/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6464171
What's the difference nigga?

>>6464171
>>6464175
I cumed in her pussy 8 times

>>6464175
>>6464188
whats the difference of what?

Why Should I Copy Anime?

>>6464697
You shouldn't. Anime art is unironically a relic of the past that is now made by AI.

Tried rendering my picture, how do I into everything? Is it just a matter of grinding out studies?

>>6464727
I think it was a good effort and you can be happy about yourself.
Now I'd recommend moving onto another piece soon rather than staying focused on this one for too long. As you try different things I have no doubt you'll retroactively realize what could've been done better on this one.

For the next one, you could see about using a particular color palette from an illustration you like for example. I say this since here your colors (for light and shadows) are very basic.

>>6464727
Study mogoon if you have basic understanding of fundies. He does not hold your hand much like krenz plus his psd files are readily available to study from.

>>6464727
bro her hands are too small and the leg on the left is not foreshortened correctly, makes it look shorter than the other leg. The feet are not really drawn correctly either, and the folds of the cloth are vauge and unappealing. You should put a bit more effort into studying clothing or taking photos of you wearing similar clothing to get an idea of how the fabric would behave.

>>6464943
Is this the course you're referring to? I'll keep it in mind, but the course fee and photoshop subscription is a little steep for me at the moment.
>>6465010
Thanks I'm aware of this but as >>6464819 mentioned I am probably trying too much at once for myself in this piece and will move those studies into the next piece.

>>6464171
>>6464171
What do I do now that my copying is okay. I am pretty reliable at it, what's the next step?

>>6465581
Just pirate it, someone in the video course general uploaded the course and the psd files like 1-2 weeks ago, not sure if they're still up though

Is Marc Brunet's course good beginners?

>>6465665
whats your goal?

>>6465647
learn perspective
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881

>>6465678
How can I make an offline backup from that site?

>>6465669
to learn to draw anime. I was just gonna apply his stuff to that. I'm kinda lost my man.

little progress after wasting like an hour trying to learn how to use perspective assistants, ending up to the realization that is just bloatware and is way better/efficient to raster your grid. whatever, I think my horizon line still is a little too high.

>>6465772
>that is just bloatware and is way better/efficient to raster your grid. whatever,
explain it to me like I'm retarded (I am)

>>6465776
assistants tools usually take cpu cycles to keep calculating stuff even on idle, this may cause lag on bigger projects, also the farther the vanishing points the more resource it may use...

Using a image template (raster level) there is no thinking involve, so less prone in lagging another benefit is that as the template is just another layer I can apply all the functions available to layers (blending modes, stacking order, masking, etc.) I can't imagine making something like a comic strip in which every panel may have a different vanishing points from each other with assistants tools.
Ended up using this templates, https://www.davidrevoy.com/article814/perspective-grids-for-comics-in-krita
but I think I will make an 8k version.

Did I make myself understood?, I'm mentally drained kek

>>6465772
is this one better?

>>6465851
try drawing through the rear leg and showing how it connects to the pelvis

>>6465665
I wouldn't want to learn from someone with a westoid anime style if I were you anon unless you want to pander to special snowflakes.

>>6465856
didn't notice thanks, hopefully this is a bit better

How do I make the foot more feminine?

>>6465902
holy fuck, lol the foot is last thing you should be worried about

>>6465386
are those master studies or is your work? you have progress a lot in the last months

>>6465907
Wdym nigga? Post critique then.

>>6465902
>2 left hands

>>6465953
kek

>>6465953
thanks for pointing that out I will probably leave that as is. Some people are just born with 2 hands nigga.

>>6466006
Man Koreans would look better without being caked in makup

So this took me ~45 min. I wanted to take it further but figured I'd be wasting time. I'd like to redo it once trying to improve some stuff and then move on to another piece. Anything you notice that I could do better?
I'll try to not make such messy lines and make fewer but more confident strokes. I tend to focus on areas too small and not simplify much, so maybe I'll try to group stuff into longer lines. The negative space in the middle that I began with is actually fairly accurate when I overlap the images,but the dude's head, girl's head and her arm are not where they should be.

Also I've drawn no lines over the original, would that make for a more effective practice? I want to get more accurate and maybe get some muscle memory for nice lineart in

>>6466623
Your artstyle is too simplistic, same with composition, you need to improve on both aspects or AI will easily overtake you

>>6466623
>would that make for a more effective practice?
I don't know I'm >>6465846 I'm not tracing either only time will tell but It's made me mindful of my lines especially on curves those were pretty intense. I would indicate musculature to the male make it more 3d.

>>6466623
You've lost too many details anon. Spend more then 45 minutes and make it look like you just made a black and white (no painting) version

>>6466671
>>6466623
I'm in same boat as you, lets keep trying and slowly we'll get there

Heres my first attempt

>>6466623
Can you post the original pic?

>>6464171
damn I cant find the source of this pic. Does anyone have?

>>6467161
don't be so afraid of contrast, both in colour temperature and value

>>6467161
many AI flags, odd board to post it but not a problem I like the colors stolen for later, thanks anon.

>>6467170
can you explain why it looks like an ai drew it? i cant see it

>>6467168
Yeah i know i know i'm just a retard that can't draw consiously
Literally i tell myself everytime to push constrast until i go autopilot only to wake up to another muddy mess

>>6467224
the main things that I use for categorizing is:
obfuscating hands, feet
double muscle groups (stacked deltoid is common for whatever reason) not applicable here
square resolution under 1000x1000
something blurred on background
background in weird 3 point perspective (not applicable here)

Then again not against AI (I love it) saying it was weird place to post it if it was. I really like the colors in here. This seems something some pals are working thumbnailing and then by ai paint it.

I don't even know how i should react to this ai guy lol
Guess it's some beg that can't distinguiah such things

>>6467224
>>6467269
You're talking to a retard. Anyone mentioning AI out of the blue is 100% a baiting retard. Don't bother.

>>6467310
the psyop begins it's your fault for not using ai you can't tell when there's one in the thread or not

Do any of the Saito Naoki books cover basic light/rendering, or are they all just self-help?

Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Is it really okay for me to just copy an artist I like? Will I actually learn or pick up anything? I'm scared to try, I'm having that pre-drawing fear but I really want to learn.

>>6467466
>Is it really okay for me to just copy an artist I like?
Absolutely
>Will I actually learn or pick up anything?
if your are mindful about the process, yes

>>6467463
looks badly referenced, specially from the torso and up, torso looks kinda larger and the hoddie needs some wringles/drappery

>>6467463
that shading screentones looks unpleasant to the eye, cant tell you why

>>6467478
>>6467478
Is there a place where people do this together? Ideally not discord but you know? I just work better when I know there's other people by my side struggling with me. Possibly even uplifting each other. Corny I know, but I'm an anxious fucker.

>>6467466
>Is it really okay for me to just copy an artist I like?
It's the most fun way to practice
>Will I actually learn or pick up anything?
You will probably learn very little, since the objective of making copies of drawings that you like is not to learn but to improve your technical level aka draftsmanship.
>I'm scared to try, I'm having that pre-drawing fear but I really want to learn.
It will suck a lot for a long time but if you dream to become an artists we all have to walk the same path, try to enjoy the journey not the destiny and you'll be golden

>>6467498
>You will probably learn very little, since the objective of making copies of drawings that you like is not to learn but to improve your technical level aka draftsmanship.
ah fair enough, what about after that?

>>6464171
How is that umbrella not falling of her?

>>6467501
You are quite lucky actually now there are the Krenz courses that did not exist when I started drawing in 2019, I am currently doing them and I wish they had existed when I started drawing would have saved me years of wasting time reading useless books, If you are interested in order I would recommend reading some basic perspective book and then start with the krenz perspective course, then the Rhythm course and finally the Painting course. I think he also has a course to learn how to copy, from what I saw seems quite useful
https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw

>>6467513
damn anon, you're my hero right now. Thanks for giving me a game plan.

>>6467492
post here regularly.

>Possibly even uplifting each other.
We like tough love here pal.

>>6467463
I like it
>>6467490
maybe softer edges that or shading is distorting the screentone a little

Quickly testing brushes my usual brush is coming too soft for this. Would bristles with some tapering and randomness work, or would a dry one be better?

>>6467463
the face and the body aren't in the same perspective
also lower your torso or raise the hips
good job though

>>6467582
Didn't several anons mention for digital practice the best is a chalk like brush? OR am I crazy. I'd like to know the science behind that

>>6467614
don't know; I will check the archives then.

>>6467479
>>6467490
>>6467531
>>6467595
Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to take this into account while practicing

>>6465851
Hands and feet are too small, looked correct in the sketch.

>>6467614
Done, yes, it is chalk from csp. From a quick test on krita it can be replicated using "chalk details" brush and playing around with pattern strength. For some reason this brush is much easier to give a seamless continuation using multiple overlapping strokes while having a nice line weight, probably because of the coarseness of the pattern.

>>6465902
I think you should trace real people and anime characters, and get a feel for the curves, anatomy and how they are normally shaped.
You have some idea on what to do, but you may over exxagerate some stuff to a point thing it may look wrong, tracing should help bring it back to normal levels.
The word tracing may sound icky, but it helped for me and made me see what i got wrong despite figure drawing and study constantly, tracing just made it click.

If it helps, make some notes; i made the hp bone too sharp, my toes have too much definition, my shoulders are not as slender. Do stuff like that and you'll get afeel for how it's meant to be.

>>6467463
perspective looks a bit off, try using sketchfab or some model to see what things are meant to look like.

Hold that shit in front of your face, compare or just take a pic and overlay.
Maybe that'll help.

is drawing males here allowed?

>>6467625
>>6467707
Noice. Anyone know a brush like this for procreate?

>>6467463
I think you need to draw creases on the hoodie to show she's turning her upperbody.

>>6468185
I guess, do it.

>>6468191
there should be simple since procreate is popular (even in Asia, there are tons of tutorials on yt). https://procreate.brushes.work/chalk-brush-free/ first result. Play with the settings.
I still doubt the chalk brush; it doesn't seem like the line quality I see in others works.
From even further on the archive, there is a mention on yaki's channel that focus on resolution vs pen size; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ooYQ_ob-bU
This makes more sense to me, basically:

pen size = max(resolution dimension)*0.003
E.g. for a 2500x3500 canvas
3500*0.003 = 10.5 pen size and with small variable size.

will experiment further after work

>>6464171
I tried to draw a simple anime face but I don’t think I have the eyes to see what’s wrong with it yet. It doesn’t look good or very animeish and I’m not sure why. Any tips?

>>6469437
you are drawing symbols. in other words, you are putting flat stickers of eyes and mouth on a template when you're supposed to draw things with volume and perspective in mind
for example, in a front shot, the eyes and mouth don't curve upward like that, they curve toward the face because they protrude off of it. you drew it as if you were looking from above although still wrong
my personal advice whould be to look into the planes of the face and features so you know how to apply perspective to them. believe it or not, although the average anime face looks fairly simple it still relies on understanding the structure of a real face to make it look cute

>>6469498
I see thank you

First time trying this. Feels a bit weird copying other works.

take 2, 1h 41min
Trying to be more confident about lines seems to helped a bit, still lineart is tough, especially since I'm avoiding zooming in and rotation. I feel like I'm on a good track. A 100 more of these and I might become decent at copying stuff!
>>6466649
I feel like artsyle and composition is something to tackle further down the road, once I get better at this the first thing I want to do is perspective, then maybe gesture/composition
>>6466671
Yeah you do end up getting better at paying attention to the curves. I hope at some point you develop a good enough feel for it to just hold down the line in your brain and draw it quickly without redoing.
>>6466678
Better?
>>6466681
That looks like original lineart to me lol
I hope I'll catch up to you
>>6467021
Just use saucenao
On windows cmd+shift+s takes a screenshot (and copies it into your clipboard), then go to saucenao . com and ctrl+v it. Works 90+% percent of time.

Ksk535 1hr study

Still rough.. Probably should've picked something with hands or feet. Also she is larger than the original.

>>6469683
and here's me applying it to an original piece

>>6469683
>>6469687
Looks really good anon! I usually have trouble with the application part more than the study. Any advice on that? I seem to have a mindset of failure when the final result doesn't look one-to-one. Like wondering if there's something i'm not understanding.

>>6469683
>>6469687
what did you end up learning? i can't pick it out with my /beg/ eyes

>>6469683
Why did you copy everything else fine except the hands?

>>6468311
I can’t speak Japanese, why should you copy anime

>>6469712
Make the application portion the highest priority for what you are doing and chose artist to study for that you feel confident that you will be able to learn from initially. A pretty painterly artstyle is something i desire for the longest time and i basically to took me till last month to realize that i should be starting do by adopting a simple style first and gradually move on more complex artist to learn from. Basically what naiko saito talked about in his fastest way to improve book and video from a few years ( imo should be the first think you see in the sticky since it pushing you to create art rather perfect copying). Make peace with you sucking in the beginning and make art.

>>6469727
Considering i started here >>6457319 last well i can say that i managed to get some direction and was able to create a more interesting piece that show cases good knowledge of fundies in half the time.

>>6469760
Its a hour study, I'm not looking to be perfectly replacate im looking to adopt the feel and mindset of being able to work like the artist who ironically enough as does mostly 1hr practice drawings as well.

>>6469683
this is really good

>>6469669
way better anon, like that you did his muscle definition too

>>6469977
>i should be starting do by adopting a simple style first and gradually move on more complex artist to learn from
That's actually really solid advice. I've been trying to do Saito's method but the artists I choose first end up being too intimidating for my skill level. Setting them up in order to scale might just help me. Thank you for the answer!

1h 40min
her right thigh is MASSIVE
I must've been high or something to miss that

I think the artist I'm trying to study is a bit out of my range. Who's a good artist to study from for beginners? I'm so dumb everytime I think "wow that person has a simple style" they're deceptively detailed.

Any good reccs for a solid artstyle to study from that's on the simpler side? Or should I stay with the complicated?

>>6470336
The face is the most important part of the drawing. Give it more time and try to get it more accurate.

What's the deal with anime eyes where the pupil is white?

>>6470714
>Who's a good artist to study from for beginners?
take a look at these, Krenz Accuracy Imgs :https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar

>Or should I stay with the complicated?
Depends, what are you seeking to improve? Like any problem, I would break it down into smaller parts, and then it becomes more manageable.
For example, right now I'm having trouble with
>>6467582 my usual line art isn't a good match so I broke it down to brush settings first and then mark making skills. After this, I go back to the whole subject until another problem appears rinse and repeat.
Post your reference and maybe someone will give you better advice.

>>6470793
Riz draws. I know I know he’s not anime I have a thing for off brand anime\Westoid mix lots of artists have (I’m willing to change that to learn properly I’m a dumb horndog)

Here’s the ref, I only did the face

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=7242030

I’m very new to this sorry if it’s extra shit

>>6470793
I also did this, it’s from the mha manga but my dumbass lost the ref. I borked the proportions bad. Is manga too advance ?

>>6470819
>>6470823
>I’m very new to this sorry if it’s extra shit
relax, there's nothing to apologize for. Work in your line quality(confidence, line weight/contour line, big stroke from shoulder, etc) you need pen mileage, gesture drawings are great for this. Do this again but apply a grayscale filter over the image first, and focus on lines (weight-> how thick they are, and shape).

you are doing great, have fun!.

Would be nice to be able to draw...

>>6470954
why do her nipples look like someone sticking their tongue out?

>>6470967
Because they are made to lick another pair of nipples

I decided to try drawing from memory and it's uhh... actually a lot better than I thought it would be. It's kinda fun to compare it to the original, seeing what I got wrong, what I completely forgot about, and what I actually paid enough attention to to remember. I feel like I'll be able to pay better attention to the image as a whole next time as well as filter out stuff that just wouldn't be helpful. Like you can see that I tried to draw the hair simplified but didn't remember it at all, and now that I look at how it actually was I could see myself simplifying it into 4-5 simple shapes if I were to do it again.

~4 hours

>>6471343
Good job. Strive for accuracy even when you simplify reference to big shapes/composition. Also when drawing studies compare your art to the ref (by overlapping) and make corrections. That’s the way to improve faster.

>>6471535
What model did you use? 4 hours is an awful lot for one image, is your GPU like voodoo 3dfx?

>6471559 (You)

>>6470920
whoa, thanks dude.

>>6469683
ngmi

>>6470336
Elsa? Sex.

>>6471559
Wrong board. The india board is >>>/g/

>>6471620
Oh but I was looking for the black people board, /ic/ seems to be best for that

I wish there were "anime style" sculpture busts. Yes I know you should be able to do deconstructions of anatomically correct busts, and yes I know you could just use figures. I just think it would be a cool novelty.

42 min quickie

I chose this image cause I liked it and found it cute but it's not the greatest for my practice. I didn't even bother to finish it up since it's so messy. Though I sure would love to be able to make sketches as nice as this

>>6470719
I know but it's just such a tiny part of the drawing and so sensitive to tiniest mistakes it's hard. Maybe I'll try to look for images where the head takes up more space.
>>6471549
I do already compare it at the end, but when do you think it's a good idea to overlap and correct? I kinda like the fact that the end result was done solely by eyesight so I guess I'm inclined to do everything like that and post the result, then maybe make a correction on a new layer.
>>6471697
I feel like it could translate poorly to stylized art like anime. I could be wrong but I think that even the better looking 3d rendered anime games/videos/whatever slap some "2d filter" on top and don't actually purely render in 3d.

>>6471697
Learn to do stylization urself, it's not that hard if you are at least int.

>>6471601
pyw crab

>>6472044
>>6472057
I meant an actual sculpture. like physically something to put on the desk.

Does there exsist any videos of anime animators drawing animation cels anywhere?

>>6471697

>>6464171
Guys, what the FUCK am I doing wrong??
Something just feels off, but I don't know why .

>>6472350
Holy cow, where can I buy this??

>>6472371
I don't get the lighting

>>6472430
You mean at the hair? Yeah I should pronounce that better.

need help defining this stupid hand

>>6472432
Make the hand bigger

>>6471697
try your luck with https://twitter.com/ukiyadayo maybe you can find something

>>6472432
So AI programs post WIPs now? What had this world become

>>6472371
-Hand is too small in comparison to her head
-Head looks flat, like a 2D mask, therefore -looks stuck in there, no volume
-Hand linework is too thick when put next to her face lines, creating incoherence
-Hand is not shaded, which hurts the piece a lot since the catch of it is "hand under her chin" - being "under" should forcefully cast a shadow
-No nails on fingers create an awkward impression

>>6471621
>>6472448
You must have a really sad life anon, wtf.

>>6471535
How do I learn to shade like this

>>6472452
Wow. I didn't know I fucked up that hard, but now I see what you mean. Thank you so much!!

>>6469683
they're the same picture

I've spent way too much time on this, probably should've ended at a messier stage and move to another one

Why should you copy anime

Ref -> drawing -> drawing from memory

>>6473547
Hey, that's pretty good!

>>6471697
Just look up MMD models or whatever

>>6470336
left tit. why does it end in her armpit.
left leg is straight on heel, right leg is slightly bent on fingertip. right thigh should be in front of the left one. her thigh high socks also indicate right thigh is moving to camera and the left away from it.
left foot finish the heel and the knee.
right hand oven mitt.
you got some details really well, but some of your lines dont make sense. feels like you just turn your brain off and just copy as much as you can. i dont know. but if you're studying a piece shouldn't you try to analyze it a bit and then copy? doesnt seem like a good practice to me.

How do you decide when a sketch/lineart is solid enough and begin rendering it?

>>6470823
Another todo study.

Reference
https://cdn.readheroacademia.com/file/mangap/601/10024000/10.jpg

Any tips? Gonna upload my process in a sec cause I feel like I’m too slow and inaccurate

Process

>>6473782
>>6473802
SHOUTOOOOOOOOOO

>>6473762
I follow a simple mantra, if you have to ask.

>>6473782
you are loosing gesture, which one looks faster, serious, adamant, menacing? and why?

>>6473762
When I feel like it's cool enough. That's subjective

>>6473824
Endeavor…

>>6473839
Yeah, the original definitely has this hard sprint look and mine looks kinda goofy. The hands come to mind, I messed up the foreshortening for sure. The torso is also off, how can I prevent that lose of gesture?

>>6473782
look at the relative position of the head, upper chest, and shoulder.
also the relative size of the two hands (foreshortening)
this is being used to express the forward lean of the pose

>>6473782
also don't be worried about being slow for this kind of exercise, just take your time and try to be accurate.

>>6473908
>>6473914
ah shit, I see it much better now. Alright cool, thanks man. Gonna keep a better eye out next time.

>>6473903
>lose of gesture?
short answer angles, you did good considering foreshortening is vital to for the pose to have any impact. I would suggest to watch the first hour of the first video on OP post, then before introducing foreshortening I would choose a simpler pose, without much foreshortening.

will learning shit like this actually help me with my character drawing? wtf.

4 hours.

>>6474006
I was reading this document to learn, week 2 is where you want to go. There is good stuff there, cube hacks and all.

>>6474035
so basically start from when he talks about Human in perspective or did you do that rotating room thing as well?

>>6474046
For me, the cubes after it is the most important part. Using few angles as reference, rotating it, using numbers to represent proportions, etc... It is very useful to use it in your own studies.

I recommended going over the full material first, even if quickly. Week 3 for example, there is LOTS of useful information that helps with all types of perspective problems, including characters.

>>6474073
fuck it. i'll just start from week 1

testing layer modes, not high iq enough

>>6474078
U should use much warmer colour on the edge of light and shadow and much colder in the shadow. That yellowish tint u use both for shaded areas doesn't provide enough warm/cold contrast

>>6474114
both for shaded areas and the edges

>>6474013
Head feels small.

>>6474202
You're correct. The original was smaller.

>>6474234
Yeah I would advise spending a bit more time on the sketch before finalizing it next time.

>>6474306
Yeah I think I did a little bit better with this one. Still she ended up taller. How tf do I render it though.

>>6473903
>Endeavor…
Yes

>>6468311
>I guess, do it.
nice, i move here because /csbg/ is full of tumblr garbage shit

>>6464171
>>6472371

What do you think now, /asg/?

>>6467463
I Know it's subtle, the screen tone on pale part of the face is generally avoided. Unless blended really well.

>>6474370
Keep the skin tone simple first, just work with 4.
1. Select the base flesh tone and fill body.
2. Select a lighter tone for highlights over softly.
3. Select a deeper tone for shadow areas, again softly apply.
4 Select a midway tone between the shadow and base tone to blend all.

>>6474625
Then afterwards you can add extra colour shades in the shadows and work on hard edge/spot highlights.

>>6474625
>>6474632
I really wish I could've read this before I got going.

>>6474675
forgot the image

>>6474677
>>6474370
not the anon you're responding to, but I like your drawing a lot anon

>>6464171

I've been looking for a posing doll, and this one caught my eye because it looks good and had high ratings. Surprisingly there weren't that many alternatives on amazon.jp and anything cheap was rated as garbage. Is there any particular doll that is considered a gold standard for them?

>>6474737
theres body kun and body chan, its on amazon but theres also on aliexpress for very cheap

>>6474964
And only buy the "Deluxe" versions, the rest are of shitty quality. Don't even bother with the rest. You'll make your wallet happier, trust me.

>>6474598
It looks more refined but the face still looks flat.
Quick edit:
- rounder face, added slight shadows on one side and highlight on the nose
- tried to give a slight tilt to the head (you could exaggerate it more if you wanted)
- reshaped nose, mouth and eyes slightly
It's kinda dirty but hopefully it helps some.

>>6474737
I've seen my japs going just with blobs of plasticine joined by string + 3d body, something about feeling the form (indentations).

>>6474737
use 3d and koikatsu posing dolls are kind of irrelevant

>>6475092
Wow that looks so much better!
Although Miku now looks a bit more like a child, I get what you mean, looks much better anyways.
So basically "making head rounder" = "reducing the jaw-size". Gotcha.
Next time I'll add a shadow like that to the head too, and the highlight on the nose is a great idea as well :)
Thank you so much for the tip!!

anime connoisseur how is this style called, from illustramble, where can i find other artists like this?

>>6475432
the style is called photoshop filter

>>6475380
>Although Miku now looks a bit more like a child, [...]
>So basically "making head rounder" = "reducing the jaw-size". Gotcha.
You could make her face longer if you wanted, but you'd need to pay attention to where you're placing the cheekbones (aka where the line bends). On your original the cheeks were placed very low, which made the face look like a sheet of paper.

In any case, Miku has been drawn by many different artists, so I'd recommend looking for ones who stylize her in a way you like and study their proportions.
Rella comes to mind for example as an artist who might fit what you were trying to go for:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=1&tags=rella+hatsune_miku

Glad it helped.

I haven't been to /ic/ in a couple years when it was utter cringe incarnate. I was about to say great job to a few of you for improving so much until I realized 90% of the drawings here are tracings/direct copies.

>>6475496
Hey you gotta start somewhere, plus this is the /beg/ thread, the Anons from way back are probably somewhere else now

>>6475465
really, thats cool do you happen to know which one it is?

Will search futher, thanks

How do I do this?

>>6475537
lurk more

>>6475496
>I was about to say great job to a few of you for improving so much until I realized 90% of the drawings here are tracings/direct copies.
The /asg/tard is immune to actual improvement, one might call them a cheater, copy-cat, a tracer or even a plagiarizer these words mean nothing to the animay study beglet as he smugly posts his "drawings". But ask him to post his work from imagination and watch how he recoils, be amazed at how quickly he concludes "I've been filtered out"

>>6475500
okay but i'm talking like precovid I was here, why some of you still tracing, its time to start feeling the forms etc

>>6475542
pyw

I don't know if this should go here but here it goes. Drew this from imagination and traditionally. Thoughts? Idk took me like 40mins. It's messy but I like it, but if someone wants to rip me a new one please do.do

i traced this, i'm still strugling with curves, but i feel a lot more confident in my ability to draw the line i want to draw with a drawing tablet now.

>>6475873
>traced
>struggling
How is this even possible?

>>6475876
using a drawing tablet is hard, it's the biggest thing filtering me from digital art.

>>6465902

>>6475626
They cant. They literally cant. Otherwise they would be posting their art all over social media and have zero reason to be here.

>>6475537
jomon genes

>>6474735
Thanks.

>>6475988
Last time it was /csg/ now this pre-covid faggot? How many attempts has been made to bring /asg/ down and still fail horribly?

>>6475746
if you are drawing just for fun, its good enough, but if you want to actually get gud, theres tons of shit to improve, anatomy us fucked up in almost every regard, her right leg looks like almost coming up from her crotch, the outline of the pecs connecting to he titts and the outline of the tits makes the whole thing look like a nut sack, tortso has no form that shows the underneath forms like ribcage pelvis, and muscles shapes, ther knees are whack, the neck isnt atached tothe back of her skull, face features arent aligned the right eye is too far to the right, theres so much more

>>6475925
looool

>>6475925

>>6476055
Nta but you are just copying the reference like everyone else here lmao.

>>6475925
I have that same reference image pack, do finish your work anon it looks good, the foot right now is very unappealing

>>6476055
this is shit, blindly adding more realism to anime pictures does not make them better
difference between his and yours is he's used the reference whereas your lines have copied the reference

>>6476002
I fucking redid it. I need a break.

>>6472634
Lots of copying. The secret here is to compare your study to the ref and fixing mistakes - you’re learning through feedback and corrections.

>>6475490
Yes that's more the style I like!
And yeah the jaw and cheekbones were way too low, I'll correct that.
Thanks a bunch, man :)

>>6476176
Do you copy anime refs or also do real life studies as well? I kind of get the feeling that when you have enough technical skill you can directly translate real life references into illustrations but what should I be doing before that?

>>6476163
looks a lot better. well done anon

>>6476010
Wow thanks a lot. That does look much better. Yeah I draw for fun but I want to get better. There seems to be a lot lacking in my mental image when I compare the two. I will study the things you pointed out in this post and in your redline. Thanks a lot.

>>6464171
Guys, I see many artists do this and I just don't understand why...

What's the point of painting your drawings all in gray shades first, if you'r just going to replace them with colors anyway?

Why not just start with the real colors first?!

>>6476412

Gray is easier and faster to paint with than colors, and gives you an idea how to proceed with shadows.

>>6476430
I see. But how do you know which color fits which shade of gray?

>>6476412

You need to be able to recognize "values" in a painting. This is the base of your painting, the building blocks, the sauce on the pizza. Colors are toppings, decoration, sprinkles of accent and emotion - but the base values need to be there.

Check out Airi Pan's Fool Proof Concept Art course. She explains it rather well in the first couple of videos, but it's better that you practice it 'cause it's kinda hard to wrap your head around.

If I had to summarize it, I'd say that you need to be able to identify large shapes in your painting and separate them into something comprehensible and appealing. One good practice exercise is to take a screenshot from a movie, turn it into grayscale, squint your eyes and try to identify the shapes using only three values (black, white and gray). Colors come after - shape language is more important. Some of the real pros forego the value construction altogether - but that's because they're pros and know it all by heart already, so they start with color straight away.

>>6476447
I see... I still don't quite get the exact point of it because I've done fine without it, but I'll do some "Grisaille" exercises then... Maybe then I'll get the point of it.
Thanks.

>>6476082
>>6476089
If only this general had this attitude towards blindly copying anime, /asg/ would've been in far better shape than it is.

>>6476412
it's faster

Is using a grid bad? I feel like it’s the same science behind Krenz’s scaffolding thing which I cannot wrap my head around completely

>>6476447
I'm not a pro but I start with colour away coz I'm sensitive towards value and colours.

>>6476542
How? It's just an extra step before applying the real colors, so it's technically slower
Unless the gray colors actually really do help and speed up the whole process as a whole.

How much study a day is recommended? I’m ashamed to say I can only manage an hour a day. But I want to push myself

>>6476879
there's a technique to it using gradient maps and other layer effects/filters it looks like an extra step but it's more like building a solid foundation

>>6477119
Yeah I saw how they used "Layer Masks" and stuff...

>>6467087
artist is highschool of the dead's artist (inazuma/satou shouji)

>>6464171
/asg/, what can I improve upon?

>>6477141
everything but not in a bad way

>>6477193
Gotcha

>>6476953
You can make it work but you need to learn this as if it was your day job. Are you prepared to learn on top of all the bullshit you have to learn?

>>6477205
Yeah. Honestly if I didn't have a full time job I'd no life it but fuck it I'm gonna push it. Most of it is just me being tired

>>6477141
Lines, anatomy, form, shading.

>>6477249
Gotcha.

>>6476788
>talent isn't re-

Alright I gotta learn how to do the Krenz thing I don’t think I’m getting any better trying to do it by eye alone Im too inaccurate. But man it’s intimidating. It’s alright if I still just draw things I want between exercises?

Ref
https://imgur.com/a/UX32lIx

Ref

>>6477309
Are you doing that simple shapes breakdown thing? If you're just starting out it's a lot easier to see that two triangles/rectangles/simple polygons don't match. It's also easier to think of how you would fix them than the whole head and face at once.

>>6477317
how do you mean? I started pretty much this week
>>6470823
I was gonna go by the first Krenz video but I'm having a bit of trouble figuring it out. Especially applying it to anime characters, the example video uses the small animals and I know I gotta start there but I'm not sure how the technique evolves (if that makes sense) or how to really utilize it.

Are there any videos of people using it or doing it so I can sort of "Get it" better?

>>6477332
The way I understand the small animals thing is that those are simpler pictures, so you are less likely to get lost in details while trying to do the exercise. The ideas underneath should be the same, you're training your eyes.

Here are some example schizo lines (I wouldn't use these if I was trying to draw your ref, it's just for example). Can you see what shapes don't match? Can you think about how you would change them so they do match?

>>6477415
Ah, yeah definitely. The thing is I draw on a tablet and my ref is on the PC. Is that form? I could put the reference on the Canvas with my image, the problem is since I draw on a tablet my space is limited and I'd have to zoom in and out a lot.

But I gather that would be the ideal way to keep on top of this during my drawing. At least until I am better at measuring.

>>6477141

Everything in that can be improved, but I still think that the picture and your art style is very cute.

>>6477418
>put the reference on the Canvas
I wouldn't say this is necessary, perfectly fine to look back and forth
>zoom in and out a lot
This is good to do anyway, there are some things that are easier to notice or draw when zoomed out and vice versa

>>6477933
Well thanks :)

>>6476082
>>6476089
That isn't realism you eternal /beg/. The shading and anatomy of the first one doesn't even make sense.

Im terrible at rendering and coloring in general, what are some videos/books that I can use?

>>6479057
james gurney color and light

>>6479057
>>6479080
I should also add marco bucci's vids is good place to start as well

>>6479016
>NOOOO you must follow the reference down to the anatomy and shading!!!!
lmao cope.

I tried eye-tracing this face

>>6479107
your expression is better than og, sadly you are pedo and should die.

>>6479123
is exactly the same, are you autistic?

>>6479127
Ok

>>6479107
Wow it looks identical! You're not tracing it, are you?

>>6464171
Guys, something weird happened. I posted my work and someone lashed out at me for no reason (he didn't critique my work), probably for being jealous.
Even though I'm just a beg, but I saw his works and he's even more beg, you know?

This was the first time I experienced someone's jealousy because of my art. Have you ever had this happen to yo before too?

How do you deal with the jealousy of others for your skills?

>>6479375
No, I had it up on one monitor and drew what I saw.

>>6479016
please copy all references exactly and never actually apply them to your works, thank you

>>6479380
well I have no experience in the drawing department for that but in other things, ideally you ignore them completely. Rejection is the highest form of denial, and sometimes you gotta teach someone the hard way else they'll keep doing it to others. But don't let it shake you, because ultimately that's what haters want.

>>6479390
Based

>>6479395
>sometimes you gotta teach someone the hard way
By ignoring them I can teach them a lesson? I'm not sure they're that smart to learn from that, but sounds good nonetheless.

>But don't let it shake you, because ultimately that's what haters want.
You're right, they're just haters in the end. Who are jealous, but don't actually do anything to improve their position.
Pathetic. PATHETIC, I SAY!!! Not worth my attention though, better to ignore them, as you said.
Yes.
Thanks pal!

>>6479402
>By ignoring them I can teach them a lesson?
Yeah, it's embarrassing to be ignored
>Thanks pal!
Just keep drawing bro, we are ALL going to be artist and have high followers and bitches lining up to commission us and draw our OCs.

>>6479412
Thanks man, you too!
But what if I just want to draw fanart?

>>6479380
Pyw

>>6479380
zamn it really is a crab bucket here.

>>6476055
I think you did make some improvements in the upper body for sure, but neither you or the OP noticed a few things that's fucking you over:
The entire torso is leaning at an angle, and the right side of it fits into a straight line angle, whereas in your's it doesn't and flares out.
If you compare your's to the ref you'll see there's quite a bit of negative space in the ref compared to both OP and your drawing.This basically means the rotation of the hips is entirely wrong right now. The other thing is that the far leg on the floor should have a bit more indication that its rotated slightly towards us, whereas in OP it still looks like its from a flat side view.

>>6479107
expression good but the jaw is too wide, the ref has it at a slightly steeper angle. Yours is like a 20 degree angle whereas the ref is more around like a 30 or 40 degree angle.
Also nice choice in Saria, I like to draw that dragon slut too

>>6479380
There's a good chance you are just coping, in the reality you were the one with shittier art, but you are just telling yourself you were the better one.

>>6479536
Not really, no, 100% not.
He also only bashed me because the others were starting to give me praise, so he went full contrarian as a "joke" on me

>>6475873
i think my curves are slightly better, i need to focus more on line thickness next time i think.

>>6479596
Yeah also add some color or value, it's hard to tell what's going on at first glance.

>>6476010
soul vs soulless

>>6473983
nice

>>6479533
I see. Thank you.

>>6479453
Thx dude OP here. I’m quite far into painting now to fix silly mistakes like you mentioned but I am still hot happy with the foot. I am going for the heel down and the toes wiggling. Should I just picture my own foot? My foot is that of a man and it wouldn’t look that great. I am not a footfag btw.

>>6479421
A nobler man than I. You will draw the fanciest of fan art, and be known among that fandom as a hero. A contributor on par with the creators of the source material itself

>>6479825
Hmm, I didn't think about it that way! Sounds great :)
Thank you for your kind words, I don't know what to tell you though, sorry haha.
All the best and good luck!!

>>6469687
Still studying ksk35 and made another drawing trying to draw/render like her.

Is there any good artist that does a style similar to Sailor Moon? I was just going to take a bunch of screenshots while watching it to use as reference because that seems like the only way to learn to copy it.

>>6480203
https://twitter.com/nandawa_tw?s=21&t=vcWjRYpDyfkgtoDGqPE4kg

>>6480208
thank you fren

I drew some schizo shit without uhhhh yeah I kind of want to post it because it's the worst thing I've seen but it makes me happy it's not really related to the thread though

Who draws the best sexy faces?

how do I houtengeki?

>>6465890
me on the right

>>6480302
He literally has a youtube channel where he shows his entire process.

I'm having regrets starting this study, the dress is making me shit bricks, I think I'm too far removed from the study, should I just trash this and start something else.

Does Diathorn have any videos showing his rendering process?

>>6480700
Looks fine to me

>>6480719
Sry should have posted the original alongside it

>>6480720
Hmm, I don't see the problem here.

Anyone?

just a few more...

>>6480720
>>6480700
>>6480751
the shape and the coloring are great, be careful of how thick the lines you make for it are on the edges, because you've made the lines very thick it doesn't look as soft as the original's material

>>6473547
I guess that's pretty good but you killed a lot of appeal by changing the head into that un-anime-like shape.

But yes it's pretty good, but not anime!!!!

>>6474013
head feels small indeed but it's pretty good
but yeah, head kinda small brother
other than that you did amazing and I love you in a gangster kind of way, likee, you know itttttt!!!!!

>>6480763
you are doing quite well anon
just keep your head in the game and your cock in your hand (left hand, at least, not the dominant hand)

>>6480720
we forgive you, but yes next time would be neat indeed

Anyone have any good poses or scenes with multiple characters(3+)? I don't want to have them just standing around.

here is my morning traditional draw, took me 4 hrs but I think is fine, no references and just tried to copy from my mind this dragon girl from the anime that I like on this season the right hand may be a little fucked up

>>6481126
Why didn't your spoiler tag work?
Looks great by the way!

How do you organize your references? I have easily 8000+ and its becoming practically impossible to organize things manually

>>6481255
>save thousands of pics for future reference
>never use them and browse pinterest, /s/ and /h/ instead
>the reference folder keeps growing nonetheless

>>6481255
I only keep the references I actually used, I don't keep references for "the future", because I don't even know what exactly I'll be drawing by then, so what's the point? Just delete everything except the ones you really used

>>6481255
I have maybe 100,000 or more organized references

>>6481255
I just use folders and a image viewer with good thumbnail functions. When I'm using the reference I use pureref/beeref and create my collage. If you want something more robust then what you are looking for is a "digital asset manager" DAM software.

>>6481126
pose is very stiff, she looks like shes moving the stone to left, rather than leaning? also the lack of her arms bending makes it look like the stone is really close to her body like if it was very thinn, overall the body is very stiff, practice some gesture and anatomy, i.e the red pic you can see how the wway the pose tries to convey the weight from leaning on her hands affecting the rest of the body pose.

>>6481255
Look up and collect things as they come up in the process of creation.
What you're doing is literally just directionless brainrot media consumption. No better than a tiktok zoomer.

>>6481433
It is okay to not do things directly related to productivity sometimes anon

>>6481126
do gesture study everyday. Try can capture the movement in a few strokes

>>6464171
how do you copy a artstyle i wanna learn. trace or eyeball

>>6481730
Tracing is good for testing brush settings, but you won't really learn how to draw it until you eyeball.

>>6464171
Holy thighs

>>6480841
Thanks anon. Pretty sure I still have the same issue with the head as seen here >>6476163
My values are off so I'm gonna try some greyscaling. Maybe this.

>>6481255
I actually came into this problem recently and just went with hydrus with deep danbooru tagging. It's not perfect but better than manually dealing with that shit and making folders.

>warm up with real life study then do my anime studies
>this has been helping me a ton
I get that it's just the warm up but I think drawing from real life (objects not people) is a helpful exercise and i feel like my perspective is improving faster too.

But when is it that I decide to move up from just copying? What comes next? Krenz's perspective course is a bit ESL'y and I can't really understand it.

Raita study in pen and redone with pencil

>>6481993
>ESL
Wait, I though his courses were in Chinese only? How would that even be ESL'y?

>>6482142
I meant the translation for his perspective course. It’s very rough

>>6482309
>the translation his perspective course
Oh he translates his courses a little?
Great, how much does the course cost?

>>6482318
It's all right here bro
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881

>>6482332
Wait, what?
That's fucking amazing, thanks man!!!

>>6482332
So it was always free all along?

>>6464171
What's the diagnosis, Doc?

>>6482342
newfag detected.

>>6482716
Yes.
Was that supposed to shame me or something?

>>6479596
i think i'm more or less comfortable enough with the drawing tablet to stop tracing and start doing the krenz method now.

stoody

>>6480482
The guy is a master anatomist. It's gonna be hard...

>>6483299
Ok faggoot, walk us through your process. Is it all done in normal layers? What brush size did u use for the lineart?Did u apply the shadows and highlights last? How are your colors and layers arranged? Did you just fucking traced everything? Kek.

>>6483324
I just painted using multiply and color dodge light method in Krenz's way and then used normal layers to adjust the painting slightly.

>>6483299
why does it have an oil drop in the right arm if the source pic doesn't have one?

>>6483341
started getting lazy, basically got what I wanted which is to be able to get a feel practicing a render and lineart process that gets me to a desired look

What is the process for drawing and coloring long hair? I'm getting fucked over by this study, I already can't make the hair bundles smooth and can't make sense of the flow.

>>6483374
Lol just git gud faggot
All you have to do is copy the shapes and colors you see in front of you, if you can't do that you're NGMI :)

>>6483299
looks nice

>>6483299
What made you alter the hip area?

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