/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Tried to copy the old drummer at a metal concert I saw this week from memory.

>>6512874

>Sketch is going very well, hand is flowing and going about easily
>Do the lineart
>Everything looks dull, flat and static
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6512880
if ur sketch doesnt sell the forms your lines wont either u dont even need to be fancy with ur lineart

>>6512880
Post it.
It's probably lineweight in the lineart.

>>6512880
take the line sketch pill

>>6512885
I managed to fix it a bit by adding hatches.

is it important to draw from reality rather than photos when starting out?

>>6512920
arent photos real?

>>6512933
you know what I mean

>>6512962
draw from life, get your art terminology right and yes, if you can, its better

I know I kinda fucked up the top of the drawing.

>>6512920
>is it important to draw from reality
Yes
> rather than photos
No

Tesr

loved this art, very soulful

>>6512992
what do you mean when you say "yes" and "no"?

>>6512920
Modern cameras basically capture reality as it is so a photo is fine
Honestly to me a photo is ideal because its completely static
Reality moves around and so do you, so you might accidentally warp the perspective throughout the duration of your drawing
Thats just my opinion tho, either way is fine really

>>6512980
Hatching looks really cool

How useful is copying other people's drawings as a beginner? Can it help with skills like measurement and proportion?

>>6513073
It can defenitly be usefull.
But balance in all thins.
Try not to just copy it aswell but understand the underlying forms and structure.
Try breaking it down into simple forms and then copy pver it on another layer.

I cant draw this fucking car, i just cant, i'm so bad at drawing

I've saved pretty much everything I've drawn (including practice exercises) to both hold myself accountable for low effort drawings and to be able to look back and see how far I've come. But I keep giving up on drawing after a couple of weeks each time, so now my first drawing is several years old and I haven't really improved much. It makes me a little disappointed, but I'm gonna make it. Even if it takes me decades, I will eventually learn how to draw.
Thank you for listening to my tedtalk.

This is breaking my brain. The first part says to draw three circles, then the second part has four. I can't tell if the topmost circle gets cut off and turned into the shoulder or if the middle circle does, with the topmost circle being the head.

>>6513209
the middle is one shape

Reposting this from last thread because I am an egotistical maniac
What do you think of her makeup, is it apparent that she's wearing a lot of makeup
I would also enjoy tips for rendering makeup and especially lips since the lips are flat

>>6513226
my tip for rendering is to learn to draw first

>create girls in nemusona
>sketch off of them
>reuse for later drawings
>???
>PROFIT

What do you thinnk about my Briggies.

>>6513282
that you are loosing volume especially on the hips. try drawing the three masses (head, ribcage, hips) as cubes and the into more organic forms. good job

whenever you feel like giving up, think of this picture, I made it for you

>>6513372
How will I be motivated when there's no bulge?

>>6513387
use ur imagination, artist

>>6513010
Yes draw from reality
No don't ignore your photo studies

>>6513431
Peristalsis<3

Is WW2 nose art good copy material?

>>6513453
if you are trying to do some pinups sure.

>>6513453
Nothin like good old fashion tiddies to convince a man to voluntarily get his limbs blown to smithereens. After that he’ll be swimming in puss.

>>6512980
Dont do hatching and crosshatching if you are going to scribble and not care about any of the lines.

- scribbling outside of lines should never happen. you routinely have lines crossing into other parts of the drawing. This is childlike mistakes coloring outside the lines tier. Easy fix is to practice line control. drawabox is a meme, but has stolen practice exercises in the first chapter or two for line control, ghosting lines, etc.
- lines are just thrown randomly without regards for the contour or plane of the object and routinely do not start or end at edges of plane they are rendering. its everywhere, but look right side vertical. the lines are so random in where they start and end even from line to line.
- spacing matters. you are creating gradients with line width and space between them. close together is darker. they should get farther apart as you go to imply the gradient of fading out to white or lighter shade. take horizontal sections at the top - you wanted it to be darker on the right curved side, but just add more lines randomly. its 'whiter' on the left, but the spacing is random. it then gets scribbly and darker but then randomly light in middle with the drastic change in spacing of lines. it doesnt read like light. just scribbles.
- cross hatching is a technique. its not just random lines. a good starting rule of point is to make your vertical and horizontals. once laid down pattern, angle so you hit every corner of the boxes. look at crosshatching up top. its just random angled lines. the spacing is drastically different every line. its just thrown lines with no thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJXCw9J9eFI

go through old richard friend archives. these arent random lines. they require thought. You are on the right path, but you are in a rush. inking is time consuming process.

something old that i cleaned up a bit so i can pretend i'm active on twitter
honestly i want to double down on the eroguro stuff and draw both men and girls but i have no idea how i'd find people who like that
>>6512880
>>6512910
main reason why i just never bother w/ lineart proper, i'd rather work on top of a sketch
doesn't look too bad, but i'd really try and thicken up some lines and spread out the hatching a bit
>>6513226
muddy shading + details like the hair, skin folds and the eyes all being black just throws off the entire thing's style
go back to the basics and try cel-shading first or do studies of artists you like/real people
>>6513431
cute
post blog

Where do you start to paint something like this?
Do you map out the horizon, and how do you determine where that goes?

Is perspective made easy worth it for learning things like these?

does anyone else have a big ass pureref file filled with inspo?

picrel not mine, just curious. i have one, it always motivates me or gives me ideas to draw when i’m feeling low or uninspired. would recommend to others, in fact i wish i made one sooner.

>>6513523
i just open hentai

do you guys have references i can download and access offline?

>>6513523
just keep a ref file per work

Does timed gesture actually improve anything? These took me about 5 minutes apiece, but I feel like this was more worthwhile than timed exercises.

anons i have an embarrassing confession to make i started drawabox in 2021 was on a good track to finishing it, then i stopped at the plants lesson and didn’t draw anything for like the entirety of 2022 while i was a freshman at college. i kind want to finish it but uhhhh i feel like i fucked up by stopping.

Hello beg, new and last beg book is upon me. It contains some omega fancy paintings in the begging i think i will skip these or save them for finish. I am not in mood to paint yet. I think this book will take me a month, it has a really cool pieces in it. The lore of it is also quite unusual for art book.

>>6513592
dont worry anon, drawbox filters almost everybody, pick actual good course or beg and restart the learning curve
>>6513549
according to nicolaides and eviston gesture is the most most important shit in the art universe and you need to do hundreds if not thousands of them to get it. The main goal of them is to exaggerate the movement in order to not produce lifeless boring diagrams. Other 3 art books didnt mention gesture at all.
>>6513537
artbook and or videocourses generals have 999 anons who dont draw, only hoard resources. I bet they have terabytes of what you want >>6460200
>>6513453
as long as the reference is better than your art output you are improving
>>6513208
>didnt PYW in his tedtalk
dissapointed
>>6513073
omega important, proper observation is the biggest fundie of them all
>>6512920
if you have the luxury of choice, drawing from real life should produce better results because human eye is still better than average camera + average display where you lose some information. But just using photos is good enough.

>>6512868
Never studied anatomy or anything, been meaning to learn for a while. Just some freehand based on my own posing while doodling.

>>6513610
use less lines

>>6513609
>dont worry anon, drawbox filters almost everybody, pick actual good course or beg and restart the learning curve
i wouldn’t say i was filtered… i almost finished it.. but in all seriousness i have dynamic sketching or whatever by peter han on my pc that i torrented back when i started. kinda looking forward to that.

>main goal of them is to exaggerate the movement
disagee. it can help to reproduse it or with cartooning but not main point of it. and it not even need to be a movement.

>>6513610
>>6513616
Noted. Also realized upon rotation that my proportions are shit because I was going off of idealized memory. Excess lines are an old habit from when I couldn't control my hands whatsoever.

This was very fun and satisfying to make.

>>6513609
Looking good.

>>6513453
I like it.

(WEBM) This was fun and very satisfying to make, and not at all like what I normally do.

>>6513609
Looking good pawell.

>>6513549
I think there's just a mileage benefit in being able to do a bunch of figures in a short time.

>>6513502
I like perspective made easy.

step seven of perspective made easy just broke my brain is there a video that explains it better

>>6513678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkp1xfWJ9n4
this guys videos has some pretty useful visualizations
you can also mess around with a tool like this
https://www.geogebra.org/m/CHQenyB2

I know it's not great, but can you see who it is supposed to be?

>>6513688
Arnold, right?

>>6513523
i wish i could but this thing is paid and i am not paying for that

>>6513708
It's free, select custom amount and put in $0.

>>6513700
Yes

Any tips for getting a natural understanding of 3d space and form ingrained in my skull so I can put my characters in most camera angles and add depth into my art and get rid of thile same camera angle everytime? Mechanical perspective is another thing entirely and I am not looking to draw environments much for now, and despite Dynamic Sketching being a good resource I'm not sure if the first few lessons are worth doing again.

>>6513622
friends, i also have framed perspective on my computer downloaded. has anyone read that? what’s it like? about the same as perspective made easy?

Commission pieces I'm working on. Mother-daughter wrestling and client's OC having Tifa in Muscle Buster set up while Camilla referees and takes a group selfie

>>6513719
do more studies

hi beg this is my work for tonight

>>6512868
Ok, I'm going to start with KTD and etc.

I'm aiming for digital art, but I should still make the exercises in paper right? would it hurt to make some sketches digitally sometimes?

>>6513764
You can do the excersises in digital. If you gonna be drawing with digi, the sooner you get accustomed to it, the better. No harm with oracticing åen and åaper but digital is just that much faster and faster you draw and work, the more experience you get

>>6513759
Really good work Anon. Gmi for sure

>>6513772
thanks, I'm asking because I did the first lessons or so of DAB (yeah I know) and it was heavily emphasized to use pen and paper

>>6509213
@thenamemaws, i dont post a lot though, will start

people draw these silly indicators but they are absolutly useless because they donot store important information about position and direction.
>But anon, I know exact position in my head
so it doing nothing

>>6513676
this rules

Warmups, 5min each

>>6512868
damn, why is everything in >>>/a/248705121 better than what gets posted in these threads

>>6513798
Lol I thought the same thing when I saw >>6513759

>>6513859
/beg/ is where people go to learn to draw
drawthreads are where people go once they already know how
retard

>>6513864
no need to sign your posts

it's still way better than what gets posted in this board somehow

Been drawing every day for a week now. Not much but trying to make a chain to build on

Either Krenz or the notes guy messed up here, or am I crazy?

>instead of 5:5 ratio, what is the more appealing ratio we should try to aim for?
>3:7
>where does the 3:7 ratio naturally occur in a human figure?
>a lot of vertical start and end positions naturally end up in a 3:7 ratio (golden ratio)
https://asgg.notion.site/week-7-3648b030c06241afbccc5f653e42503e

none of the ratios marked in the image are 3:7, and the golden ratio isn't 3:7 either, it's more like 1:1.618 oor 3:5 or 5:8

I'll ask here too because why not.
Anyone knowledgeable about perspective and perspective projections?
Is the diagram used here to calculate the cone of vision accurate?

>>6513859
> everything in >>>/a/248705121 better
not true

Been a real slob lately. Need to get back into it but it's hard.

>>6513874
Keep going

Haven't drawn in a while, I like how this one turned out.

"I like the way I fucked this up" is such a great feeling.

mistake

how do you reconcile
>interesting detailed character design
>what to put it in large scene where detail would be lost
just play around with thumbnails until you find the balance?

>>6514023
Silhouette and eye path

>>6513874
Trying to create a series based on the idea of being openminded

>>6512868
Still working on Cabins, trying to cement down Will Weston's first 3 weeks of Composition

>>6513081
You should try working with curves to make your poses less static overall looks nice especially the top of man 1

>>6513226
Lot of make up is not a problem but you should blend more the shadows to make the lips and cheeks less wonky the hair could be less sketchy too

>>6513282
Looks a bit bulky for some

>>6513489
Looks perfect to me except the arms are way too short it looks like his elbows are at pecs lengh

>>6513961
I’d make the hair bigger on the left side, try to map out her skull to build the hair

I need advice on the shirt shading and how to make the drawing less flat in general also regular criticism welcomed

>>6514037
Bored Apes ruined my image of primate portraits.

>>6513961
I ended up having a quick at your drawing I hope it makes sense of what I was saying about the left side of her head. Other change are more a matter of personal preference rather than actual criticism

>>6514314
Forgot pic

>>6513226
>>6513453
>>6513676
>>6513961

FUNDAMENTALS

I've been reading drawing lessons from the great masters when I'm not drawing. Does anyone know what he means by "concave lines", "concavities", etc. Isn't the whole drawing a concave?

>>6514368
They probably mean the lines aren't bending into the form when drawn. They're all outward strokes.

Is doing construction on top of a drawing or photo to study a good idea, or is it better to do it side by side?

supposed to be a scene in a bar
idfk what's ticking me off here exactly but something feels very off

>>6514432
side to side to learn.

>>6514441
Is there any use for doing things on top, or would it just be an inferior version of side by side?

>>6514368
concave and convex is a property of a line to basically express roundness or hollowness, in your pic an arching foot is convex at the
instep and concave on the sole.

>>6514455
you want to get into the habit of proportional drawing so when things get foreshorten you'll have an easier time. The only use for drawing on top is to copy the photo. Unless you want a copy it's okay if the drawing is off by a little.

Tips on drawing feminine/cute faces? I think I have trouble with it because of the way I draw eyes or something. Slapping on thick eyelashes after the fact doesn’t seem to help.

>>6514475
Have you tried drawing actual girls

I have been half assing my drawings lately

>>6514440
Feels like a flat composition. What's the story here? Is the focus the glasses, the people? Who would you focus on more if you had to choose? Answering these questions can help make the comp stronger.

>>6514475
peak femininity and cuteness.

>>6514478
I have tried, yes, but I do that mainly to practice my observation skills and keeping track of proportions and such. I'm not saying I'm good at cartoons either, though. I'm just not sure what to look out for in general other than the "woman round, man angular, big eyes cute" stuff you see in social media tutorials.
Of course I'm going to practice more with real women than with anime if that's what you're concerned about. I'm just wondering if there's anything specific I should keep in mind or look out for. I'm still working on fundamentals, mainly form right now, so this stuff is going to be pretty far down the line for me, but I'd like to start thinking about these things now to help with my motivation.
>>6514497
She's beautiful...

>>6513489
>>6514289
thank you anons

>>6514368
Fuck, he's right and I hate it, makes me feel gross.

>>6514456
>>6514405
>>6514518
Ok but what is a concave line? I don't get it. Sorry if I'm retarded

>>6514657
Open wide, here comes the airplane.

>>6514657
Not sure I see it but this is my literal undestanding

WIP that I am going to do with my necron warrior model as my reference. Just doing a quick sketch to begin with to get a "feel" of it first before doing a proper sketch.
Though what this has done is exposed how wonky my lines are when on digital. Any tips you anons can give me when it comes to digital drawing to simulate the resistance of pen and paper?

>>6514717

excuses. anyway, it's interesting observation and definitely adds fleshy feel to stuff. Will keep it mind.

I feel my eyes are a bit soulless still idk what to do

do ya'll have good torso/boob tutorials?
I have a bit of trouble drawing the torso/abdomen area and I wing it usually and it looks fine

Is it a good idea doing separate body parts from bridgman?
Also, how do you decide eye placement area reliably when copying? Most of the time I have to adjust it over and over.

>>6513884
>>6513884
>>6513884
Please respond!
Please respond!
Please respond!
Please respond!

I'm not sure if I'm going to properly shade/color this, mostly because I'm not sure how to transition from the lineart to shade. I did a little bit because it was fun but since it's black it looks pretty dull.

>>6514688
Ok I get it now thank you

>>6514770
Completely forgot to add, but any advice on designing clothes for this character, or any character?
Normally i draw her in blue pants/shorts but it looks like fuckin carl from aqua teen if i do that because of the color palette. Maybe this isn't the place to ask but clothing is so fucking hard for me I don't know shit about fashion.

>>6513884
>>6514759
impressive display of autism anon you're right the perspective isn't perfect. also is your z-axis right? doesnt seem to align with the fences, regardless i think youre worrying too much

>>6514770
I feel like I've seen your art somewhere before. I like it

>>6514792
Maybe, but most likely not. But thank you.

>>6514789
>is your z-axis right?
No, it's most likely this was freehanded and Tanaka winged it by adding very slight convergence of verticals, which would make this a very subtle three-point perspective setup (as in most photographs and life drawing situations; it's rare to have more than one axis aligned with the picture plane).
>impressive display of autism
Is it really? For all this board harps on about learning perspective, you rarely see anons get into the nitty gritty of it. But yeah, this was probably unnecessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZa1KKDZW5M
Trying to wrap my head about perspective, I thought this video was pretty good. But curious, how do you determine where to put the initial station paint he mentions? Seem to me you can put the cone wherever you want, the 60 degree lines from the paint don't seem to intersect the image plane at any particular place. Or is it as simple as using a compass, setting it to 60 degrees, make a circle around your paper and then from the horizon line tracking the lines down till you get them intersecting at a point with a 60 degree angle again?

Man I'd need a larger drawing table. to do that.

>>6514867
basically the stationpoint is where you are standing and looking at the 'scene' you are drawing. if you ever do a perspective drawing and the buildings look squished or stretched out too much even though all the lines hit vanishing points, its because they didnt understand the station point and cone of vision people have.

How the fuck do people make lines colored? Like in the linework phase you can see it's black but then after they've colored it, like magic, the lines are colored completely differently and go well with the colors of the work itself.
How do I do this?

>>6514883
layers
how to change color of line or any other pixels various ways exist

>>6513489
yo a reverse ryona chad? blog?

>>6514514
if you're going for cute anime girls then learn the fundies of a cat or kittens face, the general proportions help
also less is more when drawing women and it's mostly proportion and fundies

ADD brain here any other ADD niggas figure out how to draw?
Like start drawing or do something while drawing I can't draw if I'm not listening to something or watching a youtube video

it doesn't stimulate my brain like videogames
however coloring does, the first parts like construction is a slog

oh

>>6514883
have you heard of a clipping mask

>>6513676
HOLY DIMES

How does it look? Pls critique.

hi beg, here's some of my stuff from today.
>>6514711 nice necron
there are screen protectors that simulate the feel of paper
>>6514741
I like it
>>6514747
https://gvaat.com/blog/how-to-draw-the-human-torso-easier-an-illustrated-guide/#1
>>6514752
are you doing the david finch copy or just studying? I've learned a lot just about the neck from bridgman, I would imagine it's the same for the other body parts. your stuff is very nice

>>6515117
you are not drawing what you see instead what you think what you see. You are not thinking about rhythm and landmarks for example you did notice the sternocleidomastoid but your interpretation doesnt makes sense nor creates rhythm with it.

I would have used the clavicle to give a sense of 3d instead of the traps and omit more lines on the breast. What I really like is the left forearm its very 3d, try redoing this but using a greyscale filter on the reference

Some OC from yesterday.

>>6513733
Wish I had the dedication to draw perspective rulers like this but it drives me nuts.

>>6513523
My system is compiling all of my refs into A4 sheets and printing them off and putting them into folders to save on monitor real-estate. Do use pure-ref to compile collages for it tho.

>>6515123
Pretty and minimalistic. Checkout Brendan Swan on twitter he does similarly styled stuff.

>>6515133
Stuff from today.

>>6515134
Stuff from just now.

>>6515133
thanks anon
>Checkout Brendan Swan on twitter he does similarly styled stuff
do you have a link? I'm not on twitter and can't find anything

k

>>6515149
Oh my bad, its *Brenden Swan
https://twitter.com/Brenden_Swan

Here's some additional storyboards from last week, traditionally penciled and inked.

>>6515133
When the DMT hit

>>6514883
>lock transparency
>paint on top of the lines

>>6514316
Much better

am reading perspective made easy - does norling think i just have bricks laying around my house??

>>6515288
You don't?

>>6515288
>sketch some objects in sunlight
bro I wake up at 6 pm

>>6514316
good job

>>6514289
>You should try working with curves
I should, but not sure if I can yet.
>overall looks nice especially the top of man 1
Thanks that was the last sketch.

>>6515288
1939 was a different time anon. But I bet nearly everything you own is brick formed anyways.

I trace hands and paste them into my drawings. And I don’t give a fuck.

>>6512868
Progress on gesture since january, left to right.

there no any progress on gesture. some progress on figure drawing.

>>6514688
I like the concave person.

can someone tell me how i get my art to have "watercolor" coloring look in sai 2. like what textures do i use and what pen with what settings. (pic not me)

Just finished figure drawing for all its worth by loomis, now i guess i gotta practice...

>>6514688
i still don’t get it. why wouldn’t the sole of a foot, or arch of a back, be concave?

>>6514717
But it is 20 convex lines

>>6514741
Soulless eyes are soulful actually, see Tsutomu Nihei, Tatsuki Fujimoto etc.

>>6515336
Try it.

Warmups

perspective made easy is actually kinda fun, kinda mind blowing

>>6515402
Plus

Microwave time

Microwave time

>>6515447

>>6515565
Uncanny.

it is like I can see her shining brain

>>6515630
uncanny in a like, good way?

>>6515565
this is really cute wish i had your penmanship

>>6515699
thanks! i love the expression in your picture

Migraine doodles

>>6515739
Have you tried the advice I gave on migraines yet?

>>6515746
Not sure if its cause of the migraine, but I have no recollection of that

Hello beg, this book is kinda hardcore.

>>6515720
she cute, the skirt could use a bit more folds or form
>>6515565
anime and cute
>>6515308
i would say based but you didnt PYW so nobody believes it
>>6515288
just make your own paper model of cube
>>6515137
>hair forming a roof over forehead
>>6515117
you didnt draw the other hand, the head is in wrong angle
>>6514928
try "playing" cookie clicker while you draw, might do the trick
>>6514770
try copying some shaded picture to get an idea. Also you can shade by crosshatching which is basically lineart but more densely packed
>>6514752
you can cheat out eyes by drawing sphere and then cutting it in half. Eyes will be always in dead middle and the typical distance between them is width of 1 eye
>>6514289
looking good, i would add more darker tones to her hair
>>6514063
very clean hut
>>6513970
soul
>>6513744
i am jelly of your being able to make cash out of these
>>6513733
i kneel

>>6515741
Reminds me of pic related.

>>6514492
it's an after-work drink between two unlikely friends. i was really happy with how the guy turned out so i tried redoing the rest to make it look more focused and intimate. any better?
>>6514289
i knew the arms were fucked in some way
your rendering's good, but you should really try pushing your values a bit more. i also feel like the light's a bit meandering and unfocused, try fucking around with large swathes of dark and you'll be surprised by how good it'll look
>>6514901
most of it is just anime girls standing in placenatm, sorry. after this commission i'll post more ryona and gore
>>6515565
very cute! blog?

>>6515691
Like someone in a animegao suit.

>>6515824
oh no

What's a good desktop app for illustration? I've just been using Photoshop up to this point but the brush selection kind of sucks.

>>6515326
Does Loomis give exercises in his books or just information?

>>6515134
>>6515137
Touch of sameface but overall very soulful, I wish I was on your level, excellent work.

god the sticky is fucking awful
"just read a figure drawing book lmao"

Trying to simplify light and shadow, so I might get better at painting someday.

>>6515150
Cute face and body!

>>6515150
I like your value range on the right one.

>>6515841
he tells you how to do it step by step then he tells you to copy it using his method, it's pretty simple and i rec everyone to check it, just jump the outdated talk about working for advertisement companies

>>6515748
>Okay I’m currently furious that migraines are often so blindly easy to treat and I had to find this out myself at the age of 26 when I’ve been to a neurologist since I was 11 lol so I’m about to teach you two neat and fast little tricks to deal with pain!

>The first is the sternocleidomastoid muscle, or the SCM muscle.

>This big red section is responsible for pain around the eye, cheekbone, and jaw, as well as some temple pain. Literally all you have to do is angle your head down a little, angle it away from the side that hurts, and then you can gently pinch and rub that muscle. I find it best to start at the bottom and travel upwards. The relief is so immediate! You can increase pressure as you feel comfortable doing so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHRpaBzaLrc

>>6515748
>>6515872
>The second is a fast and easy stretch that soothes your vagus nerve, which is the nerve responsible for calming you down. The vagus nerve, for those unfamiliar, is stimulated by deep breathing such as yawning, sighing, singing, or taking a deep breath to calm your anger in a tense situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbowIy6kONY

i did the first three chapters of brent eviston's book but i still feel like i'm missing something

>>6515739
Are you by any chance using a screentablet?

>>6515911
Don't know the book. But I bet there's some helpful text to each exercise on what the goal of the exercise is.

fuck loomis, i am not having fun.

>>6515872
>>6515883
wtf
thanks for this

>>6516006
Too bad.

I feel like this is so terrible. I think I might even just restart

>>6516006
Try putting more thought into your shapes, a lot of this stuff looks symbol drawn. Those glasses on the right are awful.

>>6516020
kino

>>6516068
Nah man just keep drawing

>>6513719
Buona fortuna

Please visit the link it’s extremely important https://pastebin.com/svsfjW1s

>>6516141
thanks for the virus

trying to break out of my comfort zone, supposed to be a scene of two characters of mine fighting
>>6516068
honestly not that bad anon, the lighting in the sky gives me a bit of a spooky vibe. keep at it!

>>6515739
Nice ponies

>>6516141
nice concept for a novel, but /lit/ is 2 blocks to the right

How would you do the loomis head for this picture? I'm super new and i just can't grasp how to apply the loomis head to already existing artwork

Way over 1000 px but it's a jpg so it's fine...

I want to master perspectives soon

>>6516332
it wont master itself

>>6515837
Just get more brushes?

>found out I have aphantasia and am an npc
do I just kms myself?

>>6516366
I never understood how people who claim they have 'aphantasia' even get interested in learning art. If you can't envision absolutely anything you'd like to create, why would you want to spend literal years to learn how to create that nothing? Or do you just get inspired by a picture and think "I want to create exactly the same picture I'm looking at right now"?

>>6516387
NTA but for me it's weird, i can envision something but it only appears for a split second before going away. also you'd be surprised by how many people get into art just by seeing someone else's work and going "i wanna make something like that"

>>6516387
I still can imagine things but I just cant visualize them in my minds eye. but the latter yes, I get inspired by other works a lot and have loads of notes written down. I saw my cousins art when I was a child and I wanted to do art because of that. I want to create my own little worlds and tell stories through art, but I dont know if its possible now.

>>6516393
How do you imagine them then? Is it more like a story, or a series of descriptions, but you just can't actually imagine what it looks like?

>>6516392
>i can envision something but it only appears for a split second before going away
I think that's normal though. You need to draw something several times to solidify your understanding of that thing, and by understanding it, you solidify it in your mind as well. It's easier to imagine an apple and rotating it in your head than it is to do the same with a car engine. The apple you've seen a million times, seen it from different angles, you've touched it, felt it's weight, tasted it, etc. The engine you've most likely only seen briefly a couple of times over your lifetime. Your understanding of the objects is completly different. Often we want to draw things we know exists, but don't really have a good understanding of what they really are. So we end up with this brief 'glimpse' of that thing, rather than the actual thing. Also, understanding how one things works often helps you understand how other things work. Knowledge builds on knowledge. This is why a broad visual library is such an important thing. At least that's my understanding as a /beg/.

>>6516401
kind of like reading a novel when it goes into the description of what a character looks like, I can imagine the character existing in my head, but I cant visualize/see it like a picture in my mind.
when you and other nonaphants see a description of something can you actually visualize it like as if its an actual picture and can you put it in any position without being given the detail to do so? or can you only know/think about it from the description itself? this is hard to conjure in words lol
for example heres a description
>a girl in a blue dress and purple heels holding a red umbrella
I can imagine the character existing but cant visualize nor manipulate it in anyway

>>6516419
>Like as if its an actual picture
If I want to yeah.
Usually though I can just "feel" something in my mind. But also I can imagine the depth of things, when I draw I try to really understand how everything fits into place and how certain parts will come closer or move further away from ones eyes.
>or can you only know/think about it from the description itself
No
I was a bit confused from your other post and it seemed like you could 'see' things but I think I know what you mean because honestly I never have a "description" in my mind. Sometimes if I want to be consistent I can note it, but honestly the picture comes first and then I describe it with words. The only time it goes the other way is if I'm trying to think of something new and interesting.

I don't think this means it's over for you though. As vivid as my imagination is, my drawings rarely match what I see and it's usually pretty vague, and even if I can fuckin imagine an apple or intricate object, the picture is not as clear as it seems if I actually try to focus on anything. Usually it changes entirely and it's frustrating. My drawings are not a direct translation from the pictures in my head, rather these are both expressions of my imagination and are not necessarily connected, they both come from the same source though (Thinking of something)

>>6515311
good job anon, I recognize some of these poses. try to do more dynamic posing, torso bending and twisting, or arms and legs in unusual positions
this video helped me a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0Vkkc3Mgw&t=191s

>>6512868
Posting my contribution to the current towergirls drawthread. Not satisfied with the placement of the legs and would like to push the perspective more, but don´t know how to do it convincingly. Advice and redlining would be much appreciated

>>6516436
think people do get a bit confused a lot when they hear about aphantasia, because we can still imagine things but we only lack the visualization aspect. but thanks anon this was very enlightening conversation. so being nonaphant can have disadvantages of its own it sounds like almost? does help to have that because you can come up with some crazy stuff but it does sound frustrating I imagine when the final picture doesnt match what you had in mind.

>>6516447
Google images of people performing a back kick.

>>6512868

How to not become an artist
>Want to learn how to draw
>know that I will only get better at drawing by actually drawing things
>sitting down and actually drawing things is always a struggle
>start doubting if I actually want to learn how to draw
>give up
repeat every 6 months until death

drew this today

>>6516510
That's a you problem, I enjoy the struggle

>>6516535
arms and legs look wonky, did you use reference?

While catching up with my manga/comic list I found this particular page on golden boy that I just loved, I had to give a try. For me there is something french, japanese, latinoamerican about it, and as any japanese story the ending is shit but that page made it worth it for me lots of fun.

>>6516436
So, if I asked you to picture Ronald McDonald on a surfboard, and then asked you to tell me if he was surfing from right to left or left to right, you wouldn't be able to tell me?

>>6516286
Shade this

Tried this again.

Lately, I've been feeling like I've lost all my drawing abilities and motivation to get better.
I literally have to wipe dust off my Cintiq every time I try to make a simple sketch.

Anyone got any guides/resources on armpit/pubic hair?

>>6516604
I think you're struggling because you're trying to draw the form before you've got the simple shape down. Get the simple shape down first, then add dimensionality to it by defining the "front". Will Weston goes into more detail about this.

>>6516604
my attempt

>>6516591
I would because that's a very simple question.
If you asked me to draw the waves exactly as I see them, I couldn't.
>>6516599
Yes sir

>>6516605
take paper get out and do some thumbnails that always cheers me up

>>6516639
>I would because that's a very simple question.
So, you CAN see ronald in your head?
>If you asked me to draw the waves exactly as I see them, I couldn't.
Neither could anyone outside of a savant. That's not aphantasia.

>>6516645
>So, you CAN see ronald in your head?
I literally said I did
>That's not aphantasia.
Wrong anon, I was talking about my experience as a normalfag and trying to understand the aphanon.

>>6515911
Watching his videos might help.

>>6516648
god fucking dammit i replied to the wrong post initially. ignore me, everyone go home, i fucked it up

>>6516539
Here's an updated one that I found better reference

Tried sketching a binturong anthro, r8

Any tips ?

>>6516682
why are you still in /beg/, friend? i don’t mean to be rude but your stuff is just so good

>>6516443
Thanks, I've actually seen that video not too long ago.
Right now I'm following Marv Brunet's 1 year plan https://youtu.be/0NYqmhESI-Y
pretty much to a tee, so this month I need to do 80+ gesture drawings
of neutral poses, study 1-point perspective and study faces.

I'm not sure I'm doing the gesture drawing correct though, as I have a had time keeping it short and simple.

This one is mine too >>6513688

the day I become better than 100% of /ic/ is approaching...

>>6516736

>>6515975
No friend, I am using an Intuous large
>>6516154
Thanks, Anon
>>6515872
Thank you for the info, I am going to try this out next time they happen

Found a few minutes to pick up a pencil again, hopefully be able to get back into things and do the originals slightly more justice.
Low quality.

This was fun

i'm doing some of the harder perspective exercises with the perspective tool on procreate. is it cheating, or more like using a calculator?

>>6516794
do it freehand and then use the tools to check your work

>>6516798
yeah… yeah that makes more sense

>>6516792
mad gyno, fr fr.

>>6516819
Woman(female) with high testosterone

Use a reference next time, study the female body, or post your source.
>>6516820
It's not even mid, no cap.

>>6516821
Sorry to shit up the thread with corrections but woman(female) - Intersex - high testosterone. I didn't want to be specific at first because I felt like it was cringe. She's intentionally fucked up looking in that regard.
But is the overall anatomy alright otherwise?

5 minute figures for warmups
wow, 40 minutes went by fast

>>6516604
>>6516632
one thing is that you've both misinterpreted the orientation of her pelvis and ribcage, they're not parallel. Her ribcage is leaning away, so we shouldn't see the the top plane in a simplified form. Keep in mind tho that you shouldn't lean the ribcage tooo far back: She IS leaning forward so the ribcage will be more parallel with the viewer than normal. It's just that if you lean it too far forward, you're removing the Curve of the pose.

Decided to try doing what Frazetta said he did and copy Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy in one sitting. Sadly, I only got about halfway through.

>>6516840
GMI, but did you retain any of it? I feel like that's kind of like going "I want to learn Chinese, so I'll read the Chinese-English dictionary this weekend"

>>6516842
That's a good point, but a lot of drawing is learned through repetition. So I think I at least got a ton of practice out of it, which is valuable enough.
Challenging myself to do this got me drawing 6-8 hours in one day and having fun doing it, and that can't be useless. Plus, I feel like I really learned something about drawing hands.

>>6516658
Shoulders stick out too much and the neck looks like it isn't centered on the spine. Also try to do the pose yourself and see how unnatural it feels to do the peace sign with your arm held out like that, what feels more natural is to only lift your forearm.

if i have to read about eye level and viewpoints and planes and cubes any more i think i might blow my brains out

Trying to get into Gayhammer 420k art

>>6516849
I think the helmet should be taller, and hand position looks a bit off. But other than that, it wouldn't be out of place in a Space Marine codex.

>>6516849
Looks really cool anon
Now draw a titan

>>6516849
The sword holding hand looks a little mismatched, and the gun looks bendy. And there's some proportion things but that's probably just personal preferences.

>>6516849
kino

>>6516849
You should buy a model and draw it from different angles. Or ask /tg/ to take pics of their models for you.

>>6516849
I feel like more distinct shapes for some of the background elements would help polish this. The character could have a better color palette too, but this is pretty close to epic.

>>6516685
i want sex with him

>>6516691
If the smudging was unintentional, you can place a piece of paper under your hand so you don't accidentally smudge the lines underneath, although that piece of paper can lift off some of the graphite itself. You may want to get a kneaded eraser, it can lift off the graphite without tearing the paper. You can also form it into a point to erase small details. Steven Zapata's YouTube channel has some great videos on using graphite pencils. The face and hair look really great.

>>6516850
>>6516851
>>6516858
>>6516860
>>6516863
>>6516868
Thank you. I'll try to implement the criticisms to the best of my abilities in my next WH drawing.
And I actually have the models, but I need to pick them up from my old apartment. Will stop being lazy and get them soon.

>>6516832
Anon, are you sure that's right? Her upper body doesn't look tilted back to me, how would we be seeing the underside of the ribcage?

Ribcage somewhat level with the camera, pelvis pointing downward.

>>6516366
Why would you? It's not like you have any capacity for suffering.

>Wake up
>Draw non-sense
>Feel bad
>Wake up
>Study my favourite artists
>Feel good

I am retarded, but I learned something

>>6516824
The eyes don't look right. The hands seem a bit off too, as do the elbows. The narrow hips and broad shoulders make her (him (her)) look very masculine, almost exaggeratedly so, but I guess that's the point.
The whole thing looks a bit flat, composition-wise. I feel like the upper leg shouldn't be in the same plane with the rest of the body, but it is.

>>6516366
Don't worry anon, Proko is an NPC too and he's doing fine

The more I draw the more I realize that drawing is based so much on 'feeling' your way through shit, rather than learning the exact science behind it.

>>6516387
I'm literally trying to combine details from different other works, like a lego, to make something at least resembling something new. I don't feel original at all.

>>6517028
nothing is original

>>6516899
>>6516899
I was a bit misleading; the ~front plane~ of the ribcage is leaning back. The top plane of the ribcage leans forward a bit, and the bottom plane isn't just flat, so it's easy to get confused. See picrel for how i usualy simplify the planes of the ribcage.

Overall, i say you should think of it as leaning back, otherwise you risk flattening the curve, like in the two attempts i commented on.

>>6516832
you obviously cannot see the underside of the torso from this angle because she's leaning in
what they actually missed is how harshly the pelvis is rotated

>>6516736
>>6516737

desperate bump

>>6516840
Frazetta was a fucking liar, good as he was

https://www.posemaniacs.com/tools/thirtyseconds

Could this tool be useful for dynamic poses?

>>6516737
when drawing/posting this, what did you think was hot about this picture? The amputated limbs? The dicks pointed like guns? The grotesque linework?

>>6517243
nta but I find the shotguns dicks funny and absurd I love it much better than most work on /salt/ desu

is it normal to feel like you have to go through the same book again?

coudn't find rate thread, rate here pls
i know it's bad just tell me how bad it is

>>6517361
yeah it's funny but I don't think the anon intended it to be funny
We're laughing at him, not with him

>>6517378
Yes. You learn through repetition.

>>6517389
neck seems a bit weird, either too thin or too long, can't really tell since i'm a turbo /beg/ myself
that being said, i really like the detail put on the lit end of the cigarette, looks really cool

>>6516737

>>6517392
I'm laughing with him, he's great

>>6517449
He didn't intend it to be funny, so he's not laughing

>>6517544
Why don't you ask him

>>6517544
Oh im laughing all right. Just not for the reason you think. (You are the head of the joke).

beg. bargue. this book will be long and dragged
out but i like the neoclassicism reject anime, return to rome!

>>6518135
I was going to do bargue but I was steer away from it by a someone I respect to do robert beverly hale Drawing Lessons From The Great Masters instead, still find bargue interesting.

WIP sketch. Might fiddle with his legs cause it looks off to me. Also might make him smaller so I can include him holding a sword

>>6518171
thats a mole instead of a brachiosaurus

>>6518173
when I color him orange it's not gonna matter

le rendering

Warm ups
Too many naked ladies so I challenged myself with some sports
5 minutes each

why people say warmups. it makes me mad :<

How do you show a nice ass through a dress?

Next one. Still struggling with the ribcage, I think I made it too small.

>>6514316
Thanks! I'll be sure to take note of that next time

>>6517744
Great job. Now it's time to push those values, you were probably studying from Ruan Jia's own study of the movie still which was kinda high key but still had some small, deep dark spots. Do you post here regularly?

Round 2. Hoping to finish today.

>>6518308
Based. But make sure you retain the information, don't burn yourself out for nothing.

>>6518310
Thanks anon.
I don't feel burnt out though, so far this has been a ton of fun.

so much to draw so little time
makes me sad

holy fuck his legs are hard to draw. I think I've had an easier time drawing womens legs and feet than I have him. I don't know why his tiny little stumps fucked with me so hard

>>6518227
>I think I made it too small.
Yeah. And the head is about to fly away.

>>6518227
Her right arm is too low on the torso. It should be more aligned with the other arm

>>6518331
damn ok he actually got my ass here like i'm not gonna lie

Tried to fix it.

>>6518435
I think the arm is positioned at the correct height now. I'd put the base of the arm slightly further away from the body.

Doing the Krenz Perspective week 1 homework
has anyone here completed the course?

>>6518355
blown the fuck out

>>6518355
Who wrote this?

>>6512868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwfFv5KpJrk

get spooked by singing. it;s fine but too flat for me despite so many attempts to add shadows

>>6518232
Thanks, I just limited my value range to 40-80, that's why there are no dark spots even if the image would benefit from them. I post very rarely, but I might post more often in this thread

NEW THREAD
>>6518667
>>6518667
>>6518667

>>6518537
loomis, successful drawing

>>6516849
Bud, mind sharing the link to where you post your art ? cuz you do peak my interest here

Tell me which part needs to improve. Thanks in advance.

>>6518227
Your model is leaning forward, you've got that in the hips, but you've drawn the torso straightening out/pulling back. In addition, the model's torso is not rotating that far to the left. If you're trying to reconstruct a pose exactly, to the point of making mistakes like that head placement, it's important to make sure you're doing it EXACTLY. The second that you start to shorthand your sketch and just place volumes without thinking, even if they are drawn 'correctly,' you've missed the point of the exercise.