/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Reposting from last thread to get more feedback

How do I improve this?
I think it's fixing the head to body ratio and line confidence but I don't know if I'm missing something. Are the colors good? Normally I don't color things because it's very very difficult.

thoughts on the lineart so far?

>>6496910
Might unironically be time for me to revisit loomis

Here's my bad art
Her name is Ichiko Ruya

>>6496917
It looks pretty good on its own ngl

>>6496924
What does ironically revisiting Loomis look like?

>>6496926
why is she so sad

How much do you have to draw to get a callous?

>>6496922
Scratchy. Try doing a single line.

>>6496940
Depression, Like the rest of her classmate who suffer from diffrent mental illnesses

>>6496946
>Like the rest of her classmate who suffer from diffrent mental illnesses
That's kinda interesting, is it a school for the mentally ill specifically?

>>6496926
The design catches my eye, anon. I want to know more too

>>6496951
>That's kinda interesting, is it a school for the mentally ill specifically?
No, but there's like 10 mentally ill student in this school, Each one of them suffer from diffrent type of mental illness.

>>6496957
>Katawa shojo at home

>>6496954
Here's good full body sketch done by my friend

>>6496958
Damn anon, i knew something similar to my concept exist already

>>6496937

>>6497005

>>6497007

>>6497010

>>6497012
I will stop shitting this board up soon, I promise you guys.

Draw this.

Could someone give me advice on what points I could focus on to improve?

I think one I see from afar would be anatomy.

Thanks!

>>6497109
Perspective, gesture drawing, contour drawing.
Anatomy isn't the first step of figure drawing, it comes after the ones I've listed.

>>6497124

Thanks for the advice anon!

I will try to focus on perspective then, although first of all... do you recommend any book to be able to delve into those areas?

>>6497109
>Could someone give me advice on what points I could focus on to improve?
split the image into multiple parts, focus in accuracy try to see the shape, angle, curves; in your example I would advice to do this on the left hand

thanks for the advice anon!

I think that one of the mistakes I have made has been to start drawing without having a solid sketch

>>6497131
I don't really know about books, I think there's one of them mentioned i the sticky, but you can find Erik Olsen's perspective course in the /ic/ torrent. It's huge, but it's also the most comprehensive there is.
You can study several things at once though. If you like books, Nicolaides' book is extremely grindy but gives a very solid understanding of form and flow. I think it will also help with your contour/lines. Other than that, the /ic/ torrent has a good Vilppu gesture drawing course in his renaissance drawing series.

Good luck anon

>>6497162

thanks for your time anon

I'll take a look at what you told me. With some luck I end up hitting the key so I can draw better.

>>6497175
You seem to have a good mindset. I'm sure you'll improve in no time.

Back with another one of the classmate
Her namr in Nimiko Fumi, The psycho
(I know i suck at drawing hair)

>>6496920
The bunny guy's hand looks kinda lumpy.

>>6496920
Colours don't feel very alive.Their skin tone is almost corpse-like.

>draw a circle
>split it in half
>add another circle in the middle plus two lines above and below
>draw the lines you want
>erase the lines you don't want

loomisbros i kneel

>>6497203
Yeah. Need to look at hand refs more.
>>6497223
I was trying to go for a gold undertone, like a story book? And they're supposed to have fur, it's not skin. But it's very thick, short, soft hair. But thank you I agree it looks pretty dull. I don't know how to make them pop without it looking stupid.

>>6497246
im feeling it

>>6497275
HELL YEAH FUCK YEAH OH SHIT

>>6497249
My advice at this point would be to try and redo the drawing from scratch, trying something radically different.
I know it sounds extreme, but it's legitimately a great exercise

>>6497309
Yeah I know, the position itself is boring. But this is my first Real piece I've done in a very long time because I only got a tablet recently and up until this point i was ms painting with a mouse.
Hoping that my next drawing will be better but I'm glad I'm learning a lot even if I feel dissatisfied with stuff that takes days to do. The best exercise is always just... drawing moar.

>>6497313
I completely understand your feelings anon.
Just don't forget : don't fall in love with what you're currently working on. Move on to the next, and do better next time.
Remember that painting on a tablet is literally the cheapest paper.

>>6497249
I think the colors are okay. They're drab, but in a dirty watercolor kind of way that would probably look pretty good printed.

Tried my hand at drawing a wendigo. Classic case of overworking a picture, too dark, no contrast, some everything is a muddled soup. Still thought I'd might share. Does anyone have any feedback or advice? Had to take a photo with my phone, even that was all shiny, the ink I used is really glossy. I feel like I ruined the underlying sketch with a crap application of watercolour. I used gray paper too for the first time so I guess that added to the grey soupyness of the thing, no white paper to shine through.

>>6497246
>>6497275
good job anon drawing is about simplifying things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXEZ4tP06c

I DON'T GET IT! I DON'T FUCKING GET IT!!!! Am I just retarded? Am I just the stupidest mother fucker walking the earth? I know literal children that draw better than me, but when I was a kid I didn't fucking draw that good. For the past month all I do is wake up, and draw and I do nothing and get nowhere. I draw, I try and work on construction and when I struggle to do that, I think the problem is my lines. So I sit there for hours drawing lines like a insane person for hours and I get... nowhere. When I wonder if this is even what I should focus on I check the sticky. I watch all the videos in it over an over again getting a brief overview of things I can't even do because I can't even do a circle right. But maybe I need a break anyways, so I do gesture and have no idea if I'm doing something right or not since my drawings don't really look like gesture drawings and I don't feel like I'm grasping the concept. So I try construction since that seems more straightforward, but I can't do that either. I've been stuck in this loop for a month. I think I might be incapable of literally learning anything. No matter what I sit down and focus on I never get any better and no matter what I focus on it feels like I lack something else. I'm going insane. This thread is a psy op, no one in here is a beginner, that's a lie a god damn lie I tell you.

Currently working on my pic.

Dunno what to fix.

Could someone help with understanding the eyes and nose? I have a hard time with eyes going back into the head within the sockets. And I also have trouble bringing the nose "out" of the head. Thanks.

>>6497344
I like the drawing. The only feedback is that the anatomy is off. The arms are too thin compare to the rest of the body. You should have drawn the foot in to give a better sense of scale. The way she is holding the tree looks off.

>>6497357
what videos are you watching? Post your work and what you're goals are.

>>6497374
Do you know how to draw anime eyes?

>>6497375
Thanks! Yeah you're right. The hand is weird. I'm shit at hands.
What about the arms? Hmm, I think I can see it. Maybe I even though I planned for the body to end just beyond the tree, leaning forward, I must have gotten a bit confused and drawn arms fitting the body we see only, and not the body we see+the body behind the tree as I originally intended.
It's not the first time I've been too eager to go in with ink and watercolour and not having looked closely at the sketch first. I must learn to be more patient.

>>6497386
Those are just place holders for now. Please don't bully me I WILL cry.

>>6497391
comparing with the rest of the body, the arms would be a bit thicker instead of stick like. I don't mind the length because of the long neck.

>>6497109
From just this I would say a bit more observation practice . The angle of her eyes are more tilted and her arm goes back in space and curves more with her elbow not as visible as yours. Other than that I would say that if you're gonna choose to use hatching to only hatch shadows. If you hatch everything it makes it look flat although that could just be you adding some color. Keep up the practice!!

>>6497403
Yeah i intentionally made them a bit long, didn't intend for them to be so thin but I see it now. Thanks for the feedback!

>>6496910
what's a good ps brush for lineart if you draw with your mouse i.e no pressure and shit

>>6497396
I feel like your drawing is supposed to be an anime style but the eyes are an attempt at realism. I would suggest practicing anime eyes if that is your goal style. Goodluck fren

>>6496922
Take a break and look at the anatomy of your version. The breast extends past the connection point near the shoulder. Other than that I would say the lines that indicate the change from her hips to her legs is off, in this pose you shouldn't be able to see it. And on more thing her butt seems too spread out like they aren't covering her asshole at all which could be intentional I guess. What would help would be to try and understand the pelvis and legs in perspective before going any further.

>>6497409

Thanks for the tips anon!

I'll try to study art techniques before trying to draw anything again

>>6496920
I can't really comment on what proportions you're going for so some of this might be totally useless.
The guy on the right looks strange due to his head not being in the middle (hard to explain but I hope you get what I mean). The characters also look rather stiff but that might just be due to the line weight that you used. Also the hand that is grabbing the bunny's butt is really big compared to his other one.

>>6497396
be my gf?

>>6497420
I gotcha. I do have trouble with anime eyes due to the VERY tiny changes in angles some of them have. Thanks I appreciate the feedback.

>>6497429
Sorry I'm a guy :(

>>6497432
Cringe. You type like a girl

>>6497374
box it, it will help you from this I cant get what do you going for with the head tilt if up or down. for me it feels distorted because the blue line like drawn in the same plane instead of distinctive side of the face. steve hudson has some video studies on faces, he calls it boxlogic TM.

back to the grind, god i hate drawing but i love my husbando

>>6497433
:(

>>6497380
I meant I was watching the videos linked in the sticky everyday, sorry for the confusion
I guess my goals are to draw cute anime girls or whatever like everyone else. I have a bit more ambition than that, but for now that's really what I wanna do. However I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be learning or in what order. I keep jumping around all these concepts because it feels like I need one to do the other and I don't know or have a real starting point. I can't even copy art right, which seems to be an easy beginner skill so I think I just might be too retarded for that shit. Hasn't stopped me from burning an entire month on it. Kinda feel like I'm going mad or just missing something everyone else knows or gets.

>>6497442
If you haven't watch this video you should watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI

>>6496910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ImzYmSE9Q

How bad is this?

>>6497368
one of her tits hangs above her belly but the other is behind it somehow

t. coomer anon

>>6497453
I will thanks anon

Friends OC

>>6497463

Okay. I will fix that

>>6497463

It is called perspective. That and tits tend to hand out when they aren't suported.

r8? before you complain about muh tumblr nose, it looks like that irl

>>6497492
thank you for your input incel-anon

Did some trad sketching today, it feels so much more satisfying than digital I can't lie

>>6497549
wow these are great, how do i achieve such clean lines?

>>6497535
eyes are big and different size, cheeks are different sizes, and the spaces in between brow/eyes and nose/mouth makes the face look off

>>6497557
Thanks! You don't need to do anything special, it naturally comes with time

>>6497442
this video helped me a lot when I started with gesture work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0Vkkc3Mgw&t=316s

>>6497536

Fuck off fag.

Did this sketch, what could i improve for the next time i draw?

>>6497661
Her right hand is bigger than her left hand even though it is further away. Same goes for her arm

>>6497442
>my goals are to draw cute anime girls or whatever
>I can't even copy art right
if you're prioritizing copying, then you're on the right track already. doing fundamentals on the side is good, too (e.g. anatomy). the more fundamentals you know, the better you'll be able to learn from copying others. you can understand the their decision making process better, and their choices in abstraction.

if you're frustrated with your copying but can't say why, then you probably just need to work on developing a critical eye and bettering your accuracy (in addition to your mechanical skills if that's part of the problem). you have to get good at identifying what's wrong, and then fixing that. as long as it looks "wrong" to you, you can figure out why. think hard and compare carefully. be as specific as possible. be as specific as you know how to be. the self-improvement loop is:
>create art
>critique it (what's wrong with it, specifically?)
>use critique to identify specific weaknesses (e.g. "these hands look wrong")
>study and practice hard to patch these specific weaknesses you identified (e.g. draw 1000 hands from ref)
>repeat

you'll get better at critiquing yourself productively the better your fundamentals get, too. there are a lot of clever study techniques for improving in specific ways, but if you just do studies and never create art, you will get bored and burned out. likewise, if you just make shit and never critique and study, you will get frustrated with lack of progress. you have to join them together.

>>6497442
>>6497678
>inb4 "just do draw a box"
here are some accuracy training videos (for digital) that helped me a lot. if you're working digitally, you can adapt them to copying anime, too; e.g. draw a thing on a transparent layer, drag it over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJO1LnjXpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPywXVsRKT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ0lz7W0CYs

Where do I go from this? Do I keep spamming these boxes until I can do it without the grid? Or Do I break down reference pictures?

Hello beg, this book is kicking my ass and forced me to realize my weaknesses. It hurts!

>>6496502
The general idea i have seen in stickies and other art places: observation, perspective, spatial awareness (rotate the cube, feel the form), any of the INT books from titans like loomis, vilpu, hamilpton and then master studies.
>>6496759
>no reason/attention
I wont deny the attention part. I am like all the other 99% art fags: the more fame the better! BUT you act like reading multiple beg books is waste of time or something. It isnt. It allowed me to comprehend why there are so many clashing advice regarding drawing. Its because there are roughly three distinct paths: gesture, observation and construction. All three ultimately leads to the same end result, but the way you get there is mad different. I wouldnt know this if i didnt do multiple beg books. They all teach the same but sometimes the diff between approaches and mindset is like day and night.
>>6497661
i suggest implementing variable line thickness into your lineart. For example you can draw objects closest to the view thicker. To enhance perspective.
>>6497624
coom! But why did you crop it at the best part?
>>6497535
the distance between eyes and the mouth being so low suggest she is mentally deficient. IDK maybe it was your intention or just bad reference
>>6497484
cute!
>>6497460
not bad at all, very creative. The only downside are the erased lines being visible, sketch with lighter hand
>>6497442
>i keep jumping
I strongly suggest you to not do that. Pick ONE course and stick to it. You have to believe in the process. If you cant copy then you are low beg and should pick up beg book like keys to drawing or drawing for the utter begginer first and foremost. Observation is the super fundie.
>>6497344
its not that bad. I quite like the mood of it. If you think you need more contrast just use the ink for more hatching to boost it up
>>6496917
use the hatching to show the forms:hatch in direction of contours

>>6497559
thanks
>>6497693
>IDK maybe it was your intention or just bad reference
it was from life, it was an exercise in my college's drawing club. as for whether I fucked up or she really looks like that, I have no idea

>>6497668
Oof yeah i see what you're talking about, maybe that's why the arms felt iffy to me

>>6497693
Absolute best i can do is make the outlines thicker and stuff, lineart's always been a huge mystery to me.

>>6497460
It looks pretty good to me.

Hey, pretty much an aboslute beg here. I haven't drawn in a couple years and don't really know what the fuck i'm doing cause I sure as hell didn't know back then either. I'm retarded and need some kind of spoonfeeding on where the hell to start other then 'just draw'. I saw some people talking about Krenz and watched that video, is copying for accuracy a good place to begin? What should I do next after that? I'm interested in drawing stylized characters and concept art if it matters.

Here's the last thing I kind of forced myself to draw a couple years ago by copying a bunch of different things.

Does anyone have that one guide image that teaches you to construct the neck+shoulders as some form of rectangle? I had it once but must have lost it and cannot find it through Google.

>>6497535

look at it through a mirror

>>6496917
>>6496920
>>6497368

I'm out

>>6497661
based fandrea

newfag to this board here, anyone have advice for the pelvis/leg region? i tend to find drawing that area in shapes really difficult...

20NVDV

>>6497942
is that AI?

>>6497764
Draw a figure from imagination.

>>6497549
Wow that's nice I fucking hate you.

today's warmups

Am I screwing myself over by using procreate line tool to create cleaner lines, circles, ellipses or other curves?
My curved lines always look ugly unless I use the tool to smooth them out. Even when I draw them quickly they look like ass by comparison.

>>6498100
it kind of whatever. if you want to be able to do it freehand then practice to do it free hand. You will not get magically cursed or something and no one cares.

>>6498100
yes, I recommend absolute beginners to start traditional first

>>6498100
it's a crutch. if your lines aren't clean without it, then you are robbing yourself of experience you need to grow when practicing/studying. so, the answer depends on whether you want to develop your control and line quality.

it's a different story if you just wanna churn out shit for commissions or whatever.

traditional have traditional ruler and even ellipse tools, so it have nothing to do with traditions

>>6498113
yep and also ctrl+z and lasso and resize and layers and stabilisation and liquify and other crutches

>>6498100
Get comfortable with your ugly lines and make the best out of it.

are erasers pencils and brushes are crutches too or who decide what is a crutch and what is a tool?

>>6498119
are you really arguing that an eraser is the same as the things I've mentioned? Anything that helps you cheat building muscle memory and line confidence is a crutch for a beginner. They are great tools but you shouldn't rely on them from the start

>>6498092
You can really see the improvement.
Nice man!

>>6498129

>>6498131

>>6498129
what are you using to draw that?

>>6498136
Uniball signo broad

>>6498119
Erasers are crutches. Don't use them. That's what any academic art teacher will tell you.
Ilya Mirochnik's course is probably the closest you'll get to having a renaissance master on video, and he tells you to forget about erasers.

figure drawing is confusing and seems hard as fuck. how does a /beg/ cope?

>>6496910
Is it normal to wake up with blurry vision
I can barely read anything

>>6498184
watch this
>>6497453

I don't understand line weight. I understand shading, light and how to practice anatomy but I can't comprehend the concept of line weight or how to use it. How on earth does one know which lines to make thicker and which not.

>>6498119
holy cope

>>6498190
I don't really get it, either, but some people can use it to good effect. it seems like the main point is to enhance your drawing with design rather than realism. john singer sargent seemed to use them mainly to enhance certain lines in the silhouette or to mark out the edges of forms, rather than to realistically portray anything in particular. especially in the shadow side. like picking out shapes. it probably translates over to cartoonshit similarly -- design emphasis mainly, and only secondarily to signal anything about light/shadow or form.

>>6498218
...or on the light side for sharp contrast (like the light side cheek in the last drawing), or the jaw and neck in picrel. idk.

>>6497535
>IRL tumblr nose
Terrible fate.
Did you try flipping the image after taking the photo? There's some asymmetry going on, and that's hard to see when working trad.

how do you make loose/appealing tentacles? i get its just cylinders but mine feel stiff. should I start with a center line like the top right? or break it down into parts like the left and right?

When studying values and colors, do you guys pick the color directly from the reference image or attempt to eyeball it?

>>6498129
>>6498131
great shapes

>>6498227
1. I think your tentacles don't really look like tentacles, but like fingers or horns or something. So that's hurting them I think.
2. I think you're too uniform in your shapes. Both sides feel like they mirror each other.
3. Mike Mignola loves to draw tentacles, you could study him.

>>6498258
Whichever you're trying to study, eyeball it first, then after you've finished the study, copy it directly and compare. Take note whether you tend to make values to light or too dark. Maybe you have a tendency to not make shadows dark enough.

>>6498227
Lines nigga. Looks too mechanical.

Henlo fellow begfags.

>>6498270
>>6498277
I guess it was #2. I should just not give a fuck/have more fun with the lines.

>>6498270
also where do I find Mikes stuff? just his IG? his twitter seems more business

Another update on my WIP.

I would like to know if there is any improvement in my work.

>>6498300
Yeah instagram or just Google Mike Mignola cover art. He usually has some tentacles on his Hellboy pieces.

Top G (accidentally posted on old thread)

been doing this circle exercise daily to improve my motorskills, I'm quite please with the results, my eggshapes and closing gaps have benefit from this. 2 weeks to go I think I will add some more difficult shapes in the upcoming weeks.

>>6498312
get a trip so I can filter you and your garbage.

I tried using gesture while drawing hands

I know I'll never be good since I can't put in the effort to practice, but I also can't stop thinking about it. A therapist told me to drop art altogether and I got mad, but he was totally right. I'm going to cry.

A Vash I did from memory during class.

My attempt at color

>>6498393
Weak draftsmanship.

>>6498419
Elaborate at least

>>6498283
Looks good so far, work on your smoke and explosions though. I appreciate that you're stylizing them, maybe look at some Mike Mignolia stuff?

>>6498364

Go fuck yourself,nigger.

I kept noticing more and more things that were off as I went along but I started pushing through with what I knew looked wrong just to keep going
Some features always looked weird no matter how I tried redrawing but that's probably an issue with my starting proportions
I enjoyed drawing the clothes though since there was more freedom with placing creases and folds without looking as awful
Excuse the smeared dirty paper I also gave up on cleaning it up after so much erasing lol

Starting to work on the torso/ tendril thingies.

>>6498568
Its going to be a while before you can get through an entire drawing without having anything obviously wrong. Good on you for pushing through. Now you should consider redlining the drawing and/or overlaying your drawing on the reference (e.g. in photoshop) to see exactly WHERE and HOW it's wrong. This will help train your eyes.

i just want to git gud to draw cute boys

>>6498568
You are quite decent at copying, but now you need to think in terms of shapes and gesture

>>6498568
>>6498584
post bobs

>>6498616

>>6498127
Thanks!

>>6498616

>>6498377
what do you like to drqw

>>6498714
Robots and girls

>>6497344
>booba
more like wendicko

>>6498440
What are these.

>>6498742
DON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYITDON'TSAYIT

>>6498754
?

Keys to Drawing. Had to draw a vase of flowers. Not a fan of the result. Flowers are too complex and overwhelming for me to just "draw what I see" and I discovered that I have no idea how to simplify what I see to what I can draw, without going into symbol territory. I had to search for a simple enough reference to be able to draw it and even then ignore most of it to get it done. I also probably should've made it bigger.

>>6498764
good anon, you are learning

>>6498764
which exercise of the book was this?

Drawing makes me anxious and tires me quickly. How do i get over it?

>>6498817
Take breaks every once in a while. That's how I dealt with it.

>>6498757
VAGINA BONES

>>6498817
Draw ANY amount, everyday.

>>6496910
>>6496910
well I finally made something I think looks good but at usual I'm aware it's not perfect and that's why I'm here, what would you guys recommend me to look into?

>>6498830
Vilppu/Huston/Hampton and copy anime

>>6498828
mmmkay. Can you turn on your inner imaginary xray vision and mark the navel for me?

>>6498835
will look into it, I also gotta add I did this without a reference image, except for the feet and heels, I was gonna draw her bare feet but decided to give her some nice looking shoes and the result wasn't as good as I wanted unfortunately

>>6498794
Thank you
>>6498813
It's actually called "Project 2F Alternating Free and Control hands". Except I used "free hand" only 1% of the time while doing very rough sketch and 99% with "controlled hand".

>>6498830
Figure out how the stomach and pelvis works/looks.

>>6498817
Gesture drawing exercises, where you draw 1-minute sketches of a pose 30 times in a row, helped me a lot with that.

>>6498867
30 sketches of the same pose or 30 different poses?

>>6498764
It just takes time and practice, this is pretty good your observation skills are improving those are nice negative shapes.

>>6498869
30 different poses.
And you do this exercise everytime you get a chance, since it doesn't take long.

>>6498866
yeah I noticed how weird the stomach area looks after I finished it.

Do you have art friends? Does having art friends help with motivation?

>>6498902
>Do you have art friends?
No.
>Does having art friends help with motivation
I don't know. But I'd wager it'll help. They'd also be able to give you advice and stuff.

>>6498764
>>6498848
>free hand
>controlled hand
what does that mean?

understanding that you have a problem simplifying is helpful. if you feel overwhelmed by detail/complexity, try zooming out mentally and working from the biggest shapes you see to the smallest. if you get the largest proportions, angles and relationships right at the outset, you can work your way down into finer detail more confidently. reducing problems to smaller, solvable chunks is good advice for problem solving in general; but with drawing and painting, smaller, simpler problems usually mean bigger, more abstract shapes.

enveloping is a good way to do this, starting from the beginning. picrel is a crappy envelope I drew on your ref. I'm a retard but it helps me a lot. here are some videos I skimmed but they seem legit enough to get the idea across:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwevjSTz2yQ

thank you loomis

>>6498838
That wasn't me. Yes it was supposed to be the vagina bone which i realized was wrong long ago but forgot to erase it, the main point was the coloring tho

Answer her fuckin question

>>6498956
the MCB will trip

carving is pretty fun

Sum practice. Crits?

moar practice

>>6498956
The mouth the the most visually offensive about this.

What went wrong?

>>6499004
>>6499007
Very nice. I have nothing of value to add.

>>6499013
Bug eyes. Baby ear.

>>6499007
time to look at how the serratus looks on an actual person Marc

>>6498956
It's /beg/ but the setup makes this attractive.

>>6499047
samefag and also nodraw beg

>>6496910
Sketch of St. Jude I made. I suck

>>6499121
are you just stringing random words together?

>>6496910
Here's another

>>6499162
>>6499175
Last one I don't know why they're uploading side ways. They're straight up for me in my phone's gallery

>>6498359
been thinking about shapes to add in the extra to this so far I got:
egg, hands,eyes, star, guitar, triangle, rose curve n petals, cardioid, limacon, leaf.

Did a little test the star and guitar, feet and limacon are the hardest I think I will them. Any other fun shapes?

>best results on motor skills are seen after 10 weeks of training *on kids
need to find a sports medicine journal on this.

>>6499162
>>6499175
>>6499193
Take your time and actually look at what you're drawing.

Hello beg. Today i was lazy. Dont give up, draw and PYW!

>>6499193
one of the first trials of beg is to learn how to upload photos of your work with correct orientation. Hint: get better app on your phone. Also i suggest you to pick up some beg book like Keys to Drawing or Drawing for utter beginner
>>6499013
ear tends to be aligned somewhat with the eyes, did you use reference?
>>6498926
these two terms about free/controlled hand are about fast scribble sketch gesture type of drawing VS slow controlled rendering approach to drawing
>>6498902
some people in beg discord are somewhat friendly and didnt give up yet so yes, they could be called my art friends. No they dont help with motivation, in fact you can get distracted by them.
>>6498817
gesture exercises, set timer for 60 seconds and go https://sketchdaily.net
>>6498764
very cool, keep this up and soon you will mog a lot of begs from here
>>6498584
respectable goal and good study
>>6498577
spooky
>>6498377
>therapist trying to crab you
LMAO and people PAY for this shit? LOLOLOLOLOLO. Prove him wrong
>>6498359
i dread the day i will have to do this but it seems i wont be able to escape this.
>>6498283
that is some pro tier of visual story telling. My only gripe is the bottom row. We dont know who is shooting who and who is losing. Consider adding drastic visual difference between the two sides (uniforms white VS black) to easily tell who is who
>>6498190
they usually follow some extremely simple rule like i did in my todays study: the closer to the eye the thicker the line. Simple yet effective
>>6498184
by doing (easier) beg books first
>>6497910
https://archive.org/details/anatomy-for-sculptors/page/194
>>6497764
i spoonfeed you to first do keys to drawing. If you are good you will finish it fast. If you arent you will gain multiple FUNDIES.

>>6498359
>>6499245
This is autistic anon.

>>6499245
Here's a bunch of fun shapes for you to practice.

here is some ugly ass dude

>>6499276
Ear is too far away and a little too small. Start practicing attaching the neck to the torso, floating necks look bad.

>>6499265
why? motor skills drills is something you will find on any basic sports training, locomotion is important also in drawing. Thanks to this post I remember that picasso has a bunch of single line drawings I can use.

>>6499270
bunch of circles and ellipses, also way to complex to make it into a motor exercise.

>>6499276
you can give volume to the neck by hinting the sternomastoid.

>>6499245
GMI

>>6499292
we are all gonna make it anon, who knows maybe I will also learn some proper English

>>6499290
Couldn't you have found an food analogy instead.

>>6499315
right now there are kids doing stir frying drills with a wok and water

>>6497693
>observation, perspective, spatial awareness (rotate the cube, feel the form), any of the INT books from titans like loomis, vilpu, hamilpton and then master studies.
What's that actually mean in terms of books to read, what to actually practice doing?

Another update on my pic.

>>6499174
nah. your the same guy who keeps calling anon Mark or somethin, also your a no draw so your opinion is automatically invalid.

>20 years of straight failure
Is it possible to recover from this?

>>6499528
u still have at least another 40 years left

>>6499533
No, actually, I have a terminal disease on top so its 10

>>6499535
aint over until it's over

>>6499551
Then what do?

>>6499553
jumst
draw

I have these settings on my canvas, sometimes when I start drawing a line, I notice a micro lag that lasts like less than a second, why could it be? I have a gtx 3060 12gb if it matters and a Wacom 22hd

also I'm using g-pen brush size 25 , otherwise it's too small

>>6499570
>why could it be?
does it happens at lower resolutions?

>also I'm using g-pen brush size 25
rough estimate for brush size is (largest resolution / 1000) * 3 or (largest resolution * 0.003 ) in your given res 8889*0.003 = 26.67 px

>>6499568
Draw what? You guys keep telling me this but it's led me nowhere. I need a step by step guide. It'd be like telling an illiterate "just write" and then getting shocked they put out incomprehensible nonsense.

>>6499579
>rough estimate for brush size is
I like how autistic it is but how it makes any sense? brush size for what?

>>6499579
>does it happens at lower resolutions?
I'm gonna try but what would be lower resolutions? 1080p?
I've been told that I usually have to do at least 4000px or 6000px to then downscale to 1080p

>>6499592
>what would be lower resolutions?
any
500x500
does it happens

>>6499581
you are trying too much at the same time, before trying screen tones understand core shadows. I don't like the composition the ladder/shelf steals the focus of the picture too much detail (but its balance by the messiness of the hair). good job I feel you enjoy it I would focus on the composition first.

>>6499589
for lineart I thought that was what you were going after since with that canvas size is not feasible to paint. how it makes any sense? its a rough estimate this is average ratio you get with a fineliner 0.3 0r 0.5 on a letter size paper IRL. I just corroborate this, I didnt come up with the formula (it was a jap ilustrator).

>>6499592
start from small to large, if 1080p give you problems then larger resolutions will give you trouble too. If 1080p gives you lag then it must be something wrong given your specs.

What the fuck am I doing

>>6499583
what do you want to draw? what do you want to be good at? why? how? you have to direct yourself if you want to get good at art. if you want to be a twitter celebrity anime porn artist, the way to achieve that is somewhat different versus if you want to be a florence school trained nostril portraitist. you are being too vague for anyone to help you with specific advice.

>>6499597
>average ratio you get with a fineliner 0.3 0r 0.5 on a letter size paper IRL
I see. now it makes sense. it answers for what

>>6499603
Why can't you give me a straight answer about what to do in order to learn how to draw? You're giving me /int/ advice about some ultimate goal, and you're talking like this is some newbie boasting but I'm not joking when I say that I have failed for two decades straight. All I want to do is learn how to draw, this shouldn't be hard.

>>6499601
your construction doesn't makes much sense, start with gesture its much more valuable.

>>6499609
I'm inclined to think you're trolling, but given the apparent level of neuroticism on this board, you may just be inflicting your own misery onto other anons for some kind of cheap catharsis. your past failure is irrelevant except that it seems to confirm your unproductive obstinacy.

you can't be frustrated with me for giving you an ambiguous answer if you can't even state your own goals unambiguously. if you refuse to be more specific, then all I can tell you is to just draw.

>>6499595
>does it happens
I think it doesn't, but I'll fully test by making a couple of drawings in different resolutions, since this microlag does not always happen

>>6499597
> If 1080p gives you lag then it must be something wrong given your specs.
well, what can be wrong?
What is the normal canvas resolution work on? I have a 22hd, does it matter for picking the resolution?

>>6499625
What's so hard about asking for a detailed order in order to learn? Take this example:
>Construction, perspective, lighting, anatomy
Why is it so hard to get that's what I'm asking for? Why are you artists so inept at understanding what people ask about, why do you even bother replying when you can't actually answer?

>you may just be inflicting your own misery onto other anons for some kind of cheap catharsis
Or maybe I'm telling the truth and there's no hidden meaning. Ever thought of that?

>>6499627
does the dpi matter? it was set to 300

>>6499630
no

>>6499627
is it lagging at 1080, what software are you using? on windows? we need more info to help

>>6499630
DPI only matters when printing otherwise just focus on resolution

Hi beg, here's my work from last night and today. The full figure on the left was some reference I found on pinterest, the other ones I'm trying to learn to draw the torso.

>>6499629
because people come in at different levels. if you have really spent two decades failing at art, saying something like
>Construction, perspective, lighting, anatomy
is only productive if you spent those two decades just drawing your own belly button over and over. which wouldn't surprise me.

if that's the level of advice you need, then you shouldn't have to shit up a thread asking dumb questions and getting aggressive with people trying to be helpful. you could literally just scan some threads for five minutes. or do a google search. or subscribe to proko or NMA. just go do drawabox or some shit and don't come back if you're going to be a cunt.

>>6499641
>because people come in at different levels.
What does that have to do with anything? Why can't you present something standardized for a specific order that would tell someone what to do? If they're already good at step 1, they can skip ahead to step 2.

>people trying to be helpful
How are you being helpful by refusing to answer a simple question and getting angry at me for being mad at you for saying something I've seen on these threads a million times already?

>you could literally just scan some threads for five minutes
Scan the archive and you'll find me. Not helpful.

>just go do drawabox
Already tried and failed that, got the box burnout, and these days /ic/ rallies against him. Why do you hate me so much for asking simple, basic questions?

>>6499496
this is probably the best version of this you've posted, but are you going to ink and color it? the composition is very busy, you have ~9 characters but only three really doing anything. you could drop the foreground characters and another one of the doctor guys without losing much. you should really push to ink and color it.

>>6499644
jumst
draw

>>6499650
see
>>6499583
and the rest of the conversation before you tried to loop back because you shut down again

>>6499634
I'm using Clip Studio Paint on windows 10
I'm trying a 1080x1080p canvas and it did happen once I think, it's hard to see really, maybe it's actually normal parallax? idk

It's like, most of the time the program paints at the same speed that my brush, but every once in a while I get micro freeze where it takes like 0.5 miliseconds and therefore stays behind the brush

sort of like when you have a massive canvas 30,000x30,000 and select the biggest brush, give one and it takes a milisecond to paint it? it happens kinda like that

>>6499646
>drop the foreground characters
but it is giving it context, there lot of them, at the same time. it some industrial alien babe making room . but I didnt noticed that until you pointed
NTA

>>6499652
it can be multiple things from software settings to OS settings try https://support.clip-studio.com/en-us/faq/articles/20190019

>>6499597
Thanks, good thing composition is my next topic of study. I was trying to emulate what I saw other art do with the gradients in the screen tones (and screen tones in general), but I don't really have the skill yet obviously.

>>6499657
>Although there is no problem normally, if the drawing delay occurs at a regular interval, it may be affected by installed resident software or the driver.
>If an Xbox game controller driver in installed, drawing will be delayed in Clip Studio Paint.
lol wtf, I do have an xbox controller, uhg bros don't do this I like my fighting games. I really hope it's that though, I'm gonna try cleaning the computer, might even make a fresh install and then return to the drawing (with the 8000x8000 canvas) to see if it keeps happening. Like I said it's weird because the brush is almost always super responsive, but sometimes I make a small like and it lags behind the brush.

Thanks for the help, would have never guessed an xboxcontroller could cause problems.
Anyway, as I'm here I might as well ask, what canvas sizes do most people work with? for web, pixiv, normal stuff. Does the actual size of the display tablet matter at all?

Unrelated to pic, I want to learn how to paint digitally but brushes confuse me.

>>6499672
weird, check Xboxstat.exe on the task manager, terminate it and reboot I'm seeing that other Bluetooth device and lag csp

what canvas sizes do most people work with?
4k or I just scale up or down that ratio as need it. A lot of people just use some default like A4.

Does the actual size of the display tablet matter at all?
not the size but the resolution of the screen is what matters

>>6499673
ctrl+paint and sinix are good places to start.

>>6499646

I guess I could. It is just that the atmosphere has it to where Elly is surrounded by faceless men yet she is alone. The other two characters with faces are there for a reason as well.

But thanks for giving me advice. I just have trouble grasping certain concepts and need to brush up on my basics. I had plenty of past versions where I could easily erase the foreground characters but some faggot kept trolling me in the board so it was hard to do anything to change.

>>6499681
>4k
so I should make my next canvas about 3840 × 2160?
I heard people do it on higher resolutions since then it looks better when scaled down to 1080p, crisper or whatever
>Xboxstat.exe
sucks but I don't have that running so it's probably not that (good for my games) I'm checking the posts from people having the problem with the controller and most couldn't draw a single line, unlike me which is occasional small lag.
>Cursor settings (and brush settings) can also cause lag. If the above doesn't help, head to [Preferences] -> [Cursor]. Make sure delay stabilization is off, and try switching all cursors to "dot."
I'm gonna check that later as well, will probably make a fresh install anyway

>>6499685
>so I should make my next canvas about 3840 × 2160?
if you are asking this kind of questions then dont give too much though 4k its ok (or even 2k x 2k) when you get there you will know what size do you need, focus in drawing. good luck have fun

>>6497012
What is this? It's a collection of familiar shapes but my braineye can't piece them together

>>6498956
tfw no BPD gf

>>6499638
Lookin' good. Nice line work.

>>6497109
1.face is dead wrong, look at the negative space
2.finish it pussy

>>6499609
Just do Brent Eviston's class. Do every assignment four times, not more. Once you've done the eight weeks, if you're not satisfied, do every assignment four times again

>>6499644
Nobody hates you for asking simple questions. Everyone finds you obnoxious for not listening to the answers and crying about how you failed and that you should demoralise other anons for it.
In the last post alone, an anon suggested 3 different ways to learn, of which you've only tried one. That was enough for you to start complaining and go "woe is me, drawabox burned me out"

>>6499644
pure autism

>>6499644
Think this is more you.
https://www.wikihow.com/Draw

>>6498956
how would she know if I was lying

https://vimeo.com/674903509

While I did this portraita few months ago for a character in a nation RP I was in, i'd want to get a feedback on it since I am currently wishing to have more "detailed" (if I can use said word) faces (used here a portrait of Philip the 4th of france as reference)

>>6499067
>/beg/
Can u elaborate on what exactly is /beg/ about it? It's just a sketch btw, haven't even given her clothes yet
>>6499008
>The mouth the the most visually offensive about this.
I like the mouth tho. What else is "visually offensive" about it

>>6499570
windows 10 fucking xbox game bar lags CSP for me until i end the process. might be something on your system

I'm not an artist myself, and I don't see myself practising drawing everyday for the rest of my life, but let me tell you that you're all gonna make it. Keep on trucking, I love seeing everything you draw.

>>6499657
>If an Xbox game controller driver in installed, drawing will be delayed in Clip Studio Paint.
fucking chink made garbage lmao

>>6499773
Vibe.
>>6499775
Verry nice especialy the eyes on top left.

what's the most progress anyone has made in 2-3 years?

experimenting w/ textures and colors, i think it turned out alright, but a little messy and aimless
>>6499800
cleaner, less shaky lines and bolder shading would go a long way and the colors are kinda bland, too. if you don't wanna learn rendering then use more dark colors and lines to add detail
same thing applies to the face, unironically take a look at something like JJBA's closeup panels and look at how much volume you can add to a face using just hatching. ofc you actually have to know the face's planes and all that before doing that otherwise it'll look off

>>6499852
How would you measure that?

some copies

thots?

Would anyone mind giving me some tips on coloring and clothing?

>>6499871
actually looks good, like the shading you did. Just be careful of the face as its the most important part, especially for the artist your copying his expressions are king, so having them off changes the feel of the girls your drawing a ton. Try /ASG/ as youll get better critique on copies there

>>6499876
Upper body is good but the lower body is a bit awkward.

>>6499862
by looking at their art in a 2 year timespan.
do they go from kiddie scribbles to realism and high end digital art?

christ how do you even place characters and objects into a scene, dont be like me and spend your days just drawing inside your comfort zone, actually open a book.

>>6499852
I think there's a progress thread if you want to see how far people have come.
As for myself, I went from child scribbles to mid-/beg/ in two years. I think I'll make it to /int/ in two or three more.

Keys to Drawing claims to have 55 keys but only has 54. What's the final key?

>>6499876
Swap the positioning on the legs. It would be awkward to balance the weight of the bow on the raised leg.

>>6499858
This is awesome
>>6499951
Pyw for curiosity sake?

>>6496910
Anyone have any references in this position? I tried side back of head kiss but I’m having a really hard time finding something. Otherwise I don’t know what I’m doing

Here is another update.

I dunno who else to erase or how to have to have this pic feel less busy with the composition.

I don't know how else to improve.

Forgot the pic.

>>6499766
What answers?
>Last post alone
I did all of those and not one helped, you singled out the one example I showed. I guess you artists never learned how to read. Completely ignoring what I ask and providing harmful advice? That's hatred.

>>6499768
Well yes, autists don't know how to draw.

portrait that I made in mspaint

>>6500028
>'I WANT ANSWERS ON HOW TO DRAW'
>-is given several dozen options of how to draw-
>'WAAAHH I DON'T UNDERSTAND! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DRAW'
Ok nigger, draw a skeleton
>'BUT I DON'T KNOW HOOOOOW'
here's an example, google up a skeleton an copy it if that's too hard to do
>'BUT THAT DOSENT EX-'
Nope, just copy it and actually look at it. post results then you get more critique over what your doing wrong because so far? you keep up this 'muh 20 year failure' and have shown 0 fucking examples.

I has nothing better to do so tried to adjust some more annoying to me parts of it. but I only saved png so some things not easy to edit. Can you at least understand what is depicted, what is going on on a picture.

>>6500028
What did you not understand about "subscribe to Proko" or "try NMA".
Or "Do Brent Eviston's course", from that other post.

redline pls.

another portrait

>>6499964
Here you go. I also did >>6496917

I'm at work doing nothing, I should be drawing but I'm too tired. How do you push through that?

>>6500203
doodle

>>6500124
Sure, let me dox myself by reposting art hashes that /ic/ has seen before, what a novel suggestion!
>>-is given several dozen options of how to draw-
And no. That's vague as fuck and entirely unhelpful.

>>6500165
That doesn't get me anywhere. None of those do.

>>6500223
What makes you think there's a simple answer.

>>6499966
I have no idea what I'm looking at, try constructing it with simple shapes?

>>6500153
Yeah looks readable, looks nice asf!

>>6500223
>That doesn't get me anywhere. None of those do.
Which one of these have you tried?

>>6500251
What makes you think there isn't?
>>6500266
If I said all of them, would you believe me?

>>6500268
>If I said all of them, would you believe me?
How many weeks of Brent Eviston's course did you do?

>>6500272
Three-eight.

>>6500258
The main thing is the head. Just forget everything thing else. I want to draw the back/side of a head but can’t find any references pics for guidance

>>6500177

>>6500274
Like this?

>>6500268
>What makes you think there isn't?
You haven't accepted anything so far.

>>6500283
I haven't accepted vague advice that doesn't tell me exactly what to do, no.

>>6500285
Draw this.

>>6500289
Draw what about it? Everything, the form, the 3D shape, the lighting?

>>6500291
Yep.

Bring back thread challenges....

>>6500273
So you've learned all the way until advanced shading, done all the exercises, and you're still saying tou need to learn from the very beginning?

>>6500296
What part of continuous, unending failure is hard to get? All I can do is force myself along to the next exercise.

NEW THREAD
>>6500316
>>6500316
>>6500316

>>6500299
Anon, I think the ony failure here is that you never got therapy.

>>6500337
Sorry, I got that too.

>>6500277
Thanks! I see now why it looks so fucked.

>>6500278
Yeah but like anime I guess

>>6500356
Np
>>6500371
Pretty sure it's the same shape from the back no?

>>6498380
Still better than that garbage remake. Keep going anon, harness the power of drawing from imagination.

>>6500261
It was question mark question mark. Like do you think dudes will kill the girl?, is that a prison?

it was loosely based on this kind of thing. Vidio game inspired.

any advice on doing these perspective exercises?

>>6496954
Same

>>6499800
The nose and mouth are oddly simple compared to the rest

>>6500194
Double check filenames before posting more

>>6500291
Here's mine from a few weeks ago. Picking simple things to draw will help you get a better sense of what you should actually be learning/working on

>>6502395
Juya No Yami, the name of the project, about 10 mentally ill girls trapped in a cursed maze like school, and later on they kill each other in gruesome ways, Like how Ichiko strangles Nimiko to death and then hangs her corpse to make it look like a suicide.