/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6551119
Anyone can improve at a competent level, just make the time and quit with the excuses

okay and?

They're probably talented

>>6551119
Leonardo da Vinci (1452 – 1519), well known as an artist, inventor, architect, and anatomist, embodies the quintessential “Renaissance man"
people these days are brain dead cant learn more than one subject

>Software engineer
That job is the very definition of standing around looking busy, specially so if you're WFH
I get your point OP but you present it very poorly, in fact, I'd go as far as to say that you did it on purpose

>>6551167
Because all science and engineering back then was elementary school tier. Fucking Lego Technic is more advanced than anything they could come up with.

>>6551150
For the muh talent shitters that use age and etc as a cruch.

>>6551176
it was not elementary school tier at the time

>>6551167
He was also wealthy enough to afford enough fre time and expensive books

>>6551176
They were building Gothic cathedrals, Cannons and Intercontinental Warships back then. Can YOU do that?

>Make time to draw by sleeping less
>Brain fog makes it so that I can't use my time efficiently

This shit is rigged.

>>6551157
something you don’t have

>>6551176
Now I want to see an elementary schooler build a water-powered trip hammer and a crankshaft-driven water pump.

I hate you ganbare idiots so fucking much.

>>6551273
you forgot to add “so fucking much and all of you as well”

>>6551119
>”I can’t improve because im too busy”
>”I don’t have enough time to draw!!!!”
Funnily enough, the few times I lost my job and had the entire day to draw I never could find the motivation to do it (I had enough saving to be safe for like 3 years), I would barely draw half or one hour, and that if I even bothered picking my pencil.
Knowing that I had to waste my entire day at work, and that I only had a few free daily hours to actually draw did wonders for me to start using my time more efficiently. I guess some people need that type of pressure.

>>6551167
Albrecht Durer also published a series of books, The Four Books on Measurement, on geometry because he wanted to use math to construct better sketches. The conchoid of Durer is named after him.

>>6551256
That's the point moron, only people with talent can make it, if you weren't lucky when you were born you'll never make it.

>>6551300
(You) misunderstand; I'm saying (you) don't have talent. Now don't make me repeat myself.

>>6551176
>muh renaissance man
lmao if he was so smart how come he couldnt discover electricity and indoor plumbing.

>>6551184
its not, there's lots of actual medical and scientific literature supporting it, but go off king

>>6551374
Can you tell me why do I have no talent? Am I too old at 22?
>>6551055

>>6551383
Brain damage

>>6551219
these idiots don't actually know anything about circumstances for most of the population back then.

Leonardo was absurdly privileged, and came from a rich family. He studied art, medicine, and science while his peers were literally doing slave labor as peasant workers lmfao

Learning how to draw, even learning how to read and write was exclusively for the upper caste back then.

>>6551386
Be honest

>>6551383
You have too much mental baggage to focus on learning to draw. Get in a better state before committing to this hobby

>>6551383
Here a trick I learned here: If u have to ask then no. It works 100% of the time I tried. Guaranteed result.

>>6551119
I don't even have a job lol

>>6551219
>>6551387
da Vinci's father was only a legal notary from the lower-class, not some nobleman. He learned painting because he started working in a workshop at age 14.

>>6551374
>software engineer who who manages to improve this much in 4 years
>y-you see it’s talent, y-yeah…..
Just say you’re a lazy shitter, retard.

>>6551409
someone already said it, but a SW Engineer is one of those jobs where you spend majority of your time at work doing nothing. Even more so if its WFH.

Compare that with somneone that does construction, works at some fast food place or an Amazon warehouse then i could totally see them improve faster.

So by that metric, yeah, the amount of free time they have can be a form of "talent"

>>6551383
I started at 27 and I am having soooo much fun lol
I studied multiple and wildly different subjects almost every year and just recently picked up art.

Pick up other fields like history or whatever and see where it lands you.
And be sure to exercise

P.S
20's is the MESSIEST time of every person ever.

It's the transition from childhood to adulthood. You are going to make sooooo many mistakes.
You would feel insecure, out of focus, and completely and utterly confused. Especially if your parents lack the skill to handle your ass

The future would get brigther though, just keep on moving, forgive your mistakes, and don't stop

>>6551417
Ill rape and kill you

>>6551252
Sacraficing sleep to "do more" has to be the absolute most retarded sentiment to come out of hustle culture
Those 2 hours of sleep you skipped to grind harder? Guess what idiot now you have to work 6 hours to accomplish the same amount of work you'd otherwise do by getting a proper night of rest
Usually pushed by idiots selling a course, they dont actually do it themselves

>talent isn't real!
Some people just understand and retain certain things better than others. I remember a roommate in college reciting the words that define the law of diminishing returns, but immediately seeking reassurance from another roommate that he didn't need to know the why behind it, implying that even though he memorized the law itself, he had zero understanding of the actual concept. It completely baffled me, because when I'd been exposed to it some time prior, it made total conceptual sense and I could generate as many real world examples and explanations as needed, no wrote memorization required. The same is true with art - some people can copy a few examples, fully understanding them and thus be able to quickly apply the lessons learned to their own pieces. These are the people who seem to improve very rapidly and with little effort, and will "just draw" their way to success. Others might copy the same references with similar accuracy, but when given a blank canvas to draw their own creations, feel stuck and will either draw the same way as before their studies, or maybe try to make a somewhat shittier memorized regurgitation of the studied reference(s). That's not to say that both types can't become great artists, just that the first will have a much easier time and likely not have to cling as tightly to reference material as the second artist.

>>6551454
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>>6551473
Goo goo Gaga ?

>>6551454
Talent is real and so is hardwork

Saying that everything is under your control is saying that everyone below you is lazy
Saying that nothing is in your control is cowardice

But, by all means, none of that trully matters
Not everyone can reach the highscore but everyone can attain great heights with just effort

Anyone who devote their excuses to genes or whatever are the losers who cannot even break lvl 1

>>6551300
Holy cope

>>6551438
Yeah this is true. Rise and grind culture is just how to burn out and waste your youth.

>>6551486
Basically this. Although without hard work even the talented person will not succeed. I personally think it's actually better to have to work a bit for results and develop a work ethic. It's like the "gifted kid theory"; the kids who were gifted often fail as they get older because it came naturally to them but don't actually value or know how to even do hard work and therefore can't do anything with their innate ability.

>>6551417
Uohh cunny

>>6551630
Please don't use that word again until you know how to use it.

Does anybody feel like their drawing skill is fleeting? Like I'll hit a period of improvement, and then seemingly "forget" what I learned and am right back to drawing how I drew years ago. It's really bizarre and upsetting.

>>6551408
Doesn't change the fact that Leonardo was privledged, and studying art was literaly impossible for anyone that was a member of the lower caste to pursue.

Most art from that era was made by aristocrats, nobleman, royalty, or monks. Sculptors were kind of in the middle, and usually a product of masonry guilds, so they were half peasant, half craftsman

>>6551652
>discussion about someone who lived from the 15. to the 16. century
>posts pic made in the 14. century
Oh boy, this is going to be bad.

>so they were half peasant, half craftsman
What do guilds have to do with peasantry? By the way, Leonardo was a member of the Painters' Guild of Florence. And why do painters don't have guilds in the first place? Almost every city had a Guild of Saint Luke in the Netherlands.

>Most art from that era was made by aristocrats, nobleman, royalty, or monks
Wrong.

>Leonardo was privledged
Being a painter at that time required an apprenticeship, he was as privileged as a smith or a carpenter who was able to finish his apprenticeship.

Here's a paper on Antwerp painter’s apprenticeship in Antwerp of the 15. and 16. century: journals.openedition.org/mefrim/6461?lang=it

Apprenticeships for painters already started in the 14th century.
>the earliest preserved source, the founding charter of 1382 of what shall become known as the guild of Saint Luke already mentions apprentices. The charter states that those who had learned the craft elsewhere could become masters by paying 4 guilders. Furthermore, those who had learnt the craft with an Antwerp master were offered 2 guilders discount on the entry fee upon becoming a master. An apprentice paid 2 guilders entry money and 2 guilders upon getting his masters’ title. Masters’ sons could enter freely.

They weren't all super rich guys as they even had a fund for poor members that were sick and couldn't earn their pay.
>In 1538 the Poor relief box (“Armenbus”) was created by a group of enterprising artists, providing (a meagre) relief for ill members and their spouses.
In b4 only the sons of artisans became artisans themselves.
>Between 1543 and 1579 masters’ sons represent 23.7% of the masters’ inscriptions, and 29.7% of the painters’ specifically. After


You have a weird and warped idea of the late medieval and early modern period. You are stupid and uneducated.

thats a tranny right?

>>6551728
>posts a pic made in the 14th century
And this is relevant because....?
I just grabbed an image off google of medieval peasants, of course you hyper fixate on something so trivial in true autistic fashion as if it was some kind of "gotcha" moment

>Oh boy, this is going to be bad
Oh boy, this is gonna be cringe

Not gonna bother addressing anything in that essay of yours but just know that you are psued and don't seem to understand how the english language works

>>6551732
No, retard

>>6551949
sounds like a tranny, or do all STEMfags sound like that?

>someone with a following has the motivation to continue pressing forward
Imagine my shock

>>6552046
If you needed external validation do anything, then you are a miserable failure

>>6551387
>>6551652
>>6551728
you are privileged
so is all with access internet
stop excuses
you can learn anything
yet you dont bother

>>6552122
esl detected. its a third world mentality to think that you can do anything if you have magical internet and other technology.

>>6552119
So I take it that you don't post your work anywhere? Never shown your art to your friends? You don't draw with anyone, or have drawing collaborations?
What do you think "external validation" means

Improve? Alright how do I improve?
>just practice anatomy
But most artists aren't drawing proper anatomy
>you gotta learn the rules to break them!
>most professional artists trace models
>no rules just tools :)
What is the proper brush took setting to use
>its different for everyone teehee
>just experiment and find the truth within :)

Is it true that without talent there is no point in drawing?

>>6551296
Yeah its weird im the most productive and draw a lot when i get home tired from work (especially if i take a 2 hour nap) while on sundays i just laze around playing vidya

>>6552147
retard
anything better than waste time to 4chan
go read book with proper grammer cunt

>>6552173
You really should be taking your own advice

WOW..... is that a hecking... SOFTWARE ENGIRINO?
The busiest, most impossible job in the world?
The most respectable craft of all, that requires an individual to sacrifice his entire life just to have a chance at engineering softerino?

Wow... and done by a woman? A BROWN woman at that?
How does she do it? This is IMPOSSIBLE...

>>6552176
Owari da, sisters.
It's impossibru to keep up.

>>6551119
Why is she wearing a fried egg? Is she stupid?

>>6552174
i read my language than i own not stolen and force onto other

>>6552176
she means she's not received formal training in art but if you just want an excuse to not work hard you should just say so

>>6552119
Strong inner drive is absolutely important, but people are wired to seek external validation.

>>6551728
i've been reading a few books about medieval on mostly generic war stuff so I appreciate this post
are there any recommended books on art during the renaissance? like what factors made it such that's it's a big leap over art made in the years before?

>>6552119
Validation from people is important.

Do you think artists like tasteofchocolit would still post if nobody cared about what they made?

>>6552176
Is this how you’ll justify your perma/beg/ cope?

>>6551304
(You) are also untalented,that's the reason why (you) are posting here

This thread reeks of copium,crabbing, ngmitis and permabegism

And you guys wonder why all of the other boards makes fun of us

>>6551119
same job but Im fucking tired when I get home
When I draw its usually just doodles because I dont have the mental energy to actually know what I have to study to improve

>>6552666
Did I give (you) permission to reply to me you worm?

>>6552190
>>6552646
No reading comprehension.
All I'm saying is her job is not impressive evidence that you can learn while being "too busy". It's a regular job, with regular working hours, nothing too special.

If anything I'm mocking OP for being fascinated at seeing an employed person with a passion for something.

>I can't draw, my body itches
>I can't draw, I gotta eat first
>I can't draw, i need to take a shower
>I can't draw until I do my laundry
>I can't draw until I buy groceries
>I can't draw until I prepare dinner
>I can't draw until I make a schedule
>I can't draw while horny, I gotta fap
>I can't draw now, its the afternoon. I gotta draw in the morning
>I can't draw now, its dark outside.
>I can't draw now, I should be asleep
>I can't draw now, I just woke up.

>>6552699
so a bait

>>6552246
>>6552154
>>6552200
Liking praises =! dependent on it
Caring about internet points would lead to depression

>>6551119
>look up pikat twitter to see finished art
>hong kong flag
Asian genes. Every time.

>>6552770
>look up pikat twitter to see finished art
>see that she worked 4 weeks on that 1 character, still not finished
Asian patience, every time

>>6552772
It took her a month for that?
I understand that original ideas take time but 1 month?

Even if she had work, that's still too slow

isnt wlop or guweiz a software engineer as well?

>>6551562
The only cope is talentfags being dismissive of their privilege.

>>6551119
Guy has clearly references on the screen, copyrighted ones most likely, he's literally stealing from other artists!

>>6552835
Grind 1000 hours before whining about muh talent

>>6552856
Cope, pajeet
AIshit is not going anywhere

>>6552866
Yeah exactly, it is here to stay

>>6552872
>implying that actually went somewhere

>>6551736
You've been destroyed by that anon. There's no shame in admitting defeat.

>>6552875
Yeah it went and surpassed 98% of artists, and now it'll remain where it is, though who knows, maybe it'll surpass 100% one day

>>6552879
More two weeks,amirite?

>>6552881
Sadly it'll be 3 weeks this time

>>6552877
Can't "destroy" someone in an argument if youre so autistic, you completely go off the rails and try to debate something completely irrelevant.

FYI, it wasn't about dates of medieval paintings.

>>6552886
This thread itself is very autistic anyway

>>6551119
>software engineer
>no talent
Pick one

>>6552896
Wah wah wah
Go back to generating AI lmao

>>6552897
Damn generating the AI? That's some meta shit

>>6552740
Yes, fish are often baited by what they cannot understand thanks to their abysmal IQ.

>>6552897
Are you smart for that kinda of a job? Because I know I am not. People are either born with talent or aren't, I'm the talentless one whose job is literally picking trash from house to house because I'm too dumb to do anything else even after a decade of drawing I'm still barely out of /beg/ and fuck your AI

>>6553017
Yeah yeah, whatever
You are literate and have a computer
You are already better than 80% of the world

Now stop making excuses and study something
You don't get to complain about talent if you aren't even grinding.

Hell, maybe you have a talent elsewhere. Go pick up a new one like music or chemistry or what3ever

>>6553034
Why should I listen to a talented fag like you

>>6553043
Bcause you are an inferior gene and nature has decided taht you are worthless

Now die as nature intended
Survival of the fittest baby

>>6553049
I'll die and haunt you forever, your days of being a chad are counted

>>6552896
Kys perma/beg/

>>6551404
Based

>>6551417
good post

More like
>I can't improve because even though I have endless free time and I spend several hours a day grinding fundies and copies, whenever I go to draw an "original work," the results still look like what I drew before the studies, like my brain can't combine the act of drawing to learn and the act of drawing something new into one cohesive thing