/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6522382

should i get firmly comfortable with still lifes before starting to try figure drawing or should i do both at the same time?

Watercolor is difficult!!!! but kinda fun

>>6522396
Figures on images are still.

>>6522389
>>6522401
based

I need help with these new brushes. XP

done with this, now im gonna do this colloso course and see if I actually improve lol.

>>6522404
don't play smart, give an actual answer

>>6522396
Do figure drawing if you want to draw people. Still life is good for learning shading and coloring.

>>6522482
so do both?

Realistically speaking, how much time should it take to get at the exact same level as something of this quality if I'm obliviously inferior and I study on and off? (Art friend of mine, he has a lot of the strenghts I wish I had in my art and is pretty fast at pumping out pieces and quick doodling). Got told "1 year and something is enough" judging by people looking at my skill level, but I'm kind of doubtful since he can also do plenty of things that shows he has plemty of experience. I've been drawing everyday for the last few weeks but I'm not improving as fast as I want (and I have myself to blame because I don't study fundies that much, and I've started to hate the "art style" I'm stuck with due to my lack of knowledge), and I told myself that I'll need to get on an initial competent skill level before starting making comics at all (I care about art quality as much as writing quality, but can't afford better artists than me). Pic related is an example of what I mean by "initial competent skill level", once I am as good as him or comparable I'll start getting into comics making from scratch. I am specifically working to get competent at organic form, gesture and shape design alongside decent knowledge of anatomy, enough detailing and better faces and hands. What do you guys suggest?

>>6522456
learn the hard round first

>>6522494
probably like a year if you're retarded and can't grasp basic concepts

>>6522494
For reference, my current skill level is around this (drew this in around 2 hours). I also did another lineart only piece today, but I wasn't in the mood and I'm too embarassed to show the end result.

>>6522492
sure you can switch between them when you get stuck.

>>6522496
Can you elaborate what you mean by hard round?

>>6522504
Hard Round brush, you can pretty much do everything with just a basic soft brush and hard edge brush.

>>6522508
yeah but what about line weight and the like?

>>6522517
>what about line weight
pressure sensitivity

>>6522382
Jung gi you bastard how did you do it so effortlessly

I miss him so much, bros...

>>6522526
I suppose I should try that before I go out today.

>>6522456
Zoom out. You have no room to zoom in without everything going blurry.

>>6522531
I zoomed in for a reason. Its just one spec of a canvas.

is this a proper man face?

hm

>>6522498
>>6522494
Draw figures carrying heavy things.

>>6522532
>Its just one spec of a canvas.

>>6522529
I am still unsure.

So, what in your opinion is the best figure drawing book for beginners? Assume you are recommending it to someone who has never drawn a figure in their life before.

>>6522556
Keys to drawing.

>>6522554
a drawing tablet has a pen that can detect pressure, and if you control it properly you can make the lines have weight

>>6522556
There's no "beginner" or "advanced" anything. There's just drawing. That being said, "How to draw comics the marvel way" paired up with Bridgman or Morpho is great. Loomis after that, for shading and rendering

>>6522563
I removed the pressure. Its mostly because I have issues with pressure drawing. It comes off as jagged

>>6522565
>There's no "beginner" or "advanced" anything. There's just drawing
that's bullshit and you know it

>>6522556
It’s not a “how-to” book, but “Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters” by Robert Beverly Hale because it explains many important concepts with great examples of master figure drawings.

>>6522574
well then, good luck

If you think that
>Drawabox
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>Feng Zhu
>Keys to Drawing
>Loomis
>Perspective Made Easy
>Peter Han
>Proko
>Scott Robertson
>The Natural Way to Draw
>Vilppu
>any of the stickies
are suitable recommendations for an absolute beginner you should be banned from /ic/ immediately. You are incapable of being a teacher.

>>6522606
yeah whats good is having absolutely no direction at all and start drawing without knowing what you are doing

>>6522494
date and passing of time is meanengles. You will learn when you learn not when some time passes. Or do you need some metrics to measure how much falure you are? Well you alredy underperform compare to these who good at it. The way you draw do not change much over years no matter how many long silly qustions you ask. it like you think you will perform some ritual and demonstrate to others you doing it and it and l be granted new ability for that. Insted of intelectualy engage with it or at least having fun.

>>6522606
shoo, shoo, mr.crab

>>6522615
I did not say all books or courses on drawing are bad. I did not even say that the books and courses mentioned are bad for people with experience. I said they are bad for people with no experience.

>>6522606
this is bait but i agree drawing on the right side of the brain is garbage
keys to drawing is only good for the absolute beginner who is still chicken scratching
drawabox is… questionable

>>6522621
>keys to drawing is only good for the absolute beginner who is still chicken scratching
absolute fucking retard. never post on /ic/ again. if you're chicken scratching you lack the necessary skills to get anything out of keys to drawing

>>6522620
super weak bait mate, you were the one talking about books here, im just playing with the idea of what you just said

drawing on the wide side of the barn :<

>>6522606
nice bait but your right, absolute begs like you should only draw from life before picking up a book

so talking about books, what are some good books to read if everything is dog shit?

>>6522629
literally just ignore the crab
why do you guys take every post so literal even when they’re bait

>>6522382
Light

>>6522527
Figure on the left looks really good fuck you

>>6522382
Dark

>>6522627
also bad advice

>>6522634
its fun to feel mad

>>6522624
it’s been a while since i read it, i dunno it did nothing for me but i already had some previous art experience before reading it and i didn’t feel like it was teaching me anything new

>>6522606
Anyone that posts shit like this are trolling

>>6522382

>>6522644
I like it graficaly but but confused by motion, she seems to rotate counterclockwise but stuff indicate like she is rotating clockwise. I don't mean change will make it better but it something I noticed

>>6522581
nope. I mean it.

>>6522588
Well how do i put more hard press without making the lines jagged?

>>6522456
Brushes won't make up for the lack of experience.

>>6522556
The best figure drawing book for the absolute beginner is any book. If it's too hard for you to understand, then you know you need to read a simpler book. If it's too simple, you go more advanced. Jump into the deep end and see if how long you can keep your head aboveapmjyy water.

can i take the krenz perspective course alongside han’s dynamic drawing or is that too many fundies at once? i wouldn’t want to overwhelm myself. not looking to minmax this shit just looking to have fun.

>>6522779
How anyone know what you can or cannot. No one knows you.

Hello beg, arms! They arent hands like the last time.

>>6522779
i have seen on /ic floating one guide which suggest reader to do like 6 different books at the same time, working by chapters and trying to implement all the shit in them as you go. Personally i STRONGLY discourage this because you need to grind out whatever the course just revealed to you or you will instantly forget it. Do one shit at a time.
>>6522739
that rwby has potential to mog whole beg
>>6522644
i like it but i am not a fan of the meme half-tones brushes, its eye sore in this picture, even breaks forms
>>6522629
keys to drawing was my first art book and i still consider it as the best one because of its scope and power level
>>6522556
if you have never drawn figure in your life then you most likely never drawn seriously and lack critical fundies like observation and other 99 little things which are all covered in Keys to Drawing. Good luck!
>>6522535
eyes are in middle, one eye width apart, mouth aligned with eyes, nose has only one hard edge, chad tier jaw, neck properly thick... yes. i rate it as man's head
>>6522498
honestly all you are missing is rendering and appealing color palette. If i am not mistaken all you need to add is cell shading, background and make her booba double the size to match the pic you posted as example. Oh and a bit of crosshatching and mastering hard round brush (for lineart). Right now you are using fuzzy one which is more forgiving
>>6522460
cute rat
>>6522401
water color chads have my respect, that medium is crazy demanding, the color does whatever it wants
>>6522396
draw whatever you want / enjoy / the course tells you to do. You will get better at drawing X by drawing X.
>>6522389
Which app made you this in? Looks very painterly and awesome. I kneel

I was going to post this on /msg/ but it isn't worthy, I just said fuck it and follow Robert Henri advice 1 week 1 reference do everything as quick as possible don't think too much. First time doing this kind of stuff digitally I've learnt a lot doing this. first day.

DVXRX

>>6522824
scary

>>6522824
dang bro, this is some synchronicity...think you did it much better though

>>6522739
Its more like propper technique

Thoughts on this Lain fanart?
Which background color looks best?

>>6522824
7/10 would shit myself.

>>6522842
Wrote one suggestion until I saw the flashlight. I would have accentuated the flashlight or the light it provides to make it more easily clear what's going on. Maybe darken the areas of the trees not hit by it so the difference in light becomes easier to notice. Tree on the same vertical of the flashlight wouldn't have been hit from the light all the way to the top for example. Darkening these areas would do a lot, same as darkening the girl. If the only lightsources are the moon and flashlight, her front area would be significantly darker. As it stands now, she looks out of place and is lighted as if you have car headlights outside of the image illuminating her, the trees and the monsters.

>>6522895
Second from top looks best from your selection. Danny Phantom Lain is ok, but the meatpacker hands stand out a bit too much. Keep working.

>>6522494
As always, post some of your work and then maybe we can give you pointer what you could do to improve.

Depending on starting point, could be a year. Everything depends on how much you grind and work. The peace you posted is by no means complicated or hard to reach, but if you don't invest time in studying the body you would have a hard time to recreate it.

Improvement takes time, don't get discouraged. Ironically regular lifting is the best analogy. Get better a bit every time, first by a huge leap, then a slow grind. Being in it every day, you'll never notice how much better you get.

The more you attack your own weakspots with training, the more you could alleviate the worst parts about your drawing. Do both faster gestures and slower studies of bodies.

this gesture drawing shit is actually fun

>>6522920
gonna make it!

is paintable worth it

>>6522928
ctrlpaint is free

>>6522922
based vilppu

>>6522931
yeah but they apparently have crit sessions every month so idk

How should I shade her shirt?

>>6522959
A bit of shadow in the armpits and under her breasts. Move on to the next one.

Going right back to basics. Taking advice in using shapes to reconstruct a form. I used a 3d model feature and then reconstructed the pose with lines, flat shapes, and then 3d shapes. How is it?

need to show face but it's too hard

face is too hard
:
oh. I know, this is previous frame

>>6522382
Gotta grind gotta grind

What's the quickest way to learn how to draw porn as an absolute beginner?

>>6522981
Same way for everyone, sadly. Learn to draw the human figure, learn to paint it as good as possible. It's not fast in a general sense. Pic related, current WIP.

>>6522965
if you're doing this as construction practice you should try to keep the lines neat and tidy. these hazy bits where you've redrawn it in 5-10 slightly different offsets hides the mistakes from yourself.
i do this sometimes too, but you have to try to break the habit.

also draw through for every form, treat it like a wireframe picture. (in your picture, draw out the forms of the torso and leg of the back figure). it makes it much easier to spot inconsistencies between ends of a partly occluded object.

Did a master study of an artist.

>>6522494
One thousand hours.

some 5 minute gestures i actually feel okay posting

critique and embarrass me anons

>>6522990
post ref

Mist wolf character design wip

any critique?

Got 4 likes. What am I doing wrong?

>>6522382
Hello anons, Is copying other people's drawings (with the sole purpose of learning) sufficient to help me improve my skills or do I need a more methodical approach?

>>6522676
show us what you mean by jagged if you're too lazy try turning on the dreaded stroke smoothing that /ic/ brainlets hate so much because they're retarded

Hey guys, could someone draw the pelvis on this drawing (Rizdraws on twitter)? And by the way something looks off and I can't tell what it is.

>>6522965
kill yourself, royce

>>6523034
perspective’s fucked on the high leg, as is the anatomy
no, I will not redline some rando’s drawings for a random faggot who didn’t draw them

>>6523034
How about you draw the pelvis on this drawing and we'll tell you if you're understanding what you see correctly.

>>6523045
Huh ok I'll try

Here lol

>>6523054
too small and detached

>>6523015
you're not drawing fan art

and what you did with ribcage wtf

>>6523023
It's a good way imo, and a lot more motivation than methological/academic approaches
I think the best way is to copy mostly, and learn a LITTLE theory, then try to apply it to the copies you do/original works

>>6523056
>>6523058
I told you I'm not good, this is why I'm asking, I just want to understand

>>6523023
Copying is good, but it's not the best idea to only do it. You can, for example:
Copy some piece you like.
Try to make something of your own inspired by said piece.
Analyze where you didn't do a good job and make smaller training project, where you try to get it right.
Then copy something else you enjoy.

>>6523056
If I drew without caring about the drawing I would've done this

>>6523069
I think your instinct is the way to go.

>>6523070
kek

>>6523070
So joke aside it's more correct?

>>6523069
dude just draw a fucking box

>>6523072
I think it looks more likely yes.

>>6523076
Ok thanks but that would mean the drawing is really incorrect because when I try to follow the body it's doesn't look good at all

this is how it works :3

>>6523057
>he doesn't know about robot jones
NGMIIIII

>>6523102
Nobody else does apparently.

>>6522906
maybe not dark enough idk

something about tomoko seems off to me if anyone could elucidate it for me, pls

>>6522915
>post some of your work
Already did >>6522498 and here's also some trad doodles for more examples of my "average". Drawing quickly but efficently + having a solid foundation on what I want is what I am striving for technique-wise, and the art mutual I used as an example is pretty skilled and very fast at coming up with competent 20/30(?) minutes lineart only doodles with decent fundies behind it as well as more complex pieces. My biggest problems by comparison is that I am kind of too methodical and overfocus on construction, which makes simple looking end results taking more time than they would realistically take if done by a more competent artist. The biggest thing I might need to study is probably gesture + how to draw shapes and form better and more quickly in general.

Or maybe I'm just obsessing with reaching out people who have more experience and skill than me as quickly as I can. Who knows.

>>6523126
remove moon

>>6523128
but i like to draw the moon -_-...

>>6523130
moon is fine just not this time :]

>>6523127
For reference, here's what I mean by piece with effort behind it vs quick lineart done under 1 hours on average by the same artist. Even if I'm not exactly "that far", this is objectively more technical and competent than what I can do as of now and done quicker to boot.

>>6523126
Atmosphere instantly better.
Tomoko's right arm and hand might need some adjustment. Forearm looks a smidgen too long and don't think the shape is quite right. Hand also too flat, but it's kind of a tough angle to make it right in a stylized way.
You could still experiment with Tomoko's light or darkness. If you like the moon, maybe add it the highlights from the moon, but it's a difficult call. I like your current iteration and it's possible you could screw up what you already have.
Adding those green fireflies(?) was a good call to make the dark areas less boring to the eye.

>>6523127
My bad, didn't notice before.
>Or maybe I'm just obsessing with reaching out people who have more experience and skill than me as quickly as I can
Yes, you are. The more you work at it, the easier it gets to work faster. You should definitely both do faster and slower work as one feeds into the other. If you want to make comics, getting good at constructing form from all angles will go a long way for you. You seem to have some solid base where it wouldn't be surprising that you surpass the previously posted friends image in a year. What matters most is the "work at it" part.

>>6523106
nta but my zoomer alert is going off strong

>>6523153
Nop. Just not from the US.

my issue with the moon is not that it bad or lighting but it too distracting f
or no purpose, it is not based on deep knowledge just my feelings so you can ignore it :]

I've been doing gesture for so long but I don't understand why I haven't been improving, what am I missing? I have no idea what I should be focusing on or what I should be learning right now so I default to is gesture and it annoys the shit out of me because I feel like I'm missing something extremely important before I move onto this step.

>>6523127
Your guy suffers from anterior pelvic tilt.

>>6523162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI
Push every drawing to a more finished state than the previous.

>>6523162
Gesture drawing is over hyped to new people

Build your fundamentals first so you can correctly interpret what you see. You should be able to make decent recreation during a study, also understand perspective well enough to figure out where things are in relation to each other, anatomy helps because you'll better recognize even subtle shifts in the body.

As part of practice take a gesture, either one you think you did well on during study or imagination practice, and try to make a figure drawing out of it. Just doing mindless gestures is dumb, your end point should be taking these gestures and making more out of them. You learn these skills to incorporate them into your workflow, if you only do the first step it isn't going to do anything for you further on in the process.

>>6522801
Thanks! I'm glad I'm able to pull off the painterly feel, I draw in clip studio paint only. Drawing everything on one layer (like traditional painting) helps too.

>>6523162
If you're plateauing, you need to change the exercise or increase the weight.

>>6522382
I'm not that confident with my line art but friends told me my colors are alright

2nd Monthly Pic that $5/month supporters got to vote the girls in. Daisy refereeing Tomoe vs Yumi&Freia,

>>6523187
Judging from those, which set of fundamentals do you think I should work on right now?

I'm new to nsfw stuff and wondering if it is possible to do this full time as a job in the future... cause it is fun and i can see myself enojoying it.
Is the nsfw market doomed cause of ai and stuff?

>>6521116
Here's tip, since you're stubborn. There's no such thing as a front facing pose, at least in the way that you're attempting to draw it. It will look uncanny and out of place because an upright standing human DOES NOT form an upright standing plane. The hips tilt forward, the back curves away, shoulders can be angled in or out, the thighs will also rotate in or out. These details are more or less up to you depending on your level of stylization, but even a character directly facing the camera, arms at their sides, produces all sorts of minor occlusions and indications of depth that bring a drawing to life. When you're drawing an incredibly simplified style like a lot of beginners drawing anime do, you have to FIGHT to get some depth in there whether that's adding in detail or taking the time to actually master construction of the basic shapes. Your body is made up of spheres and cylinders, and as a general rule of thumb, only one of them is ever going to be flat to the camera's perspective. The others will have minor amounts of tilt, bits of edge or underside revealed, and becoming aware of that and representing that will give your drawing considerably more life.

Also learn some basic points of reference on the body. Wrist line should be at the crotch, and that alone would clean up your sketch significantly. Take a look at your favorite mannequin or proportion chart and see what lines up with what. Elbows reaching the bottom of the ribcage might not seem useful for dynamic poses, but once you learn to rotate the spheres and cylinders more comfortably these quick and dirty reference points will help you to work faster.

>>6523238
maybe you can exagerate the poses, I like how kinnikuman does it.

>>6523268
no, as long as there are perverts with money the market will be there.

Does anyone have a link for the Krenz guide? i don't even know how it's called.

>>6522998
bump
pls anons

>>6522998
think about the rhythm on the figure, you are focusing too much on the outline

started painting this from imagination because i wanted to see if i can come up with a consistent light source and i see that's a long way from here should I finish it?

>>6523162
As the other anon said. Stop drawing these small gestures for now. They're imo good training to get the flow a figure right, let's assume you've peaked at it for now.

Get a good picture of a naked human and draw that. Fullbody, as much time as you feel comfortable investing in. After that you can start judging what you need to work on.

If you've only been doing gestures, you are likely to be limited on construction, anatomy or rendering. Afterwards try dissecting your drawings weakspots. If you didn't "get" how a part of the body is drawn, draw that part. Repeat until you can comfortably draw a human figure from imagination.

>>6523427
If you have to ask, don't you already know? If you're having fun with it then yes. If no, then no.

>>6523230
Colors are good. Stylization is wonky noodles, especially for arms. You could try copying an artist you enjoy of similar style, see if you cannot learn from that.

>>6522998
Yep these are gestures.

loose study and just doodling for tonight
maybe ill practice some watercolor

>>6523230
Basil and Sunny's kid???

>>6523430
Thanks buddy, feels nice hearing that. I got a lot to work on then. I feel like I have gesture down for capturing actions but I struggle with everything else like construction/anatomy and proportion, which is what I was focusing on with those gesture drawings (proportion). I also was trying to think about negative space since I never really did that until now for measurements and proportions.

>>6523453
Once you get used to the feedback loop of "try something new" and "improve what you're bad at", you're pretty much set for life. If you get bored of just drawing nudes, try drawing basically whatever you want. Every bit of frustration, lack of understanding how it's made is your queue to try and study said subject. Save painting/drawing you think are cool, try and recreate them. Same process as for drawing your own stuff.
The process is simple to describe, but the devil is in the details of "how".

some work from last night
whats a good book or vidoe for learning hands? I've got a copy of hogarth lined up

>>6523475
rn im experimenting trying to get down the landmarks via ribcage and asis point on the pelvis. I'll send pics later in the day when the lighting is better so people can critique. Liking what I have so far, I remember getting to this point before I went on a hiatus for gbo2 and dnd. it's burning some rust off.

Tried copying using Bargue tips. I aligned the result with the reference after finishing. You are not supposed to place them together when copying or am I doing it wrong by only relying on reference lines? Maybe it is better to draw lines on the original and then copy them before starting laying down the features?

How does this look so far?
This drawing is brought to you by spite.

>>6522382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TabyBRhjtk

>6523498
If you want to draw this shit out of spite and it looks this retarded maybe you should go back to twitter
her hair looks like turds on her scalp and her curls are too big by her face.

hands are annoying me currently because i never tried, what are some great artists that draws very good hands, so i can copy them?

>>6523477

>>6522989
so more cleaner right? and with different angels?

>>6523548
Paste the lineart over the reference to see the differences.

>>6523548
forehead and neck too long

>>6523503
king of begs

>>6523420
Have you studied vilppu? If you haven't read his manual and you will be God tier by the end of it

>>6523498
Looks good. Head to /draw/. More people know how to paint there.

>>6523015
people don't usually like porn as much as they do SFW stuff. Maybe they enjoy it but when you start liking and retweeting that stuff that's all the algorithm shows you for several days. Not to mention most normies are mutuals with IRL friends, nobody wants to admit they beat it to robot /ss/ no matter how based it is.

I'm unironically thinking about making a script blocking certain people during work hours, it's at least the fifth time I get caught with weird shit on my screen during lunch break just because half the guys I follow are porn artists and I'm not checking who's in the room before scolling, there's only so much pages of lolixshota catgirl femdom I can put through the company's wifi before the sysadmin notices

Here I am wondering what the hell I am doing sometimes. Am I doing it right?

>>6523604
learn vanishing points, use reference of solids with good lighting (well define core shadow).

>>6523615
yeah. but the problem that I have....It just gets too messy and confusing.

>>6523631
use your layers? make a layer for your vanishing points and use a light color or turn the opacity down and draw the shapes on a new layer

>>6523634
Yeah I use layers. as well as references and 3d models. and constructing 3d pieces for drawing.

>>6523634
I am just trying to find a way to get back to basics, but its getting more of a challenge to do

I can confidently say that I am no longer /beg/ tier.

Do ya'll agree?

>>6523653
I can confidently say that I am no longer /beg/ tier.

Do ya'll agree?

How do I into figure drawing

>>6523661
https://www.imagefap.com/gallery/6885888

now get to work.

>>6523653
render your shit and do lineart, gesture studies are worthless

Holy shit this thing is taking forever.
Fuck I forgot to draw her neck

>>6523653
These drawings do not demonstrate any particular understanding of the fundamentals other than basic construction and perspective. The bar for leaving /beg/ is pretty high these days but I'm sure that if you continue to apply yourself to the fundamentals, as you had to just to reach this level, you'll get there eventually. Try to learn some anatomy, and apply greater detail to your subjects. Pick up rendering, let's see you put your subjects in light and shadow. If these kinds of drawings are really the only thing you want to do, there's still plenty of room for improvement. It's obvious that there are some parts of the body you're not entirely comfortable with yet. Remember to draw things other than humans, objects have gesture.

>>6523674
that is a STRONK gal right there

>>6523653
>>6523656
mid beg

>>6523656
Wow I had no idea thight and calf inner side muscle were connected like that. I'm gonna check it now

>>6523683
Yeah I kinda got overboard with her arm muscles, maybe I'll tone it down later

>>6523433
Yeah I haven't really practiced my anatomy that much, I find it really difficult on where to start.

I try to copy Eiichiro Oda's style especially with the coloring style, but it feels so stiff when it comes to the bodies and poses

>>6523653
>>6523656

draw from imagination

>>6523674

one of the reason why I prefer painting shapes. I hate drawing details I prefer implying details.

>>6523674
>Missing details and shapes.

I know that feel friend. put a lot of work and surprise surprise, you are missing a detail.

>tfw still shit at spherical forms
I'm always proud of at least one I drew during a given session, I think I just need more practice.

>>6523653
>>6523656
bretty good

refs?

>>6523716
Yeah I could had done that, and probably I will do it next time, but this one started as a pencil drawing, so there was no way to not crosshatch my way until the end, apart redoing it from scratch
>>6523723
I postponed it because I couldn't find a ref for the wrinkles I wanted, and completely forgot about it.
Also, I got an idea to cover the neck and cut the corner
Too bad I noticed another thing that needs to be fixed. Sheesh
I'm going to draw something easy next

>>6523731
nice

babby's first perspective attempt, lemme know what i could change/do next time

Posting here to get more feedback. Would like some critique on the shading. It looks muddy to me. How can I improve it? (Didn't render out most of the image. Just the chest. For reasons.)

>>6523750
draw the eye level, then remember that you can't see the tops of things above eye level, can't see the bottoms of things below eye level
would try to start with getting the blocks/cylinders of the body and limbs right first
a lot of people have trouble with low angle view of the head, that is probably something to study later too

>6523427
ok. now add sun

Am i the only one that has those days when I am feeling like a top artist one day and then feeling like chris chan's art the next?

>>6523662
I just don't really get how to properly construct people, I understand how the body is supposed to simplified but my attemtps to do so are garbage.
Just ends up looking like a stickfigure made out of tubes and rectangles.

>>6523731
>пиздeц
:D

>>6523761
>would try to start with getting the blocks/cylinders of the body and limbs right first
huh, i thought i was doing alright (aside from the hands), but alrighty. thank you for the help anon

>>6523779
No happens to me too, basically every day
Most pros are like that also from what I know. Embrace it. It's literally what keeps you going

I drew this girl awhile ago, and I was planning on giving her braided-like hair. It wasn’t working. Any tips on drawing more textured, tightly-braided hair.

No I'm always aware how much I'm nothing top. But I'm enjoing myself most of the time. When it come up as super crap is usually just funny how bad it is.

>>6522456
it ain't the brushes I'm afraid

>>6523814
1. find pictures of braids
2. draw all of them
...
6. You now know how to express braids

>>6523581
Thank but nobody goes on /draw/. Here’s and update.

>>6523835
not a fan of the hair style it doesnt fit at all azula personality, Black azula would totally rock an amasunzu kind style, stop being racist dude

First time trying faces with loomis. Shit's hard yo

>>6523851
Kek, it was made as a low quality rage bait for some fag.

>>6523577
i haven’t read it yet. it’s on my reading list i’m just working through other books right now. i just do gestures for my daily drawing when i can’t think of anything else to draw. hope they look okay :]

>>6523859
You're not ready for loomis
Learn accuracy, basic perspective, and cross-contour lines first.

>>6523861
then for max butthurt change the hair for himba tribe style, but actually that's an interesting idea to explore clay + fire kek

>>6523731
what is this? krenz?

>>6523865
>not ready for loomis
lol

>>6523870
Based af. I’ll be sure to do that in later iterations. I’m gonna make them in the style of Avatar just for seething. You know a lot of tribal hairstyles. Do you draw em?

I am trying to see if I can set up a good looming pose or something that can show that there is gonna be a big match. Any suggestions?

>>6523927
Over the shoulder shot or crank up the distortion

>>6523922
I'm a sucker for anthropology and archaeology, and hairstyles are fascinating across cultures. atm I don't draw them I'm still grinding fundies in the futures it will be on the top of things I will draw hopefully.

>>6523941
Can you elaborate on what you mean by distortion? Over the shoulder I can get behind, but I want to a good view on the ass as well.

>>6523688
Its called creative stylization. It
works for me and looks good imo.

>>6523684
funny. Comedy at its finest.

>>6523677
Look at the other one I posted. The ones you are referring to were before I started to get better.

>>6523656

>>6523927
Tried something more.... dramatic

>>6523963
dunning kruger

>>6523964
I was referring to the entire set you fucking idiot.

Hello beg! Legs! And no it isnt a tranny despite it looking like one. It is just old school vandalism

>>6523967
aiming for caricature style? not deformed enough imho for that
>>6523859
ofc it is hard, its INT book after all. to draw something out of nothing thats a big beast to tackle
>>6523835
i like the golden hair ornament and the orange highlights, is this the power level of INT?
>>6523814
just as the other anon said: find reference of X, copy the X and boom: you can now somewhat draw X, in this case braided hair. Cute thot btw
>>6523779
i have good days and bad days. i think this happens to literally everybody in every activity there is, be it drawing or sport or school
>>6523756
the contrast could be better. i recommend just loading the pic in image editor and do color/filter > levels and then adjusting the curves until the image pop outs more. Alternatively add omega dark background
>>6523674
i kneel and at the same time i coom!
>>6523783
You need gesture training then. Nicolaides - Natural way to draw or Eviston: The Art and Science of Drawing. Nicolaides is more intuitive grindy approach, Eviston is maximum autism construction approach. Pick your poison i mean book
>>6523604
>hexagon instead of cylinder
never seen this before, what course are you following which is making you using hexagons?
>>6523550
Nice hatching anon
>>6523503
Nice and clean!
>>6523491
>bargue tips
What is that? Anyway good copy
>>6523441
cute shota
>>6523230
SOUL
>>6523014
the part where his butt ends and tail starts there is no indication that the tail is connected there, there are even hints of shadow implying the tail isnt connected. I suggest putting some black>white gradient there so it is visually connected. And add shadows to the ground>paws so he isnt floating. Otherwise its very cool pic

>>6523674
>>6523683

Great. Now I want to see her give birth to her minotaur rape baby.

>>6523691
Honestly I like how you gave her some nice muscles.

>>6523992
Well then I'm sorry friend, your just wrong. My anatomy and gesture on the second set is pretty good. Idk what your on buddy. How about you post some of your work then I'll give your words some validation?

>>6524038
>never seen this before, what course are you following which is making you using hexagons?

No course. Just trying to practice with shapes from Clip's 3d feature.

Portrait from life

>>6523653
>>6523656
The day you start lifting weights is the day you become forever small.

>>6524151
the fuck are to talking about?

>>6524148
like a twinkier ryan gosling

FUCK
I just wasted 3 months not drawing a single thing, and I was perfectly content. Now the desire to draw is coming back.

>>6524148
Not beg fuck off

>>6524162
this happens to me except it’s been on and off for years
yeah it’s greattt

>>6524162
>>6524166
Ngmi

>>6524166
same -_-

>>6524164
This is int threads now. go to not beg somewhere else

anyone know if art discord groups share other ppls art with eachother for jokes?
khyle, pantsu shitter and others liked one of my drawings, I don't use discord

>>6524195
Idk who any of those people are but if people are bullying you use that as motivation to get better

>>6524162
On and off and back on again. Next time come back faster.

>>6524196
I don't know if I'm getting memed on

>>6524196
no one is bullying him he just paranoid.

Speaking of taking breaks. Is there any evidence that a short break (1-2 weeks) after multiple months of study will make you better? I've found that when I take a break from something and come back I am better than before I took the break. Or is it just placebo?

>>6524210
no, it's always better to do something every day if you want to get better at it, every day you aren't doing something you are forgetting something. a break during painting or whatever is good to refocus your mind and come at it with fresh eyes, but the only way to get better is by doing.

>>6524208
nice
i

Is midpoint method to measure reference, described in Keys to Drawing actually any good? I feel like I'm becoming worse with it. I try to autistically measure every relation between every little thing, but the pieces NEVER fit together and instead everything looks misplased. I try measuring with pencil from my monitor and it obviously has margin of error, but I don't want to pull out a ruler and turn it into technical drafting or some shit. I feel like I can't find a balance between measuring and feeling what's right. I end up redrawing even simplest sketches dozens of times for hours and it still sucks. Right now I am drawing a portrait of my wife, so I can't post it. But I also did it with my previous drawing.

>>6524251
Whatever, I am just frustrated, because I am ultrabeg and I can't get good after 1.5 months of practice. I'll just keep grinding.

i wanna learn to draw kids and become a children’s illustrator but uhhh i don’t want to go the lolisho general plus all the links in their op are dead so. any tips?

>>6524251
I can't comment on what you're referring to, but that picture is pretty flat, learn the proportions of the human body as it relates to itself, and then visualize in your head those 3 dimensional shapes overlapping each other and how that affects their size, etc. as far as measuring things you basically just want your reference to be about the same size as the picture you are drawing if possible, the pencil trick wont work otherwise, you'd have to subconsciously calculate the ratios in your head and introduce errors most likely.

think of the body as 3d parts connected together rather than trying to replicate something flatly

>>6523402
bumpa
help

>>6524284
>>6520850

>>6524253
>1.5 months
Aha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
T_T
t. 3 years

Morning ladies, my plan for today is to spend at least 4 hours grinding figures

>>6524052
>nice muscles
I just hope it doesn't look too exaggerated, there's still a lot of work to do so I'm having a hard time looking at it objectively
>>6524038
>i kneel and at the same time i coom
Thanks anon

pic related is after about 30 min from start.
will I ever make it?

>>6524371
after 15 min. more:

I have similar picture but for different reasons :)

>>6524371
>>6524381
Go study torsos?

>>6524253
>>6524323
>tfw 40 years

>>6524396
pyw anon, if you do I'll post mine

>>6524371
>all those perspective lines
kek, you're overthinking it too much
I suggest grinding some boxes in simple perspective, it will help you immensely.
Right now you're too /beg/ to draw figures and faces

>>6524397
It's already here, the rape cow

>>6524371
is this what's like being a constructoid

>>6523872
Wha? No, figures are copies from hampton book and portraits are from imagination
>>6523749
Thanks

Is it alright to use male references to draw a female body? The pose I want has a dude in it

>>6524526
never do this or you will become gay

About two weeks of drawing everyday. Feels like it’s getting easier and the flow is a little better

>>6523674
looks nice anon but the bulls left leg is very wrong

>>6524529
Whew, thanks anon. Saved me from a bullet there

>>6524534
His left or the picture left?
Because yeah I noticed after posting that the legs are too different and the one on the right is too short

>>6524537
Many great masters were faggots tho, you might consider the power up

it depends on what to use reference means it can be anything from using it as reference to diligent copy. i first case you can using even micky mouse, depending on what are you looking for. in later case you need to account for some anatomical differences, for example woman usually do not have balls

>>6524371
bruh wtf are you doing

>>6524285
THANKS >:3 !

>>6524411
of course the boomer is a massive degenerate

>>6524345
Have fun famalam

>>6524394
where is this from? look's interesting.

shading looks too smooth
what can I do

>>6524764
Make harder transitions.

>>6524764
make it less smooth

how why shade in the vacuum at least fill base colors. weird

>>6523475
>>6523167
here's what I have so far, it's been neat. That vid was really helpful but I know i'll struggle with side and back views.

>>6524865
also did that funny shading thing and I think it looks really cool

>>6524764
Saw this in a video recently, use the lasso tool around places where the transition should be harsh, it lets you get an artificially hard edge on one side of the brush, or do an entire region of hard shading.

My arm keeps getting tired, and it's only been 9 minutes of drawing. I'm guessing this goes away with practice?

>>6524937
Tired?

Practicing rendering. How did it come out?
>>6524848
Looking good.

>>6524945
like when you need to go to sleep.

>>6524948
looks like you are in the right direction, keep practicing and you'll become good very soon

>>6524951
But just your arm?

>>6524865
>>6524868
Looks promising. Now try to make a fullbody drawing of a nude. Construction seems alright so far. Try to make said nude fit the whole page so you have to measure and construct. Render it as detailed as you like. Try to see how far your current skills can take you.

>>6524982
yes kapteyn

what krita brush will give me this textured, speckled but not splatters look

Hey guys I'm new here. Can anyone tell me what the term 'crab' means here? I see it a lot but I can't figure it out (I'm retarded).

>>6525001
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

>>6524948
Looks a tad unnatural with the colored spots on the face. Need a bit more experimentation, but generally looks ok.

>>6524937
It does, you just need to build stamina. Ignore the retard replying to you with questions, he doesn't draw

>>6525010
pyw

>>6524345
Based, I got an idea to use some of my JoJo figures to use as reference when drawing poses. Kinda fun

>>6524345
yo thats sick, how long have you been practicing?
t. total beg

Is it cute?

How do I make drawing feel good? I think it did a long time ago but now it doesn't. Nothing feels good really. Maybe it's depression.

>>6525217
dopamine detox

>>6525217
Show work.

what do you think anons
gave up on realistic shading and went for beg clip studio user techniques

>>6525246
face is flat, among other things. it's time to move on, anon.
stop polishing your turd and make a new drawing. thats how you get better

>>6525246
Have you flipped your image horizontally before doing your colouring

>>6525249
>face is flat
That's normal for asi*ns

>>6525246
What the fuck is a purodjuuseekasutera cake?
Also, your lighting is inconsistent and your face looks flat. The strongest part of your painting is the clothes; the folds look good.

>>6525306
Producer castella(?) cake.

NEW THREAD
>>6525320
>>6525320
>>6525320

>>6525194
Verry cute <3

>>6525238
Ok but why

>>6525246
The anatomy on this is a bit off.

>>6525357
What is this supposed to show?

>>6525339
You too comfortable in your comfort zone?

>>6525194
Lines too sharp, rounding them out would make it cuter. Keep going.

>>6525246
The shadows on her hands and neck look too much like gradients. Too soft where they shouldn't be, not describing the form well enough. Some refinement and it'll look plenty good, love.

>>6525339
NTA. If you're having trouble making drawing itself feel good, either you're not stimulated by the stuff you're making or you have some out of drawing problem you need to deal with.

>>6525357
You're too beg to redline other people's work, lol.

>>6525359
Your arm is unnaturally posed. The arm itself has poor anatomy. Hand is also bloated looking due to the coloring. The mouth is poorly drawn. Her features ie her eyes are drawn in a strange perspective.
Her lower body is smaller than the upper body. Her cranium is huge but also askew. This is because of the hair.
The redline was just to give her a more proportioned body.

>>6525386
It’s a lot harder to redline this since it obviously stylized and the pose is strange. I’m not trying to redraw it in a way that’s more fitting in my mind. Just more accurate. Feel free to redline it if you can.

>>6525397
>It’s a lot harder to redline this since it obviously stylized and the pose is strange
???

>>6525406
Anon bend your arm that way. See how far it goes. Does it feel natural?
Look at her hips. They’re significantly smaller than her shoulders.
Her left arm is warped. Why is her elbow so far out?

>>6524998
try with "hatch noisy"

Where do you guys stand on the 'don't erase while you're new' debate?

ssss

>>6526222
retarded IF you don't fix your drawing, its like learning mult tables and not fixing your mistakes