/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6440328
self hatred

Because right now I'm masturbating so that I can finally fall asleep.

>>6440328
Immortal Empires, I wanna draw but the nation calls...

>>6440328
I guess that really my problem
Im scared, both of failure and of being made fun of
But also, too much shit happened in my life, which made me pretty miserable. In a way, i feel like i lost the "happy child soul" that i used to have. That makes coming up with cool/fun ideas pretty hard, and have the will to finish those ideas is even harder

>>6440328
why aren't you drawing instead of phoneposting? also if you're not as good as talez i don't wanna hear it lmao

I don't actually know how to draw. I just brute force every line with trial and error. I don't have any ideas or any message to say. I just stare at a blank tab on my computer all day thinking what to draw. Like how did this guy in the op get away with drawing two black ovals for eyes. That's not what my fucking loomis book told me to do. Why does he get to draw chicken scratch but I get in trouble if I do? I'm just tired. Tired of drawing

>>6440328
Fixed the image for you

>>6440426
That's why you draw as much as you can while having a job and hope one of your manga ideas become popular enough so you can do it fulltime.
Nobody on the internet expects professional-level art for your manga except you.
Drop your ego and simplify your artstyle so it doesn't take you weeks to draw a single chapter.
Maybe start with a simple short comic that's like 2-4 pages a chapter.
Look at the author of one punch man. He probably did his shittily drawn webcomic as a fun side-hobby until it suddenly became super fucking successfull.
Stop being a doomer and don't put all your eggs in one basket.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

>>6440426
>cope cope cope
what did anon mean by that?

>>6440442
>>6440450
post your manga

>>6440328
I'm playing vidya and contributing to open source AI.

Because i don't feel like it

>>6440466
I don't even want to make manga, I do illustrations and i don't cope with le "I'm not good enough", if you idea is good your comic will be noticed no matter how poorly drawn it is

>>6440328
I was working on a secret santa gift but I'm taking a break. It isn't coming out right and I'm getting frustrated.

>>6440328
I have to shitpost in this thread fool

I wish I lived in Japan. Nobody else wants artists

>>6440328
Because I just did

I don't know how to make the leap from "I have never drawn anything" to "I am really bad at drawing." I've never had an intuitive grasp of how to just draw things, so I didn't draw as a kid and have literally zero experience outside of grinding some exercises.

>>6440328
what should I draw?

-I have no idea yet
-I'm not professional tier level
-work comes first, need to make money
-A.I. threat looming on the horizon

is it even worth the effort at this day and age?

>>6440494
that's what I thought

>>6440586
cope all you want, the only person you are fooling here is nobody else but yourself, in a few years machines will make drawings exactly as you imagine them in your brain, will you keep coping? is your idea worth it or deep down you know you can't compete?

>>6440589
>talks shit about manga but doesn't do it
>a.i fag
You are cancer and don't reply to me or anything manga related ever again.

>>6440328
I want to draw manga, but it just feels like a massive hurdle and once I get down to trying to draw sequential images everything just feels horribly off. And I have no idea how to even make it work properly.

>>6440426
Most my favorite manga is actually drawn on pixiv and only became serialized after it was extremely popular.
The doujin market is huge in Japan, and doujin isn't just for fan porn its just self published works in general and often time its much superior to everything being serialized.

In relation to fag comics, you see it a lot with yaoi and yuri where the doujin market making one-shots and short running series for comikets is where the real fandom exists while the serialized stuff tends to be pretty bad.

>>6440603
That is nice but I'm a westcuck so I have to live in the world of shitty graphic novels who can't make comics worth a shit

>>6440605
I mean you can just read uploads of the good doujins.

Webtoons also gets lots of shit but there's a few good gems on there and its really just a matter of finding them.

>>6440608
When it comes to making your own though, no matter how good it is I'm not convinced of the opportunities in the west for anything materialising.

>>6440609
Well just do it as a hobby then?
Webtoons still exist and has a large audience. Pretending to be Japanese works on occassion and many of the main manga companies to reach out to western artists periodically for variety sake. SJ regularly has competitions for westerners to submit their comics.

Oglaf has been going on for years and its just a shitty webtoon that google even blocks from searching.

>>6440590
What a fucking retard, Jesus Christ

>>6440328
IM SORRY, I JUST DONT KNOW FUCKING HOW LIKE HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW SOMETHING GOOD??????

>>6440328
got sick on the 23rd
recovering still

>>6440548
You sound incredibly pathetic if you think A.I is a genuine threat to artists, and listing not being professional tier level?? Obviously you aren't at that level if you aren't drawing a lot, dumbass

Draw?

>>6441325

I just did. Posted in the bocci thread lol

>>6440608
sauce?

whaty the point in drawing if everything I draw is shitty and souless

>>6440328
I've just finished for today

I started a drawing every day challenge on Christmas. Never got anywhere with these, but I'm trying a bit harder this time. At least half an hour of a focused effort every day instead of just browsing 4chan and social media until I fall asleep in my bed may make my life slightly less pathetic, if only in my own eyes.

>>6441355
Sounds like you should give up and go away.

>>6441355
soul is the emotions. you probably should watch a movie/game or do basicly anything that would make you feel anything. dont be tranny consumed by cringe and procrastination. be strong and happy

>>6441528
never said I was a troon

>>6440608
This is neither the right board nor the right thread, but I haven't been using webtoon and I've caught interest in webcomics lately. Could you namedrop one or two?

>>6441327
Hushabye valley

>>6440426
wow, its good that all those mangaka were being paid since birth for their scribbles
otherwise they wouldnt draw at all!

>>6440328
I am in pain

I can't draw from imagination, reference I gathered is all shit and it's anime stuff on top of that, so I won't learn the form from it and I cannot focus enough to get proper material.

my drawings are tehcnically okay but they're soulless and I dont know how to be interested in my art

>>6442074
Prompts, NOW!

>>6440328
Too late right now. I'm going to bed soon. If I draw any lewds now, I'll have wet dreams then regret it afterwards. I gotta stop eating so late.

>>6440426
Why are you on /ic/? You definitely don't care about art so why are you here?

>>6440426
Drawing comics is very fun, try it. I do it knowing I will never get anything back from it. Drawing comics is an unique experience and internally very rewarding. I don't know how to explain it but it opens up a new world and is an entire journey it itself that drawing still images cannot compare to. I agree it is very time-consuming so I started writing prose too knowing I won't be able to draw everything I want to in comics.

>>6441882

>>6440328
i do, in fact i do art daily

Okay, different subject, once you actually HAVE a comic done and drawn, where exactly do you go to upload it? What format should you use?

>>6440341
I used to play the tabletop game a lot when it was still a thing and I really want to like the Total War games but I always get so unbelievably bored by turn 10 and I've never made it farther than that into a game.

>>6440328
i did like yesterday. i'm gonna go sleep and wake up around noon and draw all afternoon leave me alone

>>6440328
who's the artist who drew this?

>>6440514
The love for artist in Japan is unreal. As long as you showing your effort and speaking Japanese, there are always a nips will support you with commission and advertising.

>>6440328
I'm working:(

>>6440514
I'm impressed with how much disdain people treat artists in the west. I've heard "artoid" and "drawslave" a lot lately. If you put effort in something here and don't make huge bucks then you are a nerd and a cuck I guess.

>>6444454
Funny they call others -toids and slaves while also being the same to system they live under. Although, artists probably have it better in europe than americuck

>>6441795
Did I say Mangaka wouldn't draw at all? I said they wouldn't make Manga if they didn't get paid. If this is too many words for you, try sounding it out in your head.

>>6442122
I care about art, I was making reasonable points. Were you the hall monitor in school? Other people secretly dislike you

>>6442149
I have done comics for 6 years, I'm so glad you get a fuzzy feeling from it.

>>6440328
I want to but I don't, I don't know why. Help!

>>6440328
I've been drawing for the last 10 hours (with breaks added in)

>>6440514
>>6444454

I often feel like a retard but people like you two make me feel better. Thank you.

>>6440426
black pill

I just spent the day drawing, now it's time for sleep.

>>6440328
>Why aren’t you drawing, anon.

>NETFLIX

I start watching a new tv show, and suddenly all my motivation to draw is gone

>INB4 NGMI

I don't care, this shit is just a hobby.

>>6440328
Pretty much wrapped up for the year. Spending the last few days of 2022 relaxing.
My goal this year was to get at least 4+ full drawings each month, which was successful.
Managed to reach 7 for Nov, and 8 for Dec.

>>6440426

>If I made some bullshit webtoon about being a fag love or some shit then maybe but the odds are slim!!

>Webtoon

>Almost 2023

I'm sorry anon, but webtoons won't give any money to westoids starting in 2023.

>CANVAS Creator Rewards Program Extended into January 2023

>>6445161
>Were you the hall monitor in school? Other people secretly dislike you
Was that an attempt to sound mean? You don't seem to be that type of person, don't go down that way. There is nothing to gain from it.
> I was making reasonable points
Making manga doesn't mean you have to work on the same title for the next 20 years. You can still draw one-shots or doujins to share your ideas. That's what a lot of people do.

>>6441528
>you probably should watch a movie
>dont be tranny

>>6441597
>never said I was a troon

I'm gonna watch a tranny movie, and I hope that I don't feel anything.

>>6444454
>I'm impressed with how much disdain people treat artists in the west. I've heard "artoid" and "drawslave" a lot lately.

>>6444458
>Funny they call others -toids and slaves while also being the same

>THIS

Unless you're a NEET, your own boss, or rich, you're a slave, and a cuck.

>>6440426

>>6445161
I think not having any expectations of making it or something along those lines makes comic making satisfying for me. Cause of that I find a lot of solace and meditation in the solitude nature of drawing comics. I just learn so much from drawing comics and I think it has helped me build more character making me much more disciplined, resolute, and patient. Drawing comics made me realize what I lack in art and how many of my bad art habits are a reflection of my own flaws as a person, one example being my impatient nature. Drawing comics is like reflecting on oneself.

Do you really get better from "just drawing"? I could probably do that everyday but I don't think it'll help. It's the studying/mental effort that makes drawing difficult for me.

>>6445952
Yes and no. You won’t magically learn new skills by just drawing. But you’ll build up many of the required prerequisites to drawing like hand eye coordination, focus, understanding of the process, visual recognition, etc…
Theyre the time consuming skills that you can’t be taught by reading a book. And until you actually put in the physical time drawing and gain those skill you’ll be dogshit no matter how much you study or however many books you read.

Just drawing is an absolute necessity to gitting gud and it will improve your baseline abilities. But it won’t reach you new concepts by itself until you bother learning them.

what's the point anymore .............

>draw for 6 hours
>its complete shit
>what did I learn?
>notthing
this is the worst feeling in the world

>>6440328
But I am.

>>6444356
conto aka poderdohokuto

>>6440328
Because AI generated art is better.

just finished drawing 100 circles and 100 spheres for that Brent Eviston course, so it’s something

>>6441319
well, I have to agree with this>>6445698, there's no point in improving anymore, so many artist have gotten ahead of me and I'm very late to the trend, even with all the time, effort, assets, and books, it will not help, my art quality is just D level compared to more pros who have A+ level of quality and style, not also factoring the appearance of A.I. that even added to the pressure

drawing art is no more than just common now and will have little value as it will devolve to being just consumer product, its best that I put down my pen and just stop this delusion that I will make it, I'd just give up and find a better hobby than this, or maybe even embrace the A.I. tech if it will help me better

>>6440328
i have no confidence in my abilities

>>6446141
it's over

>>6440426
>he doesn't like drawing

>>6446124
Cope

>>6446124
Does it feel worse than swallowing your dads hot load while he fondles your balls?

>>6446167
ask your wife

There we go now it's really like I'm back in the /vent/ threads baby when do the schizos arrive to talk about anything other than art

>>6445698
>NETFLIX

>This

>>6445698
watch and draw at the same time.

>>6440426
>retard is forcing himself to do a hobby he doesn't like
Every time

i used to draw. i stopped because it wasn't fun anymore. plus there's nothing special about it when anyone can just learn it if they dedicate enough time to it. what's the point when there are so many artists out there gaining all the traction by spamming the hell out of the same filtering techniques and nobody really cares about some cool basic lineart that anyone can do? what's the point when everyone is better? the personal enjoyment novelty wears off after a while too.

>>6440442
>>6440450
>>6440589
>>6440628
>>6441795
>>6445798
>>6445845
Ok, original poster of the edit. You're right, I suck. And yes, this was pure copium on my part. I am sorry for being a faggot. I wish you all the best.

>>6445676
Sorry for the blackpill, I hope my post didn't detract from your desire to draw or do Manga. Ganbatte anon

>>6440514
learn Japanese and move there! Look up the refold method of learning Japanese!

>>6440426
like I dont get it. Do npcs have spontaneous thoughts to do things? Are they incapable or rational acts?

>>6447827
> plus there's nothing special about it when anyone can just learn it if they dedicate enough time to it.
Let me know when you find a skill that no one else can learn but you lol lmao

>>6447827
if all you can do is "lineart" your lineart probably sucks and you're garbage and that's why nobody cares.

>>6440328
I just finished drawing my crush and I'm ashamed about it.

>>6440328
I want this to be my last drawing of 2022

I just can't see myself getting good. All I want to do is become a decent artist and upload manga on pixiv or something. But because I am lazy and practice inconsistently I have been stuck as a beg for three years. I keep thinking "This is a skill people make a living off of. If it were that easy then everyone else would've done it already." and lose all motivation to draw. Other people's success feels inapplicable to me because they've usually went to art school, have been drawing since childhood, are able to practice for hours everyday, or have worked jobs that force you to improve (Manga assistant, ETC).

>>6450553
makes me feel like I came to the wrong neighborhood

>>6450553
also I'm interested in your process, I don't know the first thing about digital art and am usually not interested, but there's some interesting things here.
The tippy-top of the left dude's hat has this like perfect rectangle with another part jutting out. The really clean and perfect looking symmetry on the right-dude's helmet. That inhumanly good swooping line of his cloak.
Some nice details all over, especially with their shoes. What looks kind of sloppy at first turns out to look pretty careful.

how the fuck do you start
I'm pacing around the room looking for anything to do besides draw

>>6440328
pain broke my routine at a crucial point and now i cant get back into it without it feeling like a chore

>>6450910
make it a routine.
always draw at X time for Y amount of time.

>>6450910
weed or alcohol
but not both

>>6440426
10 whole pages a week? that's quite whitepilling.

>>6440328
I only draw when I'm feeling very lonely which doesn't happen that often.

>>6440328
I am in a room with my sister

>>6440603
Most of the serialized shit are either another generic isekaishit or whatever trending anyway, like villainess reincarnation.

>>6447827
> It's nothing special if anyone can learn it if they put enough time into it.
You might as well learn clairvoyance then. Also the amount of AIfags prove that a lot of people would rather take the shortcut anyway.

>>6440328
>Why aren’t you drawing, anon.
I'm depressed and panicked by AI art and I'm getting close to killing myself.
This is an unending nightmare.

>>6445698
If only it were this easy. That one month hurdle is just enough to demystify a skill and realize how bad at it you really are.

>>6450672
Yep. If it's that easy then everyone would've done it already. Hint: It isnt't

>>6440328
Because my cat is sleeping comfortably and I don't want to kick him off my arm.

>>6452305
I guess the word I was looking for was simple rather than easy.

>>6440328
Cuz I'm a stupid idiot that can't seem to fucking "get it".

>>6440341
Happy ejaculation, friend

>>6440328
I only draw album art
https://youtu.be/gv2bCZ09DqM

>>6440328
Spent 5 years of my life trying to get better then realized i sidnt have the talent to Finally Make that Comic

Have been binging my favorite videogames from highschool and hanging out with my girlfriend while psychologically hemhorraging my acquired skills for amny reasons both within and from out of my control.
I’ve finally more or less quieted the voice in my head telling me to pursue the comic, which i thought would give me more freedom to draw what i want, but i guess without a wider incentive my mind naturally stops giving a shit about the effort and signals me to pick up monster hunter or waste my time on the phone for easier gratification. More and more it feels like a herculean effort to draw shit that was so intuitive to draw and provided me so much joy before
I hope the regret really hits me at some point for deciding to be a lazy fuck. I dont deserve to be happy, let alone exist. I only feel bitter and resentful when i see the people who were so good at drawing the things i drew and did it with no effort whatsoever that it broke my mind and i just gave up.

TLDR dont use social media

>>6440328
I did a couple of longer drawings over the christmas break but caught brain fatigue and slight hand cramping so I've stopped for a few days to recover.

I draw and I don't give a fuck about everything

>>6452602
Make sure to massage your hand(s) often even when recovering.
Cardio or exercise in general to get the blood pumping and you should be good to go again.

>>6440328
don't know what to draw

>>6452542
>Spent 5 years of my life trying to get better
How much of this was dedicated practice or at the very least just drawing.

>Then realized I didn't have the talent to Finally Make that Comic
You don't need talent to make a comic , but your talent will determine how good the comic looks. You could start right now , seeing "that comic" get better will hopefully will give you the motivation to improve.

>psychologically hemhorraging my acquired skills for amny reasons both within and from out of my control.
Feel ya.
TL:DR Draw that comic , doesn't matter how bad you are , you will always set the bar higher and it will never be "good enough".

>More and more it feels like a herculean effort to draw shit that was so intuitive to draw and provided me so much joy before
Might be because one or more of the following:
1) Fried dopamine receptors - If nothing else is enjoyable in general , this is it.
2) You got rusty - Uou have not drawn in a while and your brain has to remember things you used to be second nature. This will take much less time than learning it for the first time. This should not take long.
3) You turned art into a chore - Instead of art being something you like to do , it has become something you MUST do for one reason or another and that isn't because you like it so much you MUST do it , it has become an obligation. Be it because you consider it productive and productivity is the end all be all. Because you want to get better and once you get better (whenever that is) you will finally be able to draw that comic , because you are afraid NGMI ,etc..
4) Likely not your case in this scenario but could be hobby burnout , you drew too much and pushed yourself too far (can even happen without realising it , happened to me once)

>>6452542
>I hope the regret really hits me at some point for deciding to be a lazy fuck.
Based on this post it appears to have hit you already , and if not , it is deffnetly on it's way so... don't make it worse.
At the very least cut out the scrolling and video games (videogames are fine in moderation but you seem to be using them as a way to avoid doing difficult things instead of harmless fun)

>I dont deserve to be happy
Define "deserve" , what should one do to or more specifcally , what should you do to "deserve" to be happy. Even if you do not deserve it, its in your intrest to strive towards happiness.

>let alone exist.
That is a bit too much , it's not like you tortured someone then brutally murdered them for fun. You just got addicted to stuff that was engineered from the bottom up to get you to use it and then to get addicted to it, a trap specifically made to catch humans like you or me (by other humans).

>I only feel bitter and resentful when i see the people who were so good at drawing the things i drew and did it with no effort whatsoever that it broke my mind and i just gave up.

I would personally try to see what they did/what they are doing and what I do myself to get to their level.
They can do things with no effort that you struggle with because they simply have more knowledge, experience , dedicated practice or even just time messing around and having fun with it. With time and effort , you will get to their level.

>TLDR dont use social media
Excessive scrolling can deffinetly fuck you up.
My TL:DR is:
-Draw that comic you always wanted to (no matter your current skill level , even if you are stickman level)
-Figure out what has made drawing so unenjoyable and try to make it fun again. (eg. Turning a WANT into a MUST)
-Your instinctual reaction to difficulty should not be reaching for a dopamine hit that wont get shit done
-Learn from those who are better than you (a growth mindset might help , you may have a fixed mindset)

>>6440328
im stuck doing a stupid fucking final project for an engineering degree, which is due in two weeks and i fucking hate every single minute of my life
i dont want to do this and the only reason im even trying to make it, is so i dont have to do it ever again

my hand goes limp when i try to draw like a bratty child in a store. I dont have anything to say with art, I just want to sleep 20 hours a day.

>>6440328
I am only interested in drawing coom, but at the same time I don't want to spend the rest of my life drawing coom.

>>6440328
i did draw but im unsatisfied with my rush in doodling. sohuld probably study animal or character anatomy to sharpen the facial features

Too busy ripping every course I’m interested in from NMA. Have to use that free trial time wisely. Kind of crazy that even on CGPeers the freshest Vilppu figure drawing course isn’t on there. Oh well. More for me.

>>6450699
im not sure how to answer your question. My process is the same as everyone else. I think of a drawing then I do a rough sketch for a while then finalize it over time. Not an expert or professional so i cant give advice. People sometime tell me they like my shape language then other times they say im symbol drawing so I don't know.

>>6440328
burnt out

my pc literally caught fire doing christmas comms i shit you not

>>6455227
>When you try to run photoshop on only 32 gigs of ram.