/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Hello, I have the problem of having drawn in my shitty art style for years to the point that I find it difficult drawing from life properly. Any tips? I'm trying to get rid of my ingrained bad shape design and add more natural shapes/form to my personal art, alongside master shapes, form and 3d space as the first fundie.

>>6540896
The reference btw, drew it on the spot from life.

How do I properly portray her dress and the beam charge?

I'm going to start doing the line art, before that, what do you think? does this look good to you? correct me pls

>>6540896
yeah i have 3 tips

take a bigger piece of paper and use these vanishing points for WHOLE item, not bottom

also use a ruler for horizon and lines leading to vanishing points because you obviously can't freehand it, no worries it'll be ok

draw them fucking straight lines with whole arm, and try changing drawing position/grip because writing grip is for dinner table tier fine details or tablet without display

good luck

trying to get comfortable with sketching digitally small brush + variable flow gives me the closer feeling to pen + paper.
What settings overall do you guys use for sketching digitally?

>>6540896
Drop and give me 20 ellipses in various perspectives, soldier!

But seriously. A front facing circle can be easily squared. This square will follow the same rules of perspective like any other and you can use it to give yourself indicators of how fast the ellipse would have to bend. Since the middle of the square has to touch the circles edge, said square can be used to draw an ellipse in any perspective. You could try drawing 2 vanishing points and making various squares with ellipses inside of them. Expand the ellipse to make a cylinder or cone.

Also the further up you go, it seems like you stop relying on the vanishing points as much. Having the vanishing point so close and a figure this large makes the perspective distorted and may be fucking with your brain.

How do you into clothing and folds?

>>6540877
i fucking love these chikens

>>6540896
Why the fuck did you think linear perspective was appropriate here?

anyone know of a good resource for finding references to draw gestures of?

>>6541079
quickposes.com/en

>>6540906
biggest thing to me is the position/size of the legs
i'm not sure if youve got a layer hidden that has hips drawn or anything, but I don't see how legs could connect to hips that are connected to that torso. drawing them even though they wont be visible will still help with limb placement

I'm out of the honeymoon period with grinding, I think. Need to start drawing more shit for my own enjoyment, but I worry so much that it will look like ass... Also resizing for 1000p width kills how it looks (θ).
>>6540883
Based Loomis student.
>>6540901
What you have so far seems fine for the image and your level. Looks consistent.
>>6540906
SOVL. Her anatomy is pretty fucked but the rest? Good job, fren.
>>6540966
Is your level closer to prebeg or int? I can't give you advice if I don't know where you're starting.

>>6541265
Please put that sword in a scabbard.

Showed this to a girl and she told me "oh, it's not that good"
Fuck I'm not showing shit to anyone anymore

>>6541273
That's kinda brutal by her, sorry anon.
That said, since this is /ic/, I'm gonna say grind more fundies. The road thickens before it turns, which is not what you want out of this

>>6541273
Femoids are trash

anyone could correct this?

>>6540877

>>6541203
Nice pussy anon

>>6541286

i hate it

>>6541203

>proud of the portrait

it's the worst thing on that image

>>6541273
and what were you expecting, praise, critic? Don't be a grumpy fart shake it off and get better.

Something really triggers my autism when people post their entire page of sketches, and it's filled with writing, smiley faces, or other silly timewasting. Feels like you're just wasting time instead of drawing at best or trying to come off looking casual for anons on here or for your own sake.

>>6541265
Technique et al is great.
>>6541273
That was mean of her but no worse than anything said on /ic/. Study the fundies (Keys to Drawing) and maybe later check out Drawing and Sketching Objects and Environments by Scott Robertson.
>>6541283
I'll give it a try later, fren.
>>6541286
Didn't you post this in the last thread? Skin is weirdly shiny and canvas could be half the size but solid study.
>>6541318
Can you give me advice on improvments? I spent a long time on it, but the left eye for example I know is fucked up.
>>6541339
>other silly timewasting
I do it because it's fun. You're having fun when you draw, right, anon?

>>6541355
>I do it because it's fun. You're having fun when you draw, right, anon?
I do, perhaps it stems from self-hate because I did that stuff when I was prebeg. Nowadays I just draw and that's fun enough on it's own for me.

I am trying to get rim lighting for this. Yet I keep hitting the wrong notes. Can I have some guidance please?

>>6541283
eyesockets have different orientation fro m the head

>>6541265
good, but looks flat in some places the left glove for example. How to fix it, I don't know I'm beg, but a long time ago I heard someone say on a lecture about shading "don't be afraid of darker and saturated values" your work reminded me about that so maybe a little telling I guess.

>>6541376
ty man

Holy FUCK
I hate this old cunt who keeps showing up on line of action.
I like drawing men, but this old cunt is wrinkly and DIAMOND HARD in every picture
boomer probably fetishized young people drawing him
Disgusting cunt

>>6541362
>>6541355
Not calling you a prebeg, by the way. Just saying I did that stuff when prebeg.

>>6541390
dude chill tf down and post your men

im having somewhat difficult time understanding shading colors in graphite, especially in darker areas. for example in this image the darker edges of the butterfly. within my drawing the darker areas are very dark - there's no depth to dark, but in this image you can distinctively see that within the dark there are some lighter dark but still dark. is it just be move consistent in shading and just shade lighter before covering the darkest areas?

la creatura

TAKE THAT! MY OWN COOL MANGA SCENE! You like it?

But, how could I improve the scene I wonder? Besides shading, I'll do that later. Maybe centering the girl more.
I have no clue how to do a background when it's already filled to the brim with characters, I think it would lose all clarity.
The girl and the robot are as well drawn as they can be.
Hmm. Yeah how could this be better?
At any rate I'm content with this style, I could do like 20 pages like this, call it a chapter and publish it somewhere.. probably WordPress since this definitely isn't meeting Webtoons standards.

Some upper back anatomy practice

>>6541283
Welp, ninja'd by >>6541376 because I had dinner.
>>6541372
Man I don't get the obsese Toriel thing. My advice is looking at how rim lighting looks on real people. I don't actually see anything crazy wrong the lighting of your post though.
>>6541390
Based boomer, none of us can put off drawing old people forever.
>>6541392
It's all good, I actually found that really understandable - I feel the same way about anime for the same reason desu.
>>6541411
I don't do much trad work, but you should vary how heavily you press the pencil into the paper while drawing. But also various different techniques exist to differentiate subtle darks vs darkers. See picrel.
>>6541432
Cute but prebeg. For how to proceed from there, check the sticky.
>>6541445
Cool guy in the front really appeals to my baser instincts. Having said that, keep working on fundies and spent more time on drawing the human form from different angles.
>>6541462
Clean practice of big muscles ft. the human skeleton? I kneel, your little guys look great.

>>6541203
all I want to do is draw cats. teach me sensei

>>6541471
thanks for the reply that image is helpful, like that black shade on it is what i am looking for. i think ultimately its just gonna come down to experience with pressure with different pencils plus understanding what they produced based how sharp they are + pencil type, something that will come with time.

>>6541273
At least she didn't lie to you.

>>6541273
She is a keeper, finding honest woman is tough

>>6541273
Did you want her to lie?

>>6541471
>Man I don't get the obsese Toriel thing.
Its less of that and more of me redeeming AI art to hand drawn.
I am just trying to see if there is anything I can add before this boat on the water.

praises due to the most high, ALLAH.

>>6541539
praises due to the most fly, PRADA.

>>6541273
i like it anon.

>>6541202
I was trying to look cool by drawing one of those exaggerated perspectives, you know, breaking his legs, bending perspective. Leaving that aside, do you think he should rethink his body construction or would shortening his legs be enough?

>>6541607
>his
I have now saved your image

>>6540923
This is sound advice anon, follow what this guy says

Digital art/Krita question:

I've just started digital art, downloaded Krita and bought an okay drawing tablet. I had a question about the stabilizer, I notice that when I turn it on my brush kind of follows behind my cursor a bit, and this is even with the delay off. Is this normal for stabilization? Thanks.

>>6541643
Yep, but stop using smoothing if you can help it. It's a crutch

>>6541644
What are the crutches I should avoid if I want to actually get good at art using digital software?

Alright, Anons.

I need some hue ideas. I am going down the meme route and drawing toriel wearing a certian trending twitter outfit. and I got the colors for the base Toriel, I am confused on what kind of dominate atmospheric color I should go for? Should I aim for something warm, cool, or complementary?

I'm at the point where Loomis has you draw stick men, so basically gestures right? Burr you build them up. So he has 24 to copy and wants your to invent your own, can it 36 total. Ok so mine definitely are not close to the example, I'm guessing you durdle gesture drawings until it clicks before moving on? I did about 50 and they are still stiffer than me after a day of nofap. Proportions got better at least, not passable or worthy of clothing, but better. So I'm guessing this is similar to the drawabox 250 boxes/cylinders/ellipses? Just do em until you force open the neural pathways?

>>6541648
The biggest two I could think of is how easy digital makes it to trace, and smoothing, because it makes sure you never learn how to move your arm properly. Most other things are just tools that speed up the process - some anons here will tell you using layers is cheating but that's the reality of traditional vs. digital.

>>6541653
Fun with a pencil is a trap. Use references, don't try to do gesture drawings out of imagination, you won't learn anything about how the human body works if you never see examples

>>6541656
I hate not finishing the book because I kind of feel what you're saying by am by no means authoritative enough to say so. I feel like I'd do better moving onto Tom Foxes and/or Scott Robertson's books but I also feel like I'm leaving half the book on the table. When I glance forward though it's all proto Looney Tunes which I don't really care about.

bear attac

today's boy

>>6541652
The lines, sense of volume and shape is good, so I would be careful not to over render. Idk what ur rendering style is but i would keep it bright and easy to read

Bubble letters, having some trouble. I feel like Im close but not quite, right is my ref

rorshah test :>
now need somehow make sense out of it

Books arent helping me, whats a thing for retarded beginners that I can focus on for more than a minute without being distracted

>>6541775
do you like video courses?

>>6541776
Never tried cause i've always been told to read shit. Guess i'll shoot that and see.

>>6541743
I think I overrendered. XP

How do you all pick colors. I like my lineart but as soon as I have to color I'm filtered.
I tried using Adobe color palette but I have specific colors in mind and I just can't make them work together. Idk what I'm doing wrong

>>6541787
>cel shading
>over render
anon, I...

>>6541838
Give it to me straight, doc.

Hello beg, today i was lazy. Why is bargue course so looong?

>>6541787
anon.... dont worry you arent even close to over-rendering. In fact i would call it the bare minimum rendering. Nice fat furry bitch btw
>>6541775
low attention span is a problem of pretty much all young people. Either wait until you are older, swallow some pills like ritalin or you know... just do it. You could also try to make the issue smaller by picking better references. For example some people love cars, guns, boos, landscapes, animals... with ref you love it should be easier to focus
>>6541745
based future street vandal, just dont spray on houses of ordinary citizens. pick the big corps and government owned buildings
>>6541653
i cant speak for loomis but i did gesture grind in nicolaides - natural way to draw style and it took like 2~3 thousands gestures from ref before it clicked for me somewhat. 50 is nothing. Eviston book said essentially the same thing: that begginers need to do massive grind of gestures to get that feel of flow and proper curves. I also should mention the other books only very briefly mentioned gesture and thats it. So if you hate the grind feel free to skip it, it isnt the only path towards figure drawing
>>6541648
stabilizer (it fucks up your hand/eye coordination in the long run, kinda like how e-gamers who play shooters enable "raw mouse input" for aiming), eraser and or undo spam (no line confidence, slows you down), tracing (no observation leveling up, lack of line weight)
>>6541543
that punch on the right has no weight behind it. it is as if you draw man poitning out direction with his fist
>>6541445
flying rubble. it looks like she is blowing up people into air. sprinkle whole scene with items, rocks, pieces of floor flying as well, with some skillful placement it will add in the missing depth to the scene. dont forget to blurry them to imply great speed
>>6541411
Use kneaded eraser as 2nd brush and make lighter highlights in dark areas
>>6541828
PYW

>>6541841
u got the base colors down good start.

>>6541849
>Either wait until you are older,
Then it'll be older me regretting that I didnt start 5 years ago like Im doing now.
>swallow some pills like ritalin
Ritalin doesnt do shit for me, and adderall doesnt exist where I am.
>or you know... just do it.
genius, why didnt I think of that?
>picking better references.
references? from where?

How to draw from life? What exactly am I looking for in object that need to be drawn?

>>6541849
>anon.... dont worry you arent even close to over-rendering. In fact i would call it the bare minimum rendering.

Oh....well....OK That's good to know.

>Nice fat furry bitch btw.

Thanks but she isn't my character. She is toriel from Undertale. I just happen to draw her fat and in that meme outfit I found on twitter.

>>6540883
you are better than me fellow loomis enjoyer

>>6541849
>pyw
I am deleting im .35 seconds so answer quick

Everything I draw just looks worse colored in and idk why, pic rel is my attempt

feel pretty good about the upper body, but no matter how many times I go at the legs it doesn't feel right (which is why she has none)

should of chose an image with better lighting on the leg couldn't see shit

>>6541887
use reference. and waht I mean find any picture or photo whatewer that looks kind of how you want it to be. And do something like that.
And do not shade folds in the blank, try to fill evrything first and then add definition so you can see how it looks like together. because everithing is very context sensetive. Unless you know very well what are you doing or doing direct copy.
pic unrealted

Pls help I have no ducking clue how to connect the head

>>6541850
>>6541849
>>6541743
I wanna say, thanks for the feedbacks. You and plenty others are huge helpers!

>>6540877
Any tips on how to learn lighting / shading?

I've just started, I've been afraid to start but am finally throwing myself into it. Any recommendations on where to start? Or what materials helped you learn?

I still have a really hard time judging what planes get light, and which don't and to what degree they do. I have an idea of the forms in my head, but when I go to add light, I like blank out.

>>6541910
Break things down into construction / 3d shapes. You try and do that with the hands I can see with the balls. But for everything else it just seems like squares.

Use simple, 3d, cubes, spheres, and cylinders, and get proper proportions rather than this trying to mesh together construction and symbol drawing. It'll do better for you in the long run. Keep at it buddy.

>>6541673
Love this, blog?

no

>>6541965
Thanks looks good! It's been a real stumper for me

>>6541849
Thanks for the idea, I'll work on it tomorrow. It's that middle panel that lacks better action, it takes higher skill but it's what actually sells the scene so I have to make it, it's a good time to improve.

played around with some different approaches to gesture

Okay, but why are the roosters Freemasons?

>>6540877
My practice for today.

Give it to me straight /ic/. Is it shit? If it is, I'll stop polishing it and just start anew.

fellas,

in perspective made easy, norling explains two ways to draw roofs, i think. at first, he explains drawing vanishing points on the y-axis. then in another he intersects the front of the house. so which is it?

>>6542059

>>6542059
both. intersection give you where center of front wall[in perspective] is and edge of roof will be above[if it symmetrical.] if front walls of all houses are parallel to each other then short edges of all roofs will be parallel to each other and converge in same point [as all parallels do in perspective]

I've been neglecting Loomis for too long now

>>6542058
Don't overthink it. It looks like a very good finished sketch, move on to the next one.

>>6542035
Looks nice and weighty.

>>6541953
Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dqGkHWC5IU
There is a lot of theory on what goes on with light in this video. First experiment with making a plane-sphere as in the video, make the lighting obvious and try to get it correct how the shading changes from lightest to darkest, how the shadow falls. Then try to make a tendon like in the vid. Making a figure have shading is this, but applied on more planes and objects.

>>6542081
Keep your 3/4th side planes in check.

>>6542049
They are a part of a historic organization in opposition to the Cluck Clucks Clan.

>draw a million boxes
>have to draw a cylinder now
????

>>6542094
Weird because in the course they recommend it be done after like lesson 5, but in 3, 4, and 5 you're drawing cylinder-like things in plants etc. Should be easy but time consuming I guess? I'll do it

>>6542119
oh i’m not doing DAB right now sorry i’m reading perspective made easy. i did DAB in the past and now i’m reading perspective made easy and i forgot how to draw cylinders cause he doesn’t mention it till like chapter 13.

SNL, 1977.
Mondo Video.

David Beauchard

Kingdom Hearts. Through the Looking Glass.

I've been improving a lot recently, but I'm worried I'm doing something wrong
I don't really *use* construction per se, I only use gesture and go from there. I don't draw boxes for any body part, for example.
I'm wondering if I'm shooting myself in the foot for later when I start drawing from imagination, or if I'm doing the right thing and my imagination drawings will look fluid

Vassy isn't an easy draw. It feels like you can choose the Greek or German side, then choose the woman over or under the makeup...going to have to simplify a lot next time.

>>6540901
>4 fingers
wtf? why do so many cartoonist do this? Is drawing an extra finger too much to ask?

>>6542318
3 fingas, 1 thumb. A lot of cartoonists lost a finger in shop class, polite people generally refrain from bringing it up.

>>6541539
>>6541543
Based pen on paper exercises. While the lines are still a bit messy, you're not chicken scratching. Keep up with that and you'll see great gains in no time. You could draw lightly with your black pen and then go over it with a different color defining the "true" contour of your drawing to work on getting even better control of your lines and shapes.

>>6541896
If you don't use any kind of reference it is never going to feel "right"

I made huge progress.
But seeing my first drawings still demotivates me
Maybe I'll just put them away somewhere

Is this okay being this autistic and making 100 versions of 1 freaking drawing?

>>6542500

>>6542500

>>6542500
>russian
Why did you do this?

>>6542513
If you're talking about the title, it's just the basic title name given automatically by ibispaint, which is basically just "untitled".
If you're talking about making a lot of versions of 1 drawing, then okay I did overexaggerate when I said 100 versions of one work, but anyway, that's I just feel unsatisfied with each drawing one, way or another, and try to make it more appealing to me if that makes sense
I you're asking why am I on /beg/ thread to begin with, then that's because my drawings are really /beg/ tier garbo and I need to move on from that I guess

>>6542545
Imo redoing the same idea over and over again is good if you're pregaming a bigger piece and trying to find the right way to portray a part of it. If you're /beg/ the more variety of form you train the better. Ron't redo the same thing over and over again, you didn't learn that much in between this and the previous version to make it worth it.

trying to make a relatively simple background for my anime girl, what can i do to make the composition more interesting?

>>6542500
scrap it, move on, nothing within your current skillset will make this look good. Study more, and come back to it in a year if you must.

>>6541471
>check the sticky
kill yourself

what are some good ways to practice hands and feet?

>>6542610
draw hands and feet.

Whys it gotta be so fucking hard bros?

>>6541951
If you want to be lazy, draw a circle for the brain cradle(I have no idea what else to call it), draw the spine connecting to it, and then do the jaw and fleshy by extruding from there.

>>6542610
Copy your favorite artists to get a hang of how the shapes work. Do both gesture and blocking exercises. Trace shapes over photos/art you like

what do you think anons

>>6542500
No
I think my first 50 drawings were of the same guy lol

Still life in progress. The handle is provisional, I'll need to change it.
I'm kind of just winging the shading, anyone got a good resource on that?

>>6542507
Google "tangents in drawing", maybe you'll get a better look at the same drawing just by changing some lines

>>6542577
The girl needa to be the focal point in the composition and greenery that guides the eye towards her.
https://finearttutorials.com/guide/focal-point/#Framing_the_focal_point

>>6542622
>wanting it to be easy

>>6542694
I always default to recommending this one. https://youtu.be/-dqGkHWC5IU

would you a bird

>>6542759
Momma ain't raise no bird fucker.

>>6542308
Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life? I love it. Murray especially

I feel like the dragon looks kinda goofy

>>6542829
It'd fine, with some asian folklore-ish style coloring it can really pretty cool

>>6542829
it's the eyes

>>6542824
you got it, started watching a stream - JackDuckGoose.

>>6542829
The dragon legs are wayy too small

>>6542896
it's supposed to be more of a snake than a lizard

>>6542829
He's into it.

>>6542352
that makes sense. any good places to find refs? should i just google poses?

Sketching on company time once again

struggling to add depth to my drawings.
Organizing values or whatever is so boring as fuck but I gotta.

>>6542967
Does it disturb you that you will be paid more per hour to make this sketch than you will ever be paid to make your own content?

Doing some YouTube searches on gesture drawing and coming up short on a process. Some people do a contour and block on from there, some people do 90% of a sketch, some people do a line of action and roughly construct. So if I take all that together it's "generally" just going to be: quickly and loosely capture the energy of your reference? Have you watched or read anyone who had a process that worked best for you?

>>6543060
https://www.youtube.com/@lovelifedrawing

What’s a good way of fighting aphantasia? Are there any natural supplements that work against it?

>>6543115
you can try ginkgo biloba, it is suppose to help with memory.

>>6543094
I watched some stuff and tried some stuff and honestly from where I was too just these 4 there was improvement. Wild. Enjoy the first 4 semi-dynamic mannequins and my mounted any head courtesy of Grounded, plus some organic forms with chunks missing.

>>6543139
Aye. He has a lot of good stuff.

>>6543115
hard work pill, this aphantasia thing its mostly used as a excuse, be like Demosthenes do the hard work and put some pebbles in your mouth.

>>6543115
Draw a lot and think a lot about drawing when you're not drawing.

I used to have a series of image-tutorials by a korean guy iirc? who had a "simplified anatomy" workflow with sheet-like torso drawings, the like of cyanide and happiness

Ive been legit searching for two hours and gonna abandon so anyone knows what im talking about?

can someone help me? when i post my work, the shading looks much lighter but on my art program the shading is dark. i really dont like that because i want to make sure my shading is not too light :(

>>6543214
OHH NEVERMIND I FOUND THE PROBLEM. its because the app i used to post my work was on dark mode while on my program its white everywhere so the darkness popped out more, i thought something was seriously wrong with my monitor

Guess that now that I'm unemployed I'll have more time to do this stuff

Current work atm.

Traditional is so much more fun than digital imo. And it's easier two use to

>>6543230

Dude. Your work keeps getting better and better.
Sorry to hear that you are unemployed now. Hope things get better.

>>6542577
My two cents are to reduce the space of the borders of image and change the position of the dog a bit, so he kind of points towards her. If you want to keep the width, I think you should add a bit of vertical space or it gives indoor scene vibes. Not really an expert, but I do like when people want to challenge themselves with background stuff

>>6543244
Thanks my man, it's not a big deal

How’s the rendering looking?
>>6542058
Looks great.

>>6543009
That bold foreshortening makes my dick hard

>>6543258

>>6543255

Some folks at the Neo Beg server would love to have you there.

>>6543258
Looks good for me. If anything, I have like the impression the shadow on the two dudes is too dark, but you can easily fix it later
Really want to see it finished, the composition is great

>>6543264
The ear is too distant from the face, but apart that I like it, it haves personality
Meaning that there are some design choices that could be questionable but they're presented in such a way that makes perfect sense

Would appreciate a critique. I struggle with digital painting. Always looks blurry or haphazard, aside from large shapes I have a hard time making form and structure.

>>6543271
:)
I'm glad because I was going trough an artistic block. This was the same character 3 weeks ago.
>>6543282
I like it anon, but to be frank, I know jack shit about backgrounds.
Probably could blend some of those squiggly lines a bit more, specially the ones on the lower right.

>>6543282
I mean...

Hello beg. My three little ponies arrived! In case you are wondering why they are so weird and flat like, its because the ref was mural in walls so the "depth" is severy limited. And also because i couldnt take it anymore.

>>6543258
didnt you already posted this one in color before? why is it grayscale now? i am confused
>>6543223
bordelands wide
>>6543115
dont fall for the crab propaganda like asian jeans and similar and just draw lmao
>>6543066
cute. i like them all
>>6543060
gesture is lowkey like signature. ask 10 artists what gesture is and you will get 10 different answers. The only consensus i have seen is that you need to do A LOT of them to understand the concept. You learn gesture by drawing hundreds of them
>>6543009
the only thing you need to do to get that form going is darkening one side of the forms. Draw cross contours with thin pen or add shade by picking up pencil and drawing over your flat colors
>>6542759
SOUL
>>6542694
>>6541953
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/102
>>6542467
>>6542312
you forgot to PYW
>>6542302
i like this one
>>6541871
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/
>>6543282
very good! To be honest objects in great distance often are blurry due to how light works and it adds in extra depth if you make closer object sharper in comparison. My limited painintg experience taught me you need at least two brushes: one fuzzy for textures and such and one small and sharp for details and edges. So for example if you want that mountain on the left sharp you need to pick up the yellow background sky and go all around it with small hard round brush. It will pop out the contour and produce sharp edge.

>>6543288
Ok here's an ebin question
How THE FUCK do you blend without using the smudge tool. I can't fucking understand it.
I just do solid lines and smudge them together, its the only way I manage to get some result

>>6543282
it looks cool overall, anon

>blurry and haphazard
I was going to say increase contrast and use more hard edges if it feels that way to you. your mesas have hard edges around the silhouette, and your horizon line is mostly hard, but nothing else feels as defined. this anon seems to have bumped the contrast (and saturation), and it seems somewhat improved in those regards even without edge work >>6543287 . it feels scrubbed in and your foreground features are kinda undeveloped. whatever that speckled brush you're using isn't doing you any favors, either.

it's good, though, anon. it especially reads well from the thumbnail, which means you got the big stuff right imo.

you might find john j park's and jordan grimmer's environment stuff interesting. I don't do environments as much as I should but I refer to them whenever I do for insights or technical ideas. they're more concepty than painterly but they're really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e6wTOuJ20M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJuTQHyjU-s

>>6543302
>>6543287
>>6543288
>>6543284
based and helpful, thank you friends. I will return soon with another attempt.

>>6543291
there are probably other ways, i know about these
ebin

>>6543328
which shading method is better?
the first ones shading isnt blended, while the second ones is blended

>>6543330
(i apologize for the shading kinda being shit, this was a request i didnt expect to render lol)

>>6543200
nvm found it

>>6543309
based hard study anon

>>6543330
blended looks better to me

>>6543330
Consider shading less altogether.
Especially skin.

>>6543352
pyw

>>6543352
elaborate?
>>6543350
thanky ou

How is my catgirl doing :<

>>6543264
Why’d you rely to me? If you want my opinion show me your reference. The rendering is a bit off.

>>6543383
Oh sorry, didn't mean to reply to you that time, I just wanted the reply pop-up but forgot to delete your number.
There's also no reference but the sketch.

decided to get serious after years of doodling for fun. last two weeks have been reading and grinding fundamentals shit like basic shapes, 3d space and perspective. feels like torture. took the night off of practicing tonight and just doodled. 4 hours passed like it was nothing. I didn't want the doodling to end. i'm happy but a little sad that getting better means I have to go back to the annoying stuff

>>6543372
Smol gun or big girl?

>>6543330
Blog?

>>6540877
What am I looking at here? A rooster with a lesbian hen?

>>6543403
oogh add katty#8648 for it, kinda not comfortable sharing my @ on 4Chan because i get paranoid i hope you understand

>>6543431
i can post the other pieces i made today if youd like to see too

>>6543432
NTA but id like to see

>>6543435
here you go, i drew all of these in the span of 3 hours after not drawing for 5 days (i wanted to do a daily thing everyday and ill probably attempt that again, was just demotivated for a bit until i saw a play irl)
crit is ok! these are all requests by friends

>>6543230

By the way,what is the full story of this pic. I assume the girl is a slave of sorts and the two men are either guards or slavers.

The minotaur seems to have happened to just be there and decided to take the girl as a prize.

Seeing how she has muscles she can use a sword at least which she is reaching for.

Did I miss anything?

how the hell was this base color put down?
I was trying to learn rendering and I was trying to do https://lunarmimi.net/tutorials/4-steps-painting-wet-shirt/ going along w/ it but I realized that the bast skin layer isn't a simple bucket fill because the color would jitter around, but it also isnt a simple gradient because it's not smooth, and if I randomly click around with a 0 tolerance bucket fill I get these patterns
is this some weird brush/ texture effect?

>>6541745
What is it that you don't like?

>>6543139
Try this but also a combination of gestural drawings instead of just lines of action. Good luck!

>>6543230
I like how the emphasis right now is on what is shaded in. I would maybe do a gradual shade to white when it comes to the background so that the characters in the foreground stay in focus.

>>6543232
composition is good. I knew immediately what was going on in this photo, so that's good.
I think i would fix the line between the boobs, that is too defined and looks gross. the doctors / surgeons don't look anatomically correct sorta blobbish. Pay attention to the anatomy of the heads.

some guilty gear testament studies. practicing gesture ;w; I want to do this so i can draw more cartoonish.

>>6543282
>>6543309
>>6543346
Back again, was working on textures a little more this time. I really like the top half, and then the bottom half is a complete clusterfuck. I don't get how I do this. I tried reworking a bit but everything from the midground slanting area to the rocks just looks like shit, and i know I would need to refine the rocky/water area a bit regardless, but still, I don't understand how I'm dropping the ball like this. Any tips?

>>6543551

Well the lines are supposed to be pec lines.

Also,I have been having issues with the heads and necks at these angles.

It took me about 6 hours to draw this today. How do I get faster but keep work looking good

>Just finished the storyboards for an animation
>now I just have to draw the finer details and inbetweens
>Draw for 2 minutes, get distracted for 2 hours, repeat
holy fuck why am i like this

This is a rough layout for some scene I want to draw, is it show or not

>>6543566
nice! dogged work ethic, fren. you're motivating me to do work harder tbqh.

this one reads pretty good. are you intending these to be studies or finished pieces? what are you intending to get out of these? are you using photo reference?

I think your core fundamentals and design ideas are much better than your final result shows, which might be why you're frustrated. this one seems cleaner than your last one (your last one was good, tho), but to me it seems like the smaller I view them both, the better they read. what do you think?

I think this is largely a textural issue. you get some really cool value design that reads well, but you detract from your painting in the final stages a bit with that drippy speckle brush and the streaky pastel looking brush. the speckles create little areas of sharp contrast when your overall painting isn't very sharp contrast, so they look a little artificial and out of place. the shadow side of that peak is an example (black dots), and the left side of your monument valley piece was similar. the speckles also sorta overrun edges in places, compromising your forms; you can do that in some places, but if you do it everywhere, the eye doesn't know where to focus. I think the reason exaggerating the contrast made it look better was partly because it deemphasized the texture a bit. how do you feel about it?

you might not like the bottom because of your overall composition. it's a sort of reduplicated shape relative to your peak, but at the edge of the composition, taking away from your big focal point a bit.

good stuff, though, anon. you're gmi if you keep it up. don't take me too seriously btw, I'm just a tipsy retard on the internet.

Wip
Asking for critique even though I think its alright so far I just need to fix the gun perspective

>>6540877
Griiiiind

>>6540906
Do you take critiq from a /beg/?

more heads, ignore the shitty ears

>>6543412
Not all roosters have big combs.

>>6543587
unironically just keep drawing and you will get faster. Also keep a sketchbook and time urself for 2/5/10 mins

:<

vgh

>three chapters away from finishing perspective made easy
i don’t wanna think about VPs or horizon lines or eye level or cubes or cylinders ever again after this

>>6543744
You was supposed to start always thinking about these things

>>6543745
yeah, i know, i am… i can’t look at rooms or furniture or anything anymore without thinking about their VPs and shadows.. kinda cool i guess

>>6543744
you are not supposed to finish the entire book, that's a trap just learn what you need and use it in your next drawing

>>6543747
everything is a beg trap to you niggas

>>6543744
Wasn't expecting to find this thairish critter here out of all places. I'll be waiting for you to post those gainz, king.

>>6543066
Damn you even follow the file size.
Cool sketches

>>6543481
Your redering has improve quite a bit, nice job!
>>6543282
Choose a focal point and start adding detail.

>>6541265
>>6543230
>>6543232
>>6543258
>>6543288
Really nice work. Would any of you be interested in paid work creating artwork for a tabletop rpg I'm developing? I'm looking for an artist to create supporting material for a dark age horror investigation game. This would include things like creating art for the pdf handbook, character token art, maybe some gridded maps, and some background images that we could use in a video trailer of the game.

Pretty small budget as this is self-funded but I'm confident something will come of it.

Reach out here
there's no driver at this wheel#6900

>>6543489
lil bro.... its literally just airbrushed with a slightly redder hue around the boobs and thighs

>>6543775
I'm actually kind of interested

>>6543587
Slow drawing and fast drawing both, and a lot of drawing in general. You work slow because you're thinking about a lot of stuff that an experienced artist just has ingrained.

>>6543655
Keep going as is as my critique is mostly about structural things that would be a waste of time to redo.
Head is too small for the body. Torso is a bit too elongated and looks like it has a second stomach area. The curvature is accentuating this. There would be 3 main planes where a human to take a pose like this. Rib cage, groin/lower stomach and a upper stomach. In your picture it looks like the ribs are going downward way too far and the "middle stomach" is far too extended and is making 2 planes where it should be 1.

>>6543715
The little character looks like she should be elevated on a table or a higher plane. Otherwise it seems like the catgirl isn't standing on the same ground level as the little one.

more guilty gear sketches , this time faust!
( yes i know one of the sketches has a double elbow, it's intentional! I was copying the pose from the game. )

>>6543798
I salute you fellow Daisuke enjoyer

i wanna start rendering my drawings in (black/gray/white) and when i get good enough hopefully move to colours any tips or criticisms ?

is this work in progress any good

>>6543800
why everything is so wobbly. can you draw normal sphere and cylinder? if not then learn this first.
it doesn't matter because you have deeper issues bit on your picture cylinder and sphere have about same height but one shadow is much longer -there no reason for this to happen in this scenario.

Gouache

>>6543807
Pencil

>>6543802
Yes. Fix up the hand and his right shoulder. Keep going.

>>6543808

>>6543815
mogger

I've got some cool looking reference books, manga oriented stuff but full of photos of (Japanese, obv) people doing random things. Jumping, running, one book on hands, animal stuff (like equestrian things, etc), some sports, one for medieval weapons. Can these be brought to a printing shop, deconstructed, laminated, and ring bound? Was going to scan them in for /ic/'s reference torrent but don't want to destroy them in the process. I figured I'd ask the group that might have some foreknowledge before going to the salt off the earth printer guy and handing off my autism manuals full of Japanese school girls twirling around horses and halberds for nothing.

Made it more than three weeks drawing erry day. Don’t want to break the chain

>>6543802
Where is this nose pointing.

>>6543833

>>6543790
feel free to add on discord then and we can chat, would love to see some of your artwork

>>6543330
The blending is still a bit harsh. Consider using an airbrush with the lasso tool

any tips for rendering would be appreciated

>>6543288
>finally got a (You) from pavel
life is good

>>6540877
Why does this look so unrealistic? I kind of figured out the value control, but I can't render the shadows properly. It turns out daub

>>6543884
it looks good desu.

Current WIP, just wanted to vent and maybe get a suggestion. Smushed skin is hard to pull off, feels like I'm going back and forth with the arm in the foreground and can't seem to get it just right.

Since her arm looks "weirdly fat" in the reference anyway it's probably smarter to reduce the curvature caused by pushing the arm against her legs? That is, if I can't pull it off.

Maybe I try asking for help here instead is better I'm looking for reference and to learn how to do light and color

>>6543775
I'm pretty interested, I was just thinking about trying to join some indie project, I'll take anything for my portfolio.
I've sent you a friend request, starts with R, I'm the guy who drew the prussian cuirassier

am i doing this right?
i think im ready to move on from spherical forms in vilppu manual

>>6540883
gmi

Just did an update on my pic.

rough sketch, getting back into drawing after a few years, how is this looking?

proportions are hard.

>>6541849
any tips on adding weight to that punch?
>>6542352
thanks man, i'll switch to blue for contours.
>>6543555
soul
>>6543833
very nice. i like your lines.

>>6544044

>>6543895
You want to make sure your values leads the viewers eye to what you want it to. In your black and white piece, it's mostly flat, but in the pic on the right all the attention goes to the dark mirror/painting, window, and duster hand.

I'd say it's important to learn how lighting works and then how you need to apply it to make your pics look more interesting. Proko's youtube channel has stuff on this.

>>6544042
Looking fine. If you could draw the elf with the same line quality as the cat you'd be a whole tier up in quality.

>>6543843
Will definitely do but I want to get the all the values down on this one before that

I tied my self worth to my drawing skill, so I hate myself since I'm so shit
>Are you going to draw then?
Nah

>>6544087
That makes you a real artist breh

>>6544049
>proko

how much does it pay to be a social media shiller? for real?

>>6544134
It's easy to point to him because he's got a whole channel with tutorials. If you just search "art values" on YouTube you'll get a few decent results and then a bunch of Indian channels that spam useless videos.

Some more practice
>>6541471
>your little guys look great
Thanks. I used myself as reference. It's pretty much one to one.

>>6543887
everything has too much yellow/brown in it which takes away from the black/white contrast goth aesthetic

also, the area below the left elbow needs to be a lot darker. the left thigh currently looks way thicker because of that?

the eyes are too open? in ref they look more like the eyebrows.

highlights on right side of nose and upper lip need to be lighter than lightest value on rest of face

same with parts of right arm and left knee facing right.

>>6544049
First one not actually black and white I color pick from my second reference they different cause I am trying to learn difference in lighting between two reference. Your paint over looks very nice thank you but idk why light on robot so strong when she is in front of window and wall so I thought light supposed to hit her back not face. But I will watch more Proko videos I only watch two of his lighting videos so far.

>>6543775
I’m interested but the name didn’t work.

any advice for coloring stuff? I struggle a lot with it.

>>6540877
Best sources on drapery? From books to courses,I'm all ears

>>6544358
herr hogarth
dynamik wrinkles und drapery

>>6543884
What are you talking about? That looks great

>>6543632
Appreciate the write-up. Definitely think you're correct about the speckles contrast throwing things off, didn't realize that at all. For me it was just that the top sort of seemed to work in a rough way, but looking at the bottom, specifically the craggy inlet, it's just messy. But I can rework that bit at least. My goal is mostly just a sketch, or at least to be getting better results in less time. Thanks again, what's yer drink dude?

Anons, can I get some insights in this art?

In her legs, why there is this darker line dividing the shadow and the light, but in the other areas of the draw there isn't? I imagine this is the terminator line. I understand it makes the legs more juicy, but why other areas like her arms, face, hair, the cat, etc... Do not have this effect of a darker line dividing it?

Is there some light/shadow rule here that can be used to guide your decision, or it is just a stylistic choice?

the entirety of /beg/ draws better than me now

>>6543815
thick and meaty
good job

>>6544505
/beg/ now /begint/

30 mins of cube drawing, this is very boring and easy and im not sure how will benefit from it.

>>6544517
30 minutes???

>>6544497
evrithing on this picture phisics inspired but not dictated. why nowhere else because artist wanted . what it resemble the most is reflective surface.I guess

>>6544517
>cubes
>picture full of rectangular prisms
???

>>6544523
Nta but rectangles don't count?

WIP and getting better with thumbnails

>>6544029
Looks good but needs some improvement. Think about the shapes you're representing and where they would be overlapping, it looks like you're drawing lines before you consider the forms.
Anyways you should keep practicing each lesson even after moving on to the newer ones, they will build on each other.

>>6544517
I'm assuming this is you >>6544029, if I had scrolled down a bit before posting I could've given you all this in the same reply, oops.
It's easy because you're not following the instructions in the book, and it's boring because you kinda suck at it desu. You should be drawing the boxes "tumbling through space", i.e. from various angles. Do it how it looks on the page, but don't copy the lines of the drawing directly. (We don't copy, we analyze)

>>6544497
She's wearing nylon stockings.

I have been seeing some nice progress with human figures but i still cant draw a tree for shit

>>6544592
shrimp method

I drew it listening to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_GEZ-L3zrw

>>6543481
Rapist-kun why do you persist

>>6543795
Thanks anon its done but like you said I did not use her critique
Not sure about the ribs and torso youre probably right, but the head is the right size because she is very tall

Should I erase the pencil sketch as much as possible when moving on to pen work? Ive read that granite can clog up the pen and mess it up

is there a certain way to use halftone or do you just use it wherever you think is cool? does it have “rules” kinda like hatching?

My teacher yesterday helped me to just draw even if it looks bad
He said "Don't be afraid of getting things dirty. Just draw, sketch, doodle, whatever. It's like learning how to drive, you need to do it a lot and it becomes something you can just do." or something along those lines, it really clicked for me when he brought up driving
We did some exercises of listening to songs of various lengths and doodling as much stuff as possible on a page before the song ended, that exercise really changed my mindset, it's so much easier to just draw stuff now
Just wanted to share, that was really nice

>>6544721
Did you perhaps fight against a Sol recently?

>>6543282
>>6543566
>>6544481
Back again with another. Tried to keep a consistent brush this time.

ok

i dont know how im supposed to learn shading. everyone talks about, everyone knows how to do it, its so critical to drawing and yet i have no clue and also cant find anything that can give me a clear idea what im doing.

if there is a clear light source that makes shading a bit easier, but what if there is no light source? im just supposed to shade at random?

>>6544517
Dude

>>6544686
Well, traditionally you'd use it when printing something, because a black and white dot pattern is much cheaper than forcing the printer to get grey ink. Sometimes it's also used to mimic a print. Maybe you want to follow the style of printed cartoons, even if you only plan to publish digitally.
The guy who drew this apple didn't have any reasons like that, and only used it because hey, his drawing software came with the halftone brushes so he might as well.

>>6544841
??? if there was no light source your figure would just be in the dark
think about how light works anon think

> dont know how im supposed to learn shading.
just draw lines for 20 more years

I will built some small cities and rooms through sheer practice boxes.
I will not draw anything else until I actually make proper "city" of these boxes

more head practice+some expressions

>>6544874
Put a vanishing point down before you start

>>6543665
I will definitely apply it, thanks

>drew today after getting off work
>told myself I would play some videogames before bed
>got distracted drawing instead, drew for hours and now it's 5:00 am
good problem to have

>>6544721
these are great and I know they're just sketches but PLEASE clean up your lines! Cleaner lines would bring these from doodles to pretty much finished pieces.

>>6544686
>not mine btw.jpg
whose is it?

>>6541462
>>6544178
tomfoxdraws?

>>6544962
pibgeon on twitter. don’t know of their other works, it was just recommended to me on twitter.

>>6543795
Thanks anon, but I ended up not using your advice like you said

NEW THREAD
>>6545008
>>6545008
>>6545008

>>6544517
It's not helping you because you don't understand what a cube is, how it's drawn, or why