/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6494209
Finished this like a year ago and looking back got me thinking, is it readable that these women are covering themselves with the ghost's cloth or is it too convoluted? Wasn't able at all to draw almost anything in 2022, I'll get back to it this year

>>6494227
It kinda looks like they are being devoured

>>6494228
pencil dick

Draw this.

>>6494189
Are you lazy anon? Do you think you'll ever get through it?

Trying to do still life to understand perspective/shadows

>>6494270
I really like how this came out, shadows look accurate, maybe there'd be some shadow in between the fruit in the bowl?

>>6494227
Not very readable to me. I think some of the hatching within the drapery is making it a bit busy/confusing.

>>6494270
Sovlful hatching, well done anon

Hello beg, dont look at my boxes and kill me instead. This science approach to drawing makes a lot of sense but the precision and execution needed to pull it off is off the charts.

>>6494227
add basic color or some extra hatching to separate clothes from the ghost fabric and it will be. I like it even as it is now

>>6494286
Unironically what level of autism would you need to be to waste your time doing this?

>>6494289
I wouldn't call it a waste of time. Anon is clearly dedicated if nothing else.

>>6494292
>spend the time practicing things you can use in your next work
or
>spend the time rotating basic shapes 300 times over

peak crab mentality

>>6494295

Let's see your rotated shapes in perspective.

>>6494299
anon I just said that shit is a waste of time, why would I then proceed to copy the fag who did that in the first place?

>>6494307
pyw

>>6494308
you first box fag, or is all you have more compilations of boxes to post

Alright, since this january I got enough time to grow an habit and draw most days (got 4 finished pieces as of now), from the next month on I will properly start the hard grind to study and see if I can reach a level around some mutual artists and other people I follow below in just around 9/10 months by drawing for around 6-8 hours per day (except for maybe bottom middle and bottom right since I recognise I might need more time to be on par with), with 3/4 of these hours spent studying the fundamentals I need to my cause and maybe study pro artists. My primary focus is on general character art and being able to draft quickly while still being efficent and applying fundies first, then coloring and basic backgrounds for making my art feel finished second. Wish me luck.

>>6494270
why does this look so familiar like I've seen it somewhere before.

How the fuck do you draw faces? I go to live drawing and I've learned to be pretty good, at least passable with bodies, but faces and hands are utterly impossible. Everytime I try I get so disappointed in myself I give up. I don't get it. I feel like I want to bash my head against a wall or something. I can't for the life of me get the likeness down. It's like I'm blind.

Posted my most recent attempt, after some drawing by Michelangelo.

>>6494336
cant tell if trolling or not

>>6494295
my next artwork involves a lot of rotated forms!

>>6494286
there are a lot of weird errors in there
>the blue "rotated cube = rotated horizont"
since they share 2 vanishing points they would need to share the third one as well; they're both rectangles. if you rotate the rectangle around one axis you'd only share 1 vanishing point
>draw 50 cylinders
most of these are wrong in some way or another. mostly it's execution, the occluded ellipse in the cylinder usually doesn't fit perspective. but in some you've made escher-esque cylinders that don't foreshorten properly (in the middle of the page there's that cylinder starburst. the cylinder that's at 10 o'clock gets wider as it moves away from the camera. also, the 3 left side cylinders are oriented differently than the other 5)
>slice a box
this kind of stuff would benefit a lot from actually using vanishing points. everything you're trying to do can be exactly right for almost no extra effort. scott robertson's how to draw has a great chapter on it

>>6494282
>maybe there'd be some shadow in between the fruit in the bowl?

Yep, I think I missed some small shadows.

>>6494329
I took a reference from google so maybe someone else already did it or maybe you found my instagram post.

I'm IP banned lol.

Could someone help me with the side planes of the chest? I have a really hard time defining the change with lines. I also have a really hard time putting the proper attachments for the pecs and delts.

Might be one of my worst sketches I've done (took like hour and quarter), so the only takeaway is probably "haha cat with thumb", cheers

>>6494336
Faces are insanely hard. Unless you learn to stylize them(anime, cartoon, etc) they will look grotesque until you are out of beg tier. However you can use grids (old masters used to do this) to help you, besides that Loomis is king for heads.

pizza

>>6494375
>(took like hour and quarter)
anon...

>>6494377
Yeah

>>6494369
do you watch Marks videos? your style looks like his

>>6494249

>>6494374
get michael hampton's figure drawing. it has a dozen pages on just this area of the body

>>6494388
You mean Marc Brunet? Not really. I've been studying Acki Bright a bit.

>>6494402
yep thats who i meant, reminded me of his style immediately

>>6494369
>I'm IP banned lol.
Why?

>>6494409
Idk, I wasn't expecting the upload to go through. Usually it won't let me. I guess someone in my IP range has been fucking around .

>>6494412
Kek, shit happens

>>6494312
We all know you don't even draw.

>>6494438
skulls are better than the face. which pixel do you have?

reminder to not reply to schizo posts.

>>6494390
Thanks!

>read keys to drawing
>books tells me I should draw a vase of flowers
>look for references
How the fuck do I draw this. LITERALLY impossible. It's too overwhelming. I can't even do one singular flower. Even one petal.

>>6494438
Please do resize your images.

>>6494466
Start with the vase.

>>6494466
Analyze it
Soak it in

>>6494466
>>6494498
>>6494513
Cool advice, however, I am going to take an easier reference. That shit is just beyond my level

>>6494466
Start with proportions. Split your image in halves and thirds to find the rought position of some shapes.

For example the bottom of the ellipse representing the water level is at a half + 1/8 of the vase.

>>6494380
Guess I needed to warm up, picrel was done in 20 min max

>>6494528
Anon I...

>>6494528
Moar Loomis

Gonna do more today
Left was done high

>>6494528
Go look at things.

>>6494524
I could do passable outlines with passable proportions. In fact, I did half of them, before giving up and erasing all that shit. My main problem is the complexity inside a singular flower, take this one for example, my eyes can't even follow all the lines here

>>6494541
His shoulders are too small i feel embarrassed now.

Doing this for an art trade/collab

>>6494562
his head is too big.

>>6494565
no its the correct size
>>6494562
everything apart from the head is too small

>>6494541
Posted the wrong. Fucking picture a minute ago.

>>6494562
is this mlp fanart or why is that horse so small

>>6494571
Too much face.

>>6494565
>>6494569
The guy's head?
>>6494588
it's an arabian horse breed, they are smaller and thinner

>>6494605
Got a blog?

>>6494209
Did someone said "birb"?

>>6494614
yeah the head.

Made some corrections

>>6494666
truly a mark of the beast post.

all you're art is shit and you will never make it
thank you for reading this post.

>>6494680
>you're art
*Your
Go back to elementary school

>>6494685
Am i banned

>>6494617
https://twitter.com/_JaggedRogerr HIIII HIII IHI

>>6494691
you're an ftm tranny aren't you

>>6494705
Their style strikes me as biologically male (t. FtM)

how did I do bros? My main focus was practice on perspective

>>6494719
why do you draw the stair handles infront the tree 2 times
you fucked them up.
you fucked up the buildings in the back too

its like you drew them individually and placed them in instead of going with the line of proper perspective and then adding them in

>>6494719
Good effort. The street seems to be further way in the reference than what you were able to convey.
I'd look at the big shapes and angles.

This year will be the year I finally do it. It might have been 4 years since I first wanted to learn how to draw, and I might have only drawn for 1 week for every 6 months in that period, but this year will be different. Truly.

>>6494719
Look up "vanishing points"
In a shot like this, with 3-point perspective all three vanishing points will be far, far off the page.
Not bad as a thumbnail but looking closer the flaws become obvious.
Keep practicing.

>>6494713
kys

>>6494713
pyw? Most ftms I've seen have this weird sort of cutesy anime style, which is not exactly like the artstyle of normal females but is just recognizable as an ftm artstyle

>people bringing up trannies for literally no fucking reason
You people don't draw do you?

>>6494750
Because it's meaty man fingers trying to emulate graceful and delicate woman strokes
You literally can't not do it.

>>6494749
>>6494755
pic related

>>6494757
This is an artboard, post your work or fuck off you shitposting retard.

>>6494726
>>6494728
>>6494745
Thanks, indeed looking back, it would have been hilariously more accurate and easier if i had just drawn the big shapes correctly

>>6494761
How is anything I said wrong or not art related?
Dilate, disgusting freak.

>>6494771
Because nothing implied the artist was even a tranny you drooling fucking retard.

>>6494773
Ah, of course a confused chopdick can't read.

>>6494750
I made this >>6494571 and >>6494541
I also made picrel
The above posts were made after drawing sonic shit for over a week straight so I'm rusty.
I'm working on some pretty female brained stuff right now (Humans with very basic animal features) (To give myself credit I have never done this before, I have never found anthro stuff all that interesting) and I'll reply again in a few hours
>>6494757
Female To Male, FtM.
Learn to read retard.

>>6494757
>meaty man fingers trying to emulate graceful and delicate woman strokes
I was talking about the opposite retard a ftm is a female to male, which means they still draw like women but they have a distinctive twitter artstyle

>>6494775
Not a tranny retard. Does baiting for (you)s make up for the fact you don't draw?

>>6494776
A funny for example of a cartoon style

>>6494776
WRONG fucking picture again. Sorry. This is an example for cartoon stuff i do

trying & failing to draw the same person at different angles

>>6494757
>retard can't read
Kys too

lighting study I did recently

>>6494811
You should try to make more subtle, longer gradients.

How do you study from a book? Am I supposed to try to copy all the drawings on the page, or do I just follow the directions of the words on the page? The Vilppu Drawing Manual is already overwhelming me if I'm expected to copy everything.

I was going to draw more but something came up
Later today probably

>>6494811
You got the composition/proportions wrong. Your bounce light is either too hard or non existent in certain places. All your darks are too dark and your lights are too light. You missed occlusion shadows. The transition from light to shadow in curved planes is too harsh. Even though everything I said is optional at the end of the day and you can change it in the way you see fit you should at least understand what is what before creating your own vision. You should try again until you get it right to avoid moving on while developing bad habits without correcting them

>>6494816
vilppus manual isn't a /beg/ book but to answer your question you should focus more on the drawings than the words. You should still read the book but focus on the drawings

>>6494884
Ah, thank you for the advice. I guess I kinda figured that out as I kept reading, just goes to show why you hold your questions until the end of the presentations :P
>vilppus manual isn't a /beg/ book
Well, I copied all the gestures in the first section and think I've got a feeling for it. Tomorrow, I'm going to copy gestures from various pictures I have saved and whatnot. I'm having a lot of fun with it and am excited to practice more, so even if it isn't /beg/ I'm still getting along kinda well, I think.

5th time in a row I’ve been stood up. Pretty depressing desu, can’t be assed to tablet. Here’s a doodle of a Loli to express my depression

How do I find the vanishing point in a figure/character drawing that doesn't have background elements?

vanishing point is property of set of parallel lines.

is she kawaii

>>6494901
That loli would never stand you up anon
Love u

>>6494968
I feel like her hair doesn't match the rest of her

>>6494982
please redline because i know u'r right but i can't see it myself with my unexperienced eyes

>>6494993
>red line
>paint

>>6495011
get cancer

>>6494968
She cute, kawaii, hentai boobies that excite me

>>6494922
You mean the horizon line? There's going to be lots of vanishing points because the body is not a box. Just estimate where the eye line of the camera is. You can inscribe a box around the body and find its VPs if you like.

>>6494901
Is that why you're a pedophile? Because you can't get real women?

>>6495024
I'm not a pedophile.
But I will say little kids love when I chase them around, they have a fucking blast.
I don't get what it is about children wanting to be chased, its weird and exhausting.

>>6494968
It's a little wonky, but overall pretty cute yeah. I like how you painted the hair, nice stuff.

I look at the eye placement and chin and face lines and see a lot of my own struggles looking back at me. Are you an alternate version of me or smth?

>>6489105
Calling this one done here. I'll head back to grinding, and probably shift gears as far as subjects go.
I've been doing the same sort of thing for a while, so I want to broaden my horizons.

>>6495035
Is the right one supposed to look like she's making someone give her head?

one of today's warm up pages

>>6495033
do you have any trick to perfectly insert these features?

>>6495035
Wow I love this. Nice!

>>6495041
No, sorry. I'm not the right person to ask, I can barely draw a face without it offending and traumatizing people.

>>6495036
Not at all.

>>6495051
Thanks!

>>6495068
Well it really looks like she's making that blue ball go down on her.

>>6494837
Thanks for the critique. Also
>occlusion shadows
These are the spots where no light gets through, like in picrel, right? I actually did include these, but they're not noticeable since I made the shadows way too dark lol.

Hey guys.
Can I get some advice on how I can improve?

Hi beg, I did this last night and this afternoon because I was tired of drawing anime girls. Are there any artists I should study who do cross hatching/heavy inking/horror comics?
>>6495079
do some loomis for faces and some anatomy, otherwise I would just suggest working on fundies, especially perspective and composition if you're going to make more like this.

I tried to draw an anime girl face from imagination using proportions I found online, but this looks a little boyish to me. Adding eyelashes and thin eyebrows doesn’t seem to help. Is it the shape of the eyes or jaw or something?

>>6495020
I guess so but more the vanishing point of the image itself, I've seen in perspective books that there are usually 3 with one near the middle to represent the line of sight.

This figure drawing reference for example, where would the direct line of sight vanishing point be?

>>6495173

Same as it ever was. I never seem to get any better even after years......

I think I may as well give up.

>>6495183
there's no such thing as a vanishing point for an image itself; objects in a scene have a vanishing point.

>>6495183
>>6495186
anyway, just find the VP of the plane they're standing on.

>>6495193
it's all guess but I think it must be lower. above her head maybe somewhere

>>6495185
how long have you been drawing? are you pushing yourself outside your comfort zone by trying things like inking and rendering/painting to bring your stuff to completion?

>>6495197

I have been drawing since I have been a kid but I have mostly been self-taught. I have been here since 2018. Here is my old work.

>>6495195
nah, I take it back seems like you was right all along. but it just doesn't look like that to me/

>>6495195
It's not exact because the plinth disappears behind her but I'm guessing she's about a foot off the ground and the camera is maybe 5'

Why are there so many videos on drawing the head but never anything on connecting it to the torso?

My heads always distort and twist away from the body because I never have any concreate or reliable techniques to place it.

>>6495204
Hampton, Bridgman, Morpho, Stonehouse, Anatomy for Sculptors, TomFoxDraws all devote time to the neck and shoulder girdle. As far as videos go I'm not sure, sorry.

neck is attached to like in the center of head ball and face attached to that front that ball. but it not going down, under head there is a hole in a chest and neck curved from the back and it strapped to the front and tubes going trough hole it doesn't explaining anything i'm just babbling

>>6495200
keep pushing yourself, you're not bad by any means, maybe just plateaued at the moment. take it from someone that stopped for a long time and was demoralized, it's better to keep pushing through. maybe switch it up and draw try something completely different than what you normally do. the david finch roadmap has helped me a lot. https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/
also one thing that may help and I don't see recommended often here is to buy an online course from an artist you like and follow it. sometimes it helps to see the process of how others do their work from start to finish. another thing to practice that helps with composition is thumbnailing. get a sheet and just hammer out a dozen or so different compositions, play around with placing characters, perspective and using negative space before diving into a bigger piece.

Not sure I can post my work here anymore, you guys are fucking weird
maybe it's time to finally take the twitter pill

How am I supposed to draw?
How am I supposed to not inevitably burn out year after year grinding the same shitty boxes?
>draw what you want teehee~
Well, I want to draw big cities with things happening in them like pic related. Now what, big boy?

>>6495265
>dont want to draw boxes
>wants to draw an image that is majorly boxes

>>6495268
Yes, I know the irony of my statement, do you want a shitty box as a prize? There's an ocean between a garbage wobbly DAB and a detailed cityscape.

>>6495274
>>6495265
get a copy of Framed Perspective and a copy of How to Draw
go nuts

I can't even figure out how to do tits with a boob window

draw boxes in the form of sityscapes this way you will draw boxes and sityscapes. but sityscapes usually constructed unlike dab freeform boxes. "Perspective made boring" and this kind of architectural kind of stuff. define horizon, draw flat roofs or footprints parallel to that plane > extrude

>>6495179
You forgot the boobs.

>>6494619
No, no one did.
But those are some nice birds.
Good shapes, verry sexy.
Only one bothering me is the bottom one, their necks are verry curvacious and draing it like that doesn't do it justice imo.

>>6495292
Unironically look at Robertson's how to draw first few pages.

>>6495265
You want the result of years of work, without actually doing the work. Your brain is probably burnt after years of instant gratification from vidya. If you want a shortcut, you can try out AI image generation, though. Or here's another way: you can just draw cities and maybe you'll discover you have special innate talent of understanding perspective, light shadows and composition and you are better than all the pleb boxfags. Pick up a pencil and give it a try.
But really, do you possess any skill on professional level? Literally any. Carpentry, cooking, gardening, engineering, programming, any sport? Do you not know you need to learn to crawl before learning to walk, before trying to run?

>>6495036
I thought the same thing. I think the porn might have rotted my brain.

I should draw...but bed is so comfy...no...

This is the only piece that I worked on for many hours in a while. I wish i could sleep up the process, and my linework is still messy (I like it, do a degree)
God my hand hurts so fucking much.
Boring pose but I did it because I had done more dynamic ones before and I didn't just want to repeat them + I wanted both characters' faces visible.

>>6495463
Speed up*
Fack
>>6495425
Get up!

>>6495308
Ok now what

>>6495496
There's no saving it. I'm afraid you have to start all over.

Just decided to draw up a new pic. Was wondering if it is any better.

this is blending with the hard round brush? i used opacity, should i use flow? if so what level?

>>6495546
Try.

I wonder if people will recognize me from how I draw some day

>>6495581

>>6495582

>>6495588

>>6495590

>>6495581
Impossible to know.

>>6495463
This feels a bit gay.

I think I'm NGMI. I used to like drawing but grinding fundies is painful. I don't give a shit about perspective or values or gesture or any of this. Is it really that necessary to improvement to autistically study like this??

>>6495527
Why is she pregnant

Don't regret doing drawing on the right side but it definitely gets less useful as it goes on.
More and more focus on erasing graphite over actually drawing so I guess that's the authors cheat method of getting quick impressive results.
You can tell when the exercises stop producing good results because the student examples suddenly vanish and are replaced by instructor ones lol.

>>6495637

Cause I like drawing women giving birth. That and she is sentenced to be forced to carry a child for treason.

>>6495642
The original did it better.

>>6495647
>More and more focus on erasing graphite over actually drawing so I guess that's the authors cheat method of getting quick impressive results.
I don't get the irrational hatred some begs have for an eraser. For pencil drawings a kneaded eraser is just as important as a pencil itself. What do you even mean be "cheat method"? What do you use to draw highlights? Autistically avoid tiny areas all over your drawing to not get even speak of graphite on it? There is a thing called "eraser in a pencil", would you like it better?
Eraser is just a tool to add a particular color on your drawing. It's not better or worse than any other way of adding any other color. It's just your autism speaking.

>>6495667
Nah this isn't reflective of what's happening at all, you just wanted to go on a gay little rant.
If the aim is instructional drawing and everything is just tone the paper, draw an outline and then erase a bit you're not actually learning anything outside of the drawing an outline bit but it looks impressive when you show people "progress after 4 days" before and afters

>>6495672
I don't even understand what do you mean by "impressive results". If what you describe leads to you drawing better, then do it? What the fuck are you even on about? Also you don't even need to tone the paper, I literally didn't even do it when I did exercises from that book.

>>6495663
well yeah, that professional work and I am a putz drawing on the internet. Any ideas on what I can I do to do better in the future?

>>6495683
>Any ideas on what I can I do to do better in the future?
Either measure more or take more liberties.

>>6494209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LfeqrWxN9Q

>>6495703
Nice

>>6494389
Fuck that's creepy.

>olson’s perspective class is 40 fucking hours
do i need to watch it all to be gud?

i didn't do much today. I don't think i'll develop a drawing habit like this. Uhm.

>>6495753
I like the flow here good job looks nice.

>>6495752
Rights linework looks awful, continue to use the brush you use for sketching and stop overthinking, it'll make you second guess and fuck yourself over. Here's what I fixed for the left.

>>6495754
Depends.
>>6495769
Ok.

>>6495754
No..? Don't overthink it. Unless you're autistically into something binging it for 40 hours will make you hate it. Search up videos that are to the point then try to emulate them. Rinse and repeat (without doing the same pose or whatever over and over, don't be lazy and get some variety) until satisfied.
>>6495770
Thank you!!

>>6495752

Is this supposed to be Elly from Xenogears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

I was doing these exercises he listed here, except with printer paper and a pencil, since i don't have money for anything let alone new art supplies rn.

I thnk I'm doing it wrong though, I got to the fifth one, and it became easy because I was able to follow the indentation of the paper from the first lines. They're not supposed to be that strong, right? Just light brushes that match the lines? Or is it fine for the practice? I'd ask HIM but the comments are turned off. Also, sometimes when I'm drawing the line the paper will sort of wrinkle up on me and it goofs up the lines.

Also, he's right handed, and I'm left. I found it's easier to draw going right to left on the line, then left to right. Should I be practicing the line both ways or is this something I should remember for later; starting on the right side of a sketch and working left?

I'm sorry if this all seems silly to ask, but I'm having a hard time shaking all this doubt and anxiety about drawing, doing exercises right or not.

>>6495593

>>6495773
thx but I like mine better.
>>6495785
idk dude you tell me.

>>6495335
>You want the result of years of work, without actually doing the work.
What if you did put in years of work and it never worked?
>Your brain is probably burnt after years of instant gratification from vidya.
Keep projecting.
I'm burnt out alright, from years of instant failure from "learning" to draw with garbage books like Drawing on the Right SIde of the brain which wants you to pull out a full body mirror on the very first exercise, Keys to Drawing which tells you to draw hands, Fun with a Pencil that doesn't understand how to explain anything to an actual beginner and not a seasoned amateur, and we can't forget the link in the /ic/ sticky that asks you to draw picasso upside down. That doesn't get into failures with draw a box or dealing with drawing "instructors".

>But really, do you possess any skill on professional level?
Do you? People are better than average compared to others in their weight class. In each of the skills you listed, there are people who are talented and naturally gravitate to those fields, especially programming and sports.

>>6495820

She looks pretty close.

Did I do the places right? Feels like i completely botched it especially in the nose area. been trying to do stuff like this then free hand so I can get the place memorized

>>6495826
>what if you did put in years of work and it never worked
Not like you would know.
A monkey could learn perspective. I think you're smarter than a monkey.
If you absolutely want clean lines and angles, measure things and use a ruler to draw the lines, and copy the art you posted.

Thoughts?

>>6495826
If you are not just a whiny nodraw and you are really grinding boxes for years, then just move on to drawing what you enjoy.
If you have been REALLY drawing for years and not just on and off with total time spent drawing of couple hours, literally just draw what you want. Post the city you drew for a critique.
And if your brain is hardwired so that you are literally incapable of drawing after putting hundres of hours of effort (which I doubt), just move to 3D and stylize it to 2D. Or just put boxes in blender to represent building you want to draw and trace over them.
>I'm burnt out alright, from years of instant failure from "learning" to draw with garbage books like Drawing on the Right SIde of the brain which wants you to pull out a full body mirror on the very first exercise, Keys to Drawing which tells you to draw hands
Did you not improve at all after all the exercises in these books or did you just give up?
>Do you?
I am a professional software engineer. I spent 16 years total to get from absolute 0 to be on above average level in my field.

>>6495841
>Not like you would know.
I would know as that's what I've done.
>>6495850
>If you have been REALLY drawing for years and not just on and off with total time spent drawing of couple hours,
What if you have been drawing for years but you were never, ever able to overcome the symbol phase? Plenty of people on deviantart are stuck there. You're telling someone who's broken their leg to do a marathon.
>I am a professional software engineer.
I'm sure you are.

>>6495856
Just give up and stop shit posting, you're clearly retarded

>>6495856
Why are you on this board anon? You clearly hate drawing and have no intention to improve.
No able-bodied human is incapable of drawing a box, especially with a ruler. A cityscape is just a bunch of boxes. So go ahead, pick up a pencil and a ruler and copy the drawing you posted.
Either do that, or do us all a favour and give up. I've seen retarded scribblers go further than you, because they were not deathly afraid to draw.

>>6495849
You’re on your way but should work on hands and conveying a sense of gravity and weight. Overall, I like it!

>>6495856
No, you need a background in STEM before you can draw lmao. Doctors can draw (Dr. Paul Richer, Artistic Anatomy). Programmers can draw (Eric Barone created Stardew Valley) Stop being a lazy piece of shit. Start problem solving. That is literally the basis of drawing and any other goddamn career in existence. Even the oldest profession in the world aka prostitutes problem solve how to swindle your ass over drugged drinks LMAO.

>>6495856
>What if you have been drawing for years but you were never, ever able to overcome the symbol phase?
Did you though? Surely after years of drawing you should have dozens of works you can post? You did really draw for years, didn't you? Maybe you are just hypercritical of yourself? Post 10 of your works, it should be a tiny portion of what you drew throughout years. Maybe they are better than what most in /beg/ can do.
>Plenty of people on deviantart are stuck there
Because most of DA are literal kids, who never even try to learn fundamentals.
>I'm sure you are.
I didn't claim to be a billionaire or some outrageous shit like this. It's just a regular profession, what's hard to believe?

>>6495865
Thank you anon !
How should I work on gravity and weight? Gesture drawing?

>>6495856
Fine, it is impossible for you to learn to draw! You're just too retarded.
Now just fuck off and stop posting on this board if you don't think you can learn you miserable fucking faggot.

I'm so fucking bad that I can't even copy the colors from reference. I wish someone could hand hold me regarding coloring

>>6495876
The reference

>>6495876
just colour pick your reference if you're really struggling

>>6495879
Believe me or no, this is exactly what I did. I color picked every part but still screwed up

>>6495876
>>6495877
Where the fuck did you get this blue from?
Colors are relative. If you make the background blue, but the reference does not actually have blue background, it WILL throw every single color off.

>>6495881
In what world did you color pick any of these. Is your brush 50% opacity or what.

today’s practice. my husky! had difficulty depicting shadows and fur and different colored fur with just pencil

>Tie self worth to drawing skill
>Be too lazy to improve
>Have suicidal thoughts for the rest of your life

>>6495894
reference btw

>>6495894
You need to learn to simplify things into 3d shapes. Are you using any courses to learn?

>>6495912
i’m in the middle of drawabox. got my 250 box section graded and approved

i feel like the snout is appropriately 3d but i struggled with depth of the rest of the shape of the face

>>6495914
I don't see the construction lines. Did you draw a cube and rectangle first?
If not, you probably should start with that, and don't erase them. It really helps.

>>6494375
Don't worry anon, trust in yourself, make it

>>6495914
you did 250 boxes without context, probably most of them shared almost the same angle, try tracing shapes over pictures.

Didn't draw as much as I wanted to today, but thats okay.
Next week I'm going to try and crank out a large finished piece instead of practicing and drawing sketches all the time

>>6495902
dog

>>6495931
oh my gosh that’s so cool. i get what you mean now. saved the photo she’s so cute!

>>6495930
nice job on the hair and right cheek.

>>6495944
LONDON
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>>6495861
What happened to saying anyone can draw?
>>6495864
A) What's the point of a ruler?
B) What if it looks wobbly as hell anyway?
And no, you and I both know I can't copy that, nor should I.
>>6495869
Why do you immediately default to whores? And why do you think anything about what you said detracts from my point that you need talent to draw?
>>6495870
I have dozens of boxes if that's what you want. I will never in a million years degrade myself or my works by drawing without the so called fundamentals.
>literal kids
It's 2023 anon, the people you saw on DeviantArt in 2003 are 20 years older now.

I do I get over anxiety every time I try to branch out from my comfort zone (shit scribbles on paper)? I want to learn inking and colors but I can't get myself to start.

>>6495970
kill yourself

>>6495970
Post work already.

>>6495976
I'll still be here after you give up when you realize you're never going to make it :)
>>6495980
What work? I asked you again do you want to see the boxes I posted last time?

>>6495970
>What's the point of a ruler
To help you make straight lines.
>What if it looks wobbly as hell anyway?
If you're too retarded to use a ruler, you shouldn't be physically able to use a keyboard to type this message.
>you and I both know I can't copy that, nor should I.
Making this retarded post instead of trying is why you're NGMI.

>>6495975
*How do I get over

>>6495983
show

>>6495930
gmi

>>6495975
Awareness is the first step towards change.

>>6495975
Use the cheapest paper you can find, and draw like you're just here to ruin it anyway.
It's what helped me get over that. Keep going anon.

>>6495984
>keyboard
>type
Uh?
>>6495987
Show what?

If I understand correctly, a head in 1-point perspective that is positioned more on the side, but still looking ahead, will have the side showing just like a head in two point perspective, right?

But the front of the head (case A) would have the horizontal lines straight, where in 2-point (case B), the front would follow a perspective line.

Well, this is confusing, does that mean the side of the head is similarly drawn in both cases, but the front is more flat in 1-point?

This kinda bugged by head.

>>6495970
anyone but retards can learn to draw now gtfo retard

>>6496000
Your boxes.

Is it okay to skip ahead to human drawing if I still do perspective stuff on the side?
I like practicing but I don't really enjoy drawing non-human stuff so I think I could draw more if I started learning stuff for drawing them now

>>6495983
I don't draw to "make it" or not you neurotic faggot, it's a leisure activity and skill to build for fun. I have a real job.

>>6496014
>can draw
Draw what?
>>6496015
Sure.
>>6496021
You will never build your skill. That is your definition of making it and that's why it's impossible.

>>6496007
A isnt 1 point perspective, the caveman way is how many parallel set of lines there are in the x,y,z space.

trying to learn the rotate skill and apply it to the simplified human figure from imagination
did anyone ever translate the Krenz stuff?

>>6496029
no, but theres no reason to go for bad translation, scott robertson, nicolaides right angle studies are a good places to start

>>6496032
>nicolaides right angle studies
Never herd this before, I'll google it

>>6494209
Something feels off. and I don't know what.
I want to go for a more boxy feel on the clothing, but I can't get it how I'd like. When I do the rough drawing with just 3d shapes I feel a lot closer. But when I go to try line art I feel it loses all that quality.

Any idea why? I've been trying to figure this out for a while now.

>>6496007
A's horizontal parallel lines also have a vanishing point but they're so far out of your "cone of vision" that the lines look parallel with to the horizon.

>>6496041
for drapery always try to represent everything with triangles if you can, then your pants are too tight (the shirt too) and the shadow on left leg doesnt help to add volume, for drapery is advise to not drawn all the lines leave some room for the eye to do the job.

>>6496052
>Try to represent everything with triangles
How do you mean? I think I have a general idea, but I'm not sure.

>>6496028
>>6496047
I see, so if I kept pushing a cube in 1 point perspective far enough to the side, the lines would start to converge to a point, right? So in the extreme sides of our cone of vision, where there is distortion, things are basically in 2 point perspective, even though they are facing us.

I thought it would only happen some heavy foreshortening in the width, but stay flat.

Thanks anons.

>>6495931
>>6495930
>>6495703

These are really nice and really demoralizing at the same time. good work

>>6496061
keep in mind that there are 5 main folds, this is just a way to simplify form

>>6496071
if the vanishing point is at a infinite distant from the subject the lines on the same axis are going to be parallel to each other.

>>6496041
Boxy?

does this pose look right?

I don't get constructionism, drawing elipses and a shitton of lines everywhere just makes it more confusing

>>6496110
Not quite. But I can't tell you why.

Is it still too early to figure out what I can do with this pic?

>>6495527

>>6496139
how do you end up with this specific fetish? do you remember when you first realized you liked that stuff?

>>6496143

I was late when it comes to figuring out how the baby gets out in childbirth. And the muscle stuff I have Nakayohi Mogudan and Dairoku Tenmaou Great to thank.

>>6496110
The outstretched arm looks a bit stubby, and the shoulder is placed too far back. The pose itself is a little rigid for a body that's supposed to be in motion. Remember lines of action.

any advice before i clean this up?

>>6496178
Thank you for the help!

Can someone help me with this? It looks off but idk why. I have a really hard time with pecs changing planes. Also do you guys draw ON TOP of your construction or INSIDE your construction? Thanks.

How is one supposed to go on about learning to draw tacticool shit? NVGs, vests, helmets and such.
Like picrel's got me pondering what the fuck is half the shit they're wearing; there's so much velcro, pouches, so many parts to a single vest, it's really confusing and i don't know what i'm looking at most of the time. How does one study such things?

I feel like construction doesn't matter much when drawing faces alone. Right now it feels better to just get basic proportions down and work there from the eyes since they are the hardest part.

>>6496209
>do you guys draw ON TOP of your construction or INSIDE your construction
Which one are you doing?

>>6496214
Didn’t know fkey browses /asg/

>>6496221
Trying to follow Hampton and draw on top of my forms but I can't seem to get it right.

>>6496214
it just you know these faces well enough you can see where to to place stuff without drawing lines after eyes/face angle is established.

>>6496212
i'd say it might be helpful to pick up a book and read about general history for the uniforms, what standards were at times depending on the uniform, what each individual part is used for and why it was designed that way.
I find personally, when I have all the reasons and "whys", it becomes significantly easier to remember how the parts are designed.
Bonus being, if you know the whys and you've memorized say, 3 or 4 different bulletproof best types and how the straps go on them, it gets way easier to make one up without having to look at a ref. (even if looking at a ref would be smarter.)

>>6496256
Let's see your construction.

>>6496291
This was the construction for it.

>ON TOP of your construction or INSIDE
there no correct way, boxes usually made in way real thing could fit inside, loomis face attached on top of loomis thing. it up to you how you represent it and depends on how real thing correspond to simplified form

>>6495754
The full class is 111 hours. You have to watch all of it.

>>6496297
I take it you're using reference and not drawing this figure from imagination? The probem I see is that the boxes you've drawn don't match up with the figure. Like you know how it should work, but you're still just guessing when you put it on the page. It gets clearer with more practice and anatomical studies.

>>6494605
draw under night in birth character and post to yor blog for FREE clout at least 200 rt

>>6496320
No I was using Imagination that's what I do on the weekends.

>>6496320
Which makes what you said make a ton of sense since I actually am kinda guessing where to put stuff. You're totally right though more anatomical studies are def what I need. Recently got the Elliot Goldfinger book though and have been looking at that for a bit so here's to hoping.

>>6496366
I've never read Hampton, but maybe reread what he has to say about construction if it's still giving you trouble. I would also say to give Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy a try.

Fuck beg. This is obtuse, boring and incredibly hard to draw without flaws while at the same time its the most unimpressive shit one can draw. This construction approach to drawing is like the worst shit ever. If i started my beg journey with this book i would have quit on day 4.

>>6496212
The word you are looking for is called Encyclopedia. The old school type which isnt online. Packed with a lot of images and labels
https://www.amazon.com/DK-Eyewitness-Books-Discover-Soldiers/dp/0756645395
>>6496018
skipping stuff you dont like is great way how to have massive gap in your fundies. You dont see me skipping construction despite me bleeding from doing it
>>6495894
cute doggo
>>6495849
thumbs up for imagination
>>6495817
interesting take on using sharpies for "painting" but dont expect many people ever praising you for stuff like this
>>6495815
the feet need a bit more few contours, they dont match the level of detail of the rest
>>6495806
less overthinking, more drawing. The only notable question is about counter or clock wise. And the answer is you kinda want to be able to do both
>>6495647
if you start by making middle tone paper by splattering charcoal everywhere then eraser turns into your second pencil. You arent erasing then and instead you are drawing the white tones
>>6495254
>he thinks ANY social media is normal
lolololololololo
>>6495079
easiest improvement for you is adding colors imho
>>6494816
You read it, you do what it tells you to do. And many also copy all the drawings in it as a bonus.
>>6494619
i kneel
>>6494289
All the INT books presume you can draw and rotate basic forms in your head. If i want to level up i have to sooner or later master this shit. No other way around it. And if you dont see value behind being able to model/sculpt complex shit from simple cylinders and boxes then you probably dont draw. I wont lie though, this is extremely anti fun pure autism approach to art. Its like i am trying to turn myself into AutoCAD or Blender app.

>>6495984
>never posted an attempt himself
gg

>>6496413
Drawing isn't fun.
What order of books should I read to level up?

>draw lines and circles and shapes
>THEN the IRL stuff
OOOOH. Why the fuck did it take me this long to pull that from the stickies? No shit I can't draw the people if I don't know how to draw the shapes stable. Well, now this seems a lot less impassible, fun with a pencil assumed too much of people.

>>6495013
Good song

>>6496413
At least twitter doesn't have mass replying spergs like yourself

>>6496541
You will never make it.

>>6496611
Yeah, probably not, but I'm gonna have some fun learning to draw the funny cartoon people better.

>>6496627
You would have more fun diffusing them.

>>6494209
cute birb

>>6496635
What, like AI learning? I mean, it would be cool if we get to that stage where you can just take a bunch of pictures of different angles of a characters and the machine could make animation or poses of any sort in art, but circles and lines are easier to git gud on.

>>6496640
Go to almost any board other than this shithole and you'll learn how much better you can be.

>>6496642
NTA but I've been on /ic/ for two years, and it has genuinely helped me a ton. It's the best board I've used, because it actually gave me results..

>>6496645
I've been on this dump for 13, and you retards have never been able to help.

>>6496647
Why are you still here then?

>>6496652
To help others understand that talent is real.

>>6496653
Oh, you're that anon.
No wonder the board hasn't helped. You haven't picked up a pencil for 13 years.

I was pastel drawing a landscape for couple of days, got frustrated and sprayed it with water and smeared the shit out of it and drew this shit on top.
Thinking about leaving the background blank(or minimal detail), but should I skeletonize the body or make it more human-like?

>>6495753
Gorgeous

>>6496696
I think it'll be more striking with a human-like body. It's looking great, anon.

>>6496413
>you don't see me skipping
you're the guy doing multiple beginner books for no reason/attention, why would a /beg/ listen to you about skipping stuff

Over-worked the right one.

>>6496696
A mix of both could be cool

what should I do as an absolute beginner? Any one specific thing Inshould practice now before moving on to other things?

Is copying a good /beg/ tactic?

>>6496812
Pick up a pencil and paper, and an absolute beginner course, like The Art & Science of Drawing.
It's the one I took, and it starts from the very, very beginning.
As for what you should practice the most, it's basic shapes, perspective, line quality.

>>6496814
Master studies have been a thing forever, anon. You're doing great.

>>6496814
from my observations it's most gmi thing to do

I made an update to my work. Dunno if I can fix anything.

Made another labour today. Is it better than >>6495849 ?

Now don't laugh I'm still an amateur despite drawing for almost 3 years and made this I'm like 2 mins, what do you anons think?

>>6496854
Why even bother posting if it's something you made in 2 mins. Why should anyone else put in effort to critique when you're unwilling to do the same with your drawing.

>>6496850
holy fuck this lion finna boutta be dabbed on

>>6496854
Your character has two right feet. You are drawing too small, and your lines are not very confident.
You need to pick up some courses from the /ic/ torrent and work on the basics.

>>6496860
you're talking about the artist book thread right? Looked at a couple of them but I have this weird thing where I somehow can't apply them properly to my work.

>>6496862
I'm talking about the terabyte of video courses in the video courses thread.
Pick a beginner course, like Ilya Mirochnik's or Brent Eviston's, and start from the beginning.

>>6496857
I mean I applied what I learned to this picture and wanna know what others think

>>6496867
It's not good, anon. Which is normal, this is /beg/. But you need to grind the fundies.

Can't post pictures again. Probably good since I was going to post shit scribbles.

>>6494209
>>6496910
>>6496910
>>6496910

>>6496656
>that anon
Which anon?

>>6496122
They say anon's brain shrunk three sizes that day.

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