/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

well... at least it is a beginning, I guess.

well... at least it is a beginning, I guess.

Excuse my potentially retarded question but here I go.

How come when I color pick the skin color from the image on the left it blends perfectly back into the image but when I try to apply the color to my own drawing (bottom right) the skin tone looks darker? Using default round mixing brush in CSP

>>6518675
Because your drawing surface is the purest of white. The original image do not actually contain anything that white; look at the hat and the shirt, your brain tells you it's white, but it's not.

>>6518676

Oh, I see. Surface seems like a light gray on the image

Floating heads my eternal love

>>6518674
Not bad at all anon, i think you just gotta start foreshorten a bit more but its a good anatomy study. Keep it up

>>6518675
A and B is the same color.

>>6518675
>>6518692
Colors are a lie.

>>6518667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwfFv5KpJrk

Do people usually have to force themselves to draw or does it come easy? I'm at a point where I can't really make it but I can't really stop either.

>>6518755
Same. I just get the urge and draw for fun, but I dont have any end goal

>>6518675
dithering

Can I just try to copy poses from those websites with trillions of them for free to study figure drawing? I really can't buy a book right now for several reasons

>>6518667
The fuck? THIS is the /beg/ level now? What the hell happened?

>>6518785
It's fine I guess. Don't waste energy looking too long for things to draw, just draw.

>>6518675
Because the background is different. Colors 8and values) cannot "exist in a vacuum" one color can only be identified based on other colors.

Look at pic related, the small grey square in the center is the same on both sides yet next to a white background it appears dark and next to the black background it appears light.

Is the vilppu checklist the most based /beg/ advice?

>>6518795
They actually look the same to me on your pic, it's much more apparent here >>6518692

>>6518674
Now do it from memory

Sneed

Does anyone know of any cool gesture teachers beside Vilppu and Hampton? I don't find them very useful.

Working on pic related
Think I'm gonna shrink her head a little bit, and perhaps make the legs longer (doesn't look at bad irl, wtf)

this show funny

>>6518920
pose weight is off

>>6518940
perhaps

>>6518943
maybe you were going for something like this?

>>6518947
No, like this

More Krenz doing ze week 2

Third and final round. Copied all of Bridgman's Constructive anatomy.
Can't wait to do it again in a year to see how much I've improved.

>>6519072
Complete upload of of everything since saturday

GJNHM

>>6519072
>>6519086
alright now actually draw something.

>>6519089
wasn't thinking and didnt realise i accidentally put the captcha in the post :/

>>6519092
god i was staring at it trying to decipher what new acronym /ic/ came up with that i missed it

>>6519086
Your dedication is inspiring anon.

>Pixiv now has like three tags used for human art
>I just say half my chicken scratching is AI and laugh like a retard

>>6519091
Fuck off

>>6519091
Shoo shoo crab

>>6519140
kino study

>>6518868
There is the Force guy, Michael Mattesi. Otherwise, maybe some of the Disney or animation stuff. Drawn to Life, The Illusion of Life, Walt Stanchfield.

Are you cheating yourself if you redline a reference before attempting to draw it?

>>6519173
what?? no, man, of course not.

>>6519089
Facial plane angle is inconsistent with the eyes, but not bad.

>>6519140
>He doesn't upload literally all /beg/ creations to make the ai worse
Ngmi

>DAB says to draw crumpled paper from reference with no direction as to how to do so
>try to do so, nothing looks right
>apparently this is a sign that, if it isn't clicking, you should just fucking give up on drawing (>>6485711)
Shit, is this true? I genuinely enjoy drawing a lot and have been doing it every day, but I guess it's possible for your brain just to not be wired properly for it?

rate my proompt is this /beg/

I'm so mad. I fucked up so bad I can't continue.
Any tips on actually staying on reference? I've never done bookwork before, so I've never really learned how to study a figure. I redlined afterwards as a checkpoint, hence the overlay.
Am I supposed to actually sketch out the face with circles and shit Before I start? Why is it so fucked up.

Hello beg, FEEEEEEEET!

>>6519274
yes, you are kinda expected to do fast sketch / gesture of the reference first to ensure the proportions, perspective and curves are roughly correct before going in and rendering. Only pros with decades worth of experience can skip this step. Just fix the shit and continue.
>>6519269
>that cum stain
I see this study was very intensive anon
>>6519251
DAB is horrible beg trap designed to make people quit drawing so there is less competition in the art market
>>6519140
very good one
>>6519086
i kneel
>>6518865
soulful. the only weird part is how guy on left isnt anime (as much as) but the girl is very anime. Is this intentional? Are they supposed to be like different race?
>>6518787
while you were shitposting about ai we were training observation, while you were slacking off we studied perspective and now that crabs are at our gates you dare to come here to ask us for help? PYW!
>>6518785
did you know you can pirate books anon? And yes there are plenty of websites for that like this one quickposes.com
>>6518755
>cant stop drawing
Sounds like you switched on the GMI mode!

>>6519289
>you are kinda expected to do fast sketch
I had no idea. I generally don't sketch my work very much. Thx

>>6518787
>What the hell happened?
/int/ merge. it's in the thread anme

>>6518690
A bit of painting then some more sketches

Does this look okay so far?

>>6519072
>>6519086
nice job anon, gmi

just testing new brushes

It's supposed to be a woman

no

Could anyone rate my loomis attempts?

Give me any tips would be appreciated. I've read some of Fun with a Pencil, and the Head and Heads book up until he started adding details (which i dont care about at this stage)

>>6519145
>>6519151
How is he crabbing?
intense practice with no finished pieces is like dedicating your life to a sport but never competing

>>6519145
>>6519151
Bridgman anon here.
He's not crabbing me, he's right. After all this practice I should try to apply what I've learned.
>>6519407
Pretty much. Will be back later today or during the week with a full drawing

>>6519308
Yeah i think so

>>6519308
It's too chicken scratchy. Try to make longer, more confident lines along the shapes.

>>6519417
Ahhh good, thanks!
>>6519427
Oh I know the lines are shit, I'm just checking to see if the overall shape is good before I finalize it like pic related.

>>6519274
>Am I supposed to actually sketch out the face with circles and shit Before I start?
it'll help if you do a bit. at least a few straight lines and indicators of where some features begin and end.

>Any tips on actually staying on reference?
try some accuracy training, and depending on your approach, you may like to start your drawing with an envelope and then subdividing into constituent shapes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJO1LnjXpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPywXVsRKT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ0lz7W0CYs

knowing facial anatomy helps, too. it helps you spot fuck ups sooner. do that, and paint lots of skulls if you feel like it.

>>6519430
... Based.

finished it

>>6519433
;)

i cannot imagine why i would ever want to fucking do this

>>6519444
actually the entire perspective section in this book is giving me a headache. i just finished reading perspective made easy, wtf, this shit is NOT easy!! loomis is making me feel like a dumbfuck!!

I'm thinking about painting some watercolor backgrounds and drawing some marker characters then composing them together digitally.
Is there anyone I can look to as an example of how to do this sort of thing or am I on my own here?

>>6519444
>>6519452
Take it from someone who did the 150 hours of Erik Olson
Just study Krenz perspective or Will Weston composition course

>>6519430
>cute small thing in pain being cared for by a pretty woman
MY NICHE KINK HNNNGGHH

Does anyone have any good advice for animu eyes? I feel like there's something I'm just not getting.

>>6519468
>MY NICHE KINK
Sounds more like repressed trauma

After many years this is my best level of drawing, pls some advice for improve my ¨eye copy¨ skill and like always, your critique.

>>6519471
what the difference?

>>6519471
All kinks are repressed trauma anon

>>6519470
These seem perfectly fine to me anon. I genuinely don't know what else you need.

>>6519470
Pairs of floating eyes are useless without the frame of the head.

>>6519471
AND? MOMMY MILKY FTW

>>6519444
Retard.

>>6519416
>>6519091
>>6519407
I tried making a Hercules chasing the Ceryneian Hind, but accidentally gave him the Chad walk.

>>6519444
ultimate ngmi method

>>6519481
I don't know either, I just feel like when I paint eyes they never look good.
>>6519488
Fair enough, here's another drawing I did based off a study. I really feel like the eyes are the worst.

>>6519592
I genuinely can't find anything wrong with these eyes. The only thing I find "wrong" about the drawing is colour and I can't really give any advuce on that.

>>6519592
>I really feel like the eyes are the worst
The irises are different shapes.

When laying out a scene, how do i decide on the "lens type" to use and the distance the "camera" or "viewer" should be from the main object or person in the scene? Is there a guide or book that teaches the different feelings/effects achieved by different lens types?

>>6519673
. you are author. operator and director

>>6519673
Try searching for photo/film tutorials centered around angles, lenses, etc on youtube or something. I assume the effects would carry over into drawing as well.

any help with the left arm?

>>6518868
Krenz Rhythm Course teaches a different approach to gesture that I find useful

>>6519431
Research Krenz "CSI" method for a simplified appraoch to the academic block-in-method the other anon recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214 (just text search for "CSI" in different courses)

>>6519673
Scott Robertson mentions it a bit in How to Draw. Framed Ink too. Photography and cinematography resources can be useful too. Study artists that you like how they frame their shots.

>>6519690
Neck and far side shoulder/arm looks weird.

need advice, hope its not too offtopic, don't want to shit up the catalogue by starting a new thread
I have never done commissions, do the prices look acceptable?

>>6519715
the price is whatever the customer is willing to pay
>a lot of people want it
price too low
>no one wants it
price too high

>>6519715
Try it. Then decrease or increase based on workload. Adjust as you see fit along the way.

>>6519405
it's too soon for you to be drawing people, do some simple 3d objects

>>6519405

get photos of fit bald models instead. it's easier to see.

>>6518868

steve huston

>>6519683
>>6519688
>>6519695
Thanks guys. Good advice.

>Photography and cinematography resources
At first look this book seems good: "Cinematography: Theory and Practice: Image Making for Cinematographers, Directors, and Videographers". It has a chapter on "lens language". Any other specific resources you like?

>>6519695
Also i feel like a dumdum, but how would i go about breaking this down step by step?
>identify horizon
>redline some lines converging to it
Then what? Compare the result to some blender-generated image of which i know the lens type?

>>6519738
I think just considering what you feel each drawing needs to convey is how you decide. Mobius likes his landscapes so he'll pull the "camera" back to give the land room to shine.

>>6519430
incredible piece. it mixes the perfect amount of cute and sexy with just a smidgen of cringe, making it the hottest piece of art ive seen in a very long time. Bravo, anon, bravo.

I think I am starting to understand how to rotate boxes and not make them feel floaty, Krenz course is pretty cool

>>6519396
That is a really long neck.

>>6519805
There's like 3 mikufags in this thread

10 mins loomis warmup
i dunno, i slap the circles and shit down like he says and try and form shapes off them and it just never turns out good. what the actual fuck is this.

attempt #2, miniscule improvement.
its hard to get motivated drawing ugly old cartoon men but i tried my best.

>>6519867
Go find something that you'd rather draw instead.

>>6519824
have you try it with pen and paper?

>>6519866
are you drawing that wrap from a reference or did you make it up? the construction of it doesn't make sense

still beg but I like drawing peach. Not sure how to structure anatomy yet

>>6519824
>>6519867
go and do 100 loomies before you change to something else

Is it just me, or is NMA near fucking unusable do to how badly their website is programmed? Paid courses will just randomly hang when you try to load them and it happens often.

Switched over to pen and paper and loomis heads are so much easier compared to doing it on my tablet for some reason. I'm gonna stop doing detailing for now because it kinda feels like a waste of time since i don't know and just min max anatomy and perspective until i can do it blind. We're all gonna make it bros

>>6520048
brush size, friction and motor skills I have this problem too.

>>6519289
>the only weird part is how guy on left isnt anime (as much as) but the girl is very anime. Is this intentional? Are they supposed to be like different race?
not that anon but kimblee (left) is from fullmetal alchemist. other than the eyes being a little too rounded he's mostly on model for the show
i don't actually recognize the other girl other than her being vaguely familiar, but she's prolly just from a "more anime" anime than fma

>>6520048
Good idea Anon. Separate dude but I recommend just doing traditional on the weekdays and digital on the weekends.

>>6519911
it is from here

>>6518667
Aqua no no
Agua si si

>>6519435
sovl

>>6519577
what do you mean?

>>6519917
The anatomy doesn’t look to terrible, just try to get rid the the scratchy lines

>>6520144
Ahem *cough fuck design fags that focus on line quality.

That being said, since original Anon is using digital, just go in with another ink layer and get rid of the other layers.

Even easier with edge detection.

That is all.

*Mic drop

>>6520146
There's nothing wrong with having messy lines as long as it doesn't detract from the piece, but in that drawing it does. It makes it look lazy and it seems like the artist doesn't actually know what they're doing so they can't be confident enough to make longer solid lines.

>>6519917
is her ass supposed to be tilted

>>6520146
>line quality doesn't matter
kill yourself

>>6520159
Who are you quoting? He said the line art can be finished by doing in a layer above? You sketch out the construction and then do the line art.

>>6520162
your construction should still have clear, confident, lines

>>6520166
Nope boyo. Only matters for the line layer.

>>6520146
Based

>>6520113
ngmi

Hey can someone help me with this? Looks off and I can't really tell why. The red lines are tension the blue lines are where the fabric falls off at and the yellow is the concave of the fabric. Thanks!

Where do I go from here? (to make it look even more 3d and rendered)

>>6520240
without rendering

>>6519405
It's kinda hard to understand Loomis stuff when the its a most frontal view of the face. One tip though is to imagine the minor axis of the ellipse is the line from the edge of the eyebrow to the base of the ear. I would suggest doing some more where the the model is at a 3/4 view that way you can work on understanding the side plane of the head better. DON'T STOP KEEP GOING!! You can do it!

>>6519274
Like the mass reply anon said a quick gesture sketch the get the scrunch of the mouth along with the other features can save you a lot of time.

>>6519459
I want to say Kirby Leem does this. If you look at his art most of it is landscapes with tiny characters. He even reuses some characters in different landscape pieces. Look him up on ArtStation.

>>6519472
When I want to improve my observation skills I just grab photos of random streets online and work on matching the angles of the buildings and such. The only thing I can really critique on this is that the accuracy is off since your were trying to do a copy. Another tip is to Trace, Draw with Reference, and then Draw from Memory. After each step lay your piece over your reference and see what's off. Keep going you can make it!

>>6519673
One of Kino's books either Kind Drawing or Dynamic drawing go suuuuuuper in depth about different lenses when doing perspective stuff.

i understand the importance of perspective, and that it’s important in every aspect of a work of a work of art, from props to backgrounds to characters to shading. but do i really need to learn ADVANCED perspective if i have no interest in drawing detailed backgrounds and landscapes? i’m more interested in character design.

>>6519801
VERY NICE anon! Keep it up those forms look and feel realllllly nice!

>>6520146
I hope you don't talk like that irl. Probably the most cringe thing I've ever seen on this site please stop.

>>6520274
Not really. A lot of people on this board think that to be an artist you must know and master every single aspect of art but if you just want to draw characters and nothing else then study skills that let you do that.

>>6519574
kind of looks like something a Renaissance master would have drawn at age 6, which isn't really an insult, just keep plugging away for another 20 years and you'll be a master. That's encouraging! Just don't die.

>>6520274
perspective helps with foreshorten poses, if you going to just draw static poses then you probably don't need to learn it.

>>6520231
Eat shit.

>>6520282
i read all of perspective made easy, working through the exercises, i think that would help with foreshortened poses. i meant more detailed/complex courses like robertson’s book or krenz’s course.

>>6519690
try the pose yourself, it might help a bit.
the forearm is a little too long and the upper arm a little too short. when i do the pose my forearm angles in towards my wrist. also if they're supposed to be putting gloves on tightly, consider rearranging the pose a little. when i adjust my gloves my thumb indexes under the front of the glove/back of my hand. my elbow is also angled a little bit downwards so that it's easier to pull on the glove. that also means the right arm would be turned more inwards so that the fist is facing more towards the chin. you can adjust gloves the way you have it drawn, but it really only feels like you're getting your last 3 fingers while missing the index and thumb
either way though that's just from the way i do wear gloves. you should find a pair and try it yourself in front of a mirror (bunny ears optional)

>>6520287
if you have a basic understanding of perspective then you can do what you want and go back to the other courses later on if you feel you need it.

>>6520274
What advanced is? You need to be able to construct set of similar sized boxes on common plane in 3p and learn some divisions. and how elipsyses works. from rules.
box and cylinder freeform rotation from practice. It will cover most of needs
""detailed" do not means more rules, it mostly means more work
two boxes ot 2000 boxes in scene works with same rules.

>>6519941
They are working on a new version of the site, you can try it here.
https://www.nma.art/v3/course-catalog/

drawing is cool

hey /ic/ do you like these tits?

bump, need crit

>>6520242
>>6520240

Hello beg, i drew hands! The biggest enemy of artists since like forever.

>>6520365
they dont really match the rest of the body. hint: big booba needs to be accompanied by bigger body frame. Otherwise you risk them looking like they were done on operation table
>>6520274
idk what perspective books are even about but thats exactly why i am planning of making 2~3 of them after i will finish this bargue. I am very curious how can people write 200 pages long book about something other books summarized on 2 pages
>>6520240
now BLEND the soft edges. I like it btw
>>6520113
interesting pose, thumbs up!
>>6520048
the reason is because as kid you were forced to spend 99999 hours drawing (writing) on paper at various schools. Thats why for everybody paper feels easier and safer than tablet. There is also chance you simply have shit tablet lmao
>>6519805
god dammit if she wasnt floating in a vacuum i would kneel. Good job!
>>6519592
cute and soulful
>>6519472
solid. i have no advice besides draw more and dont skip textures like her shirt motive
>>6519444
this is how engineers were taught drawing before invention of AutoCAD. Its for the rare times where precision is needed above anything else
>>6519383
your test mogs me

wtf is this true?? i can be a /3/fag too?

>>6520463
>big booba needs to be accompanied by bigger body frame
got it, thanks anon

>>6520463
you're improving alot, Pawell-kun. But don't worry about slowing down and trying to be even more accurate. Bargues take a long time

>>6519086
Good work. I did the first 100 pages of Bridgman in January and have seen massive improvement. The sections of the neck and head are slowing me down a little.

I drew a thing :DDD

>>6520491
someone asked for this today too

Observational drawing gotta be the most boring shit out there

>>6519402
She's squatting on a dildo, right?

Hey guys, just recently bought my first tablet (small Wacom Intuos) and CSP Pro. I've had two issues that I need some assistance with.

1. In the Wacom Center I set my pen's second button to be the eraser in CSP. However, it only seems to work some of the time and I have no idea why. I hold it down and the cursor changes to the eraser circle thingy but it only works half the time. What gives?

2. How do I change the pen pressure to be different for different tools? I like the pencil tool to require me to not press down too hard to make dark marks, but I don't want this setting applying to the pen tools as well.

And I guess I had a third question while I'm at it, will I get used to the hovering? It feels hard to be accurate with my tablet right now because of the pen moving around the cursor when I'm not touching the tablet, is this just something you get used to? Thanks.

feel form harder

>>6520273
Thanks, but I can't seem to find anything on google, libgen or warosu when looking for "kino kind drawing" / "kino dynamic drawing". What's the full title & author name. Or does anyone have a link?

>>6520536
> And I guess I had a third question while I'm at it, will I get used to the hovering? It feels hard to be accurate with my tablet right now because of the pen moving around the cursor when I'm not touching the tablet, is this just something you get used to? Thanks.
yes
i haven’t used a tablet in ages… i still have it but i switched to an ipad. i think it’s cute when people get their first tablets and aren’t used to it. not in a demeaning way more like a proud parent kind of way.
sorry i can’t answer your first two questions i haven’t touched those settings in ages.

>>6519752
AAAAH thank you anon!! That really means a lot :]

Finally finished it. What do you guys think?

>he pen moving around the cursor when I'm not touching the tablet,
on a screenless it is greatedst thing, imagine if it not. like not having cursor at all. wtf. never drawn on screens though

>>6520564
He meant Rino as in Rinotuna - Kind Drawing and Rinotuna - Dynamic Drawing.
You can find them here >>6512213

>>6520571
don’t quite understand the bright pink nips

>>6520582
I made them have a bit more natural color. As for why they aren't dark like the rest of her I just really like pink nipples. Do they look better this way?

>>6520577
Lovely. Thank you <3

>>6520275
Thanks Anon!

how does the character placement and perspective look? there's a lot of cleanup to do but I wanted to check if it's shit first

>>6520648
The kitchen countertop/stove area seems very low, and the chair closest to us looks odd. So proportion problems.

I believe there unreasonable amount of verticals distortions compare to everything else. like you can leave it but I believe point need to be much further down. This opinion is not based on any calculation.

>>6520595
>I just really like pink nipples
based coomer bro
as they say
if your nipples ain't pink then your genes stink

>>6520680
This. Cute pink nips >>>>>>> dark nips

why it on completely black womanlike. this is what create effect of wierd not like anyone is against pink

I'm completely demoralized. No point in undertaking any project because i know i'll fail.

>>6520736
The only failure is not doing anything

>>6520740
yeah, i that's what i meant. I never go through with my ideas

>>6520648
Not bad. Foot placement of the woman leaning on the table near the center doesn't seem to follow proper perspective lines. Should be parallel to the table legs

>woman's Foot Should be parallel to the table legs
no such rule exist

>>6520283
Thanks anon I'll try my best not to die.
I think I'd make better drawings if I did things more slowly and methodically

>>6520749
Only when the floor is made of mud.

>>6520571
It looks like his foot is inside her. I think you should distinguish it visually from his leg

>>6520771
I was about to agree with you but you are wrong :]

Just another coomer trying to make other coommer coom.

is this good gesture?

>>6520793
Try smoother lines and take reference.
Check her torso and hands for example

I know what I should read, and I have most of it in person or on a computer.
What should I do to practice every day? Just the stuff from the books? Some sort of generic warmups?

>>6520463
nice hands bro

>>6520463
I'll be honest, bruv. If I drew hands half as well as you did, I would call myself accomplished.

More Krenz, trying week 3 and some of 4. Learning lots from this course, but becoming a constructicon is hard

>>6520821
You're focusing too much on contour. Trying making gesture drawings where you do not lift the pencil from the paper (or equivalent) for one minute, and with a line representing each limb being set in the first five seconds; This is the exercise that Nicolaides, father of gesture drawing, recommends.

>>6520845
What is Krenz?

>>6520849
Krenz Cushart, its a Chinese (I believe) Illustrator with an amazing course on Perspective
Here it is if you want it
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881

>>6520850
Cool.

>>6520821
Its not bad but if you want to improve it, check the angle of the legs and head, you made them closer to vertical than they actually are

>>6520821

I'm feeling a bit sick. Do you usually force yourself to push through?

>>6520863
I take it easier or take that time to go over stuff previously learned

>>6520863
Yes.
That said, you can always spend the time more focused on study or simpler drills.

rough sketch but idk how to draw a guy holding a sword lol

>>6520877
>"guy holding sword"
>69000000 results
bruh

>>6520880
i'm using a reference but the anatomy still looks off

>>6520887
i'm not seeing anything that remotely looks like "anatomy" in your sketch

>>6520887
Your reference isn't supposed to hide the body that much and you're supposed to stick to said reference. No wonder it looks wonky.

>>6520897
yeah fair enough, I'm struggling to find a better reference but i'll keep looking

>>6520887
Try to trace the reference, and then draw it again next to the traced drawing. You will start noticing the differences

>>6520887
The shoulder can move a lot.

>>6520922
this great anon, I guess bottom left was the warm up? Maybe your hatching can be a little more consistent and variable.

Still doing horribly in terms of proportions, the pose is also very stiff, I feel like the way I sit has lead to me drawing at a weird skew since I'm not directly overlooking the paper but I'm not sure how to adjust that. Want to move to more dynamic poses but I'm stubborn and want to get a front facing pose acceptable first.

>>6520963
yeah I just struggle with hatching, is there any exercises I can do to improve my hatching?

>>6521116
https://youtu.be/roEQMpfRSTg?t=26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1eazrXi1Ho

>>6520740
Why draw if you have no objective to look forward too?

Hehe i have done it

How do I render it so it isn't so dark?

>>6521162
Use a blending layer set to color/saturation and fill it with white to check your values in greyscale while you work
I thought you posted a pure black picture at first holy shit

>>6521127
alphonso dunn have some videos about this, many of the things he shows look pretty similar to things I did when I was a child learning calligraphy...

>>6521166
Thanks for the help

>>6521168
No probs
Can't wait to see it done, I can see a little and I think when we get to see what it you intend it'll be interesting

>>6521162
Where and what is your light source.

>>6521143
I like it, looks like a cute, chubby and funny gf

Keys to Drawing. Reclining Figure (Foreshortened).
Barely had time to draw last week, so it actually took me almost 10 days.
Even though I (somewhat) correctly measured midpoints as described in the book, I had a feeling something is not right all the time. I only understood why at the very end. I "moved the camera", closer to the model and the perspective should've changed, but it stayed the same, so it looks unnatural.
Also form sucks, especially her ribcage, it just looks flat, it has no volume and I can't pinpoint why exactly.
There are many details missing, because honestly I burned out on this particular drawing and I am just glad I finished it and can move after being so sluggish for 10 days.

Day 10, Studied some loomis heads, and anatomy. Drew Giorno and tried to apply what i learned. Really fun day desu. WAGMI bros

>>6520673
ahhhh yes yes you're right. thanks.

>>6520747
mm yes, indeed. I'll keep working on it!

Maybe one day it'll work

>>6520821
this is zero gesture

The hell is going on with my art?

Study from Weichun Xiao book and some random doodles

>>6521443
You have no sense of anatomy or proportions. Did you use ANY ref?

>>6521487
>You have no sense of anatomy or proportions
this is not true

currently i learn to draw / paint by using my onyx boox nova air with superdisplay (to make it work as a graphictablet). i use gimp and i'm still relativ new to painting.. so critique is welcome.

>>6521512
Cute

I just downloaded Loomis's drawing the heads book. How the fuck can he draw heads this well? It literally looks like photo's and not drawings.

>>6519592
The irises are different shapes and the shading/lighting of the eyes look wobbly (though the lighting principles are spot-on, it just looks rough). Honestly though, the eyes are not what sticks out to me here. The difference in line thickness really sticks out with the chin and it gives it a weird appearance. Also the alignment of the chin/mouth looks off and needs adjusting in lieu of the mouth shape. Honestly just from experience, getting that part right is one of the biggest hurdles for people aspiring to draw anime. Also when it comes to line drawing, if you're going for a rough sketchy style make it apparent, otherwise the rough edges on just comes across as laziness in people's eyes. Basically pick a style that suits you, whether it's more sketchy/freehand or if you want clean linework (I know it's a study but it's something to take note when you're finalizing your line art).

I apologize if I sound like I'm ragging on you, but I'm only critiquing because I can tell that you have potential in getting this right. Pic-rel might help in illustrating my suggestions. I made an edit with the adjustments but I feel bad about editing someone else's work without their permission unless you're okay with me posting it.

>>6521487
Not this time. Compared to the other times i used refs

is this a good pose?

no girl

not like this

Is this anatomically correct?
I feel like the neck is wrong but it can also be right

>>6521570
Here's my two second fix, though if I were to invest more time in it, I'd most likely go looking for a strong model pose reference, rather than trying to wing it.

The major issue is the left shoulder. For the head to be that far forwards, the left shoulder would need to also come forwards, since the right one is being pulled back so far. The shoulders have to twist along with the torso. So the left shoulder should be right under the torso, and it looks like you made the arm way to long, so I pushed it in, making the elbow also tucked under the body since the upper arm shouldn't be that long.

I think it's salvageable, though it is a tough pose to do without strong reference.

>>6521581
It's not mine. I'm just wondering if the neck is right. I feel really uncomfortable looking at the neck and wondering if it can bend that far from the spine

>>6521570
it's correct enough to not matter

>>6521591
Ok, if you guys say so
I'll draw it later

Hey can someone give me some critique on this? Main asking for advice on Line Weight, Line Economy, and Hatching.

>>6520922
Awesome work anon!

>>6521596
>Main asking for advice on Line Weight, Line Economy, and Hatching.
My advice is, none of those things matter at this moment, because you've got like six or seven lines scribbled on a canvas.

You've basically just taken the skillet out of your cupboard, and asked people to critique the meal you're going to eventually cook. Do your drawing first, and worry about critique once you've actually drawn something.

>>6521596

Line Weight - doing nothing
Hatching. - nonsensical and ugly do not do it
Line Economy - did you run out of lines

>>6521596
>line economy
What?

>>6521622
Some dumb shit newbies pick up, probably to do with like, speed gesture drawings or something.

>>6519464
I love Will Weston so fucking much

>>6521596
this >>6521603, keep going, speed up finish it and then redo it, gotta go fast!

>>6521622
basically to not overwork a piece, to be succinct

this probably isn’t /beg/ related but procreate is so frustrating… i’m probably wrong about this but it feels faster/more intuitive than other ipad apps like medibang or whatever. but it’s missing so much. i used sai 2 in the past and i guess it was a luxury to have both a straight ruler and ellipse ruler that could manipulate however you’d like. and a proper selection tool that also had a shrink and expand option!! and a proper monoline outline brush (you can have an outline brush, NOT a monoline brush at all). as time goes on i find more and more that i cannot do. ok sorry that’s my entire blogpost.

idk how to finish it

>>6518800
What's the checklist again?

>>6521693
Gesture
Proportion/measurement
Verticals
Horizontals
Diagonals
Arcs
Positive and Negative shape

He always says if you follow this list closely and seriously you will have an accurate drawing

How do I do torsos/rib cages?
From what I've seen the cage extends to 4/5 between head 2 and 3

I think it looks kind of like that

ignore schizo text. the three heads kind of look like 3 different characters but at least I see what's wrong with them

bros im gmi trust

>>6521705
you're doing fine for the torso. You might want to study up on your skull, though

copycopy

I dont understand how relfective surfaces like leather or metal work, it always ends up looking like some fucked up candy.

>>6521808
Also, what is the quickest rendering technique thats not cel shading

>>6521539
Thanks anon for the pointers on where I need to work on. I did move the mouth around a lot because I wasn't confident on the positioning but I was more fixated on the eyes. I don't mind you posting the adjusted version, I'd rather you post it if it will help me see clearly what I should be trying to improve. Also do you have any advice on making a rough line style look good?

If I want to draw anime coombait for money, will actually going through the Loomis book as a beginner help get me there? It's really boring and the style he draws in isn't very interesting.

>>6521825
>It's really boring and the style he draws in isn't very interesting.
your same face anime garbage is boring. never say that about my king again.

>>6521825
Before you specialise in something you have to cover the basics. Every radiologist still knows the basics of medicine.
If you're an absolute beginner you'll need to know the basics that applies to all art before specialising in anime coom. Besides, anime is an abstraction of reality so understanding how to draw real people will only help you to understand and draw anime.

>>6521825
do krenz instead

I'm someone who gets obsessed about practice and autistically bash my head against it until it's over.
Erik Olson, or Krenz?

>>6521831
I wish I was like this.

>>6521831
Krenz

Not sure why I come here, I don't really have any hope of improving and I'm not looking for a critique. Maybe I just can't let go.

>>6521851
Is his stuff on the /ic/ torrent?

>>6521855
>>6520850
You don't need to watch any videos, just read that website

>>6521831
I just procrastinate and dread everything until I actually start and get into le "flow state"

>>6521808
I would tell you tog o read scott robertson's how to render shit but you got bigger problems Mr.Sam HydeMyHands

>>6521873
i admit the way i draw hands needs some work, but im. not pathologically afraid of drawing hands
>>6521811

What do I need to improve on for next time?

I'm tired as fuck of working on the same drawing, its taking me too fucking long holy fuck I'm going crazy I have still like 25-30% of lineart to do, then values and painting it
FUCK I WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE

>>6521882
Figure out how the arm connects to the torso, and sort out your weak ass anime face. And your rendering is gross.

>>6521882
Give your character a nose. Get face proportions right. Use some perspective for the body. Finally, work on drapery.

>>6520845
So I need to copy and understand all of krenz examples week by week?

>>6521828
What particularly about krenz? Is there some book or something I should go after first?

>>6521188
I was going for something like this

>>6521172
At the end I gave it the gloomy and dark effect with a greenish tone that isn't so dark.
Personally I like it.

>>6521906
yeah
it has homework assigments
>>6521912
Its just the more practical approach to perspective, the stuff they'd actually teach you at a good art school keeping up with modern industry instead of 50 year of methods for painters like Erik Olson does

>>6521825
There's no thing more godless out there than moe shit drawn with the loomis method

>>6521312

Laziness is completely undefeatable. I never had a chance.

>>6521312

>>6521312
>>6521989
how the fuck do people draw on a completely white background

I dont know why i fuck up every single portrait

>>6522029
What's the matter? Not inclusive enough for racial minorities?

>>6522056
Maybe post the image aswell?
Also that doesn't look fucked up or beyond the sketching stage.

I deserve way more (You)s man its not fair

Jk……unless

>>6522056
Looks pretty cute.
What did you fuck up?
I'm not trying to butter you up, I'm curious as to what you fucked up. I'm an amateur (still drawing objects IRL phase).

>>6522069
>>6522088
left sketch turned into right as I gave up more realistic proportions in the middle of it because of how ugly it was looking

>>6521882

figure, anatomy, construction and taste.

>>6522105
what is it that you dont like, what are you seeing?

>>6521811

build up form with grayscale then colorized with layer adjustment + a bit of post processing at the end. This is fastest that I know if you're not familiar with colors. if you know colors then just start slapping colors and build forms at the same time.

>>6522105
i think you're still symbol drawing over observing

>>6522105
Why do people get nose rings. Never in the history of humanity has anyone looked more attractive with a nose ring than they would have without one.

>>6521622

don't chicken scratch, don't scribble. know what you're drawing and place line where it needs to be. It's like someone who talks too much instead of getting to the point. Keep it simple, efficient and be conscious on what you put on paper.

>>6521623

you're a newbie yourself if you don't know what line economy is.

>>6521570

Just try that position when you have sex with someone. You'll see the shoulder blade does pops out like that. Anyone who tries to fix this is full of shit. Because the artist probably used a real photo ref instead of guessing which goes where.

>>6521824
Here's an idea of the possible adjustments I was referring to. It's not much but with a few simple tweaks, you're basically on the right track.

>Also do you have any advice on making a rough line style look good?
I'll answer this in my next post.

>>6522105
Does her mouth actually look like it's bending down like a cartoon to you?

>>6522060
no you retard
it's burning me eyes

>>6521824
>>6522134
>Also do you have any advice on making a rough line style look good?
This can vary from artist to artist, so I can only impart basic pointers and tips. One good way to look at it is that each contour can be broken up by strong confident lines. Make it a habit that each stroke reaches a cutoff point to make distinct shapes instead of "scratching" your way through the outline. Remember you want your lines to look bold and confident, not wobbly or scared of itself.

If you're doing vague outlines to grasp forms/anatomy, it's okay to start rough since you're still new. But the more experience you develop doing this, the more you'll find yourself doing sketches with confident lines on the fly. So instead of making your lines flow smoothly into each other, you're forming shapes with each stroke which is what creates that "rough" style to your lines.

Pic-related is a basic example of what I'm trying to explain. You can get more creative with your linework over time as you develop your own style too.

>>6521979
What did he mean by this

>>6522178

What level am I lads? what should I be working on the most?
Goal is to be well rounded enough to pencil and ink comics.

>>6522200
Low /beg/. Maybe even pre /beg/
Read keys to drawing.
Draw more

>>6522200
Seemingly overly confident low beg.

>>6522180
Now post the anime girl under it

>>6522230

>>6522225
>>6522223
Thanks for the reality check guys, I`ll keep practicing and I'll study Keys to Drawing!

Doodling, and now to do some time figure drawings and then watercolor practice

>>6522241
timed*

>>6522238
You mentioned you wanted to do comics, checkout "Understanding Comics" by scott mccloud.
And learn some head construction methods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FMc0dFqt8c

should i get firmly comfortable with still lifes before starting to try figure drawing or should i do both at the same time?

>>6522238
Good attitude anon

>>6522180
>>6522232
How would you learn to draw moe shit then?

>>6522272
Anime is just symbol draw reality

>>6522276
what

>>6522247
I will definitely do that, thank you so much for replying to me and for giving me directions. I genuinely appreciate it.
I really want to improve and its overwhelming at times.

>>6522105
Looks like you stretched her lips.

>>6518865
That’s the guy from fma?

>>6519690
I’d add more folds and wrinkles to the shirt

Gotta finish more drawings. Does anyone knkw a good colouring/rendering video course?

Been busy with school

Still haven't gotten the hang of lighting. I know this kind of sucks but I spent a while trying to make the skin and booba look good. Feedback would be appreciated.

>>6522200
beg, symbol drawing with chickenscratch and proportion problems. the sticky should help, also check out loomis for faces and work on line work and proportion. if you're serious about it you should be able to make pretty good progress in a year.

>>6521570
>>6521581
instead of turning the upper body and hiding the left shoulder, I'd just move the head back. Agree with fixanon about the head, just think in your edit, at that angle, the RIGHT shoulder would show more of the front of the deltoid (my redline). Hope that makes sense. Either way, it's not that bad and most people will fap away anyway

>>6522382
>>6522382
>>6522382

>>6521570
her her is difficult to distinguish from the bedsheets because they're both red. try making the sheets blue or green so there some contrast. nice drawing though and very sexy

>>6522385
I meant hair sorry

>>6522358
damn anon, you're definitely starting to FEEEL the from, but I'd work on the lines and push the roundness of the succulent, juicy melons. make us want to eat it like a christmas HAM

>>6522385
most likely author was aware of what they doing

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