/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6551320
I hate coomers

my end goal is to become an amazing artist, not a popular guy

>>6551320
I don’t have a pay pig to retweet me from the jump.

>>6551320
I don't want coomer followers

>>6551325
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>>6551320
I'm not a soulless golem.

>>6551338
>>6551337

Honestly, I've entered the game 1 year ago exactly (took a 4 month break from socials right at the end of the year to work on pages) but I've made real industry connections and frens, I've been able to participate in various art tournaments and it's made the experience absolutely amazing. I only have like 260 followers, but heck, it's been a ride so far!

>>6551320
>20,000 followers in one day
anon....
you know the meme
>700k followers
>300 patreons

also stop advertising yourself

>>6551320
Dunno. Twitter is a mercurial platform. I think it’s a who you know type of thing. Reach isn’t possible without ppl with large followings retweeting you regularly. Otherwise at best it’s a circlejerk of a few other nobodies retweeting your post to a few other small followings and ultimately going nowhere. You need the help from people with heckin big followings or you’re ngmi.

>>6551320
AI artists shit out 4 second drawings and get 50 000 followers in a day
your point?

>>6551320
post their twitter

>>6551343
how'd you go about getting into such things and making connections?

>>6551356
show one example

you think this will demoralize me? My soul is hardened from decades of abuse from this world. I've seen my crush ask out my best friend in front of me. I've been the mediator for my own parents divorce. I draw because it hurts, not because I want to get good. You'll have to try harder to stop me from drawing.

>>6551367
The wounds have already been inflicted.

>>6551358
I just stuck my nose in things, i talked to people; I've always been hands on, so i just jumped on drawing abunch of characters of indie comics and such. Ended up speaking with the artist(s) and got invited to chat in their discords. Some of em even privately messaged me and asked where i came from exactly hahaha which is nowhere really, i am not classical trained nor did i go to school for it. I just love comics/art, and i wanna draw, and so do you- so draw. See it, draw it.

I just like to post here for people to tell me I suck and make other mean comments.

One of my old streaming friends has like 500k followers which I'm really happy for her. She deserves her success.

I've only got like 700 on twitter and 800 on twitch.

>>6551375
The surprising element was some even mentored me for abit, and i get why, i know i have the proper ideas and style, i just needed the discipline, and all this time has been a sacrifice, and a hardship but the only worth of self, because this is what i was put on this earth to do, to draw.

>>6551375
>>6551381
uber based. Keep at it.

>>6551320
>not realizing that a lot of it is luck
I post my work to my galleries and they do... OK? Not much reach, few views, few comments. Some guy serial commissioner commissioned me, posted the piece to his gallery, and it is one of his most viewed pieces on there, with many, many times more views than when I post stuff to my gallery. It's happened with other things I've drawn, too, where reposts are the hot shit that get tons of reactions, one even going viral to the point of becoming meme and cosplay material, but my upload might get a few "Nice job" comments and at few thousand views. It made me realize that once you reach intermediate, a lot of success boils down to something being posted in the right place and the right time.

>>6551393
Aye, keep an eye out for us all, we will improve together brother!

>>6551359
jealous?

>>6551357
@borvart

>>6551320
>this nsfw person got 20k in one day by drawing
And now ask him what kind of pictures did he give to his discord mods.

I saw it bros. ngl it feels bad.
I post regularly, done memes, fanart, and my art is quite good (commissioners tell me I should have at least 10k) but I'm stuck at 2K.

>>6551346
It's true for some reason, but it's their own fault they are so bad at marketing. It's exposure. Be smart about it.

>>6551351
I'd rather kms then dick ride and dick suck bigger artists. If anything do good work or do memes, that works. Kyle doesn't retweet and look at him.

>>6551338
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>>6551327
based alert

>>6551378
does she stream art?

>>6551320
That's cool, good on them. Making something that will randomly hit the public zeitgeist like that is fairly random. I personally don't think it has anything to do with art talent (just look at that ms paint history teacher account) and more to do with luck, given how fickle people are.

Everyone should quickly make clown girls, get the clussy audience before that well runs dry!

>>6551320
I don't understand this shit why is it so random and how people even find my art when i have only 10 followers
Some of that stuff isnt even tagged and it blows up

>>6551491
It’s because of the people you follow

>>6551495
So will following people actually recommend my tweets to them more or something

>>6551499
Yeah, why else you think people set up follow bots and have 3k+ followers?

>>6551503
I thought those were bots that followed the account that set them up. I don't know man I've avoided twitter for so long I'm new to this

>>6551504
He’s lying to you. You’re too easy to impress; I bet I can sell you a bridge connected to Guantanamo.

>>6551320
>UKRAINE BOOBA
UKRAINE BOOBA
>UKRAINE BOOBA

>>6551320
i can't draw tits

>>6551504
I meant following, but who you follow and even keywords from your post get people to notice your shit due to the algorithm. You don’t even need hashtags, compared to insta.

>>6551320
>coomer that posts almost everyday
good for him, he know his audience and is on the grind

>>6551529
>i can't draw

>>6551320
That's not a clown girl. I actually draw clown girls but haven't gained that much following so I need to step up my game.

>>6551518
i hate ukraine

>>6551320
Mostly my dogshit skill level but I also suck at social media, all I post is the drawing, one word as a title, a tag or two, and ignore the occasional praise from randos. Sometimes I draw people's OCs but I never @ them because I know they don't give a fuck and nine times out of then they're the one who asked on 4chan where I also posted it so they already saw.

I'm fairly sure Twitter thinks I'm a bot and shadowbanned me to some extent but I don't give a fuck.

>>6551619
>sometimes I draw people's OCs but I never @ them because I know they don't give a fuck
They might not give a shit, but they're still likely to retweet you (or whatever) as an act of courtesy. You took the time to draw their character and engage with their work, as well as advertise their work to your followers, they're going to pay back that favour.

Bigger accounts might not do so (mostly because they become smug pricks), but most otherwise should. Don't half-ass things anon, leverage what you can as much as you can.

I think it helps if you put a personality behind your art, I started posting blog type posts and outfit pictures between my art posts and now I get a lot more engagement and comms. It helps if people feel like the can connect with the artist

Okay but seriously, is there ANY way to grow quickly that's not pure luck, sucking cock or drawing giant tit fetish coom?
I have seen artists that limit themselves to suggestive original character work, never draw for others, and have insane growth.
It's all like playing the lottery isn't it? God I hate algorithms, I actually fucking miss deviantart and tumblr.

>>6551661
>almost 100k followers in one year from coom fanart
Anon, I’m afraid it’s the only way….

>>6551668
God how, how the fuck? This seems impossible. I feel like even if I started doing this shit right now I could never achieve something like that. They don't have to suck cock on Discord or spam their posts with tags or beg bigger artists for retweets.
I love making art but I also want it to be seen, so it feels like delusion to keep playing a game only 0.001% win.

You actually post art on social media platforms?
Have some self-respect.

>>6551672
calm yourself schizo

>>6551320
>Why keeps YOU from growing?

I don't use twitter. Even without the political bullshit the site has the worst UI for art viewing.

>>6551677
Use browser extensions to make the experience better, old man.

>>6551677
Still better than any of the platforms out rn

>>6551495
So would it be better to follow all the anime/coomer/OC-posting accounts with high follower counts even if I don’t draw the same stuff as them? I’m only following painters right now.

>>6551320
Sorry my government wagie job lets me draw whenever I want while this faggot has to pander to twitter leftists without guaranteed income.

Twitter is full of "viral" art that hasn't gone viral.

It's appeal-based, but also luck-based. If you draw appealing content, you're just buying more lottery tickets (like most things in life, really).

>>6551679
>extensions to make the experience

They don't fix the issues with the userbase

>>6551706
> pander to twitter leftists
Coomshit is mostly conservative shit. Coomers don’t care if a person does something terrible, they will continue to consoom shit, retard.

>>6551714
Have you tried fitting in, old man?

>>6551679
Are there extensions to make the site more optimised? Sometimes I'll click on an image in my timeline and it'll enlarge an image someway further up the page for some damn reason. Or what about an extension to fix the fucking terrible galleries?
I fucking hate twitter, it's a shame it's where all the artists are right now.

I can't believe I miss tumblr so much.

>>6551734
> I fucking hate twitter, it's a shame it's where all the artists are right now.
Blame the other sites for restricting their platforms like a bitch. That’s as good you’re gonna get, so quit bitching.

>>6551320
I'm more of a flat chest kind of guy

>>6551734
If you don't want to use Twitter then don't use Twitter. It's that simple. You're can a accumulate a large audience on any other platform like FA or Pixiv without resorting to a non-art platform that kills image quality.

>>6551668
>lucifer
that don’t look like the devil to me

>>6551671
https://youtu.be/Q2xsz0fSogI

>62replies
>37 unique posters
>One board with an unfathomable jelly butthurt.

>>6551320
I have not drawn a clown girl with big tits.

>>6551854
ngmi

>>6551854
Good morning, Mikusama.

teach me how to get popular on twitter uwaaa

>>6551854
>Less than 2 posts per poster
What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? If it's that people are spazzing out, frothing in the mouth and rage posting... than you're clearly a retard.

>>6551320
>Why keeps YOU from growing?
No one cares about what I make.

The difference between me, that artist, and all the other artists that are pretty amateur in skill level, but have a large following, is that they make things people value and care about. Stuff that people think is cool.

No one ever liked anything I made. Ive had a few social media, but I just recently decided to give up on updating them and just kind of quietly abandoned them all. I still draw, just only like Drawpile or something where I can be with my friends and enjoy the process.

>>6551911
It’s because they draw coom, anon. Cool shit can net you a following, but people care more about sex. Social media is the era where sex appeal is everything. Don’t beat yourself over it

>>6551320
Your first mistake was assuming I care about 'growing' an audience, and one specifically consisting of the lowest common denominator of internet perverts.

>>6551320
Not being shilled by some jew

My sense of shame holds me back. I know exactly what to do to get huge, but I'm embarrased.

>>6551320
im a niche internet micro celebrity if i blew up it would kill the vibe and mean i was doing something wrong

>>6551320
Link?

>This person gained 20,000 followers in one day for drawing a clown girl with big tits.
So have people who posted random shit, just because the algorithm of whatever platform randomly decided to run an engagement test with their post.
>Why keeps YOU from growing?
Aside from your misunderstanding of these algorithms, this is a loaded question. Tell me why anyone should put such importance on "growing". Or maybe just stop making troll threads and do something useful with your time.

>>6551320
I CHIMed

>>6551320
>This person gained 20,000 followers in one day for drawing a clown girl with big tits.
>Why keeps YOU from growing?
Rather grow skill than popularity, but what's holding it back for not is laziness issues.

>>6551320
>Why keeps YOU from growing?
No no no no no no. You don't understand. I DON'T need to grow. YOU need to regress. So stop wasting my time and go play video games or watch some porn. Losers.

>>6551320
That’s why this guy was on my TL??? Wth that’s crazy

>>6551320
nah he probably got some big coomer accounts to retweet him and/or he knows someone with alot of followers in real life to share his shit. Also, many people aspire to be more then a big titty anime girl artist that collects likes on social media.

>>6551320
I will never understand non artists, this looks incredibly generic run of the mill average
theres so many talented motherfuckers I follow that are only at 1k -5k followers
I guess its that old saying about mediocrity rising to the top

>>6551917
Its not like followers matter either, look at this bozo having 160k followers but charging 50 dollars for a colored drawing.
If he actually had a huge fucking demand he would up his prices like other people that have less followers but are more valued by people that are actually paying

>>6552691
50 adds up if yo have thousands of pay pigs lined up each month. Accessibility even for Timmy with moms purse.

>>6551668
This drawing looks AI generated, I've reported it

>>6551320
i dont have the autism necessary to be popular on social media
and im not joking

>>6552822
Why the fuck would you? Hustle culture is the most memed shit since the great tech bubble of 2000s

>>6551668
>be sfw
>sometimes manage to get a post retweetet and liked lots of times
>still have to gain a single follower
>think i have to put a lot more effort
>some nobody draws a pair of tits
>gets flooded with followers
nsfw artists seriously had the balls to complain about them actually having to work hard when that meme about them only doing getting likes and followers because of sex got viral

>>6551331
>>6551325
as far as everyone replying "cope", this is actually a valid point. the rapid growing after viral event or hype doesn't convert into an audience. I have 2 tiktoks with millions of views and I still have under 5k followers on instagram. those coomers will subscribe because of big tits clown and then forget about him in a week. this is sad reality. the modern audience is too greedy and their attention span is too short. he now has to either dedicate all his art career to this fucking clown to keep the meme alive or be lucky to create something hyped again

>>6551357
im pretty sure this twitter account belongs to one person

>>6551661
tumblr is still alive and it's actually quite easy to get attention there. the only problem is that your popularity on tumblr will stay there. you won't be able to convert your tumblr audience to any other social media

>>6552865
Paco….
>>6552869
Site still has the bad rep, but is that true?

>>6551320
>My old DA got zero attention had some pretty good pieces 80 subs only after 5 years
>Make new account
>upload at least one shitty doodle a day
>suddenly loads of favs and watchers
Wtf?

>>6552893
Ai bots mostly populated da now a days

>>6551320
>Why keeps YOU from growing?
The jews.

>>6551320
>What keeps YOU from growing?
The fandoms I draw for are either small or very cliquey and the larger artists in them won't acknowledge my work; and if I try to draw flavor of the month like Chainsaw Man or always popular things like Evangelion it gets drowned out by the over saturation of more talented artists making content for it.

>>6552964
Suck the dic of popular artist by drawing their oc and draw fighting game waifus

>>6552967
The popular artists I follow don't have OCs, it's all cult-following video game fandom stuff.

>>6552969
Well, you do the other option i just mentioned. Shit like genshin or any large mainstream anime is oversaturated with talent. Also follow more artists as well

>>6552857
>only doing getting likes and followers because of sex
Plenty of artists draw coom, but not every single one of them is successful. There's more to it than just "draw coom, gain followers" - Like OP's example, you have to strike a niche, or you have to make coom that's a cut above the rest.

>>6552993
What is so niche and specific about OPs pic that? It's honestly just generic clown with big tits making a face, that's as non-niche as it gets.
The other explanation is that it's inorganic growth.
>or you have to make coom that's above the rest
This generic and otherwise bland coom is what apparently attracts the most people.
I see this all the time on there, with extremely generic artists who only draw generic anime girls having tons of followers and hitting the algorithm jackpot every single time.
pic related is what i randomly got on my feed.
Is that niche or just big tits wow?

>>6552876
it is filed with left-wing teen girls who like politics yes. but they are not a major threat honestly. the problem is fanbases. those are the real sociopaths. especially if they are furries. literally mental illnesses cesspool and you better try to stay away from them. those are a trannie nolifers on benzos who will dedicate their entire lives to bully someone into suicide just because they drew the tail of their favorite animal the wrong shade of orange

>>6552993
Why are coom artist so dishonest.

>>6553011
It's mostly luck, if someone grows super fast, they know a big artist and got retweeted by them

>>6553027
It is either 1 in 10000000000 chance or actually knowing some big artist then?
I know coom artists who don't grow at all, such as in the case of many from this board, but none of them ever actually got lucky when there are many artists worse than them getting elon musk numbers as soon as they join the platform?

I can't blame anons when they get discouraged from drawing when merit plays no role in this. It's just doing porn and who you know and who you sell your soul to.

A lot of the begs and ints here create way better works than pic related yet they will never get the opportunities that a high social media engagement brings with itself.

It all points out to the game being rigged.

>>6553011
>It's honestly just generic clown with big tits
>generic clown with big tits
>clown
Jeez, I wonder what the niche fetish could have been. A real head scratcher that one

>picrel
While I don't find it an interesting image, I've seen enough coom images to know it's a higher quality one. Have you never been on deviantart? That's the depths of poor quality coom.

>>6553022
I don't draw coom, so dishonest about what? Saying there's a bit more to their popularity than just the "coom"?
Do you disagree that there are a lot of artists who draw coom who don't have many followers?

>>6553082
>a girl with very big tits is niche because of the clown element
You haven't paid attention when the clown girl from the nintendo game was trending and everyone was losing their mind about clussy. And even then, the niche element barely plays a an active role in that image and there is no real fetish there since does some generic bland clothing with more than one color already classify it as clown material? That's really a low bar of acceptance for a fetish.
The tits and the face are the focus, period. Stop clowning around.
>it's a higher quality one
It really is not. I have seen this exact image countless times. It's almost like out of a factory line.
>Have you never been on deviantart?
What point are you trying to make? It doesn't magically make something better than it actually is because there is something worse than that.

how do people maintain a social media (suceful or not), keep up with trends/memes, watch shows/movies, work (i assume most are kids or neets) and still find time to draw something at least decent that gets views?

>>6553116
>The tits and the face are the focus, period.
The fact that there were a lot of people thirsting over clussly and it became a meme shows that there is interest in such a fetish. It doesn't matter if it's a low bar, it's still an under-served niche.
I don't know why you even want to debate whether the image is of a clown girl, at this point you're just being stupidly pedantic.

>What point are you trying to make?
Are you dense? I said it's of a higher quality than the majority of online coom, or even just art online. There's a lot of crap out there, and just because there's a lot of good art too, doesn't change the fact that the good art is in the minority. Thus good coom just draws some attention.

>picrel
That's just a girl anon, it's not even coom, what the fuck point are you even trying to make now?

Anyway, you're coming across as super salty - it's pathetic that some people draw coom just to get attention, but it's more pathetic to just constantly bitch and moan about not getting coom like attention. Just draw coom if you want it so bad anon.

>>6553166
I'm just having a conversation, why do you have to attack me personally now?
>I don't know why you even want to debate whether the image is of a clown girl
Because it is obvious that the appeal of the image is not the niche you claim it is serving.
You can be sure that no one actually gives a shit about the girl being a clown, thus it has nothing to do with a niche.
>I said it's of a higher quality than the majority of online coom
Compared to what though? Literal garbage? If that's already high quality that it deserves that much attention, what about all the better works who get ignored? You can't just say that it was all luck either, that would be just a cop out.
In the end it just means that it was the big open tits.
>That's just a girl anon, it's not even coom, what the fuck point are you even trying to make now?
Can you explain to me why this would warrant such attention? It's a generic anime girl with headphone and basic shading. Is it high quality art or just appealing, yet again to the lizard brain?
>constantly bitch and moan
>just draw coom if you want it so bad
You entered the conversation, didn't make any actual arguments, your observations are mostly ignorant and heavily biased and you get pissy because i'm not simply accepting whatever you tell me?

There is no need for all this bullshit; Just come out and say that tits get attention and you can only gain anything on social media if you actually know people or pay them to boost your account, otherwise one should not even bother with it.

>>6551320
The reality is that it's all about the appeal. I've seen shit tier artists with low technical skill make it because their doodles are very appealing and very high skill drawfags fail because they have zero appeal.

>>6553210
>I'm just having a conversation, why do you have to attack me personally now?
Fine fine, this site makes me write more patronisingly to preemptively strike anyone before I get called a 'nigger faggot'.

> it is obvious that the appeal of the image is not the niche
>no one actually gives a shit about the girl being a clown, thus it has nothing to do with a niche.
Well obviously first and foremost it's the big tits, but there are bigger better tits elsewhere, what makes this big tits interesting is that they're clown girl tits.
If we can't agree on that, then we're just going to disagree no matter what.

>Compared to what though? Literal garbage?
Yes, most of what's on the internet is literal garbage.

>You can't just say that it was all luck either, that would be just a cop out. In the end it just means that it was the big open tits.
You seem to have a problem realising two things can be true at the same time. There can be coom artists who fail despite having better quality work, simply because of bad luck, and there can be lousier artists who greatly succeed through luck - the opposite can also happen purely through luck.

>You entered the conversation, didn't make any actual arguments
I did, just because you don't like them, doesn't change the fact that they're arguments.

>your observations are mostly ignorant and heavily biased
Says the guy who is heavily biased against the coom art. I simply said that while coom will get you more attention, even then you need to strike niches and be of a higher quality than other coom artists, I don't know what's so incomprehensible about my point?

>Just come out and say that tits get attention
Yes? Tits get attention, that was never contested?

>you can only gain anything on social media if you actually know people or pay them to boost your account, otherwise one should not even bother with it.
No. That's just a childish 'woe is me' way of looking at it. The world is not against you, stop acting like it.

>>6553254
>I did, just because you don't like them, doesn't change the fact that they're arguments.
All your arguments are
>It's just luck, bro
>You just hate coom, bro
>It's just a niche, bro
>Stop thinking the world is against you, bro

>most of what's on the internet is literal garbage
And who gets to decide that? What if i said that the clown girl was garbage as well? Or is it a
>if i like = good
>if i don't like = bad
criteria?
Clown girl is mediocre.
>what makes that interesting is that they're --clown-- tits
No. They're interesting simply because big tits. Men don't give a shit about what they're attached to. You see big kahoogas, neuron gets activated. That's it.
My point is that by trying to somehow claim that it merits it's appeal to the clown element, is honestly a joke. When i there are lots of examples of things being liked simply because they appeal to the lizard brain.
>Luck
Again, that's a cop out to not give an actual answer. How do you define luck? Luck in what exactly? What exactly is supposed to happen for you to get lucky? If so many constantly get lucky, can you even call that luck anymore or is it other things actually going on that have nothing to do with luck?
Chilling in the void and waiting for something, somewhere to magically happen is not an answer anyone would be seriously satisfied with.
>you're a child and the world is not against you
Do i have to assume that you never had an actual conversation except with mentally deranged twitter users who can't stop sucking their own dicks?

If you're correct, you should be able to explain everything in detail and with clear objectivity and not just throw out buzzwords like luck, niche while adding insults and projecting boogeymen when lacking actual, genuine honest arguments.
If you can't handle people disagreeing with you, just don't bother man. I'm not pointing a gun to your head forcing you to do this.
I am right though, just so we're clear.

>>6553307
>I did, just because you don't like them, doesn't change the fact that they're arguments.
>All your arguments are
>It's just luck, bro
>You just hate coom, bro
>It's just a niche, bro
>Stop thinking the world is against you, bro
What happened to wanting civility? Anyway you're clearly retarded anon, because you didn't even get the most basic of points I was making, and I'm not going to bother reiterating it.

>And who gets to decide that? What if i said that the clown girl was garbage as well? Or is it a
>if i like = good
>if i don't like = bad
No. The clown girl is mid, I just know the reason for its popularity is because of it being clown girl coom.

>No. They're interesting simply because big tits.
Well, then I guess we're just going to disagree on this. However, by your own way of looking at things, there should be no unsuccessful coom artists, when there are in fact plenty.

>Luck
>Again, that's a cop out to not give an actual answer...
Drawing an image that attracts the attention of someone with a bigger following and getting retweeted or whatever
Having your image blessed by the algorithm and pushed towards more people
Having your image, for whatever reason, just suddenly becoming popular for no determinable reason
Having your image shared around on other sites which comes back to your twitter.
Come on anon, you're on here, you should be a creative guy, why should I have to come up with examples of luck for you?

>you're a child and the world is not against you
>Do i have to assume that you never had an actual conversation except with mentally deranged twitter users who can't stop sucking their own dicks?
Are you actually retarded anon? I said it was a childish mindset, I didn't call you a child; it's small difference in wording, but a large difference in tone and meaning. I assume I am actually talking to a child now... A retarded child.

>>6553254
>not coom artist
Oh, you’re a cumbrain then?

>>6553116
That pic is the author of a huge hit drawing his character again. I don't know when that was drawn/posted, but the series has been over for a couple of years now so fans of the series are hungry for scraps. There's more to it than just "literal who drawing generic anime grill getting a bajillion retweets".
You're like the people scratching their head going "Togashi who?? Why does this jabrony have 3 million follows just for posting crops of scribbles??": a clueless dope who lacks critical information.

>>6553307
>>6553324
>buzzwords like luck, niche
Do you not know what niche is? Is that why you're coming across as such a fucking moron? Niche - targeting a particular taste, a particular audience, this should be the most simple and obvious way to of marketing yourself that comes naturally to anyone.
And calling it a buzzword doesn't suddenly make my argument any less valid dumbass.

>I am right though, just so we're clear.
Anytime anyone says something along these lines, you just know you're talking to an insufferable prick. You're right anon, I should just bow out of this conversation.

>>6553327
I'm on twitter to follow artists, of course I'm seeing this shit, regardless of whether or not I want to.
And stones in glass houses anon, you're the one posting these images... That aren't even coom? It's just a girl cooking anon, weak.

I do it for fun (drawn by me)

>>6553332
>no draw tourist
Everytime

>>6553342
>no draw tourist
>Everytime
I never said anything to imply I don't draw (because I do, and am drawing between posts right now). I won't post my work btw, because this discussion had nothing to do with my own art skills, and everything to do with the other person being retarded.

I don't get why you guys gives so much of a shit about the lack of clout on twitter. A slightly attractive woman posts a selfie with tits, and that's just enough to literally BTFO every single one of your works you have done in a year. Don't do it for clout, do it to have your own fun.

>>6553386
No shit, but retards like >>6553354 would deny it.

>>6553386
Pretty much, there's also female artists that post selfies

>>6552864
That's why I'm working hard on my comic, so coomers can draw coom of my recognizable characters so I will always be the one remembered.

>>6553397
Ah, so you're the same dumbass anon, and I can see you're seething because you'll remain an obscure loser perpetually bitching about coom blowing his follower count out of the water.

>would deny it.
Weird, when I even said:
>(in regards to OP's coom popularity) Well obviously first and foremost it's the big tits
>I just know the reason for its popularity is because of it being (clown girl) coom.

You're so pissy you're just making shit up and bringing me up to other anons to whinge. Stop being such a fucking retarded loser.

>>6551320
The coomer aspect of it, don't really care. You're setting yourself up for failure and coomer art spiral if this was a one off thing. If the artist likes to draw shit like that, they won't be disappointed then. Otherwise he's just gonna lose followers and think his art is getting worse, when most of them just wanted erotic shit.
Fanart is made by large artists for a similar purpose desu - growing the audience, having more people interested in their work because they made something about media they already liked.

>>6553504
>coomer art spiral
the what

>>6553614
>Make a funny, sexy pic
>Get loads of followers that like coom
>Make your usual non sexy stuff
>Oh no I'm dropping followers, quick, make another sexy pic
>I have to keep making sexy pics if I want to keep these people interested
Losing followers because you're not making the stuff they like and having some negative psychology associated with that is real. It can happen to coom art, it can happen to meme shit and fanart as well. People need to actually be aware of what happens in those circumstances to not fall for it.

>>6553667
>Make your usual non sexy stuff
>Oh no I'm dropping followers, quick, make another sexy pic
Does this actually happen? Who follows an artist because of a single piece? I always check their gallery before following.

>>6553327
>pic
So clumsy she dropped her ears

>>6553324
>>6553332
>what happened to wanting civility?
>unable to have a simple conversation without attacking the one speaking
If you define luck by things that clearly have nothing to do with it, as in; Managing to attract the attention of someone who will share your stuff, that is clearly not luck anymore but rather being at the mercy of whoever neurons you manage to activate.
As i stated; niche or targeting a peculiar taste has nothing to do with it, it's just a buzzword, a cop out, something so that you don't have to justify or elaborate on something complex because by explaining it you'd strip it of its complexity and show the core of the actual matter; the root of it.
>there should be no unsuccessful coom artists, when there are in fact plenty.
And why is that? Is it that their works aren't clean and simple or catoony enough to appeal to the generic audience thus becoming mediocre and generic or is it the lack of skill to be able to make professional level works for free, extremely peculiar fetishes that have no real audience or simply lack of someone that showers them with "luck"?
>calling it a buzzword doesn't make my argument less valid
I have given you an explanation and example of why the niche or specific taste has practically nothing to do with the matter at hand.
>you're insufferable because you don't agree with me
How is it my fault you are unable to converse?
>>6553329
>more personal attacks
An author of what kind of "niche" exactly?
Shonen + Titty bait.
It is you who rather obfuscates critical information to attack the one speaking.


It seems impossible to have a genuine conversation about anything here because artists here either have to protect their ego by sugarcoating everything with pretty words such as niche or marketing or putting others down even when they're wrong.

Just simply say it like it actually is:
Titties and sex are the only things that sell even if the overall package is bland and mediocre.

>>6553830
Let me further add some things
>Titties and sex are the only things that sell even if the overall package is bland and mediocre.
Especially if the overall package is bland and mediocre or generic and lacking any distinctive features but just appealing to the lowest common denominator: Sex.
A niche or specific taste would imply that it would only appeal to a specific set of people, a minority of a minority as to actually not reach that much attention as all the examples in this thread.
Why claim something hits and appeals to a niche, when in fact it does not matter? That's why i call it a buzzword; a cop out as in avoiding actual honest discussion to not endanger their own position or arguments and it showed how the moment their evasive tactics don't work, they are eager to shift to personal attacks, just to not admit being wrong.

>>6551320
Even without the massive tits she looks cute, besides she's a jester, not a clown

>>6553830
I said I'm ending our conservation faggot, but I will just point out some things:
>what happened to wanting civility?
>unable to have a simple conversation without attacking the one speaking
You sit there and whine about people being rude to you like an overly sensitive bitch, while acting smug and rude. The biggest annoyance is the fact that you constantly rewrite what people say and change it to fit your own narrative:

>you're insufferable because you don't agree with me
Case in point, I didn't say you were insufferable because you don't agree with me, I'm perfectly happy for others to not agree, but writing this:
>I am right though, just so we're clear.
DOES make you insufferable. It's an immediate conversation ender that practically BEGS for the other person to insult you

>And why is that? Is it that their works aren't clean and simple or catoony enough to appeal
What annoys me the most about our conservation is that you seemingly never actually read a word I said. How can you say "why is that?" when that was my entire point of discussion? It was not for me to answer that, BUT YOU, you're the one who makes the claim that coom is a guarantee to twitter clout.
Don't talk with others if you won't actually read or consider what others say anon

>>6553329
>more personal attacks
Not me, but were these you?: >>6553342 >>6553397

>>6553862
>blah blah blah
Nope, you just never understood or actually addressed the argument and instead called it a buzzword and ran around it.
I don't know how many times I said that being 'coom grabs attention in of itself', but you didn't read what I wrote so why should I expect you to read this? (at least without rewriting it to completely change the meaning and then feign indignant outrage)

Anyway, go fuck yourself.

>>6551320
I don't have a shit ton of luck or a bunch of art friends to mooch/network off of. So, yeah.

>>6554380
>"You're an oversensitive bitch while acting smug and rude."
>"You constantly rewrite what people say"
>"I'm so annoyed like stop disagreeing with me i didnt read anything anyway"
Very civil. You are literally projecting emotions on others for the sake of ????
>you never actually addressed the argument
If you would read, you would know how wrong this claim is, but you said you don't read.

I really don't know why you have to be this dishonest and go out of your way so much just to disrupt a conversation on a matter you are clearly emotionally invested in and don't want to admit your wrong.

You're claiming it has to do that works appeal to a "niche", a "specific taste", a subculture maybe, which by the premise of the coom and the dynamics of social media consumption "niche" isn't a factor anymore but rather the appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Appealing to sex isn't a niche but you keep disagreeing.

And all you do is lash out and call names because you can't actually explain yourself.
All i have done is attack what you said and not who you might be based on the voices in my head and my crippling insecurity.
How do words make one insufferable? Just because i said i'm right, which i am and explained countless times and you can't handle it? All you're displaying is your reaction and mental processes to reading words, not my actual behavior.
>were these you
No.

I made the effort to actually talk with you and explore the topic. You don't seem to be interested except to validate your own beliefs, you have made that pretty clear.

Go back to your hugbox or please seek your inevitable suicide, crossdresser.

>>6553830
>An author of what kind of "niche" exactly?
>Shonen + Titty bait.
>It is you who rather obfuscates critical information to attack the one speaking.
You got a pretty clear explanation for why that particular image you posted did well on social media, as well as an example of something that isn't coomer bait also doing very well (much better than anything posted in this thread, in fact). Nothing was obfuscated, and if you feel attacked maybe that's because I hit the nail on the head. You simply don't know the story behind a lot of these pop-offs and so assume it must be some shallow sexual urge being fulfilled instead of any other equally reasonable explanation. Sex sells, but it's not the only thing that sells.

this thread reeks of copium

>>6551433
Borvart is a scat obsessed pedophile futafag

>>6555311
Delusional retard