/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

twitter?
tumblr?
deviantart?
newgrounds?
/ic/?

>>6422663
artstation died when epic bought it

>>6422663
>Goodbye, I hardly knew you.
Pretty sure even less people know this dude

>>6422666
>deviant art
Kek

>>6422663
good less animeshit clogging up my soulless concept art feed

>>6422692
You expect me to feel sorry for people stupid enough to spend money on references?

>>6422696
Anime?

>>6422701
imagine the smell

>>6422701
Christ. Good riddance

She works for bluepoint

>>6422663
I made my own website and show there my shit the way I want and not on those shit fartstation layouts
we must return to web 1.0 my bros
embrace personal webpages, reject social media

>>6422886
Why give platforms 30% of your income when you could host everything yourself for cheap and put a nice personal touch on it.

>>6422701
sexoooo

>>6422886
great now hope somebody will bother clicking your link i guess and not be averted by the horrible UI

>>6422886
What’s the point of a website when you need traffic to be of use in the first place? Only reason you make one for portfolio reasons to use to apply for studios and i doubt that’s what you are doing. Waste of money too if you aren’t making enough to cover the cost.

>>6422663
i think maybe we stop posting our new work online all together? or we lean into the machine and accelerate, idk what to do boys

>>6422886
>we must return to web 1.0 my bros
>embrace personal webpages, reject social media
based. still helps to use social media to direct to your site, but I welcome the soul of websites over shitty cookie cutter platforms.

You guys proved the AItards right about everything by lashing out irrationally lol. All you had to do was keep making art which you are supposedly so good at and your work would speak for itself, but instead you destroyed your own communities.

>>6423067
I've never used art station so what is this really

>>6423067
That doesn’t really mean much, when most aitards are like this.

>>6423080
the unlocked dude isn't even an aitard, he's a tourist or something and stumbled on cherub's logical gap

>>6422663
All the /ic/ discords suck and there's no good art website or community.
>b-but my discord
no, it sucks

>>6422944
>Why give platforms 30% of your income

Platforms take at least 50% anon, and the Asian ones take even more.

>>6423014
>What’s the point of a website when you need traffic to be of use in the first place?

>Truthpill

We're basically in 2023 and you guys still think that normies bother with personal websites, not even Millenials bother with them anymore, let alone Gen Z faggots that grew up with a smartphone inside their ass.

>>6423067
>but instead you destroyed your own communities.
AI is already destroying these sites, hence the protest.

>>6423083
So what you’re saying, the unlock guy doesn’t even attempt to draw, while the other guy actually draws and hopefully improve in the mean time?

>>6422663
>Artstation is dead now, what other professional site is left to post your artwork?
NEWGROUNDS

>>6423128
The unlock guy is just a random normie
The other person is perma/beg/

>>6423100
>tfw you never experienced the fabled good old days of conceptart.org

>artstation is dead.
good

>>6422944
exactly
>>6423005
>>6423014
i don't care about people scrolling trough my feed on instagram and giving me likes, I care about projects and commisions. People who find my website are there for a reason to begin with, usually because someone recomended me. Sure the traffic is much much less than social media, but is more meaningful to me. I spend something like 100 usd at year for the host and domain so, no problem with that.
Im also a UI/UX designer so I dont think there is a problem with that, but you can use portfolio templates or other artist-focused web platforms to build your own portfolio without worrying about making a unusable mess
>>6423063
yes, I get the "convinience" of those platforms but they look so clutered with everyones art fighting for your attention
I tried to have an instagram but I really felt so out of place that ended up deleting it

>>6423148
Elfwood was another good site that's long gone.

>>6423120
that's the thing, im not getting work from zoomers or millenials, most of my clients are genxers who have studios. They usually contact me via text and then I give em my website, usually works well

I guess it depends on what is your target for a client, maybe I just got lucky idk

>>6423148
>Craig Mullins himself used to doll out free critiques and advice in forums like sijun
>The closest parallel to that now are art Youtubers that would rather clickbait and meme about the dodge tool
It's over....

>>6423196
What happens when you make more money from click bait shit than the profession you apart in. A future doctor became a minecraft youtuber because of this

I will say this, Tumblr right now is in fact the best place to post your art right now, they made it so you can post nudity again, even though it's not hardcore porn I think that will change, since the CEO (ceo of WordPress too) has gone off about making tumblr open source like mastodon. I have high hopes as automattic doesn't really care what you do with there software (like they allowed shadman to keep using there software, only reason why that gone was that he was in jail and didn't pay to maintain it anymore)

>>6423148
tfw you were there, from teamGT, Eatpoo, sijun, CA.org, cloud9(didn't take off)... but did not make the most of it... did get a lot out of the tutorial threads and reading others critiques though. I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them.

>>6423067
Female detected

>>6423067
the goal of the protests is to force Artstation and other art page and forum to step out and deal with the AI art plague, these platform are for artists and clients to connect and most AI people cannot do the jobs because they have 0 knowledge about art, furthermore artist will not stop until there is law to protect them from people using AI to steal and attacking them, it's not the war against AI, it's a war against assholes

>>6423248
ArtStation will die. They signed their death warrant. A new site will pop up soon enough. No AI allowed. Forums for sketchbooks, main page for galleries. a lounge for shitposting. Do it! somebody!

>>6423067
>just lie back and get raped, it'll be over soon
Woman moment.

>>6423132
I don't know why everyone's so reluctant to take the newgrounds pill. They're the only ones with a based take on AI.

>>6423265
According to the people I talked to who refuse to use it, it's because they don't get enough internet points there.

>>6423248
I despise social media styles like his but I cant help but feel for the guy. You spend years perfecting your product and some fags devalue it by churning out dollar store knock-offs

>>6422663
Pixiv is the only place I care for

>>6423274
That guy gets over $11k of Patreon bucks every month. He'll be ok

>>6423253
>waah somebody save me, I can't do anything.

>>6423248
>most AI people cannot do the jobs because they have 0 knowledge about art
Then they won't get hired, what the fuck are you worried about then?
>inb4 "oh the companies will hire them anyway because they're cheap"
Then it will bite them in the ass, you wanna work for a company that would be that stingy?

The sheer lack of coherency in your whining may work when you bitch to people who you're in a mutual-hazing group IRL but not here.

>>6423274
Explain how it's "devalued". People keep saying this shit as if it's a given but never is it ever qualified with an explanation or with numbers.

>>6422663
If you already are a pro-level artist and just want a place for your portfolio, I'm pretty sure the answer is some site that has some kind of authentication process that checks whether you're human or not. A quick search brought up "Directory of Illustration" but I'm sure there are others

>>6423295
>Explain how it's "devalued"
He draws the same shit ad nauseum. The more work out there that looks like his, the less people will be interested in it. Why does that even need explaining?

>>6423268
So they're begs hard filtered by the rating system.

>>6423303
To add to what you're saying - have you ever heard of the expression "selling out," where you sacrifice the personal expression and quality of your work, in favor of either mass production or ownership by another party? This is somebody else doing that for you, without you even wanting it.
And just so AIfags don't think they're special, I'm sure Sam, and any other artist, would be pissed if somebody declared themselves "the next Samdoesarts," and started pumping out copies, traces, and original works that are lazy cribs of the style, all while smugly shitting on the original artist and declaring themselves a possible improvement.

If you don't understand why any of that would be irritating, you probably don't make things.

>>6423303
Honestly, as much as I dislike AI art, I can't help but feel a bit of malicious glee at the fact that "I draw pretty woman face and that's it" type of artists are getting BTFO

>>6423319
>where you sacrifice the personal expression and quality of your work, in favor of either mass production or ownership by another party
Isn't that what all these crying artstation fags already did? Their work is pretty much interchangeable with other people because of how the industry works.

And no I don't give a shit if someone else were to claim to be "the next anon", I'm still me and nobody can take that. You sound like you have a fragile ego.

>>6423303
You'd think by the point he's raking in 11k he'd know that people aren't just there for the art lmao, what a baby

>>6423322
This.
AI is our enemy for sure but i cant put down my evil smile when i see these pretty-girl-traced-from-my-GF-who-likes-my-follower-number-more-than-my-art-itself- Artists struggle. (suffer is a bit too much,they are rich)
Social-media-algorythms are desgined on hot-girl-fashion anime-girls and these guys know it and they went all-in. I think this is a level of high prostitution. I a world where you dont have to "pay the bills" Sam wouldnt do any of this kind of shit. Am i jealous? yeah, sure but i have good point none the less.

>>6423291
unironically yes. I have no clout. I am a nobody because I choose to be.

Art should not be accessible to everyone, as Gustave Flaubert said, the most important thing in art is to have a style that can be recognized, something that makes the single artist unique.
Using an AI to copy art is retarded, you're not accomplishing anything, just the thrill of having generated something similar to the style of a certain artist.

>>6422668
Wait what?
>Epic Games acquired ArtStation, a professional artists' marketplace, in April 2021. As part of the acquisition, ArtStation members would gain access to Epic's tools and support such as the Unreal Engine, while the ArtStation marketplace will reduce its take on purchases from 30% to 12%.[122] In July 2021, Epic acquired Sketchfab, a marketplace for 3D models. As with ArtStation, the acquisition allowed Sketchfab to reduce their pricing structure, lowering their revenue cut on purchases to 12% and making their Sketchfab Plus level of membership free.[123]
Damn, talk about double edged sword.

>>6423349
I'm not personally a fan of Sam's work and have probably heard more about him with regard to the AI debacle than i ever did prior, but I would never support an AIjeet trying to fuck him by making a slopper in his name - I'd side with the most degenerate leftist furfag nonbinary troon shitskin who actually draws before I'd ever side with a proompter. At the end of the day, a lot of his income likely comes from combining his art with being a YouTube personality.

Is 'YouTube personality' one of these so-called "real jobs" that I've yet to see explicitly defined?

>>6423426
The fact that people still have to input "in the style of" to get decent results says it all. Yes, human artists copy as well, but somehow they still manage to create pieces that have identifyable personal notes.

>>6423461
As i said, AI is OUR ALL enemy. I just wanted to tell my honest feelings. Of course a SamDoesArt is billion times better than an AI-user.

>Is 'YouTube personality' one of these so-called "real jobs" that I've yet to see explicitly defined?
Just look hot and do VLOGS and trace/paint your morning diarrhea and you´ll be praised like the Sun-king.

>>6423067
fatherless woman behavior

>>6423100
Have you tried being an individual?

>>6423067
>communities
Get out

>>6423282
no, that's even a worst place, just don't post your art on the internet if you care about fame and attention

>>6422663
you have to STOP anon. that's the entire point. these websites were always exploitative. and it's not gonna fucking stop. the more work you share on there, the more people are getting rich off you. you're literally feeding jeet mouths every time your post your art.

>>6423080
the absolute brainrot on that fucking retard

There's parts of artstation i really like but it's hard to get away from the fact that most of the shit on there is just ripe for AI to clone it. What I really enjoyed (past tense, because lets face it) about ArtStation is when people would post the behind the scenes photos of how they put together various pieces, especially the hand drawings prior to 3d modeling or environment art or whatever. It's really way more useful than seeing the finished pieces sometimes.

But so much of what ArtStation has is just mindless derivative shit, usually made with some teenage sexual appeal to it. So good riddance.

>>6423461
a job is only 'real' if you hate it as much as the wagie who is seething at you hates theirs

>>6422663
jeetstation didn't learn the lessons of cghub
nothing of value has been lost. just email clients lmao

>>6422666

Other than those, CGSociety (no idea what their stance is, but professional level) and Inkblot.art (early dA skill level and liberal af, but against AI-generated/NFTs)
Seriously considering going back to Pixiv

>>6423461
I think if aitards tried really hard to create a model imitating your work, you've already made it and don't have to worry about ai. Now if your style looks like thousands of others, that would be a problem.

>>6422663
oh no not someone who draws kids only
how will artstation recover now

>>6423248
>Do lazy ass generic portraits that are just a 1:1 copy of a reference but just with enlarged eyes
>Your work has absolutely nothing going for it except being 90% normie bait
>gets praised for it and build an entire youtube career out of baiting 14 year olds who are wowed by anything
>style gets perfectly replicated by an instagram/snapchat filter
>No one opens their mouth
>gets flawlessly replicated by AI
>"S-s-s-stop it gaise! Pls internet save me! You hate AI as well, don't you? Pls like and subscribe because i am a victim sob sob!"
And this is why i tend to side with the destructive force of AI.

You fags don't realize it and will never accept it since you're too busy trying to suck yourselves off, and i've said it at the beginning of this whole shit but; AI is a blessing in disguise.
Weak blood will be purged, only the strong and creative will survive, but most importantly, those who actually draw will inherit the arts.

Also:
Death to normies.

>>6422673
I made an account the other day and I shit you not, 60% of the art on the homepage is ai bullshit. They have a tag blacklist and it brought the ai bullshit down to 40%. It's a wasteland

>>6423740
is it?

>>6423746
this is what i got
funny
the website justifies its name i see

>>6423765
>>6423746
\the home page is different for each user?

>>6423734
>shitty artist making posts telling better artists to praise AI
You faggots really lack basic self awareness.

>>6423765
I'm getting what the other anon got, are you logged in?
Looking through the dA AI Art section is pretty funny. Some accounts generating a ton of work quickly and putting them on sale - only to slap the dA watermark over them so it's more difficult for AI to scrape from. Like people who only leech torrents but never seed.

>>6423776
>faggot lacking any reading comprehension
Wipe your cum off your chin, tranny.

>>6423778
>are you logged in
yes but the only guy ive followed there was this

>>6423734
You realise most work is grunt work right. Do you think the mechanic that fixes your car is some kind of genius that does something different to everyone else.

>>6423925
and ai will do the grunt work
you are free to create purely
aren't you happy?

>>6423925
Learn to fix your own car.
Learn to just draw.

Do you want me to foretell the future and why you should actually persevere and keep drawing instead of falling for the AItranny psyop?
I could, but it will attract a lot more trannies than there already are.

>>6423928
>everything I don't like is a tranny

>>6423933
Yes. Thanks for proving my point by posting one.

>>6423933
troon post

>>6423067
AIcells SEETHING because we broke their thievery toys.

>>6423248
>>6423734
>steal art from artists
>roll out their business models quickly and demand cash to use them
>artists are not allowed to profit or get royalties >most artists are not tagged and are not even aware they've been used
>AI losers say artists are greedy
>AI losers say artists jobs are going to disappear
>AI losers send death threats to the real artists
>artists just demand justice and to be treated fairly
>tell artists just to keep creating to profit off their hard work for free
>artists refuse
>artists destroy the "art websites" that backstabbed them
>artists scatter off to unseen parts of the internet or remove portfolios altogether

What did the AI chimps think would happen? They cannot create, so they cannot think far ahead either. AI chimps have subhuman behavior.

>>6423961
>demand cash to use them
SD is open source and free to use,used by chan weebs for waifu coom and CP.

Midjourney (HEAVILY CENSORED) is the one who charges 30$ a month and tells suckers they are artists too, so they have to flood all your galleries to validate their purchases.
NovelAi (not censored) is the pay service that creates all the low effort anime shit flooding pixiv.
Dalle2 is the pozzed one featured in MKBHD that is the corpo-friendly one to replace stock art (pay service)

Any one of tens of thousands of users can generate hundreds of images per hour, non stop.
An by this time next year, over whelming majority of all art galleries that do not ban them will be filled with ai images.
Find an human only site and post only there, if you even bother to post at all.

>>6423961
Oh, boy, here we go
>steal art from artists
Referencing with extra steps is not stealing even if automated.
Don't even try to argue this, please.
>inb4 but muh 0.01% of examples of AI printing a copy
Shit argument. As artists are allowed to use inspirations/references, there is no reason as to why anyone with an algorithm shouldn't be allowed to.
This whole argument comes off as trying to apply a double standard rather than actually arguing any moral validity to the creation of art.
>they demand cash
Ok? Anyone has the right to sell what they produce.
>artists are not allowed to profit or get royalties
Do artists pay the companies when they make and sell porn of those IPs or is it yet again another; "rules for thee but not for me" situation? Do artist source every single reference and work of others they have used? No, they don't even have to.
Go read the Intellectual property laws because it explains it.
Such as argument only heavily say that AI shouldn't be allowed to what artists do more efficiently
>Aitrannies are mean
Are you retarded?
>artists just demand justice and to be treated fairly
artists are the last people who should preach justice and fairness with the sheer amount of faggotry, cancelling and drama they're so fucking eager to pursue.
Not to speak of bullying.
>tell artists just to keep creating to profit off their hard work for free
If anyone tells you to kill yourself, do you have to do it?
>artists destroy the "art websites" that backstabbed them
>artists scatter off to unseen parts of the internet or remove portfolios altogether
You're just giving them what they actually want;
>removing yourself willingly from the playing field

They probably have petabytes upon terabytes of art to generate from, and trolls are using this whole even to shit on a bunch of oversensitive, hyperemotional, effeminate, low iq niggers and artists are swallowing the bait because they think they can use their victim status to gain social media notoriety.

>>6423961
>artists scatter off to unseen parts of the internet or remove portfolios altogether
never ever happening because you faggots are prima donnas that crave attention

AI is here to stay, go learn some useful skill, like becoming multi-disciplinary creative and actually create something of value or neck yourself. I don't care, your "art" is worthless trash anyway.

>>6423996
>Referencing with extra steps is not stealing even if automated.
Don't even try to argue this, please.
It is.
>Shit argument. As artists are allowed to use inspirations/references, there is no reason as to why anyone with an algorithm shouldn't be allowed to.
They are not. They just most likly glad that someone take inspiration from them and don't do anything about that.
>They probably have petabytes upon terabytes of art to generate from, and trolls are using this whole even to shit on a bunch of oversensitive, hyperemotional, effeminate, low iq niggers and artists are swallowing the bait because they think they can use their victim status to gain social media notoriety.
They can and its working, normies starting to hate that technology.

If you willing to project yourself as an artist its up to you, your dopamine kicks probably not gonna last long tho.

>>6424004
>>6423996
who is correct?
and who can enforce it?

>>6423996
Continued:
What AItrannies want you to think is that they're winning the war, while trying to heavily demoralize you so you go out without actually TRULY standing your ground.
When in reality, all the shit you hear about AI is propaganda in very literal meaning of the word.
If AI gets adapted commercially, it will happen with or without artists.

Your art isn't special, your art isn't unique and your art has no actual value if it can easily be replicated by a machine because the only value of your art is how "pretty" it looks.
First accept that you're a nobody and you will grow as an artist and as a person.

This whole AI shit is a test to sort out the weak and this is why i personally like it.
Weak people create hard times and so on.
>>6424004
>they are not
Ok, what about all the artists who trace a work, slap a different anime head on top and sell it as their own?
Don't say this never happens because i have my own very rich and famous trump card for that.
And if we start heavily autistically looking at everyone who draws, you will probably see a lot who make money with stolen work.
>normies starting to hate that technology
There has to be positive propaganda or else you can't be demoralized any further.
>hurr durr ur projecting as real artiste
I'm pointing out shit like i always do, you stupid nigger.
>>6424005
AItrannies have the moral high ground now because of their better rhetoric, but both sides are retarded faggots.
Trannies because they think they're going to have any actual success with the tech and get all rich and famous, Artists because they're losing their collective shit and letting AItrannies corner the market, while high profile artists are virtue signaling for clout and still earning the same money they've been doing.
>who can enforce it?
Enforce what exactly?

>>6424010
>Enforce what exactly?
to ban ai
to ban ai for a single particular case to protect artists
how could you even enforce this?

>>6424010
>Ok, what about all the artists who trace a work, slap a different anime head on top and sell it as their own?
>Don't say this never happens because i have my own very rich and famous trump card for that.
>And if we start heavily autistically looking at everyone who draws, you will probably see a lot who make money with stolen work.
You mean like shexyo? He've been calloaut and lost lot of followers, but i don't remember that Robobutts took any action.
>There has to be positive propaganda or else you can't be demoralized any further.
Anon this technology gonna fuck as long and really soon enough, its good that some people trying to delay that.
>you stupid nigger.
no u

>>6424020
I was mean that technology gonna ''fuck us all'' and its inevitable

Atomized photobashing.
The 'intelligence' part comes from context and pattern recognition. Thanks captcha.

>>6423746
Yes. And I dont follow many people yet

>>6424010
>AItrannies have the moral high ground now
wut
all of normie sphere is buttmad this week cause their beloved artfags all told them ai was stealing bread from their very mouths
sure they will forget by next week, but nowhere beyond tech bubbles are they pro-ai, everyone is rushing on top of each to proclaim their allegiance to humanity etc etc

>>6424010
>>6424020
>Don't say this never happens because i have my own very rich and famous trump card for that.
He most likely means Ilya, as he single handedly destroys like 90% of artcuck arguments about AI art using others work without consent as a reference.

>>6424017
In that case; it ain't happening and you can't lawfully enforce it.
To ban AI image generation it must become realistically dangerous or a threat to the actual physical and political safety of high ranking individuals and the financial safety of companies.
Even then, it will be same as drugs; lots is done, but there are still criminals who produce and sell it, and consumers willing to buy it.
>>6424020
The callout is what made him rich and famous.
Last time he had his patreon $ visible he was sitting at 5k monthly and on twitter he's at 700k followers.
This is just one pretty relevant example of how artists steal and get away with it.
>the tech is gonna fuck us
If you're actually a real fucking one, you don't care about a bunch of trannies circlejerking or companies shooting themselves in the foot.
I am already thinking 5 years ahead.
This isn't the terminator timeline either.
>>6424031
Internet outrage for clout don't mean crap, Anon.
>>6424035
Irrya is not that relevant of an argument in the case i want to show. I really meant Shexyo.

>>6424031
>pic
lmao bless his soul

>>6424037
>Irrya is not that relevant of an argument in the case i want to show.
Yeah, perhaps. But he literally kickstarted his career by tracing other peoples shit.

>>6424037

>>6424031
>placing your hopes on a Twitter post
Lol, lmao, artfags are delirious. And before you say anything I draw too, I laugh at inferior artists whose work is derivative enough that a bot can do it better.

>>6423067
That's why your daddy left you, because you are a pussy

>>6422663
I love Kyu Bum Lee's art so goddamn much it's unreal.

How do we segregate between AI fakes and real content going forward into the future?

>>6424067

>>6424067
there are some technical ways now, like this vid showing how seemingly white area all are different hues of white, impossible to create by hand, but they can be easily overcome/fixed if anyone actually wanted to
you can pretty much tell ai generated shit now just based on how it looks, but in the future it will be virtually impossible

>>6424067
With another AI

>>6424075
In the future, AI detection tech will exist... but that is never ending, and also helps improve the AI image tech in reverse...
AI text detection is pretty ok right now. http://gltr.io/

>>6424037
>In that case; it ain't happening and you can't lawfully enforce it.
>To ban AI image generation it must become realistically dangerous or a threat to the actual physical and political safety of high ranking individuals and the financial safety of companies.
>Even then, it will be same as drugs; lots is done, but there are still criminals who produce and sell it, and consumers willing to buy it
What a retarded argument. Of course it's dangerous politically, that's the main way this stuff can be weaponized. And what the fuck makes you think people are desperate enough to seek this out like drugs? Are you so dopamine depraved hitting a generate button gives you the same satisfaction? If it's illegal in the same category as cp most people aren't going to touch it.

>>6424067
>>6424075
>>6424069

It's gets pretty easy if you have a decent eye for eye in general
shadows don't make sense at all, when a beg fails at shadows you can typically see what they were thinking, obvious elements like hair, folds and lines don't have continuity, elements that are designed get place seemingly randomly, elements overlap weirdly while affecting each other in terms of value
not to mention anatomy

nobody who actually works in the industry is worried about the output itself, it's just the fact that you have to hide your work so it wont be abused but I guess it will soon fix itself once entertainment industry realizes how massive the payouts from lawsuits can be

I don't why I even wrote this, my first interacting with you pajeets about this

>>6424097
he's right, deep-fakes have existed for years
you are spouting hysterical gibberish

If they ban it, it means it will be banned for public use only, not institutions or governments, in terms of ai art, it will mean Disney et al will use it to make shit for themselves and give artist pennies per use, yer still screwed either way.

>>6424104
yes, his comment was more about the future
the danger of ai art right now is gallery flooding, making online spaces impossible for human artists do use, it's still long way off from replacing any working professionals

>>6422663
neocities.

>>6423248
sam has a good style for bimbos

>>6424128
those hands, lmao

>>6424097
Nigger, you're fucking illiterate
>And what the fuck makes you think people are desperate enough to seek this out like drugs?
It's an analogy, and if you weren't retarded i wouldn't need to explain it, but basically a case of
>supply and demand
Drugs are banned and illegal, yes?
So how come they are still produced?
Because it sells.
If it sells, obviously there is demand and someone is buying.

In this case it would companies still buying AI services because it's cheaper than to hire artists and making AI illegal won't stop companies or individuals from having their own closed network computer with an algorithm for image generation running, because it sells.
>if it's illegal as cp
Nigger you are completely retarded and absolutely oblivious to the huge fucking cp black market.
If it's illegal, why are there still producers, sellers and buyers?
>bb-b-b-but just make it LIKE cp
You don't get to decide HOW illegal you make something.
Are you 14 or just straight up low iq?
Lurking /pol/ or political subreddits don't make you actually smart or able to talk about shit when you can't even understand one simple analogy without going into emotional arguments, fag.

>>6424104
It'll really be orge once artists start trademarking their image. Lawsuits everywhere exactly like authors and musicians.

>>6424160
So much seething kek. And thanks to the pedos yeah it's going to be in the same category as cp. You won't get the pleasure of sharing your generated goyslop anywhere in the public internet spaces. Have fun on the black market tho

>>6423080
You know, this AI topic has really revealed a deeper issue in our society and the younger generations. People like Unlocked here are the ultimate, eternal consoomers. Their brains are irreversibly damaged by social media and the constant stream of media. They are so used to get everything instantly, they envy artists. All they can see is the end product and they want to do it now, but without having to put in any work or learning the craft. Unlocked sees the difficulties as an injustice and gatekeeping put upon him. He will never understand, that the process of learning, overcoming difficulties, drawing and finally creating something is rewarding and fulfilling. I knew it was a mistake to give out participation trophies to the younger generations - they despise hard work and want everything NOW. After all, everything was given to them and twitter constantly tells them of the injustices of western society. Why shouldn't he use prompts and create AI art? It's practically the same thing as drawing.

>>6424168
>hurr durr i was just pretending to be retarded seethe goyslop pedo lol lmao
No wonder you're scared of technotrooners, nigger.
Just admit you don't know shit or kill yourself.

Last (you) btw get new material

>>6423765
>pregnant
deviantart special
da would be nothing without pregnancy art

>>6423253
Artfol.

>ai arrives
>people get discouraged to learn how to draw because AI doest it
>true artist praised like heroes that learned how to do that by themselves
>years later there are less true artists and they are an elite a voice of old world
As a professional artist that not going to stop - I don't mind that.

>>6423926
>>6423734
Ai does the creative work you mongoloid. It does not do the grunt work because it cant do what you wish it would do. You are basically eugenicist looking at a supervolcano that is about to erupt and instead of trying to stop it (even if the chance of success is miniscule) you are embracing it because "it will just kill the weak, strong will survive, supervolcano is actually good" and then when it erupts the 3 year constant winter from all the ash in the atmosphere will kill both the strong and the weak. But if it is your way of coping, then sure, go ahead.

>>6424355
>Artfol
app... no web interface?

>>6424185
And the people being inundated with media has eroded the knowledge of the existence of the creators, outside of celebrity. Combine that with the internet (and other things) dehumanizing other people and you really have a recipe for rampant bullshit.
Artworks just show up in my feeds, reposted by a random person who got it from a random secondary source with no attribution, so it's already like nobody made it. And even if they did, we're all just like machines anyway, so it isn't like that artist did anything special or add anything unique that should be treated with catr. And besides, why should THEY be the only ones to earn attention, or praise, or money, or whatever the fuck from "their" image created with "their" worthless skills? I should be allowed to throw it into img2img and post the result, or hell, even sell the result! The "artist" with their brain and memories is no different from the program producing the result with its human-like brain, so it's all OK and ethical... but nobody should steal what I made using img2img, because I put a lot of thought and effort into it.

>>6422697
i know it can be hard to have empathy for others when you spend so much time obsessing over yourself with me me me I I I.

>>6424185
And the people being inundated with media has eroded the knowledge of the existence of the creators, outside of celebrity. Combine that with the internet (and other things) dehumanizing other people and you really have a recipe for rampant bullshit.
Artworks just show up in my feeds, reposted by a random person who got it from a random secondary source with no attribution, so it's already like nobody made it. And even if they did, we're all just like machines anyway, so it isn't like that artist did anything special or add anything unique that should be treated with care. And besides, why should THEY be the only ones to earn attention, or praise, or money, or whatever the fuck from "their" image created with "their" worthless skills? I should be allowed to throw it into img2img and post the result, or hell, even sell the result! The "artist" with their brain and memories is no different from the program producing the result with its human-like brain, so it's all OK and ethical... but nobody should steal what I made using img2img, because I put a lot of thought and effort into it.

>>6424050
Everything humans ever did is derivative enough to be done by a robot. Science is derivative since it build on top of each discovery, code is derivative since it just applies math to computer language to reach a goal, art is derivative, the first artists just melted animals together (chymera, sphinx, medusa), writers are derivative and just adopt real live stories into fiction, mechanics are derivative since they apply already existing inventions to new problems, and so on and so forth. Its all just combination of problem solving, being derivative, and applying math which can already be done by computers. Even the advanced stuff beyond calculators is being tackled by AI, like that recent discovery of multiplying matrixes.
>>6424075
Thats just .jpg compression. Also if that picture does not have pure white in it and that white is part of some gradient, it will do this funky stuff too.
>>6424089
AI cant tell which is AI and which is human. AI programs that can recognize AI artwork are already used inside of that AI artwork generators in the first place. AI art generators are just pattern seekers, so if you make AI that can seek out real art patterns from AI art patterns, then you can just use the same AI inside of that AI art generator and it will improve the AI art. You cant make AI that detects AI in any field, its literally impossible since if it could tell AI from non-AI, then it could just put that rule into the generating AI and make the AI even harder to recognize as AI.

Plus even human moderators would be worthless since AI art has passed the Turing test long time ago. And by the time artists find enough resources to build the website with its servers, and have lawyers and contracts that make said art legally protected from data scrapping, the AIs will be far far too good and unrecognizable.

people are sneeding about existential gay shit that doesn't matter. the biggest immediate problem with ainiggers is that they've shit up /ic/ and every other artist centric site to the point of being unusable. there's no point being bated into a debate with these low caste streetshitters, the rich indians unpersoned them for a reason because they literally are automatons with no souls. they have no principles or ethos. they have no spirit for work or creation and just like their gay reddit machines they can formulate no cogent argument that is founded in any substantive beliefs or values they will simply glue together rhetoric with nothing behind it. for all intents in purposes you are arguing with a chatbot that just happens to have a limbic system

>>6424105
Who cares about what Disney is doing. They will just use it for black woman superman movies that nobody goes in theatres for. It is actually more dangerous in hands of normies since if everyone can generate their own shit at home, why bother seeking what other people created? Just play your own shit and be happy with it.

>>6424464
>You cant make AI that detects AI in any field, its literally impossible since if it could tell AI from non-AI, then it could just put that rule into the generating AI and make the AI even harder to recognize as AI.
But... it is already a thing. these programs exist. AI image generators cost hundreds of thousands to train, detectors cost next to nothing. so while compute is expensive, detectors have the edge.

>>6424441
Yeah, Anon, you better just quit and kill yourself then.
I still encourage everyone to keep drawing and listen to me.

With me, you win.

>>6424037
>Shexyo
Excellent example. The people who shit on him for his copying would struggle to copy as well as he does. If CSR didn't get so indignant about it they could have teamed up to make perfectly fluid animations.

>>6424441
The creative work is done by the AI operator. The grunt work is done by the AI.
Consider using an AI to design some object. The creative work is when you make it pump out 100 designs, and see if any of those are good enough to use as a concept.

Creative work is quality control over idea combination. It's the process by which the Brave Little Toaster's face was decided to be best without a nose.

>>6424460
Anon the point is that paid "reference packs" are already a scam, AI or not.

>>6424470
If this is the attitude you have towards your clients then no wonder you're upset, holy shit. Please go learn why people commission art before you torpedo your entire business and end up necking yourself.

>>6424067
It’s so easy. Do AI chimps not have eyes?

>>6424185
The envy is palpable. Holy shit. I have a theory they envy us and these “transhumanists” (they don’t even understand transhumanism) because they see artists akin to gods. We can create artwork with our bare hands and use our minds eye to manifest great works into the real world.

The AI monkey is a subhuman with leftover Neanderthal DNA, incapable of creation. More akin to AI themselves, a lesser, an NPC, they will always envy the works of gods - artists.

>>6424422
That's pretty optimistic. There's a reason why the big push behind this involves a direct effort to use language and arguments that blur the line between "tool" and "creator," and "human brain" and "computer program." By the time we reach the era you're describing, people will have been fully conditioned to notice your work, photograph or save your work, use it as "training data," and then declare themselves as having mastered, and even improved, your art style, making you obsolete and them the superior, more efficient artist... and fully believe it.

>>6422668
CHYNA

>>6422663
>Artstation is dead now
Twitter artists and artstation artists are a pretty different demographic.
Just look at what's popular on AS vs Twitter. Art Station is mostly professional concept art guys and twitter is more for illustrators, fan-artists and animators.
There is some overlap but it's not much.

Personally I'm onboard with >>6422886
This era of centralized internet has been nothing but terrible. These sites should basically just be used as Billboards to lead to your personal site.

>>6424481
the fact of the matter is that the guy outright traced multiple works of csr, basically doing what the artist preach as the ultimate sin: stealing artwork.
Did anyone do anything? Nope, the guy got more famous and richer by the day the more artists trying to get brownie points for pointing at the bad guy.
More other high follower count artists followed him trying to ride his social media dick when they couldn't get rid of him.

Just humor me on this;
This is the ultimate proof that artists are a bunch of egomaniacal hypocritical delusional narcissists trying to play social games, will preach virtues and try to enforce rules while they will cheat and commit to any dirty tricks to get an advantage over others or try to drag others down because they can't have what others do, hence why artists are incredibly quick to call anyone criticizing them as "jealous"-- because that's how they feel all the time towards other people who have more and are better than them.
And consumers really don't give a shit they just want to consume.

My point is that the majority of artists aren't complaining about AI and accusing it of stealing out of any real morality or ethical issue, they simply dread that AI will make them irrelevant because it takes away the only means they had to gain any sort of attention they didn't have to really do anything for.

Such non-people are the epitome of weakness and should be removed from the gene pool.

>>6424511
Dubs of truth.

>>6424511
Why does it even matter to you? They're totally justified to shit on this tech no matter where their arguments come from. You're barking for attention in the exact same way with your shit doodles. Go get some loomis instead of shitting on your fellow artist.

no one has detected my AI art so far :)

>>6424511
>keep drawing everyone! I love art and artist!
>90% of artists should be removed from the gene pool lol
make up your mind, fencesitting nigger

How would you feel complimenting or giving advice, only to find later that the piece was AI art?

It wouldn't bother me one bit. It's just a tool, and critique that applies to any art would of course also apply to AI art.

>>6424511
>egomaniacal, hypocritical, delusional narcissists
That is projection from an untalented AI chum who can’t even draw. You guys think you can get away art thievery, but you can’t. Class action lawsuits are already starting. I have never seen such cocky losers.

>blatant artist baiting threads from non-artists on /ic/
Mods, why are these threads allowed? Explain yourselves.

ARTBROS WE WON !!1

>>6424524
That isn't contradictory. Reread his post a few more times and you might understand it.
>>6424518
NTA but shitty, disingenuous arguments that only exist to serve what he outlined above makes them completely unjustified.

>>6424527
>waaah anyone who disagrees CANT be an artist! they can't! You don't deserve the title! It's only for the RIGHT PEOPLE! See? LAWSUITS IN PROGRESS!

Those lawsuits will take at least 2, but probably more like 5+ years to get anywhere, and the way the law is set up there's a high likelihood that it's not going to end up damaging AI.

>>6424531
>AI “artists” are getting organon harvested
Based.

>>6424521
lets see it

>>6424531
based changs

>>6424511
>artists are a bunch of egomaniacal hypocritical delusional narcissists
100% true, but that doesn't mean you have to roll over and fade into the good night because silicon valley wants the bigger piece of the pie
>>6424508
thanks man, make WWW great again

>>6424532
Uh oh. China outlawed AI art. ArtStation is owned by Tencent. AI bros, we lost!

>>6424540
China didnt outlaw anything, they just forced people to put watermarks there, which would be unironically better solution then this copyright battle. Just make the law and then Midjurney, online SD, Dall-E, NovelAI and many others will just plot watermark on all of their pictures and the problem would be solved. Normies who dont like AI art will know where to not look, those who like it will like it, and nobody will use it commercially because that watermark would enforce the no copyright law it is right now under.

>>6424538
>but that doesn't mean you have to roll over and fade into the good night
Just draw then, no one is stopping you.
No one but AItrannies is trying to make you stop.

You ain't stopping AI because those who can literally buy your entire existence and delete it from reality want to make AI happen.
Then you must overcome it and be better than whatever garbage some bootleg photoshop manages to shit out.

If you feel that it's too much work for you, just quit and see yourself out.
>>6424518
It matters to me because the truth sets you free and trannies, narcissists, psychopaths and faggots hate the truth.
>fellow artists
Don't lump me with your kin, nigger.

I only respect those who draw, not those who actually call themselves artists.
>you're barking for attention
I get attention because what i do and say holds a actual value, i don't beg for it and i don't seek attention.
This is why narcissists also despise individuals like me that get attention while they have to struggle, lie, deceive and cheat to even get an ounce of validation from their own flesh and blood.
>emotional arguments are valid
No.

>>6424531
Can't wait for the reddit replies

>>6424531
lol fake as fuck

>>6423218
Also hoping that apple allows 3rd party appstores.

>>6424570
but I do both, I draw because that’s my job and I love doing it and also criticize shit soulless corporations, is not that hard

>>6424594
I didn't ask and what is even your point? How is this relevant to the conversation?

Your feelings aren't an argument.

Based AIjeets. Fuck chinks

>>6424616
Kill yourself

>>6422692
Didn't know pajeets all had a bunch of 3090 cards laying around.

>>6424594
argument for what? You’re just trying to tell me what I should do and I’m telling you I already do that, so I don’t get what the hell you want other than being a gratuitous contrarian

>>6424733
faggot, go draw and shut up

>>6424733
this was meant for >>6424616

>>6424594
>shit soulless corporations
I wasn't aware random dudes generating lowbrow art were "shit soulless corporations" but I guess if your entire value system is ties to hating corps then eventually the psychosis would get you calling anyone a corp, huh?

>>6424746
You realize that the people behind these programs in the first place are companies profiting off (You), right?

>>6423734
You're a /beg/, put yourself in your place.

>>6424749
So? Labor theory of value has been debunked.

>>6424754
Still happy that Jamal is banging your wife while he mocks you?

>>6424760
>being so attached to your art that you perceive anyone using it as if they're raping you
womanly mentality

>>6424718
Do it yourself, you lazy ass nigger.
>>6424733
Are you unable to perceive anything beyond your own shadow or are you still thinking you can keep baiting me, Anon-kun?
>>6424751
I already am; I have become apex-Anon, ruler of art and destroyer of trannies.
But please, do try to put me in my place, it sure as hell will prove anything i say wrong and not further confirm it.

For anyone whose work was included in the training data, I just want to say, Thanks. :)

Lmao. As someone that got an entire gallery fed to this shit I can sum up the conversations that I had with normalfag and aifag
>Holy shit anon, it's really not that bad and artists use reference all the time
>It's not different from how a human brain does art
>I never got stolen in my entire life so I could care less about it

>>6424531
Unironically this is something I can see coming from Blizzard

>>6424531
absolute fake
also china artsites shoud ban ai art without watermark, they have new law about ai, maybe someone know any?

>>6424561

>>6424808
The law will be rolled next month.

My work will never get stolen for AI because it sucks

>>6424814
anyway china art sites shoud be good places for real artists

>>6424810
Stop spamming this as if it's an own. You already got your answer in multiple threads as to why it's more an indicator of how shitty the record labels are than anything bad about AI.

>>6424763
>raping
You're entirely missing the point. It's you sitting around with a smile on your face while somebody else makes use of something presumably important to you, all while mocking your impotency. If you're happy about that, you have cuck mentality.

>>6424862
>They're making fun of me, so i have to get revenge by being completely insane and giving them more ammo
Well, no shit they make fun of you when you can't even beat them at their own game, kiddo.

You letting yourself get cucked by others through your own actions.

>>6424830
>spamming
im not spaming
>got your answer
no i dont
>indicator of how shitty the record labels are
no, not about that
> than anything bad about AI.
exactly everething about how bad this ai theft is.

>>6424862
>while somebody else makes use of something presumably important to you
Why the fuck would I share my art publicly if I cared how people made use of it? Their use doesn't interfere with my use. If someone wanted to draw or edit my OCs in a way I'd detest, as long as I don't have to see it why should I care?

My art is out there for people to use their downloaded copies as they want. Most people like to just look at it as-is, but if they wanted to do anything else with it there's no reason why I'd even want to stop them. I use other peoples' art as I please, so I'm not going to be a hypocrite.

>>6424746
i dont care about raj and stan generating shit to impress their moms
also yes, hating on unethical corporations is a part of my value system

>>6424876
And yet you waste your time being mad at a company that hasn't violated any actual ethical standard for art

>>6424816
Based /beg/chad.
Low skilled artists like us will survive the great PROOMPTING

I still think we should create closed communities from only artists that only artists can enter. You can only enter with an invite and if the person you invite gets banned you also get banned.

Not now but it will probably happen at some point, artists will exodus to smaller and smaller sites and in some of those sites they will create a closed community and the community will grown around the idea of defending the art as much as they can. Probably newgrounds or furaffinity since those are the ones that are banning art right now.

I've been thinking in migrating to newgrounds since is a small place and mostly oriented to people who like creating something and probably won't bend the knee to big corporations since it never did. From there I will probably workshop the idea with people interested in it. Since the interest of most AI shit is to simply steal anything they can they will probably target music and animation at some point and newgrounds is full of this sort of thing, is probably the best place right now to build your portfolio.

It will be funny too see in three or four years how the internet will look when all real artists are gone and all the AI has left to steal is more and more AI art, always filtering and regurgitating the same things over and over again. It's kinda like memes and how they gone from being actually original and interesting to be just the same thing over and over again being regorgited by normies because they invaded the space of people who actually did interesting things, the same will happen with illustration and fanart in general, at some point even internet comments and discussions will also be only for bots and the only place to use the real internet will be in alternative closed spaces that you can only have access if you are permitted in it.

i draw all day long because have autism and drawing makes me happy.
if the zogmachine makes that no longer a valuable skillset i will simply be a neet and kep drawing all day and be happy

>>6424470
>why bother seeking what other people created? Just play your own shit and be happy with it.
this is the best option

>>6423734
Good morning fames. Here you (((You)))

>>6424531
I never would have guessed that I’d be siding with the CCP against globohomo and /pol/

>>6424937
I would love such a site.
It would be quite exciting to remain undetected as AI

>>6424531
based china
the bugman wins again!

>>6424937
Sounds based

>>6424531
This can't be possible

>>6424777
I also wish to thank the artists, but non one here becasue westcucks all deserve death, inshallah

>>6425069
TIK TOK, CUNT

>>6424531
Post the real thing, which is basically just the DeviantArt response
https://magazine.artstation.com/2022/12/noli-tag/

>>6425069
Of course it is. Ever wonder why every single website you fist visit post-2018 has a privacy disclaimer you have to agree to? You can thank the EU for that.

https://www.shift4shop.com/lp/ecommerce-university/what-is-gdpr/

>>6424531
I kneel

>>6424808
ccp just wants to keep deepfakes as a state monopoly

wow
so this is the power of the +100k followers...

>>6425060
Easy to stop that. Just starting inviting people who were artists before 2022 at first. And to get in you would need to send a video of you drawing traditionally and have a gracing period were you become a trusted enough user.

The point of the site wouldn't be to be massive so spotting AI users would be that hard. Since one of the objectives would to keep the art as human as possible anything that Ai can make like anime girls wouldn't be put on extra scrutiny for most users. Is like identifying tracers or photobashers, is possible, you can go a long period of time with you thinking people don't notice but the people who don't notice just don't care enough to say something, I mean, why would they? As the site grows and evolves and the trend is to create innovative things to separate our art more and more from mainstream AI would have more and more difficulty replicating our own aesthetic values.

>>6425130
How would this site help me get a job?

>>6425130
All you're describing is something similar to SomethingAwful's Helldump which is not a thing you want to replicate. Your site will have problems of drama and then either it will collapse or metastasize into cancer.

>>6425138
It wouldn't, he just wants a safe space from the scawwy AI

>>6425128
that's pretty good for doing basically nothing
each image takes 40 seconds poop out
you are giving real pajeets more motivation ;)

>>6425138
If you need to ask you don't know how to make money with art either way, the problem is you, not AI.

>>6425128
Reminder

>>6425138
>help me get a job?
lmao
no

>>6425140
>le drama
>post internet 2015 bullshit
Drama is for normies, artist communities only have drama that are created by normies retards acting like is any social media with famous people. The only drama we would have are retards that want to get in but can't crying about it. How much sites like Newgrounds that are purely creation oriented have?

>>6425142
I already have a job the question was rhetorical
I thought this thread was about replacing artstation.

>>6425151
Newgrounds is probably the best place right now. mostly artists, already bans AI and small enough that wound't get much traffic but still has enough people in the industry to make a difference. You probably would still get jobs but in indie studios.

>>6425143

>>6425148
>artist communities only have drama that are created by normies retards
You have to be 18 to post here

>>6423067
ArtStation wasn't much a community. More like a place for out of work professionals to shill their gumroad video tutorials.

>>6425157
What's wrong with NFTs, as long as they aren't made using stolen art? Sure, they'd be a dumb investment, but there's literally nothing wrong with somebody selling their own work as an NFT.

>>6425153
Also, I would probably wait and see because I bet a alternative for artstation will pop up in the next few month if they don't do something about this.

I mean, artstation was created because people were tired of Deviantart and their bullshit. Perverts exodus to Pixiv and the serious business faggots to artstation, I really don't know why those companies think the same won't happen to them. People do seem to really hate AI art, I never met people who are in to it if not the shills who use it and they are always a minority. Once the same retards realize money won't magically appear out of nowhere just because they are using AI generators they will probably leave it to rot and artists knowing full well what companies are worth trusting will just slowly stop using it. I even think is a good thing in a way, because it shows who are in and against us.

>>6425159
How much sites like Newgrounds that are purely creation oriented have? You tell me.

>>6425153
>Newgrounds
gross
I refuse

>>6425176
Yeah, why? What is exactly wrong with newgrounds exactly?

>>6425163
It's literally a scam. There is nothing being actually sold, just a "spot on the blockchan that points to some art somewhere online." It's like the brooklyn bridge scam. They aren't selling any art, they're selling a blockchain token and saying the art kind-of-sort-of identifies the token.

The people who were "into" NFTs without realizing this were obsessed over trying to signal "authenticity" for social points, basically trying to bring the irl art-trade into a digital space. And getting scammed for their retardation.

>>6425141
yes anon keep increasing the supply to levels no human have seen im sure nothing bad will happen xD

>>6425184
if I don't, 10k pajeets will
better me, than them ;)

>>6425178
they have a tacky reputation for gross out flash games for edgy 12 year olds from the old day, it's fine now tho

>>6425162
kek this but unironically

>>6425191
yes anon make all the world able to "draw" im sure all of those artist will support the patreon of those fellow artist ;)

>>6425191
Not really. Dude still only make money on it because there are still a public for this. Once it becomes oversaturated the public will just phase out and look for something else. People who still could make money with it are people who stand out from the flock, something AI artists can't do.

Indians have become the "muh jews" of /ic/
ya love to see it

>>6425180
But if an artist wishes to sell their work as an NFT and somebody is willing to pay it, what's wrong with that? It's a consensual sale, as long as neither party is themselves using it as a tool to launder illegal income. It's like how the graded videogame market's insane inflation was based largely on bullshit and scummy sales, but it doesn't inherently make every sale of a graded game a scam.

>>6425202
I used to think that was funny until I was searching some stuff about electronics on youtube. Not only it's full of indians all of them were shilling AI in some form. There was this dude shilling AI to write your dissertations like this won't fully backfire. Even before that I was checking indian artists and seeing their process and most of them were losers photobashing and larping as artists on instagram.

I mean, I think is retarded but also pretty spot on. Kinda makes me feel bad because I do imagine there is at least one or two real indian artists that are being affected by the stereotype but is pretty close to reality.

>>6425207
something something the environment. I've seen this argument a lot on Twitter, I don't know how much there is to it.

>>6424185
The participation trophy rhetoric is fucking weird. I was a fat little kid who played soccer and got participation trophies, which either sat collecting dust on my headstand or went into a box. I severely doubt I would have been inspired to go outside and practice 3 hours a day like the kids who were actually good if I hadn't been given a plastic trophy for participating; I just wasn't competitive at all.

>>6425163
unfortunately snakeoil peddlers and 2nd tier hustlers drove the entire reputation of tokens into the ground by running what were effectively multi level marketing schemes without even the basic level of conmanship you'd get from a phishing email. if you wanted to be very jaded you could point out that fine art is literally everything people hate about nfts but simply limited to rich people but the purely transparent level of greed and laziness of nftshitters pretty much salted the earth for anyone trying to do something legitimate like mullins.

>>6425163
if you can get paid to make content to be used in NFTs I say go for it. Good luck finding someone willing to pay you in real money for that however

>>6425202
>of /ic/
I'm pretty sure the fact that the most prolific online and phone scammer centers are in India, that people have long been fed-up with getting routed to tech support "sir do the needful again and reset the router once again pls" script regurgitation, Indian instagram and Facebook comments, and the whole concept of scambaiting becoming an online fad has led to mockery of, and skeptical attitude toward, Indians becoming the norm in lots of online communities. There also has yet to be an Indian-oriented social movement in the west, so they're seemingly a race that people seem to feel OK openly shitting on.
I feel sorry for them, but at this point it seems that a lot of peoples' bullshit sensors turn on the second they detect that they're dealing with an Indian over the phone or internet.

>>6425213
'nfts burn electricity' is a meaningless argument when literally every piece of digital art being stored on a server is doing that already.
shop lighting probably burns even more energy than that.

>>6425227
It's all true. They seem to be an entire nation of scammers and perverts. Its so obvious to everyone that even the woke crowd accepts it.

>>6425207
Because the artist isn't "selling their work as an NFT". By presenting it that way they're scamming the person because they're not selling "the art" at all. They're selling a token on a blockchain.

>>6425227
>>6425232
Much of india only came online within the past few years, and most of that via mobile connections (facebook was practically giving away phones to random indians for a while).
There's no culture of netiquette or anything, and to my knowledge there's still no real auto-translate for most of the indian languages (mainly hindi).

It's like millions of tech-illiterate grandpas got internet access except they're mostly in their 20s-50s. That's why they treat other people online as if they're NPCs, the internet doesn't "feel real" to them.

>>6425234
If the artist sells an artwork but simply delivers an NFT, that's scamming. If everything is explicitly an NFT from the get-go, I still don't see the problem, beyond the inherent stupidity of people engaging in such things. The buyer isn't being forced to buy anything, they can research what they're getting into before they buy.

>>6422886
Based 1.0 chad. Use social media to post site updates if you give a shit a following while giving potential clients and customers an actual, immersive to portfolio to bask in. It makes your work look better, and less like another soulless product on a barebones website. Everyone else whining "BUT HOW DEY CLICK LINK?" can stay being addicted to likes and asking "is 10k followers enough for a patreon?" for your backer minnows while the rest of us focus on the whales.
Lots of cheap hosts and domain names to claim. Caard is also fine if you don't want to bother with code or fucking with a host; it's always better than making a client sift through the media feed cluttered with your RTs, food pics, and hot take memes. Remember to have fun making the website as you do your own art.

>>6425239
No, they've always been like this.

>>6424797
I'm sorry that happened to you. I'll put a curse on the AI fags for you. They will never achieve greatness. AI artists are closer to chimps than men.

>>6424808
We might be using Chinese art sites now? Eh, not the path I thought we'd take but whatever. ArtStation is owned by NFT fags and dA was secretly making their own AI generator behind the scenes. Not sure what is up with pixiv, but you should see what they're saying on the JP side. Japanese are naturally floored they've been betrayed by what was once considered one of the best art sites.

>>6425240
There isn't anything tying the artwork to the NFT. The NFT has no actual concept of ownership, it's just a token. It adds nothing but fees.

The artist might as well just ask for a donation because they're giving the person nothing of value by selling them an NFT (except possibly the ability to hot potato the token to a bagholder.)

>>6425277
I can imagine they are not happy. and is a pretty big betrayal, I used to have some deep respect towards the people behind Pixiv and their integrity but after that it was a bit shocking to see they simply tolerating this.

I get part of their point and how hard it would be to moderate because pixiv art is really samy, but some AI art is just stole assets, is as easy to identify as to create since is all copy pasted stuff from other places. I wonder if their decision was based on the idea they think you can't fight back but seeing people exactly that makes me wonder what they are thinking right now. I don't really think AI art will go much further than already did, the own AIfaggots ruined their chance by acting the way they did, from spams to attacking artists and all the things involved with it. They fully expected people to just accepted quietly and they really are not doing that so I can't imagine whatever the fuck is going on japan that is basically the modern art capital of the world and their autism.

>>6424816
we won this round /beg/bros

>>6423996
arguments like these are always so retarded. You're trying to equate a man made algorithm with visible parameters set by code and shoving a fancy "Learning/Training" tag to it like it's actually a human. No you fucking troglodyte, it's based off of code that takes in whatever it's fed and spews out what is akin to tracing for regular artists. It's not fucking referencing holy shit I know AIbros are retarded but it's like come on, stop with this shit bad faith grounds for your argument if you're gonna try to shill your AI cause you don't have the work ethic or patience to learn to draw yourself

>>6425277
>what they're saying on the JP side
I actually haven't seen a lot of anti-AI posting from Japanese illustrators. Some artists I follow on Twitter have added "don't use for AI training" to their usual "do not steal" disclaimers, but that's about it. Was there any discourse about it in the JP community when the pixiv thing happened?

>>6425266
exactly my point, look at the instagram thots with millions of followers struggling to sell a dozen of tshirts, people there don’t give a fuck, take your like and fuck off, that’s not a viable way to make a living

to me, people obsessed with the social media model are just dopamine addicts, so I’m going to stick with my website and real clients

>>6425294
No, you don't get it.

The human using the AI is the same as the human without the AI. The output of the human using the tool is fine because if the human made the same thing by hand it would also be fine. It isn't magically made invalid because he used technology to get the same result.

>>6425338
This has to be a troll answer, there’s no relation whatsoever to why you typed and my post wtf are you on about. What is this stupid answer, no it doesn’t magically make it okay when the model is straight up storing and using images from artists works that don’t want to be associated with it. Even as I’m speaking it’s being fed images of artists works. If an artist just slammed two images from artists that they liked and mashed it people would call it out for what it is because it’s not their work. The fuck is this didn’t matter as long as a human is involved idea? This is the dumbest thing I’ve read so far

>>6425374
>the model is straight up storing and using images from artists works
incorrect

>>6425374
1. It's not storing the images, it only has data which has been analyzed from images, done by a different program
2. It's not "being fed" images continuously, once it's trained it's basically set
3. You don't get a choice if you want to be "associated" with it or not. That data usage is not in violation of your rights
4.
>If an artist just slammed two images from artists that they liked and mashed it people would call it out for what it is because it’s not their work
Depends on how they were combined. AI basically uses <1% of any particular image, artists frequently use a lot more (like referencing a specific pose.)
Photobashing is a legitimate form of art though so if you can photobash 2 things together in an interesting and novel enough way it'll still be fine.
And it doesn't matter if zoomer artists "call something out" just cause they don't like it.

It's fine for a human to take elements and concepts (not even talking about collaging! just 'ideas about the images') from lots of images to make a new one, so it's fine for a human to use a tool, loaded with lots of elements and concepts from many other images, to make a new image.

>>6425301
Japanese are non-confrontational. They won't sperg out in the comments section like westerners but instead either talk about it on their blog or hold it in and be passive aggressive.

>>6425386
Say it with a straight face. You’re telling me the programs aren’t being fed artists images right now by people who are using it, and using that stored data to help “train” the model even further? Are you actually for real? Jesus ai bros are something else, that level of cognitive dissonance can’t be beat. What the fuck do you think these algorithms are? Actually so brain dead, ethical ai sounds great and I’m all for it but with regards like you defending ai I doubt it’ll get far sadly

>>6425399
No we're telling you that the process of "analyzing the art and then feeding the results of that analysis into AI art programs" is not unethical, not immoral, and falls under fair use legally.

>>6425394
Obviously that’s not true, Any google search prompts what these companies are doing as people are continually using these models. Please for the love of god don’t defend this shit if you’re gonna spew misinformation. And again every ai bro keeps talking about how the code is training itself and learning like a human only taking parts of images it’s been fed and realigning it into something new but the argument is skewed wrong in the first place. You can not in good faith try to argue that machine learning algorithms bound by their code fed millions of images in its database to pick and choose from like a library is the same as an artist looking at references and implementing things from their life into a new image. If you’re actually trying to say that humans and code are the exact same thing then the argument would have better standing but I seriously doubt you actually believe that if you’re arguing jn good faith

>horse merchants seething about the new automobiles
Lmao

>>6425091
Based EU, but please dont be retarded

>>6425404
It's not "training itself" and I have no idea who the fuck is telling you it is but they're wrong. Once the model is trained it's fixed. No adding, no removing without the long and arduous process of retraining.

It doesn't HAVE images inside it. It only has DATA ABOUT IMAGES. The fucking models are 4GB and can be run on a decently-powerful home computer, there is no big brain central core bullshit thing.

You are wrong, and you type like a 15 year old twitter artist. That alone makes you already seem like an idiot, but the fact you're phoneposting makes it even worse.

>>6425417
Using people's images to train a model without their consent is still shady even if it's not contained in the actual model file. It was still part of the database used to create it. But I realize arguing with proompters is pointless because they have an irrational emotional attachment to a hobby they just discovered six months ago.

>>6425417
I dont know what to tell you, what you're saying doesn't even align with the aibros on stablediffusions subreddit so unless there's a serious information gap somewhere it's really telling how bad people are informed about all of this. Not to mention your points don't even address the main issue of this argument if you're gonna try to defend AI. Probably because yo can't argue it without admitting the differences in how the whole system works vs a human. It is what it is but don't try to hype yourself up and leave a witty comment if you're not even gonna engage with the original argument, so fucking retarded and i;ll type that like a 12 year old twit artist just to make it clear for you

>>6425422
It's not shady, you're just not mature enough to realize you don't have absolute tyranny over your art and that "fair use" means more than "my favorite youtuber doesn't get copright strikes"

>>6425426
Your posts are rambling and lack formatting to the point where it's painful to read and pull apart what your actual points are.

Try saying less and maybe I'll be able to figure out what your "main issue" is.

>>6425435
I’m actually kind of baffled that you can’t sit and figure out what the main point of the argument was before you chimed in. Surely you’re not this fucking retarded right? Just read the post again and do some work Jesus lmao are you actually 12? You replied to the original post with your numbering surely you didn’t do so without reading?

>>6425443
I replied to every one of your initial points and you dismissed it wholesale with "obviously that's not true" when it is true. So unless you want to go back point by point and explain why you think each isn't true, you can go back to twitter.

>>6425414
>comparing the invention of the automobile to an anime blender
Hubris

>>6425414
Automobile is still inferior to trains and has ruined city planning in general. Only reason it was adopted at first was because horses shat on streets while cars didn't. Street shitting was the reason for car adoption and the world would be most likely better place if they were never invented.

>>6425454
Neh, we're comparing to a nag.

>>6425459
true facts

>>6425454
AI will change the world in ways you cannot even fathom. Barely a few years ago we had no idea it would be able to produce art

>>6425453
Yeah okay and you missed the first point which was the basis of everything just to bring out your points to defend ai. My fucking sides I can’t be bothered if you can’t even fucking read a paragraph Jesus the nerve of ai bros you can go fuck right off to ai Twitter as well bud

>>6425475
Your first fucking post is just flat out wrong.
It's not "akin to tracing" (and even professional artists trace, it's only retarded twitter artists that think it's a sin) it's creating entirely new images based on the training data.

The result is the only thing that matters when it comes to copyright.

>>6425488
No, all artists know that tracing is fraud. If you don't feel that conviction, then you lack an artist's sensibilities and that will be obvious in everything you do.

>>6425507
it's only fraud if you get caught ;)

>>6425508
>If you don't feel that conviction, then you lack an artist's sensibilities and that will be obvious in everything you do.
Don't take my word for it, then.

>>6425507
Nearly every artist traced to git gud. That is the reason most artists (including those here) give vague advice. If not tracing then copying their own favorite artists over and over. It's unironically the fastest way to improve. Just make sure you do it for practice purposes and not finished, posted work like a dumbass.

>>6425516
>Just make sure you do it for practice purposes and not finished, posted work like a dumbass.
Exactly. Passing off traced work as your own is fraud.

>>6424001
> neck yourself
Only when you do it first.

>>6425517
Except 3d

>>6425516
Artists don't trace to lean, what kind of delusional nonsense is this? You AI shills always expose yourselves as being non-artists with your clueless statements. Just fuck off.

>>6425516
>Nearly every artist traced to git gud.
eh, not true. copied,yes, but you don't really gain skill from tracing.

>>6425524
Yeah, well. Some of us sculpt our own models you know? lol

>>6425507
Only /beg/s think it's fraud. Pros trace 3d models and photos all the damn time.

>>6425516
correct

>>6425525
>>6425526
As a learning tool, tracing lets you feel the strokes of how another artist's lines go and forces you to deeply interact with their work in ways you may be blind to even with normal study. Making a complete, proper tracing takes just as if not longer than a normal sketch, but you get a lot of good insight from it.

Additionally, "inking" is just "tracing, but with better PR."

>>6425530
>Only /beg/s think it's fraud. Pros trace 3d models and photos all the damn time.
They're frauds. Did you think the art industry was a meritocracy? Grow up, anon.

It's a great time for artists to upskill into programming!
>better salary
>better hours
>better work life balance
>more creative freedom outside work

>>6425467
1998 was not barely a few years ago.

You are right though, those changes will all be really bad.

>>6425530
Imagine wasting your time tracing over someone else's lines thinking that you're "learning", holy shit.

>>6425533
crab mentality
I'm going to keep improving while you hamstring yourself with your anxiety about getting cancelled for drawing something that looks a little too close to some other art that you never even heard of.

>>6425542
Imagine not using every tool at your disposal to get better
Oh wait, that's the perma/beg/ mindset, easy to picture.

>>6425530
>As a learning tool, tracing lets you feel the strokes of how another artist's lines go and forces you to deeply interact with their work in ways you may be blind to even with normal study
Absolute bullshit. You don't draw.

>>6425537
>better hours
>better work life balance
lol

>>6425537
>boring as fuck
>outsourced to Pajeets
>unfulfilling
>uncreative

I create art to get away from my tech desk job.

>>6425488
> The result is the only thing that matters when it comes to copyright.

copyright is violated in the moment the training happens.

usually researchers have a license to train ML for academic purposes only, but they need to have permission to use all the licenses in the materials of the database if they are to use it for any other use that is not academic research.

Laion-5B started as academic research, and after receiving private funding got reproposed as a commercial product to train and deploy StableDiffusion, that database could NEVER be part of a commercial product ever.

they don't have the rights to alter the licenses of the original artworks they used for training, by releasing a model for free, while getting investor money.

the whole thing is a massive scam and IP laundering scheme.

>>6425530
>tracing lets you feel the strokes of another artist, forcing you to deeply interact with their work
Christ anon, you're really into this shit!

>>6425544
The word you're looking for is self respect. I'm already confident enough in my artistic skill to talk shit, hence my constant attacks of frauds such as yourself.

>>6425530
Are you legitimately stupid no wonder you shill AI like a retard. No fucking real artist that wants to get better traces, there's no point of it you're not learning anything. What is this braindead take about inking is tracing.

I know its a meme about AIbros being jealous about not being able to draw, but it seems like you're actually one of those regards kek

>>6424185
has been revealed a long time ago. it is called The Last Man. coined by ours truly Mr. Nietzsche.

>>6425547
Tracing isn't a tool to get better. You would know this if you were actually an artist.

>>6423319
>have you ever heard of the expression "selling out," where you sacrifice the personal expression and quality of your work, in favor of either mass production or ownership by another party?
Isn't that precisely what Sam was already doing pumping out the same dreamy pretty girl kitsch over and over?

>>6425559
You're right this is very much what Nietzsche was talking about.
Dostoevsky too, when he said:
>Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.

>>6425548
>>6425553
>>6425557
>>6425561
Was taught it by my instructor and it's useful. You guys are seriously retarded if you don't think it's helpful at all. I even do it quickly on some refs just to "feel how my lines should go" and make sure I am truly understanding my reference, especially if I get stuck/confused.

>>6425556
You can sit there worrying about making "authentic" art and giving yourself impostor syndrome, if you want, I'll be busy drawing and then cooming to my own art because I like what I make.

>>6425551
The training was data was made under fair use and none of the training data contains images, only data ABOUT images.
There's no copyright issue whatsoever with this.

That's probably why you got confused. Some types of ML databases likely contain the actual data, and if this did you'd have a point! But it doesn't, so you don't.

>>6425551
>scam
irrelevant opinion
>IP laundering scheme
sounds serious, maybe you can use RICO, get the Feds involved

>>6423067
>make community for craft/hobby
>people post their work for critique and upboats
>suddenly free AI demo is released
>some talentless retard shit out a bunch of low effort prompts in minutes
>spam community with manufactured bot art dozens at a time
>people point out the inconvenience
>"UHH YOU'RE LASHING OUT IRRATIONALLY MY ART IS JUST AS GOOD AS YOURS HURR COPE AI IS THE FUTURE"
The problem is equating AI output to art at all. If you're marketing a service using datasets that contain art obtained through questionable means, for use in something no one would have expected even their free art to be used for, then we need some measures in place. Either we kill free content (actual, human made content) for good, everything is behind paywalls now and cloud hosting browsers remove the Save as button.
Or we have separate AI communities, with separate AI tags, and openly available data set usage.

Anyone who fails to see the dilemma we're at here is just looking for e-drama. There are real concrete implications here for intellectual property laws.

>>6422663
>arstation dead
>because of AI
most pros just copy paste photos and stock images and use photoshop content aware features to blend them together

>>6425573
you are not learning, you are just producing pictures. it is not a good tool for learning.

>>6425589
human scamming is better than machine scamming

>>6425585
The low-effort AI spam is legitimately the same as if (in a weird hypothetical scenario) a lot of people started posting shitty blurry out of focus DSLR photos or pencil-on-lined-paper-with-crayon drawings. Because it's new and novel and *fresh* and the amount of people doing it are rotating in and out constantly. So it seems endless, but it should mellow out after a while. There's still almost no resources for these people to reference on how to improve their craft at all, but I have seen a few start to develop better outputs and even better taste as they get bored with their basic generations.

But you can't really segregate things since some illustrators and painters can and will blend AI generated elements into portions of their work for various reasons, and then it gets really messy as to how things should/should not be tagged.

>>6425590
I'm producing better and better pictures each time I draw. I'm pretty sure that counts as learning!

You should try to enjoy drawing, be less bitter.

>>6425585
>Or we have separate AI communities
Nah, I;m not moving.
Make me ;)

Transwomen are women.
Ai art is art.

>There are real concrete implications here for intellectual property laws.
Only implications is you seething in your room, not drawing. Just between replying to your post, I just made ~100 images, batch render.
Take it to court and see if any galleries are left standing by the time anything is settled.

>>6425537
Why go into an industry that's about to be kill unironically?

>>6423996
>>steal art from artists
>Referencing with extra steps is not stealing even if automated.
>Don't even try to argue this, please.
lol stopped reading there the whole post must be bait
even google didn't do this back when it started, any website could opt out of their search crawler with a robot.txt file

There is an implicit social contract when it comes to artists putting out their content (as far as others viewing/sharing/taking inspiration from/studying/etc), and on the negative end all the scummy behavior like tracing and ripping off has never been a big enough problem to not take on in a case by case basis and tolerate because the greater good outweighs the scummy stuff.

The difference between that social contract and this AI image generation is immense. There is no greater good, many have already speculated the fallout of AI trash flooding out authentic art. Even though the "cat is out of the bag" in some ways, I would hope that legislation comes down the pipeline preventing scraped-data models from being commercially used. This wont stop small/solo operations from fraudulently using the software that's out there but at least medium and large studios would be held accountable (if you ask "how" look at how software piracy is handled).

>>6425600
you'll last longer than being an artist

>>6425603
>implicit social contract
not legally binding, sorry

I agree with you, 2022 marks the end of certifiably natural human made art.
It is the glorious new beginning of something wonderful and monstrous.
Many future people will regret we don't destroy all machine ai right now before it's too late.
It probably already is.

>>6425597
post limits dumbass, and banned if you spam stuff on any other site that actual have moderation thats isn't here cause our mods are useless

>>6425549
I'm sorry you don't feel that way. I literally play video games and draw after finishing my work in less than 4 hours.

>>6425610
If you think AI-generated images will completely kill conventional digital art, you're retarded. Digital art didn't completely kill traditional art, neither did photography or any other technology. AI image generation will just become its own category of art, and get rid of some industry jobs.

>>6425596
Is your improvement from tracing though? If you are doing non-traced drawing too, the improvement is from that. your improvement is stifled, but you don't see it, because the non traced drawing is still helping you improve.

>>6425636
Bro, 2022 is just the beginning.
You think this will stop here?

>>6425603
>There is an implicit social contract
The implicit social contract in my social circles is different from yours. In mine anything is fine to reuse and credit is a courtesy not a mandate. Remixing and reblending anything is 100% fine and cool and it doesn't matter how you do it. But if you try to tell someone they can't use your shit because you don't like they way they want to use it, you'll get laughed at like a karen for your hypocrisy.

What you're realizing is that there's no unified "artist subculture" but a bunch of different ones and now 2 are fighting for dominance.
None of the actual details of copyright, fair use, money or jobs matter because this isn't actually about any of that. It's purely a struggle between social contracts.
Ahhh memetics rears its head once more.

>>6425638
Both! I've improved from pure tracing exercises, and I've improved from tracing refs to get their feel before doing my actual drawing (not using the tracings). One time I just traced shit for a week and saw marked improvement.

>>6425636
Why are you taking obvious bait?

>>6425642
>One time I just traced shit for a week and saw marked improvement.
No imagine if you had done copies of all those images you traced instead, compared your copies and noted what was off. you would have improved more. Tracing is worse. you know it.

>>6425642
>In mine anything is fine to reuse and credit is a courtesy not a mandate
What field of art is this?

>>6423961
You forgot the part where companies step in and start running their own AI generators

>>6425647
Nope, you're just retarded. Tracing forces you to deeply observe an image in its details. Shit you miss, you have to feel how to actually get a specific curve, not just "copy how the curve looks." Practicing line accuracy is a good thing and tracing lets you feel how other artists' linework goes. A lot of the stupid "How did he do this?" posts can be answerd by just tracing the art.

>>6425651
Not a "field" just a subculture. Like, memes and art are literally the same shit to people like me and the people I associate with. We'll just do whatever. It's very freeing and relaxed.

>>6425688
>Nope, you're just retarded.
Please keep tracing.

>>6425696
Doing studies and doing tracings train different skills. You'd understand this if you weren't retarded.

>>6425701
By all means, keep tracing then lmao

>>6425701
Could a retard do this?

>>6424185
Humanity lost the moment people collectively accepted the narrative that gatekeeping is a bad thing.

>>6425642
well anon that may be true in already close communities but the thing most will still recommend always putting credit it if your dealing any companies or CP. I mean look at Youtube when its comes to trying to use any possible CP or edits or how Nintendo tried to fuck over its fans even when they did non profit stuff
Its one of those things at time where its better to have some form of it then to deal with people. Or have a general place where you know for sure people don't care like royalty free stuff. Marketing wise people tend to be less defensive about their stuff if they know people aren't going to try to abuse their trust
>a lot of companies and people at times are karens but do remember some of them do be care in with their lawyers

>>6425705
wrong pic

>>6425709
>most will still rec
I don't care
I will use what I will and if someone gets mad that's their problem.

>>6425710
Yes, a retard could.

>>6425714
alright, I mean have you ever tried to use that way of thinking with youtube or other companies

>>6425717
are you a tourist?

>>6425714
even then you could claim not needing one doesn't change the fact some places can take it down or issue a cease and desist. It's more less bad advice to tell people they can ignore it
you could prob even a bunch videos of it and see shit like reaction stuff being "transformative" and someone does literally nothing on screen

>>6425718
Why the fuck would I need to?

>>6425728
4chan is 18+ ONLY

>>6425733
have ever posted or made anything outside of 4chan my guy

>>6425740
Of course I have, your incoherent posts don't make sense though.
Like why would I be dealing with companies? Why the fuck even bring up youtube or reaction videos?

>>6425744
If you had been far even as decided to use youtube, you would understand.

>>6425777
funni monkey

>>6425777
alright anon sure but here's some youtube artists I like watching from time to time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvojrXpY3f8&t=277s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGcDU4esUY

>>6425635
so you don't have a full time job as a programmer
and apparently not as an artist either
so why do you even talk about "work life balance"

>>6425581
> fair use

learn the legal threshold for fair use, AI generators fail at every single one of the four, specially the last one.

> the effects of the parodied work on the potential market
AI generation acts as a substitute of the works it samples from, it's not like a google search where the data is used but there is a link pointing to the original piece, that's the biggest difference, this by itself voids the claims of fair use.

>>6425816
Wendigoon is the average /x/ browser, he isnt even close to being an artist, wtf are you posting here?

>>6426089
IDK anon you tell me, when I mention about what is considered "transformative" according to how Youtube as a company see using CP at times based on their algorithm
and you keep telling people you want to be grateful that your trying to add more retarded algorithms in even more stuff
>you dumbass want to have everything be like call center redirecting people in circles just to actually reach a person

>>6425991
It succeeds at all of them because copyright is about SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL works you retard. Not "competiing with your body of work", competing with a specific one.

Copyright isn't to prevent someone else from being "a better van gogh", it's to prevent you from just duplicating Starry Night. (Obv that's public domain, but an easy example.)

You have to point to which of your works is being infringed, and then point to the specific AI-generated image that's infringing, and then explain to a court how a random ass AI art that looks nothing like yours is "damaging your art's market potential"

AI art is art
Seethe and cope all you want, it won't change the facts

>>6426196
you don't need to point out the similarities, just need to point of that no consent was given to train commercial ML models on copyrighted data.

all machine learning needs to be done on curated, extremelly regulated and sourced data, that's how microsoft does their ML research, everything is licensed, everything is bought legally, everything has a permission for copying and distributing, the only loophole is that when you do the research for academic research, when the model would have never be made public because of issues in the licenses of distribution.

using a model trained for non-profit academic research in a commercial product is a massive violation.

this point is so fucking moot, so ridiculous to even debate, that even StabilityAI agrees to this, to the point that even DanceDiffusion doesn't dares using copyrighted data to train their music AI instead of how they do with artworks, they know labels would fuck their asshole dry in courts.

>>6424937
I remember once upon a time in which people had personal websites or profiles on small sites, and these people would have a page for listing all their friends, associates, and other useful things. An actual friends list, with either urls or other tags to reach out to these people.
It would be hard to do now with how vile and flippant and self absorbed people can be, but I kind of miss networking on the internet the old-fashion way.

>>6423137
I respect perma/beg/s because they keep drawing.

>>6423734
I actually agree with you. The art most people like is just highly-polished and skilled garbage. An anime girl with fat tits drawn in the most precise possible way and with perfect rendering is still a big nothing. I wanna see people draw their feelings, not "HD bitchtits". All this bugman "art" will get wiped out and the only remaining human-art will be like your pic related. I'm looking forward to it.

>>6423019
>i think maybe we stop posting our new work online all together?
for the past several years I'd quit art as a venue and I just posted art anonymously here and there on imageboards for fun but at this point everyone is just spamming AI art everywhere. It's pretty insane. It used to be that you drew a thing and then some coomer drew a big ass 20 seconds sketch and people would immediately suck his dick and ignored whatever you'd made, now even the coomers are getting pushed out lol
the only positive aspect is that if you don't draw porn/fanart nothing has changed. nobody gives a fucking shit
I'm just drawing in my sketchbooks now, it's literally not worth taking the time to upload shit anywhere anymore. even without AI all it takes in any community is a local cumbrain drawing thiccshit and you're automatically nonexistent
at least I enjoy drawing for myself and myself alone, after people told me to "stop seeking attention" so when I said how pathetic it is that everyone's just after porn and the week's fandom I'm finally OK with art being a completely private matter. I'll burn my work one day though, if I can't have it then nobody should have it. It's probably all going in a dumpster anyway but I don't wanna risk it. I want to leave as room as possible to all the futashit and spread open assholes that people love so much

>>6427381
>I wanna see people draw their feelings
Their feelings is that it's not worth it to invest their times and efforts to please you.

>>6422669
Pretty sure you suck.