/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6480520
"feed it to the machine"

>>6480520
"trending on artstation"

>>6480520
"fuel for AI generators"

>>6480520
shitting

>>6480520
"Please take me seriously"

>>6480520
Rendermonkeys really got boned with this whole AI thing. Their work is totally synonymous with AI slop now. All that work, learning, hours into one piece. I mean, no normie wants to generate cal-arts style or really anything other than realistic conceptart renders or highly rendered anime girls.

I’ll never be able to look at artstation pieces the same again because of AI, and neither will anyone else. A stylistic shift has to occur now or else you’ll be labeled an ai artist. Realism is dead.

>>6480572
That's the biggest impact AIslop is going to have. Realistic yet colorful rendering has been the trend for like a decade, but now people will start being revolted by it. Whoever nails the upcoming trend is gonna make it big.

>>6480572
>>6480622
Sounds like a good thing desune

>I’m a high performing art student that didn’t develop an identity yet pls gib job
the irony of begtards looking down on them for actually learning how to paint and getting scrapped is pretty funny, though

>>6480520
I always thought this artstyle is tacky and cheap, regardless of the hours put into it. This and the mediocre anime girl art I've seen. No wonder it's so easy for AI to replicate it

>>6480572
>A stylistic shift has to occur now or else you’ll be labeled an ai artist.
That's where you are wrong. Even in present AI is able to shit out a picture in any art style imaginable. Can you imagine what quality it would be able to produce just in 2 months from now in combination with gtp4 and 3D AI models? It's over. Skynet won. Show me ONE style AI can't mimic.

>>6480646

>>6480520
Western industry standard.

>>6480646
2

AI threads have really hit a new low, uh?
Considering all the lawsuit coming in I guess the public stopped giving a shit.

>>6480646
3

>>6480646
this is literally just random shit I have on my phone

>>6480646
You missed my point entirely. Even assuming what you claim is true, and that ai can mimic any style, it won’t be used to do that.

Put plainly, normies don’t care to replicate “lesser” styles. They want realism slop like you see on artstation. Have you not been paying attention? They want highly rendered anime girls. What consumer is going to bother generating picrel for example? No one.

This means that those “lesser” styles won’t be spammed unlike the artstation styles. And this of course means that the perceived value by the public remains high for “lesser” styles while the realism styles value plummets to the ground due to consumer overuse and over-exposure.

Realism is dead. Period. Highly rendered anime is dead. Period. If you don’t believe me, look around and see what people spam with ai. Not cartoons. Not indie art.

>>6480669
>>6480656
>>6480654
>>6480652
>>6480650
I can prompt all of these styles fr. I just don't feel like doing so right now.

>>6480956
prompt deez nuts into your mouth

>>6480669
AI can replicate styles like pic rel but those styles also don't take one million hours to draw by hand. So if you enjoy drawing in those styles and aren't interested in working with AI you can continue to do as you do and won't fall behind the AI crowd doing the same thing.

>>6480646
im stupid can someone explain this gif

>>6480572
Eh even before ai judgement day the more rendered something was the faster I scrolled past it. That digital style was completely overdone and felt generic and boring, like any piece you show me I've seen before somewhere else vaguely. Ai just made it so I know for sure I've seen it before.

>>6480983
if you keep your eyes on the cross hair as instructed, the images on your left and right starts to look deformed as they shift pics.

>>6480983
it’s an optical phenomenon, like the 5 dancing israelis picture

>>6481083
Honestly same.
I do find the skill and effort required to make these impressive.
But also at the same time seeing them does get boring very quickly. The fact that a ton of people having the means to draw anything still would often choose to make human girl woman person unit number 748285 didn't help either.

It's similar to how I feel about about people making those super realistic sketches of celebrities.
The technical skill is impressive but the lack of any kind of creativity makes it hard to give a shit about.

>>6480650
I love landsknecht ladies and I'm sad the artist will never bother to finish this piece

>>6481120
if you mean the preggo version, he posted it in discord

>>6480956
Do it and show results

>>6480520
"Please hire me Pixar I am not guilt of wrongthink"

>>6480653
The lawsuits are the least of their worries lmao

>>6481161
Its funny how there worried about censorship but then do this. This is why censorship will hit ai.

>>6481171
*They're

>>6480520
Shit is souless and takes too much time. Japanese artists doing cell shading with great looking anime girls, good proportions and themes have my respect. I aspire to be like them one day, they are quick drawings that you can have fun making. Imagine being the artists behind this shit and looking forward to spend at least a week rendering all that crap that looks AI generated. Nope. If these guys started from 0 on twitter today their shit would get like 5 likes.

>>6480646
>Show me ONE style AI can't mimic.
Here's the thing, it's not about style. This post will likely be ignored since this board is filled with those obsessed with style and skill, but it is really about CONTENT.
There are countless examples online and in history where the art is mediocre (or even bad) and people still love it because of the CONTENT and the connection it has to the artist.
There you go, the secret weapon against the AI.

Anyone know the name of that rightmost picture at the 1st row from the top? I remember seeing it in a YouTube video and never finding it.

>>6481267
If Ub and Walt posted their Mickey drafts on /ic, they'd be called permabeg ngmis.

generic

>>6481902
https://www.deviantart.com/guweiz/art/Cold-Snow-745214437

>>6481267
>>6481915
Go Nagai is also proof on the weeb side
Plenty of coom artists have broken anatomy, "hands don't bend this way" and etc but they do the good content. Sakimichan and CSR both break spines and other weird things on the regular but the content is what matters.

AI can't do "content" well, unless your desire is to just be surprised and possibly shocked.

>>6481972
Thanks anon!

>>6482111
And just cause the (you)s would be funny:
Example of AI generating stuff to fulfill that desire for being "surprised and possibly shocked"

>>6482121
AIfags truly are retards

>>6482123
It reminds me vaguely of browsing the jp web in the 2000s and stumbling across schizo artists' sites. I don't doubt it's SOMEONE's fetish but it was made by 5 different people all adding to the same prompt, similar to mad libs, for fun. So i'm not even sure how you'd generate that kind of content on purpose.

The content is what matters, and AI artists will always struggle with getting it to produce specific content because you can't actually improve that element of it without computers also radically being revolutionized.

>>6482111
didnt expect to see based uncle go mentioned in this godforsaken board

>>6482135
I swear this board has a lower percentage of oldfags than most. It's like the last 10 years went by in the blink of an eye and now nobody knows the roots of anything.
At least some of the zoomers are getting familiar with shit like picrel, but I dread the day when people only associate fate/ with the gacha game or forget that urobutcher did things other than madoka

>>6482148
>I swear this board has a lower percentage of oldfags than most
Nah, /vg/ has way more. /ic/ gets a lot of zoomtourists but the 40yo crabs scare them away.
Didn't know higurashi was catching on though, so that's great, wonder if it's just a side effect of the undying Umineko memes.
Fate is already forgotten though, almost nobody bothers with the source material, at best they watch the anime adaptations.

>>6482123
They are pretty good at making shitty lies and blame it on artists because they are either pajeet scammers or (former)journalists.

>>6482148
you're not alone in observing this. lots of anons here are recent refugees from tumblr and twitter and other art-related sites, and of course most of them are pretty young. might have to do with the fact that youngsters have more time to devote to drawing. it might illuminate things if another one of those surveys were to be carried out to determine the average age of the board.

>>6480646
It certainly can't mimic the patented /ic/ style, you can't copy art that doesn't exist.

>>6480653
I read that this lawsuit has high chances to fail because the plaintiffs are misrepresenting how the tech works. Is it another case of pajeet gaslighting or did they really...
Really fucking hate how out of all the fields they could have tried to automate, techniggers picked the one that needed it the least

>>6482121
>two cocks
well, I’m surprised

>>6482148
I’ve been on the board for some 10 years and it’s been like groundhog day since 2015 at the latest, just a constant influx of beginners asking the most retarded inane questions and presumably giving up to be replaced by the next batch with barely anything new happening
the nft/ai shill wave is the worst thing I recall

>>6480956
>AIjeets have surpassed nodraw and have reached noprompt.

>>6482205
it’s not art, it’s everything, art is just the most appealing to consoomers because they’re already used to scrolling instagram or browsing panda for 14 hours a day and artists are poorfags without publishers to sue the scrappers into the ground

most of the post 2018 internet is machine generated, it’s why whenever you google “best X” you get 500 sites that spout actual complete bullshit, it’s just bots crawling the net and making pages for keywords with lots of traffic and few results for amazon affiliate money
we’re balls deep in web3.0 and nobody realizes it but the people making 50 sites a year
text is fucking gone, they’re done, all the “storytellers” (the people who write marketing shit) are fucking done, writers are fucking done, songwriters are fucking done
music is gatekept by the sheer fear of jews
cgi and related fields are pining for the fjords
design is fucked
legal in particular is already dead and haven’t been replaced solely because the single digit percent of the time when “ai” fucks up, it really fucks up, similar to image gen, otherwise it interprets contract law better than humans 99% of the time
medical is the same
urban planning and architecture are gone

art is fucking inconsequential even at the current stage of development, it’s practically a byproduct of image recognition, the only reason it’s so prominent is that it appeals to the lowest common denominator

>>6482296
>legal in particular is already dead
I hope so, god fucking dammit do I hope so. I want lawyers to get taken down a peg. Smug leeches feeding off of the law being so obtuse that you have to pay out thousands to get a lawyer just so you don’t fuck up. If you need a lawyer and you live paycheck to paycheck your life is basically over financially.

>>6482314
that is more or less tradies on /pol/ posting about artists and coders getting fucked by ai

>>6482317
One minute they say trades are safe and the next they're whining about immigrants taking all the jobs.
The real question is where are all these new jobs that AI is supposedly going to create? Why is it that the same AI fags alternate between "new tech creates more new jobs than it destroys!" and "we need to consider UBI now!"

>>6482296
I sure am glad they will kill most of us in a decade or two. I was never asked to live in their disgusting hell world anyway.

>>6482296
>most of the post 2018 internet is machine generated
Yep. Any freelance writer can tell you that most companies want articles packed with keywords, not interesting or informative writing.
Most content is so analytic driven that most movies and TV shows already feel like they're written by an algorithm. I mostly watch films and series over 20 years old to avoid the shit.
One silver lining as an artist is that (maybe) anything that looks and feels like it's made by a human will stand out in the sea of generated shit. And that there will be those few who will seek it out, just like people seek out indie films and classic comics.

>>6480669
Normies will want to replicate whatever is popular. As soon as a new style takes off and becomes popular, aifags will create a model to replicate that style.

Right now, realism and anime are popular, so that's what is mainly being generated. It probably won't stay that way, though.

>>6482536
>"new tech creates more new jobs than it destroys!"
Which is why there are massive Silicon Valley layoffs as we speak. The only new jobs tech creates are fake jobs.
The jobs mostly available are service jobs, which leads us to:
>"we need to consider UBI now!"
Yeah, right. The NEET /pol/ army doesn't get out much. Retail and restaurants are running on skeleton crews. Even after raising wages they can't keep workers around. Seems wagie doesn't want to be wagie anymore after having the luxury of sitting home for months during lockdown. Does anyone seriously believe the government would further disincentivize people to work in this environment? lmai

I just wish I could somehow filter out this whole AI issue, I am already struggling with constant anxiety, but this thing will push me over the edge and break me eventually.

>>6482597
>I am already struggling with constant anxiety
I was there when I first started. Now, the AI thing has helped me focus. What do I really want to do with my art? Make good comic stories with interesting characters.
AI helped me realize making art is more than just making pretty pictures. Hell, even if you just want to do single images you can incorporate storytelling, which AI sucks at.
Anyway, what helps is to find out what you really want to do and hyper-focus on that.

>>6482606
I don't see the point of doing anything anymore. This whole automation issue just made me extremely misanthropic. I guess this is a place we born into to be punished.

>>6482606
it made me double down on trad
I thought the digital space was over saturated in garbage before, but holy shit, it’s over, even pro paintings are going to look like mass produced generic shit now
fuck me, I’ll be the old guy selling paintings on the street and running from the cops when they ask about receipts and taxes

>>6482608
>I don't see the point of doing anything anymore.
That's the path of nihilism, anon. AI has had the opposite effect on me, I want to embrace humanity and create art with flaws and raw beauty. Even if we have a small niche of handmade art, that alone is a bulwark against the robots.
>>6482614
>it made me double down on trad
Same. I started out down that road before AI as well, studying the work of classic comic artists, investing in artist's editions, brushes and pens instead of a new digital tablet. I'm glad that I did.

>>6482630
I envy you, but I just want to get off this cursed ride.

>>6482536
>One minute they say trades are safe and the next they're whining about immigrants taking all the jobs.
A lot of it is just schadenfreude because people in white collar jobs often scoff at blue collar ones.
>Why is it that the same AI fags alternate between "new tech creates more new jobs than it destroys!" and "we need to consider UBI now!"
It's not the same ones. The former are more realistic and a mix of various people who have clearer views of history and take time to research new technology.
The latter are opportunistic socialists/communists/progressives speaking from pure ideology cause they see artists as petit bourgeois, and AI as a way to try to take capitalism down a peg.

Its like how 2 people can both be anti-copyright but have different underlying reasons/theoretical foundations as to why.
>>6482553
>anything that looks and feels like it's made by a human will stand out in the sea of generated shit
Yes, and people who use AI skillfully (as one of many art tools in their arsenal) will too. Like how those shitty pajeet youtube "tech" channels have almost no cultural relevance but ones like LTT, bigclive, EEVblog, etc do.

>>6482597
Just go offline, go outside and draw or close your browser and play some viddygame or watch shit you pirated to get ideas
>>6482608
The point of doing anything is to do things.
There is no greater goal, you make your own path in life.
This is your responsibility as human being. We do nothing without affecting our environment, and we change from moment to moment from every nanosecond action that we do and do not take.
You have all the power to do what you want.

I will tell you a short story.
Some weeks ago, I was exhausted while riding my bike. Nausea-tier, can't walk tier. So I took a break by laying down and taking a 5-10 minute nap on the sidewalk. 4 different people stopped to ask me if I was okay.
The paths that are conventional are not the only ones that exist, as an artist you must learn to see beyond.

>>6482638
pure cope
there’s no “using ai skilfully” unless you mean painting over whatever the ai what out, at which point you went full retard and gave a rng control over the composition, thumb, etc and relegated yourself to being a rendermonkey to a machine, literally the opposite of advancement on any level
you’re just typing keywords and the thing is returning the same result it would have given anyone
the fucking retards swarming ai imagegen don’t even know how to use a fucking computer it seems, they just type wordswordswords like an 80 year old using google, blissfully unaware how keywords and syntax even work
the more adopted and accepted ai gets, the more developed labels are, the more generic and incestuous the results will be, this is the inescapable reality of the tech

>>6480520
Today's Gold Rush

>>6480520
This kind of art can be automated because its easy, it doesn't take a lot of effort to make plebs go "wow!" with photoshop. Try getting an AI to design efficient motors or processors and you discover the real value of human intelligence. You took the easy way out and you're surprised others want to take it too.

>>6482653
You can 100% use AI skillfully.
You can use it to make photobash material, you can use it for background elements. You can run things in it via img2img with a high denoise to generate things along a similar "feel" and get new compositions. You can use it to quickly make things that look like matte paintings for animation backgrounds, VN backgrounds, and so on.

Basically it's a free stock asset generator - it takes some learning to get things to come out of it in useful ways, but you can easily fill your hard drive with a bunch of cool shit to reuse elsewhere.

As an artist I can look at an output and go "you know what there's something there, let me give it a shot", similar to how some have used childrens' scribbles as inspiration and reference in order to make cool shit.

Work smart, not hard.

And yea most AI art is crap - the output is shitty, the curation is nonexistent, and the people aren't using all the features in depth enough to shove it out of the realm of "samey AI crap" most of the time. Pure-AI art is way WAY less efficient than other forms, since if you have an distinct idea it's a struggle to wrangle things on target, requiring a lot of generations to get a base and then much img2imging, inpainting, and other refinement to get it to an acceptable level.
That process can't really be improved, only the amount of errors in even simple, generic outputs.

And the reason it can't be, is that all the training data CAN'T be made more "natural" without losing the ability to generate things outside the basics. The more training data there is, the better the outputs usually can get, but as a consequence the more schizo your prompts have to seem to get good results rather than "samey" ones.

That's why I'm not afraid. It's literally inefficient to use to produce final products as it can't be used to do more than boring crap. The market never settles on boring for very long, so artists are really needed in the process still.

>>6482678
>The market never settles on boring for very long
Explain USA

>>6482663
Basically this.
Concept art is made to pass on to 3d modellers, illustrators and such so they can do the ACTUAL final product. It's not actually designed as a final image in and of itself, just as part of a larger process, so getting it done efficiently and quickly is really important.
Basically it works like:
>Why draw what you can photobash?
>Why photobash what you can generate and paintover?
>Why generate what you can google?

So many concept artists also paint really samey because if they move from the concept to the illustrator position, they end up doing the other end of the same job. Companies want unified aesthetics and art schools are happy to train people for those jobs. But it ultimately makes them replaceable because they're just there to vomit out someone else's vision and rarely learn to find their own voice.
Plus plenty of art directors are shitheads and don't want them to have their own voice in it, only the director's.

They spent their time doing the easy mechanical work of art and then reveal how shit their personalities are. I don't think they're actually in danger of LOSING their jobs but the field of concept art changes with technology rapidly. The introduction of accessable 3d for compositing, the glut of high quality images online for photobashing (without licensing, as the result either never leaves the studio or is done in very transformative ways to not bother legal) changed it radically to where many had to get used to photobashing as a main component of their work. This is no different, it won't replace them - just force them to learn new skills as it can be useful in getting things done on time and under budget.

>>6482685
>Country that obsesses over "MADE IN AMERICA"
>Country that has constant media bubbles because US consumers get bored of the same shit after it gets diluted to death
If you mean shit like marvel movies and Fifa games, that's because the people use those as an excuse for socialization, not as a primary focus.

>>6482638
>It's not the same ones.
Lmao. One of my relatives argued at Thanksgiving that AI will create new jobs and then in the next sentence started babbling about UBI and Andrew Yang. That's just one irl example, retards like him are all over the internet. Perhaps they mean that the new jobs will be unskilled shit jobs and everyone will need UBI in addition?

Look I appreciate your optimism. I realize that history has a pattern of new technology arising and people learning new skills. No one has any good answers as to what new industries and jobs will arise from the AI era. Examples I typically see are the same jobs but AI does most of the work, and degrading shit like starting your own business picking up dog poop. No one is going to pay the same amount of employees, or hire even more, to do the same amount of work that a handfull of guys can do with AI. It's just not going to happen and tons of business guys are already gloating openly about never having to pay anyone for xy or z again. The only new things I see arising, other than a small pool of high level programming and robotics jobs, are space exploration (basically signing up as a guinea pig to see how fast you die on mars) and medical trials for neurolinks and other types of augmentation. People will get desperate enough to do it when there's no jobs and no government handouts.

Those are multiple styles, idiot. But they all, besides the anime one, fall under stylized realism.

>>6482758
>andrew yang
I'm not surprised honestly. There are always retards and Yang himself is an authoritarian grifter whose entire platform is based on fear of automation. Incoherency is baked in.

>dog poop
Anon I'm specifically talking about AI art, not fucking automation as a whole. You have to examine each specific industry to see how automating something will affect it, the specifics of how that automation works, what it does well and what it struggles with, and so on.

You're missing a big point though, and it's that a lot of people have been saying things like "If you can't afford to pay a living wage then you don't deserve to be in business." Lowering costs allows people to be in business, hiring a smaller amount of employees, sure. But with a lowered cost of entry that means more businesses, which means more people employed. It also means greater choice and competition, rather than the consolidation trend (which "startup culture" is a part of.)

You could start a studio with 3 people before, but your project scope would have been limited and it would take a long time to do much.
Now you can do it and, using some AI tools to reduce the overhead of purchasing stock assets and speeding up a few processes, have a wider scope of what you can do, faster.

>>6482788
>Those are multiple styles
Technically true. But it brings up an interesting point: even if they are different style, the tools being used create a 'sameness' to the imagery, which is why I'm not surprised OP could mistake them as the same style.
Maybe the fact so many digital artists are using the same software, brushes, techniques creates a homogeneous aesthetic, one that lends itself to machine learning.

>>6482317
/pol/fags are always seething about something that makes no sense. On the one hand they’re supposed to appreciate culture, heritage and aestheticism, but instead they’re thrilled about the goyslop generator.
And then they’ll straw man you by pretending that you’re in favor of woke calarts whatever while they’re patricians who appreciate Victorian anime girls with comically large tits.
In this situation /pol/fags are just coomer retards that want to consooom infinitely, while people with inborn talent(as people who are stuck on the talent paradigm would believe) get their work, identity and culture stolen from them.
But they don’t mind about the few getting stolen from by the many, because these last men get to make Ariel white again and they can coom to really uncanny deepfake porn.

>>6482831
They like it because they see it as a way to show "what the people really want" as opposed to being dictated to by elites.
/pol/ leans heavy on populism

>>6482831
It's all a fucking larp, /pol/ wouldn't know real culture if it bit them in the ass. They'll throw the western canon into the algorithm meat grinder for some coom material. They're no different than the woketards, consoomers all of 'em.
Avoid ideological capture like the plague.

>>6482853
no, it’s literally just about sticking it to fags that earn money moving their fingers a bit, same reason they have threads celebrating chatgpt replacing coders
the threads are filled with tradies to the point that posting a picture of a welding robot in the first few replies became a meme because it completely derails the thread every time with assmad replies about trades rebuilding society and other stupid shit

>>6480520
Photobashed digital goyslop

>>6482870
From what I've seen they've maintained a narrative that the elites control culture and force it on the masses, pushing out beauty in favor of things that are ugly and abstract. You see this in the architecture discussions they have too.

The (false) prospect of "pushing the elites out" with their AI stuff, by showing that people want "classic" things, what they call "beauty", and so on and not "goyslop" is why it appeals to them.

It's literally a populist attitude, I don't really see how you can interpret it any other way. Yes they see coders as also part of that, they generally dislike major cities and see coders that live in them, pining for bigger positions as bugmen.

Like dislike them all you want but at least learn their attitudes correctly so you can be accurate about your enemies.

>>6482792
>You could start a studio with 3 people before, but your project scope would have been limited and it would take a long time to do much.
>Now you can do it and, using some AI tools to reduce the overhead of purchasing stock assets and speeding up a few processes, have a wider scope of what you can do, faster.
Sounds like a dream come true. The question is how to make that profitable with tons of people rushing in to do the same thing and with people scraping your assets/final product to develop their own clones to compete with you.

>>6482879
nigger, I am a /pol/fag, I am telling you what it is
it’s just schadenfreude that people with comfier lives are having it taken away from them
/pol/ doesn’t even have anything approaching a coherent ideal outside of memery, half of them will cry about kike banks printing money then turn around and defend literal kike landlords renting out places they mortgaged from kike banks, knowing every loan is a deposit of freshly printed money, the other half will laud muh capitalism muh free market, then demand landlords be rounded up and hanged from lamp posts
you have to be a truly retarded individual to take /pol/ at face value

>>6480520
"Ai lookin" It was certainly a style you could be proud of until recently, but rn, every piece you share will be suspicious and people will sugggest you used ai every single time

>>6482283
LMFAO
"I just don't have the time or energy to PROMPT, being an ai pomt-engineer is so exhaustin, I will never be like the old ai masters!"

I think artists who draw and paint live on stream and video will still continue to have value and make $$$. people still like to watch people who are good at doing something. but all the Artstation concept art style monkeys who just shit out that generic semi-realism rendering stuff and do nothing else of value are fucking doomed. as they prob should be.

>>6480956
>I can, but I don't wanna xD
You're too lazy to prove anything

>>6480572
But rendermonkeys still knows how to draw. And they can draw something else if the same shit is too saturated. This is like saying someone who knows how to cook fried chicken is doomed because frozen microwaveable chicken existed.
Pajeets dont learn anything lol.
>B-but proompting is a skill!
Imagine thinking proompting is... le hard.

>>6480956
>Proompting is... le hard.
Kek. The jokes are writing themselves.

>>6482148
I'm a 4chan oldfag, on here since late 2004 iirc. Didn't visit /ic until the later part of the 00s, but didn't stick around long enough to pick up on board memes beyond LOOMIS and the infamous Larry Birkhead portrait. Only recently came back as I've finally decided to git good at art in general as opposed to focusing on my niche interest.

is this the ai thread?

>>6483229
Israel was a mistake

>>6483229
What a shock
>he never looked into LAION's ties

>>6482891
/pol/ are full of glowniggers who want you to become terrorists and feed you with unrelated information. Every time someone post something important, the board will be flood with
>tranime bad
>Flat Earth
>Christian hate thread.

>>6482578
And they are getting bored of it. Outside of spamming art sites, what have AIfags done? One made shitty comic where the character shifts it’s design every page and then another fag made childrens book only to get shit at by the internet. Giving these tools to masses to generate in any art style they want and it all resulted in nothing. I am on one discord server with zoomers and some gen alpha kids, nobody cares about it, the most they do is create highly rendered pictures of Joe Biden sniffing aliens neck that they got from Midjourney. Also, simple styles like cartoon are just easier to draw yourself even if you suck at drawing then prompt the AI. Even normies know that what they generate is not exactly what they want and will spend several minutes trying to wrangle the prompts into giving them the desired character in desired style and desired pose, only to then lose all the free credits and be then forced to pay 30 dollar monthly fee for Dall-E or Midjourney. They will not use Stable Diffusion, that model is too small to produce good stuff without /sdg/ autism analysing each prompt and its weights. People will value artistic skill less and value more storytelling and world building. ChatGPT still can’t produce long cohesive texts that follow context well and will not do it for a while since lack of memory is key aspects of all the most advanced current textbots. Character design that tells a story and is part of a universe you made will not go away yet. AI after all has no mind or soul, it can mimic artistic soul and put there unnecessary details that look like they tell a story, but upon closer analysis they dont. You have to push the people to view your Work to have a lore and thoughtful design elements, you have to make people not think your work is just bunch of random made up characters with no relation.

Also fanart is still unautomatable. AI can render well 2B, or Genshin Impact characters, but will struggle with less known ones.

>>6483186
Recently you mean just before AI, or are you insane enough to start drawing after AI?

>>6483275
Work on your reading comprehension.

>>6482891
As fellow poltard I can agree on that /pol/ and most of alt-right internet is just nothing but contrarians that look at what liberals are doing and then try to do the exact opposite. Probably the most retarded example of this was the recent gas stove meme where retards started defending gas stoves in the most retarded ways possible just because some study found out that breathing smoke from open fire in your house is bad for you. Not trusting elites is a key, but being contrarian sheep doing the opposite of normie sheep is prehaps even more retarded then being the normie sheep.

>>6483281
Starting again

Here you go, now answer if you are insane or not.

There are lgood news and bad new:
>Good news: AI pajeets who spam AI threads in all board got fired from his job
>Bad news: He will span more.

>>6483229
Reminder that the founder and CEO of midjourney is a Jew.

>>6483285

>>6483285
What a time to be alive!
https://youtu.be/uzF6CTtjn-g

>>6483288
Fuck I hate this guy. He's like a fictional character intentionally designed to be detestable to the audience. I wonder what thoughts he has in his head every time he so enthusiastically says that. I can't imagine.

>>6483288
>those comments
I wonder what it's like to talk to these people in real life.

>>6481161
> illegal in the U.S.
I'm a little spooked to ask what it is.

>>6483317
for whatever reason, US tech companies have troves of CSAM to train ai on... to filter them out or in this case let Africans to filter them out...

>>6480520
artstation photobashed goyslop

>>6480646
i have yet to see AI actually do a good leyendecker impression
the stuff they generate all looks like rockwell when you prompt him in

>>6483372
I find many of the classic illustrators and comic artists get 'generic illustration' look with airbrush on top. In fact, I just typed a few into Lexica and it's gotten worse.
At least when SD was first released there were some quirky results that sparked inspiration. Now it's all streamlined shit. Guess that'll be AI's weakness, over-refinement, which is a detriment to art.

>>6480656
nice anders zorn

>>6483321
>being a codemonkey is just an excuse to look at CP all day for """research purposes""" and """machine learning""""
Whoah...

>>6483288
I wish I could go back 20 years and tell everyone not to upload anything to the internet.

>>6480622
The next big thing will also get used by AI you fucking retard. Artists can not win this one no matter how hard they try to change their style

>>6483372
>>6483387
The way it works is that the alt text of images is what's associated with the training data. And a lot of that text (it's 5 billion images!) is from shitty clickbait and youtube articles, as well as non-clickbait ones and - most importantly - pinterest. So you may have things like
>J.C. LEYENDECKER | Norman rockwell art, Norman rockwell, Rockwell
incorporated into the data from peoples' pinterest collections.

As >>6483273
put, you need to autistically analyze each prompt, possibly each keyword, as well as the weights and so on in order to get it to do what you want.
Putting "rockwell" in the negatives may have undesirable effects as well. The reason for this is that you're trying to direct the image generated via averaging out all the data using the text prompt for any particular seed. So putting Leyendecker in the prompt and Rockwell in the neg may just cause it to be confused since both are showing similar humanesque shapes. You may instead need things like specifying dates due to Leyendecker being active before rockwell was - 1919, 1911, etc as tags may help.

I learned that you have to approach it like this just playing around with it while doing other things, because puzzles are fun and there's a several-minute timer between generations which dovetails nicely into a workflow.

>>6483459
ai was a mistake

>>6483431
>The next big thing will also get used by AI
There'll always be something AI sucks at, and artists can exploit it. Right now it can't do pic related, it can't do text or much else in that image with any fidelity. It also sucks at mimicking traditional art, the Kim Jung Gi model sucked ass.
There's a reason much AI art uses the 'artstation style' in OP and it has more to do than with popularity—it's what AI is good at. Primarily because that style is the lingua franca of digital imagery, and AI is digitial imagery.
AI's biggest weakness is that it sucks at storytelling. And every big AI 'project' I see online revolves around it being AI. People try to argue it's a tool, but at this point it's a novelty, producing meme and kitsch imagery.

>>6483477
What's out nowadays is just the retarded baby version of the AI art generators that are to come.

Right now it fucks up on text and hands, but by 2024 there will be open source AI models that mog every living and dead artist. Just look at how far midjourney has come in a short amount of time.

Every style is an abstract yet computable algorithm of brushstrokes, coloring, verisimilitude and content. Anything computable computers will eventually be able to do.

Enjoy the last few years of human supremacy while they last

>>6483535
Klaus Schwab's latest forecast is a large scale cyberattack that will make COVID look like a joke. Seems like the endgame of unregulated AI research alright.

>>6483229
AHAHAHAHAHA
so much for the jewish copyright narrative

>>6483554
Incidentally many of the people behind AI stuff are jewish.

>>6483561
jews are unironically behind everything with money

>>6483562
what a powerful magical race

>>6483535
except that the language interpreter literally cannot be made better
The only thing you can get is higher fidelity outputs, not outputs that are more accurate to what is desired

Quality-of-output means fuckall if the content differs from what you want in significant ways, and if the content is good then the quality doesn't have to be in order for it to work.

>>6483564
unironically

>>6483477
Yea AI really can't do gijinkas or intentional character design super well.
You can get it to do things other than "trending on artstation" or the plastic novelai style though, it's just that the former is retard-brain easy to understand and it has a lot of stuff under the tag, while the latter is the default "average" for novelai coomers who just put "big boob blonde anime girl smiling american flag bikini" instead of doing an autisticly long SD prompt like I did for picrel. It's not "great" but it's about "shitty VN" quality, and it'd work as an OC ref - maybe with some touchups.

>album cover,acrylic painting,dutch angle,zoom lens,natedecock,rebis dungeon,kloah,panty and stocking,krekkov,clickagain,nighttime,lake,hot spring,top natural swimming vacation spots,looking_at_viewer,galko-chan,Marin Kitagawa,bikini,[[[nagatoro face]]],smug,grin,(huge breasts),huge breasts,huge pecs,big nipples,bikini,bikini,[[gyaru]],abs,green-eyes,long_hair,blonde_hair,water,cleavage,((breast expansion)),exaggerated proportions,milf
>Negative prompt: resort,bamboo,towel,oni,giantess,loli,raita,danganronpa,photo,disney,overwatch,hero academia,orc,fat,skinny,eat this 1 food to burn belly fat,download now,pinterest,flickr,legend-of-zelda,5 ways you're ruining your photographs,party,lantern,how to airbrush photos
>Steps: 27, Sampler: Euler a, CFG scale: 7.5,
Seed: 3587543649, Size: 512x448, Model hash: 9f73b7c9

>>6483575
here’s what I want to know: is the full retard format/comp like that pic, >>6483535 etc some retarded average the ai decides on based on the dataset or is it aifags making retarded crops to hide some fuckup?
every fucking character-focused ai image is like that and I can tell it’s ai just from the thumb, no artist is ever going to paint something like that digitally, that’s some rookie running out of space in a sketchbook shit

>>6483578
Both. Artists hide hands a lot, and AI artists both curate out images that show hands and crop images that have bad elements before blowing them up again with waifu2x or something.

I've gotten images that don't show hands about 30-40% of the time and I usually specify nothing about the hands

>>6483585
No artist hide hand when needed. You are using Kids who draw deformed cartoon head and call themselves artist as strawman. You are as shitty as them so you compare with them to justify your shitty choice of using AI. You are no different than those kikes who invade the art world for their money laundering if you aren't them already.

>>6483164
Realism and stylization are two different skills. I've seen plenty of people who draw like the OP pic that can't draw a cartoon to save their lives.

>>6483535
>Right now it fucks up on text and hands, but by 2024
lol, this was supposed to happen 6 months ago

>>6483585
>Artists hide hands a lot
kek, you fucking retarded Indian. it's just a bunch of beginner artists who did not learn how to draw hands that do this. excuses, excuses, excuses, learn to draw if you want to post here retard. there's nothing to critique from the goy slop you generate, and your shitty plagiarism software is cannot be communicate with as it's not a living being, so fuck off. you'll never ever fir it no matter how hard you try

>>6483284
you have to be retarded to have AI influence your decision in doing this or not. it's about what you do yourself, "AI" is not you, first of all. meanwhile you're a retard who is just going to drown himself in shitty generated pictures seeking nothing more than internet clout. keep it up with the nigger behavior, even normalfags are starting to hate you

>>6483615
Left look like a kikeket holding his diamond

>>6483535
This is objectively false. These models, under their current design, lack both object permanence and the comprehension of three dimensions. These two facts from the get go, severely cripple it's drawing ability, especially when it comes to making comics or animation.

>>6483626
the problem with these money grubbers is that even if it's shit and limited, they'll push it and hang unto every little thing that "advances" it so they can hype up the retards and squeeze them off their money

>>6483615
Im starting to think that all those cases of ai regurgitating the same picture are just faked by the artist themselves to spark outrage

Its weird that they are always on the prowl looking at ai stuff and finding it when some people can't even get a view on their work

>>6483731
you some kinda newfag?
people here dig out random stock images and porn screenshots that someone traced, and you think one of the 30k people following him couldn’t have seen the two images and let him know?

>>6483823
is everyone just looking 24/7 at every piece of art that gets uploaded just to find stolen work?

lmao do they have no life?

>>6483835
are you 12 or did you flunk out of school before you got to probability?

>>6483731
>IT"S A CONSPIRACY TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!!!!!!!
no, you're a nigger, and AI users are disgusting niggers who behave like chimps
>Its weird that they are always on the prowl looking at ai stuff and finding it when some people can't even get a view on their work
yeah, it's so weird that they've become extremely vigilant towards their own things. it's so weird that normalfags like you copy the popular ones and think it's a fine thing to do because you have no idea what the art community is all about. it's so weird that artists see this shit happen all the time on art websites. it's not like they're supposed to be there in the first place, right? dumb parasite

>>6483535
>Every style is an abstract yet computable algorithm of brushstrokes, coloring, verisimilitude and content.
The last one is where AI hits a roadblock. Content is an outgrowth of an artist's idiosyncratic style, like handwriting. The art doesn't even have to be 'good,' just reflective of the content.
A good example: Peanuts. On a pure skillcel level Peanuts isn't impressive, but the simplicity reflects the content. As Charles Schulz aged, the line became shakier and the art cruder. But that was fine, the comic was a reflection of the man. Could you imagine if Schulz used AI to do Peanuts?
Another example is my favorite, Robert Crumb. He fearlessly puts it all on paper. His insecurities. His sexual fantasies. His obscure interests. His bizarre philosophical thoughts. His fucked up childhood.
Now Crumb IS technically skilled. But he also has a quirky style—an acquired taste—which is closely identified with him and his content.
Theoretically you could have an AI that does the same. It could have an entire biography, psychology, individual art style. But at that point we’re just playing pretend. What human would care? (besides the odd tech fetishist)
When the dust settles humans will still want art from humans, and it comes down to content. AI is a novelty.

The sad fact of the matter is AI art will take over commercial illustration, concept art and coomer art jobs and careers and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Non AI Digital fine art will fade too though fine art as whole will stay.
The first jobs to go will be junior positions and the more menial, labor intensive tasks like animation. This even before AI was already a highly oversatuarated market meaning its going to be extremely hard to get your foot in the door as an artist.
Executives and businesses owners are already jizzing their pants on the prospect of firing half their workforce m/creative departments.
Also if you didn't save enough money for living expenses if your job gets automated and/or picked a career that was vulnerable to being automated like art, you have no one to blame but yourself. There are no handouts out UBI bullshit and no-one should be expected to support unemployed eaters who honestly need to euthanize themselves becuase of over population.

>>6483848
lmao calm down

Who watches art constantly that they catch these things?
its just weird that so many go barely unnoticed, but somehow these nobodies manage to find some randomly generated piece of art that is exactly a 1 to 1 copy of their work.
Yeah, sure.
>>6483856
you sound mad

>>6483904
why are you telling me to calm down in response to me asking if you were taught probability in school, and why are you still posting like you were never taught probability in school?

>>6483908
Why are you sure that your math is applicable to how people behave? lmao get real

>6483902
>The sad fact of the matter is AI art will take over commercial illustration, concept art and coomer art jobs and careers and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
This based on absolutely nothing than wet dreams of technoretards.
>There are no handouts out UBI bullshit and no-one should be expected to support unemployed eaters who honestly need to euthanize themselves becuase of over population.
Quit playing a tough guy online, you imbecilic troll.

>>6483911
because I’m not retarded

>>6483902
>Non AI Digital fine art
This reveals you as a tourist. Digital fine art isn't significant to any degree, when used it's just an extension of concept art, installation etc.
'Fine artists' are laughing at this whole AI thing. In fine art skill and even form is an afterthought, it's about writing a thesis and then finding out what asses to kiss to get into a gallery.

>>6483914
cope

>>6482890
I'm likely a dumbass but I cannot see how one could make it profitable.
Any market for new/indie stuff will be flooded with generic bullshit (even more than today).
Anything made as an attempt to stick out will get nearly instantly absorbed into everyone else's "AIs" and reproduced.

Meanwhile large companies will still get to sit back and let the recognizability of their brand do most of the work for them.

>>6483902
>labor intensive tasks like animation
the only animation AI will be able to get done is goAnimate tier Family Guy clones with static flat staging, and that's still assuming it can even keep character design consistent frome frame to frame.

>6483902
(You)

>>6483913
Its already happening and its been happening long before AI art too. Advertisers, illustration firms and other creative businesses have put a freeze on hiring new interns and employs and are waiting on AI to mature which is happening at warp 9speeds. Granted alot of that is also the economy but you can bet your megar savings that once labour's markets go south its open season on downsizing creative departments and replacing them with AI. Feel free to put your head in the sand though I don't let something like AI live rent free in my head becuase I saved money and invested it in guess what "Machine Learning" enterprises!
>>6483916
Which.. is pretty much what I am talking about. I'm differentiating illustration, applied, commercial or ultitarian art from Fine Art. I'm just using fine art to refer to art that's done for purely asthetic or expressive creative reasons (i.e just cus').
Also I wasn't comparing digital to Trad art either. Whether or not fine art is created Trad, digital or even AI is kinda irrelevant. However I would agree 100% that most Trad fine artists don't give two shits about AI art or are panicking about it.

>>6483606
>>6483611
>state objective fact that a lot of art hides the hands because a lot of artists are hacks and also lazy, therefore the dataset includes a lot of poses where the hands are hidden
>massive butthurt copium for no percievable reason
Who knew crabs would treat a simple statement of objective fact as bait?

>>6483615
>>6483731
>>6483856
That type of image is specifically using img2img with a low denoising strength, which essentially makes it very similar to just running the picture through certain types of filters.
As a contra-example, I put one of my own drawings through it with a high denoising strength (0.69) + some tags and after some fiddling got this out of it. Very different from the art I actually put in. If I didn't use any tags it'd also be completely different.

>>6483860
Yep, 100% true. AI is useful as parts of an image or for people who enjoy the process enough to really dig deep into it. I really see it similar to fractal art in that regard.
Also Go Nagai is another (weeb) example for your list of "content over technical skill" here: >>6482111

>>6483942
AI can't be used for finished products where the content matters. It CAN be used for the supporting work - things like backgrounds, brainstorming, or a rapid basis for storyboarding. An example of the latter is this one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEfVtt8A2rg With some redlining that could be a decent storyboard (or at least set of thumbnails) for working on an animation or comic.

Professionals don't fly by the seat of their pants for productions that are important.

>>6483972
>labour
Go back to fellating your king
>"I invested in machine learning"
So you have a financial incentive in convincing people this will be happening, as you stand to lose a lot of money if confidence in the ML shit wanes. On top of being a royal subject you are also retarded, and I'm assuming a tourist from /biz/
>I'm just using fine art to refer to art that's done for purely asthetic or expressive creative reasons (i.e just cus').
That is not what fine art is.

>>6483973
Is that basically that the same the same thing as that new Adobe tool, I forgot the name its basically like contextual outpainting/stamp tool.

>>6483956
so all modern western animation

>>6483956
>the only animation AI will be able to get done is goAnimate tier Family Guy clones
Really? It seems to suck at even that. The best AI animations I've seen are basically rotoscope, a slightly more advanced version of what's been done since 1915. Other than that there's the weird fever dream animations with shifting imagery.
The biggest problem is that AI always screams "HEY LOOK I'M AI." It reduces itself to a parlor trick.

>>6483979
I have no idea what adobe is shitting out its ass, I don't use their products.
Img2img is a basic function of stable diffusion-based AI tools, primarily used to run AI outputs through again for more refinement than you can get by just adjusting the weights on the raw one, with inpainting available for selective-adjusting.

>>6483731
Oh I can assure you it happens. These artists aren't searching the internet for copies; people come to them to inform them of this shit.
Happened to me when I had a following aswell.

>>6483999
People do that because the artists who bitch about people using their art are super easy to troll. Heck you could probably run someone's pic through a posterization filter, save the .psd, then send the png to them and tell them "I found someone used AI on your picture ;_;" only to reveal - after they make a 9-post tweet thread - that you just used a fucking filter.

>>6484010
No. This shit happens. Technerds are oblivious to the microculture in this circle they've forced themselves into. We've always looked down on tracers and people who copy others.
The prompters seem to be oblivious to all of this. So of course they're gona step on toes and knock shit over. Many of them believe they're entitled to anyones work. Why then would you be surprised that this happens? When you clearly see their lack of empathy.
A lot of fans will reach out out of sympathy with the artist.
It's not rocket science dude.
Happened to me back in 2006 when I was actively building a following. Several times. Bad tracers so I didn't care too much but I certainly took notice of it.

>>6483982
Except even schlock like Family guy will occasionally flex with shit like the Chicken fights. And that's just TV animation. Say what you will about DreamWorks or Illumination, but they actually pride themselves on dynamic animation. Stuff that the shitty robots can't comprehend.

>>6484010
I have no doubt there are cases like you mentioned too though I doubt these are the majority of them.

>>6484022
There's more than one artistic microculture. Plenty laugh at how petty it seems that some artists feel entitled to control how others interact with and reuse the images they share. We exist in meme culture, remix culture, an antithesis to what you stated with your post.

And people are legit using AI to fuck with ones in your specific type of artist microculture because it's funny. Like when someone made those george floyd pixel NFTs and it caused a shitstorm. NFTs are scams, but I was laughing at how people were so busted up about the actual shitty images themselves.

>>6484033
your image defeats your own narrative, how retarded are you

>>6483999
this guy seems more believable>>6484010
because that's exactly what i would do if i were to try to gain the attention of some artist

i would make a fake profile and run one of his art piece through a filter and then tell him about it.

I would get his attention and even more attention of my profile, but i am playing double agent and the artist will let me in his inner circle

>>6484033
>We exist in meme culture, remix culture
Being able to tell the difference between a retard sloppily tracing someone else's creation and calling it their own and some dude editing Walter White into Mario Kart would make for a decent sentience test.

>>6484033
>>6484040
The funny part is that normies don’t give a shit how the sausage is made. Only artists care about that shit. Picrel

I just find it funny when artists cry that AI is photobashing work or some magical Blackbox with infinite compression. As if you could compress terabytes of data into a 4-7gb package lossy or not.

>>6484040
The image clearly shows that tracing is fine, outside of the microculture the other anon proposed.
Or do I need to bring up Warhol, Richard Prince, the Akira Bike Slide? What about basically every "MSpaint traceover" meme and the fact that the original artists for each wojack style and almost every meme goes uncredited, or that Pepe the frog was originally a character in Matt Furie's Boys Club comic?

Did you consider that neither whoever the hell owns The Simpsons now or drew these specific frames >>6484046
or those of any other cartoon, anime, etc being shared on this entire website never consented to their use in such ways?

>>6484048
Both are literally the same thing. Bad art is still art and demanding that people only copy you if it's "respectful" is retarded ESPECIALLY when a major segment of art is transgressive.

Should we stop using ebola-chan if the original creator decided he had a "change of heart" and wanted them all taken down? Fuck no, it means moreso that someone would probably draw ebola-chan melting his cock if anything.

>>6484065
Yep. And plenty of artists like myself only care in a "how did you do that? Give me your secret speed tricks" ways.

>>6484065
>negative upvotes
wow
i’m convinced
it’s over artbros

>>6483973
>Go Nagai
One of my favorite mangaka.
/ic/ could benefit from paying more attention to the OGs, starting with Tezuka. These guys could definitely draw well, but it was always in service to the story, not just a flex like so much art posted here.

>>6484069
https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.08889
https://pub.towardsai.net/stable-diffusion-based-image-compresssion-6f1f0a399202
this is your brain on marketing

>>6484070
>Both are literally the same thing
Congrats you failed the sentience test.

>>6484065
As long as it's not blatant nothing will happen. Heck even if it was all u get a slap on wrist. Pic related is the manga artist Yuki Suetsugu admitting her plagiarized work. Her series was discontinued and she stop drawing for a little while then came back after 4 years and won the best shojo manga award.

Literally most of the AI "artists" that I've seen through multiple platforms all started with the same "tee-hee, I don't really consider myself an real artist and everything here is done with AI, respect real artists =)"
In a matter of a month or two all had opened fanboxes, comission requests or patreons to pay their "electricity bills". I legit don't get how in the fuck Pixiv has managed to stay in the low for so long with all the shit that is happening in normal galleries and fanboxes.
If some major outlet or artist actually gave a damn to explain that those degenerates are feeding AI with pictures of celebrities and kids to produce their crap, those degenerates would get fucked in a matter of hours.

>>6483904
These day people can give you the code of a porn an artist used as references. No wonder you think AI is some magicshit that turn you into artist. You can comprehend modernity, you can't even comprehend a toilet.

>>6484090
Congratulations, you failed the "understanding princples" test and proved you're a bugman.

>>6484088
That is not even remotely close to how image generating AI works or trains. If there was a single pixel of existing art within the parameters, weights or models of AI it would not be machine learning then.
While nural networks don't learn the same way humans do they do share a similar commonality when it comes logic.

>>6484096
lmao who are you even quoting?

>>6484081
>Tezuka
To understand manga style, you need to study Tezuka.
He wasn't an artist but a doctor. He dedicated his life to study human expression and simplified it into manga. This is the key to draw expressive manga/anime characters.
The whole "Tezuka copy Disney" fash is just Disney tried to justified stealing The Lion King. He may like Disney cartoon but Tezuka is his own league.

>>6484094
I would be more concerned with AI work that is not labeled as machine created flooding platforms.
On the topic of feeding art to AI, it's kinda a moot point becuase the databases like LAION5b that craw and scrape the web are external resources AI creators train from. Thst doesn't stop individuals or other parties from training on other existing images outside of these resources. There's also no legal precedent to stop it becuase 1. It doesn't actually copy work and 2. If it did it would fall under derivative or fair use.
Inb4 pajeet, tldr if you wanna stop AI progression go after the databases like laion.

>>6483902
>Also if you didn't save enough money for living expenses if your job gets automated and/or picked a career that was vulnerable to being automated like art, you have no one to blame but yourself. There are no handouts out UBI bullshit and no-one should be expected to support unemployed eaters who honestly need to euthanize themselves becuase of over population
Obviously a troll post but no one outside the closed developer circle knew this AI art stuff was possible before 2021. Crony capitalists will say that to doctors and construction workers when the robots take over those fields too. It's trickle down economics blame the victim rhetoric. Keep in mind that all it takes is one hacker to take control of police robots and blow up the gated communities of the rich. Not that you're rich anyway since you're a neet who never had any skills in the first place.

>>6484134
I'm military so litterally nothing in that regard applies to me.
Also crony capitalism is the way the world works and its been going on long before AI was a thing.
The same arguments artists use against AI are nearly 1:1 the same as when photography became a thing. It should be mentioned that before photography there existed a profitable skilled trade of portrait only artist that was effectively killed when Kodak invented the first consumer c
Box camera at the turn of the last century. Those jobs/trade did not comeback and its fair to lament their loss but the harsh reality is that portraits as an application virtually died outside the fine art and novels aspect.
The same will/is happening to concept artists, animators and illustrators.

>>6484177
>Animators
Anyone who makes this claim outs himself as a retarded toad.

>>6484177
>arguments artists use against AI are nearly 1:1 the same as when photography became a thing
Did photography use the works of artists ad inputs for creating cameras?

>>6484185
EX-CU-SE me. My name's nature and I'm tired of having my work stolen by """"photographers""""

>>6484177
no they aren’t, you disingenuous faggot, cameras never depended on being fed paintings to work

>>6484196
Your name is faggot and the only thing you’re tired of is having to take a cock out of your mouth to shill

>6484177
(You)

>>6484177
AI isn't replacing people, but it's closer to how everyone having a phone in their pocket made everyone a photographer.
Bad photos are still art.

>>6484185
Nobody needs an original artists' permission to make new art. Making copies is limited by copyright law, but making new art is expressly carved out.
>inb4 "uhh ACKSUALLY its THE MACHINE MAKING THE ART"
Inanimate objects have 0 agency, and are extensions of their user when questions of credit or responsibility occurs. If you use an IED to blow up a jeep you are still blowing up the jeep, even though the explosive is doing all the work for you of rending it and its occupants into tiny pieces.

>>6484209
Its okay I still get my (you)'s even if you don't properly quote me.

>>6484065
>The funny part is that normies don’t give a shit how the sausage is made. Only artists care about that shit. Picrel
no, only cunts are. that includes you, that retarded redditor, and the fags who trace

>>6483973
>It CAN be used for the supporting work - things like backgrounds, brainstorming, or a rapid basis for storyboarding
Why do you faggots keep desperately saying this? It does none of that shit competently. Even that video you posted has distractingly bad and deformed backgrounds.

>>6484286
never had an AIcuck explain to me why AI is better than using literally everything else as a reference. it's not like AI comes up with anything new, so anything can be used as reference already by searching it or by going outside

>>6484197
This is what the technerds will never directly adress.
The right to not have your work be scraped by greedy corporations is what we as artists have been fighting for all along. Since the juridicial system is so slow to catch up it seems we've already lost.
I'm just hoping that after this trial that I can upload my shit without it being collected into their laion database and used to train algorithms for massive profit. As if it's some sort of breach of human rights for me to not want to be taken advantage of. These technerds with their circular arguments manage to gaslight us into feeling we're the problem here. Their mental gymnastics knows no bounds.
Yet they're not the problem. They're more like the vultures swooping down on a rotten carcas, screeching as the coroner is trying to do his job. Oportunists.
We'll see what happens next. It's not up to a bunch of nerds to decide the fate of human artistry. At the end of the day they're just very loud and opinionated. And very persisstent in their constant bickering.

>>6484177
>I'm military so litterally nothing in that regard applies to me.
>he thinks he won't rot in the streets without legs like all the old veterans before him

>>6484305
Also I'd like to add that none of us really wants you here. You're the vocal minority and we don't consider you artists either. No matter how petty you might think it is. You're not our peers. Not our superior either. Imagine..
Comparing prompting to the amount of dedication it takes to become a good illustrator is nothing short of an insult.
You can screech and ridicule, hurl as many ad-hominems you want but at the end of the day this is the truth.

I honestly think they should get their own board so we don't need to suffer their presence any longer.

>>6484286
Because at the thumbnail level those things don't really matter. 90% of the work is done, you do a quick redline and you have a whole storyboard to pitch at the meeting, as well as having curated alternatives for each just in case. On commercial hardware, if the artist has learned how to gen things relatively quickly, it can pump out a lot of roughs to pick thru in minutes.
None of this would be in the final product, just in the planning stages.

>>6484293
You're specifically asking about "why use AI as references?", right? It's simply 1 tool among others. You can generate things that otherwise do not exist in easy reach, or which would require extra steps (photobashing, making use of more refs than needed, etc) to get done.

It's also useful for generathing thumbnails for ideas, as outlined above with the storyboarding example.

>>6484305
>>6484315
It's illegitimate for you to leverage the force of the state against people who have not caused you harm. Artists are not unified in this, I fully dissent with your opinion and have been in favor of free culture, not "permission culture" for a long while.

Piracy is not wrong. Remixing is not wrong. Copying is not wrong. None of these harm people. We have laws that restrict these, but these restrictions are increasing showing to be bad for society, but good for corporations.

>>6484335
>Because at the thumbnail level those things don't really matter
So now you're changing your argument to just thumnails? And you have yet to show AI producing any good thumbnails either.
>>6484335
>90% of the work is done, you do a quick redline and you have a whole storyboard to pitch at the meeting
You have no idea what storyboarding is, do you? By the way, AIfags constantly prove you have no idea how the art process works when you believe that fixing randomly generated images is more efficient and faster than drawing things you want from scratch.

>>6484335
>you have a whole storyboard
Yet again an AIshitter doesn't know what a storyboard is and why AI is laughably bad for such a purpose.

>>6484377
>>6484385

It literally is faster and they do good thumbnails. Thumbnails are used for getting general composition and layout, which AI art can be used for. The details literally do not matter.
Tracing a few lines over an AI generated pic to get the right lines also is faster than drawing the thing by hand. You are not "fixing it", it does not end up in the final product, it's purely for communicating to the rest of your team and keeping notes for yourself about the plans and structure of what is going to be made.

Again, nobody is fucking using it as a final piece. The AI art is not being "fixed", it's not being edited into something else. Specificity is outside its ballpart, so It's for generating and pitching ideas and concepts before things are fully decided. Then the director can have the ACTUAL CONCEPT ARTISTS (who are likely the ones generating shit too in the previous step, instead of wasting time drawing/speedpainting!) develop the desired ideas into fuller pieces of concept art, which then is used for further steps of production.

Not everything is run by some egomaniac with money or connections who only hired you to do HIS vision under strict micromanagement, plenty require collaboration and pitching in order to get things aligned and they want to only spend money on the good ideas.

>>6484264
>Nobody needs an original artists' permission to make new art
That's not what I said. I'm pointing out how the complaints about image generators are quite different from those levied against cameras. And an image generator is a program, not a work of art in and of itself. The only way it can "replace" an artist is if enough works of that artist are used as direct digital input for a new model.

>>6484401
I love the persistent straw-man of comparing humans innocently looking at images (for reference/learning/whatever) and equating that with what the AI software does. When with AI it's a very deliberate, mechanical process more comparable to something being put together in a (digital) factory. And the results are industrialized, mass produced, and soulless.

>>6484177
>same as when photography became a thing.
Didn't know about the cameras that committed widespread theft on copyrighted works. Damn, that was ahead of its time, son.

>>6484286
>It does none of that shit competently.
It really doesn't.
Real job: I needed a quick figure of a woman holding a camera, front facing. I didn't have time to fuck around with SD (it usually takes hours to get anything decent), so I just searched Lexica (AI can't be copyrighted anyway, so just steal it. Less risky than ripping other resources).
Then I get pages of this shit. Lexica is cherry-picked 'good' AI results, and still not one image that met my needs, just pages of people holding cameras in the most unnatural way possible, and some with cameras as heads, as limbs, etc.
Any working artist losing sleep over AI—just use it in an actual project. You'll see what shit it is and get that sleep back quick. Oh, and learn to draw, it's the quickest way to get what you need in an actual job situation.

>>6484427
>>6484404
all legal, and legal is better than fair ;)

https://files.catbox.moe/3hq42i.mov

>>6484435
>Any working artist losing sleep over AI—just use it in an actual project. You'll see what shit it is and get that sleep back quick. Oh, and learn to draw, it's the quickest way to get what you need in an actual job situation.
/ic/ ngmi crabs don't draw
ai is just the newest and best excuse to seethe... and not draw

>>6484427

>>6480520
AI study material style.

>>6484439
So it's ok for chefs to steal their ingredients?

>>6484444
>steal
Copying isn't stealing, the original still exists
I cant believe I have to type this, I can't believe you even wrote that, what is this 2001?

I suppose I might lie disingenuously too if I felt my entire lively-hood was going to be taken away legally and there was nothing I could do about it.
It's too bad, you are both too stupid to know how ai imagery works and too upset to realize it isn't anywhere near as good enough to replace anyone.

>>6484450
>Copying isn't stealing, the original still exists
that's piratebay logic, copyright laws and intellectual property are still and will always be a thing, try again.

>>6480520
Aren't you glad now you won't have to be sweating render-monkeys anymore?
Now anytime you want to cut anyone better than you, you can just say, "lol, that looks like ai."

>>6484454
>Copying isn't stealing, the original still exists
>that's piratebay logic
Nope, it's a literal fact.
It's also legal.
SO you are wrong on TWO counts.
Nice try.

>>6484401
A camera is a tool. An ai program is a tool.
Both produce images by the operator setting up a series of conditions and then pushing a button.
Both can produce shitty results that are easy to flood everywhere with by barely doing anything but pushing a button. See pic related.
Both can take excessive amounts of time to produce better images.
>>6484404
You're free to dislike it, I personally find most brutalism, bauhaus and IKEA design to be soulless. I find the fucking magic spoon cereal box art corporate style to be soulless. That doesn't make it not-art.
As well, a human making use of other peoples' art isn't new, putting them into a computer or otherwise. The AI program isn't special in substance, only in speed. Speed doesn't matter for ethics or law.
>>6484427
Look up "Untitled (Cowboy)" by Richard Prince
>>6484435
I don't know why you guys can't understand, despite being told multiple times, that it isn't the final output. Art directors would already tell you to just google shit to rip if it was faster and use that as long as it never actually ends up in the final product. The only people who'd use raw AI outputs are those with shoestring budgets or in products where it isn't going to be looked at up close.
Similar to those fucking STOCK PHOTOS OF PEOPLE HOLDING A SOLDERING IRON NEAR THE TIP, FUCK THOSE ARE AWFUL
>>6484454
Legally copyright infringement is infringement, not theft. Completely different categories.

>>6484461
>>6484472
>Legally copyright infringement is infringement, not theft.
The argument is weighed against the chef metaphor, cooking doesn't really involve copyright/intellectual property. Ethically a chef stealing his ingredients is the same as what those training AI models do.

>>6484485
A chef stealing his ingredients is necessarily depriving someone else of the use of those ingredients.
Training AI models on art is done by the training program simply observing the images. There is no removal of access to the images by the training's use.

Comparing them by calling it "theft" is wrong, which is why there are arguments about whether or not it's infringement. We artists do not have unlimited domain over our art - we are allowed to reuse art without permission in many many cases, but the total of those is summed up as "in order to make new art" - copyright is to prevent both copying and ripoffs of individual pieces. It is not a ward of protection against competition.

>>6484472
>Look up "Untitled (Cowboy)" by Richard Prince
I'm familiar with the piece. Regardless of its artistic, ethical, or legal status, it's not an example of what cameras were originally designed to do.
>that it isn't the final output.
Yeah, no shit. My goal wasn't even to use it as final product. Even as reference it fails.
>>6484485
>The argument is weighed against the chef metaphor
Yeah the chef metaphor in >>6484439 is telling. Of course AI defenders will frame it this way, as there's legal precedent for recipes not to be protected under existing copyright law. Of course there's incentive for AI companies (and defenders) to obscure how the tech works. If it the recipe metaphor is precise, there should be no need to use artist's names or images in the dataset, the AI should be able to develop its own damn recipes.

>>6484509
AI is not primarily used to infringe copyright any more than a VCR is or a camera is.
As a reference some things are just better to google, and with time it'll be more commonly apparent what's better to AI gen vs sketch vs photobash vs google. As opposed to only the latter 3. More tools is good.

There also isn't really a "need" to use artist names in prompts. The AI that has been on a dataset which includes their works can still produce things even without using those. Additionally, you can put in a bunch of random ass artists' names as tags together to see what it comes out with. A cursory look at the prompt in this one will tell you that there's no real resemblance to any of the named artists' works: >>6483575

>>6484394
>It literally is faster and they do good thumbnails.
If any of this shit you were saying was remotely true then you would've posted a good generated storyboard. But you faggots never do, you just talk out of your ass.

>>6484507
>training program simply observing the images
lol software doesn't "observe", that is a human quality and false equivalency/semantic trick to anthropomorphize AI.

>>6484457
It's still easy to tell what is and what isn't computer generated, dummy. Your picture obviously isn't computer generated because the fingers are individually rendered, the eyes and nostrils aren't deformed, the hair isn't blending into the skin, and the ribbons aren't blurry blobs fading into the background.

>>6484472
>Art directors would already tell you to just google shit to rip if it was faster and use that as long as it never actually ends up in the final product.
You aijeets continue to prove yourselves as liars that can only talk out of your ass. Art directors and their fellow employers have content legal teams to make sure that isn't the done. Pulling stuff from other sources can slip into the final product if you don't set the precedent. If photobashing is done then their editors only use things that they have permission to use or images that are already under their company's license (such as existing models of a game series or actors of a movie franchise).

>>6484515
>There also isn't really a "need" to use artist names in prompts.
Good, then SD, MJ etc. can nix that. Also take copyrighted artists out of the dataset. If AI is truly a 'chef' then he has a whole history of public domain art to use as ingredients.

>>6484535
No reason to, it's not unethical - to continue the analogy, why artificially limit the chef's ingredients when there's no cost or harm caused by using them?

It isn't wrong to try to imitate someone's "style", whether you used tools to do so or not.

>>6484533
No they do not, you're repeating bullshit you saw on twitter. They use whatever the fuck they can to get it done on time and within budget.

I swear you idiots are being ultra obtuse and not understanding the actual stage in production during which this is helpful. You think legal is sitting there at every step of the way being paid for that? Maybe in giga studios? Certainly not in B-tier or C-tier ones, or indies.

>>6484526
It's "observing" because it's analyzing the images and writing a tiny portion of information about the images. It is not copying the whole images into a database or otherwise keeping them around.
That's why some idiots insist it's "learning like a human", they're wrong in the detailed sense, but the meaning they have is that the AI is only keeping tiny bits of data "about the image" instead of the whole image, which is totally fine for people to do unassisted.
Heck you could likely take photos of other artworks (outside the Richard Prince type of this) using heavy camera filtering to only get scattering blocks of light and it'd still be fine to use that as a base for other art.
Which might still be more data than AI uses out of any individual image.

>>6484521
I linked the Ice Guys thing, that could 100% be used as a storyboard with some redlining. But doing one from scratch? the process would take a while to make. It's be "fast" but I'm not going to go try to generate a whole fuckin storyboard for you.

>>6484485
Pirating is legal in India and UK

>>6484436
Very glad my standards for life aren't this low.

>>6484569
>I linked the Ice Guys thing, that could 100% be used as a storyboard with some redlining. But doing one from scratch? the process would take a while to make. It's be "fast" but I'm not going to go try to generate a whole fuckin storyboard for you.
You do realize that storyboards are usually simple sketches and scribbles, not complex illustrations?

>>6484682
He doesn't because these people know nothing about the industry they claim to be taking over. Reminder, that they think AI will take over animation, when you can't even control the staging of a single image.

>>6484682
You do realize that the point of it being a simple sketch or scribble is because it's fucking fast right? And that if you can punch out some fast crappy AI images they serve the same purpose?

Like, it's a utilitarian use. There's no reason storyboards "have" to be sketches other than the fact that it's pointless to spend more time on them.

>>6484692
1. I don't think AI will take over animation because there's no fucking logical path for it to.
2. It's apparent you guys, if you do work in the industry, are the most lazy fucks who would never try to get a leg up over others by trying to speed up your process unless your boss told you to.

>>6484702
No, it's sketchy and fast because it's meant to convey how a scene should be staged in the simplest expression. It's far more convenient to sketch "dude pointing at so an so from an upward angle" than spend an hour tard wrangling a robot that doesn't know how to do anything other than "generic figure smiling blankly at the screen"

>>6484731
You don't need to spend a fucking hour if you know what you're doing, and you can get multiple options spat out for 1 thing at a time. As long as you're not at the stage where you need to be depicting specifics and are instead still idea-generating it's fast as fuck and gives you a pretty good starting point.

>>6484751
Sketching out a simple drawing in a few minutes is still more efficient than trying different prompts, waiting for generation, sorting those generations and cleaning them up. Using AI for productions only makes sense in cases where it actually speeds up a workflow. This is why studios will never hire amateur morons who only know how to use AI and can't do anything else.

>>6484755
>generate a set of say, 40 AI images in batches of 4
>filter any really shit ones, redline notes on a few
>get ideas you may not have initally thought of
>bring to meeting/submit upwards so that yours + the other artists' can get the boss's say on which to use
>redo the ones that need it if necessary or move on to more detailed stages if all clear

Fast as fuck vs having to do it by hand and lets you get to the more complex shit. Of course nobody is gonna hire a prompter with no other use, it's just worth being part of the skillset of an artist to know how to wrangle that tool in addition to the others, just like how photobashing became a required tool for concept artists - you cannot make it in a concept job if you only paint/draw.

Didn't think to add: You can be working on multiple generations at once. While one is going you don't sit on your ass, you work on the next generation in a different window and keep stacking them so you have multiple going at once.

>>6484758
That's not faster than doing it by hand though unless you're incompetent. Story boards dont need to be complex, just simple and communicate clearly.

>>6484751
>depicting specifics and are instead still idea-generating
But the specifics are the most important part to visual story telling. That's what I don't get about how much are people really willing to give creative freedom to the machine and not their own. Is the future really doomed to ai generated slop to avoid creative thoughts?
Do people seriously want the machine to do it all with no greater thought? So when it comes to planning out a scene do they not have something in mind before they start or do they go with only what the machine gives them?
It's why so much of ai art (and sometimes art) doesn't feel thought out. There is no thought to it, its just suppose to be attention grabbing and pretty. It's why those depicting specifics are so important to visual story telling.

>>6484765
>can generate 4 groups of 4 in roughly 2-4 minutes

>>6484778
That's for later stages.
You get some rough over-idea and key points,you generate a bunch of basic ideas and curate from among those to fill it out.
Then you develop those shitty blobby things into something that has "SOVL" by the usual processes.

Basically the AI is allowing people who can't come up with good ideas consistently but "knows a good one when they see it" to still put work in getting ideas out.
The alternative is working to some boss's vision, not your own. But we've seen how terrible those people can be, so it's at worst a sidegrade if not an improvement. AND it means that producers who are more interested in funding good ideas can invest in more concurrent projects. That means more people getting work in their portfolios.

>>6484785
Just means more "ideas guys" shit people have to shift through to find the good stuff. So like most social media/media/portfolios now but now there's 1000 to 10,000 times more shit.

>>6484797
No it means those "idea guys" will be really useless because studios will have something like "idea parthenogenesis" from the already-hired artists generating ideas using AI to spark joy/inspiration.

>>6484801
But that's already most major studios

>>6484751
>You don't need to spend a fucking hour if you know what you're doing
You fags love to say this instead of show it.

>>6484569
>No they do not, you're repeating bullshit you saw on twitter. They use whatever the fuck they can to get it done on time and within budget.
So I shouldn't take the word of professional artists who have worked in the industry and should instead trust some random faggots who doesn't even know what a storyboard is?

AI art is just modern elephant paintings, it's not very good, it has no idea what it's doing just mildly interesting because of where it came from

>AI poster saying that an artist doing storyboards manually is less efficient than someone sifting through random generated images
>AI poster keeps using the phrase "redlining" inappropriately
This guy is either a deluded retard or an actual shill bot.

>>6484830
You don't have to take my word for it. A casual amount of research would tell you that pro art isn't some magical creative place where the "honor codes" of the terminally online have any power. Here is a professional art director telling you how and why concept art is utilitarian, and made up of 1/4 what you faggots would call "cheating," back in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbYvImd7Bw

>>6484835
It is less efficient, especially if you're only throwing out the absolutely bad ones and putting RED LINE MARKS on the few that need it rapidly. You are not the director, you are just a filter to curate out the worst shit. Your boss is who decides on what is actually getting approved. It's like this in any professional environment.
You start from VERY rough ideas, and then refine them through the production process. Again I point out that most places are NOT just effectively a giant commission where everyone is working working to the dream of some "visionary."

https://youtu.be/gv9cdTh8cUo

>>6483416
Would do nothing. People would still send shit troughout the internet and AIjeets could just take photos of it. You could never prevent this unless you somehow waited another 5 years for it to start actually ruining the world, bring back evidence and convince all world governments to ban all AI research and also regulate bigtech to oblivion so that it never even appears. World governments would immediately agree with you if you showed them how fucked the internet will make politics, how easy will it be for people under totalitarian regimes to get free info, and finally show them how many scams, economic crashes and collapses will Sillicon Valley, one fucking city cause because of armies of onions investors giving their live saving to companies with the worst economic model in human history (don’t make profit, don’t pay taxes, take insane investments from retards and use it for nothing but growth to become monopoly, and once you become monopoly in one sector, invest into growth in other sectors). This is the only way, telling people not to upload on the internet will just make the AI researcher jobs a bit more tedious to gather all the data, while at the same time preventing artists of the world from reaching audiences of millions. And if artists won’t upload it on the internet, then other people will without artists consent. Piracy will always find a way. With time machine the only way to prevent this horseshit would be to kill bigtech before it becomes stronger then world governments.

>>6484831
That was 6 months ago when the only public models made blurry mess. Now it has high quality and people avoid it on porpoise. Most people online will get disinterested by a picture when you say it’s AI made, so it promotes liars and grifters to pop up. Elephant paintings are the exact opposite and more comparable to humans then current AI models.

>>6484091
>the one mangaka who is a BLM supporting that is a plagiarist
insincerity runs in their blood it seems