/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6544623
I wanna study TB choi’s anatomy

I'm working on some leg anatomy studies and could use some feedback on the gracilis/sartorius area, as well as any problems that are sticking out to people.

>>6544637
here's the reference

I think I'm starting to kind of understand the tensor fascia, but it's still weird to me. Are there any outstanding problems with it?

>>6544909
here are the muscle groups colored in

>>6544623
Ahhh, I hate the flexors and extensors in the forearms. It's like spaghetti just twisting around them. Does anyone actually fully remember that shit?

>>6544637
>>6544638
Ooga booga

>>6544928
ikr
>>6544914
I'm working on forearms right now, the way I approach it (grain of salt) is there are four things to remember:
1) ridge muscles
2) ulna
3) flexors
4) extensors
If you can get those groups memorized then the rest is really not that hard. As far as flexors go, the medial epicondyle is a great landmark since it protrudes and all the flexors originate from it. The most important flexor to remember is probably the pronator teres, since it creates a rhythm on the arm. The flexor carpi radialis and flexor carpi ulnaris aren't hard to remember since their names just describe what they do (flex finger on radial side, flex finger on ulna side) and the palmaris longus is in between them and easy to remember because it fans out like a "palm" tree lol
Ridge muscles are just ECRL and brachioradialis, no problem there, I just remember they snake out from between the bis and tris and insert near the thumb side. The ulna I think of as one of those dino-grabbers that bites on to the cylinder of the epicondyles(so the dino head is the olecranon), it creates a nice border between the flexors and extensors. As far as extensors go I'm memorizing those right now so I don't have any good mnemonics to share, lol, but just like the flexors originate from the medial epicondyle, they originate from the lateral epicondyle, but they're partially covered by the ridge muscles (and they in turn can partially cover the ulna).
man fuck forearms lol
I'm probably wrong about a lot of this so if someone more knowledgeable can correct me please do

>>6544914

>>6544638
Hnnnnnnghfuck

Great General OP. I'll be sure to redline people here periodically.

>>6544637
https://youtu.be/GfIIMJkPXNk

Follow these videos.

>>6546014
yeah man I know how to construct a leg, I'm asking a specific question about the study I did.

>>6544637
>>6546345
if you're gonna trace, might as well do it neatly. It's hard to critique something this scribbly

>>6546346
It's really not. You can clearly see the muscle groups that I've defined. If you don't know that's fine man.

>>6546348
it's important if you want people to comment on your work. I can't even see if you aligned the bones of the knees properly. Being scribbly is just a cover for a lack of knoweldge

>>6544623
nice, finally a good thread idea. Anyone has some resources on drawing eyes?

>>6546350

>>6546350

What's a good way to simplify the pelvis, I've tried a bunch of different ways and I'm still having a hard time with it.

>>6546648
box

>>6546648
Underwear shape

>>6546648
>>6546796
I think the underwear shape is best, but a box >>6546744 could still work, especially for men

>>6546648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiASsVGyG4Y
Looked nifty.

>>6546648
https://e-hentai.org/g/1800529/7605d74a9d/?p=1

>>6544623
Does anyone know of a good way to simplify the torso and shoulders? The way I construct them now suck ass and leads to a lot of mess.

>>6544623
Unless i'm going to draw someone without skin, i don't see the benefits of learning this way.

>>6548472
First off, no one is forcing you. Second, it's good to learn muscles and anatomy because muscle, bones, and fat directly affect the shapes of the body. You don't have to know every muscle fiber, but it's good to know the shape of the major groups.

>>6548484
You can still learn the muscles without drawing every single muscle under the skin. On average, you're not going to be highlighting every muscle and bone of the leg like this >>6546439 when drawing normally. So why go through all the hoops when you can just draw the final result when imagining the rest?

>>6548498
You can’t draw the final result without knowing the anatomy. That’s where your logic goes wrong. Besides, are you a brainlet or something? There isn’t even that much to learn.

>>6548498
You didn't read what i said or you don't have reading comprehension. Sure with some styles you can get away with knowing less but if you wanna draw more realistically than cartoons/anime shows then you're gonna have issues.
anyways, pyw, let's see how good your anatomy is if you're saying you don't need it.

>>6548498
are you one of those anti-construction faggots? I thought we already eradicated your kind?

>>6548500
Unless you want to be a doctor or you want your final result looks like this, then you certainly can. Just looking purely visually at gesture and deconstructing what you see into simple shapes can do more than breaking down every muscle group to their last blood cell. At some it just turns into studying anatomy to procrastination highlighting ever muscle group you can find to avoid drawing.

>>6548560
Nope. You need anatomy to draw living figures.

>>6548567
or course you do. but needing to know every single part of the body isn't necessary to improve at it.

>>6548574
Define what you believe is "too much". I also think going to a Paul Richer level of anatomy is unnecessary, but you should be able to at least stomach Bridgman and Hampton

>>6548579
Too much I feel like is when you stop trying to make an anything appealing, and highlight inner parts of the body more than the outside. The inside becomes the main focus and it looks like skinless horror shows. It's fine but if that's what you're goal is. But if you're constantly studying anatomy to make your figures appealing in a way where the final result looks like this, then I feel like it's a detriment to your learning.

>>6548619
I can get behind this, but I’d caution you to not underestimate how much anatomy you need, especially the bones. Being able to draw bones realistically and elegantly will give your figures an extremely appealing shape. You don’t even need that much knowledge of muscles, but knowing the sweep of the bones is crucial

>>6548627
agreed. and while having obsessive muscle knowledge isn't necessary, having more than average knowledge certainly isn't an issue. you just have to watch out when studying because it could be easy to lose focus on making something appealing.

Any good rules of thumb regarding proportions of the scapula compared to rest of the skeleton?

>>6548299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhIRClkM034

>>6548755
roughly a hand length tall, or 2/3 of the head (about half the thoracic ribcage)

how do you fucking draw people

>>6548784
its over

>>6548782
>half the thoracic ribcage
Seems like he easiest one to follow, thanks

I keep going back to arms and hands, something is wrong I think and I keep resizing and redrawing but cannot fix, I want to fix before I continue.

>>6549118
Not really the right thread for fully costumed figures, you just need a redline. Draw from reference next time.

>>6549183
OK, I thought maybe redline of muscle group would help under costume that's why I asked here. Which general do you recommend I move to?

>Draw from reference next time.
True, I have bad habit of making drawing first and then trying to find reference, that's why my reference never 100% accurate but also some of his armor I don't know how to find reference for in perspective either maybe that is wrong too, idk.

>>6549189
>>>/beg/

>>6549118
learn perspective

>>6549191
>>6549198
Okay thank you

sauce??

>>6549261
BBQ

>>6548784
do muscle studies along side your gesture drawings
work on drawing all the head perspectives(i dont know if this is a good image or not im just picking from my reference folder)

>>6548784
>>6549261
>>6549118
>didn't read the OP
take it to /beg/

>>6544623
I feel like something is missing here

>>6549618
*gashunk*

>>6549621
oh, yeah that makes sense.

>>6549655
nta but you also kind of melded the lat and serratus

does anyone has this blundle?

https://kaycem.gumroad.com/l/2022resources?layout=profile

Looks very useful

>>6544623
Curious anon here.How do you all study anatomy? Just autistically copying all of the muscles and bones? By memorizing everything? Always got confused by that...

>>6549621
missin quite a bit

>>6550249
simple shape -> form/perspective, know the function so you know when to squash and when to stretch, know the insertion and origin point. Related groups can become a single shape when starting out (forearm extensors/flexors/ridge muscles, scapular muscles, etc)

what is an easy and simplified way to start drawing hands for a beginner?

>>6550913
look at your hand and fill pages of your sketchbook

>>6550913
Boxes and cylinders

>>6550913
Draw the palm and then the general shape of the fingers, then define the fingers. i like to include the muscles in the palm for the thumb to give it more dimension

>>6550913
>>6550938
copy the Morpho hand book. It's extremely good, better than Bridgman's and Hogarth's books. He also gives you the tools to construct hands in any position, from any angle

>>6550807
Clear and simple,thanks anon! Now it's starting to make some sense to me

>>6551244
Morpho book?

Anyone have a good 3D model to use for anatomy ref?

>>6551349
>good 3D model
proko anatomy

>>6551329
No, the Morpho hand book. Morpho is a whole series of anatomy books, and there’s one on hands and feet, which is extremely useful. I’ve copied the whole thing once, and I plan to go back for many times more

i cant into foreshortened arms

>>6551349
https://ecorche.anatomy4sculptors.com/figure-and-torso/muscle-man

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/form-gesture-anatomy-course-simplified-ecorche-da380ff2ef42414a8eeebc9d49db5f71

>>6551762
Is there a female version?

>>6551680
Upper arms or forearms?

>>6551762
These are excellent, thanks so much bro! Just what I needed.

>>6544623
Someone here studied Anatomy for artists?
I want to know how you did it

>>6552461
i haven't studied it but i find people recommend books based on hearsay rather than experience. that and anatomy for sculptors i find to be reference manuals/encyclopedias and not something you should be learning to draw from. they're a sanity check when you can't quite remember something or need more reference. artistic anatomy books and lessons are what you should be learning to draw from.

knowledge of anatomy and knowledge of how to draw anatomy aren't the same thing. for instance, scott eaton anatomy is imo the best video lecture on anatomy but it's not a drawing course. he familiarizes you with all the important landmarks of bones/muscles and you do ecorches, but it's not a drawing course. after the eaton course, you can go through bridgman or whoever and understand the artistic choices being made.

>>6552486
That makes a lot of sense to me,thank you for actually giving me a answer about this book. Some anons just said that is good without elaborating further

anyone have advice for learning the pelvis area?

>>6552486
Also,is Stonehouse the same thing as this book or really shows you how to learn anatomy? Just curious because I don't see discussions on anatomy around here often so... This thread is a blessing

>>6552539
stonehouse is a meme book that people who don't draw hyped up as a magical resource because it didn't have an english translation. all the best anatomy resources already exist in the west and the words are the least important parts of the books. people hype up books thinking they're going to be some magical asian secret to learn to draw without putting in the hard work.

>>6552556
Rinotuna's course is the new stonehouse

>>6552556
>english translation came in 2020
anon...

>>6552556
>meme
didn't read past this word

>>6552556
>meme book
>recommended on op

>>6552518
what do you want out of studying it? the anatomy seems fine but line quality kinda scratchy. the perspective on some of your boxes and cylinders/ellipses are suspect, bottom left and top right. i think you're at the point of diminishing returns until you apply this to finished pieces.

>>6552573
i didn't read the op. i would recommend categorizing the books and dropping stonehouse because it's shit, rough idea

in no order, try out different approaches to see what works for you. what you like or don't like now, you might come back in a few years and appreciate more
>intro to figure drawing and anatomy
Figure Drawing for Artists - Steve Huston
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention - Michael Hampton
>artistic anatomy
Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life - George Bridgman
Human Anatomy for Artists - Eliot Goldfinger
Morpho: Anatomy for Artists - Michel Lauricella
Figure Drawing for All It's Worth, Drawing the Head and Hands - Andrew Loomis
>anatomy reference
Artistic Anatomy - Paul Richer
Atlas of Human Anatomy - Peck
Anatomy for Sculptors - Sandis Kondrats and Uldis Zarins
>video courses
Scott Eaton, Rey Bustos

http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Topology

>>6552697
That's a really good image damn.

>>6552575
Nta but what is diminishing returns?

>>6552750
google it, esl/child

>>6552750
>The law of diminishing returns is an principle stating that as investment in a particular area increases, the rate of profit from that investment, after a certain point, cannot continue to increase if other variables remain at a constant

tl;dr: You'll stagnate the more you grind only one thing

>>6552767
thanks bro
>>6552756
retard

>>6552575
i noticed i draw them really flatly especially in clothed figures, and that i have a hard time drawing in the pelvis mass over reference pictures. so i don't think i have a good understanding of the shape. i'll try what you said.

what are the prerequisite to learn anatomy? perspective? observational skills?

>>6552767
don't spoonfeed basic knowledge, it's not helpful
people need to be self sufficient enough to google simple phrases

>>6553189
None. Anatomy is supposed to help you. It's not Calculus, where you need algebra to understand it.

Think of drawing as several infinite buckets that you have to fill. There's no way you'll be able to fill the "construction" bucket or the "gesture" bucket completely, before filling the anatomy bucket. Just pour into all of them at once.

>>6553651
Anatomy just helps tremendously. I don't feel as miserable as I used to when I was trying to draw figures without understanding what I actually draw. I still don't understand many things but it just feels easier.

>>6552556
>>6552623
OP here, I regularly reference stonehouse and find it very useful.

>>6552556
>>6552623
>>6553899
I'm >>6552539
Thanks for the answers anons.Your mileage can vary in this case I guess... .Going to check this book anyway some time and the other books listed by the other anon. Also question for the OP anon,is the book for reference on anatomy or learning about it?

>>6554162
Both
I have both Stonehouse and Anatomy for Sculptors and desu I like SH a lot more. It's cheaper too.

>>6554589
Sounds about right,thanks for actually giving a response anon!

Bumping because this thread is pure gold

>>6553651
>None.
>just learn anatomy bro
lmao

>>6555429
Nice work,did you drew this?

>>6551762
Pure gold,thanks anon

>>6544623
What's your favorite muscle? For me it's the medius.

>>6551762

>>6556761
It's my favorite too
>>6556819
What a view

>>6556819
imagine the smell

>>6544909
Yes the TFL gets fat when sitting, fat tear drop. Look up Ron Lemen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-FQvO7Y6Ik

>>6557033
Do I have to?

>>6557272
idk why Ron Lemen isnt more shilled here, he is great and even his shitty youtube videos trump many paid courses

>>6557327
Ya, he is a proper master. The 2 FX magazines help more then hampton does. Scott Breton also another hidden gem.

Learning anatomy has made my figure drawings extremely stiff. Any solutions for this?

>>6556819
Obscur et froncé comme un œillet violet
Il respire, humblement tapi parmi la mousse
Humide encor d’amour qui suit la fuite douce
Des Fesses blanches jusqu’au cœur de son ourlet.

Des filaments pareils à des larmes de lait
Ont pleuré, sous le vent cruel qui les repousse,
À travers de petits caillots de marne rousse
Pour s’aller perdre où la pente les appelait.

Mon Rêve s’aboucha souvent à sa ventouse ;
Mon âme, du coït matériel jalouse,
En fit son larmier fauve et son nid de sanglots.

C’est l’olive pâmée, et la flûte câline,
C’est le tube où descend la céleste praline :
Chanaan féminin dans les moiteurs enclos !

>>6557392
>french

>>6557363
Pyw?
Don't just paste the muscles on a frame, they flow from one into another, try and find the flow.

>>6557289
do you wanna get gud????

>>6557432
Y-yes...

Some practice from today and yesterday

>>6557448

>>6557448
>>6557453
Nice,are these yellow dots fat?

>>6551455
>>6551244
any one has Morpho Hands and Feet in good quality? I was able only to find low res shitty pdf

>>6557448
flip your canvas as you draw. look up the shortcut or bind one because you got a lean and uneven proportions

>>6557489
Yup, fat pads
>>6557550
Unfortunately, I already flip my canvas pretty often and I still have problems with unevenness. I think I'll start doing some sight size exercises

>>6557584
pay attention to your head. make sure it's vertical and pay extra attention that you're not cocking your head in one direction to check things. it's a habit a lot of artists have, i know i have to constantly check myself on it as i tilt my head left often

>>6557541
Have you checked ehentai or the artbook thread?

>>6557448
>>6557453
nice anon

>>6555429
the image you posted is not that advanced. If you learned only one part a day, you'll finish in a month. Don't shy away from things that intimidate you

>>6544623
I'm afraid of learning muscles and anatomy,it seems to be very complicated
How I even get started?

>>6557735
armpit fetish and work from there

>>6557852

>>6557735
>How I even get started?
https://youtu.be/pDgyQjNFVQk

>>6557735
play wack-a-bone and poke-a-muscle for an hour first to learn the names and then move to books and videos, that way when somebody says sternocleidomastoid in a video or tutorial you won't be lost.

>>6557925
that's the thing that goes from the collarbone to under the jaw, right?

>>6557934
you're correct, though from the inside it actually looks like this but we don't care about what we can't see.

>>6557852
>>6557906
>>6557925
>>6557934
>>6557946

>>6557946
Huh, it's a lot flatter than I imagined

>>6552556
His video course is comfy.

>>6557906
Damn, Poko looks like THAT

>>6557453
DAT ASS

>>6557906
>>6557925
>>6558196
So...I have to memorize everything?

>>6558492
People think artists are dumb. If you start talking about the humeral trochlea and the extensor carpi radialis longus they'll think you're smart.

>>6558552
I'm trying not to get more confused than I am already
Stick with Proko I guess?

>>6558560
yes

>>6558196
It really isn't that difficult to remember. Now drawing all that shit, that's pretty tricky.

What is more important, bones or muscles?

>>6558695
aestuosi pedes ofcourse.

>>6558694
Nta how do you simplify?

please make this a permanent general

>>6558778
Yes,along with the figure drawing one

>>6558778
>>6558849
bump

Bump

>>6558695
Bone…r

>>6544638
Fucking disgusting tranny

>>6558695
I would say bones just because having proper proportions are the most glaring mistake people will notice. However bones muscle AND fat are all important to know to make a pleasing figure.

not sure what is completely wrong, i need to do more anatomy studies

>>6559453
You could try using an AI to check it for you

>>6559456
GTFO here shitter

>>6559465
Then try blender, csp, design doll. no rules just tools. learn to check your own mistakes, no one will hold your hand forever in your art journey

bump

>>6559633
why would you bump a 2 hour on /ic/

>>6559453
>anatomy studies
No, you need to do line, shape, and form studies. Anatomy comes later.

>>6559675
Thank you. I'll make sure to practice them more. Is there anything else that I should be doing besides those?

>>6559915
Nta but IMO do the david finch roadmap

>>6560225
Gotcha, thank you again, anon

bump

doing an armpit anatomy study on this piece, need someone to check my work
sauce is kinnikupawa on twitter
(1/2)

>>6561072
Orange = triceps
green = biceps
magenta = delts
red = pectoralis
dark blue = teres major
blue = latissimus dorsi
green = serratus anterior
yellow = external oblique
purple = rectus abdominus

Is this correct? Potential problems/questions:
>pectoralis: am I right in that the front of the pec would obscure the front delt in this view?
>latissimus dorsi: I thought it would go behind the tricep? am I wrong? And would it cover that whole area in the front? Where is the ribcage?
>axillary fossa: do I have it right where there are no muscles here?

>>6559477
but then they'll be unable to continue doing "studies" and avoid actually making something.

>>6557272
>>6557327
Can confirm I took Ron Lemens anatomy of clothing class on CGMA and it's really good content. My only problem with him is his critiques are a bit short and to the point but without any exposition to help contextualize.

>>6556819
Bruh

>>6561072
>>6561077
I might be 100% wrong on this but the teres major and minor are absurdly large and the lat is absurdly small. Much of the axillary makeup really depends on how you interpret the muscle to the right of the tricep to be. it's incredibly confusing because if you consider it the bicep, then where's the coracobrachialis? It's missing from the drawing and even in non muscular women you can kind of see it as it helps bridge the gap between the pec and the bicep

>>6561220
anon you replied to here
I think the thing you have listed as the teres minor is the teres major, and the teres major is the part of the latisssimus that isn't overlapping the serratus, and the part you have listed as latissimus is the part that covers the serratus. So I think the confusion is that there's two "sections" to the latissimus.

>>6561242
how could it be the teres major if its on the deltoid side of the tricep? I'm interpreting the V shape of the tricep as the insertion point, so it doesn't make sense to me that your dark blue portion is the teres major. It could be the case that they grouped both the lat and the teres major together into one shape and made no marks to separate the two

>>6561072
>>6561077
why would you do an anatomy study on such a stylized piece?
the pec would block the collar bone from this angle on a chick this buff, im quite sure you wouldnt even see the bicep from this angle and she has random muscle definition all over the place. Which isnt a bad thing because the piece has appel but it's terrible for studying anatomy

>>6561300

does anyone here bought the proko anatomy? if so, can you share the ebooks?

>>6557448
Such good work anon. Had to use it for ref. Hope mine's not too stiff

>>6561675
you should get real ref. some of those lines and shading are nonsense for muscle insertions how you've rendered. stuff like the deltoids, pecs, scm, collarbones, suprasternal notch don't really look great also this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supraclavicular_fossa.. the 6th rib and costal cartilage are important for separating the chest and abs, the abs don't just start. i highly recommend scott eaton's video courrse

I need feet resources, not the fetish kind. I just am tired of drawing ankles and above

>>6561712
Bump for this, except, I want fetish shit.

>>6561300
You said it yourself, because it's appealing. Not only do I want to learn anatomy but I want to learn how other artists selectively ignore it for appeal.

This seems like a good place to ask
How do you portray light musculature with linework? Hard lines for abs for example look like shit

>>6561992
broken/feathered lines, see >>6561072

bump

>>6561997
>light

>>6556819
His asshole is pretty loose
Like mine when I was a 16 yo coomer (but for ass)
Also thanks to that model I put myself to learn the internal and external anal sphincters

>>6548784
Soul

I can't really visualize how the scapula on the raised arm would look in the reference. Could someone redline my skeleton?
>>6561675
That's fantastic, thanks anon.

>>6562744
more broken and more feathered

>>6563164
I think it would be something like this. If you put your hand on your serratus, towards your back, and make the pose, you can feel your scapula pushing out your lat and teres major to make that bulge that you see in the musculature near the left breast. I could be wrong though.

>>6563164
this is excellent, what would be your top anatomy/figure resource you would reccomend?

>>6563212
Thanks
>>6563226
Anatomy for sculptors

Is there a good resource focusing on portrait refs? It’s not anatomy in the purest sense, but I am having some trouble keeping consistent proportions with angles.

I know, Loomis, but I want to use some refs as well.

Bump

>>6563625
tyvm! i've always heard good things but now i'll actually read this, would you recommend redrawing the book or how did you implement it into your studies?

>>6564513
It's not super in-depth but I think that's good thing for artists. It also doesn't have a lot of text and mostly uses visuals to explain concepts which I like. It has four sections and after each there are a few pages filled with pictures of models that show off that particular body part, I'd suggest drawing the diagrams and then applying that info to the pictures of the models. That's what I'm doing at least.

can someone breakdown this back anatomy? i'm currently try to learning back muscle and i don't know where is the shoulder blade location. is this trapezius hide a line of shoulderblade? im too retard

>>6564674
it's right there clean as day.

this isn't a request thread. do a study of what you think things are, then compare with real pictures. if you really can't tell then post here. put in the work yourself, retard

>>6564679
It's fine, backs are hard and he's asking a specific question.
>>6564674
Look for where the trapezius (red) gets bunched up, it sits along the top of the scapula. From there it should be easy to find.
Notice how there's a circular area (in purple) representing the surface scapular muscles (from top to bottom: infraspinatus, teres minor, teres major). The muscles themselves don't make a circle, but a circular rhythm is created by the trapezius overlapping a corner of the scapula, the deltoid (orange) overlapping the opposite corner, and the latissimus (in yellow) overlapping the bottom. Notice also that even though the latissimus covers the whole back like a cape, two triangular rhythms are created because the lumbar aponeurosis is stretched thin against the erector spinae (green). You may also see the external obliques from behind. Notice the seventh cervical vertibrae in the middle of the trapezius, as well as the acromion process above the humeral joint.
Note that I could be wrong and you should take this with a grain of salt, if any anons want to correct me. I'm learning too.
>>6544637
>>6546346
>>6546350
>>6546439
Speaking of which, still waiting on a response to this.

How am I supposed to use morpho? I dont get why he has one big book and then a bunch of smaller books that cover the same shit as the big one just broken up. Should I read the big book first? Then what will I gain from reading the other ones when they cover the same topic? Or do I just read the smaller ones and ignore the big book? I just want to pick one I can study over and over again, perhaps I had best seek elsewhere?

>>6565269
The small ones have different drawings in them, they go more in depth. Start with the big one. Simplified Forms and Hands and Feet are my favorite little ones.

>>6549618
Serratus Anterior?

>>6565314
I liked your posts anon,how did you got started with anatomy?

>>6565118
>backs are hard and he's asking a specific question.
It was hardly specific question

>>6544626
same here, i really want to feel her forms ;)

Can someone check if I did the attachment of the lats correctly?
>>6565316
Just picking up random stuff from here and there, I think the first anatomy related video I watched was one of Prokos. I only recently decided to go through an anatomy book cover to cover.

>>6565430
I see,so in this picture,you're trying to rebuild the torso?

>>6565293
Yeah, I've since remembered it. Right now, I have issues remembering muscles of the upper leg.

>>6565314
I really like how clean your work is. Everything reads well.

>>6544623
A question everyone here,What was the hardest muscle/bone to study for you?

>>6565448
Just drawing the parts I'm practicing.
>>6565720
Scapula and pelvis, still strugling with the latter

Tips for drawing arms on overly muscular men, my torsos and pelvis look ok but I can never get the forearm muscles to look right and its necessary for the elbow to mostly disappear at many angles on a large arm which can be tricky to draw right.

>>6565734
if you don't post your drawings, you can't be helped. there's no actionable advice to give of what you want and what you end up drawing

>>6565737
well its just highly nsfw, i was looking for a reference pack of bodybuilders on gumroad or something similar.

>>6565739
Dude this is literally a nsfw board. Don't post your work I don't give a fuck, but if you're shy about sharing people can't help you.

why is the triceps on the right so long compared to the one on the left

>>6566297
It's the medial and the long head.

>>6566297
>>6566360
Oh I misunderstood. The model has long arms.

>>6566297
It's not any longer you're just seeing more of it. Normally, the deltoids hide a chunk of the triceps

>>6566536
Nice work! I think you forgot the coracobrachialis, though.

>>6544623
what am I supposed to do when learning anatomy? what muscle groups should I pick first and what do when studying anatomy?

>>6566732
also how do I memorize everything?

>>6566660
Didn't know it existed until you mentioned it. Is pic related where it's located?

>>6566732
proko anatomy

>>6566760
alright,going to check out
also,studying muscles from pics helps too? like trying to identify them

>>6566757
Yes. Think of it as a small wedge that dives between biceps and triceps. From the front, it is in front of teres major/latissimus dorsi (which are in front of triceps).

>>6566763
>studying muscles from pics helps too? like trying to identify them
yes, proko does that
>learning anatomy?
you know perspective at least, right?

>>6566766
A mnemonic device to remember the layering of the muscles from back to front:
"Try to let corbie peck"
(corbie is Scotch for crow)
TRIceps, TERes, LATissimus, CORacobrachialis, BIceps, PECtoralis
I learned this from Richard G. Hatton's book (from 1904!). Very helpful book, and still in print from Dover Publications.

>>6566768
yeah
just very confused by muscles and bones, how they work and shit,thanks for the recommendation anon

>>6566766
>>6566771
Neato thanks

>>6544623
the best general thread,make this a regular one

>>6566768
why is he placing the deltoid insertion so far to the right? I thought it was inserted between the biceps brachi and the other bicep?.

Hey guys, how would you draw the pelvis here? I'm struggling a bit.

>>6567332
you give a draw first. if you can't find landmarks on there you know already then you shouldn't even be trying to draw that pose. it's not really a useful pose i'd want to draw and i don't think you have a reason to either. construct what you can and the pelvis goes in as the last puzzle piece. it's really not important compared to constructing limbs and the torso.

>>6567369
Here how I would do it.

>>6567332
Sometimes you have to locate the anatomical landmarks in reference to other forms. For instance, the point at which her left leg (the one with her hand on it) emerges in the front is on a level with the anterior INFERIOR iliac spine. Find it on a labeled diagram of the pelvis. That point on the pelvis is the origin of the Rectus Femoris muscle. A little above that point is the anterior SUPERIOR iliac spine (or ASIS), which is an important landmark that usually shows through the skin. It's hard to see in this image, but would be a little to the left and upwards of the aforementioned point at which the leg seems to attach to the front of the body. You can see a slight oblique line leading to it; this is the tendon of the sartorius muscle, which originates at ASIS and spirals down to the inner side of the lower leg just below the knee. If you conceive of the pelvis as a box form, the top of the front plane of that box (and thus the tilt of the pelvis) can be found by drawing a line through the two ASIS points.

>>6567403
Well that was really helpful, thanks. A detail though, the little bump we see at the beginning of the thigh, could it be the fascia lata tensor?

>>6567413
The tensor fascia lata isn't visible in this photo. Although it originates at the ASIS (like sartorius), it descends obliquely outwards and backwards to just in front of, and below, the greater trochanter of the femur. In this photo it is covered by the hand.

>>6565720
>bone
Pelvis
>muscle
forearm extensors

>>6565324
>>6565324
A general question would be "how do I draw backs??" or "do a paintover of this back for me pls", he asked two questions: one was asking for a breakdown of back anatomy (which I agree is too general of a question) but the other one was how to identify the scapula on the back, which is specific enough for the purposes of this thread.

>>6567514
questions should always come with an attempt/drawing of someone's work. zoomers want everything spoonfed to them without trying. if they tried, they could reference a real resource and find their errors. not enough people are self sufficient. if you help everyone then it just becomes a festival of people begging and not doing work themselves.

>>6567545
keep crying

>>6567545
>nooooooo don't give any hints,you are spoonfeeding them!!
>so?
>just be a stuck up cunt,always works
what are you afraid of anon?
competition?

>>6567395
Can someone confirm me if it's right or wrong?

>>6568056
It's on the right path

>>6568062
Would it be possible to see how it could be better? With redline or anything.

keep up the great job anons

>>6567332
I have to stress that I'm not an expert on lower body anatomy, but I think it's something like this. Also check out this guys 3D models, real good to visualize where the skeleton is in the body
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nbYx2

>>6568225
Thanks man that's really nice of you. We arrived at the same result more or less so I'm reassured.

>>6568071
>>6568062 here,sorry for not providing a redline because phoneposting
But >>6568225 got it right
Keep up you two

>>6568052
>hey guys i have a question
>>ok, show us what you've tried so we can give you better help
>noooooooo stop being a stuck up cunt
i'm happy to help if someone has put in work to try understanding. it's a waste of everyone's time when someone asks questions without trying themselves. posting your work should not be controversial in a troubleshooting general

>>6568560
In this case is understandable,I was referring more to a little hints. Can't say much about redlines since I suck at it

Every fundamental needs its own permanent general, that way people can just have those threads open and forget about the rest of this board, never needing to browse the catalog again.

>>6569436
I want this thread and the figure drawing one to be permanent,anons forget that not everyone here is a /beg/

>>6569701
this is a good start, /ic/ can heal like this

Hey guys me again, I tried to figure out the pelvis here (that was tough).
Could you tell me if I'm in the right?

>>6569792
Agreed, seeing those threads receiving a lot of replies and work makes me smile
Someone make a new thread when this one reach the bump limit, let's keep this going

bump~

>>6569878
Looks OK to me

バンプ

bump

So if I understand correctly female pelvises are covered by additional layer of fat so that's why they are not that visible or might not even be visible at all. Especially on the sides, compared to male ones.

>>6572279
Well, yes and no. There's two areas in the pelvis that are -except in extreme cases- always subcutaneous : the anterior superior iliac spine and the sacrum.
You deleted the pic, so I can't see what you're talking about but women tend to gather fat on outer thigh enhancing the hips and giving them a "pear" shape.

>>6572476
the pic was a lizard man with a fu-man-chu saying something in russian

>>6572566
You weren't supposed to point that out

>>6572910
the holy grail

>>6572910
Why is the pussy so low? is this really how it is?

>>6573325
Seconding the question (I have never seen a vagina).

>>6572910
Also, I just noticed the anus exit. I'm pretty sure they are not that far back

bump desu

>>6573361
>>6573347
>>6573325
>>6572910
Anyone?

>>6573325
Yes.

>>6573325
Yes it's lower than what you'd expect.
>source: reddit AMAs

>>6573325
Scratch sex, have you never seen hentai or a porno before?

>>6572476
I guess it really depends on a person and his/her muscles/fat. Thin models have more visible bones.
It might sound stupid but I had a hard time understanding the fact that bones don't vary that much.

Confused about the greater trochanter. Is it always represented by a bulge on the thigh, or if a model is thick enough, is it represented by a divot? I'm finding conflicting info.
>is my image correct?

>>6576334

>>6576336
>>/ic/thread/S4044840#p4048554
this is an example of what I'm talking about where the bulge is probably not the trochanter (so what is it? Vastus L.?)

>>6576334
Here and especially here >>6576337 the bulge you see is not caused by the trochanter. Women can have a layer of fat on the outer thighs called saddle bags, this is what you see.
Greater trochanter helps creating wide hips but it doesn't give a bulge like that. It can actually causes a slight depression (locally) because the gluteus medius is attached to it.

>>6576353
I see; would you mind doing a quick paintover on >>6576336 so I can see where the trochanter is?

>>6576374

>>6572910
fuck, new fetish acquired

>>6576416
Which is?

>>6576416
Shiny butthole.

>>6576411
Thanks
In the bottom model on the right, it kind of looks like the trochanter is once again pushing out the bump, am I seeing it wrong or is there something specific about the pose that makes it so? This is very helpful btw.

>>6576464
From the front view, even for a skinny girl or man, you won't be able to clearly see the trochanter as it is partially hidden by the fascia lata tensor.
What you're seeing is either still fat pads, or muscles, or a mix.
The only time the trochanter can create a "bulge" is in poses like the one where I didn't draw anything because the pelvis is tilted and create a slope that goes toward the trochanter.

>>6576464
Also, keep in mind that the trochanter still wildly contributes to create a feminine shape, but it's more because of all the muscles and fat that build around it than the trochanter itself.

if only someone could make a high quality 3D model that could be moved, my time spent learning anatomy would be divided by 10. Is it impossible to do?

Can someone check my work?

>>6579186

>>6579186
>>6579189
post them in the same image side by side, you don't need two posts for this.

you simplified the shapes to the point they're useless and don't really correspond to the muscles that are there anymore.

>>6579261
Simplified forms aren't useless; quite the opposite

>>6557852
based

Arm bone exercise

>>6580407
Forgot pic

do i really need to know the bone structure or could i just grind drawing the muscles?

>>6580417
You can definitely just do the muscle shapes, but personally, knowing the bones helps me keep the muscles in the correct place and in proportion

>>6580417
It helps me to know what the attachment points are. Simple bones really aren't hard to draw, the most complicated area for me is the armpit/shoulder girdle. And fuck drawing the pelvis.
>>6580410
>>6580407
Nice, morpho?

>>6581154
>>6581154
>>6581154
>>6581154

new thread

>>6580410
how long

>>6576336
amemiya luna??