/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Kupo doll as today's warmup

Cocytus

I might have screwed up the face

This is what one year of /beg/ does to a mf

>>6474432
another one :3
experimenting with values, trying to get them under control

>>6474460
God what a qt.
It's not just the face the proportions are slightly off everywhere you probably notice the face more because it's psychologically more important.
Not bad for a copy, but do you know the anatomy for figure drawing?
It gets easier when you know what you're copying and how it all relates to each other.
It's a chore but it's worth it.
>>6474477
Damn, good job!
A little long to be working on one portrait but you do you.

>>6474477
Great progress, you are on the threshold of /int/

>>6474432
>>6474484
Wtf I thought these were screenshots from a book.
Cute.

>>6474508
Damn, what a compliment
thanks a lot

Beefheart Anon here.
I'm trying to think of a way to draw a certain being. I think I should sort of recreate it with a Beksinski/Giger-esque artstyle. It's sort of like if Lovecraft thought of a monstrous freight train straight from hell.

I think in the past centuries of America, maybe even in the era of the mythical Wild West, it could appear at the train station, at the platform, opening the doors to its innards , giving the passengers a chance to enter.
A kind of beast that has adapted to the creations and actions of man, choosing to move through now popular railroad tracks of a then younger America, merging together with the now binded clueless passengers, never to be found again.

"A chain with yellow lights
That glistens like oil beads
On its slick smooth trunk
That trails behind on tracks, and thumps
A wing hangs limp and retrieves

Bulbs shoot from its snoot
And vanish into darkness
It whistles like a root snatched from dry earth
Sodbustin’ rakes with grey dust claws
Announces its coming into morning
This train with grey tubes
That houses people’s very thoughts and belongings.

Bat chain puller
Puller, puller

This train with grey tubes that houses people’s thoughts,
Their very remains and belongings.
A grey cloth patch
Caught with four threads
In the hollow wind of its stacks
Ripples felt fades and grey sparks clacks,
Lunge into cushioned thickets.
Pumpkins span the hills
With orange crayola patches.
Green inflated trees
Balloon up into marshmallow soot
That walks away in faulty circles,
Caught in grey blisters
With twinkling lights and green sashes
Drawn by rubber dolphins with gold yawning mouths
That blister and break in agony
In zones of rust
They guild gold sawdust into dust."

Drew something. My drawing skills could be worse from day to day.

>>6474484
Yo thats sick, wtf
How long you been drawing?

>>6474428
Last thread was ending, so here's the drawing again.

What's your most brutal and honest opinion, /ic/?

>>6474432
>>6474484
Very nice and cute.

Drew something. My drawing skills could be worse from day to day.

>>6474592
It looks like the arm is coming from the chest, it should come from the side in a POV, try to do the pose yourself and check out how unnatural it is. Also the girl seems to be looking at you dead on, so it makes no sense for her chin to hide a part of the finger.

>>6474604
Damn you're right, I'll adjust the hand.
>it makes no sense for her chin to hide a part of the finger.
Not even a little bit of the finger?

Thanks for your critique!!

>>6474618
>Not even a little bit of the finger?
Not him but yes it does [art of the finger will be under her chin

this might sound retarded but how are you supposed to hold a graphics tablet pencil? My middle finger always seems to get in the way at some point

>>6474642
Okay, thank you!

>>6474590
>>6474599
ty frens
>How long you been drawing?
been drawing on and off since 2019
this year im going to try and draw each day and learn watercolor

>>6474432
>gay little final fartery creature
>looks fine
>>6474670
>posts portrait
>looks wonky
I suffer from the same disease

>>6474688
>wonky
Nta, how is it "wonky"? It looks fine to me, just want to know your opinion

>>6474711
I'm too dumb to explain it but here's the thing he copied
just open both in a tab

>>6474688
>final fartery creature
lmao
anyways, that portrait is 2 years old, and i didn't finish it. Spent hours on it lol
I should start practicing portraits again, but yeah, they're hard and takes a lot of time (at least for me)

>>6474720
yeah don't sweat it mate just keep at it
maybe try redoing the portrait it'll probably look way better

>>6474718
Yeah, SOMETHING is off. The nose looks kinda pushed towards the inside of the skull

>>6474722
yessir

how do i keep the life in my sketch once i paint and do all of that?

everything always ends up so stiff once i finish it.

>>6474733
Sketches look better because:
1) you chicken scratch/draw multiple lines and your brain imagines a better drawing than what you've actually drawn
2) you draw big confident strokes when you sketch but small slow-moving cautious strokes when you ink
With digital ink lines I try to adjust the stabiliser.
When it comes to painting keep in mind you're not just working with line anymore, you can't just suggest the form and shape, you have to be more specific, so if the form and shape and lighting isn't exciting colour can kinda ruin the picture.

been playing legacy of kain.
I don't get why /int/ and us were merged considering there's such a big skill gap between the two, but rules is rules.

Designing a bunch of characters, still need to color them.

>>6474781
Thank you for the response! Yeah, I think #2 is my issue. I am more confident and comfortable sketching, I choke up and redo lines a million times and go slower than I know I should when I am inking and painting. Do you adjust the stabilization up or down when inking digitally?

>>6474787
>I don't get why /int/ and us were merged considering there's such a big skill gap between the two, but rules is rules.
don't be discouraged, fren. Drawing isn't a competition, nor a race.
both begs and ints benefit greatly from feedback/critique, and should help each other

>>6474824
ye, I'm not having a go, I just don't understand how /beg/s are meant to give /int/'s feedback is all but then I suppose intermediates and higher were already prowling the beg threads being the ones to give advice anyway.

Anyone managed to draw still life from a pc tablet? I just tried putting one on the side of my desk and completely fucked the perspective by not turning the same amount every time I looked at it.

>>6474497
I was just too lazy to follow the steps

>>6474141
>cute anime faces
Yeah, it's just good reference. Amagami-san Chi no Enmusubi and Musume no Tomodachi. As I said, I'm copying and applying a bit of construction in the process.

>>6474954
Now that I'm taking a far away look I'm realizing my fuck ups
I'm gonna do some gestures for a while and they better fucking work

didn't draw the ball because I just wanted to practice anatomy and posing with this one really

I don't want to transition out of trad art because learning how to use adobe or whatever will take up copious amounts of time that could be spent practicing

>>6475085
i always feel the same but i just tell myself i'm learning another medium, like you would if you were picking up paints for the first time

>>6474432
>>6474484
I’m such a noob but your values are really nice. You clearly wanted the second to pop more, but they’re both super clean

too sleepy
I cant

>>6475120
Working when you're tired is counterproductive especially when you're learning, go to sleep.

>>6475085
>Adobe Photoshop
Just download AutoDesk SketchBook or MyPaint, you can learn how to use them in less than 5 minutes.

>>6475085
Learing the basics you need on those programs is babyshit. The first lesson on Ctrl+Paint is plenty to get you started and getting used to it.

>>6474962
the feet placement in space, wheres the surface?

nice model and work anon

>>6475118
Thanks for the kind words! And you are correct.
As I get more comfortable with the values I'm using (2H, HB & B), I'm going to start practicing with even darker values for greater contrast. I'm also a big fan of dark backgrounds so I wanna experiement with that further down the line.

beg studies

greyscale

what do i need to do to improve

>>6475234
If the top left is a finished drawing then your hair detail, line consistency and shading is horrendous

>>6475208
Good effort on the shapes

>>6475241
i dont know how to finish

>>6475244
Draw rest of background, like sky clouds and whatever, remove the unnecessary lines (the doubled ones or ones that are going too far), add some extra detail/shading in hair and body, some highlights, and you should be good to go

>>6475234
hips

>>6475234
Proportions. Some of ur head seems a tad bit small

WiP Portrait.
I'm taking a break from it because of eye strain if there's any glaring flaw please point them out.

Finished this lil creature even though I really fucked up the line art. Just so tired tonight that I could only color

>>6475266
sovl

>tfw have to go back to the wage cage tomorrow
Don't get me wrong, I love my job but I love drawing more.
I've been drawing all day long today, but when I come home from work I feel so exhausted so I only draw for like one hour or so.
Living off my drawings is still a far fetched dream

>>6475234
You got good forms, mind some of your proportions (top right girl has a super long arm), maybe do some anatomy studies so you can add detail, work on your lighting, shading, and finishing illustrations.

>>6475234
make the poses more dynamic, some have a good line of action already that flows throughout the figure, but others are a bit stiff

as for running poses, you can do a lot more regarding how you display momentum and gesture, using the same types of lines of action, twisting the torso, leaning the head and torso forward more etc

>>6475266
go work on ur book Dr.Seuss

>>6475251
>>6475257
>>6475263
>>6475276
>>6475277
thanks, it just sounds like fix everything
which is true

>>6475194
This is a very good point, I need to remember to not leave my figures just floating in space. Thank you!

>>6475284
>sounds like fix everything
that's drawing, never is perfect, and you'll die never having reached a point you're truly happy with

>>6475284
Basically use AI

>>6475265
chin shading is a little off but looks good otherwise

>>6475282
Im not american so Im not familiar. But I do be going for a (childrens) book style illustration so Ill take it as a compliment

>>6474592
This is looking a lot better, keep up the good work. I feel like you can experiment more with line weight.

>>6475286
for people who are good, the gap is shorter

>>6475305
>experiment more with line weight
So basically use thicker lines where the light doesn't touch?
Or what do you mean by that?

>>6475388
the closer the object is to the viewer the thicker the lines
where there are shadows the lines are thicker
things you want to pop up have thicker lines
etc.

>>6475404
Okay understandable, thanks!

>>6475265
I can probably polish this further but i don't think i'll learn anything substantial in the process.
I'll just call it done for now and move on.

Close enough, I guess.

>>6475424
You could take the opportunity to practice tightening your brush work up a little.

any tips on digital painting? i can't seem to find a good workflow to color/shade my drawings while everybody else seems to have it figured out already

>>6475559
Just noodle around in it for 3 hours.

How would you adjust the proportions on this to make her legs not as long? Could you just take half a head away from her legs and leave it at that? To me it seems like if you did that everything else would be off.

>>6475630
Would be easier just to try. I made the selection cut just under the belt plus I included the shadow.

what's a good place to find poses for life drawing

I'm wondering if this happens to anyone else. You'll make a drawing that is "good" or complete, and then you're just unable to draw again for a certain amouunt of time. I don't even know what it is, maybe the self-imposed pressure of creating something final again? I just haven't been able to draw, but I want to, but I'm just like, unable to focus on drawing

>>6475706
I meant figure drawing

>>6475737
posespace or the nma pictures

>>6475709
fear of regression, just have to grind it out without worrying if a piece is bad or not

>>6475424
I honestly really like this type of messy/abstract painting brushwork thingamajig I don't know what to call it but it's interesting, nice portrait anon, post it on twitter and all the mads mikkelsen fangirls will flock to give you likes and retweets

>>6474603
holy shit good taste anon.

Another work in progress, I tried actually doing lineart for once (albeit bad, yes, I know).

>>6475709
I get it too, it's like a cooldown just give your brain and hand time to rest for a bit. Also I find drawing after you haven't in a while to be better and more "fresh"

>>6475682
shading doesn't make sense to me, could be also a property of the fabric.

The mask doesn't look good either, is it in front of the eyelids? usually masks rest on the forehead.

There is effort but i don't like it

>>6475709
I delete or destroy most of the things I do to avoid this.

>>6475709
it's because you got your self-satisfaction fix from completing the drawing, which has robbed you of your motivation
it's why everyone talking about "the importance of motivation" is a fucking moron and why discipline and rigorously maintained routines are the only way to draw consistently, or do literally anything else consistently; you may need to establish easier routines first(like fucking brushing your teeth or showering when you wake up and go to bed or cleaning your room) before you're able to apply it to an activity, it's a hard thing to do

I feel as though I have an adequate grasp of form and perspective when I copy a reference, but for some reason when I try to break things down into simpler shapes I struggle a lot more. As if the process of deconstruction into simpler shapes is too much to handle while also thinking about form and perspective. My guess is that using more abstract shapes helps mask my lack of perspective knowledge, which then manifests whenever I try to do pure perspective shapes. It's something I'm going to keep practicing anyway, but I'm curious if anyone else has similar experience.

so i just got myself an intuos and CSP and i just came to the realization that i have no clue how the fuck to even begin painting or doing anything other than drawing solid lines digitally
how the fuck do i even begin? hard round bucket fill yes i died laughing in real life but i'd appreciate the tiniest amount of direction, any good in-depth software tutorials or really anything at all to get me started

>>6474428
I posted at the end of last thread, too late so here I go again. If you can rate me in low,med high beg, intermediate ecc and tell me what is wrong with it

>>6474718 only the mouth / nose look flat try angling the philtrum a bit to his left
More thorwards the base and not the tip of da nose, and or moving the nose tip to the left. My best guess. Otherwise great work

>>6475802
if you practice copying references, you get better at copying references
unless your references are simple geometric shapes, you're not going to improve at drawing simple geometric shapes, the word "simple" here is misleading, nothing is simple, you have to learn how to draw a thing before you can turn a different thing into said thing
you know what a cone or prism looks like in the same way you know what a leg or a face looks like, that is to say: you don't really, your brain just tells you that you do and then leaves you on read when you ask for proof
it's why i keep saying that construction is bad for real beginners with the way people here market it as a solution to incompetence rather than a technique like any other

>>6475709
do studies or something completely different from your finished piece
this happens to me a lot and I take it as a sign to practice something else for time while my brain recharges

>>6474428
Posted at the end of last thread so got no criticism . Pls rate
>high,low med beg or intermediate.
So i can track my progress
>>6475546 neck is not there on yours, shoulders a bit wide, . Try and do your own work so one can judge jour knowlige rather then copying, doesnt have to be a uber complex pose if you do not think you can
>>6474718 only the mouth / nose look flat try angling the philtrum a bit to his left
More thorwards the base and not the tip of da nose, and or moving the nose tip to the left. My best guess. Otherwise great work

>>6475802
what was your process for learning form/perspective? Having a tough time with that stuff myself

>>6475817
I don't know but upper and lower legs feels disjointed those knees look a little elongated, your elbows look better.

>>6475546
use better landmarks, improve your accuracy when copying. booba

>>6475804
>>6475804
you can draw digitally solid blobs instead. .It's unknown what you can do and what you trying to achive so it's hard say how to do it.I think you do not need indepth software knowlege Maybe.watch some videos with painting process or whatewer you trying to do

>>6474428
Bros, I just want to draw cartoons. Do I need to delve into learning everything technical first or can I pick up loomis(fun with a pencil) or the like with relative success?

>>6475849
You can pick loomis and draw cartoons and call it sucsees or/and continue to learn more technicals you intrested in

>>6475849
Hell yeah brother, that's what FWAP is all about. Although that depends on what you think of as "relative success" lol.

>>6475266
looks really cool, is it dip pen and watercolor?

Experimenting and further iterating

>>6475824
It's just something I've gradually become accustomed to over years of drawing. Started out just drawing things that interested me, and because it looked like crap I looked up any references that could tell me about what I struggled with, and over time just accumulated a feel for it. I'm still a far way away from where I'd like to be, but I've only started drawing daily very recently. Previously it was only a few days a month or so. I'd reccommend something like what you see in the bottom page on my photo where I iterate the same image a few times, focusing in on a certain portion and in an attempt to get it right, then once you've done that you might try to go a step further and draw the same thing from a different angle, but that's pretty advanced.

>>6474800
Over time I got used to my tablet, and I settled into a sweet spot where I don't adjust as much it anymore. But basically, if you're drawing a big, slow line, turn up stabilisation so that your jittery hands don't affect the smoothness of the line. Turn down stabilisation for light, quick strokes.
It's really a matter of confidence in the end, doing a lot of ink drawings (trad) with no undo can help you get over the "I did it wrong, undo" feeling

Thoughlts

Hello beg, today it was slow and painful.

>>6474160
Because unlike in any other craft or skill there is no consensus on literally anything. For every dude claiming loomis is the best you will find one who swears drawing boxes is the way to go. There are even people saying copying is waste of time. Sure i could just blindly trust the first beg book and then think thats all there is to it and jump to int books but i want to make my own opinion. And honestly the books dont repeat much themselves, so far each brings new revelations. Its fun to go through them.
>>6475849
loomis books are for INTs. You need to master observation, solid spatial awareness and perspective
>>6475817
it is showing good stuff. Hands are awkward. Keep drawing and rotate your pictures correctly lol
>>6475804
just pick pencil brush and draw anon. Experiment with new brush every day and in a few weeks you will have all the tools you need
>>6475709
my cooldown is like 5 minutes, this beg book i am in even recommends to take break after every single finished piece
>>6475559
gotta experiment anon. some people have 999 layers, some have 2, some use lasso tool, some use layer masks, some just adjust size of the brush on the go. Some make monochrome and then add colors, some use color from the start
>>6475424
eyes arent in middle of the skull
>>6475266
SOUL
>>6474962
good one
>>6474857
1. you forgot to PYW, 2. you solve these problems by making sketch first where you ensure all proportions and perspective are good to go before you start rendering
>>6474592
the hand is still stiff and bad. other than that i rate it thumbs up!
>>6474449
i am not fan of chroma filter but i like it a lot
>>6475900
>dragon standing on top of big flower
Its very cool one, its like a pro made a sketch. Now the hard part is awaiting you: to render it in ink lineart or better.

working on this study

>>6475942
what's the secret to hands, bro

>>6475907
Regarding Loomis being INT and my aspirations for drawing cartoons; should I finish a good BEG book or two? I try to practice a few hours a week and working towards a daily practice. Would you recommend keys and drawing on the right side for somebody in my position? I’m more of a story guy as opposed to a visual artist which is why I’m leaning towards cartoons/comics.

>>6475943
I don't know. I'm still not good at them.

>>6475943
He sure doesn't know it.

>>6475907
you need to a 1000% more careful with being accurate. Look at that block. You should be able to draw a cube by now. Why is everything so wobbly? Care about the output quality more.

>>6475559
OP here, here's my attempt at "painting", had some friends describe a yugioh card to me and i sketched it and decided to detail it

thoughts?

>>6474428
I'd post about others art but I'm ultra beg so I'd have no advice to give

I like these ones
>>6474962
>>6475120
>>6475265
>>6475900

How do I draw a dragon looking up?

>>6476048
please accept me as your student.

>>6475858
Yes, thanks anon

How the FUCK are squares so much harder to draw than circles and triangles???

why does this look so bad? Watercolor is hard

>>6474428
Hey so im trying to get better at rendering. I was doing the planes as I see them. When I was using the mixing brush, it brought out blue in this greyscale. There's no color selected. The program is Afinity photo. Please help. Thank you in advance!

I think I'm going to call it quits here. I tried to fix the colour, but I can't do it without redoing the whole thing. Thanks to the anons that replied in the last thread.

Is it fine if I skip my Keys to Drawing book and proceed to Gesture Drawing now? I honestly couldn't keep up the other chapters from 4 onwards...

>>6476073
don't beat yourself up too hard. Focus on proportions and basic forms for now

>>6476073
the paint is really not the issue here, it's by far the best part of the image you just posted

>>6475945
you're going to keep working towards daily practice until you go into the pine box

Morder

>>6475946
That’s because you keep making studies but never apply them trap lmao.

>>6476073
Use more water, let the paint flow. Use watercolor paper so it doesnt disintegrate when you add more water. Spend more time on sketch and linework. You started hatching on the neck but what about everywhere else. Make sure proportions and volumes look good before inking.

Looking forwards to seeing your next one anon, keep it up!

pic rel was the sketch, it didn't look that bad then

>>6476073
>>6476102
Thanks anons, I realized the jaw is really messed up.

>>6476121
I'll try this next time desu, also I'm using mixed media paper but I guess it doesn't hold up to watercolor

>>6476073

>>6476139
Keys to drawing

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY CAN'T I DRAW
I passed 250 boxes and I still can't get a box in perspective, I can't control my lines, I can't feel the form. I can't even draw for fun anymore so I'm always breaking the 50/50 rule. I'm in a week long slump and it's killing me, I just want to draw but the lines don't come out, and I don't know where to turn now. Please help.

>>6476139
100% cotton watercolor paper is not optional sadly. But its also better for mixed media than your "mixed media" paper. Maybe with the exception of markers, not sure if they bleed on cotton

>>6476152
I’ve drawn thousands of boxes. 250 is beginner tier

>>6476152
Draw for enjoyment
Don't turn it into a chore
Balance practice with fun

>>6475849
Famous Artists Cartoon Course is pretty good

>>6476168
I'm not going to stop drawing boxes, but I thought after 250 I would be able to get the perspective right on some of them. Is it too early for that, am I being too harsh on myself?
>>6476173
I try.

hey bros
Just starting out, like, a few days into it.
I need some type of structure/schedule, figuring things out for myself is impossible. I have this ideal goal that is obviously so far out (drawing anime shit like im sure 90% of the people here want to do).
Anyone have any tips or helpful stuff for that?

Anyway here is me me doing one of the exercises in one of the stickies

>>6476224
by tips i mean like, for structure or building a schedule/routine.

>>6476224
Do this:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

Where can I find reference of people laying down towards/away from me? I want to practice entire body foreshortening but all the reference I can find is side view

Think im going to dedicate this week to studying the head/face

I'm not used to drawing robots but I gave it a shot anyway

pp

Drew some random jackoffs in my local paper while I was bored at work before just doodling. Honestly it seems my problem right now is that I understand certain theory, but get bored when just do caricature work or random messes. I would draw at home when I got more time/breathing room to really slow things down, but at the same time at work is when I get the most motivation, damn.
Any immediate problems that permeate through out all the pictures?

>>6476152
Literally turn your brain off and doodle or read/watch comics, manga, cartoons, anime etc. that got you on this journey in the first place for a couple of days.
Sometimes just having a refresh on what your goals are can refocus you and get you to think critically, not self damnation.

>>6476084
Your values are non existing.

>>6476274
not sure if troll or not

I'm having so much trouble seeing the twist in this torso, I tried to break it down into boxes but it's still eluding me, can anyone offer any insight? Ref in the next post

>>6476296
https://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/aJ56v/casual-poses-reference-pictures
>ref

>>6476296
we see her back so I assume chest box must be not like that

>>6476274
are you the truck guy?

>>6476300
Nah, I don't post much, lurk a lot more.
I did this back in June last year.

>>6476280
>literally go out of your way to train yourself to associate the thing you want to learn with not paying attention to things
no, about you don't do that, how about never, under any circumstance do that, literally not drawing at all is better for you as an artist than that

>>6476298
like this?

>>6476298
That was my thought too but we also see both her breasts, which threw me off.

>>6476303
question: why arent you learning your fundies?
cant you see that youre symbol drawing?

>>6476306
maybe think of her chest as two boxes. The bottom half you see the line of her back and the top box just a sliver of her front.

>>6476315
I guess my question is what the fuck does her ribcage look like, and then inscribe a box around it

>>6476296
>>6476298
>>6476305
>>6476306
>>6476315
>>6476316
Dont overcomplicate. Its a twisted box

>>6476316
just what i was thinking, no personal idea how to fit the ribcage

>>6476325
boxes do not twist.

>>6476237
Solid job, I like it

>>6476327
so don't, look for other obvious landmarks, you don't need to construct every possible shape and muscle, you're supposed to use the ones that help you reach your goal

>>6475918
Good stuff so far, check some of your values though, for example the stone pillars are much warmer in the original.

>>6476329
Pick up a rectangular sponge and twist it or do those not exist in your realm mr.nurgle worshiper

smol study
probably should work on a larger scale and spend more time, but meh

>>6476325
Yeah I'm just trying to visualize her ribcage in 3D space and having trouble with it. I guess that should have been my question, sorry.

>>6476346
biggest fear people have when starting off is filling a page; stop being a pussy anon, draw bigger and give yourself more space, you'll imprive

>>6476306
You almost made me doubt, but no, tits is not landmark fuck tits, we back of ribcage and corner of ribcage

>>6476303
ok, go copy some golden era early 2000s CN genndy tartakovsky/craig mccracken characters or anything similiar to that in complexity and do it such that you get them almost perfectly right, good enough to be absolutely, unmistakably on-model proportionally; don't shit it all out on the paper in a matter of seconds and then scribble over it, take the time it needs to be correct, copy the lines, carefully, patiently analyze their sizes, angles and trajectories, no construction; once you get a couple of them right and realize how hard even that is, you'll understand why copying photos of real people at your skill level is a fool's errand
stop doing the loomis method and other techniques that you clearly can't even follow or even draw correctly in and of themselves, you should already be aware of a voice in the back of your head telling you that you can't do it, you can't use it and that it isn't helping you, but i'll go ahead reaffirm that for you: you can't do it, you can't use it, and until you change that, it will only hinder you; it's basically a pre-sketch religious ritual at this point
then go do draw a box to improve your lines and geometry, completely forget all the bullshit about any theory you think you've understood, you haven't understood any of it and that's not entirely your fault, the sticky is full of shit advice that shitters regurgitate in order to fit in

What do I need to improve?

>>6476372
You're symbol drawing, so read the sticky and start from the top.

>>6476372

Right off the bat- hands too small

HIS left arm is wonky

Recomendation Try drawing naked ppl first, No need to ad a peenus weenus or a cunny .just a nondescript groin or just use a skintight suit excuse

ear too smoll,

head too large but can be chalked up to a cartoony look,
right pec looks ok-ish (except the nipple) ,

HIS neck is a combination of trapezoids and the neck , try seperating the two visually somehow ,
abdominal curve looks ok ish

Either the nose is too high or the mouth is too low

right fist looks blocky but has depth

, left one looks terrible

right forearm needs some work / looks too short

there is no elbow skin fold which is seen when the arm is bent

Neck is too right leaning (prolly a resoult of combining traps and neck

groin needs some work (look at obliqe muscles and where the leg muscles "crawl "underneath them (obliqes are sometimes called a dickroot because there is a tendon that points to your dick and is vissible in muscular buit low fat people .

Your feet game will be on point as soon as the toes get better - proko might have a utube vid on it,

beg for sure but a spirited one, dont get comfy with your stile , you will make strides in the beggining , especially if you follow a guide or have a teacher

Try and look at proportions- you can use head or cranial units (probably more measurements out there) , get the basic human template and wortk from there

currently the gloves and pants cover up defficiencies,

>>6476372
construction

>>6476244
This looks really good

where did the 8 hours went, i feel like i didnt do much today

>>6476429
imagine the blowjobs

>>6476440
he sucks like a Dyson

Only two years later i realized that drawing without zoom is much easier...

>>6476552
>spent 2 years on this
ngmi

>>6476568
It's fine. It took me 19 years of my life to start drawing.

>>6475860
Continue! Ideal composition.

>>6475918
Nice edges and drawing so far! I know it feels like a ridiculous juggling act but you're learning things. Consider focusing on small sections of paintings like this but going more deeply. Like...focus on just a hand or her face but make it 100% accurate. Yeah you could get there with this thing but it'd take ages. The key thing to learn is found in very small areas, potentially.

>>6476601
>The key thing to learn is found in very small areas, potentially.
THIS THIS THIS
It cannot be stressed enough. Accumulating small victories over time is the goddamn key to gitting gud at anything

I am getting faster at doing this sort of thing and the art is starting to get less chicken-scratchy as well, but small ass heads aside I noticed I need to practice drawing dudes more.

>>6476601
Thank you for the suggestion! I will keep what you said in mind while I continue working, focusing on smaller areas sounds like a really good idea.

>>6476568
I'm hardcore player uWu.

>>6474428
Any critiques on this? Should I just give up? Be honest.

spending the rest of my day on doodling and just relaxing

>>6476718
Everything is well-shaped, but flat. Copying Bridgman could be a good solution for you, or maybe Morpho.

>tell myself I should draw today
>don't draw
Funny how this drawing thing works.

>>6476733
Your goal today: draw for 2 minutes, and no more.
Get to it

>>6475817
>neck is not there on yours, shoulders a bit wide, . Try and do your own work so one can judge jour knowlige rather then copying, doesnt have to be a uber complex pose if you do not think you can
>>6475837
>use better landmarks, improve your accuracy when copying. booba

Thanks you two!

MY WRIST

Some dead trees on grey paper, drawn on the train today

practicing muh animu

And a quick 15 min copy of some drawing I saw on instagram

>>6476815
The perspective is not obvious.

>>6476073
>>6476155
>>6476121
I used watercolor paper this time but I feel like I overdid the hatchings this time

>>6476867
reference

>>6476867
Dislike the hatching in random directions.

>>6475085
All the knowledge accumulates anon, learning a new media will only broad your overall skills, nothing wrong with that, as long as you keep doing shit dont be afraid to try stuff

>>6476867
Compare it to your last piece anon you did well. You could hang that skull. Now do it again, hatch with more purpose, use more water and leave some parts very light or even completely white

>>6476833
Yeah I think the road should have tapered off way more

>>6476741
Remember to take breaks and let your body rest.

>>6476926
Or turn it into a hill.

>>6476113
You wouldn’t even be able to wipe your ass if you were half as busy as I am basement neet. I’m going to DAD just to spite you.

>got caught for stealth jerking it to the hot model again and got kicked out of the studio

>>6476957
Love it anon

>>6474789
God I fucking hate coloring so much

>>6477050
they kinda remind me of mass effect, i like it

>>6477054
Thanks m8

Are there recommended exercises for absolute basic line and shape control?
Not even stuff like cubes but just fundamental "I can't draw an arc or parralel lines" problems.
The op mentions just drawing shapes but it feels a bit directionless when I do that, I'm not sure if anything is actually getting trained or if I'm just repeating bad shapes over and over.

Should I be doing fanart with references? I tried doing it from imagination and it turned out bad

>>6477075
Draw straight lines and circles.
Just that.
I often do them as a warm up on some graph paper, but doing it freehand is good too.

>>6474428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzWq2u1MGY4

>>6477080
try

>>6477075
Practice line and shape control by just drawing.

Considering the help here was pretty helpful (that and the guide in the sticky being helpful), I yet wish to share some of the artworks I did before the end of 2022 as some kind of "survey of my art skill" (for a lack of better words). And while I decided to focus more on drawing large scenes, I also want to know of showing WIPs of said artworks is ok to do.

Appart from that, here's a portrait of mine of an alternate history version of general Voroshilov from the HOI4 TNO mod

(reference used : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-new-order-the-last-days-of-europe/images/f/f8/MarshalVoroshilov.png/revision/latest?cb=20210212081832 )

(also pardon for the quality as the original file was bigger than 4 MB

tfw line art takes 10 times as long as the sketch and doesn't even look better

>>6474428
/ic/, what do you think?

>>6477152
Not good.

>>6477160
I know.

>>6477152
I'd coom in her ngl no cap fr fr

>>6477152
its beginner stuff so just keep at it, but the main compliment I'm gonna give you now is that she came out nicely proportioned

Here's a Rías Gremory attempt. I like the eyes but i feel the mouth it's a little off. What do you think?

>>6477169
Thanks? :)

>>6477173
Alright, at least I got that going, somehow. Thanks!

>>6477148
it's quite aight but fix the hecking legs bruh!!! too long and too far back too curved

Im liking this bitch desu

>>6477050
Weird, your posing and design isn't bad but your heads and faces are absolute dogshit

>>6477148
please for the love of god use a reference what the fuck

>>6477187
I like it though :( >>6474454

>>6477211
ahhhhh I knew the pose was familiar

>>6477204
They are intentionally warped because the characters are supposed to be mutated, genetically degenerated far future offshoots of humans. I am trying to make them look off, weird, and ugly and my biggest concern with them is if they look too healthy and normal.

>>6477152
The legs are a bit too straight, look at how Frank Frazetta draws women, I think that would help you, nice work otherwise!

>>6477219
Yeah he makes some booty-licious women! Thank you Anon :)

>>6477148
Those are horse legs bro.

>>6477231
Yeah I thought those legs looked funny...

>ask art teacher how to hold my pencil
>she looks at me like I'm diseased and tells me it doesn't matter

>years later, watch Vilppu-sama's first video
>"this is how to hold your pencil"

hard times

Whats that shadow advice: the darks shouldnt be too different? Or shouldnt be too dark from the lights?

>>6477303
Around blacks never relax

>>6477306
Never goes soft (on the pencil)?

>>6477280
ur art teacher probably never envision u as an artist and she told u to finish ur drawing so she can go home and feed her cats.

>>6477311
Maybe you're thinking of "your lightest darks should be darker than your darkest lights"

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Salutation begs, half the book is done. So far its like weaker version of keys to drawing but i can see the merit in pretty detailed instructions on how to render using various mediums.

>>6477329
that is very good. The gritty feeling i like it
>>6477280
the answer is to hold the pencil in a way your wrist doesnt explode. Everybody has different style of drawing and doing the strokes and the grip should reflect that or you will end up like >>6476741
>>6477195
thumbs up. interesting take on the drapery
>>6477138
too many areas with nothing but flat color. It makes the picture overall very flat. You need to either start using some more refined shadows or squeeze on the empty surfaces some contour lines to imply the form
>>6477094
i kneel
>>6477080
always use references until you outgrow them and become pro. And remember even pros make better outputs if they have reference available
>>6477075
you could always go and grind boxes (drawabox) or ovals (villpu), but you will naturally get better just by... drawing. With each kilometre of line your will get a bit better at it
>>6477050
will this be a game or? It looks you put a lot of though into this
>>6476883
straight from LGBT propaganda. he cute
>>6476733
try to make it daily habit. Thats the only way to GMI. Like brushing teeth
>>6476725
your doodles have better line quality than my studies. Is this is power level of INTs?
>>6476718
a bit basic but nothing bad. I suggest you to do master studies: find some god pro artist who draw anime you like and try to copy their shit 1:1 down to the strokes of the brush
>>6476429
good study
>>6476224
pick a beg book/course and finish it. Simple really :-)
>>6476096
>he wants to skip FUNDIES
NGMI
>>6475945
Observation is the most most important fundie and all int books presume you already mastered that + perspective. Keys to drawing is great. Drawing on right side of the brain is okay but nowhere near the powerlevel of KtD. It has less knowledge and less exercises.
>>6475959
sorry:-(

>With each kilometre of line your will get a bit better at it
lies

>>6477401
>sorry:-(
no, I'm sorry. I was too mean, and you're the one whose always most generous and consistent. wagmi

Thoughts on the composition and perspective?

Why are my lines so ugly?

>>6477426
you should sketch with pencil first, then ink on top, then erase the pencils. A kneaded eraser works.

DO IT

>>6477430
That's exactly what I did.

Time to give up.

>>6477426

>>6476877
I tried to fix it this time but since everything was so dark I don't think they really show through
here's the ink work
https://midi.moe/f/rxbs.jpg

>>6476922
Thanks for all the advice anon, I left the middle of the lamp completely paintless but I still think I went too dark around around the main light
here's the reference img
https://midi.moe/f/oxusa.jpg

>>6474428

SOVL

>get in the drawing habit by doing simple comics
>want to do something more complex, but my skill is way below muh vision and I hate grinding
>lose motivation, oh woe is me nobody cares about my shit anyway, it's not fun
so why bother
>Start learning about music, knob twiddlin' and noise makin' really gets me goin'
>...but I still have scenes in my head that I want to realize
Guess I gotta go for it and not give a shit about how it looks.

>>6474449
Cool robot

any tips how to draw arm? i'm confused about around these fold,elbow area. looking into reference but still quite don't understand where to place it correctly.

>>6476073
fuk

>>6477176
look at the center line you drew

>>6477148
I like your build-up and the shading helps, but the anatomy definitely looks goofy.

I'm not sure how acurate ot aestetic (or helpfull) it is but I iimagine it kind of like that. do you have arms?

>>6477352
This. Ty

any advice

>>6477554
keys to drawing

>>6474432
Cute I want to hug him :D

I like drawing robots and have done so since I was a lad. I don't consider myself beginner or intermediate but still wanted to share here

>>6477555
Come on, congratulation on those trips, but come on.

>>6477498
dopnt forget thsi

>>6477401
Your topinc is hatching & stippling but you did barely any of that. Also anon check your proportions, angles and hpes before proceeding to line the sketch. All your items are quite skewed and wobbly. Loving the attiude and morale though

>>6477444
Yes that makes the light look like it really glows, you got it anon. Im proud of you but now you have to follow some youtube guides. You have to watch how the pros put paint to paper.

Oh and just because I havent nagged you about it doesnt mean its not important: always practice fundies and drawing, even when you want to focus on watercolor.

You should get yourself some higher grade paints (artist quality) as a reward. You can buy them one by one after each painting you finish. Godspeed

Work in progress, need to make it more unattractive for one.

>>6477591
just because you see it doesn't mean you have to draw it

>>6477626
My main reason for learning to draw as a /beg/ is portraits of myself and those close to me(not posted).
Not counting cool fanart, which I post more often here.

>>6477712
Most unabashedly narcissistic statement I’ve heard in a while.

>>6477722
Thanks I guess? not to interested in pron drawings either, so I draw what I know best.

>>6477722
>Anon doesnt want to draw inflation porn
Wow such narcissism

>>6477591
Spend more time capturing shapes, add the big shapes first and make sure they are correct, like head shape, hair volume and shoulders. Spend time on that part, really look and change what needs to change. Then adding details after the foundation is sound. You should use a value scale also, even if you only have a single pencil you can vary value by pressure. And shade in large areas, you have too much detail in the shadows

>>6477733
“I want to learn to draw so I can see myself” doesn’t sound off to you at all?

>>6477733
Thanks for the advice, really sucks looking at it again but that's why I'm here.
To draw, let's go.

hyper focusing and visualizing always causes migraines which dont even go away with ibuprofen. this reality is hell

>>6477741
Sound like you're trying to squeeze an imaginary turd out of your 3rd eye instead of drawing. You're gonna blow a hernia like that.

>>6477737
Good attitude but just beware that capturing someones likeness in portrait is a very advanced topic and depending on your personality and goals you might want to do other excercises first. Have a look at the sticky for a good start

moeblob timelapse

I zoomed in far too much so my linework ended up fuckey as hell.

>>6477761
Barely noticeable in the preview.

>>6477768
Yeah it's not as bad as I thought. I'm blowing it up on a huge Mac screen (which isn't what I usually draw on) and it looked way worse than I thought.

While you were busy studying the fundamentals, I studied the blade

>>6477863
>>6477863
>>6477863
>>6477863
migrate whenever, frens
>>6477856
nice study! but be mindful of the negative space (look at the triangle forming between her breast and left arm. yours doesn't have that)

>>6477562
The knuckles curve? Thank you.

>>6477734
Why would it? There's literally nothing wrong with wanting to do portrait drawings.

I fucked up and made her into a nigger :(

>>6480305
A very light-skin one

>>6480305
Might as well kept the paper white and shade with grey