/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I've been trying to get down the basic shape of a glass jar for half an hour now and it still looks like ass... When I look at the jar (the object, not the drawing), it looks like the the top ellipse is closer to a circle than the bottom one, but I can't figure out why. I know it's supposed to be the other way around, but I'm somehow getting cockblocked by my perception.

>>6439991
Could you post ref and your work?
It might just be the glass of the jar fucking with perception.
You know how the form works in 3D so start with that construction and then look how it differs.

>>6439996
I took the jar to a different room with better lighting to take a photo and now I see it just fine. I guess it was just the light fucking with my mind. Weird.

I know it's going to sound stupid, but I'm looking for cartoonish artstyle that would be easy to draw yet would be somewhat nice to look at?
I burned out trying to learn drawing properly and I just want to create something.
Any ideas?

>>6439999 {CHECKED}
Shit happens bruh glad it cleared up for you

reposting in the new thread

second try on the drapery

Forest hunk, watercolor pencils, sharpie and fine liner. Blessings on you anons

>>6440020
I don't know, try drawing chibi?

>>6440104
Could work, but dunno if it works for anything besides cutesy stuff.
On other hand serious stuff requires something like semi-realism at minimum which I cannot draw.
Oh well, I need to change topic of my potential works then. Thanks.

Perspective study

birthday gift

>>6440132
Is it a portrait? Nice

>>6440123
I have a question. Yes. Is the perspective on the pavement supposed to be the same with the one outdoors, like the road? Is it realistic?

Me seeing couples this Christmas

Someone help, I suck at drawing frills.

>>6440174
It's not perfect, but this helped me get started. I basically did a fluffier version of this for a while. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmD5rRygnuI

Im a fraud. Do all artists feel like frauds?

>>6440183
no i think its just you

What is the thing that gives line art solidity? I understand why academic drawing convey a sense of solidity, but how do mangaka, comic artist, Loomis etc. who primarily draw with line manage to give their drawings solidity through line and not much else?

>>6440212
Natural contours, overlapping, relative sizes and perspective

>>6440183
Who are you deceiving.

Please consider dumping all that ABA crap and join to rock with the best
https://discord.gg/gmwXGANj
Like that ABA that belongs in the trash 100%

>>6440283
No one knows what ABA stand for. Also
>discord only has two channels to post art in, one of which is spammed by people entering the fucking discord
Fix this and it might be worth using.

>>6440283
>rock with the best
uh...where is that

I'm trying to understand 2 point perspective and looking for feedback. What I gathered so far is the following:
1)the basic vanishing points define the distortion of right angles
2)the station point is the position of the observer in relation to the observed image
3)the vanishing points create a right angle at the station point
4)moving the observer closer to the image moves up the horizon line to preserve the right angle created by the vanishing points
5)rotating an object moves the vanishing points along the horizon line but preserves the right angle of the vanishing points at the station point
Is that correct? I haven't been able to find a single description like this so I pieced it together from various tutorials.

>>6440302
just read Perspective Made Easy

>>6440302
And one more question, does adjusting the angle of the vanishing points at the station point create a framework for distorting shapes that have the same angle as the angle at the station point?
If that's the case, I think I'm finally starting to get it.

>>6440310
hummina hummina

>>6440310
>>6440317
do you really find this attractive

>>6440321
>do you find females to be attractive
Not everyone is a homosexual like (you) anon.

>>6440310
if women looked like this id probably cum a lot

>>6440181
that video actually unlock a part of my brain, I saw that approach but somehow forgot about it and started looking for frill refs
thanks

>>6440310
I kneel

Is it even possible to nail the figure/pose if you use something like pen?
I mean stuff like planning shoulder and arm pose because you cannot really draw the torso without going into shoulder area which changes depending how high the arm is raised.

I hate flowers not drawing these again

Any Critique is appreciated.
I've been following references for clothing more but I'm still not pleased with how to draw the folds of clothes or the wrinkles, I've also attempted colouring the jacket with pencil but it just looks very poor. I'd like to get the proportions better too because I start with the head and that tends to result in the body being smaller than it should be. I got very lazy near the legs but I'd rather start a new one from scratch than continue with it I'm probably missing something pretty obvious.

Hello beg, this is second to last chapter. When the art books are close to an end they always get a bit silly. Its like it suddenly assumes you can draw or paint flawlessly and whips out the topic of how to carve piece of your soul into the canvas. Tomorrow i will finish the book and then be free (until i pick next book lmao)

>>6440401
as far as the proportions go, you want to first do light gesture/sketch of the whole thing, then double check the proportions. Only after all that you start drawing for real. And you dont need to worry about the sketch being visible since you draw it lightly with harder pencil
>>6440380
i agree drawing flora is needlessly complex and exhausting yet almost all pro drawers put them into their pictures because they want to flex their abilities. Nice pic btw, it all fits very well together!
>>6440366
pros first do sketch with pencil and later erase it or they outright use tracing paper for final ink version
>>6440310
what the fuck this anon mastered the COOM!
>>6440183
to feel like fraud i would first need some sort of following who would praise my shit. and since i dont have that i cannot feel like fraud. one of the few advantages of being BEG :-)
>>6440174
reference anon. use yandex and put there woman wearing robe. and then draw what you see
>>6440091
men usually dont have so saggy tits that the tits touch their beer belly LOLLOOLOLO. Thumbs up
>>6440044
use two brushes anon. one for sharp edges and one for soft edges. good drapery always have hard edges at right places which suggests the cloth folds. yours has no hard edges
>>6440020
stoneloss, simpsons

automaton

>>6440449
Why do keep fucking up the proportions and perspective despite doing thousands of these? You are literally plateauing, permabeg.

It's poop and I know it.
What should i focus most on getting better at?

>>6440474
you need to be held by the hand softly. Vilppu will hold your hand all the way even after death. Also, stop drawing from imagination.

feels good to just mess around

How do I draw gory stuff without having to look at actual gore for reference? I don't like it bros

>>6440577
You're just like me. I use diagrams like picrel or other people's art

>>6440467
his proportions and perspective look fine, post your work if you're gonna be a faggot or just stop posting

>Sister finds my pixiv
>Its all incest porn
>She quickly realizes its all based on trips we've taken together
How do I recover from this? And is it possible to see if she's into it?

>>6440598
Cut all ties and move to another country.

>>6440598
You should post your pixiv.

>>6440592
No it's not. It only looks fine to you because you keep spending your time in /beg/.

>>6440618
post your work

>>6440618
I'm going to have to agree with pyw guy. They aren't bad. That other guy's proportions, I mean. You're a crab.

>>6440435
thank you for your input anon
it kills me that no one else has replied to you until now

>>6440401
general critique. pose is too stiff, look for better references or get a 3d model that you can pose. the upper head is a bit small. the eyes are too big, they could work but with a better expression, that mouth comunicates nothing, not even contempt. the breasts are too compressed and too far up. there are no discernible fingers. the sweater neck is too broad, and if it's as broad as the neck, then the neck is to broad. the waist line suggest that it's a girl, but the breast size and position and neck and hip width suggest otherwise.
as far as clothing folds, in the pants are arched up, like if you are looking that character from below, but the black straps don't have the same arch, which makes it look inconsistent.

Why are there so few people here doing still life studies? It seems like every beg either does boxshit or figure drawings.

>>6440762
life studies is hard to do if you're not near a studio.
unless you mean still life and environments, which still has issues unless you've got convient access to areas with good lighting and good environments.

>>6440762
boring as shit

>>6440763
Yeah I mean still life. Like I'd expect at least a few resident begs to get a lamp, a couple of random objects and get drawing.

>>6440767
eh while i highly recommend still lifes, i don't think its that necessary and is a bit at odds with how people study at home vs a studio.

still life is most beneficial when you have a solid area to plop down on and just draw something for a few hours getting extremely autistic with angles and perfect copying. which helps if you're in a class or studio with a bunch of other people.
if you're just at home by yourself, its hard to plop down and get autistic about getting just the right angles on these bananas.

and while still life is great at improving your visual capabilities, it doesnt really help with the theory by itself unless you have someone to explain things to you.

imo its very much a class type thing. its extremely useful but only in the proper setting.

Behold.
A head.

>>6440775
That's interesting. Do you have any book you could recommend that could fill in the role of the teacher somewhat, or are you talking about specific case by case feedback?

>>6440730
Like I said, it's not bad because your /beg/ eyes are deceiving you. Maybe if you actually look at professional art, you will see what I mean.

>>6440779
Behold.
A You.

Critiques welcome. This is the first time I've tried something like this where I use a reference just for the pose and all the other details come from a character reference sheet. I treated it kind of like a test run to just go through the whole process and then check what I need to improve. I already know I need to work more on form and shading as big subjects and then focus more on anatomy and clothes after that. Tips on the background? I kind of drew the triangles randomly other than the main one. I also wanted the character to be the focus, so I made it darker than her, but something still seems off to me. I also tried replacing the dark blue with her hair color, but she didn't stand out as much.

>>6440823
Study your fundies and practice your observation skills. It's way too early for you to go doing your own stuff anon.

>>6440827
Yeah, that's definitely something I need to take away from this. I knew I wasn't really ready for this sort of thing, but I wanted to try something way above my skill level so I could get out of my comfort zone. Thank you for the response.

>>6440823
Beg but not bad. Don't listen to the other poster, just do your own thing while studying on the side. Nice work.

This is a piece I wanted to give a friend as gift for christmas. Is already 27 so I wanted to finish before December 31. Any feedback, i'm pretty lost with the shadows and color in general.

What are some /beg/ approved perspective books and courses and what can I do to internalize perspective so that it may be drawn intuitively?

>>6440823

Ignore the facial features because you're going for something stylistically different than how I draw which is fine. The wrinkles of clothing are directly tied to how the forms underneath are twisting/positioned, so if you're character is lifting their arms above their head and rotating their shoulders, the drapery follows that. Dynamic Wrinkles by Burne Hogarth is a good book for drapery study.

But the most important thing is you should get a book called Fun with a Pencil by Andrew Loomis and burn through that over and over and over. You are stuck in symbol drawing mode where a lot of the elements of your drawings act more like stickers stuck to a 2d surface rather than actually following 3d forms in space. That book helped me a lot and I still go through it every now and then for refreshers. The colors of your art is actually fine, but I would put color theory at the end of the list of what you should be studying.

>>6440888

Colors are fine, for shadows what I do is fill the entire character with the shadow color, then erase areas for light, paint in the shadows back, and just go back and forth. One secret, is that half of the shadows I do are light direction accurate and the other half are just bullshit that looks good. ""Shadow Shapes"" that are pleasing to the eye I find more important than accuracy. If I have an area completely covered in shadow and there is one single thing sticking out that would catch the light creating a dot of light in a giant area of shadow and it doesn't compositionally look good, I will fuck light accuracy and just keep it in shadow. That's pretty much what I did with half of the block in here. For the "lighting" part, just grab a saturated hue with a high value, and slowly airbrush over the areas that you erased the shadows from on a hard light (or whatever) layer. Some of the airbrush will "bleed" over into the shadow, creating a glowing effect, which I like.

Here is a rough block in to help you brainstorm something.

>>6440779
Proportions more or less ok but check your angles. The nose stands out immediately as not pointing in the same direction as the ref

>>6440823
Almost everything here is very poor but if this was part of a comic with good writing (humor probably because of the style) i could still consider reading it

>>6440888
But its digital, thats not a very nice gift. Paint something physical for your friend to hang on the wall


Me, I went out to do a quick sketch and smoke my pipe but my paint mixes froze immediately. It snowed on my sketchbook too but the effect is actually kinda neat. Enjoy your holidays anons!

Should I start learning to draw digitally if I don't know how to draw traditionally at all?

Trapezoid

>>6440964
Do you want to make art? Then dont do digital. Do you want to draw furry porn on patreon, then do digital. Its up to you really

>>6440964
Just draw.

>>6440915
bro...

Any critique on the booba?

>>6440598
Bone her.

>>6440761
Thank you, I'll keep this into account and try looking at clearer references as well as improve the facial expressions and proportions.

>>6441002
But where?

>>6441077
start traditional, no messing about with software, no brushes, no pressure curves, no zooming, no undo

Bros how many studies (or copies) should be aiming for daily?

It usually takes me a solid 20/30 min to finish a simple one

>>6441093
It takes a really long time at first. Spend as long as you need to get it perfect, hours is normal.

I tried 2 different techniques for these pictures but I think they came out the exact same..

At least I think the second one looks better.

How do I improve if I have no time to draw shit for hours every day

>>6441077
Where ever is easiest for you to get started.

>>6441112
Spend what you can.

Jesus Christ

>>6441077
Agree with >>6441078, digital is kinda overwhelming for beginners IMO. Trad is cheap, simple, and intuitive. The most important part right now is that you enjoy the process so you keep coming back and practicing regularly.

am I doing ok? trying to improve line confidence on screenless tablet, following Peter Han's dynamic sketching videos

>>6440324
Liking men isn’t all there is to being gay you know. You’re just a bigot.

this is a sketch i did in paint before painting it. what do you think?

>>6441245
Nice, now post the painting.

>>6440865
Thanks. It really does help with my motivation to do a bit of my own thing and see if I'm able to actually incorporate what I'm learning into my drawings.
>>6440915
Thanks for the drapery book recommendation. It's definitely going to be very useful for me. I also agree that my big problem right now is that I haven't cured my symbol drawing.
>>6440937
I actually did plan for her to be a bit of a gag character in later works, but that's pretty far down the line. I really like the effect of the snow on your painting, too. It gives off a very natural look. I hope you have a good holiday as well.

i'm ngmi
good thing i got used to being permastuck by grinding chess, otherwise i might be somewhat upset

>>6439984
Room generally feels empty and lacking in detail but I'll leave it at this since I don't know what else to put without looking at a bunch of references. Anyway, a question. I put in a few solid colours first ( dark grey for the machines, wires, pipes etc then light blue for the tank then dark pinkish for the fetus )

I was wondering if this is inefficient practice and that I should just go ahead and colour in what I ultimately had in mind like the machine being a much lighter grey? I hope I'm not overthinking this. Rough sketch on the right as a reference.

>>6439984
jspaint sketches from this morning, trying to focus on leg anatomy because i feel im quite weak there. Black ones are ones i actually liked enough to do some cleaning up on
>>6440091
crosshatching is very solid, anatomy of the chest and hand not holding the staff is off.
>>6440310
if i could draw like this i wouldnt know how to act kek
>>6440380
i think the flowers turned out nice actually, and the hair is excellent. The wrist and fingers look a bit overly smooth and need the joints defined more.
>>6440401
I also tend to start with the head, its helped me to start with a loose skeleton type sketch to get the proportions and pose right, and then fill in the details of the face and follow with the rest of the body. Ill maybe draw you an example of a wireframe sketch to try ad help you in a minute.
>>6440449
i kneel. But also i would encourage you to do more whole bodies, or youll end up like me, getting in the habit of only drawing from the waist up and then realizing i have no idea how legs work.
>>6440474
draw from reference. Learn proportions and anatomy. Practice. i know thats not what beginners want to hear but our advice isnt gonna be a ton of help till you practice a lot more.
>>6440577
why are you drawing gore if you dont like it? but yeah what other anon said
>>6441110
What were the techniques? and yes the second is far superior

>>6441430
also heres another more finished drawing with the same program, ive been liking the pixely look recently. I know my coloring could also use work and would love help with that

>>6441273
I'm more of a Poker guy myself. Why do you like chess if I may ask?

>>6441015
why the ugly granny face...

>>6440401
ok heres my try at explaining it. the point is the first sketch should be super fast and loose and just give a general idea of pose, then fix anything wrong with it, then actually put effort into making it look good.

>>6440435
>stoneloss, simpsons
I don't find these appealing at all.

I took the FDZ advice to Just Draw rocks, take my time, be loose, don't erase, and have fun. My drawings are terrible but I'm actually having fun. I'm not sure if I'll get better, I probably won't make enough time for drawing for that, but I wouldn't mind doing this regularly even if the drawings aren't show-worthy.

>>6441435
who says i like it? i'm just addicted

>>6441430
Your poses are pretty good.

>>6441516
based, i followed the same route roughly and i enjoyed it. i attribute the fact i'm still drawing ~2 months later to the fact i started with stupidly easy stuff that i could look at and feel at least somewhat proud that i did it

>>6441565
Nice. I tried it out on my new cheap screenless tablet but I still feel a bit awkward on it so I might try pencil and paper next time. Also I feel I rushed a little so I'll take my time too.

>>6441148
Jesus is King

>>6441603
this

>>6441471
Thanks for taking the time. In this case I was just drawing an outline based on the ref rather than a sketch skeleton and I think that's something I should correct in the future.

>>6441440
She's a zombie from Plants vs Zombies

>>6441346
im not totally clear on what youre asking, and most others probably arent either, thats why youre not really getting responses.
I think the machine being lighter gray would be a bad choice tho, it needs to contrast from the background. I also think since it seems like the fetus is the centerpiece of the image, the composition is a little weird.

>>6441667

Thanks for replying. I'll keep what you said in mind. I actually keep on drawing from the exact same camera position and it's annoying.

>im not totally clear on what youre asking, and most others probably arent either, thats why youre not really getting responses.

Nah it's fine if I don't get any replies. I wanted to post regardless so I can pressure myself to not giving up as I have no idea how to go about this ( Which is probably why I don't know what question to ask exactly. I'll be more careful next time. ) so I'll have to just redraw this room several times from different angles later.

Right now I'm just determined to finish *A* piece no matter how terrible it looks because all 20-30 of my drawings so far has been half-assed sketches where I just give up a 1/10th of the way through.

>>6441576
>cheap screenless tablet
same, i got a screenless tablet 2 days ago that i'm slowly getting used to although i started out on pen and paper. i definitely recommend starting out with the humble pen(cil) and paper if you're brand new. you've probably written on a physical piece of paper far more than you've drawn on a virtual one so there's no learning curve to producing a literal curve. drawing well is extremely hard so you want to start out easy to give yourself time to adjust mechanically to producing shapes, lines, circles, boxes, and the like and adding in more of a burden at the beginning will just needlessly stress you out. that being said, i'm only 2 months into drawing so i'm not really one to be giving that much advice

>>6441697
kek exact same position here, thats why the most recent semi finished thing i have is this >>6441432 , i legit dont have anything with a background from less than 6 months ago im a lazy pos.

Also, youve already progressed a shit ton on this drawing in however long since you posted that last image, it looks great

>>6441730
>> Also, youve already progressed a shit ton on this drawing in however long since you posted that last image, it looks great

THANKS. That's all I want to hear. I am determined to give my fetus baby the proper sci-fi facility it deserves. Now if I can stop looking away every 10 minutes I can probably progress a lot more.

>Tfw the boxes start to "make sense."
Closing in on 100, can't wait to see the next 150 (lmao). Yeah but nah at least there's progress. I wanna be able to noodle out those neat irreverent sketches like Peter Han or Kim Jung GI.

>>6441430
ugly scribbly lines. Do some exercises to steady your hand, and start using a bigger brush

some trad rendering practice with charcoal

>>6441785
>Do some exercises to steady your hand
Are there actual exercises for this? I've been shooting for years and eventually all the instructors inna army were like "it is what it is, just shoot with the shake." Magnesium helps but it's still there.

>>6441805

>>6441808

>>6440784
No, you're a towel

>>6441785
person youre responding to, i would also like to know this>>6441807

I used to try to draw in single lines and it looked like shit because my hands shake so i sort of decided to lean into the scribbly look

>>6441785
scribbly lines are based

>>6440289
Are you retarded?
You need to post work to get access to the rest of the server

>>6441846
It took you an entire day to post that? Try keep better track of your replies, especially when shilling your groomcord.

>>6440183
why the thing looks so much more cool then guy.

>>6439984
Practicing animation

>>6441471
When I wanted to clean up a drawing in ms paint, I used the paint bucket and quickly click the right and left button on the mouse.

>>6441891
i draw in another color for the sketch, ink with black, then fill the background with sketch color, and then fill that with white. hard to explain without a diagram but i dont feel like doing that rn. Idk if your trick would work for me but i cant plug in a mouse and my tablet to my laptop at the same time so i guess ill never know

>>6441884
This is really good

Hello beg, today i am officially done with Nicolaides. Despite the extreme grind of seemingly pointless exercises involving doodles most of the time i rate the book as thumbs up. All said and done however i wouldn't recommend it to common BEGs at all. The book focuses mostly on the gesture and ignores all and any techniques. This book can definitely teach you how to speed up, line confidence, what it means when your picture is stiff or soulless and so on but none of this is relevant for prebegs nor begs. Its sort of book for higher begs. I am glad its over.

>>6441809
sick skulls. next time glue the pics together so you arent spamming the thread :-)
>>6441768
PYB (post your boxes)
>>6441516
PYR (post your rocks)
>>6441478
it was just a suggestion, feel free to find appealing cartoons for you
>>6441191
i dont know, i might end up doing these weird exercises one day, but to me it seems overkill since you will gain the eye-hand coordination anyway with enough drawing the other stuff. But what do i know, i just finished my 3rd art book, maybe this approach is more common than i think
>>6441112
if you cannot find hour or two for drawing every day i am afraid you will NGMI. Btw you dont have to practice at home, there are anons who draw on the go or at work. All you need is pencil and small sketchbook. Draw from reference simply what you see around
>>6441093
a drawing exercise can take anywhere from 30 seconds (gesture) to 10 hours (master study). dont measure "progress" by number of doodles, just make habit of putting in the hours daily. Btw you forgot to PYW!
>>6440964
its all same thing. In trad you have easier time making lines, on tablet you have easier life with layers and undo. Just pick one and draw
>>6440904
keys to drawing has like 4 pages about perspective. And then there are books like perspective made easy which has 200 pages (lmao) about it. There is also dynamic bible which deals with it while trying to level up your spatial awareness. Pick your poison

hang all mass repliers

>>6441921
Mad because he didn't reply to (you)? Or are (you) one of those retards that don't even post their work.

>>6441912
Thanks anon!

>>6441921
sex with mass repliers
i love mass repliers, because it's the only time i get (you)s
though this time i didn't get any

>>6441936
neither did i. i got all excited when i saw the big message :/

>>6441921
Respect the mass repliers that take the effort to reply to a lot of (you)s that get none from others.

>>6441928
your opinion isn't that important no matter how self absorbed you are

>>6441921
mass replying this post let's goooooo

>>6441946
>n-no you can't critique others works, you have to silently submit your drawings and stew in envy!
Post your drawing you useless drone.

>>6441944
I agree. Giving out (You)s for free should be respected.

if you don't get (you)s it means your work is flawless

>>6441944
I agree. Giving out (You)s for free should be respected.

>>6441961
some one get paid?

k

>>6441077
wherever you want. there are benefits to both and you'll likely jump back and forth anyway so you might as well use whichever medium will get you drawing at any given time and switch it up if another medium catches your fancy

>>6441914
>next time glue the pics together so you arent spamming the thread :-)

>>6442065
Not him but you should just pirate photoshop or get any other image editing software. I think any artist that will be touching computers will need to use them in the future one way or another whether that be out of convenience or necessity.

>>6442071
I have photoshop I was just phoneposting at the time

>>6441077
do you have a tablet? if you somhow alredy do then can do both. If not then draw with a pen for half of year at least .

kvwgw

>>6441914
>seems overkill since you will gain the eye-hand coordination anyway with enough drawing the other stuff
you might be right, that's what I want to know
it could be a huge waste of time, but I have incredibly little skill and it seems that there aren't very many paths I can follow without just improving the most fundamental possible skills that I'm lacking

>>6442075
this is nice to look at

>>6442075
Nice strawberry.

>>6441884
Looks pretty good. You should travel back to the 70s and do British animation.
No, you can't borrow my time machine.

eh

tryed to tidy it up a bit

How do I get rid of the feeling that all I can do is wrong

>>6442315
transition into a woman

>>6440937
Is a "online" friend never meet irl We just have been chatting for half a decade.
>>6440918
I tried to follow you here with the shadow shapes, isn't complete yet but looks good enough.

>>6442323
>>6440918

When I add the base colors however...

>>6442325
I think he'll masturbate to it. You did good

I tried to get advice in How To draw the other eye but apparently I fucked so much more but I legit can't see where did I go so wrong, how can I make it better?

drew this without reference just now..
there’s a lot wrong with it and it’s pretty stiff, but it’s much better than I was able to do before so I’ll take it
yes yes I know no reference is bad, this was just for today. I try to draw with reference otherwise

>>6442347
Loomis

>>6442306
Question, why that composition/perspective? Why do you want the audience to look at the subject from that view? It just seems weird to me. If it were me Id want the tube centered and Im looking straight at it.

Viewing it from some random angle doesnt make much sense to me.

Not saying its bad just my thoughts. You draw better than me.

>>6442315
lift weights

>>6442350
it was unconscious decision. I just started doing it like that. maybe I think symmetrical will be less interesting. .

>>6442366
I like it anon

>>6442366
Me too

>>6440479
>>6441430
I don't mind practicing or drawing from reference, I was just trying to draw something from imagination for once, but could clearly see that I just am not there yet.

Made this quick sketch from reference last night.

>>6442347
BLTB but IMO:

acceptable hobbyist drawing tablet?

>>6442440
Stop drawing draped figures until your nudes are solid. Get your proportions under control.

>>6442508
I heard this was a bad idea though?

>>6442508
But thanks for the input, I appreciate it.

>>6442347
posted these here
>>6442351
>>6442361

>>6442512
>>6442526
why in the hell would it be a bad idea

>>6442589
Just read somewhere that it's a good idea to remember practicing clothed at the same time, so you don't end up only being able to draw naked people

aaaaaaaaa

>>6439984
What can I improve?

>>6442325
set to multiply?

>>6442556
dude WTF are you spying on me? This is almost the exact same hair style I came up for this girl. Jokes aside thanks for pointing out these mistakes, these pictures really pits things into perspective .

>>6442306
Very nice neko stasis tank. I need to draw these sort of pictures as well. Did you draw this because of my post though? >>6441697 or was it a coincidence someone else was also drawing a stasis tank?

nya

>>6442761
123

>>6442662
A lot

>>6442440
This sketch is significantly better than the other piece. Your drapery is much better and your pose is very strong. and i do recommend what the other guy said, at least drawn the form of the body before adding clothes, get basics down first.

Once you have an intuitive understanding of the way human bodies move and look at different angles youll be able to draw from imagination much better

>>6442747
I was expected it will be obvious but yes it almost same picture, with stairs, reds and all. but with cat

What can I improve? Or do I just trash it and don't save anything?

>>6442865
>I was expected it will be obvious

Just didn't expect it. It would've been arrogant to assume especially since it wasn't a (You). I really appreciate it even if it was just for practice!

>>6442872
Might be personal preference but cartoonishly huge genitalia is a turn off most of the time.

>>6442766
Like what?

Critique?

>>6442916
It looks like he is wearing a taller skin colored turtleneck under his turtleneck. Also proportions are way off. Double check hand size head size limb length and limb shape. Your shadow placement does not indicate the volumes underneath and you forgot most shadows outside the face. The eyes are different sizes and afaics his right ear is missing and his left ear is comically high on the head. You used very poor quality markers.

Great work for drawing and posting anon, keep it up!

Learning to use vanishing points and 3D space has really helped me have more fun with art.
It even got me out my 5 month AI-panic induced hiatus.

I haven't felt this excited to draw since /v/ermin.

>>6442727
lol i just saw a trace of a (probably erased?) pencil line for what i assumed was the hair, and just went with that.
anyway, good luck!

>>6442926
Oh you're right. Damn. Thank you for the feedback...! But how can I show shadows when I'm already using my darkest color? Just use the darkest color for the shadows instead?

>>6442996
Yeah there are several approaches, look at some art in a style you like maybe. But your idea is one way so just try that

>>6442997
Gotcha, thanks!

w

>>6443178
Cool effect
Was the no eyelashes or eyes defined a choice?
Seems like an easy abstraction to get the viewer to focus on the head.

>>6443178
/beg/master tier goodjob

>>6443198
i was using a reference for the profile and much or the face was weakly solarized on the film and in a preparatory sketch i found some of the darker values in the picture led to indecisiveness about the depth of tone, so i thought it'd be better to just make a small suggestion of where his facial features and the darker shapes would be instead

I did the gay exercise (drawing that one image from sticky upside down). First time attempting drawing.

any time I feel good about my art I post it here. Being made fun of has helped me stop being hugely autistic about my art. So any crits?

>>6442827
Thanks, I'll try doing that

>>6442913
I'm a /beg/ so don't expect me to know the correct terme, but I guess pose, perspective, clothes, faces, anatomi etc.
You need to improve pretty much everything.
This can't be a surprise though right?

>>6442872
Her penis is comically small, needs to be much larger

>>6443453
No, but I was looking for more specific advice

>>6443431
Too much to critique, learn human anatomy, posing, perspective, shading and value.
Vanishing points and construction should be your priorities.

>>6443431
Man and Kid

>>6439984

>>6443552
kek

>>6443431
What's the story here? Did fame get to his head?

>>6443520
the background is something I did just kinda slap together and I guess it shows
>>6443550
Thanks anon I will now be forever haunted by this. I can no longer call the tv show he was on that now
>>6443578
Dude was on a tv show as a kid and got fucked up pretty bad from being on it at the age of 8-12 and goes teen child star on everyone and trys to destroy his old image

>>6440449
NGMI-tier.

>>6443552
beautiful. No flaws.

>>6443637
Pyw, crab

A few drawings I liked. What is my biggest weakness?
Also is there any way out of drawing gestures that shit is painful.

>>6443706
Line confidence

>>6443708
Thank you, I've been practicing getting cleaner lines but it always just feels off, guess I'll keep at it though.
Besides that? Ideally something I can get a book on?

>>6443706
top left looks dope

>>6442178
Thanks! I’m not super familiar with 70s British animation but I did love that yellow submarine movie.

>>6443431
dont avoid drawing noses from the front, thats a very beg tier mistake, no nose goes sideways when youlook at swomeone from the front, your priority should definitly be 3 dimensional forms, because it looks flat and the characters look stiff and unorganic, dont give up fellow autist

>>6439984

Dumb question here.
Recently I got drunk and thought it would be a nice hobby to learn watercolour (can't even draw) so I brought some shitty art supplies online and when it arrived, I give it a chance and enjoyed it.
Even more recently, I brought one of those 005 pens because I always like architectural sketches, and discovered that line & wash is a thing. But holy shit those pens come with just a few drops of ink, and it can get expensive fast...
Besides refilling those pens, is there a cost-effective fountain pen for Indian ink that produces a really thin line (like my micron 005)? Do they last? Do they clog?
Pic related my last "paintings".

>>6443431
This is the cringiest piece of art I saw in the last 4 years.
God this is so gay.

>>6443800
Plenty of chink and Indian inks you can buy that'll last a long time, you'll only need to fill up a pen with two or three small drops too. Another fun thing to try out is brush pens, very easy to refill but definitely takes a bit of time to get used to

>>6443812
I was looking at Talens Indian Ink (very few brands I learned in this short time), but I am afraid of just clogging the pen because indian ink has a bounding agent like watercolour paint.
I was looking for something waterproof, because, well, line AND WASH.

How long do those Micron pens last before they clog?

>>6443431
>man and kid
>that cringy gay emo haircut
>the cringy gay little hair horns
>the faggy little count fagula fangs
>the girly faggot poses
>the faggy little one eye closed expression
>the areola eyes
>the uberfaggot edgy red eyes
>the sensitive pale skin bruised like a chicks knees after spend the evening at the glory hole
>the awkward virgin pose
>the gay little emo kid outfi
>the absolutely homosexual shirt tied around the waist
>the girly way it holds that squeaky clean bat
>man and kid
>man and kid
>man and kid
Hhaha I'm sorry but I'm enthralled by this drawing, holy shit how embarrassing.
I can't...HAHAHHAHA

>>6443825

>>6443362
Nice anon

i was gifted a yearlong streaming membership to aaron blaise's website, so which courses would i want to do and in what order? i'm hoping a lot of stuff is worthwhile since i'm trying to focus on animation and aaron was the director for brother bear (and the supervising animator for young nala) but i need actual fundies first, right?
https://creatureartteacher.com/product-category/tutorials-lessons/?orderby=date

>man and kid
Ghaahaha holy fuck I can't stop laughing at that
JESUS LORD HAVE MERCY HAHAHA

>>6443431
I really love this
It's fucking bad but the creativity, the message, the soul, I'm intrigued.
I saved it at least, so at least it makes an impact

Point at the GMI

>>6443919
Awww what a nice message

>>6443431
incredibly based, anon
work on your fundies and one day you'll come back and turn this into a masterpiece

>>6443919
it's going slightly off center therefore it is not pointing at me directly therefore i am ngmi

>>6443431
better than anything /asg/ can shit out

>>6443929
tilt ur screen to the right :)

>>6443457
I think if I try to draw it any bigger it will look worse.

>>6443825
>>6443890
what's so bad about man and kid?

>>6443929
oh woops I think it's when I added the nail and the swirl, just pretend she's cross-eyed

>>6443954
Don't reply to the frogposting retard. Just ignore it.

this is like the third redraw I do. I hope when I wake up tomorrow I don't find it odd ... again.

>>6443977
is this a danger ron paul character or does it just look like one
either way looks pretty good anon, what have you been finding odd about it?

>>6443885
Let’s Draw: A Solid Foundation for Artists with Ronnie Williford
for the basics

Perspective Drawing with Aaron Blaise
you'll need solid perspective skills for animation

Gesture Drawing with Aaron Blaise
crucial for animation

How to Draw: Drawing Human Anatomy
assuming you want to animate humans, otherwise one of the animal ones you like

Fundamentals of Animation Course
finally actual animation, continue on with the Complete Animation Course

Should be enough to get into animation. Supplement with videos on youtube if you need to.

>>6443980
first, it was the head's angle, then it was the the shape of the head itself, then it was the angle again. This is the general idea I have in mind.

>>6443980
it's hk416

>>6443990
joke's on you, i'm already on multiple federal lists
>>6443989
ahh i see. well, i don't see anything super glaring so hopefully it'll look fine when you wake up in the morning :)

>>6443987
bless up. thank you, anon!

>>6444002
that wasn't a joke to get you to google a gun, it's a character named hk416 from a chinese gambling app where all the girls are guns

I can only fluke my way into drawing something good looking. I am shit 90% of the time and then boom out of nowhere for no reason there it is. A good drawing.

Then if you tell me to draw something similar immediately afterwards i'll come out like a child's drawing and I won't be able to do anything decent for god knows how long.

Any flukes in here?.

How do we draw this without making the face look old and ugly

>>6444057
don't

>>6444057
>without making the face look old and ugly
That kind of line is generally used to make expressions or older looking faces. Rule of thumb is the younger the person is, the less lines you draw on their faces.

ou must wait longer before deleting this post.

>>6444086
>>6444096
i thought that she was just an idiot

>>6444098
no, it's me

>>6439984
how do i do clouds? specifically sunset clouds and which type of clouds should i try? i got a lot of tips but i am a dumbass and cant materialize it

Doing random Pinterest 10 minute portrait sketches until I get them right day 2. The journey is just beginning

>>6444045
idk if this is a stylistic choice, but you seem to draw hands very large, much larger than irl

ignore the text, its for a writing thing im doing.

>>6444147
mostly looking for help with the wings. a lot of my ocs have them so i draw them a lot, but in this image they look off and i cant figure out why

This is how all your catgirls are made. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

>>6444150
You're weird. Your artstyle, posts, subject matter, everything. Your cat persona gave me nightmares

>>6443954
>what's so bad about man and kid?
1) It's pedophilic and the gay poses the kid does don't help in that regard
2) He has his room full or posters of his own show splattered around like wanted posters
3) He's also watching this show from apparently years ago
4) He obviously punched the wall until he bruised his delicate knuckles since he has no signs of battle on him or his bat
5) Man and Kid
It's hilarious on so many levels

>>6444150
do u also own a white van?

>>6444166
What's weird about my artstyle? I just draw what I see.
>>6444186
My van is blue, sorry.

DMA44T

>>6444150
ill be the odd one out and say i really like your cat family, i thought it was funny and an interesting premise.

Though that may just because im weirder than you, so you seem normal by comparison, me having already submitted two out of my collection of 16 portraits of my one friend to this thread

>>6443977
I like the buttons on her head
Also, checked

>>6444145
I think you're right. I'll try to be more mindfull of it, thank you.

I haven't drawn in a week. Is it over for me?

>>6444145
6 head

>>6443362
This exercise changed my life

>>6442872
Lines too thick

>>6442597
Was reading the sticky through again last night, and that's actually where I read it

>>6443512
Read the sticky.
Practive basic forms, draw what you see in the world, lrn2 perspective etc.

>>6444101
any help anons, i just figure out how to do clouds specifically sunset clouds

>>6443768
Thanks anon and I've been trying to find a way of drawing them I like but I'm never a fan of how they turn out. I'll keep at it and try and find a way that looks good
>>6443807
>>6443825
Beg on beg wow! What a concept
>>6443915
Thanks. I know I'm not good at all but it's nice to know that it has something to it
>>6443924
I've been at them a lot more lately but clearly not enough. Back to the books I go and thank you.
>>6443935
Thanks I guess

Other than the perspective, critique?

I would like a bit more of information for the perspective as well, like I understand the points but like out of place objects that don't go to the vanishing point.

Also, you guys know how to self discipline? Like I know what I got to do to improve my art but I can't get myself to do it. Maybe you artfags could give some tips for that as well.

it feels like with pen and paper its so easy to have good lines, every pencil you pick up is gonna be alright to draw with. But on digital you have to spend so much time finding a good brush and making a good pressure curve just so things don't look like a coloring book. Its not even related to anatomy, my lines are just wobbly and have tails and the thickness is all over the place

>>6444407
One that stood out to me right away is their faces, they look flat and symbol-ish, especially the guy's.
As for perspective tips, it doesn't look half bad, but I'd recommend first blocking out the scene. Placing cubes on a plane and having them look decent in a simple perspective isn't hard to learn, then you just draw the drums and whatever within them.
I like your cross-hatching.

>>6444306
How?

>>6444417
Oh yeah, speaking about faces. That's something that I'm struggling with. Not sure what it is.

Like this other drawing of mine. The faces look off to me but don't know what it is.

any thoughts? it started off as a normal miku lineart and then idk i completed it yesterday while being depressed,angered and drunk

>>6444439
i really like the hair tie detail where it starts fraying out with red
it's kinda weird to me that it starts with digital brushes and then seems to use a paint emulator type thing, mostly because it's not a smooth transition

this whole reality is cursed.

>>6443793
Go read a art book before posting here again.

it keep happen. Satan curse. brain parasite. using the clock as a torture mechanism

it keep happen. Satan curse. brain parasite. using the clock as a torture mechanism

Do you guys like my cube

Please God let it end. Crystalize my brain. Remove the nano chip
742742742

Wondering why his looks seething with rage and mine looks like it has a malicious smile

Do you guys like my pyramid

>>6444546
Hard to explain, but other than the lighting helping, I think your head is wider and flatter, the original's eyebrows/eyes/side teeth loot a lot more angry and pulled upwards, like an angry emoji, yours being more horizontally-angled makes it look more like it's trying to deceive you.

>>6444546
Still look like a smile to me but here's some help.
Green is more of a snarl imo.

>>6444554
I hate the fact that such a big part of the problem was literally that I didnt give it angry enough eyebrows
I feel like the eyes are a big part of the problem. Mine somehow look too human and not as bestial, even though they're both blank. Maybe the fucked up size of the right eye is making it look like it's pulling a face?

>>6444057
use shadow & light to show it, lines are too pronounced and look like deep folds

>>6444430
all the facial features look just slightly misplaced and the smile on the middle left guy combined with his eyes looks a bit creepy id say study construction and expressions

3 Month begnon here, I struggle immensely with forming the hair
How can I make my hair not look so off?
I'm using Saito Naoki's technique of placing the color first to build up the shape, but even doing so I can't
get something that looks like what I want. I'm using many references of ichinose asuna, but I can't get it down

>>6444577
Oh shit, I just realized what it was, after looking at the Bridgeman anatomy book I have.

The cheekbones were messing me up. I was connecting the chin all the way to the ear without much consideration about the front part of the face. Im supposed to make the front of the face have the chin connect to the cheekbone (they make a triangle shape) and then connect the chin to the ear to make it not so flat.

Not sure if I explained it right but it clicked, thanks bro. I'll definitely go practice some expressions now.

>>6444586
>i looked up an eye tutorial without knowing literally anything about drawing
kek

>>6444604
From staring at 20 asuna images*
please help anon I can't stare at hair for some reason

>>6444594
no problem, i love helping people to improve their art
>>6444586
its because you arent drawing individual strands of hair
add more details. also, i hope you are only using this reference pic for hair practice, because the hands and perspective on it are really bad

>>6444629
Hair and face practice, mainly the hair as my works become basically ruined right now when I get to doing hair

thanks a lot for showing that anon, The strands you've drawn completely changes how it looks

I cant move from drawing shapes to drawing people. I've decided I will alter reality to turn this dimension into cubes and spheres.

Going to repost this from the /salt/ thread

Pic related I have a question if anyone would be so kind
Since I've started drawing I've been using my own H-game char as my reference, she has closer to 'super model' proportions, and currently I've got 'OK' at drawing her in most poses with only slight angling off etc,
Am I actively harming my learning by using her as my reference?

I tried using regular people as my reference earlier on, but quickly started getting revolted by staring at 3D, regardless how autistic that sounds.

If its really actively hurting my drawing I could look around for a set I'm not repulsed by, then buy that and try, but so far I've done many on her and would prefer to if its not stunting my growth

>>6444654
it's fine to use her.you nowhere near where it does matter. but use preset poses, they are less broken. I don't like that you focus on contour, but this is just me

any good resources to learn pixel art?

>>6444654
anatomy on this model is good but the poses are stiff.

>>6444407
Both characters look like chris from family guy and the kick drum has melted. Try to focus for 5 seconds when you draw a circle or oval so it comes out even

>>6444661
>>6444671
thanks anons I'll continue using her then, I'm a beginner of beginner beg (hadn't touched a pencil since a kid then just bought a tablet) and really I only see contours at the moment. The poses are poses from pose packs I got I'll try and find more dynamic ones to use in the future

>>6444540
>>6444552
Are you trolling, that is not a cube and not a pyramid

Does anyone know a good way to learn construction?

I want to finally be able to start studying anatomy

I'm getting tired of just copying stuff, I've been at if for an entire month straight

>filtered by the cube
Fellow /beg/s I'm flailing. I've drawn about a hundred of these and I can just barely "see" the cuboid rotating along the initial "Y," but I'm struggling to put it into paper. So far have really only done some cartoony stuff with Loomis, read relevant sections in Framed Perspective, and gotten this far in Drawabox. Does it get better naturally as I'm going along, or should I home in on something specific?

To date I have evidence in my own mind of skills developed since I previously couldn't "see" what I can "see" now (the cuboid in perspective along with rough plotted points in imagined 3-point perspective) so there might be an argument for just literally drawing 250 (-100) boxes, but wondered if anyone else struggled to make the cube rotate freely.

Any critiques?

NEW THREAD
>>6444867
>>6444867
>>6444867

>>6439984
hi guys, was an sfw 2d artist a few years ago for like 2 years then gave it all up to focus on 3d art, but now im finally bored with that so im beginning learning nsfw art, spent the last 3 or 4 days just 24/7 at my tablet recreating ref pics
anyway this is my most recent result following sketched anatomy recreations. i know this isn't great but i need to know, is it like EMBARASSINGLY bad? I think it is at least acceptable, i mean the face kinda sucks but the pose and shading seems alright to me (no idea how i would effectively draw pubes so i just used a brush for that, not sure how i feel abt it)
some of the works in this thread for being 'beginner to intermediate' blow me away so that's not a great sign for me

>>6444301
no, keep going
when you come back to it after a few months you'll find you've massively improved somehow

>>6444880
Yeah, nah, it's fine. Not great, but not terrible.

>>6444854
Did you use a mirroring tool to create the shadow under her nose?
I mean you did, and I can see it.

>>6444546
I think it's the eyes mostly

>>6446527
Yep i did...And?