanying image was just something I was currently working on. My entire portfolio is <10 portrait sketched with a Dixon Ticonderoga, two digital art piece (one of which I did with a mouse), and lots of shit like pic related. My goal is to develop the ability to draw without reference, something which I recognize will require a lot of work. As I said, the reason why I'm doing this is because it's my strongest natural ability according to multiple people, and while I agree that I'm better than most people I am very much intimidated by the amount of effort I need to become something more than competent.

I've just started something just for you so you have something to actually criticize. It should accurately represent the extent of my artistic ability (or my patience, whatever comes first) as it's the most complex thing I have done as I have always shirked at clothes and hair and it'll be the first time working in color and doing a full figure while not drawing with a mouse. I've already put about three hours in and think it will either be done tonight or tomorrow.

What are these lines that connect the ribs and the belly button?
I don't get it.

>>6554391
She has 6 fingers. It's just unnecessary pinching. pinch and stretch like Villpu teaches it.

>>6554202
>I wanted to get into the habit of not using a ruler to check my path the VP, but, I am not there.
The idea is to sketch it without the ruler, then check and correct with it.

>>6554399
>unnecessary pinching. pinch and stretch
I have no idea what that means
Anyway, art is by Jack Dempa. He's legit and just made an honest mistake here

>>6554391
Look at that weird ass space between the neck to the collarbone lol.

>>6552221
What now?

>>6554415
Avoid extreme perspective for a while. It's getting very dull.

>>6554436
Idk what u mean

>>6554415
No offense anon but you've been posting this pic for like a year maybe it's time to move on?

>>6554456
Yeah but i just came back to it and finished it, changed so much stuff. I post a new drawing here everyday, anon

>>6554384
What is the connection point for the bottom arms?

we've all started "late" here right? After our 20s I mean.

>>6554622
I started at 21 a year ago

>>6554622
29 atm,used to doodle a lot when I was a teenager, never got good at it, frustration and MMO addiction took 10 years away from me. Hoping that learning the fundamentals and actually taking the hard path of drawing poses and perspectives I am bad at will get me out of the flat 2d from the side rut. Also enrolled in a class hoping that will help me along with my own studies. I have been assured and told over and over there is no "too late" if you start today.

>>6554622
No I've been drawing since I was a kid but I stagnated and my progress is slow for how long I've been drawing so I'm going back to the beginning hoping I properly learn my fundies and improve and fix old bad habits. My goal is to learn to draw from imagination, I have good motor skill cause I did life drawing and copies but never actually understood fundies intellectually and conceptually.

>>6554622
I drew as a kid, tried to get into it "seriously" once when I was 17, and now I'm trying again at 24. Lots of people start "late", and I know some people that started in their mid thirties and still do it to this day.
>>6554642
>Frustration and MMO addiction took 10 years away from me
Fucking preach brother.

>>6554642
man I hope you'll gmi. I'm very familiar with the godawful feeling of having wasted years of your life.

>>6554684
>>6554690
Comforting to know I am not alone, I imagine a lot of artists struggle with video game addiction in general, I made friends and memories, for sure, but I lost a lot of time. I wish I could have at least made time for art and dropped the hardcore for art practice. No point fretting about it now, just taking my art grind one day at a time. Best of luck to you both as well.

>>6554624
at what level do you consider yourself to be now? I'm on the same boat, age-wise.

>>6554622
i've been drawing since i was a kid but didn't really take things seriously until i was 19 (22 now). I wish I was more serious about drawing because I've felt behind my peers (went to an art program in high school, but i didn't take high school very seriously either).

>>6554537
didn't think it through to be honest

I can't decide the hair style and if I should go for massive udders ot flat chest.

suggestions?

>>6554719
forgot pic

>>6554723
holy shit I had an idea

>>6554622
I drew as a kid, but my family pressured me into being a grade A student so while they didn't outright discourage my drawing, I dropped it since it wasn't helping with schoolwork. Since graduating college at 20 (I'm 23 now) and deciding to forget about grad school I decided to pick up drawing again. Unfortunately a lot of perfectionist ideas that came from school hasn't meshed well learning the fundies

>>6554622
24 and I am now 25

>>6553125
this is cute sosu

>>6554684
>>6554704
oh thank god i’m not the only person like this in this thread. when i first joined these threads i felt like i already knew some things like line confidence and observational drawing vs symbol drawing etc.


but i also felt so weird giving advice or talking about my background with art because people will hear that you’ve been drawing since you were a kid and ask for you to pyw. but it’s embarrassing as hell because, yeah, i’ve been drawing since i was a kid but i’m still a beg. y’know what i mean?

what can i do to make this painting more sexo

>>6554829
maybe define the back leg a little more
i also don’t like the pointy chin but idk maybe that’s just me

>>6552221

>>6553963

Yeah. I am at work atm but I have added some shadows to help with the pic. I will upload later.

>>6554829
put blue everywhere

>>6554829
Some line weight

>>6553041
>>6553163
>>6553135

>>6554693
mid /beg/

bros im going to start drawing all i have is a lead pencil and printer paper
cant afford drawing tablet because wagie salary
all i want is cool pictures of art deco buildings and dignified men and women wearing suits

>>6554806
When I say I "drew as a kid" I mean I doodled garbage a kid would draw during class, any time I had to choose between video games and drawing I picked video games every single time. That's why I say I "started drawing" about a year ago, because that's when I started taking it seriously. Most people I've known have never really started at one concrete point, it's been extremely bumpy to get to where they are today. Art's not as straightforward as other hobbies so it's a hard question for people to answer unless they had the discipline to stick to a strict regimen. I wish I did.

Hello beg. Today i polished turd, accidentally turned young sexy woman face into granny and then failed to capture shota head likeness. Its over.

>>6554862
lmao nice, you even nailed that awkward distance between the eyes in the original. Pro caricaturist right here!
>>6554844
2deep4me
>>6554829
boobas have nipples, your booba has no nipple. make her stick tongue out and close one eye, add more depth to her ass by putting more shades on 1 leg, take the swimsuit off
>>6554730
promising coom material
>>6554415
now draw background
>>6554391
my beg guess is that the author used photo with real women who very commonly have a slight belly bump under belly button and since he traced without fundies he made that. Alternatively its supposed to be place where rib cage ends and on very slim people this spot can produce edge.
>>6554264
looking solid
>>6554258
all what rage does to me is that i draw aggressively aka thicker lines, bolder curves and accuracy goes even more than usual to shit
>>6554190
not a single BEG book recommended doing this. Move on to contour exercises for your own sanity
>>6554221
anon... are you using reference? Please use reference. Dont attempt to construct stuff without reference as beg
>>6553949
its passable for beg standards. I recommend using better material as references though.
>>6553859
solid pixel anime, personally i would make nose and mouth more visible
>>6553824
>tits so big the lower torso isnt visible at all
anatomy was defeated by COOM in this drawing
>>6553506
gesture, do gesture grind for a week or two
>>6553453
its essentially the same thing except tablet is like ice compared to paper. And digital colors are nothing like trad colors. For example did you know monitors dont have many colors, the biggest offender being brown?
>>6554886
thats literally all you need. Just make sure your pencil is SOFT (letter B) so you have access to more tones of black. Pirate book Keys to Drawing.

Last time anon tell me read more perspective but idk any other book on perspective besides perspective made easy. But I plan to do more perspective practice such as finding perspective in photos, more drawabox, do some interior design and more environment in perspective. Body in the 3 point perspective too hard for me currently (as seen in image) I put off to side for now, any other suggestions for exercise do say.

>>6553949
For the observational drawing overlay silhouettes to see difference or try using plumb lines, comparative measuring, and landmarks, at least it helps for me.

>>6554886
That all you need and I think it's better you learn with traditional first, you will make better habits if you start with traditional than start with digital but when you get to coloring then digital might be better for unlimited color choice, although learning color with watercolor paint not a bad idea either but learning curve more punishing because of the medium, limited palette,and water control.

>>6554901
>anon... are you using reference? Please use reference. Dont attempt to construct stuff without reference as beg
On and off, I had a reference for the pose and the face, I tried to fix it, it's still doesn't look right and I'm not sure why. So let me ask this, do I scrap it and start over with a more formal and proper reference or finish this piece?

>>6554910
to add on to this, won't be offended if you say start over, still got a lot of practice with motor skills out of this and I am willing to walk out with just that.

>>6554371
>drawabox

my recent research showed that water doesnt do this realy. some anon said it is cum. this why it happens. so she must be appears from cum pit. and this is kind makes it more sexo

>>6554917
I heard lesson 1 and some of the box exercises are good, but most else of drawabox can be dismissed.

>>6554862
Hey, as the gentleman who would like to have sex with her I think you have misportrayed the other fellow who said nice.

>>6554389
Progress so far. I was way more preoccupied than I anticipated tonight, so I don't even think I even got another two hours in. I don't know if this will be done tomorrow. There's a lot more detail than I anticipated and my head hurts. Aside from detail, I'll be cleaning up the eyes and hands and then figure out how the fuck I'm going to do the skirt.

>>6554903
I love perspective made easy i feel like it has all you realistically ever need to know about perspective. scott robertson's “how to draw” is often recommended for advanced perspective. framed perspective is another book for beginners.

>Perspective for Artists with Erik Olson sections 1-10
>Fundamentals of Perspective 1-2-3 Gnomon
are video courses that are often recommended as well but i never did them myself, and i don’t really know where to find them. i think i downloaded one of those courses but it’s unfinished (not sure which i’m not at my computer right now).

loomis “successful drawing” is also a nice transition from perspective to figure drawing and helped me fill in some gaps in my perspective knowledge.

Most based anti corporate pro AI take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRKcXU__8U

>>6554936
Wow, thanks a lot of resource recommendations. Next time I need to remember not to scribble out the mistake, better if I don't for correction but it is old bad habit.

>>6554910
May as well

>>6554829
a little water bounce light on her butt? but maybe it's too bright for that

Current update on my pic.

So apparently the cropping feature was fucking up my lines more than anything. I would not get this issue with a straight scan.

Hey friends how do I "get better" at art exactly?
I'm fully on board on the drawing a lot deal, sure, but what exactly should I be drawing? Should I just mindlessly follow the sticky and hope that works?
Anybody got anything else? I'm bad at planning stuff like this, but point me to something and I'll do it

>>6555000
Composition could be more dynamic. A Birds Eye View is too clinical

>>6555013
Instead of mindlessly following the sticky, you should mindFULLY follow the sticky :)

>>6555018
Ack!
Fine. But should I really? Will it help me "get good"?
As long as I have something that I can mindlessly follow (even if it requires thought) I can probably do it just fine, like I said I'm 100% willing to draw whatever, I just wanna know what I should be looking to draw exactly.

>>6555026
>As long as I have something that I can mindlessly follow (even if it requires thought) I can probably do it just fine, like I said I'm 100% willing to draw whatever, I just wanna know what I should be looking to draw exactly.
You're in luck!

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

>>6555031
Cool, ok! Thanks for the link anon.
But that aside I'm still kind of curious, is the sticky any good and all or whatever? People in here seem to like going ">he fell for it" and such about pretty much any book so I have no clue.
What about the whole drawabox business?
If you could tell me.

Tried measuring by using a bent elbow and pencil. Seemed to work better

>>6555048
>Is the sticky good?
If you're talking about the sticky for this board, I think it could be better. It doesn't have "wrong information", but it could give more effective advice. I think people need to realize that learning to draw is learning figure drawing. They're one in the same thing. Figure drawing is your path to learning to draw. Get a good figure drawing book, good supplemental anatomy books, and one good perspective book. Then you're golden. Continue doing figure drawing and making art from imagination, over and over again, endlessly. Andrew Loomis is good, as is the David Finch guide. Learn from people who can actually draw well.

>he fell for it
most people here (and in society at large) are lazy failures. Don't use /ic/ for advice too much.

>What about the whole drawabox business?
I don't know what the courses teaches in detail, since I've never worked through it. Sorry. The exercises are time-tested and good, but the author's artwork isn't that great, so there's a lot of polarizing opinions on it.

>>6555071
>Get a good figure drawing book
Anything specific come to mind? I know I have the other link already but I can always use more stuff
>The exercises are time-tested and good, but the author's artwork isn't that great, so there's a lot of polarizing opinions on it.
Hmmm... okay. I'll read more on what it's about (thankfully I think he explains what's the point of it all, or so I heard) and figure it out then. Thanks anon!!!

>>6555077
>figure drawing book
I like the David Finch guide, it's not a book, but a series of books, and a curriculum. Andrew Loomis' "Figure Drawing for all it's worth" is difficult but worth it too

>>6555017

Well it is meant to be in a medical setting. I have done more close up shots of this scene.

As for dynamic,in what way can I achieve such?

>>6555089
Thx nigga

>>6554862
Miku's feet smell like rubber and WD-40

Kk

>>6555104
Emphasize the mother's pain more. Your drawing just looks like a blueprint

>>6555193

Best way to do that?

>>6554862
holy shit saved
>>6553084
>>6553123
>>6553135
>>6553163
thank you! i was a little unsure about the direction i was going for but i'll keep trying!

>>6555194
blood everywhere

>>6552221
Bones are fun!

>>6554391
refer to picrel.
Take note that the line is formed by the costal cartilage.
There are no muscles connecting the cartilage.

>>6554916
Here's a playlist that could help any anon in their anatomy.
-RM4PN

>>6555229
FUCK I FORGOT THE PLAYLIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOtvA-dvD_w&list=PLZMBcJ3z3muVWakf0Asr17hSVMaZ1gfys&ab_channel=MuscleandMotion

>>6555219
May I have a more detailed explanation?
My head is hurting.
I have no idea how to picture it in my head

Mind I ask for a bigger and clearer model

>>6554829
holy shit, did not expect to see banger twitter art posted in this shithole

>>6555229
>>6555233
It's a single video rather then a playlist, but thank you. Between keeping a reference closer and such and my upcoming anatomy class, I should hopefully get a better understanding. I found a pose similar to what I was trying, It doesn't seem too far off but I can clearly see where I fucked up.

>>6555361
it’s a playlist. open it in a new tab dummy.

>>6555374
oh, it's because I copied video url

>>6554829
Wondering why noone else has mentioned it - tune the ass cheeks. Even if the ass is semi flat, right now it has no curvature which would never happen for a grown woman. You're using too many straight lines for the lower part of the butt, very noticeable for her left cheek. Putting a bit of reflected light on the cheeks from the pool will do a lot to make it sexier as well.

drew without ref

>>6555508
That ear position is odd.

>>6554901
You're skilled. Just move in from those ones and start over with references

>>6555303
Pardon me for not being clear enough.

The abs are pretty much connected to the sternum(your breast bone) through the xiphoid process(encircled in blue). The abs do not directly connect to the parts lower than the sternum. It's connected that way so we won't risk ripping out the huge cartilage that is the costal margin(fake ribs) when we do ab crunches

That's why abs are on top of the costal margin(encircled in red).

What you are looking for is encircled in green. It doesn't have much muscle in that area. That's why it's easy to rupture someone's liver by punching in that area specifically. And it also looks that way because the abs are sitting on top of everything from the sternum to the pubic bone.

More coom(and some skates lol).

>>6555442
can you redline pls?
arigatou gozaimasu

>>6555654
What am I observing here?

>>6555663
Drug induced mental breakdown.

>>6552221

I've heard people talk about automatic drawing. Is there a source that goes in depth about this? I'm interested in learning how to do it properly.

>>6555694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ

>>6555563
Please give me a different muscle model

I cannot figure out if that is a front facing model or slightly sideways

i haven't drawn since october because i'm a loser who had to stop being a neet but i'm trying to start again. maybe this time i'll stop being permabeg.

>>6554389
>>6554934
End of day 2 as far as I'm concerned. Is this supposed to take so long? How do I do felt? I also need some new music to listen to; I'm sick of Motown and J-Rap.

>>6555810
Look like she's holding two chopped off hands pretending it's her own.

hello beg, end of section 2 of the bargue. toddlers are so deformed!

>>6555766
why dont you try being chad and drawing after work?
>>6555567
>that face
you need keys to drawing or loomis or something, this doesnt pass even the bare minimum anime standards
>>6555556
thanks. my plan is to finish this book (the last part seems extremly short and has no rendering) and then jump into perspective
>>6555508
remember to put eyes in middle of the skull, not 3/4
>>6555333
she needs rape correction
>>6555013
hello friend, i recc keys to drawing. the book plus minus tells you what to draw and how
>>6554910
anon if you dont use reference as beg you are just cementing bad habits
>>6555810
it takes whatever time it needs to be done

>>6555819
What do you think causes that? I plan to fix the color, add a little more dimension around the knuckles, and see about thinning the fingers down a little bit, but do you think the arms are too long for the body or something? I imagine that could be resolved once I go back to detailing the coat.

>>6555832
They have that water bloated corpse look. I'd imagine It's a combination of a bunch of things, size, fat hands, and soft rendering. Easy fix cloud maybe be just to eliminate the red from the hands and hope they look like gloves instead.

NEW THREAD
>>6555845
>>6555845
>>6555845

>>6555830
>why dont you try being chad and drawing after work?
because i'm drawing before work as of today