/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6482353
imo this kind applies to webgen animators as well.
the only style i really dislike is knockoff pixarshit though. it's the worst qualities of both eastern and western art

You just hate art with soul.

You probably like Shinichi Sakamoto / Asano Inio kind of art style, you know, the kind without soul.

>>6482361
>You just hate art with soul.
Oh no, I actually really dig art with soul when it's done right, see pic related. Modern shonenshit is just, well, derivative tropey garbage.

Chickenscratch art makes beglets feel better about their own garbage, which is why they like it. Same reason they love the generic shovel faced anime thot drawings.

>>6482361
those are two very different styles.
innocent has tons of soul, it just isn’t moeblob or shounenshit

>>6482361
CSM is soulless. Art that has soul is art that actually has effort put into it up to part with the artist's true skill level, not a half-ass job.

>>6482361
>asano inio
>soulless

>>6482409
Why she kiss bord?

>>6482353
if that's all you get from looking at art is "muh unclean lines" just give up early and stick with all the "muh opinions" retards on /a.
Ideally you'd just drink bleach, and free this world from your worthless existence.
cheers

>>6482353
I kinda agree with CSM, but jujutsu art is full of sovl and even if you don't like it you gotta admit that it's better than the generic "safe" shonenshit weeb pandering style

>>6482371
what's the fun in that visually if all the surfaces are uniformly hatched and the linework is so tight and consistent? it honestly looks boring, i much rather prefer the soulful CSM style

>>6482417
Enjoy your shittaste

>>6482430
we really need to retvrn to this era of style

>>6482415
>jujutsu art is full of sovl
I just wish the human character designs didn't look that plain. I know many people might not like overdesigned outfits and the like, but sometimes even characters wearing the same uniform can look cool if it's visually appealing or interesting. JJK character designs? Kind of boring, It doesn’t really “pop” enough in my opinion to make them stand out at first impression.

>>6482437
I'll have to agree with you on this one, but i still prefer a not so technically good art that is original and aesthetically pleasing, than a generic mass produced shit

>>6482417
Too flat looking and sterile lines. Fujimoto doesn't even bother to clean up the 3D models he uses in CSP, he doesn't give enough of a shit meanwhile atleast JJK has soul and more effort and form that isn't as flat. JJK imo does sketchiness great and has soul meanwhile CSM is flat and it feels so much lazier,

>>6482437
I agree here. Might be retarded but I consume anime/manga mostly based on whether they have art and designs that I enjoy. JJK has never grabbed my attention, none of the characters are that appealing and the artstyle just looks super generic to me. Weirdly I do like CSM though, the characters are cuter ai guess.

>>6482447
wait he uses 3d models? where did you hear that?

>>6482454
not him and I don’t read csm, but it’s extremely common in manga and manhwa, koreans sometimes don’t even bother drawing over the environment or even applying a filter, they’ll just leave the aliased as shit 360p rendering for the background because they ran out of time or whatever

>>6482353
>I personally can't stand the "chicken scratchy on purpose lol" art styles that some modern manga like JJK or CSM have adopted
Eh I actually like it more. I've always longed to see more mangaka draw more free-flowing art like that, so it's actually nice to see it in a lot of modern manga.

>>6482396
Im sorry but i just cant see how Innocent artstyle has any soul.

https://youtu.be/TDpn9fdsRbY

Full of tracing , hair brushes, ... sure its impressive the complexity of the art... but i just dont see any soul on this artstyle.

Same as Asano's backgrounds, full of edited photograhies. I dont see the soul in a realistic artstyle.

>>6482353
But what you posted isn't chicken scratch, it's clean line work with some intenionally messy hatching for implying details.

>>6482454
There has been threads on this but I don't save any of the pictures because I don't need them anyway. First one comes to mind are the models for the chairs in one of the panels. Personally I don't care if people used 3D models but if you're going to use them at least put some effort in then like Hiroya Oku or Akira Hiramoto both who use 3d modes a lot but at least they make them presentable and aren't as lazy. Fujimoto's art just looks so lazy, compare his DB 40th anniversary art to everyone else's.

>>6482353
>JJK or CSM
those are completely different styles. I love JJK art but not so much CSM but I can see the appeal. I prefer loose art as opposed to clean, which often looks sterile and boring to me.

>>6482353
Also what >>6482534 is true, this kind of style is drawn purposefully to look that way, which obviously takes a competent draftsman. Picrel is an example of actual chicken scratch, from Hajime Isayama when he was first starting out drawing.

>>6482353
i really can't stand this fake-anime western artstyle. i keep seeing it on every new "serious" adult animation show now and i'm tired of it.

>>6482567
This looks more semi-realism than wannabee anime. Fake-anime would be something like ATLA.

>>6482353
JJK and CM's art looks achieveble to people who wants to draw.
I love Boichi's art but I know that I will never be on his level even if I try hard my whole life

>>6482353
Fujimoto isn't chicken scratch you gorilla nigger retard
>>6482610
>wow an inanimate face so implessive!!!1!11

>>6482567
there is literally nothing anime about that
I’d even go as far as to say it intentionally does the opposite of what anime would do in many places

>>6482610
save that pic and look at it again in a year lmao

>>6482610
>>6482661
actually here, save this

>>6482430
based Gabe

>>6482665
>>6482650
Sun ken rock ended years ago and it's still amazing.
What exactly is your idea of good drawing?
Better yet, post something of yours to have an idea of the abyss between us plebs and him.

>>6482693
I only ever see this panel posted. I like Tsukushi's art.

anime in general

no art posted yet

>>6482353
Because ur a boomer and ur tastes is on its way out.

>>6482610
>>6482693
How the FUCK did Boichi draw 2 series at once, especially with art as complicated as that? I thought mangakas all had 3 hours of sleep and were working 30 hours a day?

>>6482567
>>6482596
>>6482660
Western animation used to barely use shading. Ever since shit like Megas and Boondocks they realized "oh fuck we can add shading like the jappos???" and now you have this thing where the jaunty, constrained "action show" western syle of making things actually move is blended with that style of cel shading and it looks really fucking bad.
Like there's no flow to it, you see it with all the netflix crap because it's a lazy way for them to add depth to otherwise stiff poses and actions.

A TRUE "western-anime" would be like the OG CN Teen Titans or The Boondocks. Avatar is a few layers removed from those but I'll count it as it's closer, I guess.

Funnily enough though, a lot of anime from the past decade moved to using LESS shading, either going with more of a flat style or just keeping it subtle. I'm not sure if some of that is to mesh with the use of 3D models cleaner or just a stylistic choice, but it still looks good and really emphasizes how the actual movements and flow are better than things like that anon posted.

>>6482762
The MOST timesaving thing for a comic is skillful layout and planning to shove all the budget into a few choice panels people remember, while minimizing the work you need to do in the less-important ones.
Same way Berserk was drawn when it was regular. Most panels are designed to be made FAST and errors are accepted if they're within tolerance, it's the big shots that have all the effort put in.

Also having assistants, using premade assets, tracing, etc all help.

>>6482693
I’m not going to debate this with you, just save the image and look at it again in a year, it’s not hard

>>6482770
Heres a fun fact: The creator for og teen titan and ben 10, Glen Murakami, failed the test trying to get the job for studio but was hired anyways because he was talented at drawing. Asian jeans lol.

>>6482770
what the fuck are you talking about, pic related he-man years before megas xlr or boondocks

>>6482770
>>6482793
forgot pic

>>6482793
>>6482796
I'll give it credit for being earlier, but it was generally regarded as shit and had barely any impact from my memory. You have to be successful in order to have influence.
Megas REALLY made some people seethe in the industry, and Boondocks was a major hit. There's way more influence from those two - boondocks moreso, but (unfortunately) the jauntry animation style for action is what Megas's legacy is, not the content and design language and such.

>>6482762
he has apretty big team of assistants iirc and uses pretty much every timesaving trick in the book eg most of those cuhrayzee sun ken rock pics you see are rotoscoped. that doesn’t downplay his skill at all though, he grinds like a motherfucker even compared to other mangaka

>>6482806
ok, let’s make it years before he-man, then

>>6482806
>>6482810
we are now in the year 1992, 12 years before megas and 13 before boondocks

>>6482353
I wouldn't say I don't like, but all the CSR/Sakimichan clones.
It's not that they look bad, I'll even admit they look way better compared to my stuff.
However, the problem is there are too many people that utilize those styles.
None of them stand out and feel samey to me. Again, they look nice, but there's no uniqueness about them.
Plus, the whole "hyper-realistically detailed anime girl, but with massive tits/ass" thing is getting old.
They all look like generic barbie dolls, but in 2D.
Overall, I don't hate these styles, I'm just tired of seeing everyone go for the exact same ones.

90s were full of “shaded” cartoons

>>6482810
>>6482810
>>6482821
>>6482840
Not the same type of shading. Those were moreso emulating western comic books and distilling fantasy art into a cel shadable format. Produces a different feel.

>>6482846
they were emulating ninja turtles from the 80’s, which admittedly were animated by japs for the first few episodes iirc
you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about, zoomer

>>6482850
I aint a zoomer but I'm not an 80s child. The examples you showed are not the same as the current netflix slop which has a much more direct heritage things like the boondocks. In the late 90s thru 2000s shading got way more subtle, to the point of nonexistence in some cases. Jackie Chan Adventures is great, but its shading is extremely different from your examples and both it and later shows went down this trend rather than the X-men one.

I don't exactly know why things trended this way (I could assume budgetary) but it did happen until a slow attempt to reverse course, with things like Young Justice and 2011 Thundercats (both of which failed) being examples of this kind of "shading style." The combination of Boondocks, ATLA, anime in general and probably a few other things demonstrated the viability of going in this direction, but it took a while to really gain steam.

>>6482868
you are completely out of your depth and saying increasingly dumb shit, and that’s even if I accept the retarded premise that “anime” boils down to some undefined “feel” of shading and ignore the fact that the design language shares nothing with anime and everything with 30 year old western cartoons
if you said it’s imitating anime because it’s heavily influenced by design choices prominent in gargoyles, maybe you’d have something resembling a point, but everything you’ve said is fucking retarded

>>6482878
Compare this to netflix he-man

>>6482353
Neither of those works are chicken scratch. They just seem to enjoy having an unpolished look. I don't find it particularly pretty, but I do find it refreshing.

>>6482806
>You have to be successful in order to have influence.
This statement is factually wrong. The work doesn't need to be successful to be influential at all, all it takes is for somebody who sees it to take some of the good ideas and apply it to their own thing. You may only KNOW about this influence because the thing that was influenced became a success, but the influence is there regardless of either work's success. A complete piece of dogshit that nobody liked can be highly influential if somebody took the things they liked from that thing, made something of their own with those ideas and that thing was highly successful and spawned copycats of its own.

>>6482786
Oh my god, you fucking retard. I read sun ken rock in 2017 and origin while it was still going Nd it ended 3 years ago. I found his art incredible from the moment I first saw it and I still do now.
Is the 2024 in particular which should change my mind about it?

Oh, and just to shove it up your ass, I'm 19 and this is the way I draw now

>>6482762
Because he's one the best if not the best there is, at the moment

>>6482965
ignore the fag, there are seething niggers on this board who get asspained because a gorean is better at manga than some ngmi who wishes their mother aborted them and reincarnated as a sweaty nip. nice art btw, at 19 that's bretty good.

>>6482974
Thanks man, this drawing is actually way older, I rarely draw now that I'm at university and it's never something I can afford the time to do details.
This one is something I've done more recently

>>6482353
One Piece
I fucking hate how he draws people crying. It's always the same face.

all this butthurt, anime fans are insufferable

Ehh

>>6482567
Now THIS I agree with

>>6482965
you’re a beg, just look at it in a year, you seething retard

>>6482353
... this isn't chicken scratch at all. Those lines are strong and confident. Something not being perfectly clean =/= chicken scratch.

>>6482610
Fujimoto draws picrel dude better

I HAAAAATEEEE BOOMER CARICATURES I HATE FUN WITH PENCIL I HATE HATE HATE MODERN BOOMER CARICATURES FUUUCK IF I EVER GET PORTRAYED AS A BOOMER CARICATURE I WILL KILL MYSELF

>>6482353
When will we brings art styles like pic related or Kazuki Takahashi back when it comes to popular shonen manga? I miss the pointy shape design and the kino fashion sense, but I guess it will probably make zoomers seethe

>>6482770
A true WESTERN anime is shit like Transformers or the later season of Voltron, in which they are literally anime drawn by anime studios for English speaking audiences.

>>6484268
>the later season of Voltron
Wait, they were original content but still made by the same studio? I've thought it was just mix and matched actual anime series but with a new plot from start to finish.

>>6482417
the pose with guts flying to the left like that as if you just flew right through a monster is just cool

>>6482430
that last panel is also pretty soulful despite that goofy-looking dinosaur clashing with that realistically furred bear

BOTH COOL ME THINKS!

Korea's mutation/strain of anime illustration.
I don't get the appeal of trying to be a photoapp filter.

>>6484850
The Korean idea of appeal is all out of whack, it's like they're too desensitized to be interested in anything but the most grotesque extremes. Tiny heads, puffy red eyelids that look infected, inflated lips, it's like every week they're up to some new disturbing silliness, and the worse it gets the more extreme newer stuff needs to be.
Rinotuna is on the less offensive side, kpop-looking shit is what's really infuriating.

>>6484850
>>6484857
>>6482693
Koreans are crazy good at drawing details but everytime i see these kind of art i feel a bit in awe and a lot more of nothing. Its like they're too afraid to make mistakes and just always strive for perfection. I much prefer pic related a 100 times than a super polished anything

>>6483548
The anon who answered before told me to ignore you

stop replying to me, you stupid faggot

>>6484882
I agree with you regarding the vast majority of Koreans, but with Boichi I still get the feelings of the panels despite the care for details

>>6484850

+1

>>6484882
that pic is just a shitty ripoff of hellsing lmao

>>6485280
LOL i did a double take because that legit looks like a traced version of Anderson

>>6485342
it’s not just the design, either
the last 3 panels look like they were legit taken from hellsing and redone with shittier contrast

>>6484857
none of what you said applies to that picture.

>>6482523
>only critique is how th art is made
>ignores the final product
lol
lmao
nothing about innocent's style of realism sacrifices mood, atmosphere, storytelling or action, you're just a retard

>>6484265
>make zoomers seethe
spoken like a true wannabe boomer, y2k revival is in full swing and people love characters like that. it's just not what's currently popular among mainstream mangaka

>>6485280
ok
>>6485342
but
>>6485356
who asked

>>6484829
Nope, totally original animation by Toei, except the stock footage.

Anything that looks like it can't be drawn in less than 1 sitting is a turn off
I don't care if you can sit and waste 90 hours on the same concept and rendermonkey it out

>>6486055
cry
>>6486055
more
>>6486055
butthurt
>>6486055
faggot

>>6486126

>>6482567
I've always called this something like "action figure art" because in stuff like >>6482796 and >>6482821 they've got the same chunky, stiff proportions of the action figures the show sold. And of course, these cartoons aimed at boys always sold action figures. It's always looked like shit to me, honestly, and the newer renditions of it, while not as chunky, look so clean and plastic-y since it's all digital, which detracts even more from it, visually speaking.

i am enjoying all the art in this thread and i think you guys just hate mainstream media/things that are new

>>6482942
No, the teacher of the superstar artist isn't considered influential just because the superstar artist is highly successful. Especially if the teacher is mostly unknown otherwise.

You don't get to claim credit for influencing millions of people just because someone who learned from your shit went on to be successful and people started taking their implementation as inspiration.

>>6486204
You're conflating teaching with influence. If a teacher's student becomes successful off their learnings, then yeah they totally do get to say that they TAUGHT that successful person. INFLUENCED is a different concept.
No, somebody who made something unsuccessful doesn't get to claim responsibility for the success of a future work that is influenced by it, because they played no part in assisting the successful person. Nobody said that they should be able to "claim credit", nor did anybody imply it, so I don't see why you jumped to that conclusion.
And being able to claim credit or not is irrelevant to the influence this person's work had on the successful work, and neither is whether or not the influential work was successful. The concept of "influence" is an objective one. Person A makes Work A, Person B sees Work A and says "That's cool, I like the way x and y" and goes on to make Work B, with x and y. Factually speaking, Work B was influenced by Work A. Person A can be cool with it, or want to claim at least partial credit for x and y, and Person B may or may not acknowledge it and give credit, none of this actually matters toward whether or not Work A influenced Work B.

>>6486055
you are mom lol

>>6486204
wrong, reilly is considering extremely influential in american art, and nobody knows what he taught, let alone any of his work

Now this is peak SOUL

>>6486466
so this is the power of tenure

>>6482371
I envy that cross-hatching so much.

>>6482353
What's your guys opinion on clean outlines and core details paired with quick/messy hatching? Imo it is a good compromise between sketchy and superclean art styles

>>6482560
Now THIS is chicken scratch

>>6482353
>>6484850
This one, and that 2010's look of anime girls from Japan starting with the melancholy of haruhi. Moe girl faces have gotten a little better in the last couple years but there was one point where they all looked punchable. Now it's the Korean girl faces that look punchable.

>>6482353
wtf is going on with that hand in the first panel

>>6482567
What exactly is "anime" about that style? Why are you calling it "fake anime"?

>>6482770
The use of shading in western animation probably has more to do with the move from traditional cel animation to digital.

>>6484882
what is this? looks like the priest from Hellsing.

>>6486136
what's this from?

>>6486152
Oh yeah definitely. "Action figure art" is a fitting for most murican made shows back in the days because their whole purpose is just to sell toys.
Then again the majority of animu waifu shit nowadays are also for selling gacha pulls to porn addicted coomers.

>>6486816
Is that City Hunter?

>>6484850
>>6486984
Ah, crap. Now I started figuring out why this certain artist's artystyle always made me wanna punch their characters for some reason. That artist did said that Koreans influenced him, and this is more or less the artstyle that he evolved into.

>>6482413
this

>>6486343
>>6486439
Dumb as fuck, influence is only direct.
Considering "well the things that influenced the big star artwork/artist/production are by proxy influential" starts a chain of going down the rabbit hole because you have 0 principle for understanding where it stops. You start playing 6 degrees of association to where "Some old dude who lives on my street influenced Kanye" or "The artwork produced during and depicting the Russo-Japanese War influenced Minecraft."

Absolutely braindead take.

>>6484857
>puffy red eyelids
Doesn't that come from traditional Chinese makeup style?

>>6488576
wut
what the fuck does that have to do with reilly

>>6488576
What the fuck are you on about?
I provided a hypothetical scenario in which one person's work directly influences another. Nobody said anything about indirect influence. Are you so desperate to "win" an argument that you have to make up something retarded to argue against? You haven't addressed a single point anybody's made, only strawman arguments you made up.

>>6482567
>IT'S A CARTOON THUS IT'S ANIME ! ! IT DOESN'T DO ^_^ EXPRESSION BUT IT'S ANIME I TELLS YA
(ironically Japanese would call this anime and disney stuff too)

Anime does mean cartoon animation in Japan but what it doesn't mean is Japan only unlike you weebs would like it to, they don't make distinctions and even if they did it wouldn't be based on the retarded shit you guys do

>>6489302
Why not just put more effort into drawing anime that is indistinguishable from real Japanese anime instead of eternally coping on the internet like an entitled westoid?

Soft digital paintings. Nothing wrong with them, I just have a major hard-on for bold line art, distinctive shape language, and high contrast. Though I’m fine with soft-looking traditional paintings.

>>6489343
Why not put effort in realizing Japanese animation is not inherently better than other animation, especially when said animation draws influence from "westoid" animation you degenerate weeaboo?

>>6482353
I prefer sketchy styles but I still love cleaner ones.
For me it's
>Easy to draw
>Looks like a normal person drew it
>Great flow
>Very diverse

>>6484265
>Pencil necks
>Noodle limbs
>Clown feet
I hate it

>>6486816
doesn't look messy at all to me, if anything it's pretty precise

>>6482610
That’s a polished turd

>>6488431
>>6488434
The manga is "Kouya ni Kemono Doukokusu". The reaction image i dunno.

>>6482353
JJK’s art is fucking terrible

>>6490937
I don't even read that but i appreciate manga artists that doesn't abuse tones and understand detail economy. Which makes sense since its an action manga

>>6490948
Just from looking at the OP page I really hate that "scarred/burned face" thing that so many artists are doing these days, it really fucks with reading the character, like he's wearing camo or something.

>>6490956
it’s always on a woman, too

>>6490961
It's as annoying as the "tiny horns" meme or the sharkteeth thing. Anyone jumping on some stupid meme like that in character design immediately outs themselves as a soulless trend chaser.

>>6482610
animefags when they see basic anatomy
>>6482693
if this is what amazing art looks like you might as well read capeshit instead

>>6490963
I dunno about the tiny horns thing but sharkteeths are fucking hot and i don't see enough of it

>>6490981
You want shark teeth chomping down on your cock during a blowjob?

>>6491012
>blowjob
>teeth
human teeth chomping down on your dick would have the same effect

>>6490967
First one’s anatomy is pretty bad, second one is better but you are way below Boichi’s skill level.

tkmiz wannabes who draw shitty twitter memes.

>>6482567
>>6482770
>>6482796
>>6482810
>>6482821
>>6482840
>>6482850
>>6482868
>>6482898
Why is it that weebs have a hard time distinguishing art styles between things that aren’t overly stylized? It’s like they can only process a very minimal amount of details because if there’s too much their brains start overheating. Is it autism?

>>6482371
This just looks too busy. There is no contrast or any clear focus. It was drawn like this to impress the simpleminded goons who think lots of details=good art.

>>6490936
Legend Of The Galactic Heroes

>>6483654
generic male shonenshit