/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6421863
Yo, that's a pony

>>6421863
pixel art. AI can't do it well, after 6-8 months, maybe something fundamentally difficult for diffusion AI.

We should all start drawing exclusively on MS paint

It has charm and gets nostalgia points

>>6421863
prob cartoon stuff though I enjoy stuff that kinda has a stick figure look
>and if AIfags train it on that it shows more as a testament on how useless they are not even wanting to the simplest shit
>same thing for them training on literal children drawings since they could of just posted their work if it's that beg but oh well

>>6421911
I unironically need the A.I. features of photoshop

>>6421863
>Airbrushed overrendered soft shadows style is dead
Nothing of value is lost

>>6421899
good thing I make indie pixel art games on the side, phew
>>6421931
Agreed to be honest

>>6421863
One thing about western cartooning is that there's a diversity of art styles, I love Bruce Timm, Shane Glines, John K. and that whole tradition that goes back to the early days of American animation & comics.
Also looking through Kim Jung Gi's sketchbooks, he uses a diversity of styles and in interviews he said he avoided the pressure to draw in an anime style.
In the future developing individualistic styles will be more important.

>>6421911
>We should all start drawing
Now that's the best fucking post i've read all day

>>6421940
>In the future developing individualistic styles will be more important.
The tension between needing an individuated style while also needing it to be an appealing one will always be an interesting tension point to me

>>6421899
It's not too far behind

>>6421943
You're kidding right? yes there are pixely aspects, and it looks low res. but that not what makes good pixel art.

>>6421931
pretty much. AI weebshit directly competes with the SAI speedpaint style and AI wins only because it doesn't take 19 of drawing over weeks of real time to finish one illustration

>>6421863
I can tell pretty quickly, since so many AI anime pinups use the similar lighting, or have strangely distinct color use. Still, have a more unique and personal style is definitely a good thing.
Perhaps this will help people shift from a results oriented mindset when it comes to doing art.

>>6421943
I think pixel art will need a different program, not model but entirely new program because AI art is vector based.

>>6422134
prompt?

>>6421943
looks like programmer pixel art

>>6421863
stop posting this awful sōy

>>6421863
Crappy doodles that look like they were made by a child because AI fags are too focused on proving their algorithm can produce "high quality trending on artstation"

>>6421943
That isn't even pixel art.

>>6421863
/ic/ on suicide watch KEK

>>6421863
>AI art killed the anime style.
no, the anime style was so easy to replicate that an AI, in it's early stages, can replicate what you people can make almost identically
lets also not forget the fact that you people saturated the market with your low effort anime posting which is simply fed to an AI to improve it even more
this is why people keep telling you to stop drawing anime, it's one of the lowest and cringiest levels of artforms in existence
it's like what fanfiction is to writers or mobile games is to competitive games

>>6425156
>cringiest
Subjective and internet lobotomy-pilled

>>6425156
The ease of anime is a red herring. It’s not that it was easy to replicate, it’s that it is in such high volume, especially with how autistically tagged it was on danbooru, makes it perfect for the ai to train on. Same goes to your typical concept art slop you’ll find in abundance on art station. It’s well tagged and in huge amounts.

The more unique the art style, naturally the less of it there is to train ai on. Not saying it won’t be able to match a close approximation on a small amount of training data, but it won’t be achieving near perfect results like anime because it won’t have all that autistically tagged data in abundance. You can see this in a lot of the trained ai on smaller artists - it will look similar but it’s not near functionally useable like concept art style or anime style bots are.

>>6421940
>In the future developing individualistic styles will be more important
Until you produce enough for somebody to make a model with your work.

>>6425181
That would require a metric asston of labor on one artist’s part to achieve a library large enough to train an ai to the same degree of usability as the danbooru ai. Either that or a fuck ton of other artist copying your style and then mass producing enough of that style of art for it to be used as training data but at that point of popularity, you’d probably be well off enough not to be affected by it.

>>6421863
Cartooning.

>>6425160
>kawaii moeblob 14-year-old schoolgirl but ninja!!!
You really are not proving him wrong

>>6425181
Have you seen the Kim jung gi model? It's unusable.

>>6425171
There's also the fact that anime art generally uses figures which are relatively close to real human anatomy/proportions, and observant of real perspective, with enough leeway to make some fuckups not immediately jarring, so all taken together it is relatively easy to take a photo of a person and apply an anime style to it.

>>6425181
By that point, your art will be recognizable enough that you can establish yourself and make connections (both professional and with individual supporters) to create a strong "brand" that protects you from cheap imitations where it matters most

>>6421863
There's a lot of style diversity even within anime art. I guess people will have to experiment and move beyond "single cute girl looking at viewer"

>>6425192
Yep it's total shit despite the large amount of KJG art to train from.
Some lessons for artists:
>KJG's art is highly detailed.
>KJG worked traditionally.
>KJG was versatile—from highly technical drawing to anarchic cartooning. There's no singular 'KJG style,' making him hard to pin down.

>>6425274
He also understood perspective and could draw hands.

AI art got me into drawing because all my generations were either generic or grotesque
Anime fucking sucks

>>6425192
>>6425274
The KJG model itself is art.

People hated the model creator and called him "disrespectful", but its blatant crust and inability to even replicate 5% of his skill truly shows how great the man was.

The model creator did not use the man's death to elevate himself, but to draw attention to how an inimitable legend had passed.

>>6425304
This is why everyone calls you cultists.

>>6425310
There's no reason for anyone to use the model.
The example outputs are so appallingly bad that it really lays bare how good KJG was, and I remember people who never heard of him only finding out about the man via the model's release.

>>6421941
I not here to draw though

>>6425160
cmon, is this really the image you are giving me to prove that AI cannot easily replicate this simplistic style? there is a plethora of actually good anime artwork created with great skill and you give me this random floating anime girl in one of the most generic, copy-pasted posted poses imaginable, with the most unappealing and incongruent background you can choose?

also, while we are at it, why do most of these anime images not have any story attached to them?
it's just some floating anime school girl with a sword, and don't tell me "that's the story!!!" because it's not
that's acting like a toilet seat in a modern art museum has implicit meaning, it does not
your floating anime girl is not a story
>pic related
THAT is a story
pic related, despite being anime, is actually interesting because it's not just muh floating animu grill with unnecessary details that don't mean anything
the image is saying something and implying something that makes sense, i don't have to force meaning out of the image

anyway, i do find it amusing that you have "look at an image before you can like it" because it proves that all along you've been filling up your feed with moe-blob garbage with no meaning
i don't have to do that, if i see a floating anime girl, i immediately scroll past, i've seen thousands of them before and i'm quite tired of them honestly
it's going to take years before the ai is going to be able to replicate pic related
not because it can't replicate the style but because it can't replicate a story

>>6425680
looks bad desu

>>6425684
i was more interested in the story than in the technical skill

>>6421863
There isn't a new art style, as far as I can see. Too many people are removing their art from platforms. Until there's laws and legal action, don't expect anything interesting.

>>6425156
>fed to an AI "to improve it more"
Like adding multiple limbs and bad fingers? Nobody draws anime better than a living, breathing jap, AI fag.

>>6421863
>AI art killed the anime style
Not really. It's still pretty easy to see how AI shit is at rendering even generic anime.
>asymmetrical pupils that look like they're melting out of the eye sockets
>clothing cuffs and frills looking like blurry human organs
>noses and mouths get fucked up in anything that isn't a generic smile or stoic frown
>the only anime art style it can come close to is the mass produced "chinese gacha game" style
>can't do multicharacter interactions
>professional japanese artists, japanese institutions that rely on independent art for exposure/revenue, and japanese audiences aren't into it and would prefer to be exposed to manual art

>>6425680
The image you replied to looks like a card game illustration. I don't think it's meant to have "story" so much as it's supposed to be an attractive and dynamic image of the character.

>>6425697
You used a really bad example. Only he draws like that. The AI losers oversaturated the pixiv bishoujo art style and now I can't stand to look at it. I associate it with retards on /g/ and /h/. It was only good when it came from japs, anyway.

>>6421863
It didn't kill it. The cancer of AI shit is the rampant spam and plagiarism on platforms. The anime styles are still fine because the most popular anime style art involves interactions between characters or pictures showing stories in identifiable environments, none of which AI image generators can do.

>>6421863
Oh-a oh Oh-a oh
AI kill the anime artist
Ai kill the anime artist

>>6425704
SEA hands typed this post

>>6421989
>but that not what makes good pixel art.
Tell that to indie devs

>>6425699
Not him, but I'd argue it implies a story much better than the floating anime girl. She's pointing a gun at something out of the frame. Who or what could that be? What is the guy in the background shouting at her? There are empty bullet shells on the ground an someone was wounded, so the fight has already started... etc. The dynamic angle is just the spice on top.
Sure, you could come up with something like this for the other picture as well, but the implications are much weaker. It's just a girl in a dynamic pose, there is no clear indication why she would randomly swing her sword around like that, why she is wearing those clothes... I'm not saying it's a "lesser" picture, but it's much lighter on storytelling for sure.

>>6422052
I never asked; are you the guy/is that from the guy who drew maids?

>>6421863
I just don't browse art anymore. Follow real artists and let these prompt writers churn out their shit in obscurity.

>>6425708
Nigger hand type this

Something very tooned and stylized but there are so many styles like this that often times only one or two artists draw a specific one regularly, and aren’t easy to find because they won’t have the clout that comes with popular art styles.

>>6425687
that's not how AI works

>>6425699
it has more of a story than the floating anime grill
i don't have to force a story out of it, it is quite clear what is happening and becomes even clearer the more you look around as >>6426039
anon did

>>6421863
I actually feel bad for new series. Especially when it's trending on Pixiv.
I remember during the day Pokemon S/V release, my twitter feed and Pixiv are flooded with AI for a week. People usually shit on artist for clout chasing but AI Artists are on whole different level, and that's a complete understatement.
They vomit everything even though they doesn't know about the series as long it can net them view and likes.

>>6426039
>>6426154
>say "the image you replied to"
>illiterate /ic/ niggers think I meant the military pic and not the floating anime girl in the post he replied to

None of you guys get to have your opinion on AI or copyright taken seriously. You all have the reading comprehension of a retarded child.

>>6426192
>as long it can net them view and likes
i thought every artist did this
>>6426212
it's over
AI pajeets will take your job
cope

>>6426212

>>6426212
anon, if you became confused by that reply then may i suggest you take your own advice and cease responding immediately
we shouldn't need to clarify our responses just because you don't understand context

>>6425680
This is not AI,
There are backstory, it's from game
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/59095132
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/103181419

>>6426069
We are actually have black anons here, don't be racist

>>6421863
Considering barely 20 people look at my shit and I have an entire sketchbook no one has seen but me. idc really

>>6421863
subtle hidden sharty gemerald

>>6421863
Are you implying that AI can only do anime style?
If you were bothered by AI doing anime very well, then I have some unfortunate news for you... You will eventually be autistically checking everything.

>>6426192
>They vomit everything even though they doesn't know about the series as long it can net them view and likes.
99% of "REAL artist" do this

>>6426253
i was making a point about AI not being able to do pic related because it's an actual story unlike the typical floating anime girl

>>6426300
how much money does it cost to train and run a model for that
like that are you telling dumbasses waste money train a machine to draw stick figures and copy your nieces fridge art

>>6426447
it costs $0 and about an hour to train

>>6427821
IC all the resources in the world and AI fags want spend it doing retarded shit any baby with a crayon could've of also done
>really learning from the best are we now

>>6422136
That looks like some heavy inpainting so the prompt doesn't matter. I don't know why this person put that much work into something that looks like shit

>>6426447
We have an entire model trained on the anti-ai protest to make our own images.

>>6427839
when's the warcrime model coming out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TwioIc6a_8

>>6427839
What's the over-under on someone opening an art exhibition of AI generated Anti-AI images?

>>6427858
Roughly the same as the ole in-and-out

>>6427847
It is now, /k/omrade

>>6427865
might as well start doing it on regular crimes and protests as well then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hB4tKUDrQE

>>6427876
TO THE STREETS

>>6427891
WE WILL DANCE

>>6427901
>>6427891
>>6427865
You sure as fuck aren't my /k/omrade. Doubt you even own a gun

>>6427907
yes but I do want to fuck deer girls

>>6427912
through dick, unity

>>6422134
Two words: So. Fucking. Awesome

>>6427965
more like one word: Simping
>should've did Elon and twitter in dumpster fire
how much dickriding are you AI faggots doing for other Tech companies and clapping for every retarded decision they do

So what's going on in the Japanese/Korean art community? It seems like I haven't heard a single notable artist from Asia say anything about AI aside from that Naoki Saito video.

I get not wanting to look like a cringe virtue signaler, but come on, it's clearly a big deal.

>>6427858
7. The over/under is 7.

>>6427901
how are your legs comrade you are human, are you

>>6428819
they seethed hard when novelai dropped.
then kind of forgot about it.

>>6427839
Ai and by extension aifags exist in a state of eternal decay only able to regurgitate while simultaneously degrading anything they incorporate incapable of any innovation or creativity outputting vapid shards and funhouse reflections of stolen art/identity Its actually interesting seeing these cults of entropy form lmao imo they should just be put down

>ctrl+f
>"soul"
>0 results
I don't know when but artists move from "AI art has no soul" to "AI art steals human drawings", I believe it's after they failed the blind test

>>6432159
You can't deny the act of generating AI art is utterly soulless. The fact that it's trained on a dataset of many images, some of them soulful, means that once in a blue moon you might get something that actually looks nice. But that's exclusively because of the training data. Every part of the AI generation that comes after the initial dataset, is utterly soulless.