/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

And a new addition, not technically a publisher, but a new platform to host your manga:

Manga Plus Creators by Shueisha
https://medibang.com/mpc/

Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma19-overflowing-tears-silent-manga-audition/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

Aaaaaand I forgot to put the thread title "/mmg/ - Manga Making General" in the OP. My bad, it won’t happen next time.
Manga page is from Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu.

How about we add something like a thread question or some kind of thread challenge? I think it will make discussion more active and improve creation.

I am very unsure about this page layout but I've revise it multiple times over the past several weeks and I just have to run with it.

Being new is hard.

>>6430797
yeah, a challenge for 2 page comics

>>6430778
Here are some ideas for people to tackle:
>A boy confesses his love to a girl at the beach
>A man blows up at his boss at work
>A father disappointed in his son
>An Otaku meeting his favorite mangaka

Take these ideas in whatever directions you'd like. I'll do a couple myself soon

>>6430787
Onyl one of these contests is still ongoing lol

I've mined 2127 日本語 sentences so far! omw to becoming fluent!

some more drafts.

>>6432767
I like the simplicity of the left one, though feel it loses some of the story telling - the right one's best in that regard. I don't know much about this shit, but I have a feeling I have a loose understanding of the plot just from that image.

>>6432767
im in love with your art already

Is it a good idea to quit comics and try to make my name as a novelist, and then use that audience to publish comics?

Krenz suggests begs copy from reference images and increase the reference image difficult (more curves, more details) as you improve.

Is there a good pack of images to use as like a level 1, level 2, etc reference image for copying?

If not, can we start sharing some?

>>6432767
Needs some context. Is it porn? Gore? Is it female centric? If so then including the dude is necessary.

>>6434392
That's /asg/ talk, unless you meant to post there and did here by accident. In case you missed it, they have exactly that on their OP pastebin: https://files.catbox.moe/d7xqs7.rar
I'm not going to say accuracy isn't important but remember the whole point of it is to help you study other things, and as soon as you're even vaguely comfortable with those cartoon images try doing Bargue instead. It has a difficulty curve too, you don't start out having to copy a fully rendered Belvedere torso.

>>6434507
ty anon, i thought ii was in /asg/ lmao. i entered 4chan.org/ic/asg into the browser and clicked the first one.

I appreciate the link to the catbox file, this is amazing i cant believe they already have this made :)

I've spent all my time writing and like zero time drawing so my writing is pretty good now but I really gotta draw more.
Every time I write a new story I think this is gonna be the one but then I write it more, it's more fleshed out and eventually I change my mind. I need to spend more time thinking what the story should be in general.
One of my favorite scenes is the train scene from spirited away, Miyazaki called it something but essentially nothing happens.
Stuff like that has a lot of soul. I think my writing has been too influenced by movies so I've started to read books. Right now I'm reading hg wells the first men in the moon.

>>6430797
>Aaaaaand I forgot to put the thread title "/mmg/ - Manga Making General" in the OP. My bad, it won’t happen next time
Mistakes happen to everyone

>How about we add something like a thread question or some kind of thread challenge? I think it will make discussion more active and improve creation
Sounds good.

>look at webtoons comics that are popular
>my daughter is the villain's wife!!
>the son of the hero of the different dimension
>my villain is father of the lover's daughter
>the guy who rules an empire and looks like light yagami has a daughter and she likes boys

can someone explain this?

>>6435422
it's like isekai shit in manga. they rehash a series that worked well to make a quick buck off it.

>>6435426
make a quick buck off comics? This shit taking me a month to make a few pages, how the fuck is this a grift?

>>6435429
Most of the work in a comic is just the planning and writing, getting down to drawing it is easy. When you start off with a canned generic premise that you have no personal investment or stake in, you can just bang them out. Especially when the target audience has zero standards.

>>6435510
How many comic pages have you draw in your life? Drawing takes time, and drawing something fast in a good way is incredibly hard.

>>6435740
for beginners, but an experienced mangaka can pump out a few pages a day for a low effort sol isekai manga where the writing and planning is pretty much already done

>>6435740
Several hundred by now, the drawing is the quickest and easiest part once you get the basics down and only gets better from there.

finished some new pages of my idol comic

Tapas: https://tapas.io/episode/2723446

webtoon scroll: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/season-finale-part-2/viewer?title_no=303092&episode_no=108

>>6435510
>Learn to draw to a level that can be generously called 'passable' - still takes hundreds of hours
>Spend many hours each day drawing out the pages
>Post it to an oversaturated and relatively tiny audience

I don't know how accurate Togashi's old 1991 estimates are, especially considering webtoons are not manga, but this seems like a really inefficient grift

>>6435510
>Most of the work in a comic is just the planning and writing, getting down to drawing it is easy.
Fucking lol

>>6435883
>>6435884
soul

>>6436062
>>6435907
I mean if you are starting from absolute zero and don't know how to draw at all, sure that sounds daunting. But most comic artists / mangaka were drawing from a young age and by the time they decide to get into manga they already have the basics down pat.

>>6436243
Anon that was a completely ridiculous statement, as a guy who's drawn well over a thousand pages, drawing the fucking thing is easily the majority of the time spent on a project by ANY measure.

>>6436263
Then your story is garbage

>>6436288
your response makes zero sense but okay

>>6436243
You apparently know better than Togashi himself, so obviously, I must kneel. You know, Togashi, the man who became a manga sensation before he was old enough to drink in some countries.

>>6436263
And most artists would agree with you. Mostly because you're right.

official discord here:

https://discord.gg/SPCNzhv9

Hey guys. New to manga making, can anyone tell me what are those streaks of lines coming out of the bottom of the middle panel is? And how do I recreate it in csp?

>>6437063
Those are lines. That they drew, with a pen.
>And how do I recreate it in csp?
By drawing lines. I'd recommend a ruler. Check out the special rulers, there's some goodies in there.

>>6437063
I'm pretty sure they're meant to represent the shiny floor's reflections and give a sense of the 3D space(the light coming from the balcony and further inside the room around where Shin is being relatively more in shadow), but double compositionally as a sort of "speed line" effect. Most effective comic composition will have physical elements uphold emotional ones.
Most drawing programs will have a parallel ruler. You could probably automate it but stuff like that sticks out like a sore thumb, webtoons are full of pasted-on effects and it makes things look relatively cheap.

>>6437063
It's just an effect to balance the composition and separate the middle panel from the last two. It isn't realistic, judging by the other reflections that tone doesn't make sense.

You can easily do it in CSP using a radiant ruler or a perspective ruler.

Is this shit really done with just a Gpen, a ruler and some screentones
It feels like sorcery to me, I can't manage to get close to how these lines look

>>6437394
Break down the image.
Any individual part of this image is fairly simple. All of it put together is just a lot to look at. Make no mistake; it's very good and not at all easy to replicate. But there's no magic here. Just skill and experience.
Same goes for any piece of art.

You guys think E-Hentai is a good place to upload a comic? I don't have any porn content planned, but I feel like an older audience would be more interested in my looks/style than the newer communities

>>6437394
It's just lines on paper, man. What else would you need besides a pen and a ruler?

>>6437394
Not exactly.

There is a video of him drawing and inking an illustration, and you can you actually see him holding a comic page with only the characters in the panels without the backgrounds. I suppose he leaves them to assistants as every other mangaka, and they use fine liners, perspective grids, and other tools.


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkozKZtKEuA

Apologies for my newfagotry but has anyone bought from deleter-usa before?

>>6437448
There is a non-H tag so you can upload whatever you want. Maybe you can upload to mangadex too unless they are super anal about the author being required to be an asian.

>>6438367
Mangadex is full of user-made comics, you just need to give the jannies a heads-up first.

>>6438367
>There is a non-H tag so you can upload whatever you want.
I don't think there's anything stopping you but you're not likely to get any more readers than you would if you uploaded to, say, pixiv or newgrounds or twitter or any other website. People use EH almost exclusively for porn, the non-H tag is for artbooks, not for people to upload actual series to. It doesn't have a very good online reader either, it's mostly good just as an archive.
>Maybe you can upload to mangadex too unless they are super anal about the author being required to be an asian.
They aren't. I've uploaded my own stuff. All you have to do is get in contact with one of their staff to approve adding a new series, or least that's how it was a year or so ago when I did it.

How does b&w trad manga style fare with the audience of webtoon/tapas ? I prefer working with just ink and screentones, but all I'm seeing here are colored comics, at least for the ones Webtoon features.

I know they straight up ignore traditional page-by-page comics, just wondering if it's the same with b&w because I don't want to miss my shot.

>>6437415
Skill and experience is magic in itself!
That picrel looks crazy good.
>>6437449
Yeah, im amazed.
>>6437453
Interesting.

How can I replicate the texture in Fujimoto's tones easily?
I'm experimenting with some two layers, and Tone -> Noise, but surely there must be an easier way?

I know you could just paste a noise material from the Clip store but that wouldn't be versatile for if I wanted a darker or lighter version of it. I guess I could just add a new multiply/add (glow) layer to it if I need though.

>>6439431
Think I'm getting a bit closer but not sure now to make it feel more blurred

>>6439431
It is indeed done using a noise material. Insert a noise layer over your art (without toning), then use a mask to erase and get the white parts and gradients. I always use a slight gaussian blur over tones or textures so that they look less janky.

To adjust the brightness, go to edit > tonal correction > adjust brightness/contrast.

>>6439465
Any recommended noise materials?
>mask to erase and get white parts and gradients
I just figured out how to "erase" with masks but you can do gradients with them too?
> I always use a slight gaussian blur
>To adjust the brightness, go to edit > tonal correction > adjust brightness/contrast.
So the noise has to be in a raster layer right? Since you can't do these for vector layers AFAIK

>>6439465
Like my questions implied, I didn't get what you meant by using a mask to achieve a gradient, but what I did here was applying a noise-ish material, then rasterizing, adjusting the brightness, and gaussian blurring it, and it seems relatively close to what Fujimoto had so I'm pretty happy with it.

Still hopefully looking forward to any answers to my follow-up questions though.

>>6439465
*i also erased via mask as you suggested. just didn't get the gradient part.

>>6439471

>Any recommended noise materials?
I personally just use the default one and it does the job well enough. It's in your material folder under Monochromatic Pattern.
>I just figured out how to "erase" with masks but you can do gradients with them too?
Just erase on the mask using the airbrush tool. Besides your color wheel there should be a small alpha grid rectangle, if you select it your brush turns into an eraser.
>So the noise has to be in a raster layer right? Since you can't do these for vector layers AFAIK
Yep, once you adjust the settings (tiling, size, etc) you can rasterize and blur.

I could show an example and try to recreate the fujimoto pic you sent but I'm banned from sending images for some reason, I'll try and post it on catbox if you need.

>>6439485
>default one
picrel?
>Just erase on the mask using the airbrush tool.
Oh okay so no with the actual gradient tool. Thanks
>Yep, once you
Sweet

I think I'm good without catbox example for now unless you saw something really weird with what I had here >>6439477 (besides the fact that instead of using noise type I used Drawing Paper C for some reason)

What are you working on btw, if you care to share? You are quite knowledgeable so I'm curious if you have a manga you're working on rn.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

>>6438356
Yeah, I bought their beginner set. I don't have much experience with comic making but I liked it.

Thoughts?

>>6439502
study from life, you'll see the "transition gradient" is different based on the lighting conditions

>>6439502
One of the many fun side effects of the inverse square law. This is why it's good form to make obscured light shadows thirty to fifty percent darker than the direct light areas, and to make occulsion drop off into obscured light shadows real quick. It's cool stuff.

>>6439471
You can "draw" a mask using any brush, including soft and textured brushes.

>>6439494
I'm using the one called "Paper" most of the time, it gives a nice trad feel.

And thanks for asking, I'm hoping to publish my first webcomic next month. I don't post progress on mmg since it's gay stuff, but here's a tiny censored piece of the spread i'm working on rn.

https://files.catbox.moe/lus8ex.png

Merry Christmas to you too!

>>6436831
What do I need to do to join?

>>6439520
Thanks!

>>6439521
which paper from picrel?? there isn't one called just "paper" :(
>catbox
Awesome sneak peek! Hope your webcomic will be loved by its readers!

>>6436831
uhhh what is this title lol

>>6439538
For some reason it shows up in my created material rather than default one, just to be 100% sure here it is- just dl the image and open in CSP, convert layer to image material, do tiling in the tool property and register it as a new material, it should work.

https://files.catbox.moe/19w5lh.png

>>6439539
crossposter from /co/'s /hyw/ most likely

>>6439557
gottem. wishing you the best and that your kindness is repaid to you threefold in the future

>Understanding Comics
>Making Comics
>Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga

Anyone have these? the mega links are dead

How do you all keep your storyboards, as storyboards? I feel like I always end up drawing more detail than I 'should', but this leads to me being less flexible, as well as generally taking longer and making me lose motivation.

>>6440241
Use something inconvenient to draw details with, like a crayon or a large brush. Use a smaller piece of paper/canvas.
Even if you wanted to make it detailed you wouldn't be able to.

I hate writing. I suck, and its trash and its awful.
Im trying to get into making comics and this time Im trying to make the story first. Shits hard. I only have pages of bullet points. And a few rough attempts at develop plot and characters.

>>6440771
Me too anon. I've been writing for a little over 2 years now and all of it has been trash. Starting to think I should just go with storyboards/one page shorts and going off from there because at least I'd have something.

>>6440771
>>6440777
try adapting existing stories like fairy tales! Thats what Disney did for Snow White, Pinocchio, etc.

>>6440771
I'm sort of in the opposite situation. I've never been formally trained in writing, but I've always had a knack for it, and have studied it a lot over the past several years. So I'm intimately aware of the many flaws of my art when it comes to CONVEYING that story.

The ink is weak but the pen is willing.

>>6439656
>Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
You can find this one on archive

>>6439656
>Manga in Theory and Practice
I have it and it's not very expensive man, 15€ or so, highly recommend it.
The focus isn't really on actually drawing (read loomis for that) but on how to create a great shonen type comic

give it to me straight: Is it actually possible to learn Japanese fluently and become a Japanese mangaka, or should I give up the whole thing and focus on making comics here?

>>6441532
even if you learned how to speak japanese, you'd never understand their culture and customs and the people around you would always view you as a filthy gaijin. japanese are nationalistic to a fault, they don't even accept their asian neighbors in their own country who was born and raised there, like chinese or koreans.

>>6441535
do you have any examples of this, or are you repeating what you heard?

>>6441532
the guy who did Metamorphosis was japanese but born in NYC, and said he had to study japanese quite a bit because there were a lot of grammar mistakes.

either hire a good translator or forget about it lol

>>6441541
How would he have any examples that aren't just anecdotes? It's not like this is a scientific field, that's just the common wisdom people who have lived there bring back.

>>6441648
not gonna base my decisions off rumors and stereotypes, anon. Plenty of foreigners work in Japan

>>6441619
thanks, anon

>>6441532
Depends what you think you can offer their audience for entertainment. There's already thousands of Japanese born citizens who struggling to get their manga picked up or even reviewed. A lot of series get discontinued before even finishing. Their manga world is very competitive.

There's also a chance of a comic overseas getting popular in Japan. Its not unheard of. There's plenty of westerbros in Japan.

>>6441541
i'm literally east asian born in asia, have east asian friends and this is the norm in the east-asian culture. japanese, korean, and chinese can agree on one thing and it's that they hate foreigners. the first thing they blame when some crime or disruption in their society happens is foreigners.

>>6441663
Thats like every country ever

>>6441664
the east asian countries are on a whole 'nother level of racism from dindus and burgers.

Use to draw alot, but lost alot of interest this year. I wanted to make a story but all my ideas are just boring and don't speak to me, I don't really know what I want to write about. I don't know why I'm doing this, I'm trying to escape my life. I want something to dream and work towards that could change my life and I feel excited about it, spent months hardly drawing this year and it's been miserable.

>>6441660
>not gonna base my decisions off rumors and stereotypes, anon. Plenty of foreigners work in Japan
Yes, we know, that is where the info comes from. Anyway, he's talking about the culture as a whole, not each and every individual japanese person. Obviously not all japanese are ultranationalists who hate gaijin or whatever, nobody's saying that. But it IS true that their overall culture isn't very welcoming to non-japanese. I can't say it's true that "you'd never understand their culture and customs and the people around you would always view you as a filthy gaijin", but I can say that there are depths to the cultural differences that you're unlikely to be aware of until you run into them, and that generally living in japan as a foreigner will almost certainly be a very frustrating experience. They're a historically insular culture, and a general distrust of outsiders is deeply ingrained in their culture and bureaucratic systems.

>>6441664
Japan is like everywhere else but even moreso.

>>6441672
Do something you enjoy, don't try to force yourself to like something you clearly don't.

>>6441674
>Do something you enjoy, don't try to force yourself to like something you clearly don't.
this is the most useless response you could give, I already said arts the only thing I enjoyed and life has been shit since I lost passion for it.

>>6441674
I still don't understand what "not welcoming to foreigners" really entails, like, any specific examples? I know foreigners aren't allowed in certain restaurants and some landlords won't lease to foreigners, but those are the least of my worries. if you win a contest with one of your mangas, that you yourself wrote in japanese, then are there any real problems?

>>6441682
>I already said arts the only thing I enjoyed and life has been shit since I lost passion for it.
Nowhere in your post did you say that. You just said that you used to draw a lot but aren't interested in it anymore but are still forcing yourself and are sad. You said you want something to dream and work towards but you also said you don't know what to write about and that all your ideas are boring and don't speak to you. So my advice is find something else, something that actually does interest you and that you don't need to force yourself to do. Comics are far, far, faaaar take far too much work to make if you're not into it.

>>6441683
Well, for example, supposing you win contests and get "into" the manga industry, prepare to have every publisher push you to write semi-autobiographical "this is my every day life as a foreigner in japan"-type comics instead of whatever you want to make. Source: Felipe Smith detailed just that in an interview on Cartoonist Kayfabe a while back.

>>6441695
yeah, I watched those Felipe Smith interviews, but they just made me want to pursue Japan even more. Felipe did say he got "Deathmetal Zombie Cop" greenlighted by the publisher, which isn't a biographical manga

>>6441683
well first there is bias and nationalism that japanese wants a japanese person to win a japanese contest. they can smell the gaijin from a mile away even if they larp in their skin and language. because there are nuances that foreigners would never ever understand unless they lived in the country and dealt with the people themselves. even in art style, there are western sensibilities that can be sensed in even line strokes.

also, what sort of cucked country would want to ever admit a foreigner does manga better than where it originated from? it's an insult to their own country and people. they would never ever allow it.

for an example, i'm east asian born in asia and i immigrated to america. although i surrounded myself with my kind and grew up with east asian media, they still saw me as a foreigner even though we are from the same country. if you are not asian, they don't even see you as human. they think of you more like an interesting monkey and something completely alien. if you draw and write well they'll clap like they would for a toddler who learned their first steps or like a dog that learned a clever trick. but behind your back, they will think you must be forfeiting your own country to live in their superior country, and are essentially a disgusting traitor and a lower being. don't even think about dating their women; they will band together to harass your wife and your child for being a mutt and traitor. your connections are shot and you would never be part of the inner circle to get ahead in the country.

>>6441701
Anon he didn't get that greenlit in japan. The whole point of his anecdote about that was that he couldn't do what he actually wanted to do with it and that so he figured he'd be better off just moving back to the states and making it for a western audience as a kickstarter, which is what he did. And if you listened to that portion of the interview then you already have examples of the intrinsic cultural differences, so why are you pretending you don't? He explains a handful of inherent differences in how a japanese audience reacts to certain character traits vs how a western audience does, and he certainly didn't list off every difference.

>>6441695
>Nowhere in your post did you say that.

if you can't read spare me the 2iq advice

>Use to draw alot, but lost alot of interest this year.
>spent months hardly drawing this year and it's been miserable.


One day you'll go through what I'm going through, try to get new hobbies and interests, realize everything sucks, and wish you could just get excited about art again, and I hope you get fucked in the ass by 12 black dudes while you're going through that.

>>6441712
>Anon he didn't get that greenlit in japan.
He did, sounds like I listened to the interview more than you did. Also, I'm asian, so those scummy remarks from other Japanese don't bother me

>>6441707
idk, sounds like a lot of headcanon. Any instances where you were mistreated and "treated like a monkey"? I'm all ears, because I'm looking for any good reason to give up my crazy stupid dream of being a mangaka

>even in art style, there are western sensibilities that can be sensed in even line strokes.
Do you even know how many foreigners anime studios will hire as freelance? If you're good, you're good. they're human beings, they'll treat you like one if you get to know them

>>6441717
you're so rude, no wonder you're miserable. Spice up your love life and maybe you'll be happy again

>>6441728
you're going to have a real spicy love life the next time you meet 12 black dudes

>>6441717
I've been around the block a few times, anon. I've been through all this myself and I know damn well what it's like, which is exactly why I'm suggesting that you find something else to do.
I don't know why you expect me to know you life's story, but I can only go off what you put in your post and what you put in your post said nothing about it being "the only thing you enjoy". Actually you're contradicting yourself, because you claim it's the only thing you enjoy and yet the whole reason you're posting about it is because you lost your passion for it and no longer enjoy it. So I'm giving you genuine advice when I say to step back and do something else for a while. If you want to come back to art then you'll come back to art, and if you find something else you'd rather do then great, that's good too. But you have nothing to gain from trying to force yourself to enjoy drawing, it's not like one day a switch is going to flip and you'll magically have your passion rekindled. It just doesn't work like that. Sorry if all you wanted was "just keep at it anon" asspats, but I'm not interested in doing somebody dirty like that.

>>6441721
>He did
Is that why he kickstarted it instead of going through a publisher?
>https://youtu.be/lIlp__zyovk?t=5940
>And then I realized that the series that they did actually accept was actually more apt for a western audience than a japanese one, for many reasons, and that turned out to be something I did a kickstarter for many years later which is Death Metal Zombie Cop.
>That was actually accepted and they were ready to do it, but when I thought about it it was about police, it was about the law [proceeds to explain a whole bunch of cultural views about cops and horror movies and how he couldn't explore any of the things he wanted to because a japanese audience views things completely differently]
Sure, they greenlighted the version where he wouldn't actually be able to do tackle the themes he wanted, which is why he didn't do it.

>>6441724
>Any instances where you were mistreated and "treated like a monkey"?
i don't get that treatment because i'm still east asian. it's non-asians that get treated this way. i already described to you how you are being treated as a foreigner. you're given the "retard" treatment. they act nice to your face, but then behind your back they think you're disgusting and retarded, just like how people treat retards in real life.

the only reason why foreigners get hired as freelance is because they are gullible, cheap labor who is still willing to suck japanese dick for experience.

>>6440781
I think I will take this advice.

>>6441746
>I don't know why you expect me to know you life's story, but I can only go off what you put in your post and what you put in your post said nothing about it being "the only thing you enjoy". Actually you're contradicting yourself, because you claim it's the only thing you enjoy and yet the whole reason you're posting about it is because you lost your passion for it and no longer enjoy it.
lol ok I'm going to clarify not that the semantics even matter at all, but I use to love drawing, now I don't and life has been miserable & empty, I wish I could get back into it and that's why I'm writing this post.
telling someone to give up and find something new is just useless advice, I don't want to give up art I want to get back to when I really enjoyed it, I spent years working towards it and there's nothing else I've found that could replace it.

Is Manga still as rough on the body as it used to be back in the 90s?

>>6441778
Sounds like you're burnt out. Again, do something else for a while. Don't just sit around playing video games or whatever, go actually do some other activity, something that isn't going to make you feel like a lazy piece of shit. Pick up a craft, maybe get into video editing, or a sport, or a hobby like hiking or skateboarding or whatever. Maybe try to find something that will actually engage your brain instead of just being a mindless time-killer like most consumerist hobbies like video games or TV.
This doesn't mean "give up", this means go do something else and don't be so closed to the idea that maybe there actually is something you might enjoy either in addition to art or even instead of art. People grow and interests change over time, you are not immune to this.

Besides, consider the notion you brought up before, that you none of your ideas speak to you and you can't think of anything interesting. Really consider what that says about you as a creator. If all you do is draw and have absolutely nothing else in your life, how the hell can you expect to write about anything?

Also, say you keep going as you are, how do you expect this to work out? Say you change nothing and continue to push yourself to draw even though you no longer feel any passion or pleasure from it, always hating yourself for not drawing more. Do you think you can push yourself through that to make comics? Do you understand that even one-shots can take hundreds of hours of drawing to finish, and that a series is an incredible amount of work? This is absolutely not a field you succeed in without either enjoying or being passionate about the work enough to push through it even if it's painful. If you can't bring yourself to make reasonable progress on anything then you're doomed to fail unless you do something about it.

>>6441826
Yes, nothing has changed.

>>6441835
>go actually do some other activity
Lol nobody really is listening but yeah I already tried other things, my life is empty. I got into fitness and running and I enjoy it, but otherwise my life is empty, meaningless, I'm working towards nothing, art gave me purpose and meaning.

>Besides, consider the notion you brought up before, that you none of your ideas speak to you and you can't think of anything interesting. Really consider what that says about you as a creator. If all you do is draw and have absolutely nothing else in your life, how the hell can you expect to write about anything?
You think every mangaka & professional artists lived some crazy life? fuck no they were geeks sitting alone at lunch, spend all their time reading manga, watching & anime, movies.

> Do you think you can push yourself through that to make comics? Do you understand that even one-shots can take hundreds of hours of drawing to finish, and that a series is an incredible amount of work?
not worried about that in the slightest, my first goal was just to create a story I really like and enjoy, then thumbnail/rough sketch it out, I don't care about everything past that until then. I don't think the work matters when you really fuck with what you're doing.

>>6441897
>nobody really is listening
I think you may think you're saying more than you actually are in your posts, lol. It's not that nobody's listening, it's that you're not actually expressing the part that you seem to think you are.
>I got into fitness and running and I enjoy it
So you do have something else you enjoy? Well why didn't you say that? That's already proof that you can enjoy things other than art, so why do you think there's only one road for you? You seem to be locked into this mindset that you HAVE to rekindle your love for drawing (yet ignoring advice to help you do exactly that) but you don't realize that the brute force approach is how you ended up where you are right now. It's obviously not working out for you, so take a less direct approach instead of beating your head against a brick wall.
>You think every mangaka & professional artists lived some crazy life?
No, but I'm fairly sure most of them had some interest in something for them to write stories about, be that martial arts or b-movies or psychology or basketball or their own fantasy world or real life or even other manga. Those who found something to write about wrote about it and then either failed or succeeded, but those who didn't only failed.

>>6441984
I'm not giving up art, there's nothing that can compare, I spent 8 months and couldn't find anything else that interested me, nothing has any meaning in comparison. I'm open to finding something new, but all I wish for is my passion for art to come back. Give up is dumb gay advice queers give.

>>6442014
If you only care about drawing but don't care about writing a story you can be an illustrator and find someone to be a writer. Look for a writer to pair together with.

>>6442014
I've said numerous times that I'm not telling you to give up.

>>6439656
manga in theory and practice is on nyaa
t. seeder

What artists do great values? I need to study.

>>6436831
discord.gg/6gAdmrz3Km

the link updated

>>6442092
Tsukushi Akihito

>>6439431
>>6439432
>>6439477
i really like these drawings, do you have a blog?

>>6442128
I'm not the one you are asking, but what's a blog?

>>6442129
>what's a blog
I'm not going to get upset, this isn't sarcasm, I just genuinely want to know where you came from. Reddit? Twitter? I'm seriously curious, what brought you here? Are you a boomer. or underage? You need to be 18 years old to post here you know.

>>6441695
>supposing you win contests and get "into" the manga industry, prepare to have every publisher push you to write semi-autobiographical "this is my every day life as a foreigner in japan"-type comics instead of whatever you want to make.

So, you mean I can put my street cred as eastern european slavic subhuman poor dog-eating, chauvinist, rude, cruede and proud of it xenophobic garbage shaped like human to work in Japan to earn some cash?

>>6442586

nah, they already have enough unfuckable virgin retards locally, you need to bring something else to the table.

>>6442628
I just pretend to be a criminal thug (actually come pretty close to being one for real belive it or not), like middle class niggers who rap.

Posting last three pages.
wingsofdaera.cfw.me/
https://tapas.io/series/Wings-Of-Daera

>>6443001
Generally people tell me I keep improving but I feel a vague dissatisfaction everytime I finish a page. With that said it might be I'm getting burnt out.

>>6443002
This page needed an extra layer of shading and I completely forgot.

>>6443001
>>6443002
>>6443003
i really love your coloring and composition, but your drawing does need some work. I'd spend 1 hr a day, before drawing your pages, doing figure drawings or anatomy studies. Even just copying through Bridgman or Morpho will help

>>6443001
>>6443002
>>6443003
Looks decent but isn't this a webcomic?
This is /mmg/

>>6443088
webcomics are fine

>>6443094
webcomics aren't manga though

>>6443094
Then why is it /manga making general. instead of /sequential art general/?

>>6443101
shut up nerd

>>6443102
shut up nerd

>>6443101
>>6443102
go see a doctor. I think you have a stick up your ass.

>>6443103
>>6443105
You know there are dedicated webcomic threads on /co/ right? Stop cross-contaminating.

>>6443111
>Stop cross-contaminating
no :)

Reminder that gatekeeping is necessary to maintain the integrity of your communities online and irl.
Anyone against gatekeeping is an outsider who will end up ruining the community.

>>6443127
that's fine, but webcomics, comics, and manga all belong in this general

>>6443118
Your comic looks like shit anyways.

>>6443131
Webcomics aren't even manga-style so they aren't relevant to the thread

>>6443134
>>6443139
keep crying little baby boy waaaah waaaaaah stop ruining my little thread waaah waaaaah waaaah waaah waaah waaaah waaah waaah waaaaaaaah waaaaaahhh wahh go awaaayy pleasseeee waaah waaaah not my threeead waaaah :(

>>6443148
>t. assmad troll

>>6443139
it's true

>>6443148
go back to /co/ faggot stop shitting up the thread

The fact that he gets this mad over it proves webcomics don't belong. He knows they don't and he's trying to cause a big stink so people just shut up about it. Crybully tactics won't work here, you're in the wrong and everyone can clearly see it.

>>6443139
>>6443162
webcomics have been posted in this thread for 3 years now newfag. Stop coming into generals and trolling

>>6443162
>obviously samefagging
i'm sorry no one's here to back you up, anon :(

>>6443164
>3 years
Really? A whole 3 years, that's surely long enough to solidify it as appropriate.
That doesn't make it right, just because others were nice enough to not tell you to fuck off doesn't mean it's okay to post off-topic shit in specific-topic threads.
And just because you wrangle other /co/cksuckers from /hyw/ doesn't make it right either.
Make your own threads. These are for manga.

>>6443164
>3 years now newfag
lol kys

>>6443174
>>6443176
I was here since the International Tezuka award and it really looks like these threads have gone to such shit.

>>6443223
I've been here since 2010 and all these threads do is get shittier because less and less people call newfags on their bullshit.

what’s the point in drawing in black and white and in panels when your art looks like westoid shit? i’d rather look at webcomics with a good anime style which nips have already taken to adapting because it’s what’s trending for the future of manga.

>>6443085
Thank you anon, I'll do that.
I keep postponing doing proper intensive figure studies because I want to complete pages but I really need to do something to fight against this feeling of being stale I have.

>>6443088
I thought they were allowed, I have been posting in these threads for a good while. Mainly because the webcomic is trying to be anime-style.

>>6443285
Then make /wcg/ or go back to /co/

>>6443298
>Mainly because the webcomic is trying to be anime-style.
Then why not post in /asg/?
"anime style comic" =/= manga

>>6443285
>what’s the point in drawing in black and white and in panels when your art looks like westoid shit?
Japanese people did not invent black-and-white comics. Westerners have black-and-white too.
> i’d rather look at webcomics with a good anime style which nips have already taken to adapting because it’s what’s trending for the future of manga.
Black and white is kino, if you don't like it then don't do it and draw webcomics instead.

>>6443285
This thread is for creators, not spectators

>>6443369
says who? the mongoloid sperging out because people are posting comics on a thread about comics?

>>6443369
says who? the mongoloid sperging out at one of the only people who posted their work?

>>6443379
>posts irrelevant work
>a-at least h-he's contributing!

>>6443382
yes. and you're not.

>>6443384
You're fucking retarded lol

Someone has this but in HQ?

stop fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

context: girl with the bowlcut is a mentally ill tranny who was allowed to play on the female team of her uni's table tennis club but during a match she ends up hitting the ball too hard with her grotesquely huge man hands and hurts one of the other players. many such cases

>>6443412
Do you have Clip Studio? Does page borders automatically.
Also you can make this a template in Photoshop pretty easy.

>>6443426
kek

>>6443426
Uuuh based

>>6443432
What if I want to print it? I'm not digital

>>6443440
Buy Deleter or Canson manga/comic paper
If you're poor then you'll just have to take the low-res border outline > stretch it to fit the page you want > trace it so it's higher res > print

>>6443318
I am pretty sure anime style is manga.

In my head I have this ideal art style for my comics but every time I draw, its not even close.

>>6443615
stop drawing then

>>6443615
set aside however much time you can per day to sketch away at reaching that style, you'll keep getting closer to it the more time you spent chipping away at it.

or, just do this >>6443681

>>6443681
no

>>6443417
>>6443419
>>6443420
>>6443421
>>6443424
>>6443425
>>6443426
Blog??

>>6443596
You being sure doesn't mean you're right.

>>6443735
i don't really post much but
instagram.com/j0_____p
j0-p.tumblr.com

>>6443596
>anime and manga style are... le same?!?
lol
lmao

>>6443795
God that is the most boring fucking composition I have ever seen. I know animation is hard and expensive, but come on.

>>6441532
Yeah , there couple of foreigners who have been published in manga magazines. Picrel was written by a black weeb and got his worked published by Kodansha.
>>6441535
There are a lot koreans published in manga magazines.

>>6441535
I see that as a good thing honestly. I don't want to be accepted as anything other than what I am.

>>6443958
Here's another foreigner's(he's from spain ) manga published by kodansha .

>>6441535
That's why foreigners shouldn't try to write on Japanese culture with authority and focus on what they know and are good at as there are plenty of Japanese who are interested in foreign culture and the notion of the other. Asians discriminate each other in the work force and are very nepotistic but are also very easily fascinated by foreign media and culture so I think foreigners should use this to their advantage. Example being how Asians romanticize European culture and emulate some European customs, fashion and some even write manga with European themes. There are also plenty of Asians who are into western media, primarily movies and even capeshit at least is pretty popular where my family is from. I agree you can never be accepted as a native and it's cringe to want to be so it's better to be authentic to yourself and not pretend to be something else but still respect and understand the culture of where you live in. Discrimination is something you'll have to deal with anywhere and accept.

would i be allowed to post manga on 4chan /a/ and if what size should it be scaled to

>>6444123
No. /a/ is very strict and you'll likely be ridiculed for trying to post your work there.

>>6444123
Let's see your work first, a page

Did my first page study in my new sketchbook and man it was exhausting mimicking the ink effects traditionally. My software giving me easy rulers and paintbucket options is really a blessing and really cuts down the time I need. Still, will persevere, I must unlock the compositional secrets.

>>6444123
Dump a complete chapter. It is manga if it's manga format to the T
>black and white
>right to left
>panel composition

>>6444182
That's not how /a/ works. Mods don't like user created content, doesn't matter what you call it.

>>6444211
If it's good enough to be indistinguishable from professional manga you wouldn't have this problem.

>>6444123
/a/ doesn’t like user created manga. The dude who makes the manga Tekno used to shill his pages there and many hated him for that.
The only time where it was accepted was when an anon posted their manga because they won a manga contest (the Medibang one). And some were still complaining (saying that manga should only be made by Japanese etc).
Don’t post your manga unless it gets some kind of approval by pros (Japanese editors) or else it’s going to be removed from the board and you might get a ban.

>>6444223
>you
I don't have this problem. I'm just telling you the facts.

>>6441535
>you'd never understand their culture and customs

Imagine an average japanese. He’s rather dull. Half of them are dumber. All of them have no function in thier society. Can’t be that hard, right.

>>6444123
>Don’t post your manga unless it gets some kind of approval by pros (Japanese editors) or else it’s going to be removed from the board and you might get a ban.

There was guy that shilled his manga on a but he won a international competition mostly everyone let it slide aside from a few autists. As long as it gets recognized by the establishment your good ?

>>6444692
My Japanese friend is the son of a Sony suit, unironically.
>friend got me into manga when were like 9
>get heavy into drawing because of it
>fast forward 10 years, we're both at art school, different majors
>we hang at his house and work on our own things every so often
>his dad came home once, took a peek at my work, said "neat" and went to his office
We're 30 now and friend said he occasionally asks if I still draw manga. Does this count as recognition?
>pyw
No.

It's very simple. If it looks good, I'll call it manga. If it looks like shit, I'll call it webcomics.

how long did it take from you guys starting to learn to draw seriously to making manga? i'm pretty new to drawing, like 2 months of experience so far, and can't fathom making any serious character art for a year or two but to be able to do entire scenes at a consistent quality seems far off still

>>6444792
always have something to work on between studies, even if it's just character designs or something
otherwise you end up in an eternal grind situation

I finally decided to upload my 1st issue to various sites. It seems like medibang manga plus creators has drastically more views than other sites. It was also the easiest to upload to as i didn't have to downsize files, but I can't edit a post if I made an error. Webtoon got the least amount of views, but the highest subscription rate. Tapas seems average and what I'd expect. Anyways if anyone wants to check out issue 1: https://tapas.io/series/Oswald-the-Overman-in-the-Lesser-Planes-of-Hell/info

>>6443798
>>6443795
I miss old naruto, the dude who did the directing and key animation probably too old for it or just had enough due contract
>>6441532
Try publish it on mangaplus, a friend of mine from a different studio got his one-shot published on jump just this week with english based language.

>>6443285
Here i tried, but yeah nips style are evolving from year to year. Have you seen old capcom stuff made bt bengus !? that's the stuff !!!

>>6445280
this is cute anon, reminds me of crayon shin-chan. i don't get all the hate about webcomics, if anything it gives the author the chance to show his unfiltered vision for his story without editors tampering and worrying about marketing.

>>6443223
>>6443261
I'm confused, so what's right or wrong to do? You should call out newfags more yourself then, as a newfag I don't know what exactly is right to post here or not especially with differing opinions I've seen in these threads. I would rather want people calling me out than posting somewhere I don't belong, unaware of proper etiquette and acting like a fool for everyone to see and afraid to call out my bullshit.

>>6445290
I get it bro ha ha. Lot of anon here probably mistaken manga for current generic popular greyscaled with realistic body, no offense fellas.

>>6445273
wait, wtf is mangaplus? Is it an official site from shueisha? Why is it under medibang? Are there really monthly competitions up to $10,000 dollars? Can this lead into a series, even if you don't speak Japanese?

This sounds too good to be true. What other publishers / competitions are there?

>>6445295
just post your work and ignore the gatekeeping fags. they chased out some of the best artists here including someone who was in touch with a shonen jump editor after getting critiqued on their story-telling and art.

everyone here is going to have a different opinion, and my opinion is that /mmg/ implies comics (whether it's through traditional panels or top-to-bottom scrolling) in an anime style with eastern aesthetics and sensibilities because none of them will be actually "manga" without getting published in japan or being nationally japanese.

the problem is that most anons still have the westoid smell on their art style because they need to study more.

i think i can speak for everyone when i say no one wants to see pic related itt becoming the norm in the threads. shit like this should be contained to /co/.

>>6445347
>mangaplus
>medibang
I think they both are in the same company imo but with different child company, no idea honestly lol.
>Can this lead into a series, even if you don't speak Japanese?
Yep, don't give up :)

People tell me to get gud at oneshots before I make a series, so how do I know when I'm good enough? Will starting a series anyways help me get good at one shots?

>>6445351

>>6445351
I think there should be an accepted general consensus that is clearly defined in the OP otherwise newfags coming in will be confused and anons will continue fighting on what belongs or not in future threads. Some people are also mor extreme, in that some want to actually learn Japanese and have their comics be real manga while others may be inspired by manga but do not desire to make something that is an actual manga and only use manga is an influence. I don't plan on posting my things in the future again not for any big reason, but I wish people were much more clear or specific when I did post as a newfag and it really confused me a lot so I think it could be helpful for other newfags in the future.

>>6444786
Based.

Just did a quick sketch, is this manga ?

>>6445280
>>6445306
i love this, do you have a blog?

>>6445351
this looks so gay dude

>>6445408
https://vampirefortress.my.id, the second pic isn't mine okay lol

>>6445372
>>6445429
look at the morons who can't read. the pic i posted in that post was an example of what NOT to post itt, and it's not even mine. read the fucking filename. i hate zoomers so fucking much, you adhd fags don't belong here.

>>6445383
i agree

>>6442128
a-anon... I drew those with my mouse

>>6445563
I believe he was being ironic.

>>6445569
it's over

>>6445563
i don't care give me your blog right now!!!! if that's ok
>>6445569
no, i wasn't.

do not do it. he has ulterior motives. the people on /ic/ are cruel and always looking for the next artist to make fun of.

>>6445578
who hurt you? also, did you know you can reply to specific posts?

>>6445575
I was thinking about it and was 50/50 on it, but then I saw >>6445578 and realized that yeah I'd rather not take the risk. If I ever make it one day I'll make sure to come back to brag like there's no tomorrow, just for you. Thanks for the kind words anon

>>6445578
kek this. it's how the alice anon (the one who had the shonen jump editor) got dragged and mocked and he never returned since.

>>6445625
people laughed at him, but in my heart he's still my inspiration and senpai. I'll make it to Japan one day

>>6446022

>>6446027
german for the next 2

>>6446029

>>6446031

>>6432767
yet more concepts,

>>6434495
its a porn about a domineering chef and a submissive waitress

>>6446022
>>6446027
>>6446029
>>6446031
>>6446032
Since no one will probably tell you this:
It really takes either a lot of balls to actually publicly post this or a lot of fucking retardation.
This is the cringiest, underage fucking thing i've ever laid eyes upon that reminds me of my own cringey teenage years

jesus fucking christ, this is horrible and whoever tells you otherwise is a liar

>>6445625
I haven't been here for a while, did that really happen? rip. I had criticism for them too but never said it because hell, he has editors to do that for him.
>>6445684
nice

I don't ever get any closer to deciding whether to do left to right or not. I'm not publishing to the Japanese so it would be more prudent to read in the western direction. But at the same time it feels so wrong for the art style.

>>6446116

funny since its what the comic is about

pic related (speech bubbles not added yet) representing the desperation

>>6446127
Your comic is cringe on purpose? And the desperation is somehow a thing because?
Elaborate.

Reminder this is 4chan

>>6446125
Anything that match with your style man

>>6446144

its about a boy (me) that is descending into NEETdom after school because oh bad grades, low accomplishments, bad home life etc. and figuring the only way out of it is trying to recreate the comic of his childhood that he drew.
midway he realizes that this is a pointless endevour because trying to recreate the charm of your childhood days while using your non-skills is useless.

its a longform story that ends with a chapter how examining my female relationships in life

my first ever comic was this:
https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/modern-warfare/modern-warfare-part-1/viewer?title_no=773555&episode_no=3

thank you

>>6446155
Good luck.

>>6446116
I don't understand people drawing stuff like this if you haven't been studying for a few years and practicing.

Seems like a waste of effort to me to try and do Manga first before putting the work in to improve your fundamentals, especially given that at that skill level you'll never be published.

>>6447169
Not him but it's because waiting 2 years to do something you really wanna do is hell. Especially if you're constantly reminded of that thing by practicing something related to it.

Also, it probably won't be a complete waste for him as he should at least learning a little something about paneling.

>>6445351
>ignore the gatekeeping fags
>unironic tumblr-tier tranny art

Clockwork.

>>6447169
I started off drawing cringe manga when I was younger. My written stories were also cringe when I started. We all start from somewhere, so that we'd have a clearer direction of where to go in our art journeys.

>>6447269
Zoomers should get the rope.
>i think i can speak for everyone when i say no one wants to see pic related itt becoming the norm in the threads. shit like this should be contained to /co/.

This general really gone to shit.

>>6447279
Stopped reading your post at "ignore the gatekeeping"
Anyone against gatekeeping is just as cancer as the outsiders and trolls who come to shit it up

>>6447288
>Stopped
You're a fag and I didn't read the rest of your garbage.

>>6447279
zoomers are against gatekeeping retard

>>6447310
The people fighting for gatekeeping have a /beg/-tier pseudo anime style that looks like it's drawn by an autistic teen. The last time I saw anyone draw in a reasonably /int/ level no longer posts here as of a year ago.

>>6447320
So?

>>6447320
Yeah reddit is more your speed guy

>>6447323
>>6447327
Here are all the people who posted their work itt so far

>>6432767
>>6435883
>>6435884
>>6439431
>>6443001
>>6443002
>>6443003
>>6443417
>>6443419
>>6445402
>>6446022
>>6445280

Can you honestly say any of them look like authentic "manga"? If that's the case, then no one should be posting their work in this general you dumb faggots.

>>6447341
This >>6445280 is the closest aesthetically but still shouldn't be posted here anyways because it's just a regular comic and not manga in format or style.
Just because the thread is full of illiterate tards trying to shill their own off-topic shit doesn't make it acceptable.
That's probably why nobody who can actually draw manga posts here anymore, so they don't get lumped in with you idiots.
>pyw
No.

>>6447354
>The only aesthetically authentic comic shouldn't be posted in my general because.... just because ok!!!

You're so retarded, why bother having this general in the first place if no one is going to participate and only fling shit at each other? This is why gatekeeping like this is stupid, none of you have a clear definition of what is allowed or not, and your standards are retarded in the first place.

As long as it's anime-styled or inspired, at least there will be people encouraged to post.

>>6447354
h-here...

>>6447363
It sounds like you like the reddit hugbox more. Go back and stay there if you like it so much.

>>6447401
It's just a page from a b/w graphic novel now.
Flipping it won't do any good if it's already formatted to be R>L.
Real crit - Try pushing the values a little more to get clearer distinction between objects

>>6447402
>>6447409
This thread is beyond retarded.

>>6447420
Webtoons aren't manga
Black/white comics aren't manga

>>6447426
Post your work. Unless you're so /beg/ that it's not considered manga according to your own standards.

>>6447430
>so /beg/ that it's not considered manga according to your own standards.
That's everyone who's posted their work in this thread. They just aren't literate and/or only think of this as a place to shill.
And whatever quality you think my work is or isn't doesn't make >>6447426 untrue.

Do I draw like a Japanese?

>>6447443
You can if you actually tried.

>>6447439
So then what's your argument for this general to even exist? Without those /beg/s posting their work, the only shit you'll get is the usual "where can I download screentones" garbage.

You don't even have a definition for manga. Nips don't give a shit because manga is just cartoons to them and they call American comics manga. Only you and your autistic kind give a shit about what is manga or not. It's so retarded I can only laugh.

>>6447409
Yeah i guess it does look like a b/w graphic novel if you see the whole page from far away, but don't worry. It wouldn't look like a complete b/w once you print it on a paper XD

Still tho you got a point, i need to reduce the tone rate lol.

>>6447426
What is manga?

>>6447426
Even nips call "webtoons" as manga, only scroll-styled.
スクロール型web漫画
>Translation: scroll-styled web manga

>>6447450
>You don't even have a definition for manga
1) Comics that are formatted to be read in the Japanese manga reading style.
2)Comics drawn by a Japanese person for the Japanese market.

>>6447455
See above.

It's literally that simple. Everyone else is just looking for excuses to post off-topic or shill their own webtoon.

>>6447460
New rule for /mmg/, no gaijins allowed.

>>6447466
Damn, it's over...

>>6447459
What you posted is still more manga than webcomics/webtoons.
Webcomics/webtoons often have tiny panels floating in huge white space. or look like western comics on infinite scroll.
Webmanga is literally manga for smartphones.
It's really not that hard to understand

>>6447471
>>6447476

>>6447476
It's really not that hard to understand what manga is*

Comic is Comic !!! CHUD

>>6447480
>large white gaps between panels
Neither of those are manga

>>6447476
Shut up gaijin

>>6447485
Eat a dick you nigger ass crab

>>6447486
You will never be Japanese :^)

>>6447460
So if it's formatting then all manhwa are manga? If a Japanese person makes a webcomic it's a manga then? Manga don't follow a specific format other than reading right to left.

>>6447487
I am though.

>>6447488
>So if it's formatting then all manhwa are manga?
No. Manhua and manhwa have different style and narrative elements that are unique to those specific mediums as well.
>If a Japanese person makes a webcomic it's a manga then?
It is webmanga.

Anything with tone based shading is manga to me, sneed it or keep it

>>6447489
Why are trannies are always so delusional?

>>6447494
>Anything with tone based shading is manga to me
>western graphic novels from the 80s are manga
retard

>>6447500
Webmanga is manga and you posting that won't make me any less Japanese

>>6447494
>Westoid shit
Scott Pilgrim is tumblr tier shit. Screentones are the laziest adaptations from manga.

>>6447494
Plenty of non-manga things have tone-based shading but it's retarded to split hairs about it anyway and if there's one thing I hope comes out of this it's that the thread sheds the useless baggage of being a "manga" general. It only invites retarded shit like this.

>>6447503
>>6447513
>>6447514
-ACK !!!

>>6447510
Post birth certificate with your info blacked out next to your eyes, you larping gaijin nigger.

>>6447520
4koma is manga

>>6447523
No. Learn to stop appropriating cultures that aren't even yours and trying to change them to fit your own highly disinformed headcanon.

admit it, scott pilgrim sells CHUD

>>6447514
Looks like a manga to me

>>6447532
>trolling outside of /b/

>>6447528
I'm east Asian, and here is proof. Your opinion is invalid.

i'm brown

Is webtoons the standard for making comics now?

>>6447426
>Webtoons aren't manga
>>6447460
>Comics drawn by a Japanese person for the Japanese market.
>>6447492
>webmanga.

>You're unironically retarded.

Nips create webtoons and call it "web scrolling manga" or "infinite scroll manga" hell even "digital manga."

>https://comico.jp/

This website is literally webtoons.com for nips, check it out your filthy gaijin, it isn't "webmanga" just because it's made by Japs when everything else is the same as a webtoon, including the formatting, inclusion of colors, etc.

You should know by now that they're all comics.

Reminder that "manga" just means comics in Japanese.

>>6447547
Yes, because it's more accessible and the creators have more control over their content.

>>6447169
There are a variety of reasons; age, mental difficulties such as autism, lack of critical information/knowledge or lack of exposure to the genre.
You can assume the guy maybe only had exposure to art and comics through tv anime and most mainstream cartoons and by the things he writes about, he must be either very young or mentally challenged.
I didn't bother to further try to give him feedback or criticize because it would be useless at this stage and for what he does.
Some people you just have to let em do.
>especially given that at that skill level you'll never be published.
Yeah, Anon, but you gotta put yourself in others shoes, not every single one who makes comics has the ultimate goal to be published.

I wouldn't call it a waste of effort either.
If you draw and create, you never waste any effort.
The moment you start adapting a mentality of "wasting time", you only cripple your ability to create.

Good stuff is good

>>6447550
>This website is literally webtoons.com for nips

Japs create webtoons for Line professionally, here's their website

>https://manga.line.me/

They call it "Line Manga" instead of "Line Webtoons"

>>6447559
>Japs create webtoons for Line professionally

Picrel is a Japanese mangaka that create Japanese webtoons, she works for Line webtoons, and she calls it "digital manga."

>>6447550
nta but what do you gain from being an annoying pedant? It wont make western comics as good as japanese comics even if you attempt to change the definitions.

Aw man stop obsessed with nips this and that we know

>>6447569
Ignore this cunt, he's just mad he's losing his argument about what's manga or not LMAO.

>6447576
That was my first post in the thread. You really are obnoxious

>>6447578
>Can't even tell anons apart
How newfag are you? You mad that there's more than 1 anon that's blasting your shit argument?

Also in the header of OP:
>"The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work."
>manga-style illustration and related comic work.
>and related comic work.

NEWFAGS FUCK OFF

>>6447569
>It wont make western comics as good as japanese comics even if you attempt to change the definitions.

I'm not saying that, I like Japanese comics way more than western comics lmao, I'm just saying that they're the same thing, specially when a Jap create a webtoon.

>>6447576
>losing his argument

I'm not the other anon you're replying to, this is literally the first time I entered this thread, and I'm already disapointed in you guys.

It's all comics, Manga is just Japanese comics, manga, capeshit, and webtoons are all the same shit, and a thread dedicated to this topic should know better.

>>6447558
Based and strip pilled
These had to be resized to be tiny sometimes, so I always marvel at their value organisation and readability, even the gag stuff is really clever. Probably the best thing to study for B&W comics.

Is this manga?

>>6447589
I just want people to feel comfortable enough to post their work. So annoying to see the same old questions of "what brushes" and "what screentones" and "how do I learn Japanese" bullshit. Without other anons posting their work, those are the only posts we're going to see in this general. That's why we shouldn't gatekeep to these autistic standards of what a westoid considers manga, it would mean no one would post their work unless they are nationally Japanese and professional, which is far fetched that they would even lurk this cursed tranny-dilating advice forum.

>>6447617
Honestly arbitrary notions of what is and isn't manga is pretty dumb. I'm sure if you submitted your work to publishers they'd expect traditionalist execution but then again if it sells or people like it I can't see the problem.

As long as your work adapts to aspects of Japanese culture I would consider it Manga.

>>6447620
I'd post my work but given how judgemental /ic/ is I'm not gonna take that chance. I'm self critical and can improve on my own and have done, maybe I could improve faster with other people's critique but that's not a risk I'm willing to take.

>>6447617
>>6447633

so it's manga

>>6447634
I was going to post my work too and kept up with /mmg/ as a sort of encouragement to keep going on my project. It was also fun seeing what interesting ideas are floating about. But the autists here would insist it's not manga because it would be scrolling-style and colored, and I'd rather not draw attention from these schizos.

Gonna post more Japanese manga, by Japanese artists published in Japanese magazines because Japanese aesthetic is manga

>>6447646
NTA but the whole /asg/-tier authenticity meltdown feels like a trolling attempt. We go entire threads without it pretty often even if downright western-style comics are posted, so it's hard to believe it's a core user thing. I think the "manga" in the title leaves it open to that kind of derailing, since people show up to sperg out about muh superior western art just as often.
It just reminds me of how much of a cesspool this board is. I like this general and checking it when taking breaks, but the environment and autism certainly put a damper on it.

Literally manga

>>6447169
Making manga IS practice for your fundamentals, otherwise they wouldn't be fundamental. You've got grindbrain, anon.

>>6447269
Read the post you dunce.

>>6447279
There were always retards who couldn't read. Remember how many posts there were asking for clarification on rules in the tezuka contest that were written in plain english on the FAQ?

>>6447646
>I'd rather not draw attention from these schizos.
They're drive-by trolls, anon. Thankfully this place has been relatively free of schizo shit, the worst we get is this stuff where a drive-by troll drops easy bait "you will never be japanese", "this shit isn't manga" etc for guaranteed replies and occasionally it turns into a shitfest because newfags are universally terrible at ignoring bait.

>>6447711
>Making manga IS practice for your fundamentals, otherwise they wouldn't be fundamental

Not really. Drawing Manga from scratch without grinding your standard anatomy, linework and perspective is gonna result in shody work. You might improve your composition and paneling but that's about it, your general progression will be slower.

Manga is something you should do once you have a better foundation of the basics. That's why I think personally, but ultimately you'll improve doing anything drawing related just not as fast. Grinding works whether people admit it or not provided you at least apply what you've learned to imagination as well.

>>6436592
To be fair, hxh is infamous for looking like picrel.

>>6447735
>Drawing Manga from scratch without grinding your standard anatomy, linework and perspective is gonna result in shody work.
Anon, drawing manga practices all of those things. I don't see how drawing manga is any different from studying. It's the exact same thing only you're also practicing the others skills you need for manga. I know this because I didn't grind, I just drew manga and I obviously improved over time anyway. I can't say whether I wouldn't have improved faster if I had spent every hour drawing manga studying instead, but I can say that I wouldn't have drawn anywhere near as much if I though I had to study instead of just making the stuff I wanted to make.

>>6447738
No, it's famous for looking like this. It's only famous for THAT if you spend too much time reading shitposts on /a/.

>>6447749
>I can't say whether I wouldn't have improved faster if I had spent every hour drawing manga studying instead, but I can say that I wouldn't have drawn anywhere near as much if I though I had to study instead of just making the stuff I wanted to make.

I mean I get what you mean if you consider panelling and composition as fundamentals (which they are) then yeah Manga will help you improve but to improve fast and quick means doing things you don't want to.

I'm not saying it's fun and ultimatly it does kill your enjoyment I guess it depends if you want to make that sort of sacrifice for the long term. Only reason I say this is because it's significantally helped me in creating my own work since I put the time it to grind but I will also admit my paneling skills aren't as good as I like so I guess there will always be something you won't improve on. Everyone's journey is different.

>>6447767
You seem to be under the impression that you can't improve your fundies unless you "study". That's pure grindbrain mindset, anon. Making manga IS study. I draw a page, I see my linework is shit, I look at linework I like by better artists, I try and apply that to my next page, next page looks a little better. I draw a character, realize the face looks like shit, pull up a ref for the next page, draw the face better. Incrementally you improve, whether you're making your manga or "studying". It's the same thing. The only difference is that you're actually using these "study" images for something instead of just sitting in a scrapbook.

>not sure whether to be happy about the activity in this thread
>or be sad about how much sperging artists are a part of

Manga is defined by whether or not you have asian genes.

>>6447778
>You seem to be under the impression that you can't improve your fundies unless you "study

You can improve just not as fast, and it depends what you mean by study.

As for whether or not drawing Manga is study that also depends. Are you relying on reference or studying/analyizing manga panelling whilst drawing? That would be study as you're actively trying to improve your Manga whilst working.

My point is that generally drawing is the same at the idea of 'just draw'. Don't get me wrong I don't think mindlessly grinding works either if you don't apply what you do to your own personal work like Manga for example but implying implying that drawing Manga and that alone will make you improve at the level you want isn't true. At least if that's what you mean, hard to say we ultimately might be having two different conversations here.

hey im a tourist illustrator i dont post in this thread
no one here makes manga, manga is only made in japan. quit infighting about whos comic is more le manga style or none of you will ever make it. just enjoy making comics with other people who enjoy making comics. have a nice day

>>6447807
>none of you will ever make it
I don't care. I fucking HATE drawing. I only like talking about drawing.

>>6447807
>manga is only made in Japan

Except that is untrue. If someone makes a Manga is a foreign country and sends it in and it's published in a manga competition then does that not make it Manga? Or does it magically not make it Manga before it was submitted? Your argument makes no sense.

>>6447820
>I don't care. I fucking HATE drawing. I only like talking about drawing.

Lmao.

>>6447792
True, we might be talking past each other a bit.
To clarify, what I think you're saying is that people who are just starting out and don't have any skill yet shouldn't bother making their manga and instead study.
What I'm trying to say is that making their manga serves the exact same purpose of the "study" you're referring to: actively trying to improve their skills, using reference to figure out why their work looks bad and so on. Because you have to apply all of these skills in manga and more, which means drawing manga forces you to practice them. In some ways drawing comics forces you to learn bits of anatomy and techniques that you wouldn't have if you were just generally grinding anatomy, like odd angles of the elbow or whatever. Of course, this only works if you're actively challenging yourself and trying to improve your drawing skills as you go, but I think most beginners probably are.

But anyway, this is really difficult to discuss definitively because I think you kind of need to see both approaches put into practice. I only know that I drew manga exclusively and never studied because had I absolutely 0 motivation to draw if it was just to study, I needed to be making my own thing to want to draw at all. Maybe somebody who can stomach grinding studies will improve faster by studying instead of working on their manga, I don't know because I have no data on that, I only know know what worked for me.

>>6447820
C'mon dude, those posts were obviously bait. Don't feed trolls.

>>6447834
>C'mon dude, those posts were obviously bait. Don't feed trolls.
meant for >>6447826

>>6447834
Fair enough, we both have very different experiences with art and our philosophies and beliefs regarding art will always differ. I'm glad we could at least understand each other a little. My point of view was from someone markedly unsatisfied with my art who hadn't drawn Manga because there was more I could improve on first but ultimately if Manga get's you into drawing who am I to denounce what makes you draw? If it works it works I suppose.

I bet all the manga is Japanese only also think pepperoni is Italian

>Come up with idea
Cool, cool
>Draft the pages
Aww yeah
>Start sketching
Wow, I'm a goddamn genius
>OK now refine the lineart
Ugh
>Now do tone
UGHHHHHHH
>Now do typesetting, backgrounds, effects

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS ISN'T DRAWING, THIS IS BUSYWORK

Does anyone have interest in making a broad comic general to separate anons who want to actually make it in Japan from anons who happen to be inspired by manga but don't strive to actually emulate manga and want to do something else. That way I think it would reduce fighting and arguing over what belongs.

>>6448118
>do we want to dedicate an entire general for the 1 or 2 anons that want to publish in japan?

>>6448118
even if you made a manga/comic split there would still be infighting cause someones style don't look japanese enough for some turbo autist

>>6448118
I don't think we have enough people to support the former as a separate thread, and most of the ones on that group probably wouldn't mind sharing thread space with the latter, since that's what they've done so far.
The only people who raise a fuss and split hairs about those things are inveterate shit-stirrers. We hardly even need to specify the thread won't respond well to Tumblr-looking things as >>6445351 suggested, that's determined by the demographic that's already here and it obviously doesn't lean that direction. It's like how /alt/ doesn't need to specify anything beyond "cartooning" for the thread to be full of full-on anime stuff.

If you're a beg then do NOT take ANY advice from westerners (loomis, ETC). You will end up drawing like one. If you've already taken and have been using advice from westerners then it's too late for you and you will never achieve authentic manga style.

Though to be fair you can only get slightly close to (not achieve) authentic manga style if you are not Japanese.

>>6448134
That's true but by manga I'm talking about people who want to make a comic published in Japan. I'm not talking about the style but rather the differences in the goals of comic making. I'm sure there's a lot of anons who don't want to make it or be recognized in Japan or appeal to a Japanese demographic and I see comic anons outside of /mmg/ too who might be interested in posting in a general for all styles. There's a difference in people who want to apply for Japanese manga contests in contrast to people who aren't interested in the eastern market.
>>6448139
Then why even specify it to be a manga general instead of a comic general?. Of course I understand /mmg/ is /mmg/ for a reason and not /cg/ because it itself has a long history and I'm a newfag for a year or two so it's not like I want to make /mmg/ change as someone who doesn't post regularly or really understand the general, I was asking a rhetorical question but I have seen people with interest in making a more encompassing graphic novel general before. I'm seriously interested in discussing this and it's already postbump so why not.

This whole thing actually reminds me of this dude on YouTube who always calls his comics bande dessinée specifically.
I think I've posted about this before, but if anyone has trouble with panel and page compositions, it's useful deciding on dimensions for random frames and then drawing inside those rectangles, like he shows here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWRErHMk-54
>>6448167
As far as I understand it's historical baggage. I remember there being a lot more focus on participating in manga contests before, and people still do, but even if you changed the name I doubt anything about the content of the threads would change alongside it.
I don't like the name because it often leaves it open to shit-flinging like what happened in this thread, but I agree that it wouldn't be good to impose the change on everyone all of a sudden. But I'm not a fan of calling it a graphic novel general, either. Comics are comics and piling on more marketing jargon only brings back the original problem.

>>6448182
That's why I'm asking if anyone would be interested in making a separate comic general from /mmg/, so /mmg/ can stay as it is and other people who aren't interested in participating in manga contests and are very loose about their manga inspirations and even people with no manga can post there too. I was making a rhetorical question on the name of the general as I understand it's called manga general for a reason, not comic general hence why making an entirely separate one could have potential and this would separate those who actually work to be published in Japan from those who have no interest.

>>6448198
*with little to no manga influence can post there too.
Sorry, didn't feel like deleting to correct it and it's already past bump limit anyway so an extra post doesn't matter.

>>6448182
>>6448198
Different anon here, I've been using this general since its inception and I'm not against changing the name of this general to something like "Comic-making general". I think you're probably right about there being people who see "manga" in the title and think "oh I guess I can't post my comic there" and ignore it, and I've always considered this place to be something more like a comics general anyway. Gotta put "/mmg/" somewhere in the OP though so people from here can easily find it. I'd like to avoid giving people easy shitposting material with calling it a manga general, since people always take the bait and you wind up with a third of the general just being an argument over what counts as manga or whatever. 'course opening up to all comics opens it up to crying about the state of webtoons or whatever, but I guess that's fine.

>>6448198
>>6448209
It's probably the kind of thing that's better off getting decided by a poll, since by seeing the votes you'd see if there's enough people to sustain the thread.
In my opinion it would simply be better for discussion, since it'd at least make the thread less vulnerable to the east vs west trolling that keeps plaguing it and people wouldn't need to double-check before posting work as they often do now.
There's no special metaphysical gulf between manga and nasty gaijin comics, but if there were I can't see the kind of weeb who insists on only authentic 大和魂 funnybooks accepting what gets posted here.

>>6448281
>>6448278
I personally consider manga as comics that are published in Japan, doesn't have to be by a Japanese, it just has to be published by a Japanese company. The definition of manga can be so loose, you have Taiyo Matsumoto who draws in Franco-Belgian style yet he is a considered by some a mangaka and on the other hand you have Korean artists like Boichi who are still considered mangaka. They are both mangaka despite whatever arguments one can make on art style or nationality and do not conform to the conventional idea of a mangaka but are still considered mangaka because they make manga published by a Japanese company for Japanese demographic. I think a separate general would be fine because a majority of the resources cited around in these threads seem to lean towards a Japanese market and publishing. I agree about the difference between manga and other comics not being as big as people think it is but the demographic and intention or goals (being published by Japanese company) between the two can be a clear difference. Regarding the name change as a newfag I don't want to impose on a general that I shouldn't have business doing so and want to respect the history of the general. A poll for another general would be a sound idea but the poll may not reach other anons who could be interested in posting in a general comic thread that don't visit /mmg/ so most of the people who would respond would most likely be people who visit /mmg/ already therefore not an accurate poll on board-wide interest outside of /mmg/. And because of my newfaggotry I don't think I could be a reliable OP for a new general as I am not very educated on technicalities and resources to make a reliable OP but I do like to draw comics so that's why I was curious to see if there's mutual interest and discuss it. Maybe even make a new thread on this board to discuss it outside of here.

>>6446116
I'm one of the better artists in here judging by what has been posted over the past few years, and in my opinion those drawings have got some soul. They are technically not good, but the dude is communicating his visual ideas pretty clearly, and I could see it being developed into a legit style.

>>6448378
how many times does a person need to iterate that a separate general would be redundant and useless because too many anons here are making manga casually and don't have the intent to be published in japan?

there is maybe one or two anons who are trying to make it in japan, and neither of them have been posting their work in the general as of a year ago, so you'd have a dead thread that's ripe for trolling.

/mmg/ should just allow anyone to post their japanese-influenced comic whether they are shooting to go pro or not, because at least there'd be more art contributions than trolling. manga just means cartoons in japanese in the end. only westerners would consider manga to be a separate genre of its own.

When did these threads go to shit? Did the crabs from /hyw/ on /co/ finally make their way here, or what?

I moved from /hyw/ because they told me my stuff doesn't belong in a cartoon style but manga instead :(

>>6447554
>>6447260

currently over 40 pages deep, and this is my latest one. just for you guys to see the evolution

believe it or not I am currently enrolled in artschool with comic classes, and feedback for my stuff has mostly been bad kind of shading.

what i have been told is that comics are not about perfect technique in perspective, anatomy etc.

its about producing "servicable" pictures and making the flow of reading the speech bubbles as seemless and pleasent as possible more than anything else.

>>6448152
this
study what the japanese study

>>6448152
This is a published manga. Manga isn't a style

>>6448618

New thread >>6449833
New thread >>6449833
New thread >>6449833

>>6448519
Just a few months ago there was a guy who was a finalist in a contest not too long ago. I know what manga means in Japanese, but the context is relevant depending on what language you are speaking and this is an English-speaking website so the context matters. In Japanese you can say "Spiderman is my favorite manga" and it makes sense because manga is a catchall for all comics in Japanese but if you said the same thing in English without translating manga to comics, people will naturally assume you're saying Japanese comics, not just comics. If this site was Japanese then this would not be the Japanese comic general but the comic general and there would be no clear bias in Japanese comics unless you say "Japanese manga general". Obviously when everyone here says manga they are implying Japanese comics or making comics based off of Japanese inspirations or artists anons look up to. I don't care that much about genre or what kind of comic is posted but I'm sure there's other people who prefer a stronger focus on Japanese art or being Japanese-inspired and care about a distinction and wouldn't like to see a general being populated by people who actively aspire to draw American cartoons. I think there's a reason why most of the OP images are always Japanese comics and rarely if not never American comics, and there is a much stronger bias towards studying Japanese comics in these threads because clearly when you say manga you implicate Japanese comics because in English Manga = Japanese comics. You're right that it might be redundant though, as much as I would like to make a general with no bias for any demographic for people who have zero interest in manga and anime to post their comics to share, each time I've seen a graphic novel or comic general attempt on /ic/ and it seems to fail to continue each time. I have seen anons outside of /mmg/ post on /ic/ comics that seem to have no Japanese influence.