/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

It's a parasocial relationship. Your followers buy your art because they like (you). I recommend you start twitch streaming and make an onlyfans, if you're a cute girl.

>>6420137
Thats terrible, the only way to make money with comms its if people want to be your friend???
I am never going to make it

>>6420117
>I don't quite understand what motivates people to spend 250$ on INSERT SOMETHING HERE.

Take a class on Business, just the introductory course is enough for you OP. Here's a hint:

>Supply & Demand

>>6420146
That makes no sense, there's already and endless supply of artists making Commisions
How'd that ever explain something psychological??
You must be more autistic than I am

>>6420117
Do people really spend $250 on a furry OC? I can’t imagine they do it very often if so. I don’t relate to art consumers either, I’d much rather make than buy. Honestly, I’m not convinced they exist in any large numbers. It seems that friends buy each other’s work out of politeness/support, and occasionally a grandma buys something from the local art fair out of community support, but other than that, who is actively commissioning art?

>>6420117
right? same for me. i've never felt compelled to commission another artist, ever. in my head, it's always been i'll draw what i want and i'll improve so that i'm as good and better than the rest.

>>6420149
>That makes no sense, there's already and endless supply of artists making Commisions

>The demand for degenerate furry art is way bigger than its supply

Furries want custom made art, something unique, and personal, artesanal even.
Not generic garbage mass produced for the masses.
So you end up with millions of furfags with disposable money because they make bank from their tech job, and a few thousand artists that draw hardcore gay furry porn.

>How'd that ever explain something psychological??

Furfags are autistic, and closeted zoophiles. Disney mindbroke, and groomed them from birth

>You must be more autistic than I am

Nope, you're the only autistic here than can't get into the basics of Business.

>OP unironically NGMI

>>6420117
Maybe the person wants fanart in a specific art style. I don't commission people either but I would think perhaps to some people they just don't care enough to think about justifying buying art or not or spend money freely. Some people also enjoy splurging on money, I know people who love to buy useless things just to own them and if they are rich they probably don't care spending a hundred on a drawing of something they like. My sister spends money on art, and I usually ask her why would she when she can draw her own characters and she just tells me "why not?"

>>6420158
Bro, I've seen 750$ Comms before for Furry stuff
and yes, they do sell
The people who buy them are fucking bizarre, I met twoand its basically this weird ass american accountant that likes to wear a degen puppy mask and hide inside a dog cage he made himself in his own bedroom. Has a room full of guns, and gimp suits.
The second one is someone who claims to be a Drone Pilot for the US AIr Force, has no friends, lives alone, and likes to fuck horses in his spare time.

I can't relate to these people at all.

>>6420169
You are giving me shallow, obvious and circular logic answers.
''They want the art cause they want the art'' its a non-answer. I want to understand what kind of emotions are leading someone to think spending 250$ on a furry OC is something fullfilling in life.
Is it a social status thing?
Do they really want to be that OC that badly?
Do they think their ideas are that good?
Why would being groomed lead to them buying OC art?


What'd it take for you and I to end up in their shoes?

>>6420117
Why do you buy premade pizza or have someone else make pizza for you when you can make your own?

>>6420117
I buy music, because while I enjoy listening to music and want to support those who create it, I have no desire to compose and I quit playing an instrument immediately after finishing high school. Basically, just think of some form of media which you enjoy but have no desire to create, then you can better understand why somebody would pay you for art.

>>6420205
I do make my own tho, I love cooking

People pay because they can't make it by themselves.
If you could simply summon a burger in your hand, would you ever order a burger?

The reason you don't see yourself buying art is because you don't think there is anyone supplying what you need.
You either have a very specific vision of how things should be, and won't trust anybody else to reach that look for you, OR you enjoy solving the problem and creating the art more than you enjoy the result.

But not your customers, they want the picture and they don't want/can't invest all the hours necessary to actually get good at it.

I for one enjoy getting fanart or even doing art trades, but dislike the idea of buying, because for me art of my characters is either something personal, which I know best how to do, or something emotional, that a friend/fan should create out of his own volition, not as a job.

>>6420117
>>6420186
People also spend this much (or more) on fetish art of their waifus/OCs.

As someone who has bought comms in the past, part of it was "giving back" (by tipping the artist WAY MORE than he asked) as a thanks for the good content over the years, and to keep producing more. And part of it is that niche tastes are niche tastes. Being able to coom to 1 commission for months or even years is very worthwhile. Plus there's just the excitement of getting to see your character in a favorite artist's style.

Of course now I get a comm maybe once a year, if that. I draw my own stuff and do trades/gift art back and forth with people for the most part now.

>>6420143
Not necessarily "your friend" but they have to like your art and personality enough to want to reach out in the first place. Commission work is a very social job so you have to be welcoming to people. It's not for introverts.

>>6420219
I should add that I only get comms rarely because I'm poor and more responsible with my money now. Not because "I can do it myself so why bother?"

>>6420219
>>6420209
>>6420207
>>6420176
Thanks for the insights so far

>>6420117
In short, because art makes us feel things by connecting us with our own experiences through the art piece itself.

Recently I found a box of old Loony Tunes baseball cards with unique baseball themed cartoon drawings of Bugs Bunny throwing pitches, Marvin the Martian at bat, etc. I fell in love. The illustrations were lively and it felt like I was watching the old cartoons again.

Art makes people FEEL. It does things to them. It makes them feel things they don’t normally get to feel. I recently saw a professional photo someone posted here on IC of a young woman (picrel) who had an expression on her face like she had just lost a loved one and I immediately felt melancholy flood my whole being. I then wanted that piece hanging in my house, because of how it made me feel inside.

This is what beautiful things do to people. They take us to familiar places that we dont usually get to go to on our own. It typically isn’t without seeing the beautiful thing (art) that will then serve as a vehicle or portal to that familiar experience that we have inside of us - a place we want to visit again and again.

Perhaps you just haven’t experienced this yet. Perhaps you need to grow a bit older to appreciate the link between art and lived experience. It really is something special, and very different from creating your own art. The piece of art feels valuable, you want it, it means something to you to have it and to be able to see it everyday.

>>6420117
none of you get it and i would explain why but if you don't then i (we) don't want you to. gatekeeping does itself sometimes.

>>6420117
>I'm a cook, why would I ever pay for a restaurant when I could cook for free at home?

This is how you sound op

>>6420117
i also draw and definitely see the appeal. i'd pay to see a different artist's take on a certain theme, idea, or even just a character i made if i like their style.
not sure what you mean with the superiority thing. some people just have cool drawing styles that can appeal even to other artists.

>>6420186
>''They want the art cause they want the art'' its a non-answer
people buy product because they want the product. that's a perfectly fine answer. they have stuff they want turned into an image and they want someone else to paint it. are you having a hard time grasping the basic concept of exchanging money for services?

>>6420313
I agree, but when you take into account how many of these commissioned pieces are smut it sounds a bit silly. It's literally just fap fodder.

>>6420117
i imagine chefs and mechanics feel the same way.
people buy prebuilt pcs, they pay to get their skis tuned and their tires changed. all of these are fundamentally simple tasks that take a day at most to learn and yet they are still sold at a premium because most people either simply lack the skills or cannot be assed to do it themselves.

>>6420313
>Art makes people FEEL. It does things to them. It makes them feel things they don’t normally get to feel. I recently saw a professional photo someone posted here on IC of a young woman (picrel) who had an expression on her face like she had just lost a loved one and I immediately felt melancholy flood my whole being. I then wanted that piece hanging in my house, because of how it made me feel inside.
Then whats wrong with me, why don't I feel those things? I only ever feel things if I am deep lost in thought coming up with ideas or discovering pretty shapes in my mind
I can't remember the last time I looked at a piece of art and it made me feel something
Is there something wrong with me?

>>6420390
>are you having a hard time grasping the basic concept of exchanging money for services?
No, but you are struggling to understand I am looking for a deeper answer than ''Business''
I want a genuine look into the whole emotional script that leads someone to do said action, and so far some of the answers here have helped quite a bit

>>6420117
I understand you, I don't feel superior buy I don't think I'd comission anything anytime soon.
If I want to see something, I create it myself.

>>6420209
>People pay because they can't make it by themselves.
Now they can, yet they still pay for comissions. What gives?

>>6424202
Exactly, I've seen the same people in Discord servers that introduce everyone to AI, and even shared their own prompts, still go out of their way to pay someone 150$ for a comm of their OC...

AI art is seem as.. a gag? like an instagram filter, its not being valued in the same way as actual artist products, even if the AI makes more realistic drawings. Its pretty odd.
There's clearly a lot more to comissioning than just business, which is why I am so incessant on digging deeper into the emotional reasons behind it.

>>6424202
It's because of "soul." Yes, this sounds weird when you apply it to things like furry porn, but humans feel that there is value in having another person think about what you told them and realize that idea in their own unique way - even if an AI can do it faster or prettier.

>>6424217
Yes, I think its related to meaning and the religious experience in a way. Seeing your thoughts and ideas brought to life by an artist, in a way is like bringing someone an assortment of patterns and abstract ideas you've gathered on your journey through life, and have them find the aesthetic, deeper truths in them. Its a mapping out of the unknown, it seems like.

I am not convinced AI in its current state could achieve such a deep bond with people

>>6420117
some people consider drawing to be how you or I consider cooking. You don't make your own pizzas every day, do you? So you pay someone else to do it better. That's all.

as artists you probably dont feel anything when you see your art, you might even hate it, but other people are moved by it.

>>6421009
it's nothing deep, they just usually want someone to draw an idea they have. sometimes, they want a specific persons' style that they can't replicate (and even if you can replicate the style, many want to see how this artist would tackle this idea in their unique vision), sometimes they just want something visualized by someone with better or different design decisions or more grasp on fundies or whatever.

>>6424275
If that was true, then why aren't they using AI art?

>>6424310
machine learning has no idea what it is doing and cannot make proper design choices. artists can because they think. "which perspective/pose/color scheme/light situation/environment works best to communicate this idea? how would this character behave/feel in such a situation?" ML cannot tell, it just randomly outputs visual noise.

not to mention it sucks at actually depicting characters faithfully, and that is what most people want in the end.

>>6424310
Because while AI art can convincingly copy styles and looks nice, its doesn't have any other unique human input (the "hidden spice/secret ingredient"). Art is more than just pretty pictures.

>>6424310
and again your question does not really go against anything what i said, if it's wanting to see a specific artist's take on an image, ml is not gonna cut it. style alone is not the only thing what an artist brings to a work, it's also choosing what exactly to draw, what to exaggerate, what to show and in which way, etc....

>>6424352
>Art is more than just pretty pictures.
The more I learn about different disciplines, the more I relate to Hitler
>Flashback to Saffadi, Jewish concept artist that runs Pixel Brush
>In his art lessons he tells you art is literally just pretty pictures, there is no meaning or anything beyond a vomit of beautiful shit for beautys sake
>Correlate that Jewish Californian mindset with the current state of Art and media in games and television


It is becoming increasingly difficult to detach race and tribe from specific societal outcomes, bruhs. I hope someone can point me to a Jew opposing the patterns I keep seeing. So I can detach myself from this path.

>>6424205
Yep. This is 100% correct.

Some people have claimed that they get less comms now but that's because they're either new or they weren't tracking their finances properly (which the tax man will LOVE TO SEE.)

This happens every year.

There's a dip in the commission market purely because it's fucking december and most people in western countries, and some eastern ones (the ones that generally matter for comms) have financial commitments due to the holiday season. Gifts, flights, feast hostings, weather preparation, decorating, and so on.

Ironically woodworkers and other craftspeople are most busy during the months leadup to christmas because their work is giftable. But OC/Waifu comms are luxuries for the self, barring the tiny segment who gift each other commissioned art.

>>6424274
>as artists you probably dont feel anything when you see your art
I love my own art. Why the fuck are so many of you guys such sad sacks of shit? goddamn

>>6424310
In a lot of cases they like THE ARTIST. Or at least the "idea of the artist" they have from the limited online interaction. They like not simply the artist's skills, but the way the artist interprets things as evidenced over the body of their work.

>>6424368
"art" is pretty pictures
"an artist's total of their work" has connections and things you can start to notice across those pictures. What elements are focused on? What choices are made more often than not? How are his palettes done, are they varied widely or does he stick in a general range?

Artists are singular monopolies.
There's a thing called the "Jiro Dreams of Sushi Paradox."
A newcomer that imitates the original will still be considered inferior, until it's twice as good. But then it would be only seen as equals, never exceeding the original.

Even if your fundies aren't perfect, if you are far from being "a master", fans of YOUR ART will still love YOUR art and imitators can never exceed you. Go Nagai is an easy example.

>>6424368
average racist meltdown when people point out artists put intention in their images and not just do random shit
who cares what some guy told you in some course

>>6424376
Great explanation! In a way, artists and their work are living brands. If you really want, you can get a cheap Gucci bag-lookalike everywhere now. Yet people still buy "real" Gucci bags and other brand products, even though the difference in quality and materials used is often minimal. It's a similar deal with OG art created by a human artist and AI imitations of it.

There's a layer of unhealthy parasocial relationships and autism but when you get wealthier you stop caring about certain amounts of money as you're able to buy more expensive stuff without having to worry about your finances for six months.

A few years ago I was poor as fuck and had to carefully consider any sort of expense, but these days I'm making 50k a year, and while I don't go out of my way to spend it on dumb shit, anything cheaper than a couple hundred becomes something I could just get on a whim without giving a fuck, the same way you'd buy a pack of gum at the supermarket or spend 10$ on some random video game on sale.

250$ may be a lot for most people but for a sizeable part of the middle class it's just pocket change they'd spend in one night out, to them it's practically free.

>>6424394
>parasocial relationships
it's not a relationship, parasocial or not, to just like an artists style and want to see their take (with their personal knowledge/experiences) on something, and paying for a hand-drawn product.
just because artists aren't intercheable doesn't make them a brand you have relationships with...

>>6424394
>parasocial relationships
it's not a relationship, parasocial or not, to just like an artists style and want to see their take (with their personal knowledge/experiences) on something, and paying for a hand-drawn product.
just because artists aren't interchangeable doesn't make them a brand you have relationships with...
preferring a mcdonalds burger over a "mcdonalds style burger" from some seedy pop up food stall in your street is just knowing it's still going to taste different. you don't need a "relationship with mcdonalds" for that lol

>>6420117
There are two types of degenerates.
Those who would spend money to get furry porn.
And those who would spend time to learn to draw furry porn.
You're the second one.

>>6424438
''Let him who is free of sins, throw the first stone''

>>6420718
Coomishions are a different story. People buy those because they want a specific fetish illustrated and perhaps it doesn’t exist the way they want it to.

>>6421008
Nothing is wrong with you. I rarely feel something for art, it happens every once in a blue moon (picrel is another). Mostly I’m like you, I feel deeply what I express in shapes, colors and ideas. You convey your feelings through your art. That’s actually pretty difficult for a lot of artists and it took me years to reconnect with what I love to be able to express my emotions through comics.

Wouldn’t worry about it anon. One day you’ll be walking along and some piece of art, photography, maybe claymation will hit you right in the feels and pull you in. It just takes the right thing at the right time to resonate but It’ll happen.

>>6420117
>I am an artist
Are you, AI tranny subreddit demoralizer? Not subbing to your overpriced image scrapers.

>>6424548
>Nothing is wrong with you. I rarely feel something for art, it happens every once in a blue moon (picrel is another). Mostly I’m like you, I feel deeply what I express in shapes, colors and ideas. You convey your feelings through your art. That’s actually pretty difficult for a lot of artists and it took me years to reconnect with what I love to be able to express my emotions through comics.
>Wouldn’t worry about it anon. One day you’ll be walking along and some piece of art, photography, maybe claymation will hit you right in the feels and pull you in. It just takes the right thing at the right time to resonate but It’ll happen.

Thanks friend, I appreciate your words

>>6420117

Who cares what you do or think.

1/10

>>6424605
Likewise

>>6424202
>Now they can
Clearly you understand nothing about drawing. Go back >>>/g/

>>6425421
Say I want to see Geroge Floyd suffocating in a sinking submarine. What exactly other than my AyyMD gpu prevents me from putting this into prompt and getting a rought representation of what I want? Rough now, in a year's time it will be nearly perfect with no artifacts. How will it be any different from paying an artist then, if the goal is to see the picture and I couldn care less about sovl?
inb4
>but muh sovl
1. This is not what I really think
2. For that example consider me a normie, that would mean 95% of people on this planet couldnt care less about it neither.

>>6425875
>Normies
>Hating on George Floyd

>>6425876
Me and my imaginary friend beat it off to guro that doesnt mean we hate anime, does it? Retard logic

>>6425878
>Normie
>Beats it off to guro
You are as far away from a normie as anyone can be

>>6425881
I was joking Im not mentally ill retard stop

>>6425875
Did you really have to type all that just to agree with my post, anon?
>>>/g/

>>6425881
>implying normies don't jerk off to car accidents, cartel executions and isis propaganda vids

>>6420117
I can see myself commissioning someone who's personality I like. Like encouraging a fellow artbro