/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

It matters if you want to be able to execute your vision as precisely as possible and without any technical limitations holding it back.

It doesn't matter if you just want attention from TikTok kiddies I guess.

>>6492023
>Does skill even matter anymore?
It matters, to an EXTENT.
Here's the thing: even before AI technical skills (figure drawing, perspective) only took someone so far.
Even the skilled artists (Rockwell, Frazetta) had interesting CONTENT and could tell a STORY in their art.
And then there were artists with a simple style (Charles Schulz, Dr. Seuss, New Yorker cartoonists) whose main selling point was the content.
If anything, AI clarifies this issue artists have to come to terms with eventually. Your skills are in service to a larger purpose in your art. Once you discover what you want to communicate in your art, you can focus on what skills to build (for example I want to make comics, so I focus on cartooning instead of high level digital painting).

In case you aren't an AI pajeet trying to shit talk, the answer is AI generated will die down and art will be the least affected job out there.
This shit is not the first time. Tech fags always boast about replacing artist when they photoshop was invented and photobashing became a trend. Photobashing is so much better than AI when you need less than an hour for a perfect piece while AI shitter need days of prompting and editing for one decent copyright bait.
Photobashing couldn't kill art, the inferior version of it have no chance.
The real problem most AI fags avoid mentioned is they spam the art sites with their failed creations with full malicious intent. Imagine an obese tumblers spamming her selfish under Art tags in Instagram/Twitter, multiply by millions.

>>6492043

they try to get job in the industry too...

>>6492023
>With all that AI shit coming up, even the respect for artists who do real work disappears.
AI's already been here for months and this isn't happening. After a flood of generic airbrushed anime girls and muddy sci-fi landscapes the wow factor has died down. I haven't seen one artist's patreon take a hit.
People will always want art from artists for the same reason they'll always want novels from authors, there's a story behind the story, a peak into how another human thinks and views the world. There's a social aspect to art, and that includes admiring the skill and curiosity around the process.

>>6492023
Man I just picked up a gig illustrating kids books in a cool 50s style, I hope the zeitgeist doesn’t fuck it up

>>6492023
The modern society encourages everyone to be equals despite this notion being completely unrealistic and unnatural. When this philosphy is being pushed as a global narrative then every traditional ideal and standard becomes meaningless. When there is no authority to dictate society into following such merits to uphold their well being through artistic and scientific gratification then everyone just gets reduced into mindless zombies consuming what is deemed to be cool and hip in order to cope with life and fill the void without really giving a thought about what they consume. This is why people solely seek instant gratification in their meaningless and stale lives. Western socities no longer have any purpose or standards that they used to uphold. This is why we are morally, spiritually and intellectually in a downhill decline.

>>6492023
I'm going to just repost my reply to every dumb AI thread I see.

Yeah capitalism is pretty bad

>>6492049
I can't tell this is satire or not anymore.

>>6492127
That's clearly bait. Check the profile lol

>>6492115
>everyone hates and is jealous of artists
That has got to be the cope of the century.

Artists have shown to be pretty despicable people, so of course everyone is just taking out the piss on them since they have the chance now.

Only other artists are jealous of artists that they employ shitty malicious tactics to either drag down another, make them fail or try to leech off of them.

When every reasonable point against artist is met with
>hurr durr ur just jealous
>hurr durr ur a techbro pajeet and u haet artisststs
>hurr durr u just steal
>hurr durr u just want to b rich & famous!!!
You give the people making fun of artist more reason to do so because artists are not aware of the hypocrisy they're spewing.

Artists have become the current worldwide lolcow since they're unable to just be normal, reasonable people with an IQ of 100 that do not constantly talk about themselves, but instead waste their time virtue signaling against AI for clout and social media numbers to ultimately talk about themselves.
And the current discussion is simply used to troll.
Many artists are already adapting and using AI in their works; some are open about it, most are not as to not get cancelled by other "artists".


The only thing AI is killing, is the trash that should not be even allowed to interact with other people and outing retards that do not care about making art.

This shit shouldn't be a discussion in the first place, because if any of you faggots drew, you would know what's up.

>>6492023
there is high skill in marketing too

>>6492130
Just stopping and calling all artists Nazi sound like a troll, but he's a genuine vegan. That why I can't tell he is insane or not

>>6492131
wow you seem to know a lot about artists. My iq is 140, that does not change anything. High IQ does not help you if your personality is not made for this capitalist bullshit society. And no, artists are not the lolcow, people with inflated egos using AI, thinking they are artists, are. You don't understand that it is not about the AI. It feels like shit when you see your art being used in the database and you can't do anything about it. That's the reason why this lawsuit is going on. There should not be a commercial product using all of our art for training. If it would be ethically sourced, then artists would maybe think about the possibilities of the technologies.
Art is not about making it more productive. Why should we take the privilege of creating away from humans and make it automatic? Is this the utopian world view you have of the future?

>6492141

>>6492131
The first half of your post is talking about these so called lolcow "artists" finally getting what they deserved then say

>The only thing AI is killing, is the trash that should not be even allowed to interact with other people and outing retards that do not care about making art.

in the latter half. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my posts which makes me think you didn't seem to understand what I was saying.

First of all, why are you grouping lolcow "artists" with normal good artists using these retarded anti AI arguments like stealing when I said "people with actual KNOWLEDGE and SKILL" which is NOT the lolcow artists you are pointing about obviously. These people were never going to be popular with or without AI.

>Many artists are already adapting and using AI in their works; some are open about it, most are not as to not get cancelled by other "artists".

Yes. Just like I was saying, this is only remotely useful to people with actual SKILL and KNOWLEDGE and useless to people without those aka the fuck-ton of retards hopping on this trend. I don't know what you thought I was saying.

>>6492140
>For thousand of years, art finally isn't exclusively belong to White Pig anymore. AI art help Black people access to art equally with White and challenge systematic racism.

Bait. Dismiss everything you see on the account.

>>6492131
>Artists have shown to be pretty despicable people, so of course everyone is just taking out the piss on them since they have the chance now.
Stop reading right there.
The one hating artists are tranny tech fags(emphasized on tranny part) and Puritan.
This is not the first time you project your hatred on artists, before AI you faggots will post pictures of food in restaurant and say stuffnlike "Love and admiration can't buy food huh?". Suddenly when AI came, Artist became a "privileged and hated" jobs.
You can't stop showing your nature as a scammer, even with the help of Chat-GPT

>>6492145
And you can't read because if you were able to you'd understand what i am explaining and the nuance i am presenting.
What kind of critical information are you missing?
You said
>"...there can be no reasonable discussion about AI because of grifters and troll who hate artists..."
And on the premise of that,
>everyone just hates artists
i already explained it.
>lolcow "artist"
Anon, what is a lolcow?
>"A person whose eccentric or foolish behaviour can be exploited to amuse onlookers."
>"suggesting somebody who can be "milked" for laughs."
And i already explained that people are using this whole ordeal to piss on and troll artists as a whole.
They do not give a shit about the "good artists".
>These people were never going to be popular with or without AI.
The most vocal people who are against AI are already well established and known artists and they are using this shit for clout and virtue signaling.

People with actual knowledge and skill aren't bothered by AI and wouldn't even publicly talk about it on the social media profiles.
See this faggot for example >6492151
Just another bait to stir up the pot.
I would be the lolcow in this example, being attempted to get milked for (you)s and attention.

I have just explained to you that this shit has nothing really to do with faggots wanting to be artists with the push of a button.

It's trannies false flagging, trolling and baiting and real artists falling for it because they are actually fucking retarded.

If you lurked long enough and tried to talk about this shit, it becomes obvious that they're just spamming for attention because artists can't resist giving in into their emotions to validate their artist-identity by degrading someone else.

>>6492051
>never looked outside of the echo chamber

>>6492023
so why dont you make a tik tok video. stop crabbing around 4chan and promote your stuff.

>The most vocal people who are against AI are already well established and known artists and they are using this shit for clout and virtue signaling.

Then you say in the next sentence

>People with actual knowledge and skill aren't bothered by AI and wouldn't even publicly talk about it on the social media profiles.

Which personally doesn't make sense to me and contradicting each other unless you are saying these supposed "well established and known artists" don't have skills or knowledge? You and I must have been exposed to different parts because I have seen the complete opposite: that is, people with no skills or knowledge being AGAINST AI.

>I have just explained to you that this shit has nothing really to do with faggots wanting to be artists with the push of a button.

Again, you an I must have been exposed to completely different information because my point is exactly that this whole trend is "faggots wanting to be artists with the push of a button."

Anyway, your main point seems to be that this whole trend is just people trolling lolcow artists as a whole? Which I disagree with. It's about people wanting to be artists without putting any sorts of effort ( and failing at it ) like this picture here. >>6492049

>>6492043
>AI generated will die down and art will be the least affected job out there.

keep dreaming retard, AI is going to replace artists before the end of the decade. Why the fuck would anyone give a shit about what you drew when they can tell an AI to create an image with some descriptive words and it comes out looking wicked as fuck. Even animators, both 2d and 3d are fucked, even actors. People will be able to make their own tv shows, their own 3d animated and 2d animated movies. The only artists left are those that can still manage to BS people with their personality and sell "bespoke" art creations to high networth individuals, that's what being an "artist" will become. Not too different from today. If you can't see foresee this at this point then you must have an IQ of 12.

>>6492049
laugh now, cry later. it's going to be so funny to see you luddites get rekt from here on out by reality. AI will become the standard for concept art, it's inevitable.

>>6492180
You've been watching too many sci-fi movies. Refer to this post >>6492115.

>Why the fuck would anyone give a shit about what you drew when they can tell an AI to create an image with some descriptive words and it comes out looking wicked as fuck.

Except you can't? I've yet to see anyone WITHOUT any artistic knowledge actually consistently get popular let alone make a living off it.

It's basically saying why would anyone pay for images when Google already exists where you can find millions of super high quality images/animations for free already. These 'shortcuts' have already existed for a long time and has barely if at all affected the art industry other than adding more efficient tools to make art.

>>6492023
those artists aren't making multiple millions of dollars off of their tik toks if that makes you feel any better, that's a wildly overinflated number.
the biggest art influencers have a few million followers, the people making millions of dollars on tik tok have tens of millions of followers.

>>6492187
Well for one it's making new stuff, but even if you don't think it's making anything new at least you'd have to agree it's much more precise than a google image search. Like picrel, if I lookup on google "tiefling wearing leather jacket and black panties" I don't get what I want, but the AI can produce passable results.

>>6492191
vapid and soulless

>>6492187
sounds like cope buddy, you basically have an art making machine and you think people are going to stick to humans? AI art will only proliferate from here.

>>6492187
>It's basically saying why would anyone pay for images when Google already exists where you can find millions of super high quality images/animations for free already.

Funny example for you to make, did you know that shutterstock and other stockphoto companies took Google to court? Google image search sucks fucking ass now and it's because they kneecapped it on purpose some years ago to protect those companies, otherwise nobody would really be paying for images today.

>>6492195
Sure, but it gets the job done for free, hard to beat that.

>>6492191
It's still just a glorified reference generator. My point is that people keep thinking it's all about how technically impressive the image is when you keep getting art-station pros get mogged by shitty Japanese animu doodles made in 15 minutes.

>AI can generate those doodles too! In fact, it can even generate original copies from so called soulful works like Ghibli

Not my point either, because there ARE technically impressive works that do get popular.

My point is, there isn't some streamlined magical bullet to getting SOUL with art and getting popular with it.

>>6492197
AI is just a a more elaborate version of picrew, it lets normies feel like they "made art" and they get something generic and pleasant to look at at the end.
some folks who would otherwise have bought art might just use picrew, or AI. And good for them! But people who want something with a unique and distinct vision will always find actual people to do art for them.

>>6492203
I don't disagree with that, but I think people are more concerned about the overall devalution of "technical" art, not the creative type but just the one where you're technically skilled and can be told "draw me a night elf wielding the lance of longinus" and you can do that and earn a living. That shit might be going away in the not too distant future.

>>6492197
>you basically have an art making machine and you think people are going to stick to humans?

Yawn. Wake me up if there is actual real data that payment has sharply declined due to "AI art". You are really overestimating the effort people will put in to try and get their favourite art when they can just pay a human. Trying to learn to generate AI art ironically takes more effort which goes back to my first point: AI art is useless with people who doesn't have any technical skill or knowledge.

Another AI thread.

Yes, skill matters.

Ban AI threads.

>>6492208
This, the only people who might stop buying art because of AI are a handful of autistic IT coomers who were blowing their money on coom art before and have found a cheaper alternative that they like to tinker with.

ban ai threads

>>6492206
>but I think people are more concerned about the overall devalution of "technical" art

Actually, that's the current problem with AI art is in that if you try to make it generate something more specific, it just falls apart and you are basically using MORE time trying to fix the mistakes instead of simply drawing it from scratch. Like

>can be told "draw me a night elf wielding the lance of longinus" and you can do that and earn a living.

Okay but the face isn't correct, it's ears are long, the colour is wrong, it's chins are wrong, the pose is wrong there are melting parts here that's merging into each other fix it. How many times do you think you'll have to generate to get EXACTLY what the buyer wants while also fixing the mistakes/redrawing parts? Then you start to see this isn't as good as people is claiming it to be.

Again, artists who are confident in their skill really don't give a shit, even casual artists who are doing it for fun don't give a shit and upcoming artists certainly should NOT give a shit. Nothing has changed. Just like when you have machines that can accurately hit a baseball with 50x the force of the strongest human several times a second, yet baseball as a sport is still huge around the world.

>>6492213
>>6492217
>Please ban what I don't like guys!

>>6492220
not that anon but you dumb niggers are shitting up this board with spam, it isn't about liking it or not you retarded fag.

>>6492219
>How many times do you think you'll have to generate to get EXACTLY what the buyer wants while also fixing the mistakes/redrawing parts?

It will be much faster than drawing from scratch guaranteed. Especially if you're talking about multiple options. Creating an image with AI and then editing it is much easier and I'm sure even pros that complain about AI are now secretly doing this.

>>6492214
>coomers who were blowing their money on coom art before and have found a cheaper alternative that they like to tinker with.

Pretty much. And even then, is it really a 'cheaper' alternative when you have to put a lot of time and effort to trying to know how to use it instead of paying personal artists to do it for you? I think not.

>>6492204
idk anon, this image looks pretty unique to me, I love it. AI is great for character concepts too.

>>6492226
>I think not.
I think so. Why should I pay some guy to draw coom bait when I can have fun generating it on my own just by typing.

>>6492219
Well I did say in the future, not right now. Even now you can get simple stuff done to a satisfactory level but presumably in the future it'll be even better. Also I'm looking at it from a consumer point of view, not that you'd be generating things to sell but rather everyone will just generate their own stuff if it's sufficiently easy and good enough.

>>6492223
>It will be much faster than drawing from scratch guaranteed. Especially if you're talking about multiple options. Creating an image with AI and then editing it is much easier and I'm sure even pros that complain about AI are now secretly doing this.

Congratulations. You have now discovered "photobashing". It's when you take photos, mesh them together and just edit them in a drawing software. This is basically a more fancy version of that. It's not a secret. People have been doing this for many, many years now and last I check hasn't really done anything other than being another neat tool you can use.

>>6492231
>I think so. Why should I pay some guy to draw coom bait when I can have fun generating it on my own just by typing.

Have you paid for any art, like ever? Even before this AI stuff?

>>6492240
do you mean if I've commissioned art from people online? No. But I have spent thousands on art books however. Filled with stuff that all looks like what AI can pop out easily now. That money would of course go to the artists creating the pieces in the artbook. No need buy those anymore. in fact I can make my own artbook and print it if I want.

>>6492234
>Well I did say in the future, not right now.

It's really not a question of it not being "advanced" enough unless you are talking about technology being advanced to the point we have fully functioning general AI catgirls indistinguishable from humans walking around and even then, I think they'll still run into the same trouble.

>but rather everyone will just generate their own stuff if it's sufficiently easy and good enough.

How are you suppose to generate something that yourself can't imagine? Like even if the AI was so advanced that it can directly scan your mind and memories then somehow generate an interesting image from that, but you don't even know what IS "interesting" then how is it suppose to generate anything? It's like telling it to generate a picture of a dog but it has absolutely no knowledge of what a "dog" even is.

In short, as long as you are unable to take the human aspect out of the equation, you are unable to replace anything. The "AI art" already failed in that aspect when you need to train it on existing art first.

>>6492220
I have no strong opinions on AI on its own, though I have no interest in using it in its current state.
I just don't need AI niggers infesting this board like they have been for the past few months.

>>6492265
>The "AI art" already failed in that aspect when you need to train it on existing art first.

not that anon but there isn't an artist on Earth that learned everything on their own, including AI. AI hasn't failed, in fact it's just getting started and the future with AI art is going to be beautiful. Can't wait to see the amazing animations that are superbly detailed in ways humans could never complete. We are so close.

>>6492259
>Filled with stuff that all looks like what AI can pop out easily now. That money would of course go to the artists creating the pieces in the artbook. No need buy those anymore. in fact I can make my own artbook and print it if I want.

Why were you buying them when you can pirate thousands of similarly high quality art books for free on Google? You've already proven your own argument wrong. Why is it that there's already superior alternatives yet people STILL pay for it? If you can answer this then you know this AI doom-posting is nonsense.

>>6492265
I think most people can imagine it, they just lack the technical skill to visualize it. That's the part AI can potentially solve.

>>6492272

>not that anon but there isn't an artist on Earth that learned everything on their own, including AI.

What are you even trying to say with this?

>AI hasn't failed, in fact it's just getting started and the future with AI art is going to be beautiful. Can't wait to see the amazing animations that are superbly detailed in ways humans could never complete.

All completely trained on previous existing human-made art and instructed BY a human. It's not really a revolution of anything when you can't remove the human aspect of it. It's not creating anything new because it's nowhere near being TRUE AI which is what people is probably thinking with this.

>>6492159
you are coping. """AI""" tech that's being forced into everything right now will turn out to be mostly a useless nothingburger. there will be attempts to implement it into stuff, some idiots think that it can apparently replace video game writing and create believable NPCs. it won't last even if attempted

>>6492197
You're not suggesting that AI art will provide a significant market substitute for artists, are you anon? :)

>>6492185
So replaced like you, retard?

>>6492296
LOL

Tech-oids seething

>>6492278
>I think most people can imagine it, they just lack the technical skill to visualize it. That's the part AI can potentially solve.

You think people can imagine what a giraffe looks like when they have never seen what a giraffe looks like? You think AI can magically solve that? Oh sure, the AI is just going to simulate millions of years of evolution, calculating every possible 4 legged creature in existence and at the end the result is probably not gonna look anything remotely close to a giraffe.

I like cool technology like any other guy but I think you have watched too many sci-fi movies. I hope you know the actual scientists and engineers behind this cringe every time someone spouts pop-sci nonsense like quantum mechanics or AI.

>>6492296
>get a real job and learn to code dud

>>6492185
I don't trust retarded faggots who do not even know what a "luddite" is to be right on these matter. you are calling digital painters 'luddites' you fat retard. you are a skilless nobody dreaming himself a rich king, just like crypto fags who also rabidly advertise their shitty "tech" for nothing other than scamming and money making. keep dreaming

>>6492185
>>6492294

>>6492277
There are still two hurdles:

1. People are ignorant of the fact of what's possible.
2. Using the tool hasn't been simplified, yet.

To use Stable Diffusion you must have a decent video card and you must go and download a package from github. This is not ideal. When I share AI art with friends and family they're totally surprised but they don't know how they could create it themselves. Someone only needs to to make an AI art app that is user friendly, then you'll really see a shift. But if someone makes a really popular AI art app, it's highly likely it could get removed from app stores because of luddites bitching. We'll see.

There's a reason that it was Whatsapp that changed communication forever even though Skype was able to do what Whatsapp could do way before Whatsapp existed.

>>6492301
No, I don't see why that would be necessary. I mean someone can imagine let's say a far more beautiful race than Men, generally tall, slender, graceful yet strong, with ears more pointed and leaf-shaped than Human. If you lack the technical skills to draw that, you could then use the AI to visualize it. That seems pretty useful to me.

>>6492153
>The most vocal people who are against AI are already well established and known artists and they are using this shit for clout and virtue signaling.
if they're already established, why do they need this shit for clout you absolute fucking retard? you know what artists should do? they should spit on AI 24/7, mock it for the rest of their lives. make it known they're """"""AI"""""" haters, so that people who don't want to be tricked by you deceiving AI handlers will go to them instead

>>6492282
>All completely trained on previous existing human-made art and instructed BY a human.

Nobody can learn unless they are fed information, including AI. You can't just create an AI and say "make art" without giving it any prior information. How would it even know what art is? Of course AI has to be trained on previously existing human-made art. "TRUE AI" will still have to learn from humans too, it just doesn't magically know everything.

>It's not really a revolution of anything when you can't remove the human aspect of it.

Well AI is a creation of human beings, not sure what you're expecting AI to be. It's not magic, it has to learn like everyone else.

>It's not creating anything new because it's nowhere near being TRUE AI which is what people is probably thinking with this.

It is creating something new actually. It's taking what it learned an making new images that have never existed before anywhere. if you can find me one AI art piece that exists somewhere else then go right ahead and post it.

>>6492308
kek. this would be like me priding myself in the fact that I'm a computer genius, because I know how to torrent movies, install windows, but my 70 year old neighbor who never started a computer, has no idea how to do any of that...so he's shocked! shocked I tell you, at the amazing things I can do on the computer! you're a nobody you fucking retard, anyone can learn how to pseudo google search as it is, you don't need more "user friendliness". a 6 year old can "learn" to do this already, it's not the epik hurdle you try to make it seem to be
>because of luddites bitching
you don't know what this word means

>>6492296
That's progress. Jobs are going the way of the dinosaur, deal with it.

>>6492308
>There's a reason that it was Whatsapp that changed communication forever even though Skype was able to do what Whatsapp could do way before Whatsapp existed.
more retarded analogies by techtards. Whatsapp is just the FOTM, and it will be replaced by something else. and as you said, Skype existed once. what is your point, your analogy makes no sense, dumbass

>>6492308
And what I'm trying to say it's not an accessibility problem nor is it a technology problem. You are going into this with the assumption people even WANT to bother with generating it in the first place. Which is not the case here.

>it's highly likely it could get removed from app stores because of luddites bitching.

Sure but you are overestimating the amount of people that's even gonna use it in the first place which is a requirement for any "replacing" to occur.

>>6492303
>that pic
Those gatekeepers won't even be relevant shortly. The people applying to them don't get that. it's like sending in a book to be published when the internet exists for you to self-publish.

>>6492294
eventually. Like do you seriously believe that in the future AI won't be doing....literally everything? For artists it seems the replacement is close than once thought.

>>6492315
>It is creating something new actually. It's taking what it learned an making new images that have never existed before anywhere. if you can find me one AI art piece that exists somewhere else then go right ahead and post it.
i'm sure you have had this explained before, but you cannot possibly be this retarded. in case you are and it's not bait, the "new" in this case means a new concept. assuming depictions of dragons, or of demons like satyrs, or centaurs, or yetis, never existed, how would you ask an AI to come up with any of that stuff? "new" as in new ideas, not remixed shit that was already made
>Nobody can learn unless they are fed information, including AI. You can't just create an AI and say "make art" without giving it any prior information
humans learned to draw and paint without art, didn't they? or did they find random paintings on the ground from which they learned how to draw?

>>6492327
Don't you need to be over 18 to post on 4chan?

>>6492326
actual juveline sci-fi consoomer logic. machine learning technology has already existed for decades, it's just applied to other newer relevant tech and you see it as some kind of revolution. assuming your meme AGI technology will ever happen, what makes you think it won't end in a global catastrophe due to the consequences it will cause, and thus will fade out of existence? surely you have the mental maturity to understand that you childish utopia of "machines will do everything while I consoom" will never occur

>>6492316
More like old people didn't really use computers or computer applications until smartphones made it user friendly. Now even 80 year olds are connected. You don't get it cause you're an idiot I guess.

>>6492319
Stable Diffusion is Skype, AI art needs a "Whatsapp" killer app for AI art to truly proliferate. Simple enough analogy retard, can't believe I had to explain that.

>>6492321
>Sure but you are overestimating the amount of people that's even gonna use it in the first place
Maybe, or maybe I'm not. That remains to be seen. Personally I think people would love an AI art app if it was simple enough and embedded into something they already use, like social media apps. There's definitely something there.

>>6492327
you're an assblasted nihilistic faggot who wants a robot friend because no human would touch you. is that it? admit it, you chat with Replika other day and delude yourself that she's real
>
Stable Diffusion is Skype, AI art needs a "Whatsapp" killer app for AI art to truly proliferate. Simple enough analogy retard, can't believe I had to explain that.
analogy is simple but it makes no sense. there are already AI art apps. you cannot compare a messaging app with art making app, most people won't be into that and won't care for it. no analogy works as art making is a unique thing without compare, but you're too fucking stupid to understand this
>More like old people didn't really use computers or computer applications until smartphones made it user friendly. Now even 80 year olds are connected. You don't get it cause you're an idiot I guess.
that is irrelevant to my point you stupid fuck. it was still always an extremely easy thing to learn, and they could do it at any time. they just didn't care, just like your average dopamine soaked low attention span retard like yourself will get bored of it one day, and move on to consoom the next thing. maybe you can generate some shitty ambiental music next so you can call yourself an "AI composer" and be just like your hecking favorite musical artist, in your next quest for deluding yourself

>>6492339
>>6492334

>>6492327
>humans learned to draw and paint without art, didn't they? or did they find random paintings on the ground from which they learned how to draw?
all knowledge is an accumulation of learning from the past. If a human is born and you leave them in a dark room and only give them food. They will not know how to speak, they will not understand their environment, they will not understand social or cultural norms, they will not know how to read, they will not know how to draw. An AI is the same. People learn to draw by observing the works of others, or observing objects in real life (taking in information) + practice, that's the same way the AI learns.

>>6492310
>why do celebrities NEED to stay in the news cycle?
>why do twitter cunts NEED to stay relevant?
>why do artfags NEED to draw the FOTM the instant it comes out?
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>6492332
>and you see it as some kind of revolution.
It is a revolution you moron. If I could go back 20 years into the past with a computer that could make this kind of art I'd become the most popular artist on the internet. Even 15 years ago nobody thought a computer could generate images like picrel.

>>6492339
kek, you are absolutely seething and can't even format your reply cohesively. Why does AI art and human progress make you so angry? Do you feel like you're not special anymore?

>>6492315
>Nobody can learn unless they are fed information, including AI. You can't just create an AI and say "make art" without giving it any prior information. How would it even know what art is? Of course AI has to be trained on previously existing human-made art. "TRUE AI" will still have to learn from humans too, it just doesn't magically know everything.

Then I'm glad you agree that it's not gonna replace shit then. There's absolutely NO change in the industry whatsoever.

>It'll dilute the industry!

It's already diluted. 80% of ALL forms of media is already shit and only the top ones get any coverage. It was true 50 years ago and it's going to still be true for a long time.

>It is creating something new actually. It's taking what it learned an making new images that have never existed before anywhere. if you can find me one AI art piece that exists somewhere else then go right ahead and post it.

New? Are you serious? Let's see, you posted >>6492191 A sexy red demon girl with horns wearing a jacket. That's not new. That's a concept I've seen hundreds of times already because you know, it's BASED on previous art. Real original. Maybe you'll at least get 100 likes for it until people start asking if it's AI made after they see the rest of the pictures in your account. You can lie of course but fail to show a layer file and people start ignoring you.

>>6492344
if you truly believe this, then you are actually insane. I mean, even those who came up with this tech disagree with you. an AI has no consciousness or self awareness, it cannot learn the same way and it doesn't
> People learn to draw by observing the works of others, or observing objects in real life (taking in information) + practice, that's the same way the AI learns
this is like the first step of learning how to draw, and the easiest one. and even the AI doesn't do it. observing requires actual focus and self-awareness of what you're doing. an AI doesn't even have capabilities for self-evaluation because it's not an actual living being. it's actually insane that you need this explained to you, I truly pray you're not older than 12
>>6492348
>It is a revolution you moron. If I could go back 20 years into the past with a computer that could make this kind of art I'd become the most popular artist on the internet. Even 15 years ago nobody thought a computer could generate images like picrel.
because you're a retarded NPC who thinks the AI is a living breathing being who totally thinks for itself. if you realize what """"AI""""" really is, nothing more than a computer software for plagiarizing art, you won't really view it as something "revolutionary". venture capitalists try to peddle it as such to make money, you parade it as such because you're an NPC. maybe it does revolutionize something, and that is Indian scamming
>>6492348
> Why does AI art and human progress make you so angry? Do you feel like you're not special anymore?
your loaded question is as worthless as assuming I'm "special", and by that you probably mean you think I draw? I can't draw for shit. I tried 4 years ago, didn't like it, moved on. but I don't delude myself like you are right now

>>6492353
>That's not new. That's a concept I've seen hundreds of times already because you know
the retard thinks that "new" just means "new unique image". his brain is too smooth to go farther than this. he doesn't understand how machine learning works, and how it's impossible for it to come up with new concepts, just remixed old ones

Mods are niggers.

>>6492353
>Then I'm glad you agree that it's not gonna replace shit then. There's absolutely NO change in the industry whatsoever.

How did you get that conclusion from what I typed I have no idea.

>A sexy red demon girl with horns wearing a jacket. That's not new. That's a concept I've seen hundreds of times already because you know, it's BASED on previous art.

Google images reverse search shows no matches, sorry. It's new. This image has never existed before and is not an exact copy of anything.

>>6492356
Anon, it’s just techoids seething they are getting replaced by ai and trying to project their frustrations at artist. They will be to first ones to get replaced, kek.

>>6492358
>and how it's impossible for it to come up with new concepts, just remixed old ones

If that's not a new concept then how do you define it?

>>6492353
>Maybe you'll at least get 100 likes for it until people start asking if it's AI made after they see the rest of the pictures in your account. You can lie of course but fail to show a layer file and people start ignoring you.

So? that doesn't change the fact that it's a new piece of artwork. Just the fact that you have to "prove" it's not with a layered file shows how amazing the progress has been.

>>6492367
>chair
old concept
>avocado
old concept
>themed chair
old concept

>>6492358
And my point is since it CAN'T come up with images on its own that artists are still required? Glad you finally agree.

>>6492363
Of course it isn't an exact technical copy. That's not the point. The technicality behind the image was NEVER the point. People aren't just gonna stop paying artists just because they can generate this which is what people are arguing over.

>>6492372
Okay, but what's a new concept then?

>>6492356
>observing requires actual focus and self-awareness of what you're doing.

observing does not require self-awareness. Do you think facial recognition AI software is self-aware? kek. The rest of your post is similarly retarded.

Lol shouldnt have mentioned AI at all, I was not really trying to open that box with my original post :D I was wondering about effort and skill vs luck/ popularity

And generally wondering why it has to be so hard to survive as an artist. But I get that the AI topic makes it worse... Hate to see art being automated. In my opinion this is stupid.

>>6492368
Then what are you even trying to say?

>Look at the progress of AI art!

Okay then? Thanks for sharing. People are still going to be paying for commissions.

>4:1 poster ratio
remember to do the needful overseas friends i love you

>>6492374
>Of course it isn't an exact technical copy. That's not the point.
no that is the point.

>People aren't just gonna stop paying artists just because they can generate this which is what people are arguing over.
so are you trying to say that there will be no artists that lose jobs because of the proliferation of AI art? Then why are they so afraid?

>>6492326
Ty for admitting to that anon :) Now you can't use the Authors Guild vs Google as a defense and can't claim what you're doing as fair use
Have a nice day!

>>6492383
>People are still going to be paying for commissions.
kek. Commissions of fucking what? their favorite My Little Pony character getting fucked in the ass by Super Mario? they're not creating anything "new" either. just creating a bunch of fan art and coomer shit based on pop culture that's already established. That's what 99.9% of "commissions" are and it will be replaced by AI.

>>6492389
last time I checked downloading movies is illegal yet people do it every second of every day. You need the law to protect you from AI which you claim isn't a threat, funny.

>>6492389
That doesn't matter, at the point AI is substituting the market copyright won't exist anymore.

I notice the AI shills stopped spamming multiple boards daily when the lawsuit shit was announced and finalized, meaning that LAION is probably cutting their marketing funds to save for lawyers and restitutions. Now all that's left is the AIfag spammer who is likely fed up with his own generals because of AIfags literally arguing about "promptbegging" or "prompt stealing."

Oh, and good morning, sirs.

>>6492380
>And generally wondering why it has to be so hard to survive as an artist.

If you look at the history of art, it has always been an uphill battle for HUNDREDS of years. It's really nothing new. And despite so much technological advancements and all the tools you can imagine, it still requires YEARS of effort.

>>6492386
>no that is the point.

Okay then. Post those images somewhere and come back to me after you get flooded with popularity, likes and commissions and I'll eat my own sock. That is, if you don't get outed as an AI "artist" first.

>so are you trying to say that there will be no artists that lose jobs because of the proliferation of AI art? Then why are they so afraid?

Again, you and I have been exposed to different informations but the ones afraid of this are people who are pretty bad at art and would have been doomed to irrelevancy WITH or WITHOUT AI. Normal/Casual do not give a shit about it. Especially popular ones.

>>6492395
>>6492397

"b-b-b-b-but!"
"t-t-t-t-t-that doesnt mat-"
Your honor I rest my fucking case lmfao!

>>6492402
We're talking about the future, not the present. Is that so hard to understand?

remember to report ai spammers :)

>>6492405
Just like you’ll become obsolete in the future, since you’re getting replaced already?

Halt, anon. You've reached a mandatory PYW checkpoint. Show your latest masterpiece or serve your sentence!

>>6492390
>That's what 99.9% of "commissions" are and it will be replaced by AI.

Well then I don't know what to tell you other than you being objectively wrong and lacking common sense. This is my third time repeating this in the thread but I'll repeat it as many times as possible so you can get it through your thick skull.

There's already millions of FREE images and high quality animation on google yet, AND YET, people still pay big bucks for commissions. You are aware of this right? Why do you think commissions even exist in the first place?

>>6492400
>Okay then. Post those images somewhere and come back to me after you get flooded with popularity, likes and commissions and I'll eat my own sock. That is, if you don't get outed as an AI "artist" first.

Is that what art is about for you? getting flooded with popularity? That's not what it's about for me. It's about having an aesthetic experience.

>Normal/Casual do not give a shit about it. Especially popular ones.

how do you know that? I've seen many popular artists talking about it negatively. If it wasn't a threat nobody would be talking about it at all. Either consciously or sub-consciously they all know it's a threat. People just cope in different ways.

>>6492408
not that anon but why are you making it personal? seems you're angry

>>6492405
>current lawsuits aren't going to affect the future of this tech
Oh Raj...
You got too cocky and goofed. Deal with it

>>6492408
As a worker, yes.

>>6492411
>There's already millions of FREE images and high quality animation on google yet, AND YET, people still pay big bucks for commissions. You are aware of this right? Why do you think commissions even exist in the first place?

yeah they pay for commissions because they can't find that exact image of Princess Peach getting drilled in the pussy by Space Ghost. While Trunks from DBZ licks her butthole. But very soon they'll just be able to tell the AI to make it for free.

>>6492416
So because you could kill someone in the future, we'll just put you in jail for murder right now. Makes sense to me.

>>6492420
Shh quiet. You lost :)

>>6492421
Alrighty then.

>>6492415
I know you’re retarded you aishitter, but don’t you find the irony in that?

>>6492412
>how do you know that? I've seen many popular artists talking about it negatively. If it wasn't a threat nobody would be talking about it at all.

People are talking about it because retards ( who aren't artists btw and have no skills or artistic knowledge ) are spreading hearsay about it replacing artists. Have you not seen Indian "AI artists" applying for art studios and being laughed at? Or just pessimistic people with an overactive imagination.

>Is that what art is about for you? getting flooded with popularity? That's not what it's about for me. It's about having an aesthetic experience.

The thread topic is about AI replacing artists. Naturally I will talk about popularity since that decides money or getting a job related to it.

>>6492423
Good paj.

>>6492365
This anon get it

>>6492049
>>6492127
this comment sums it up perfectly to me, people outside of the industry dont realize that most of your time is spent on revisions and not shitting out hundreds of shitty youtube speedpaint quality images.

>>6492428
Thank you.

>>6492427
>The thread topic is about AI replacing artists. Naturally I will talk about popularity since that decides money or getting a job related to it.

Yeah but if more people can get an aesthetic experience without having to pay for art that = some popular artists losing money and maybe even eventually their jobs. Maybe not all of them but many of them. There will be consequences for artists from the proliferation of AI art, I don't see how anyone cannot foresee this.

>>6492432
>most of your time is spent on revisions
you say that like AI can't do it.

>uhhh can you change the hair from red to blue?
>uhh can you move the sword and give her and axe instead

I mean you can do that with AI.

>>6492432
Inpainting?

>>6492419

They pay for commissions because they personally want to support the artist. They WANT it to be made by that specific person. I know this is a very hard concept to swallow since you seem to have a biased, shaded view that people only commission porn to jerk off which again, yes, some people do but the majority of commissioners do it to support said creator.

I don't what to tell you other than go ask people who commission art and why they do it.

Wise move Emad. Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law!
But now... where will the pajeets get their new shilling lines from?!

>>6492440
This is what pajeets don't get, they never support an artists, all of their media consumed through pirating.

>>6492437
>just prompt the hair bro
>just prompt a axe bro
I can tell you have no idea how specific revisions can be in the industry.

>>6492440
If you are commissioning a piece you are buying a product, this whole "supporting an artists" is just weirdo parasocial shit that sane people don't engage in.

>>6492435
>Yeah but if more people can get an aesthetic experience without having to pay for art that = some popular artists losing money and maybe even eventually their jobs.

Nope. People commission because they SPECIFICALLY want to support that artist. I highly doubt they would even notice a dent. People have watched too many sci-fi movies and are exaggerating.

This "aesthetic experience" of yours is similar to people intentionally or not caring about overpaying for a fancy restaurant when cheaper and even more delicious methods already exist.

>>6492451
>weirdo parasocial shit that sane people don't engage in.
You mean something that 90% of people do isn’t sane, pajeet?

>>6492451
>If you are commissioning a piece you are buying a product, this whole "supporting an artists" is just weirdo parasocial shit that sane people don't engage in.

I didn't say it was a fucking charity. Obviously the artist HAS a product that people like otherwise they wouldn't had of even be getting commissions in the first place and I assure you these people are nowhere near technically good at drawing yet still get money with some even doing it full time.

Keyword here is TECHNICAL. You could easily argue they aren't skilled at all yet are still getting money. Why is that? Why is the "masterpiece" AI drawing that has perfect lighting and shading not getting mogged by these shitty drawings? Easy answer. You can't magically create SOUL.

>>6492453
Why don't the 90% choose to support artists without having to gain anything from it?

>>6492043
>In case you aren't an AI pajeet trying to shit talk, the answer is AI generated will die down and art will be the least affected job out there.
It's especially funny seeing /g/ faggots seething after their industry has been receiving RECORD LAYOFFS while I haven't heard a professional artist in the industry being laid off, not even one, all my friends are still working and they are even more fired up since this bullshit came out.

>>6492440
I won't deny that a certain percentage of commissions happen because of "fans" who want something done by an artist whose work they were inspired by or whose work they feel a connection to. But ultimately, art is about art, not the artist.

>>6492455
>>6492451
getting mogged*

Technically impressive art has been mogged by shitty drawings since the digital drawing age has begun.

>>6492449
oh please tell me how specific. Let's hear it

So far I've only seen news of journalists and techies getting bftod by AI.
Nothing about artists outside of rumors and speculation

>>6492458
Right?
>When you tried to shit on artists but instead united them en mass for the first time in history and received lawsuits and thousands of layoffs in return
2023 looking kinda bright kid

>>6492452
>People commission because they SPECIFICALLY want to support that artist.

Why? it's not about the art in that case. Why should I pay to feed a cow when I can get nice milk for free?

>>6492460

>But ultimately, art is about art, not the artist.

And I'm telling you since art is built upon art made by human artists, you will not be able to take the human aspect out of it. And since we've proven that AI can't create things out of thin air, no replacement of any sort is happening and that people doomposting are complete retards.

>>6492463
AI pushing the shit in of artists has literally just begun, give it until the end of the decade. I assure you things will be very dismal for any artist that creates digital work.

>>6492462
Art directors can get relay autistic the exact angle something is
>rotate the head more towards the camera
>rotate it more
>no too much
>now tilt15 degrees up and to the left

>>6492466
>Why? it's not about the art in that case. Why should I pay to feed a cow when I can get nice milk for free?

You are technically paying for feeding the cow when you buy the milk. This analogy is strange.

More like, why hasn't home cooking been replaced when fast food restaurants exist?

Or that machines have surpassed human strength and agility for hundreds of years now but we still have human sports which is still HUGE.

>>6492462

>>6492458
>not even one, all my friends are still working and they are even more fired up since this bullshit came out.

well yeah, it just arrived on the scene. Just wait until the people who have money find out about it. You think people that finance the creation of anime shows for example wouldn't like to replace paying those animators with an AI. same for movies, games, everything. The only thing that will have value is ideas.

>>6492474
And where is the art for it?

>>6492475
shut the fuck up apu, go back to coding, oh wait HAHAHAHA

>>6492473
You think ai shitters are smart enough to come up with that?

>152/40/29
Your average AI bait thread

>>6492473
>More like, why hasn't home cooking been replaced when fast food restaurants exist?

but it has to a large degree, just google "the decline of home cooking" and just like how home cooking isn't replaced entire of course AI won't replace artists entirely. There will always be room for someone with charisma who can bullshit people into buying "bespoke" art. Same way some bullshitter can con people into buying paint splashes on a canvas. But for the majority of working artists, people that are creating art from companies with investors that want returns on investment and care about money and bottom lines, they're in trouble.

>>6492475
Lmao. The post you replied to talking about "layoffs" aren't even people who fucking code or do anything important so even THAT is disingenuous. They are the people who drink latte all day and rest in the meditation lounge while doing 'work' for 15 minutes before they have to go into the stress room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc

>>6492474
if you think an AI won't be able to do this in the immediate future, if not now, then you're kidding yourself.

>>6492469
>>6492475
>"j-j-just give it a few more weeks/months/years i-it will be good y-you'll see"

>>6492486
it's already good. you mean give it more weeks/months/years and it will get even better. Which is true and bad for you.

>>6492483
>coping this hard
tik tok code monkey

>>6492476
Locked in the company vault behind multiple NDAs.

>>6492484
>>6492489
better pray to your multiarmed whore god or whatever sandeep when you inevitably kill yourself kek

>>6492482
>But for the majority of working artists, people that are creating art from companies with investors that want returns on investment and care about money and bottom lines, they're in trouble.

We have established in this thread that AI CAN'T create stuff out of thin air, correct? You are again going with the assumption that artists will no longer be required which is false. How are they in trouble?

I'll tell you right now the only thing this will actually affect is we might actually get GOOD open world games now that are actually filled with stuff which again, will STILL require hundreds upon hundreds of workers on standby because it's that complex of a project. By the way, big companies have already been using this form of AI for a very long time. It's nothing new.

>>6492367
an artist already conceptualized that back in 2019. and there's kids chairs shaped like avocados on amazon. not an original idea.

>>6492500
Okay here's something that's very simple and easy to understand. In 1hr, one person with a shovel can dig as much as 5 people using their bare hands. So instead of hiring 5 guys, you hire 1 guy that knows how to use a shovel and you give him a shovel.

>>6492496
They should have past works or a portfolio somewhere showing they do that

>>6492505
Okay, just imagine it was something else that an artist hadn't conceptualized yet, then what?

>>6492475
>The only thing that will have value is ideas.
That's the thing that mattered before AI. And drawing is FAR better at developing ideas than AI.
Try it. Imagine a show with specific characters, a sci-fi one, for example. Now go into SD or MJ and try to produce model sheets of those characters from multiple angles, with multiple facial expressions. Create the space ships from multiple angles. Create a cohesive city-scape with signs (with text).
You can't.

>>6492506
Disingenuous straw-man analogy. You are like the Indians applying for companies that claim they can "do the work of 10 people".

The 'shovel' in this case magically lifts itself up and refills the hole or the shovel weighs 1 tons which will require extra machinery. In that case, it would be more efficient to hire 5 people to dig the hole with their bare hands.

You first have to prove and establish that AI has the potential to do the same work as artists because so far it's on the same level as the generic pop-sci drivel that AI will replace all of humanity!! The singularity is upon us!! Like back in the 1900s people imagined we would have flying cars instead of zoomers fortnite dancing on tiktok.

>>6492500
>You are again going with the assumption that artists will no longer be required which is false.
Stop thinking in all or nothings. We have cars now but you can still find people that ride horses right? That's what's coming for artists. Just about everyone will be using a car (AI) but you will still have those weird and funny people using a horse (human artists).

>How are they in trouble?
Because if I own a company that makes say animated movies and I can use an AI to replace 80% of my workforce and get a better return on my investment budget for making a movie then I'm going to do it.

>>6492511
Okay, lets say that I have an idea for a comic book. Can you guess the setting/genre/tone of my story from this collection of AI art? Or is not cohesive? I think it is.

>>6492530
Pinterest mood boards are nothing new anon.

>>6492520
>Cars and Horses
Bad comparison. You are seriously comparing the automotive revolution to... drawing? Are you serious? I'm convinced you all watched too many movies or read pop-sci articles and have no idea what you are talking about. A more accurate one would be claiming that photobashing will replace art, which as you know never really happened.

>Because if I own a company that makes say animated movies and I can use an AI to replace 80% of my workforce and get a better return on my investment budget for making a movie then I'm going to do it.

First, you have to prove that this is ABLE to replace the workforce in the first place because all you have to go on is the ""potential"" which means jack shit. It's like saying we might POTENTIALLY cure all health problems using AI so you don't have work out or eat healthy or whatever.

>>6492519
If you can't understand even such a simple example I can't help you.

>>6492541
You haven't proven the shovel even works in the first place. Anyway, go and apply for companies with your AI work and let's see if they'll hire you or if people will give you money for it.

>>6492543
>if people will give you money for it.
Oh they will off of fiverr, anon.

>>6492506
This is a very strange way to conceptualize art as if it is just basic labour. This would be like saying hiring 5 cheap surgeons for your heart transplant is "better" than the qualified experienced surgeon. "well the five cheap surgeons could do more heart transplants in the time that your qualified surgeon could only do one!"
Or that it is better to hire five cheap lawyers for your case than one good one. I could go on but a lot of work especially as you move up in industries follows this principle.

>>6492537
>You are seriously comparing the automotive revolution to... drawing? Are you serious?
Yeah I am comparing them. Art being made by machine is pretty huge. If you don't think it is then you must be pretty young.

>First, you have to prove that this is ABLE to replace the workforce in the first place because all you have to go on is the ""potential"" which means jack shit.
Oh no, potential is never jack shit. Potential is big, huge even. I've been alive long enough to know when something is going to be huge.

>>6492530
>Ideas

Lmao. Everyone has an 'idea'. Nobody needs ""idea"" guys. Try and see if you can even do anything with that was based upon other art because it doesn't mean jack shit.

>>6492510
then ai wouldnt conceptualize it either because there is no data for it to feed to?
holy fucking niggerbrain of aitards its insane, even basic logic is above them, no wonder they praise this shit so much.

>180 replies to a bait thread
Good thing we hired new jannies, uh?

>>6492553
It won't be huge just like normies said the internet wouldn't be huge 5 decades ago

>>6492554
>Lmao. Everyone has an 'idea'. Nobody needs ""idea"" guys.

yeah not right now, because it takes tons of effort and investment turning an idea into reality. But with AI there will be almost zero effort required, only ideas will remain.

>>6492560
Ikr all those people back in the 90's and early 00's that said the internet was a failure sure were right.

>>6492553
The great part about creative mediums like art is when people like you try to look for some magical shortcuts and fall flat on their faces. You remind me of the local lolcow that is Cris that's been trying to make a game for close to 10 years and right now he's hopping onto the AI train hype like the rest of you retards and even using AI for coding. All of it is incoherent though but sure. Keep looking for that magical button. I'm sure you'll find it.

>>6492560
Another terrible comparison. Internet being compared to drawing. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>6492559
My art related thread gets deleted with in 1 hour, but ai shit stay ups. Funny huh?

>>6492556
But it can, thats the whole point.

>>6492554
Idea guys tend to be more desired compared to someone who brings nothing new to the table

>>6492570
>dea guys tend to be more desired compared to someone who brings nothing new to the table

Hard pass. You haven't seen the tons of cringy "concept" ideas. Not only do I doubt you would have an interesting idea, but you wouldn't be able to bring it out into reality because you are depending on the "AI ReVoLuTiOn" to come.

>>6492567
>Another terrible comparison. Internet being compared to drawing. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Okay then you tell us what should we compare it to?

>>6492567
>Keep looking for that magical button.
the magical button is already here really. Just the fact that people can create digital painting is already pressing a magical button in a sense.

>>6492569
it fundamentally cant.

>>6492574
Many of the most successful IPs today were rejected over and over because they were thought to be crap. There could be many people with great ideas and AI will help them bring their vision to reality.

>>6492575
Photobashing. Search engines. Tracing. All have existed and in no form have replaced traditional drawing at all.

>>6492580
So could picking up a pencil.

>>6492576
>Just the fact that people can create digital painting is already pressing a magical button in a sense.

That's not a magical button. A magical button is generating a masterpiece which then magically grants you popularity and money.

>>6492023
It won't matter as much, art will become niche. Happened with craftwork and now over 80% of the shit you see was made by a machine instead of a man using his knowledge and creativity to craft a cup with intricate designs and markings to make it unique. Art will die because of corporate greed and the blind pursue of technology advancement

>>6492580
>Many of the most successful IPs today were rejected over and over because they were thought to be crap

Oh please do NOT compare whatever shitty project or idea you have to said successful IPs. The fact that you are looking for some magical shortcut already separates you from them.

>>6492574
I know how to draw, but I'm not good at creating something interesting so I mostly do commissions. I would trade my skill for creativity any day of the week, with creativity I could just relearn portion of the skill back and make it interesting or use it for something interesting. The world is driven by great thinkers, the rest are the wheel, cogs, fuel to get the driver where they want

>>6492575
>Okay then you tell us what should we compare it to?
NFTs

>>6492583
not in this form

>>6492596
>I know how to draw, but I'm not good at creating something interesting so I mostly do commissions.

And I'm telling you, the fact that you are depending on some magical AI god to come and save you instead of trying to figure out why you AREN'T interesting AKA "SOUL" means you are doomed to fail and are apart of the crowd of "artists" that will actually be replaced with or without AI.

The fact you admitted that your problem is that your work isn't interesting means AI isn't gonna solve shit. You can't tell it something as vague as that and expect a solution which is what people in this thread is expecting it to do.

>>6492587
>then magically grants you popularity and money.
why do you draw slaves keep talking about popularity and money? I thought you were supposed to be artists? As far as I can tell the guys on /g/ care more about actual art than your types does. All you care about is clout.

>>6492609
are ai shitters just like proko, but without the skill?

>>6492584
Sure and maybe they do, but not everyone is as lucky as ONE.

>>6492603
Okay then make the comparison of AI art to NFTs? AI art isn't motivated by greed like NFT/Crypto.

>>6492589
Really this has been the problem with art for a while. AI might be the thing to spark a backlash to well crafted and traditional art. I admit it'll likely be niche like vinyl records, but vinyl still sells millions a year.

>>6492589
Funny enough only AI and technological advancement can make "his" vision come to pass.

AI will allow others from different fields of life to create what they want, art will finally be able to explore the fields artists couldn't because most of them don't get to experience what a surgeon lives through, or a criminal, or an astronaut. It's a win for society and a loss for artists, deal with it

>>6492614
Again, I don't know if you have been reading through the thread but it's about AI replacing artists which means popularity and money because that is what makes someone relevant or not.

And there are potential artists that's being discouraged because of retards like you spreading this nonsense about artists being replaced. So yes, I do care about art and artists in general.

>>6492616
Way worse. Because even the technical aspect that AI art prides itself in is full of errors and not flexible. It's also more soulless than corporate art.

>>6492619
>AI art isn't motivated by greed like NFT/Crypto.
Hahahhahahahaa >>6492303
>>6492185

>>6492619
>AI art isn't motivated by greed like NFT/Crypto.
lol, sweet summer child. SD is shooting for a billion dollar valuation. And listen to tech VC podcasts like All In, these guys are hyping this AI shit for everything from medicine to transportation.

>>6492627
Wow so artists aren't relevant unless they're popular and get lots of money, okay learned something new.

Thread isn't focusing on AI.
Let's focus on AI anyway.

>>6492629
>It's also more soulless than corporate art.
pure BS

>>6492633
>SD is shooting for a billion dollar valuation.
which they deserve really imo. the market will decide. crypto on the other hand is nothing but a scam.

>>6492635
>Wow so artists aren't relevant unless they're popular and get lots of money, okay learned something new.

Popular OR get lots of money. Fix your reading comprehension. Plenty of artists posts art for free and they get a humble following. Good lord. Do you even draw? This brings me back to my point of the people that's hyping this up don't actually have any skills or knowledge on drawing and simply hates artists.

Reminder that AIfags are posting their prompts less because they're afraid of someone "stealing" their ideas or someone mocking how their prompts are the opposite of the final image.

>>6492637
funny isn't it, something that's supposedly a nothing burger yet people can't stop talking about it.

>>6492648
>35 IPs with more than 200 posts on a slow board
You mean autistic shitposters can't stop trying to troll people who don't care?

>>6492622
kino

>>6492647
They are posting on YT for obvious reasons

>>6492643
>Fix your reading comprehension.
I literally just repeated what was posted here >>6492627 word for word, kek, maybe you should fix your own reading comprehension or what you type.

>>6492643
>Good lord. Do you even draw? This brings me back to my point of the people that's hyping this up don't actually have any skills or knowledge on drawing and simply hates artists.

yeah I draw pretty well actually.

>>6492647
so?

>>6492661
>yeah I draw pretty well actually.
Pyw then

>>6492651
>people having an interesting and on topic conversation
>oh no! it must be trolling! call the jannies!
fuck off retard

>>6492665
why?

>>6492648
Yeah people can't stop talking about a lot of things that suck.

>>6492669
Oh no, they changed the color pallete of a fictional character! This means I hate it now!

>>6492672
Kek,you don’t even know why,dumbass.
>>6492665
So you can back up those claims.

>>6492655

What you said here:

>Wow so artists aren't relevant unless they're popular and get lots of money, okay learned something new.

Implies "AI artists" are similar to said normal ones but humble following when in reality it's on the same level as calling yourself an artist when your art looks like this guy >>6476178

Calling yourself an "artist" just because you prompted art is very disingenuous. There is nothing wrong with what I said. I'm saying that AI "art" shouldn't even be in the same park.

skill matters, but not the raw drawing skill people are studying
>>6492647
>(DSR_1.5) masterpiece, girl, (bold lines_0.5), cat ears, cat tail, (brown skin:1.5), black hair, short hair, flat chest, (plaid skirt), (hoodie:1.1), (solo:1.6), (smug)
have fun

>>6492668
>>6492677

>>6492672
anon, people all over the political spectrum hate this fucking show. it has nothing to do with her "color pallete."
But they keep watching and talking about it, because apparently that's a thing now.
btw this is officially a VELMA thread now.

>>6492669
>nose
I guess tumblr artists are employed

>>6492684
The show isn't even that technically bad so I feel sorry for the animators. American cartoons just can't sucking lately. Anime/Manga has just taken over.

>>6492693
stop sucking*

>>6492680
>"smug"
>it's just a normal open smile

>"black hair"
>it's brown hair

>"plaid skirt"
>there's no skirt shown

>>6492680
You AIfags constantly put in (smug) in your anime girl prompts and it always ends up being either a normal smile or a vacant stare.

>>6492693
>>6492695
Anime makes less money and cost less, while cartoons makes more money and cost more.

>>6492695
accurate reflection of their respective nations

>>6492693
politics ruins everything, before that the problem was that Western comics are pretty much intended for kids and don't respect their audience at all. they're vapid

>>6492695
Rugrats were ugly as fuck. I blame Nickelodeon for much of the ugliness out there. Most of their cartoons were fucking ugly like Ah! Real Monsters.

>>6492703
>while cartoons makes more money

I don't know about, if you're talking about it being basically being subsidized because big companies have a monopoly on it then yeah sure, it makes more money. And I'm certain Velma is going to be a flop.

On it being more popular? Absolutely not. If that's what you mean by more money. Also yes I'm happy to turn the rest of this retarded thread into an East vs West art so I am calling upon all Americans to argue with me because I'm shitting on current cartoons.

>>6492642
>which they deserve really imo. the market will decide. crypto on the other hand is nothing but a scam.
It's all a fucking scam, smoke and mirror investing. Stream economy is crashing, most social media doesn't make any real money, and now AI that doesn't do anything practical (have you actually used it for a real job?).
It's like when major blogs like VICE were valuated at billions of dollars, and when journalists (the few real journalists) looked into their finances there was jack shit.

>>6492704
TWO CIVILIZATIONS.

GUESS THE DIFFERENCE.

>>6492713
Xenophobic and not

>>6492705
>before that the problem was that Western comics are pretty much intended for kids and don't respect their audience at all. they're vapid

Oh man, I love pointing this out and reminding that the Kimetsu no Yaiba movie-- a movie for a younger audience in Japan ( PG 12 ) with as young as 9 year olds watching it with their parents gets an 18+ rating. 18 PLUS rating. In America. It's silly.

>>6492709
Velma is already having talks of a second season. More people hate watch than you realize and even more people will watch literally whatever is put in front of them.

based Velma derails AI thread

>>6492707
It still has soul. It had it's own unique identity and was made by people who at least were passionate about it. I personally have fond memories of Ah! Real Monsters. Japan was the ONE copying America and now it's the other way around with even reports of Disney trying to get into anime and let's not forget about the Cyberpunk 2077 anime adaption. Though that one was completely made by a Japanese studio which had to remake the scripts 4 times until they just let Studio Trigger do it because I'm pretty sure the Project Red was gonna put in some retarded shit in it.

>>6492722
>Velma is already having talks of a second season
And you seriously think that's because people watched it and not because streaming services greenlight 20 episodes and then cut them down to 10-episode seasons?

>>6492710
>and now AI that doesn't do anything practical (have you actually used it for a real job?).

I would actually use AI if I had a video card that could run SD. I'd use it for monster design ideas and even character design ideas. It's cool to have something made up and don't have to worry that it's a character that exists elsewhere/copyright shit.

>>6492722
>hate watch
Not a real thing.
No one except youtube trannies watch it to makes vids about it, and most others just run it in the background.
also what this anon said>>6492728

>>6492722
Even if the conspiracy is true and that they are intentionally creating the most vapid disgusting shit for people to hate watch, it's not good for them in the long run financially if you look at how comics are almost gone from American stores. People tend to lean more extremely on either side so future cartoons will just immediately be ignored.

>>6492707
Ren & Stimpy was based though. Best American cartoon of the last 40 years.

>>6492709
Nice cope, look up any animated film and compare it to any anime films.

>>6492731
>long run
Oh yeah, the thing CEOs barely think about

>>6492669
>>6492684
>>6492723
you all say this show is bad yet you're advertising it. I've never seen it before and now I want to see it because of you all. So maybe is just so bad that it's good.

>>6492728
Yeah I doubt hate-watching actually is even positive. Rick and Morty got green lit for SIX seasons after all. They plan these things in advance.

>>6492731
>comics this comics that
That’s the only thing you retarded weebs have. Any anime game under preform in sales to the point, it’s seen as cash grabs.

>>6492734
If you are talking about animated films like Frozen then that's not a fair comparison considering the huge amount of marketing these things get and with a Juggernaught of an IP like Disney compared to a similar company like Ghibli which is well known universally in Japan but is only 'fairly' well known overseas and there's still plenty of people who don't know about it while you could probably ask a random African child and they will most likely have seen Disney characters.

>>6492731
>bringing up TLOU2
That character's design made complete sense given the story. Only coomers want to see a DOA style character with torpedo tits in the post-apocalyptic kino.

>>6492731
No conspiracy; they create that shit intentionally because they have no brain and are trying to appeal to the same brainwashed high-on-politics soimilk drinking, turmblr feminists as them and when it fails and doesn't sell, they've made up and memed so many boogeymen that they can avoid changing their approach.

If i remember, there was an image circulating about companies getting paid by a fond to make woke shit or something.

>>6492713
I dont need to.

>>6492747
Disney/Pixar stuff has the better mass appeal, simple. Japanese stuff often gets weird and autistic, even their most widely appealing stuff. That's why their fans are smelly weebs and Disney is liked by normies the world over.

>>6492740
>now I want to see it because of you all.
You should watch it anon. And make sure to post about it in all the AI threads you come across.

>>6492746
>Any anime game under preform in sales to the point, it’s seen as cash grabs.

Yeah because it's basically advertisements for the anime themselves which *themselves* are still isolated in Japan. It's shovelware.

HOWEVER, the topic is anime aka cartoons. And it's quickly spreading everywhere. Well, the more niche ones at least. Stuff like DragonballZ, One Piece, Naruto are already everywhere similar to Disney but those are not the shows I'm talking about.

>>6492752
Who did he assault? Was it a woman? And was it him asking her to go out for a night?

>>6492750
>post apocalyptic
>buff dude with tits
>"thats realistic"
>ignores the rest of the game and that scene in particular
Sure, realistic.
Must have sucked a lot of dick to get all those proteins to bulk up as a woman in a post-apocalyptic world.
Are steroids canon in the story?

>>6492722
Anon, look at the methods streaming channels like HBOmax and Netflix do with shows like this. They usually have a pre-emptively invested series already planned out so that they can esoterically portray success to the general public. When the usual two seasons are done, the show fades into obscurity because barely anyone actually watched it.

>>6492761
>IT'S MA'AM

>>6492762
It's almost like americans don't know to do anything but sitcoms

>>6492755
>Disney/Pixar stuff has the better mass appeal, simple. Japanese stuff often gets weird and autistic, even their most widely appealing stuff. That's why their fans are smelly weebs and Disney is liked by normies the world over.

Weird is good. Weird is great for artists. And it's a good thing is still more or less a niche isolated in Japan. Disney may still be a force to be reckoned with but you know what people are definitely getting tired of and I'm confident will go down? Superhero fatigue with Marvel and DC. Sure it's probably not gonna beat sales number anytime soon but more and more people are certainly being drawn to Anime culturally wise with stuff like One Punch Man and My Hero Academia who Americans have praised to actually doing the superhero genre justice and it's not even made by Americans.

>>6492761
why do you people push the tranny narrative with that character? Her character was completely likeable, straight and literally gets fucked by a man, it's all hetero. People like you have just become so infected by the current political climate that you react and try to see "tranny" in everything even when it's not there. You attack that character while ignoring the actually tranny Asian kid. It's weird. Then the main character is a lesbo and has been since the first game but you don't talk about that.

>>6492767
>Her character was completely likeable
Don't show your bait card right in the first line of your post

>>6492767
Not that anon, but the she-gorilla is just ONE of many things wrong with the series, don't forget that. She's just the easiest to target. The story was some failed attempt at trying to make a revenge story while completely shitting on previous characters like Joel while introducing new characters-- none of which was remotely likeable.

>>6492767
>why are trannies bad?
Because they just are.
You are a tranny as well.
Lurk moar before i start posting my work.

>>6492766
>Weird is good. Weird is great for artists.
For artist, yes, but to the average joe, no. No normal/sane person would watch anime about isekai/harem/incest shit over capeshit marvel or dc. There are outliners like the anime you mentioned above, but most anime are just garbage and worse than capeshit.

>>6492760
Apparently they were dating but we wont know the details until it's over. The victim was granted a restraining order against him which will last until october 2023

>>6492766
indeed anime is a force to be reckoned with and weird is cool. But not for everyone, some people really don't like weird stuff, it can turn them off. There's still a cultural difference there, maybe that will go away in the coming generations. Superhero fatigue is definitely real, the issue is western comics are too commercial. Superman, Batman, Spiderman etc... they've been making these shits since women were frowned upon for wearing pants. They never end them, they never stop them. It's tired. Japanese on the other hand make new stories all the time, with the Japanese it's more of a genre thing, you'll have 100 completed boy and robot stories but they're all slightly different.

>>6492779
>no evidence
Fucking hearsays and another one is claimed by jealously

>>6492751
I guess more money doesn't necessarily equal higher talent. Though they will still mog Japan in the 3d department due to the sheer amount of resources they have which Japan doesn't but that's fine. Each country should have its own strength.

But that's another thing I wanna talk about. People point out the shitty environment the Anime/Manga has and as unfortunate as it is, the competitive environment is what allows it to shave off undesirable works if it doesn't sell. And, ironically, is why it's more diverse than American's industry. Like, LGBT shit has been in Japan for so decades now yet we don't have the same problem as America does. Heck, one of the most popular classics is about a guy turning into a girl whenever doused by water and it hasn't really made anyone want to cut off their dick yet and put on a skirt. You also have current airing shows with traps, yuri, genderbending etc yet... no political problems.

>>6492777
>most anime are just garbage and worse than capeshit.
trips of truth

somehow you guys successfully managed to derail the AI conversation.

>thread got saved

>>6492680
>put in "black haired girl in a skirt"
>get brown haired girl with no skirt
I'm going to reiterate something I saw someone else say. AIfags like to claim claim image generators are tools but they themselves are the tools of the image generators because they accept anything that the programs shit out even if its something they didn't want.

>>6492786
>we have so much lgbt shit yet none of the problems
English teacher-kun, you already know the answer to this, right?
Nips have already normalized that kind of sexual deviancy and there is no authority of government or religion ever having prohibited the pursuit of such things.
>>6492790
>AI conversation
i lol and lmao

you're welcome

>>6492777
It's true. We are comparing Demon Slayer to West shit but there is so much low quality garbage that gets peddled out each season of anime. And tons of it looks fugly as well. Like Ganbare! Choushuu-kun is just Toonboom animated garbage.

>>6492751
>If i remember, there was an image circulating about companies getting paid by a fond to make woke shit or something.
Are you referring the the Bauhaus image or the Blackrock image?

>>6492777
>For artist, yes, but to the average joe, no. No normal/sane person would watch anime about isekai/harem/incest shit over capeshit marvel or dc.

Except I've pointed out that superhero fatigue is setting in. The only reason it hasn't been beaten yet in terms of sales is because

1. Marketing and budget issues
2. Cultural difference
3. Accessibility with people not wanting to read subs.
4. It shouldn't become become as mainstream as Marvel and DC anyway because that would ruin what made it unique

>There are outliners like the anime you mentioned above, but most anime are just garbage and worse than capeshit.

Most of ALL media is shit. That's just a universal rule and isn't limited to anime. Anyway, I'm confident more people would rather read cute dragon maid girl hijinks that whatever "Velma" shit this is lmaaaaao

>>6492796
Wasn't bauhaus, probably the other.

>>6492795

Ah but what you guys are forgetting is more shit shows means a good amount of shows overall. There's probably more anime that releases in a year than a decade of cartoons. That means generally, you will end up with more shows overall. So, it's a necessary evil.

>>6492791
based nearly century old felix meme

>>6492794
>Nips have already normalized that kind of sexual deviancy and there is no authority of government or religion ever having prohibited the pursuit of such things.

Oh please, don't talk about "sexual" degeneracy this or that when I can pull out a kid in a tranny strip show.

It's NOT normal. You may see people memeing about UUUOOHH CUNNY or whatever but it's just that, a meme. The point is that it's NOT normal and that's A-okay to find it creepy or disgusting. The difference is Japan simply doesn't make an autistic fuss about it which is what people love about. It's certainly not normal and you're gonna get some uncomfortable stares if you begin conversations like that.

>>6492801
I think it also gets more releases because the West is only starting to figure out that adults also like animated things for more than just comedy. It's only been fairly recently that we have had full adult oriented animated television shows that aren't comedy.

>>6492023
Reminder that one of the oldest and most well-known paintings made by people is a symbol-drawing ngmi pile of nothing, just random sketching of cows and horses as little stick figured leggings. /beg/ would laugh them out the fucking site.

Skill never 'mattered' for popularity, and value is subjective. As much as it would bristle this site, getting good at art isn't something you have to do to be popular. But getting skills help make it more likely you will be noticed, make you more popular. I think if you're having an existential crisis over what in the end is just going to be the next photoshop, (a tool people use to execute their skills faster and in unique ways) then you're actually avoiding the real question you want to ask; 'Why AM I doing art?'

That's an important question to ask, Why ARE you doing art? Do you like to do it? Do you feel there's some external reward that can be met by reaching some tier of skill? That's not rhetorical, I gotta go sort some medical shit out so I won't be back for a few hours, but I would like to know; WHY do you want to make art? What are you doing this for?

>>6492801
Western animation went downhill when Disney went 3d. Even early black and white animation captures better the action and movement of a character and that was a time when they still were trying and failing to see what works and what doesn't. Now it's all 2d cheap puppeteering with some rare exception here and there

>>6492817
Oops, forgot the NGMI example.

>>6492786
The issue is that in the West it's now being forced through political correctness. Where you have to accept the tranny delusion or they get aggressive. That's why people are up in arms. There were always stories/characters about trannies in the West too. They were just usually for comedy purposes or horror cause it's weird as fuck.

>>6492800
>>6492751
It's probably Blackrock and ESG what you're thinking of. People in higher up business positions or classes get investments from pushing certain agendas or visual styles. It's basically an extension of the "hollywood money circulation" method that's been going on for decades where the people at the top are able to make a profit no matter if a product is a success or failure.

>>6492812
>decline birthrates
>the selling of actual cp was banned not too long ago
>mangakas get slap of the wrist when caught with cp
Yeah..

>300 posts
>40 posters
This is a ChatGPT generated thread. Hopefully mods delete the next one.

>>6492818
Disney WAS a force to be reckoned with. It's hard to argue that Disney is declining culturally because it's still everywhere and money: is absolute. Disney movies still make several times more than the biggest movies Japan can put out, but again, I believe it's just a simple marketing and cultural difference issue.

Not all hope is lost though. Puss in Boots 2 was absolutely amazing and I hope they make more. Though this is Dreamworks not Disney.

Being a sprite artist and being able to animate it pays better than being a TV animator in the west. Now guess where most of the good animators are

>>6492831
My bad I was talking about 2d animation in the west declining

>>6492833
>Being a sprite artist and being able to animate it pays better than being a TV animator in the west.
What?

>>6492828
Oh you wanna go there? I've had this argument countless times on /pol/ with the exact same bait threads being posted against Japan. Japan has 7-8x less crime rate on average than other countries in the G8 and couldn't even be compared to places like Brazil, China, Russia, America etc.

And every time, their only proof to deny the crime rate is... women only trains. Or some dumb buzz-feed article against Japan like that one video where they called out the "Pedophilic Manga Industry" on Vice news and BLOCKED Japanese viewers from viewing the video lmaaaao.

>>6492837
>2d

I genuinely can't remember the last time I saw a big 2d film from America. Was there even anything made? It's all 3d.

>>6492841
pixel*

>>6492814
I haven't gotten around to watching Arcane but I have only heard good things about it.

>>6492812
>please don't say that 2+2 = 4
Nips are more degenerate and accepting of sexual stuff because it has been normalized.
>bb-b-b-b-but you can say is creepy
Words mean nothing.
>uooooh is just a meme
A meme based on what? Come on, say it.
>it's not normal
Once people become indifferent to it, it has become normal.
>japan isnt autistic
lmao

What about train molestation and sekuhara in general still not getting under control? Crossdressing being normal? Getting retired idols to sign porn contracts the moment they turn 18? What about the insane amount of spouse cheating that goes on?

White piggu go home

>>6492844
>I've had this argument countless times on /pol/
Fucking knew it, you don’t draw you retarded shitter.

>>6492847
Aside from that Christmas bait movie, no. There is no competitor to push 2d to a higher quality and americans don't want to invest and compete directly against anime because it's a losing fight from the get go and people don't like losing money

>>6492852
I draw. I only browse /pol/ as a pseudo news source. I don't really go there often. I've only started to go lately because I've been seeing the same knee-jerk reaction from people getting into Anime/Manga who get culturally shocked. And as a person living in Japan, who plans to go into University and help politicians like Ken Akamatsu spread Japanese culture around the world, I have a vested interest of calling out people like these who wants to spread hit-pieces against my country. Naturally I will defend myself.

>>6492851
*cough* madthad0890*cough*

>>6492697
>>6492699
>>6492792
I am more than satisfied with the result

>>6492844
>Japan has 7-8x less crime rate on average than other countries
Let's not forget the 99% conviction rate where suspects get forced to admit to crimes even when they're innocent.

Sasuga nihon keisatsu desu

>>6492865
ToT I need an AI cyborg daughter so badly bros

>>6492868
So the crime rate is even lower?

>>6492874
If you don't report crimes and get paid or intimidated by yakuza to ignore it, even lower.

Imagine thinking skill matters when the art world is full of Rothkos and Jeff Koons and the animation world is dominated by noodle arms.
By the way the more normies discover picture shitter apps the harder it will be for AI parasites to get any attention for their work. No one will care about your custom models and nfts when anyone can shit out a midjourney masterpiece with a few keywords.

>>6492851
>What about train molestation and sekuhara in general still not getting under control?

Let me explain the thing about trains. It's MORE common than cars because Japan has one of the most sophisticated train systems in the world. Everybody uses it. So, you could imagine, packed like sardines in a train compartment and with people hurrying to work, there's going to be a large amount of train molestation do you understand? The woman-only train is for convenience both for women AND men who doesn't want to be falsely accused. It's like saying "Oh you made street lights? You must have a massive problem with people being ran over then." It's a dumb argument and usually coming from people who don't even ride trains.

>Crossdressing being normal?

What? It is? It's always treated as a fetish or a joke. That's not normal.

>Getting retired idols to sign porn contracts the moment they turn 18?

Oof I can tell you have your entire knowledge based on articles.

>What about the insane amount of spouse cheating that goes on?

Excuse me, but I've heard western women likes to get trains ran on them. What? Where did I hear this? Oh it's in this one article I read and Youtube video you see... <--- this is what you sound like.

Brother, Japan has it's problems don't get me wrong like any other country but people around the world praise Japan's safety and cleanliness and values all around the world with countless videos, articles, comments, blogs, statistics, opinions from people living in there and foreigners that come to visit. So unless you have some overwhelming evidence to prove all of that wrong and also convincing me who has countless good experiences then you're just being blind sided by silly hit-piece articles.

>>6492868
>Let's not forget the 99% conviction rate where suspects get forced to admit to crimes even when they're innocent.

And of course that doesn't happen in other countries especially in the America? Pointing that out doesn't really mean anything. I should remind you that Japanese citizens are a lot more trusting of authorities because corruption is low. Ironically lower in some graphs than America's. And you know, trusting authorities is usually because the government doesn't fuck us over like America does because if you haven't realized, I believe only 20-30% of American people trust the government, which is insane.

>>6492851

>Nips are more degenerate and accepting of sexual stuff because it has been normalized.

It's not normalized, no. I disagree with your statement and you don't have any proof. People simply don't bother because they are not doing any harm. ( Lowest crime rate in world remember~? Still need some good proof for that one. )

>Once people become indifferent to it, it has become normal.

Oh my bad. I assume you want people to on twitter and cancel creators over it? And you are exactly the reason why people are getting sick of being thought-policed and why people are increasingly moving to the more free Anime/Manga industry.

>>6492879
>WOW LIKE OOF YOU SOUND LIKE ARTICLES YIKES LIKE NORMIES AND TOURISTS ONLY PRAISE JAPAN LIKE OOF SWEATY WOW LIKE THE WEST IS LIKE WORSE LMAO OOF STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME LOL
>posts articles to make his point
I can't tell if you're trolling or just fucking retarded since nothing you posted has absolutely to do with the discussion at hand.
>sex trafficking isn't a thing
Ok, what?
>b-b-b-but western women
Ok, your point, retardo-kun?

Tell the whole thread once again that you live in japan, maybe you'll have an argument on why japan isn't a degenerate shithole because sexual behavior has been normalized.
>prove me wrong
Prove yourself right first instead of being an effeminate faggot.
Well, you wanted to be japanese, at least you got the low testosterone.
>>6492885
>Japan is not corrupt
>bb-b-b-b-but America
Like a retarded child who just can't accept any criticism

Be quiet, weeb.

>>6492890
>people are indifferent
That means it's normalized. How low is your IQ?
>waaaah thought police twitter cancellation!!! ITS YOUR FAULT!!!
I'm gonna delete your existence if you don't start behaving like a reasonable person.

>>6492892
>Tell the whole thread once again that you live in japan, maybe you'll have an argument on why japan isn't a degenerate shithole because sexual behavior has been normalized.

You seem to be extremely biased against Japan but I'll still humour you. If it was some "shithole" people wouldn't like going there. There wouldn't be countless videos of people posting about how clean the streets are, how the crime is so low etc. Also, the current Anime/Manga industry wouldn't even be possible if again, like you say, with no exaggeration, that the country is a "shithole". Ever wonder why China has nowhere near the soft-power influence Japan has despite being several times bigger in every aspect? Exactly.

Also, I am not white. I am half-Japanese half-Filipino. I have a vested interest in investing in the prosperity of this country in the future which also means spreading Japanese culture around the globe. I will continue to the defend my beautiful country, naturally from people making baseless claims such as yours.

>Like a retarded child who just can't accept any criticism

You have only regurgitated the same statements countless people have made. Please provide some overwhelming evidence that the crime rate is not as low as you say which is already strange because the streets wouldn't be as clean if it were true and more... flamey and charred, like some of the riots you see in America. >>6492713
Two types of civilization, anon.

>>6492898
>That means it's normalized. How low is your IQ?

Again, do you want people to form a mob or something? Or virtue signal on twitter without actually doing anything for real victims? ( pic related ) I don't know what you are expecting.

>>6492898
Also, when people say "It's just a drawing, bro." it's people mocking you who cannot differentiate between fiction and reality and are making a fuss about pixelated drawings.

>>6492902
>You seem to be extremely biased against Japan
Ah, yes, already getting painted as the boogeyman because you got nothing.
>if it wasn't a shithole---
Ah, yes, why would tourists and internet tour guides ever talk bad about any country the visit for a limited amount of time and those who make money off tourism? Truly showing your double digit IQ there.
>animay and manugi wouldnt be possible
Ok?
>you said the country is a shithole
Can you point out where or is it just the voice in your head?
>ever wonder why china
Single digit IQ now.
>i am not white
Stopped reading there.

What a waste of time.

>>6492906
If people are indifferent that means it is normalized.
How fucking illiterate and retarded are you?

>>6492912

>Can you point out where or is it just the voice in your head?

Pic related.

Anyway, I do not mind refuting and mocking people like you and it's certainly not wasted time for me as there are many lurkers who view posts such as mine and remain sane enough to see the difference between reality and fiction.

>>6492918
>If people are indifferent that means it is normalized.

Oh I see you are confusing "indifference" with "not being an annoying twat." People find it weird but they aren't going out of their way to harass the creators making these. Is this the "indifference" you are talking about?

Remind me to post Velma in the next shitposting thread too.

>>6492924
Slap a few Americans in the thread and pull out Japanese crime statistics and the thread is guaranteed to be derailed since Japan is probably the most stereotyped country in the world.

Here, have some of the meltdown from when Ken Akamatsu got elected.

>>6492919
>degenerate shithole
keyword being degenerate as in "sexual deviancy"

What you are raving about is the total state of the country, you fucking mongrel.
You are derailing your own discussion.
>bb-b--bbut i am mocking people like you
No, you're making a mockery out of yourself because you're projecting very fucking hard, retard.
>>6492923
Anon, all i said is an objective truth
>"if people are indifferent to a behavior, that behavior is normalized"
and all you're doing is damage control and making it about lolis and twitter cunts.

On a scale of 1 to discord tranny, how fucking mentally ill are you?

Who cares about banning pixels, you can just use a vpn and some cryptocurrency to make money out of your loli shit

>>6492934
The "sexual deviancy" you keep pointing out is baseless and really not any more degenerate than whatever country you are from or even less. You are implying Japan is special or some sort in this category, when it isn't.

>Anon, all i said is an objective truth

What truth? Can you state specifically what part? Well you did... which doesn't mean anything because statistics overall is still 7-8x lower than whatever country you are from. Which is pretty good.

>>6492898

>I'm gonna delete your existence if you don't start behaving like a reasonable person.

Oof. Not helping your crime statistics there bud. Adults have reasonable debates about this. Children get into fights.

>>6492945
And you are trying to make Japan special by trying to compare it to western countries.
>HURR DURR WHAT TRUTH LOL LMAO LIKE HAVE U SEEN STATISTICS!!??! GOTTEM CHECKMATE WOW
You know what? post your work.

>>6492844
well who better to let you know anime is for pedos than pedos?

Why the west want to force the east to be like the west? It started with missionaries and ever since every culture is less and less different from one another. Fuck the people who think their culture is superior therefore every needs to follow suit

>>6492964
The moment the west will allow children to act sexually, you will see the east wanting to be like the west.

>>6492964
We have to get together retard, either we come together or destroy ourselves. You wouldn't want to live in a world where every country is ultranationalist and competes. It would only lead to war and ruin.

>>6492954
Yes well, when you have people out of nowhere calling the country you live in a shithole when it's not true then it's natural to refute said statement.

>And you are trying to make Japan special by trying to compare it to western countries.

It's special in that it has way, way lower crime than what you expect from 120 million people. And I will merely point out the statistics ( which you haven't proven wrong by the way I'm still waiting on that ) and refute any claims of under reporting every time someone wants to shit on country that I live in.

Now if I was living in Brazil and still defending the country which is the crime capital of the world? Then you would be absolutely right and I would agree with you. But I don't.

Also I have already posted work here.
>>6492858 I don't know what that has to do with the discussion but were never really interested in one correct?

>>6492968
>The moment the west will allow children to act sexually

Should we tell him about the drag shows?

>>6492969
>Ultranationalist

I think nationalism ironically happens exactly because countries are being forced to globalize into one unknown shapeless blob. It's the reason why people praise Japan to the point of cliche because it means that homogenous societies work and prosper and that diversity DOESN'T need to happen.

Countries trading with each other but clearly being separated is the ideal situation. It's why it annoys me greatly with the same hit piece articles like this.

>>6492981
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63830490
Forgot link.

>>6492963
Sexual/Violent depictions do not lead to higher crime. I'm sorry you had to find out on a basket weaving forum.

>>6492970
I was hoping you were trolling but you are indeed a low iq autist and a stereotypical weeb as well.
>just prove statistics wrong
Another objective truth; never trust a statistic you haven't faked yourself.

Even then, how actually low iq are you?
What is the statistic based on?
Does the statistic cover EVERY SINGLE VARIABLE?
Who conducted the research?
Whom was it funded by and why?
>waaaah stop making fun of MY country which is JAPAN aren't u impressed
Fuck Japan but most importantly, fuck you, faggot.

You lurked pol one week and you think you know what the fuck you're on about.
All you're doing is behaving and arguing exactly like a shill.

>>6492983
>Fuck Japan but most importantly, fuck you, faggot.

It's my country. I'll continue defending it. This isn't a very hard concept to grasp especially when you don't have any proof that the statistics are fake in any way whatsoever.

>>6492986
>MY COUNTRY WAAAH
How many times are you gonna repeat that line? No one gives a fuck and nips are always going to treat you like an outsider because you're an half-breed.
>you don't have any proof that the statistics are fake in any way whatsoever.
Can you prove your statistics are true and objective without appealing to authority?

I can prove every japanese is a low iq faggot by making a statistic.

USA culture sucks that's why they need to force feed everyone with their shit

>>6492990
>How many times are you gonna repeat that line? No one gives a fuck and nips are always going to treat you like an outsider because you're an half-breed.

Oh I wish. I have to tell people I'm a halfie because they don't realize otherwise.

>Can you prove your statistics are true and objective without appealing to authority?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/crime-rate-statistics

Just take any random statistics off the internet. Also I don't know if it's your post but you said that tourist WOULDN'T talk shit about the country they are visiting in which is simply not true. You don't get the stereotype of being a safe and clean country when the opposite is true. It just doesn't work like that.

Also here is a Japanese video. That might explain it to you better. Do you speak Japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Kdx8Jf5t4

>>6492981
>it means that homogenous societies work and prosper and that diversity DOESN'T need to happen.

but it's not working though, Japan has an aging population and demographic catastrophe in the works.

>>6492990
>I can prove every japanese is a low iq faggot by making a statistic.

Also the fact you are constantly attacking me personally means you aren't really interested in an argument. Note my statements have been completely reasonable so far.

>>6493001
Once enough old people die here, the tax burden will gradually lighten. The difference is we didn't destroy our eco-system like China or burden the country with immigrants in a desperate attempt to keep the profits of big corporation ( which has nothing to do with the quality of life for the average Japanese ) afloat.

>>6493001
I thought I posted this.

>>6492997
>Oh I wish. I have to tell people I'm a halfie because they don't realize otherwise.
Who asked, retard?
>posts more cherry picked information
>posts more statistics
>>6493002
>my statements have been complete reasonable
>"muh statistics"
>"WOW LIKE STOP ATTACKING ME U MUST NOT BE INTERESTED IN THE ARGUMENT! LOL LMAO CHECKMATE!"
>"i do not mind mocking people like you"
>"you are biased against japan"
>"your knowledge is based on articles"
>"wow you sound like someone i don't like"
And i can make a statistic why every japanese is also a dishonest faggot.

>>6493001
The world has a demographic catastrophe in the works but that's a problem for the future generation

>>6493001
Refer to this pyramid. >>6493002

Anyway, I keep saying statistics but that's only ONE of many things. Like I pointed out here>>6492997 You don't get the stereotype of being a safe and clean country if the opposite is true. With countless videos, comments, pictures, blogs etc to back up my claim. Even watching a random video walking around Tokyo and you can easily see the difference between other major cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nTO4zSEpOs

>>6493012
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/japan

>>6493012
but wait, i have more:
>discussion is about sexual behavior
>Real NIHONJIN who has to tell other REAL JAPANESE that he is mixed derails the conversation into Japan as a whole and constantly tries to bait and east vs west discussion and does nothing but damage control
>don't forget that he does indeed live in JAPAN
>so sugoi kawaii saiko amirite?
>constantly projects boogeyman unto anyone that doesn't agree with him because he LIVES IN JAPAN AND IS JAPANESE BUT HAS TO TELL PEOPLE OR THEY WONT KNOW and HAS TO DEFEND HONORABU NIHON NUMBA UAN BECAUSE HE IS REAL JAPANESE THAT LIVES IN JAPAN don't forget
Only problem is he doesn't know how statistics work.