/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Suggest something to draw ic?

I opened up my sketchbook from 2017 and realize I have not improved in the slightest.

>>6454316
Crocodile

Haven't been here for a while because I'm a weak willed faggot who can't stick with anything longer than a week. What happened to the threadly draw challenge?

>>6454316
a horse head.

>>6454292
How can I improve? I'm convinced there's something wrong with it but I can't see anything

>>6454323
U havent gotten worse.

>>6454316
1.Rusty Sword
2.Ghoulish Scientist
3.Friendly Dragon
4.Quaint Coastal Town Scene
(Action).Something's Hunting Something

Take your pick. Ordered them in what i thought was probably least to most difficult so hopefully everyone can at least try something. Bonus points if you include all 4 things and double-double bonus points if you have the action represented in someway.

Also, what are some top picks for books or courses that focus on learning just raw form? Looking to get through some material but I haven't really got much value out of the few books i've started. They often felt like I was just learning the shapes of what the thing is "supposed to look like" or tracing the contours and details 1 to 1.

>>6454292
Started this yesterday but became lazy pretty fast, probably because I was experimenting and had no idea on how to use markers and some ink I had forgotten about.

>wake up
>didn't miraculously turn into a master artist overnight
one day it will happen and i'll never have to grind these shitty drawings again

>>6454292
>Swastika
the rope awaits you nazi!

>>6454363
Something is up with the lower half specially that far side leg.

Spent days on a drawing, posted it for 5 minutes on social media before deleting out of shame. I'm such a thin-skinned piece of perma/beg/ shit.
Sorry for pissing in your general I'll see myself out now

>>6454355
Rusty sword

>>6454323
Grind more loomis

>>6454355
Gave it a go myself, ended up just drawing a sword with herps which was disappointing. but the 1 point is a personal highscore so ill keep drawing.
>>6454415
>unlocked secret '4chan Bonus', "Yep, That's a Penis" Guild Title. Do another or try again to find all the hidden '4chan trophies'.

>>6454333
What got you into drawing in the first place? I imagine it was the urge to draw or create something specific. Draw that. even if you suck

My first serious attempt at rendering
thoughts?

>>6454373
take your meds

>>6454292
Do I have sovl /ic/?

>>6454451
It's a good start. Now copy it and do it again.
Try to find new forms you missed or that should otherwise be in and out of shadow. Like her fingers and wrist cuffs, or her stomach compared to her ass.

>>6454455
post tits

>>6454451
Misquoting the big P himself
>Rendering is like icing on the cake. You need to have a solid cake first before you put it on.
In other words, focus on the basics first (gesture, construction, anatomy) before worrying about rendering.

>>6454451
What rendering.

>>6454351
Her legs look unnatural in proportion and pose. Her legs twisted too far, and her left leg looks too long. Try drawing through where the dress covers the leg. Also, more generally, maybe study some gesture?

Do vacuums have sovl
Are we not ourselves vacuums in our struggles to gorge ourselves endlessly on this material landscape of recycled earth
Do we have sovl

Anyone got any tips for thumbnailing? I tend to use a mix of 3d and sketching before starting on the final product, but after bringing this up, there was an issue of lack of thumbnailing after i discussed the theme. For future reference, How do I propperly thumbnail while saving time? I may have some other questions later but for now, I just need help with efficant thumbnailing. Thank you in advanced.

>>6454574
FAAACK I forgot image reference.

>>6454468
He forgot about it when he spent 10 hours on that fishnet you can only see when you squint your eyes

>>6454292
I draw my studies too big or too small compared to the reference im studying, how do I correct so I don't do that, just keep drawing more?

So do I just draw from references until I’m good?

>>6454618
Its not just that, You have to try experimenting, form up tricks that will help YOU yourself draw better. But reference is indeed a major help for artists, considering that drawing from imagination can be....very difficult.

Would it have helped if I knew what I wanted to accomplish in the first place?

>>6454292
I have an insanely poor work ethic/attention span for books and youtube tutorials. I don't think I'm GMI.

>>6454629
Here's my piss poor attempt at copying Bridgman

>>6454455
The guys face\head ruins this, otherwise it’s wonderful

>>6454455
i like it and can tell you put effort into it

>>6454426
I'm gonna looooomis!

>>6454351
Remember that you draw cute skinny girl, so avoid any noticable muscle bumps, also anime head is shaped more like an egg than sphere.
>>6454363
Love it, markers and ink are top tier. Her forehead and eyesockets are a bit too forward i guess.
>>6454451
Don't be scared of darker colors for shadows and try to be consitant with details, those pantystockings bring too much atention.
>>6454455
Face is little to childlish for that proportions and eye is a bit off, otherwise pure soul. Love the colors.
>>6454459
pretty good.

trying to limit stylization is very frustrating.

>>6454701
huohhhhhhh

>>6454292

>>6454702
Why are you trying to limit stylization?

>>6454717
They want to grow their artistic horizons instead of drawing anime heads for the rest of their life.

>>6454702
Looks like the face is about to slide off the head.

>>6454702
>try limit stylization is hard
>what is semi-realism
???

>>6454718
I don't draw anime or anything. I don't think I have much of a "style". I'm just studying for now. Outside painting

>>6454717
I find stylzed heads very attractive, but it is very difficult to portray real people without obvious features

>>6454725
I will prob give up though

too much effort for low return

>>6454292
>this OP pic
Actually made me laugh.

>>6454724
based chink

>>6454633
Oh anon dont be so hard on yourself
Doesnt look half bad
Work on line confidence though, less scribble-lines, try to do 1 confident line instead

I lined the drawing, does it look better?

From last year. Gonna really get into water color this year

>>6454746
I like the background

>>6454740
No. But draw more with this brush.

>>6454765
Ok

I spent money on art supplies today. That means I have become better at art.

>>6454633
looks good, what's helped me with bridgeman is exaggerating the masses (head, cage and pelvis) and realizing they move independently but are connected through twisting, turning, arching and bending. It seems weird at first but definitely gives the masses a dynamic feel.

>>6454292
Short haired grils make dick go hard

I'm not too old, but I feel like I'm on my way to becoming perma/beg/.
Anons, I tried to get a feeling of an angry environment in this one. What do you feel here?

>>6454840
I think the color pallete and background work well for an angry feeling but nothing feels angry about the face. It just feels confused and formless.

>>6454840
If you want to make it angrier, look up GG Allin.

>>6454847
>confused
This works.
>formless
How would you draw a face like this? How can I improve the form?

Half way through inking

Is referencing stuff from 90's anime stuff like pic related a good way to get a soulful style?

Wake up. New crazy gf just dropped

>>6454914
Ear should be a little bigger, no matter the foreshortening

Does anyone have any resources on hot muscles deform? I've been looking in my books stuff like Goldfinger and Hampton but can't find anything. Not bad when the muscles are by themselves but when they push up against each other it fucks me up.

My attempt at drawing my own hands

i NEED to make it!

>>6454917
The ear on her hand?

>>6454701
>Love it, markers and ink are top tier. Her forehead and eyesockets are a bit too forward i guess.

Thanks anon, very cute drawing as well

>>6454944
That's right. Place your hand on your ear to feel what I'm talking about.

It´s over guys, I can´t draw

>>6454968
Get over yourself

Has anyone read Dürer books on Human Proportions?

>>6454451

is rendering a fancy word for painting? or im missing something

>>6454330
>>6454350
Thanks for the suggestions
>>6454355
This is gonna take some time, I'll be back in a couple of days

drew for 7h today, very proud

Still working on this, feel free to redline, I feel that the perspective is goofed.

>>6455020
Not /beg/ good job

>tfw straightlinelet
also my bicep is pretty sore from doing these types of exercises for the past few days, i don't know if that's normal or if i'm doing things wrong. my desk is pretty high so maybe i need a booster seat

>what goes in the bottom-right corner?

>>6455123
complex construction drawing, anatomy, and color theory.

>>6455127
>complex construction drawing
i think that would be the ability to simplify everyday objects into simple shapes in order to learn how to draw it from imagination
i like that
>anatomy
that's far too specific as not everyone cares to learn how to draw the human body
i am trying to be very broad with this so as to apply to most artists, not just artists that draw characters
>color theory
it's too specific of a fundamental and not necessarily a vital component in observation
maybe "light and shadow" would be more suitable

>>6455132
If learning how to draw the human body isn't a fundamental exercise, then why have Bargue plates being taught to intermediates?

>>6455142
anatomy is fundamental, apologies
i was assuming that anatomy only applied to the human body but it can apply to practically any real-world object

barque plates are an advanced exercise for replicating exactly what you see (oftentimes, unwittingly recommended to absolute beginners) which should take hours to complete though are not absolutely necessary if you do not wish to become an advanced copy-artist--since it had to do with observation, i opted to include it
is there a reason why it should be removed?

>>6455123
>>6455127
>>6455132
>>6455142
>>6455144

>>6455020
Permabeg and terrible job.
she looks like shes sitting on something invisble, looks pretty off, it should be more relaxed for her to lean and rest her arms on her legs... uggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh needs more roomis and some gesture.

>>6455163
Show my your asshole

>>6455168
>my your

>>6455178
Show me your asshole

>>6454914
Deftones ref?

is sycra a psyop?

>>6455163
that's just a different way of squatting, the original isn't wrong

>>6455207
yes yes yes yes yes

>>6455209
based permabeg

>>6455163
spy detected

>>6455123
This is absolutely terrible

>>6455232
Nvrmind I thought it was a how to on how to draw. If this is only about copying stuff it seems fine desu

>>6455232
got any suggestions?
considering you are in a /beg/ thread, i'm sure everyone will appreciate a more detailed response that everyone can learn from :)

>>6455235
Sorry I misinterpreted it
>>6455235

>>6455237
no worries

Tried slowing down a bit on this page. Part of it is not having drawn in a couple weeks, but feel like I've taken a couple steps back.

>>6455260
Most of the boxes are fundamentally failing to follow one of the most important tenants of lesson 1:

Be intentional and make quick, confident lines. Ghost, start at a point, shoot out, and /dedicate to the line you have created/. It can be tempting to make your stuff again, etc, but focus on quality. Once you finish your box, try going over the outermost edges to add lineweight to the silhouette. Finally, add /intentionally/ shaded sides. Stop scratching over the same line ten times!

Be deliberate, be confident.

Bros.... I'm feeling weird.... drawing powers course through my veins

>>6455268
Cool but none of that is a matter of perspective.

>>6455186
I don't know what Deftones is

>>6454373
meds, schizo

>>6455300
but it does for craftsmanship

>>6455300
I'll respond positively, or at least attempt to -- because I'll assume you responded out of frustration and I want to be empathetic of that.

You are competent enough to check your perspective with a ruler. And seem to own one, based off the fact that you've drawn lines to check your perspective. That skill can be honed through your own careful observation. Take time when you make a box to ask yourself what exactly is throwing it off, then check with the ruler to see if your guess was correct. This will help guide your intuition there.

What might /not/ be immediately obvious and something you can check is the mindset you put yourself in when you are putting pen to paper, and I can empathize with the scratchy drawings because I've consistently done that before.

You're doing this challenge not so that you can draw a bunch of boxes. You're doing it so you can improve your art, and improvement of your art will come from perspective growth (something you will ALREADY get out of the exercise) and general improvements of your headspace -- the decision to put intention to each mark.

Empathy over. improve your work in /all/ facets of its craft, or stay ignorant.

>>6455286
Same bro wgmi

>line art looks fine when zoomed out
>zoom in and it looks like shit
how do I fix?

>>6454640
>>6454645
>>6454701

Thanks anon-kuns. I'll mend the face /head before I upload it. Thanks very much for the critique!

>Just draw! Just try copying something you see!
>Less than 5 minutes in
>None of the proportions are right
>The straight line from the photo is impossible to get now since I somehow put the pieces together

absolute depression

>>6455346
We are gonna make it bro

haven't draw anything today so some super quick thumbnails before sleeping. 12 min total did anything end up recognizable?

>>6455375
Have you tried keys to drawing?

on a scale of /beg/ to /beg/ how /beg/ am i

>>6455438
High /beg/ until I saw the jacket now /mid/ beg

>>6454292
What the fuck am I doing wrong

I know it isn't perfect but it's hard to put into words what I did wrong.

A lot of the time when I draw bodies it ends up looking wrong like this but I'm not quite sure how to fix it. I'm practicing figure drawing right now and trying to get more into gesture.

Why do people recommend Proko? Or rather, what part of "Proko" are they recommending? The channel seems to be filled with a lot of consumable media in the form of interviews and shit that doesn't really teach me a damn thing.

>>6454292
There's nothing wrong, right?
I can proceed to the outlining now, right?

Please red line me if you found anything bad. It's frustrating to correct it after outlining

>>6455444
sexoo
>>6455518
Your face is alright but body not, she looks like she's wearing a human skin costume. Study some figures.
>>6455521
Take your time and try to finish it first, you just barerly drew anything.

Did some lines

>>6455544
>Study some figures.
Alright, thank you. Nice lines btw

Alright, I finished this.

I feel like the lines are off but don't know why. Would appreciate some critique.

Feeling a bit proud about this and need some humbling.

>>6455562
>I feel like the lines are off
well turn them on, I can't see anything

>>645556
I thought i attached it.

I want to be the first american anime political cartoonist

I'm a drawlet by my daughter seems to really love drawing
She's 6, so it's all pretty shit but she's way more interested in drawing than anything else at the moment
What can I do to foster/help her learn properly? I have been getting her tracing paper and lots of books with illustrations she likes but I dunno
Is she too young to learn proper drawing concepts considering neither I or her mum know shit about art and wouldn't know where to start with teaching her?

>>6455594
Get her one of those "how to draw anime books." She might get some use out of them.

I would stay clear from teaching her concepts yet. As it would overwhelm her and stop drawing completely. Teach her those concepts at an older age, maybe at 12 or 13 yr old.

does anyone have a good brush (for clip studio paint or photoshop) to make an effect like these wall stains? to make a simple background look less flat

>>6455163
Yea I can see what you mean, and thanks for the redline, I'll see what I can do
>Picrel is the reference photo I was using for the pose.

>>6455594
I ain't an expert or anything but im pretty sure the key at that age for getting good at something is just seeing to it that they continue to have fun with it and have positive reinforcement, like external reinforcement from you non-patronizingly complimenting her shit giraffes. That is at least until she's able to get that positive gratification from her own inner matrix. Really, enjoyment's the key for learning at any age but the great thing for kids that age is that they're too stupid to acknowledge the demoralizing reality outside of their own fun. So don't force her to sit through a 6 hour art theory lecture just yet and she'll probably continue to be motivated just by the joy of it. As well as as long as you continue to let her enjoy art in general(80% of the reason most of us are here is we liked and consumed a lot of comics, manga, anime, animated movies, etc)

If she sticks with it long enough then try to challenge her so she doesn't coast on "talent" but leaving that up to her own initiative is probably better for getting her to actual stick through and learn. So ya, get her some "how to draw anime" or similar low level children art books that she can choose to engage with or just enjoy the art of and maybe even one or so the basics 'big boy' art books so she can catch a glimpse at how high the ceiling really goes. Even if she does go "boring" and doesn't read it for 5 years.

Maybe others can give better suggestions but for a more "advanced" book, "Pen & Ink Drawing" by Alphonso Dunn, was one of the first i owned and i think it's visually pretty interesting and varied in subject so not completely boring to look through, as like say "Keys to Drawing" was for me, and the actual text itself touches broadly on a number of good beginner subjects. It's all line art though so idk if that's a good fit if she prefers like markers, colored pencils, etc. Bottom line, just don't force it, she's 6, kids like to draw and it probably won't last.

>>6455702
Yeah I agree.
Lol, imagine giving a 6-year Loomis to read haha

>it probably won't last.
Don't you say that. Don't you EVER say that again.

Inks done time for color

>>6455799
I love it anon

>>6455799
Do you have any material you've read about hatching / cross hatching? I'm curious to read some.

is the skin coloring fucked? any critique on the image before i continue?

>>6454292

>>6455861
where is the light coming from?

>>6455829
Thanks anon

>>6455830
I mostly learned in an evening art class how to use the dip pen. Look into getting books with reference pictures rather than instructionals is one strong advice

Now I have to disapoint you with my amateurish coloring

>>6455886
kind of in front of her

Turns out my IQ is too high for making art. Bye.

>Downloaded Marc Brunet's 1st term art school thing on the 1st
>Watched the first video for 5 minutes and haven't even opened up photoshop

I hate myself.

What's the best image search these days?
Google seems to be absolutely terrible for finding what I want

>>6455936
Some AI generator.

>>6455906
I think the coloring suits it. Gentle and doesn't detract from the linework.

>>6455936
Last time I tried reverse image searching something, all I got was a bunch of random Twitter pages.

hi begbros, i hope you had a good start into 2023.

>>6454724
i like the way you did the ships a lot!
>>6454807
>Short haired grils
licklick
>>6454840
i think the eyes do make it feel angry. i think there will be a lot of people seeing it, will be pointing out the execution of the whole piece.
>>6454936
you can do it anon, just don't ever let go of the pencil
>>6454968
i don't think they're bad at all anon.
>>6455004
they really came out well!
>>6455011
>(you)
>>6455799
nice
>>6455861
i'm not going to comment too much on this, since i'm still a beg, but i think there's a perspective issue on the upper torso. the meeting point of her breasts is too much to the right.
>>6455906
came out good!
>>6455594
>What can I do to foster/help her learn properly?
when i look back to when i was younger, i sometimes got expensive stuff which i ended up not using because it was too expensive to replace. now that i buy stuff myself for things i do, i never buy the best thing, i buy the stuff i can easily replenish/replace. i don't buy a nice 15$ sketchbook. i buy minimalist sketchbooks for $2-3, copy paper and have 20 of the same pencils at my desk. not saying you should buy her that, but my argument is that a scarcity mindset will put her off to actually draw.

so, i bought a wooden mannequin and stepped away from drawing portraits to focus more on my forms and gestures and drawing bigger parts of the body. i've been wondering why my drawings came out better with a mechanical pencil and i think it's because it glides better and so my lines get looser. currently trying to transfer this feeling to normal pencils. also have been more focused on showing planes and less silhouettes.

>>6455594
make it a game, make it a real tool for her to express and understand the world.

Study school subjects with her and draw them example red blood cell carrying oxygen package. in geometry teach her how to draw to a vanishing point and shadowing dont make it boring by explaining every step just draw, monkey sees monkey do.

>>6455861
add more loose edges, be mindful of her right shoulder, blend better second shade into first one.

I practiced loomis circle thing and ended making this sketch out of it. Was thinking about finishing it. Bandana was surprisingly annoying to draw, I wonder if hair would've been easier to do.

Does it look okay? hoping it doesn't look flat

>>6455906
Nice, you really went hard with it, what brand of watercolour? Really liked seeing the progression
>>6455954
Good start Bro, keep the good work!
>>6455544
A bit stiff, specially around the hands, I would suggest giving more variety to the lineart (some thicker lines, some thiner) so it accentuates form)


Day 4 of pencil rendering, this time thinking in going in with Ink as well. I'm having so much fun w/ rendering by pencil.

>>6455985
>what brand of watercolor
I use W&N on 100% cotton hot press paper, and Rohrer & Klingner zeichentusche ink. Thanks for your kind compliments

>>6455942
Thanks anon

>>6455985
I was so caught up with myself that I forgot to comment on your drawing. Love the rendering anon, the texture of the pants and musculature are great. Maybe her lower legs and feet are a tad small? It happens to me when I sit down to draw on a horizontal surface, the perspective becomes skewed and when you stand up the head and upper body is larger than they looked when drawing

>>6455020
>>6455163
Okay I changed it up to try and match closer to your redline and yea I think this looks alot better, so thanks for that, I'll probably re-do the line art because now it's barely legible from all the fudging around I had to do to fix the legs.

>>6455123
>perspective and basic shapes are intermediate level
This is all wrong. Drawabox should be at the very highest tier.

>>6456038
Seconding the legs looking short because long legged women are hot

>>6455923
Incredibly fake tits

>>6456022
>I use W&N on 100% cotton hot press paper

My man, they look very very nice, do you have the student grade or the profesional? I'm also in love with Ink+Watercolour and use W&N, but the student grade w/ 46 colour palette.

Besides that lovely work anon, you've earned a fan if by any chance you have porfolio/socials/blog?

>>6456038
>Love the rendering anon, the texture of the pants and musculature are great
Thanks! I just recently got into pencil art, usually preffer doing other stuff like ink/watercolour.
>lower legs and feet are a tad small?
>the perspective becomes skewed
Yeah perspective is fking killing me

>>6455594
DO NOT MAKE FUN OF HER DRAWINGS WHEN I WAS THAT AGE I STARTED DRAWING POKEMON AND MY OLDER SIBLINGS MADE FUN OF ME AND I NEVER DREW AGAIN UNTIL I WAS 20

It's strange how much who you are influences your doodles even when you're doing them without really thinking.

>>6456100
I use the artist grade ones. I think you can still get good and great result with the student paints though. Dont have socials but the fact that you asked makes me feel warm inside anon, wagmi

>>6454574
>>6454575
Thumbnails is really simplistic representations to see how the composition would look
It's mostly done in the mind.
You can go as detailed and as many colors as you want but it's to get a quick feel of the composition and wether the image you have in your head works.
Although I've seen alot use grayscales.

>>6456167
Get yourself one anon, keep an archive of your progression, you will generate a following plus motivates your improvement overtime

This year I'm also getting one, I'm feeling it this is the year of gains! wagmi

Anyone else use line of action for figure refs? They're mostly really nice and varied, nude men and women about equally. But there's this one old coot perv, who poses nude, is like 60+, and is always fucking hard in the pictures. Absolutely disgusting, I always skip that shit.

>>6455444
>>6455544
hot
>>6455870
cute

how do I learn to draw western comics?

Next up doing a wicked witch out for a stroll, on her way to charge up the fertility bone with bad magic

>>6456245
Would adding a bit more flab to her right arm work out for your idea?

>start drawing hands and feet instead making them blocky in figure drawing
>they start looking better and better
So thats how it works huh

>>6456259
wdym making them blocky helps drawing them?

>>6456261
I meant doing this and leaving it at that instead of trying to draw the fingers and knuckles and stuff

The quality of help and discussion definitely improved since /beg/ and /int/ were merged, but I'm sad to see there is far less really /beg/ posts appearing. The quality of advice definitely improved, but I think some /beg/s are insecure and scared off by the nicer works, even though when there is a /beg/ post people are nice.

>>6455518
Theres a lot of things wrong, but to sum up you lack lots of fundies like anatomy and gesture, and some coomposition too, anyways, these arms look like noodles with almost zero form, pose looks very stiff, the tits look more like male inflamated male pecs rather than breast, breast are not attached from the pits.

please study some anatomy some coomposition and some gesture in that order, you are making the RezeCHADS look bad uuuuugghhhhh..............

How should I draw the top of her ass? I tried following the ref but it seems like it flows into the torso with no line separating it. I tried drawing a half line to suggest the shape

>>6456278

>>6455375
my issue with guides that tell newbies to "Just draw!" is that most people new to drawing that are reading the guides are probably older and have the intention to improve their drawing skills. they're more conscious of mistakes which is really hard to get used to. i personally almost got filtered by being unable to make a straight line after hours of practice, like it seems so simple and i've made lines with a pencil all my life, why is it so difficult? i think starting with drawing simple, natural things like rocks, sticks, and dead trees are the best start since those naturally have imperfections so your own imperfect lines and shading will still result in something that looks like a rock or a stick. i think a lot of people naturally start with trying to draw things like human faces which are pretty complicated and any issues will be immediately apparent

>>6455936
I just use Pinterest myself

>>6456278

>>6455375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7f3JZJHSw
While this video isn't about drawing, it is about learning something you're unfamiliar with. Even very simple tasks are a challenge to the inexperienced. I've played a lot of games over the course of my life, so it gave me a new perspective on learning a completely new skill.

>>6456305
this sacrum, think in shape, plane, slope changes

Just thought of an exercise for /beg/s like me. Pretty fun! Just twist a box and place cylinders around it.

>>6456262
I see.

>>6456275
Not the anon you responded to but I just want to say thank you. I can feel how much you want other to succeed and how kind you are. You are a good person and the world is a better place with you in it.

For now it's better I focus on proportions and forms/angles before going straight to the muscles as a whole right? 15 minutes btw

I'm trying to draw a lot more, so far I've just been recreating various images I like, using them as references, and I'm able to do a pretty good job of making them look realistic if I take my time. I've been doing zero "guiding lines" like you see everyone do, like circles for the head and perspective lines that you erase later. I'm fine with this, but it seems like any beginner artist is supposed to do that. I feel like doing that often makes the drawing come out cartoony and exaggerated, even if it does help you learn certain fundamentals about form. Anyone else do things this way, just very precise recreation based on what your eye perceives?

>>6454292
another figure drawing

>>6456305
Thanks I think I'm gonna retry it
>>6456279
I don't know what this means

derusting with a couple of 3 minute quickposes

>>6456381
>Anyone else do things this way, just very precise recreation based on what your eye perceives?
i have been doing this recently as a /beg/ but i'm trying to move away from that so that i can draw from imagination more readily if i need to draw without a reference

>>6456257
I already put the ink down when I saw your message anon

Anyway here it is inked. Gonna color it tomorrow

How hard are dip pens to work with? Looking for something to ink with. I've tried brush pens, felt tip, and india ink + brush. Brush pens were my favorite of the 3, the felt tip felt fuzzy and I didn't like that it was uniform thickness, and the brush meant I had to be full focus at all times if I wanted to consistent thin lines. Lost my brush pens and trying to decide between buying a new set or going with dip pens.

I just noticed how fucked her torso it and tried to save it with the lasso tool but for some reason on CSP if i try to move the selected area it keeps the original and it becomes a mess. I can't find anything online about this does anybody have a solution?

>>6456434
chin too small, forehead too big

>>6456381
Heads are not circles. Watch Steve Hustons head lesson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>6456440
Of all the options you have with digital art, you chose to make it look like a cheap ballpoint pen. Why?

>>6456434
face is still about to fall off.

>>6456448
It feels nice to sketch like that because digital feels so unnatural so far, the lineart will be neater

I'm getting better at perspective irrespective of any particular method - just using a lot of refs and drawing them over and over again instead of doing construction. I think I've been improving a lot, but.. Am I tunneling myself into a hole and will have to rethink everything at some point or can I just keep going with refs?

>>6456457
>I'm getting better at perspective
No proof. You're useless & NGMI

>>6456461
If you're new to a skill, progress and improvement is obvious. I don't need to post my terrible drawings to prove anything.

>>6456275
Ah shit. I've mostly been studying the head only, but guess I gotta switch it up to the whole body's anatomy ASAP. THANK YOU MAN!!!

>>6456473
use refs, by the time you are done with anatomy, csm will be long finished

>>6456477
csm?

>>6456498
chen so man

Do the colors look good together?

>>6455530
The perspective and anatomy don't really make sense. Study it more. You should fully draw both figures on top of each other to make sure they make contact correctly. Also it looks like she's wearing a breastplate because you didn't draw the boobs resting on the ribcage

I think I'm starting to become a perma /beg/

>>6456545
Why?

>>6456548
I tried drawing from imagination and I got extremely angry at how bad it turned out

i think the shading on the body looks good, but something about face really bothers me and a dont know why?

help please?

>>6456551
But it's better than if you drew from imagination in the past, right? Keep working. Remember how it looked, the first time you drew a head, or arms, or hands? And how much better it looks now?

>>6456477
Gotcha. Gambatte!

>>6456559
>i think the shading on the body looks good
it doesn't

Guys, where do you draw the line between using references and tracing?

>>6456572
can you point out the similarities between the 2 for me?

>>6456572
They are two completely different things.

>>6456572
Either is fine for practice purposes, but if you're selling it or anything, you shouldn't copy either through reference or tracing.

>>6456572
Tracing: copying (tracing) lines directly from the source drawing, most often by lowering opacity
References: interpreting what you see and creating something different
>>6456583
Every single artist who sells art uses references. Nobody has a perfect memory.

>>6456583
Referencing =/= copying

>>6456583
Tracing is terrible for practice

>>6456584
I said you shouldn't copy. Using references is fine but you shouldn't be copy your reference one for one and sell it. You ought to have made significant changes from the reference.

>>6456587
Oh, sure, you did write that. Fair enough anon

>>6456559
the shading is inconsistent imo. the right arm shows light is coming directly from the left since the front of the right deltoid is dark compared to the delt itself, the left arm is being illuminated front, and the torso seems to be illuminated from the right since the left bicep is casting a shadow on the left pec

>>6456586
Depends on the purpose I'd imagine. Like copying linework to paint on top of seems fine.
>>6456585
You can copy references, however, which is what I was saying.

>>6456559
the eyes are a bit high, I think

>>6456545
perma beg is an excuse people came up with to justify giving up, forget about the concept entirely

>>6456572
I think this one sums it up the best:

>>6456584
>Tracing: copying (tracing) lines directly from the source drawing, most often by lowering opacity
>References: interpreting what you see and creating something different

Thank you.

Good grief.
I've always been on guard on /ic/ because of all the pathetic crabs, but looks like there ARE some decent people in here after all

>>6456091
this has nothing to do with "intermediate artists" it has to do with intermediate skill in copying and DAB has nothing to do with copying or observational ability--at least the useful parts of it

also, i have found it is better for a beginner to learn how to copy before they learn perspective or how to draw a box in order to avoid frustration in the future, the way copying is downplayed for a typical artist is to his detriment as most artists copy in some way or another

here is the lesson plan i would typically recommend if you're an acttual absolute beginner
>line control and shapes (first lesson of DAB)
>observational ability (that infographic above)
>perspective (marshall vandruff and D'amelio)
>form (haven't found a good one yet)
>else

>>6456259
>>6456262
yea for some reason blocky hands just looks better than anything else

Holy shit bros I did a gesture I'm genuinely happy with.

>>6456629
I still need to exaggerate more but there is rhythm

>>6456629
Legs are too short, but you're getting there Anon-kun

>>6456624
nice, from imagination?

>>6456570
could you tell me some ways to fix it/any general critiques on the shading then?

>>6456584
>>6456587
Ok I have a question on this, is this different enough from the ref or will people accuse me of “cheating”. I mean I’m trying to make something with them but I want it to basically be this exact pose and proportions. Did typical construction to get here ignore the shoulders but I’m basically fiddling around until the shape is similar enough. I guess I’m not sure what you mean by “different from ref” isn’t the point of a ref to see how accurately you can translate the shapes from visual observation

>>6456642
This is completely fine, you're interpreting a lot there.

Thoughts?

>>6456642
Hey, could you post the ref pic in full res?

>>6456646
Glad to hear I’m already beg so the last thing I want is to be accused of tracing or cheating on top of that
>>6456649
Yoursandmyhotwife or mypawgwifepics on tumblr. If you like drawing ‘ideal women’ there are so many good refs in those two blogs

>>6456648
And prayers.

I just finished vilppus manual and all the lectures should I go to loomis's figure drawing books. I want to start drawing anime girls this year

>>6456656
Yes

>>6456437
Anybody?

>>6456441
>>6456449
I'm trying

Is this a good way to method to copy and add someone to your visual library?
>find something
>analyze it
>draw from reference
>make sure it's as accurate as possible
>draw again from imagination
>analyze and compare to reality
>draw it again for a final time
Or does anyone have a better method?

>>6454701
Thank you very much! you're spot-on with the description. I'll work on making future girls skinnier and cuter

>>6456437
It took me about a year to learn how to dip pen, and even after a year I can only complete an ink drawing, but its like 10% of my competency with a micron. I’d say they are pretty hard to learn. Micron being the easiest. Ink and brush being the hardest. The consistency of the ink and the type of paper make a huge difference in what is achievable with dip pen.

Some general tips
- clean your nib between each dip
- try lots of different papers, cheap paper can tear and bleed so doing detailed work is hard. Water color paper can be too textured so doing detailed work is hard
- change your nib often especially if you arent using the zebra gold nibs or if you are about to use an old nib that you havent used in over a month.
- add water to your ink if its too thick, let your ink air out for a few days if it is too thin. Thick ink pools on the nib and it ‘whiffs’ and no lines are made. Thin ink bleeds on the paper.
- dirty nibs wont draw and the ink pools on the nib and wont run. Clean with soapy water and / or use a lighter to burn off the oils. Don’t touch the nib with your fingers, use pliers.
- if you are right handed work from left to right and top to bottom to avoid smearing
- use a shot glass or something for the ink to avoid contamination
- get a feel for the direction you can draw in. nibs dont like moving side to side or making up strokes like you can with a micron or brush. They only pull down, so commit to rotating the paper instead of shortcutting and pushing the nib.
- move fast, don’t linger or you will get line tremors and pooled ink

Dip pen takes quite a bit of finesse to get it right. It’s basically adding a 3rd dimension to your inking since you now have x, y and z (pressure) for line weight.

>>6456591
>>6456589
Heres the updated version. imo i think i fixed the issues you guys had with the original pic. What yall think?

>>6456723
ignore this one, heres the actual new version.

>>6456728
The way you render makes him look like an Eren Yeager titan.
Question: Where is the light source for your picture?

>>6456728
look at how obliques and abs work, i dont think these kinds of sharp forms exist
your shading is good - great, even - but your anatomy of the torso needs some more work

Trying to finish up the examples in the head section from Hampton so I can move on
Still fucking up eyes

>>6456741
>>6456728
The lines that protrude from the abdominals do exist on low bodyfat men with muscular obliques. The issue is the character doesn't have a serratus or a latissimus dorsi.

Damn, hour perishable is this skill? I haven't drawn much in a week and a half and I'm shittier than ever! I'm not even going to post the crap I drew today.

>>6456693
Jawlet

>>6456776
You do lose a bit of skill if you don't do it consistently, but you recover pretty quickly in my experience. I actually find that breaks help my brain metabolize what I've learned.

>>6456719
Thank you anon. I think I will stick with brush pens for the time being since I am still trying to learn more or less all other aspects of drawing.

>>6454351
>>6454701
based cirno, she looks super cute. Her bowtie looks a bit stiff and eyes might need some more details, unless you're going for the trance eye look.

>>6454970
Super nice clothes, I like the line confidence with the small opague once size brush!

>>6455870
very cute, nice forms, looks almost 3d. Nice choice to shade with halftones/screentones. I like really like her hair curls.

Some sketches for the 50% rule. Mostly just makes me want to study Bridgman. Tried using a carpenters pencil.

>>6456871
I don’t recall ever seeing a finished artwork from (You) in the 2 years I’ve been here lmao.

>>6456648
Decent work. Range of value is small, no strong shadows. Horns just look like they've been tacked on, put in as an after thought, hair doesn't fall around them or anything.

>>6456525
Colours look ok, part of me wants to see you use the wing color for the hair as well.

>>6456749
>>6456741
>>6456738
>>6456749
>>6456741
>>6456738
heres the updated version thats applied/edited to all of your critiques. is there soemthing else im missing?

>>6456887
I don't recall (you) ever posting your work in those two years either. Kek.

>>6456922
You don't even know who he is

>>6456887
maybe he just doesn't post it here or maybe he does and you can't tell idk. I hope people aren't actually just autistically drawing things like this for years without actually producing anything

>>6456942
It's the same doodle schizo that never posts his work and seems to hold this weird grudge. I've had this exact same conversation 3 times already.

Oc here you go.

continuing to practice faces! i know this is still off but i’m doing much better than i used to!

tried using my finger to smudge the pencil for rendering. never done that before

I ended up coloring it and lining it. I used a different kind of brush for the line art than I usually do.

Probably the least amount of time I've spent on a drawing. I think it's just because it's just a profile shot

>>6456994
please read keys to drawing

Is there something I can improve upon?

>>6457013
cute

>>6456970
Damn.

>>6457013
okay this made me laugh for some reason but it feels like 3 different pictures stuck together than one whole one

>>6457026
Yeah I didn't know how to place them all lol.... Gotta work on perspective I guess

>>6457014
Thanks!

>>6457012
nah i’m working through drawabox and spending my free time drawing things i wanna and practicing stuff like faces :)

>>6456172
How you do the thumbnail is interesting. I must try that. Thanks fellow drawfriend! :3

Any critique on the thigh muscle?

>>6457073
head feels off,
can you draw where the buttocks would be?

Can see some errors but was a fun exercise

Ok I think the lining on this is just about done. A little fan art. Anything I should change. My eyes can’t see mistakes anymore

>>6456533
Thanks
Looks much better now

Time to outline, I guess

>>6456911
theres tons of shit wrong, but the leg and the arms are the biggest fuck ups, is the leg in the right forshortened? the other foot should be smaller the one thats behind it looks off otherwise, the brachioradialis in the forearm is atached to the side of the biced up in the humerous, the for of the overall muscles in the arm look relaxed or unnecessary detailed when the other areas are just simplified like the bicep, delts and forearm muscles in the right arm also theres no elbow there kek, neither ribcage silhuete or adonis belt etc....

tldr.... Roomis and anatomy for sculptors ughh....

>>6457096
add the tit squish retard it looks like the hand is clipping throught it

>>6457099
I also forgot the shoulder

>>6457099
>>6457096
I'll go outline now, I guess

>>6455985
Step 2 Inking almost complete, Idk I'll add background work or not tho, I'm happy withit so far, any suggestion on background?

>>6457109
Please just finish your drawing, it's been almost 2 weeks!

a bit of greyscale to color practice.

>>6457153
greyscale only

>>6457153
sorry it looks flat to me

>>6456642
There's nothing actually wrong with tracing, so long as it works.

>>6457146
>2 weeks!
I started at Dec 28, got locked with holiday crap, and got back just yesterday.

Real time is just 4 days, mate

Starting today at the the age of 32. someone pray for me.

>>6457190
2 months dude just Finnish it

>>6457190
Okay man, just saying

>>6457190
been working on it since last year? jesus christ dude finish the damn piece or abandon it

>>6457012
t. tranime artist

>>6456693

>>6457190
4 days is still too fucking much, you're a fuck-up, get your grip together Anon-kun

>>6457252
Let people work at their own pace, mate.

does anyone have a good brush (for clip studio paint or photoshop) to make an effect like these wall stains? to make a simple background look less flat

>>6457202
baffling post

>>6455123
>Wire drawing
Where can i get more info about this

>>6457296
you can see what they mean on the picture. what they do is drawing in single line without breaking

>>6456440
I have no idea have you tried cutting and pasting the selection in a new layer?
>>6457192
Good luck.
>>6457277
Maybe try one of those wet brushes and fuck with opacity and layer mode like overlay

AI has killed my motivation to not be perm beg

>>6457398
Is that good?

>>6457426
What can I improve, /ic/?

What can I improve, /ic/?

>>6457443
you're going to need to draw about 50,000 more cubes

>>6457443

>>6457443
Draw the rest.

>>6457462
Holy kek

>>6457445
Haha

>>6457462
>>6457468
I don't get it

>>6457464
The colors? Because I want it to remain cropped that way

>>6457012
Could you redline it for me?

More krenz gold fIsh to practice shape accuracy and practice simplification but just cant resist adding those serrations on the fins

Watched the vids on making studies linked in the OP
If I'm not an aspiring concept artist or trying to make a sketchbook should I still stick to the idea of one subject matter per week and have them getting gradually harder like rocks>roots>skulls>bugs etc?

>>6457582
Whatever gets you drawing.

Scribbled this from half reference for the muscles and half imagination for the pose, I need some crits on how I can fix the thing and what might be improved upon, since I know there's something off and can't point it out myself
It's supposed to be a female form fyi, just left out the obvious cues like hair as a challenge

>>6457443
In general I think you need to start from the beginning and learn your basic forms. For this particular piece I think if you changed the angles so its not just a vertical line down it would look more interesting

>>6454292
I mainly do art for my music. Anyways to improve

>>6457582
Just draw bro. Try to identify your mistakes by referencing other art and real life material but just fucking draw whatever it is that got you interested in drawing in the first place.

If you start out with stuff like cubes and grindy exercises you’ll quickly lose interest. However if you start drawing and build a habit of actually enjoying it, grindy stuff becomes a lot less daunting and almost enjoyable.

>>6457630
I think the torso looked too long. So I widened the whole picture, I lassoed the head to unwidened it and make it bigger, and I shuffled the features of the head and ear around a little. I do not know my back anatomy, hip area, and shoulder stuff, someone else have to chime in there.

>>6457251
Bretty gud

>>6457693
Thanks for the crits mate, made some fixes and shuffled some of the bulges around
I guess I wasn't curving the lower body or making the head-shoulder proportions small enough for the feminine appearance, feel free to tack on some more crits if y'all see anything off still

>>6457088
the reference left boob is also misplaced

>>6457649
Holy fuck, you totally mogged me. Looks amazing desu.
Yeah I agree, I'm currently studying arms :) but it's not enough... It's never even ti study!!

Time for a new thread.

New thread

>>6457863
>>6457863
>>6457863

New thread

>>6457865
>>6457865
>>6457865

>>6457867
hey I just made a new thread. :\

>>6457879
sorry I didn't see it, but it's okay the more the merrier

>>6457902
No it's not fucking "okay", you've separated people who want to see the same thing. You've made things more complicated. You fucked it up. And now you want to repaint it as "okay"?
Fuck you.