/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6503859
omg

4chan Jannie/creative team generated thread?

"Intellecutality" . C'mon.

>>6503855
I complain about AI bait threads shitting up the board, I couldn't give a fuck about AI

AI is just a tool

haha

>>6503881
>I complain about AI bait threads shitting up the board
Yeah. You tell us this every time. Thank you for the reminder.

Art comes from the living heart. Machines are not alive. It's that simple. Even if nihilists want you to believe that humans have equal value to machines, it's simply not true. Stop being a dishonest nihilist.

>>6503855
art is not subjective. only jews and their golems say that.

>>6503889
>I need s break. Maybe a couple of months

>>6503903
Nobody here is claiming that humans have equal value to machines. You missed the point. Furthermore, art doesn't "literally" come from a human. A human uses tools to express what's on his mind. So your line of reasoning would pretty much exclude any kind of tool used to create art.

>>6503920
>art is not subjective. only jews and their golems say that.
Correct. But that's not the point.

>>6503859
>>6503879
Janny deletes the drawing black peepo thread but this stays up? Now this is niggardly behaviour.

>>6503983
>Janny deletes
Engaging outrage driven content. Sign o' the times.

>process doesn't matter. all that matters is end product
sound familiar? now the end product of AI is more similar to an image done by a digital artist than a digital file is to an actual painting.

>>6503855
>Talent and technical ability were optional, if not irrelevant, and the only thing that mattered was intent
Fuck off you projecting tourist.
I actually used to like /ic/ around 2017 when I was looking for art resources, because this place was the opposite of what you just stated.
While my college, real life “art friends” and every art community were hugboxing retards, /ic/ actually shared resources, discussed techniques, would give critique that was real and discussed how to actually pull off what you were asking about.
/ic/ cared TREMENDOUSLY about aesthetics, tried to figure out what appeal is in the most autistic way possible, discussed the ethics of different methods constantly, and generally this board was the only art community filled with autists trying to actually achieve glory of some kind. Probably one of the only online art communities where you could argue that art was objective, or had objective properties.
We went overboard in some big ways what with fundie grinding and shilling Loomis, but we all learned from that and (hopefully) graduated to better sources of information, carrying with us that discipline.
This particular demographic of artists are 9/10 the opposite of the faggotry that you’re describing, ie yourself, you postmodernist “art can be whatever I feel like” retard.

TL;DR: don’t put words in other peoples’ mouths you projecting retard.

>>6503983
>Janny deletes the drawing black peepo thread but this stays up? Now this is niggardly behaviour.
>>6504022
I think both should have stayed up.
Sure fellatrix is weird porn, but a lot of aritsts are trying to draw that.

>>6504034
Is this actually true? I'm a newfag, I found this board in the summer when the AI shitstorm hit and despite that the resources and practice tips have helped me improve more than any other resource. Everything's going to shit, sometimes I wish I was born a decade earlier.

>>6503892
stop strawmanning with your shit then cunt

art requires humans to create it

>>6504034
>Fuck off you projecting tourist.
Yet here you are projecting. See:
>artists are 9/10 the opposite of the faggotry that you’re describing, ie yourself, you postmodernist “art can be whatever I feel like” retard.
Never claimed that I have a postmodernist position on art. Maybe you should learn to read, retard. I was pointing out the hypocrisy.

>I actually used to like /ic/ around 2017 when I was looking for art resources, because this place was the opposite of what you just stated.
Not an argument. Sure, this board might have been an exception, but fact of the matter is that many groups, movements, institutions, academia, a lot of degenerate artists were all in favor of abolishing the objective standards of what constitutes art for decades. They heavily contributed to the moral panicking that's happening with AI art right now. People who grow up with no standards, will have no remorse using technology like AI. Simple as. Just because you weren't participating in their shenanigans doesn't make you any less responsible for how a lot of the community turned out. In fact, you pretty much admit that rather than fighting against the insanity that "modern art" has become, you decided to isolate yourself within these communities, exactly what they wanted.

>Handsome AI
Kek

>>6504157
Nobody is "strawmanning" anyone here. I actually acknowledged that this board was an exception for most of the time. However, that does not diminish the fact that a lot of academia, institutions, movements, groups, many wokeist artists, etc. heavily supported the idea that "anything can be art" and suddenly as soon as it personally affects them they backpedal and start complaining about AI art not being art.

>>6504219
>Yes, I'm an artist.
>You started this, you were the ones claiming that anything can be art.
>not we, not I, you
Projection.
>You were the ones contributing for decades to deconstruct and bully out any standards, rules and ideas of what constitutes art.
Again, wrong art community. I can only assume you were talking to /ic/ anons and not artists generally. Then again if you were a tourist you wouldn’t know /ic/ from deviantart from Calarts from Ethan Becker’s discord.
>Now take responsibility for your actions and live with the consequences.
>Yes, I’m an artist.
>This is all artists’ fault.
You first bucko. And speak for yourself about having sat on your hands and done nothing, shitting on shitty art both from corporations and “artists” has been prime real estate for ages. Some of us wanted to change things by BEING the change and not blowing it like uncle Ted.

>>6504246
who says op was directed at you? why do you have a guilty conscious?

>>6503855
>I'm a lazy retard who fried his brain so much he can't be productive anymore, please PLEASE accept me as one of you
No.

>>6503889
in other times turbo autists like that would create a deviantart page, pump oit thousands of pieces and become master draftsmen purely out of their fetish hyperfixation

>>6503855
>art is subjective
>le everything is art
now that's pretentious

>>6503855
So fucking true my friend. The battel between AI chads and drawslaves is a reflection of the war of traditional values between Russia and ((ukraine)). AI is basically like based Russia and artists are basically globohomo hohol wef zogbots. Z!

>>6503855
you're gonna love it in a couple years when 90% if not all entertainment is AI generated by soulless corpo pushing inescapable propaganda grub that kills people ability to think for themselves.
I hope you feel a pang of guilt when it's too late to go back and realize you are guilty of having helped make it a reality.
Write a book about it when you're there, if it somehow survive the stasi we'll add it to the pile of Gulag Archipelago, ordinary men, first into the dark, and the myriad of suicide note of ordinary people who not only didn't pushed back but actively participated in making the world around them a living hell.

>>6503934
the point is that you're a retard trying to strawman people who don't say retarded shit so they won't seem retarded. AI niggers are the types who believe in the "AI art is subjective" and "anything can be art" garbage while unironically shilling for Dadaism as a means to defend """AI""" """""""art"""""""""

>>6504309
so they will seem retarded*

That's too many words but you're right. Pic related was considered art. No effort. No meaning. Just fruit on a board.
Photography has the same skill curve as AI art generation. At the low end, you just push a button. At the high end you need to know which lens, exposure, lighting, filters, angle, aspect ratio, etc to use.
Same is true with AI. You could just click a button and get an image. But you need to know the right prompt, model, Lora, weights, dimensions, samplers, negatives, to use to get good results.

>>6504307
your brain is off the rails. maybe suicide is the answer you seek
>pedophiles hate Russia
pedophiles love Russia as it's the main hub of child porn

>>6503983
Who is she?

>>6503903
Is photography art?

>x isn't art
elitist gatekeeping from those that were lucky enough to be born with talent thinking they can arbitrarily dictate what is and isn't art

>>6504314
Of course you would know all about it

>>6504286
>who says op was directed at you? why do you have a guilty conscious?
conscience you street shitter. he said "you". if you say "you" as in plural, that means you're addressing the people on this board, including the anon you're replying to. are you fucking retarded

>>6504320
>elitist gatekeeping from those that were lucky enough to be born with talent thinking they can arbitrarily dictate what is and isn't art
i mean if what you say is true, then that would give them authority on this matter. you're wrong, but even if your dumbfuck claim would be correct, they'd be entitled to gatekeeping. reminder that there is nothing wrong with gatekeeping. lack of gatekeeping is how we ended up with garbage art (be it visual, music) from hacks with your mentality

>>6504163
Seriously, is photography art. Yes or no. If it's art then so is AI art. If it's not then we might want to discuss the validity of digital art next.

>>6504324
No, this board always had conflicting opinions on every topic, it doesn't have a single mind. He was addressing the retards who think like that, not whatever dumbfuck read it. So either way you ass-blasted yourself.

>>6503855
Dunno man, I'm having fun with it

None of you faggots are willing to engage with the hard question.
IS
PHOTOGRAPHY
ART
Try to find a definition of art that excludes AI while including photography.

>>6504307
you know who loves AI the globohomos pushing propaganda. It's hard to find competent artist who believe in their crap nevermind good ones. Also the Japs who are notorious for underpaying their artist as they rake in all the $$$ for contributing in gatekeeping. Now they can all starve to death for all they care they don't need them anymore.
you gonna trust those people to make anything good? or just not cancerous? And where true artist gonna go after being pushed out of all markets? who's gonna pick up the mantle?

>>6504331
Gatekeeping is insecure. Love what you love doing and stop worrying about people letting shit art rise to the top. If something gets popular, it gets popular. If it hurts your feefees that the art style of the week doesn't align with your tastes then you are just an insecure bitch who can't handle other people liking something else and you are a closeted trend whore. If its an issue of revenue then your endeavors weren't noble and pure to begin with since you were whoring out your so-called better tastes for monetary gain.

>>6504344
>It's hard to find competent artist who believe in their crap nevermind good ones.
Every well known and talented artist that's screeching about AI stealing their aesthetic holds the correct opinions and says the correct things for a high ESG score.
AI models can be run locally which allows small creators the power of an entire production studio from their bedroom. Counter narratives to globohomo are only possible thanks to AI image, voice, and eventually video.

>>6504345
>Gatekeeping is insecure
gatekeeping is necessary to prevents hacks like you from becoming relevant
>Love what you love doing and stop worrying about people letting shit art rise to the top
yeah, how convenient for you huh? why shouldn't I worry about the quality of music? music is my favorite for of art, you think I don't find it annoying that the music world is basically swamped in garbage
>If something gets popular, it gets popular
I don't care about "popularity" as much as I care about the lack of general quality
>If it hurts your feefees that the art style of the week doesn't align with your tastes then you are just an insecure bitch who can't handle other people liking something else and you are a closeted trend whore
this is rich coming from the faggot who thinks that everything is art. I mean you are incapable of understanding the fact that if everything can be considered art, then nothing is art
>If its an issue of revenue then your endeavors weren't noble and pure to begin with since you were whoring out your so-called better tastes for monetary gain
who says that multiple issues can't exist at the same time?
>waaaah how dare you make money off of working
fuck off posthaste, you commie scum. you will never get your UBI table scraps, and your local baron will dump you and your family into space once you're no longer needed

>>6504351
>oh you are supporting artists that don't work as hard as me, you must be one of them

more insecure babble

>>6504351
>gatekeeping is necessary to prevents hacks like you from becoming relevant
NTA but you're doing the opposite actually.

>>6504345
> Gatekeeping is insecure.
You will never be an artist you leech and fuck off to reddit

>>6504348
you think they're gonna make it available for the masses lol. within 20y it's gonna most likely be own by a monopoly gatekeeping it from the general public and not allowing said AI to generate certain things(based when it comes loli and CP, but it will come for any dissenting opinions too undoubtedly).

>>6504358
>you think they're gonna make it available for the masses lol.
Didn't read the rest of your post. It's already available. I'm running stable diffusion local from my machine. Open AI literally posts all of their models open source. GPU processing power gets cheaper every year. What are you even on?

>>6504348
>Counter narratives to globohomo are only possible thanks to AI image, voice, and eventually video.
imagine believing this, lol. so what, "globohomo" haters are too inept to do anything without computer generation?
>>6504338
this bad analogy has been repeated over and over since dall-e reared its head for the first time. it is art, as it's made by a human. however, it is not comparable to drawn art and even to its fullest dedication it's a much less impressive skill. the most important difference though is that photography is its own thing, while "AI art" niggery is just an attempt at mimicking art, photography, etc. How can it be art when its users hate doing art? they use AI because they hate doing art, that's the entire reason they use it.
>>6504356
>NTA but you're doing the opposite actually
no it doesn't. the concept of "everything is art" is a postmodern concept, and it's what led to bloody tampons caked in urine to be considered art

4chan is allowing A.I. threads now that they're getting A.I. services ads. Whudathunk?

>>6504357
never photobashed, never cryptofag arted, never used ai. But I welcome the competition because I'm not an insecure faggot. I love drawing graphic design style and my world has been crumbling long before ai so this is all nothing new to me. You just aren't confident in your abilities is all, pure and simple.

>>6504363
in other news, you're a cuck who is fine with getting his art shoved in a machine to make big money for corpos, and little money for fiverr pajeets who wear your skin and pretend that they're you. what does "being confident in your abilities" change in this matter?

>>6504307
>pedophiles hate russia
The poor parts if the country have straight up child prostitution with no one doing anything. I swear 4chan contrarians are the biggest fucking npcs.

>>6504365
Sorry I actually love drawing, like actually sitting there and drawing. It's about the journey not the destination. I already have a job so this is just a HOBBY. This is a hobby for you right? right? you aren't seriously trying to get your ass killed like John Henry right?

>>6504337
kek looks like the ai picked up taylor swift

>>6504360
>Didn't read the rest of your post
and totally missed the point. just look at the evolution of the internet lots of things have changed since it's inception and it is a far cry from what optimist people envisioned only 25y ago. not the free exchange of ideas that was supposed to unite the world in the quest for truth but rather a tool to divide people and suppress dissenting opinions.
trust me kid and brace yourself because everything that could go wrong with AI is most likely to happen. just a question of where we are on that time table

>>6504361
>so what, "globohomo" haters are too inept to do anything without computer generation?
Just draw your own animations, voice it all, turn it into an animation and... Oops we aren't going to let you hire any of those people or spend the money required to make it because it's wrong think.

ai art is just another tool for a bigger medium that agi is going to have to keep up with and the people clinging to the past will be swept away like the nobodies at arts and craft events selling their hand made pottery

>>6504307
>>6503855
Going on about muh questionable definition is tranny shit.

>>6504361
>How can it be art when its users hate doing art?
Projection. It's art and that's all that matters. Thank you for agreeing that AI art belongs here on /ic/.

If this shit scares you, you weren't an artist in the first place because real artists tell stories, not sikimichan clones who just do hyper-rendered fan art for cash. All those fundamentals and principals should have just been a means to an end, it was just craft

>>6504361
>"globohomo" haters are too inept to do anything without computer generation?
No, we just don't have the vast amount of financial resources and connections that wokeist artists do. And also because men who try and create objective beauty in the world are targeted.

Take a look an Thomas Kinkade, for example. His work embodies beauty, honor, and tradition. This ENRAGED the woke art mafia because they realized how popular Kinkade's work was compared to globohomo art. He was a skilled painter who was eventually killed because his ideas were too powerful.

As hard as they tried to suppress Kinkade's work, his paintings are still some of the most popular forms of objective art and beauty still retained in modern America. In every household with some semblance of traditionalist or conservative principles, you can find a kinkade painting. With the power of AI, we can ensure his spirit lives on. Of course, this is the part that truly causes artslaves to seethe, because they know once beauty is everywhere, their feeble excuses for "art" (horrific degenerate porn, poop in cans, ugly scribbles, etc..) will be shot down.

>>6504381
he's the epitome of kitch art though lol

>>6504384
>It's bad because it's common
Ever consider posting your art so we can see who is raising these criticisms? Your art probably isn't fit for the kitchen much less the fridge.

>>6504384
>Kitsch
Leftist newspeak used to disparage simple art that embraces coziness, beauty and traditional life.

>>6504409
he literally uses dogwhistle propaganda like pretending 50s America wasn't hell on earth for black people. Get this shit outta here

>>6504381
>>6504409
I'm more of a norman rockwell kind of guy, his art actually told stories. Maybe learn to have better taste?

Making art with AI is just boring.
It almost makes me glad art isn't my day job so I don't have to worry about being forced to use that shitty "tool" lol

>>6504409
>>Kitsch
>Leftist newspeak
since when did kitsch become a new word?

>>6504418
Hobby gang rise up. Art should be used to make money in the first place, otherwise you are no better than the machine

>>6503855
I call myself an illustrator instead of artist because I don't want to be associated with retards who smash spaghettios up their vaginas. Guess what? AI isn't illustration. Eat shit and die.

>>6504422
Yet people in hobbies like video games, sports, and etc gate keep shitters and cheaters from plaguing shit.

its funny how almost 10 years ago this board would have never given kincade the time of day. It is it about rapid change that brings out the dry old conservative in people, in the art world of all places

>>6504428
>believes ai is degrading the medium of art

>goes on to degrade art to the level of sports

>>6504435
Good job for missing the point you retarded fuck.

>>6504436
I don't think I missed much, I'm good. If you thought it was important, that's all that matters.

>>6504334
This. But I don't expect retards like in >>6504246
to actually understand what I was saying.

>>6504246
>You first bucko. And speak for yourself about having sat on your hands and done nothing, shitting on shitty art both from corporations and “artists” has been prime real estate for ages. Some of us wanted to change things by BEING the change and not blowing it like uncle Ted.

"Being the change" means nothing when you're in the closet and no one outside notices it, you fucking idiot. To be the change, you express it outwardly, **outside** of the bubble. But yeah, you basically just explained why this charade of "modern art" worked so well. Because people like you would follow the credo of "The wiser head gives in." but look where it led us. When the wise cave in, the fools will ultimately rule and determine what's right and wrong. Nietzsche literally said this 140 years ago.

>>6504381
man it's beautiful.
looks like it's from an epoch when not only the family unit was normal(instead of slavewaging 70h/w single moms who are too tired to properly raise any kid, and an absent father probably demonized along with masculinity in the household, that is today's norm) but they also had a strong sense of community...
Makes my nostalgic for a time I've never known. Powerful stuff.
Thanks for sharing anon I'm gonna look further into that guy.

>>6504420
I think he means nuspeak.

>>6504384
>kitch
are leftist changing the meaning of another word now. I remember a time when it meant vapid pop art popular among faggot. I'm gonna stick with the old definition and call vapid, garish gay art, kitch.
Also you're a gay retard nigger faggot anon

>>6503855
>this argument again
Go to nu-art galleries and lobby this complaint. /ic of all places isn't where you'll find people shitting on the importance of skill when it comes to art.

>>6504466
>ic of all places isn't where you'll find people shitting on the importance of skill when it comes to art.
Sure, but it is a way to encourage you (the ones who know about the importance of skill and won't cave in to modern "art) getting your lazy asses up and actually do something.

>>6504458
no I'm pretty sure he meant newspeak
what's the definition of nuspeak anyway?
let me guess: Doubleplusgood speak with no room for wrongthink.

>>6504466
modern art is so deep and beautiful

>>6503855
but i love hegel...

Anyone in this thread smoke weed?

>>6504478
Fuck hegel

>>6504411
And you don't think america today is hell on earth for the white man? I went to the grocer the other day and these evil Mexican kids behind me began laughing and snickering in their own language. I am positive they were making fun of me for being a proud right wing male (because I sure as hell dress like one....) They were also probably leftists because they must have recognized the copy of Bronze Age Mindset I was carrying by my side and decided to harass me. Infuriating that the manager, who looked like a gross basedboy, told me there was nothing I could do because I couldn't prove they were laughing at me. And thousands of white men go through these same humiliation rituals daily. Who says we won't break..?

>>6504482
>Fuck hegel
yeah , no.

>>6504482
and all Germans philosophers except Nietzsche who did not hold Germany in high regard

>>6504471
Nu as in numale. You know, the milquetoast way of speaking that onions types always use. Safe, inoffensive, and mostly empty.

>Another day another pajeet thread

>>6504411
>pretending 50s America wasn't hell on earth for black people
Unlike the utopia now

>>6504233
You are either pajeet or boomer retard who eat up everything to "own the libs". Most artists who complained about AI have real skill, are neutral and stay humble to not offend anyone. They constantly get harass from political fanatics and faggots. Woke shit "artists" are on board with AI for money laundering, they have the same kike master as AI faggots.

they've caught on

>>6503855
AI generated images are the death of the author

>>6504550
Morte d'Arthor

art is objective. op is a faggot, as always

>>6504312
CIA psyop made to devaluate fine art because the practice elevates the mind and thus fosters a revolutionary spirit. faggots are so deep down this rabbit hole they believe the majority of artists ascribe to this notion.

>>6504556

>>6504337
same desu