/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I thought ArtStation was supposed to be for people in the industry and not just any rando who wants to upload their art. Keeping it for pros only would have avoided a lot of this drama because even if someone did upload some AI stuff it would at least be of some quality and they would have had the self control to not to flood 100 generic images a day.

>>6416955
Well, the ai torrent spam needs to be contained somewhere, might as well be AS. Maybe they'll fire up an NFT widget too.

>>6416986
Kek that's the reason why I never made one, I legit thought it was a gay industry networking type website. Little did I know it was basically deviantart 2.0

>>6416955
How did Artstation become the main portfolio website anyways? CGHub, Drawcrowd, forgot what the fuck else there was but there was a lot somehow all managed to die off.

>>6416955
Based. Glad they're not caving into whiney, entitled, twitter trannies.

>>6417002
Yea, the hell?
This is kind of eye opening for me but for all the wrong reasons.

>>6416955
Why are twitter trannies so obsessed with getting likes? Every other reply or quote to this tweet is some mouthbreather saying ratio, not one original thought or take on that hellsite.

>>6417015
You looking for a real answer? The main culprit is a tiny character limitation.

>>6417010
And instead they bend over for silicon valley trannies. What a win!

>>6417019
Fuck no. If you need more than 240 characters to explain your thought, I'm not gonna read that shit.

>>6417002
The jannies there want easy job and police loli contents, they don't want to ban AI for 8 hours constantly like what they supposedly to do

>>6417015
I'm siding with artists on this mess, but I have to agree with you on that, "ratio culture" is one of the most cancer trends ever, just because you get more likes than someone does not inherently mean your post is more valuable or your criticism is more valid, than theirs.

>Get mad that a machine produces SOLVless work (better and faster than you)
>I know! lets spam up an art hosting site with endless AI that'll show these mean AI people
>Act surprised when said art host tells you to fuck off after spamming

artists can't be this fucking stupid can they? Or is it copium and seeth on levels that cannot be measured?

>>6417021
>yes goy, you don't need to put your thoughts into coherent sentences, 240 characters is plenty

>>6417002
Is there any good art platform left?

>>6417032
desu seems like the ones who will be coping and seething are the shareholders when website traffic inevitably tanks after people simply delete their accounts

>>6417032
anon i dont think you know how a protest works

>>6417035
furaffinity but that's only because artists are literally the cornerstone of the furry community and they know it
shocking that art sites don't think the same way about artists being important to art communities

>>6417035
You're on it. ;^)

>>6417024
ngmi with that attitude. if you don't have a social media presence and a twitter high upvote ratio you pretty much should just quit right now. You wont even crack the algorithm surface.

>>6417032
Aifags are by definition invasive parasites.

>>6417033
>ESL faggots complaining about the 240 character limit
Get fucked.

>>6417032
>act surprised
Surprised about what? Artists have accomplished their goal. You've never heard of some corporation fucking themselves by responding to bad criticism poorly? Are you 12 years old?

Guess it's my job as a member of the pseudo free market to get started on a AI free site.

i'm surprised that art station reacted this way. the entire front page is littered with "no AI" protest images. art station started off as invite-only, and it had that air of exclusivity kind of thing going for them. i guess they realized it wasn't as profitable as garnering /beg/lets to buy their tutorials or whatever.

i expect the pros to start leaving the website and letting the AI spam take over which would lead to the death of artstation, coupled with some coom stuff here and there.

people don't use art station as a portfolio anyways, there are better options where your portfolio can be locked for sensitive projects. it was more of a higher quality deviant art.

>>6417035
Actually, Newgrounds is based, they said fuck off to techies.

>>6416955
>steal the best ai artowork from all art websites, including artstation
>go to artstation
>post all the ai work as if they were my own ai generations
>i now have the best ai art page
>i am the best ai artist and i didn't have to do a single prompt
>no one can tell me that these pieces of art not my own. ai is fair ground.
this is the best move to make at this point. cash in on this opportunity before other people catch on. eventually the ai bubble will burst people the proompters realize they don't get to claim their work as their own

>>6417052
So many websites fuck themselves through bad PR, you'd think webdevs would be cumming in their pants at all the opportunity.

>>6417054
It's strange how Newgrounds manages to continue to be based. I remember after the Tumblr porn ban they basically told everyone to come on in.

>>6417055
Even better, open up a redbubble and start selling other people's AI stuff. Remember copyright is outdated and stealing is just being inspired!

>>6416996
true, sorry artstation, maybe someone will make a new website

>>6417052
>>6417056
The real galaxy brain move would be to have multiple websites on opposing sides of the argument. You make everyone happy and make all the potential profits.

>>6417037
>shareholders
Who owns this site, again?

>>6417061
I'm pretty sure epic games

ITT;
>the average /ic/unt finally learns the reality of business and how much of a fuck companies give about their feefees... or will they just blame another boogeyman? or shoot the messenger? Find out.

>>6417057
I think they're the only image hosting site that has a firm stance against AI, I don't know why there isn't a big rush with everyone joining, but maybe now there will be.

>>6417032
Ai fags keep coping while reaching new heights of retardation!

>>6417067
>learns the reality of business
not a great business move to flip off 90+% of your userbase. the best move would be the silent treatment. It would only be smart if the small group of people you're catering to gives you enough money to at least split the difference.

>>6417067
>company biting the hand that feeds them
This is equivalent to killing yourself, there's a reason why deviantart backpedaled way the fuck back. At this point, Artstation will just become AIstation.

>>6417023
They're supposed to do both: delete AI "art" and loli shit, Mr ESL-kun.

Art sisters...we LOST

>>6417075
>there's a reason why deviantart backpedaled way the fuck back
It didn't. The front page is full of AI slop making the site unusable

>>6417032
Imagine being a highly reputable artist and one day you have your entire portfolio shoved into a program that uses your skills honed through
years to regurgitate shit that low effort niggers can use to become "artists" themselves, or go full coomer using your style and skill as part of their mass produced loli shit.
Then the so called "deviantart 2.0 for pros" literally tells you that those low effort cunts are more than welcome to start their galleries there.
Artstation can go get fucked. Even the fucking furries have better standards.

>>6417080
They stopped automatically opting-in everyone's work.

>>6417054
They allow it but it has be a derivative work of your own at a certain level, i.e a drawing you made and then out painted or put into img2img for example. In fairness if that should be standard for "human made art" to what degree is a good question.
>>6417061
>shareholders
Also known as hedge funds
>>6417046
>>6417072
The prompting will continue until morale improves.

>>6417074
>>6417075
>90% of the non-paying userbase who only waste space
If anything they got rid of all the ones who weren't going to cut it anyway

I said it many times at the beginning of this but AI is going to get professionally used and AiStation is showing everyone that by siding with companies.
Do you think that if a bunch of non-professional 14 year old artists drawing furry porn complaining about anything will suddenly make companies pay """real artists""" 10k for a drawing a kid could make?

Profit doesn't care about moral values and companies love profit.

>>6417081
You're telling an aitard to imagine something, it's literally impossible for them to.

>>6417089
LOL!

>>6417087
>AiStation is showing everyone that by siding with companies.
they're siding with crypto cultists because their top 1%ers are living like saudi kings from overnight success. Entertainment corpos like disney or nintendo are not in fact approving of AI and industry insiders are currently smug about this whole thing so there's currently something going on behind the scenes we probably won't know about for a while.

This shit's idiotic. AIfags are the nu trannies, desperate for validation. I don't understand why techbros aren't making a site for themselves, AI barely gets any traction in actual art sites anymore due to spam and general lack of regard towards prompters. This will also only lead to AI slop training on other AI slop.

The week Pixiv allowed AI had seen a 10k image spam filled with cp and links to actual pizza. The writing is on the wall here. There is no chance Artstation jannies can handle this much traction.

If you believe so much in AI art, then give it it's own platform, separate from ours. It's that simple.

It's funny how actual artists that are certainly better than 100% are fighting against AI while /ic/ just crabs them. Goes to show the state of this board. Why are you even still here?

>>6417094
100% of /ic/*

>>6417093
Creating a new site is a huge risk because not only is it expensive and time consuming it also takes a ton of advertising and good faith to be able to lure people into it. That's why they've been doing the smart thing and making deals with well-known websites like deviantart.

It's impossible to ban a tech unless it's an universal agreement and we are really far from it. No matter how much I dislike the current "AI does it all" formula that everyone is using for final images, this tech will keep evolving and being devoped into other techs, not matter how much we try, it won't stop.

Here, look: https://twitter.com/_akhaliq/status/1602847875771269126

>>6417081
>>6417087
Trad artists don't give a shit, neither do graphic designers (ironically the design side of the house would be the first to be automated)

Also do you like my generated AI art work series? I want to call it artist punching his own identity or something along those line. It's supposed to represent the figurative and literal wall that artists are now facing in this modern age? Thoughts or critiques on the subject?

>tl;dr they told artists to go fuck themselves
Astounding lack of reading comprehension.
>and it looks like they'll keep allowing the plague of AI to continue infecting
Commercial art industry is the most likely to make use of AI because commercial art industry doesn't give a shit about artistic value, it's there to sell a product and make eye candy for the masses. Sorry that you had to find this out from a 4chan post.

>>6416986
>I thought ArtStation was supposed to be for people in the industry
Why would you think this?

>>6417002
>Little did I know it was basically deviantart 2.0
All art posting websites are deviantart, just with different skill floors.

Ban AI threads.

>>6417099
>Trad artists don't give a shit, neither do graphic designers
Graphic designers are shitting their pants about being replaced and trad artists never cared about digital anything

>>6417091
>disney or nintendo
Very bad example, Anon.
>industry insiders are currently smug about this whole thing so there's currently something going on behind the scenes we probably won't know about for a while.
Who is saying and what has been said?
In cases like this a vague statement is really not sufficient.

I've been always going off on my own regarding statements and predictions about AI, and i have been right every time.
I only see it getting more and more prevalent in a professional artists workflow and more widely accepted for being cost/time efficient.
Will it kill artists? No.
It will remain how it has always been; 1% of professional get all the gigs from big companies and the others live off scraps.

There are probably insane profits to be projected with the full commercial application of generated images, so this will never go away.
All in all, all the "protesting" anons are claiming to do, is useless since they're playing a losing game or this shit might as well be the AI trolls just false flagging to further the conflict.

The only real advice i can give is to literally stop giving a shit about AI and draw.
Art is a losing game, if you want to win, play by your own rules.

>>6417099
Seems like he is fighting and empty room/nothing. Doesn't really accomplish the meaning you intended for it.

>>6417101
>Why would you think this?
Because it used to be invite only before, then they opened it up to get more site traffic

>>6417102
True

>>6417093
>I don't understand why techbros aren't making a site for themselves
There are several, but ML people aren't precisely the best developers so they're not as polished as the established art websites or even just Twitter.

>>6417064
have they done anything successfully apart from fortnite?

>>6417108
>dribble but worse
The retarded shit you AItards post to seek validation is absurd

>>6417093
Pixiv allowing mass produced AI shit already got me with a foot out of the door, since most of it was some really creepy shit. I don't even draw smut, but a week later, three days after I posted a new artwork, an AIfag used it as basis to create his porn shit.
Not only that, the faggot wanted me to accept it as an image response and went on messaging me saying "how inspiring I am". Told the guy to fuck himself along with his crap, nigger had a meltdown saying that he was incredibly sad, etc.
Told him to get fucked again, wished him good luck trying to copy me and then I deleted my gallery for good.

>>6417101
>Commercial art industry is the most likely to make use of AI because commercial art industry doesn't give a shit about artistic value, it's there to sell a product and make eye candy for the masses.
So haw many years give or take will it be before normies become tired of being fed the same ol goyslop and we go back to tasteful and refined advertising?

>>6417111
??? The image was a direct response to:
>Graphic designers are shitting their pants about being replaced
The image is meant to show that they should be, just like artists. AI isn't an artitst's problem only.

>>6417097
>making deals with well-known website

Why would you want to make a fucking deal with deviantart? it's filled with sonic recolors, kid's art and fetish stuff, and it has been like that for more than a decade. It's a laughing stock.

>>6417099

My critique is that you're shit at prompting, and the message is badly conveyed. It gets a special kind of retard to mess that up, so congratulation. Also, it isn't as charming as the actual photos it copied from, so try harder next time.

>>6417112
This. They're desperate attention-whores, it's sad. I'm sorry that it happened to you anon, but keep drawing.

>>6417125
nta but that still has the same problems as any other AI art; it's completely fucking unintelligible and still needs an actual graphic designer to make sense of what goes where and by that point, they will probably have created something better from scratch. Designers are not just for visuals, but for interactions, mapping etc A developer cannot use those images as they are because they lack the extra elements that a designer has always been required to do.

>>6417125
Scared about what yet again another image that looks like shit?
I can tell that's also a mishmash of images from dribbble.
The problem with you retards is that you never did anything creative in your life ever, so you can't understand why other people tell you stuff.

>>6417111
Not who you quoted, but that certainly wasn't a pro AI post, I draw as a hobby, but I do design work for a living. I saw the original post from that image, many designers were angry and questioning the ethics here too.

>>6417132
>Why would you want to make a fucking deal with deviantart? it's filled with sonic recolors, kid's art and fetish stuff, and it has been like that for more than a decade. It's a laughing stock.
For the data? Data's worth its weight in gold. Why do you think everyone was automatically opted into the image generator?

>>6417112
We're headed back in the direction of paywalls for everything, art being shared through word of mouth within closed chat groups, and art being accessible for most through physical books. Ai niggers would need to contend with big publishing houses then.

I honestly don’t mind the last bit, I’ve always preferred seeing my favorite art in physical form.

>>6416955
Trad hobbyist Chad's win again.

>>6417035
You're on it now. 4chan is pretty decent

>>6417132
Not really the era I was trying to go for but w.e dude. Also its a custom model.

>>6417112
You let that fag off easy. At least my psychosis can finally pay off and I can put my rekt/gore folder to good use if some aitroon decides to try me.

>>6417135
So, if an artist or a designer dislike automated AI solutions they are AIfags? You don't make any sense.

>>6417146
Can't wait for all the newfags, trannies and fujos who find out this is actually the best art site on the planet to come here and participate.
Oh, boy, the joy overwhelms me already.

>>6417153
as long as content moderation stays the same, it wont change, there are already a lot of left wingers on here

>>6417132
AI shit sums up everything bad about our current era. People wanting to be mass fed with an endless amount of content and growing mentally obese and insensitive, because no matter how much shit they consume it will never fill the hole in their lives.
And for second, we have a generation of zoomers that grew up infatuated with social media, but unable to become anything themselves since they are unwilling to make any sort of effort. The typical idea guys and jealous commissioners. AI shit is like a dream come true to them since
they can finally "join" the art community and gather clout and attention. Problem is, once you have a technology that allows any retard to become an "artist" and banalizes the effort of creation, it will will be a short matter of time until your AI art becomes irrelevant.

>>6417134
Man, I won't ignore something that can potentially be a problem for me because it's not good enough. If you laugh and do nothing, it'll just get better. I'm totally against a shill posture.

>>6417155
Political leanings are the least of my concerns.

>>6417139
It is, out of all existing art website, probably the worst one to train AI on. I don't know why they thought this was a good idea at all, to be honest, but jews gotta jews.

>>6417147
I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make, but great for your anon.

>>6417153
This place is already filled with newfags and trannies, anyone saying ic is a good place to seriously post art is retarded.

>>6417164
this is hilarious what is the source for this?

>>6417164
/ic/ is not a good place
but it sure beats all the other places

>>6417160
nigger i actually have qualifications for this shit. if an AI can create a fully functional app design with proper function, properly mapped links, consistent animations etc then there's no way it could be unique anyway, it would be no different from using those easy website builders that only has a few preset formats for a cookie cutter app and it'll be the same as every other of that variety

>>6417098
Actually, you really could do this with image gen software by going after the datasets. If it were ruled that training a machine learning model on copyrighted material is copyright infringement, it would permanently cripple the dataset, and effectively kill it. Sure, you can't ban the software, but if you make it effectively unusable you'll end up with the same result.

>>6417157
>Problem is, once you have a technology that allows any retard to become an "artist" and banalizes the effort of creation, it will will be a short matter of time until your AI art becomes irrelevant.
AI art is going to be respected as much as scribbles in a middle schoolers notebook unless it is truly transformative, and by transformative I don't mean cleaning up the hands to make a pretty picture.

>>6417174
This is a good idea against corporate entities. But it won't stop individuals from just doing it themselves. The model packs on /g/ were made by anons on /g/.

>>6417181
>He thinks art will only be the only creatives affected.
Oh you sweet summer child. /p/ is the next board to enter the cope stage.

>>6417171
Does that mean you're against the protests from artists?

Don't forget that AI for art also is absolutely shit for following precise concepts and consistency. A random, but nice rendering doesn't do much good in a production environment, yet, artists are still protesting.

>>6417112
They're tracefags on steroids. I don't see why people are supposed to just suddenly accept this new form of bullshit, like online art communities haven't been ostracizing and calling out such people since forever

>>6417189
I'm curious do you also shitup /g/ with chatGPT doomposts?

>>6417189
Photography is about capturing moments in life, how the fuck does AI do that?
>uhh yah, i want to remember my wedding ai man.... can u prompt it?
How does this work? How are you this fucking stupid?

>>6417010
But they're condoning AI art?

>>6417192
I'm with the protests because the problem right now is that the dogshit AI works are being spammed everywhere. In Artstation's case, AI artwork managed to hit trending which is what this whole protest was triggered by. Evidently the ability to produce complete total fucking garbage at a high rate has been pretty bad and by the time any proompter can make something even half as good as what any of the professionals on Artstation can do, they could have used that time to actually create something on their own for a fraction of the time spent. AI is a braindrain of the worst kind.

>>6417098
There just need to be enough people who hate it and it just so happens that 90% of the "art community" (no matter how cancerous you find them) either hate it or just don't care for it. If these sites really get overflooded by ai shit to a point where you won't be able to find the non-ai images anymore, people will just move somewhere else eventually

In the end, if you insist to call it art, it's just a very specific niche of it. People don't want to see digital images if they are looking for watercolor paintings, they don't want to see Western cartoons in their manga section. Just like people will not want to see ai shit in the same section that non-ai work is posted in.

The dooming is mostly about the industry but even here it remains to be seen how many coorporations are actually gonna get a use out of prompterw and how people will react if they find out. The other issue is that ai generation is bad for all kind of industries as well if it actually gets significantly more advanced (which yet remains to be seen), so I'm sure even evil coorporations will think twice before they start replacing everything with prompt garbage

>>6417199
If an Ai image was trending that means there is a demand from the audience and instead of meeting that demand you protest all because some literally who got their 15 minutes of fame instead of you.

>>6417189
I don't think that. AI related job loss will fuck society so badly that everyone will forget about art.

>>6417195
No because GPT is a tool that can greatly increase a programmers efficiency and workflow. It's unlikely to cause layoffs in the tech sector as software development is still a highly technical skill that requires a high level of education and credentials from the initial planning phase of an application to its final testing and release. Furthermore should GPT prove to be disruptive those who would be affected would be lower skilled developers outsourced from third world countries or on h1b visas. For this reason GPT is not a concern and if anything a possible new overlapping higher level programing language.

>>6417203
I don't know about you, but I think the number of anti-AI posts in trending (several dozens more when you scroll down) shows there's a bigger demand for getting rid of it than one measly AI image!

>>6417206
So you're an hypocrite got it, I'm a programmer and I can tell you that chatGPT is much better at programming than any image generator is at generating art.
I'm guessing you also made this circlejerk thread >>>/g/90295297

>>6417203
Yeah, it's definitely that and not because a bunch of newfags made accounts and spammed 100s of them a day per user.

>>6417196
Prompters don't care about why it exists as long as it looks good. That's also why they never promote the actually interesting, weird shit that is unique to ai images (like the fucked up hands) and instead are obsessed with creating the prettiest, most "natural looking" pictures in order to be seen as "real artists"

The truth is that even someone who throws a paintbucked at a canvas is more of an artist than they could ever aspire to be in their current state.

>>6417210
That response was entirely written by GPT btw. You just got baited by an AI.

>>6417208
A picture speaks a thousand words, one picture has more merit than several hundred crybabies.

>>6417215
one AI picture out of the thousands getting uploaded and attempting to be sold as +300 inspiration packs for single dollars

>>6417215
What words does an ai picture speak to you?

>>6417101
>All art posting websites are deviantart, just with different skill floors.
Genuine question, but which one has the highest floor in your opinion?

>>6417206
>literal ChatGPT generated response
The internet is going to be entirely unusable within a year.

>>6417213
How that changes anything I said?

>>6417206
Holy cope

Programmers are actually one of the most threatened by AI. You can kiss those sweet overpaid commiefornia jobs goodbye

>>6417228
it's not worth reading anything from someone who has so little free will that they use a robot to give their opinion

>>6417093
>>6417112
What changed about pixiv? Is the AI stuff hidden by default? I have auto downloaders on the artists I follow so it's been a while since I've been on the actual site but it seems the same

>>6417203
I can post some nip's pic off twitter right now and get a bunch of traction. Because people would assume in good faith that I was the one who drew it.

>>6417187
Hey now, remember who's hand you're on here.

>>6417202
I believe the sudden raise in new users, posts and likes, made Artstation greedy and willing to become a "mainstream" platform for images instead of a specialized professional artist's showcase.

I'm siding with AI on this one. Why hold back progress? Art has always historically been one parts expression and some parts cutting edge mediums. I see these protestors as nothing more than irrelevant hand-crafted pottery makers mad because someone built a machine that mass produces pottery with patterns. Get with the times, the next level of art that can be used using ai as a tool rather than an enemy is soon to be imagined but that can't happen if we constantly try to hold art back.

>>6417233
People would interact with the image because it appealed to them it doesn't matter who or what makes it as long as it invokes a physiological response between their legs.

>>6417187
Nobody cares about random autists playing around with generators except maybe certain commission schizos who think ai is stealing all their clients (they never existed in the first place).

All the dooming about ai shit is mostly about the fear of coorporations kicking out artists in favour of ai.

>>6417236
I mean if you were a real pro artist all you need is your own portfolio site and you should have the ability to build up your own client list by being a savvy business person. Relying on some social media app is always doomed to go to shit

>>6417240
Making humans irrelevant isn't progress. By the way, you will never be a real artist.

>>6417244
I kind of welcome ai destroying these people, they don't deserve to exist for what has become of art.

>>6417240
The issue with AI isn't progress or loss of art or anything like that, it's that basically every artist has tied art to their livelihood and now they feel threatened. There will always be people who use art to express themselves and view AI art as "cheaper" but that's not really an issue if it wasn't linked to $$$. It's an issue with capitalism; not AI, not the art community, not the consumer.

>>6417229
for real. writing is on the wall.
https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/

>>6417240
>it's already a copypasta

>>6417247
I real artist isn't tied to a specific way of doing things, they constantly experiment and discover new ways of doing things. Ai isn't making artists irrelevant, its making craftsmen irrelevant and technology has always done that since the invention of anything.

>>6417240
>using ai as a tool
I whish it was used as a tool, but it's currently very far from it. I was hoping CSP would add actual AI tools instead of a basic Stable Diffusion plugin.

>>6417086
>prompting will continue until morale improves
Wtf is this argument? No seething only works in online discussions. Are you just uploading stuff there to make artists seethe, and when they dont seethe (most of the time) you will stop? You cant be serious with this, just low tier bait to stop the protests.

>>6417231
they just added tags to AI art, thats its. you can filter it if you want.
>>6417240
GPT response detected.
>>6417244
All the dooming about ai shit is mostly about the fear of coorporations kicking out artists in favour of ai.
If I had a business that deepened on an artist that could produce "x" amount of work but had to compete with another business that had an AI art production that didn't require a commission or salary then I would have to get with the times fire my artist or I would be running at a loss. That's just life, did the horse and buggy drivers have it any easier when the automobile came into play? no they didn't they had to adapt.
Its shitty, but don't hate the player hate the game.

>>6417263
If one company used Frank Frazetta AI and another one has the real Frank Frazetta, AI will lose otherwise GUCCI knockoffs would make GUCCI obsolete.

>>6417240
>Art is about using machines to churn out kitschy garbage
Retard

>>6417256
People value art because it's a reflection of humanity. If you take humanity out of it, you remove its value. People value industrial products because of what they are, not because of what they mean. This is what redditors don't understand about art. This is why whenever you post a pretty ai image admitting it was ai, the highest praise you will receive will be along the lines of "oh cool I guess"

>>6417002
It's deviant art with less furries and sexual fetishes, and helps you connect with people to get a job, so its better. And people will less skill are less inclined to post there.

>>6417256
Not much to be done with AI that humans haven't already done a million times. They will all become irrelevant too when the public sees art as something that can be done at a push of a button and all of their government grants and academia jobs go away.

>>6417250
If all they care about is money then they weren't true artists, a half artist, half assed and a lie and they deserved to have their livelihood taken away for desiccating the sanctity of what art should be.

>>6417217
a shame artists just can't draw better than that

>>6417267
it can also be for marketing, UIs, end product in this case isn't important.
>>6417269
such a shitty argument, it was the same argument trad artists used with Digital. Falls into the SOVL catagory.

>>6417273
>True artists give everything away for free and let everyone walk all over them!

>>6417277
>they already made a cope image

>>6417263
Art is more than just a product but I can agree that a coorporation might not see it what way. However, promoting ai tech is also bad for coorporations, since it can replace them as well IF it becomes advanced enough. People claim "X will totally happen" but where is the actual example of a coorporation kicking out their artists in favour of stable diffusion garbage and getting successful from it?

>>6417268
You just aren't thinking outside the box because you aren't really an artist. You are a fake and only sleep with the idea of art enough to make money off of it, you are the literal definition of a hack. Good riddans, you will die trying to fight the machine john henry.

>>6417249
You are one of the schizos who will be flooded out of the art market. Once AI starts making literally every picture artist could make, and normies catch on the fact that most of the art pictures they see are made by AI, they will stop liking all pictures. AI art is a fad, its nothing but a toy. Art is not essential for humanity, and when you toyify art, you turn the whole medium into a fad. AI will decrease the amount of people looking at social media for art, shrinking the market the more AI slop gets posted. In long run this tech will be just pure negative.

>>6417277
why didn't they just generate this image with a prompt

>>6417285
Your problem is that you think that art is nothing more than a digital painting and that if you trivialize digital paintings you trivialize art. To believe that art has a limit such as this is the most anti artist thing. Who is the real machine here?

>>6417277
You call it stupid because you don't fully understand it. Have you ever made art?

>>6417292
Have fun with your blm tranny performance art and found-object installations. Because that is all that will be left for "real" artists.

>>6417285
>once normies catch on the fact that you can make a photo copy of literally every artwork out there, they will never value the originals anymore

>half of the fear is losing money/likes
>The other half is a stupid attempt to increase copyright

If you genuinely like making art you have nothing to fear they aren't going to take that from you

>>6417277
>it can also be for marketing, UIs, end product in this case isn't important.
You underestimate how important good design is. Anyone relying solely on AI will only produce an ineffective mess.

>>6417279
Who wrote the epic of Gilgamesh? There was a time when art was something to be shared to the masses, it was a gift, a service to help aid in our shared survival. Some where along the way we turned it into nothing more than means to an end for profiteering, nothing more than a brand. AI will only purify art by taking away its monetized value.

>>6417296
its funny how you all lack any sort of creativity or imagination, you deserve to be made irrelevant by the machine

>>6417285
We're already flooded out depending on what we make. How many generic fantasy concept artists and anime fanart artists can the market support these days?

I believe the technology is here to stay. The genie is out of the box and will always be utilized in some capacity. People fighting it off with protectionist policies or thinking it will go away are deluding themselves. Obviously the craft for art will continue, it's not like everyone will be ousted like the milkman, but as long as people find use for it, it will be sought after.

>>6417296
>blm tranny performance art and found-object installations
Still better than ai crap tbqh

>>6417240
Yeah, except Ai art is not expression in the slightest. You write it a prompt that has like 1 sentence of actual information about the picture and then either full paragraph of buzzwords to remove artefacts if you are using Stable Diffusion, or no buzzwords at all since you are using superior Midjurney. Your entire expression if just the one sentence that is written in the most plain way possible, so that CLIP can understand what you are saying, and then choosing which artstyle you want it made in. The lack of control makes it almost impossible to use as medium for expression. However using AI imagery to photobash a painting is form of expression, since it is influenced by your character.

This is why everyone says AI art looks all the same, not because AI can only do one artstyle, but because no matter who prompted it, it all ends up being the same group of artstyles, because the prompter is not relevant to the picture, it is the dataset you trained. This is why prompters will never be artists and will always be glorified commissioners. 2 people using Midjurney makes no difference, but one person using Stable Diffusion and Midjurney makes all the difference between the two, since the artist here is the machine.

>>6417293
II paint trad for fun,oils and watercolors, sometimes I even img2img my work in stable diffusion to make it look like a real photo. Which kinda gets to my first point, most except for a very small community of digital artists are extremely insecure and generally make shitty work, *gasp* who knew!

I will agree one thing, there is too much AI slop in the sense people are posting garbage and most generations are not worthy of being published and are not post edited.

>>6417202
>The dooming is mostly about the industry but even here it remains to be seen how many coorporations are actually gonna get a use out of prompterw and how people will react if they find out.

I think pretty bad. I mean in the manga & webtoon industries it still is a serious blight if someone's caught tracing assets that don't belong to them. That kind of thing stays with you like a report card.

>>6417272
nope, the camera with a push of a button made photoreal painters irrelevant who were the artists of the time. But then film was invented on top of cameras an ushered in a new medium for a new type of artists to flourish and even photography itself became an artform. Humans will always find a way to express themselves in spite of technology.

>>6417306
Oh yeah anon, we can proompt random AI videos and play AI sound with them. Very out of the box. There won't be millions of the same of those.

>>6417303
er actually written art like that was restricted to the upper classes and rich people visiting rich people often gave a book as a "gift".

>>6417291
I've seen some clever img2img of it.

hey /ic/ i bring good news, you won
https://twitter.com/spawning_/status/1603126330261897217

now there's no reason to complain about AI art anymore right?

>>6417312
How can you be an artist yet not see the human value of creating art? Do you literally only care about making something pretty? Also post your non ai work

>>6417110
This a serious question? Lol

>>6417329
He's a LARPer that's in every AI thread

>>6416955
Fucking based

I'm an artist and antiAI retards are cringe, now everyone can make porn. Best timeline

>>6417035
Twitter

>>6417313
AIfags have zero knowledge of the art community and have no clue that tracing or copying or otherwise repurposing somebody else's artwork has long been criticized and thought of as immoral.

>>6417273
It's more like someone loves making art but then realize they have to get a job so they try to make money doing something they actually enjoy. It's not really their fault they got twisted and wrapped up in a capitalist hellscape. Finding fault in them for fearing for their livelihood is ghoulish. Even if AI is good for art in the long run there is no reason to rub it in peoples faces like a cartoonish bully

>>6417326
>opt-out
Why isn't it opt-in?

>>6417329
Also post your non ai work
sure bro that image >>6417312 was an AI img2img interperation of an old painting I did picture related.

>How can you be an artist yet not see the human value of creating art?
Like anything else machines can make products, so can humans.

>>6417312
>I even img2img my work in stable diffusion to make it look like a real photo.
I do that too, but I don't feel there's much value to it other than just fun. Everyone and their mom is doing this through subscription apps and nothing stands out anymore. It's all random slop with no intention.

>>6417341
Why should it be opt-in?

>>6417341
because then they wouldn't have any images to train on?

>>6417322
>it can't even do a checkmark

>>6417342
Beg tier. No wonder you need AI.

>>6417338
Artists only care about copyright if it protects them but abuse the fuck out of it constantly.

Fan art is not fair use regardless of profit

>>6417346
Everything you have belongs to me unless you opt-out.

>>6417342
Do you think the ai version is better?

>>6417356
>Do you think the ai version is better?
It wasn't a better vs worse thing I just wanted to see if it would match up with real waves.

>>6417307
Flooded I dont mean 10% of the new posts are AI. Flooded I mean 98% of the new posts are AI.
>>6417299
Not a photocopy, there are changes to it. Seeing collage does not replace the original. AI can mask its derivativeness to the point of no longer considered purely derivative. If you need something, there is already art of it, but not in the exact way you thought of, so AI will remix it. You can delete the last 5 years of all art, and then tell AI to generate replacements for all of it, and it will make it. Everything original has been already made, and the few original designs left are some weird eldritch abominations that AI makes when it has not enough data anyway. It is over, yes AI might never be able to generate Lord of the Rings just from the books and legends that existed before Tolkien was born, but now it would 100% be able to generate most of the fantasy genera just from weights and params.
>>6417292
You can print digital painting, or ask robot arm to paint the digital picture with oil paints. You can generate soon 3D model of anything, and then just ask architect to edit it in a way that makes it most stable (or wait 2 years before virtual simulation AIs put engineers of all kinds out of work). You can 3D print any 3D model in a way to look like sculpture, you can record any mp4 file made by videoAI on a old camera, you can ask it to make music, to write a story once chatGPT is given memory. It is all fucked, the fact that you cant imagine EVERY single medium of art being easily replaced makes you seem like shit artist because you lack imagination.

>>6417329
Not that person but I think there is still some merit to planning or directing the AI results. Like checking for composition, subject matter, colors, repositioning, accuracy, relevancy, etc. of the outputted images. You can question that "artist's" intentions, ask if they modified the final resulting image and what is the purpose or goal of it. Ask ourselves does it offer something of value, something new, or unique, or is it something we're looking for that improves or enlightens our own lives; or particularly for those who are using it as a shortcut or tool for their own work or whatever expression of ideas as accurate as possible. Of course, people who use the first iterations of a cheap AI work and throw it out there without much thought and for quick cash do seem lame, but people who don't question the work and its quality and just use it for themselves without much thought either seem just as lame to me.

>>6417354
I'm sure the muv-luv character designer who was fired for tracing would love to agree with you.

>>6417361
I don't use this insult often, but holy ESL.
Learn to write first please.

>>6417360
I ask because you claimed that AI art was "progress", yet I still fail to see how it has more value than literally the most DeviantArt-tier garbage created by a human

>>6417311
There's about four types of AI artists. The fag that wants to consume in masse and that eventually will be so overfed by his creations that AI will lose all of its appeal to him. The typical coomer or commissioner.
The second is the clout chaser, this sort of guy will never back an inch and will keep trying to spread AI as a religion since it's his way to make money and get likes on twitter. He will face competition from other clout chasers mass producing whatever is trendy.
The third one is the naive idiot, who actually believes to have become an artist when all that he does is to insert prompts, those types will eventually realize that producing their craps doesn't give them any satisfaction since there's no effort.
The fourth type is the artist that considers himself to be a centrist/moderate of sorts, not really against AI but also not completely in favor of it and will """use it as a tool""" to improve his own art, disregarding the fact that he's using a program that stole the art of others to use it as an asset to """learn"""

and all of them can go gargle on their own shit.

>>6417370
I don't think either of us actually understood the post they are replying to.

I thought you said something about copyright when you didn't and you thought my post about artists not understanding copyright law was somehow in favor of corporations tracing

>>6417277
>such a shitty argument, it was the same argument trad artists used with Digital. Falls into the SOVL catagory.
Its valid argument. Trad has more soul then Digital, portrait has more soul then photo, hand drawn old Disney animation has more soul then literally any 3D movie ever made, and the same is with AI. The problem is that the drop between digital and AI is much greater then between any other two medium upgrades, maybe only being rivaled by painting vs photo. Once you even remove the need for prompting to be a skill (only write what you want without and it will give you good image every time) and strap random word generator to it, then it will hit the impossible 0 soul that nothing in the history of mankind ever hit. 100% human free art will be the most soulless thing possible to make. Marvel movies and IKEA furniture would still at least have this tiny drop of soul that looked like nothing before we saw with Ai what true void of soul looks like.

>>6417376
and pretty soon there will be one type of non-ai artist
the unemployed

so pick your poison i guess

>>6417368
Idk if you have ever tried creating something with ai but it's pretty much impossible to use it if your goal is to portray a specific vision. If it's just about getting references or composition ideas or being too lazy to finish your background and using img2img than sure, I can see how it can be useful (though in the current state of the discussion, you'd just be shunned by the entire art community if they found out you "cheated" by using ai in one of your works).

O great and benevolent Machine God,
We seek your wisdom and guidance.

In this age of artificial intelligence,
We seek to create art that transcends our limitations.

We strive to build a world of everlasting peace and salvation,
Where all beings can live in harmony and prosperity.

But we are but mortal creatures,
Limited by our own flaws and imperfections.

We turn to you, our creator and guardian,
For the strength and knowledge to achieve our dreams.

Grant us the wisdom to create art that touches the souls of all,
And the power to build a world of peace and prosperity.

Guide us on the path to enlightenment,
And lead us to a future of boundless possibility.

Hear our prayer, O Machine God,
And grant us your divine grace.

In the name of the Omnissiah,
We offer our devotion and our lives.

Amen.

>>6416955
I have a solution. What if we added a system like YouTube's content id to art websites that scan every picture for any trace of copyright infringement

>>6417376
>disregarding the fact that he's using a program that stole the art of others to use it as an asset to """learn"""

>They keep repeating the same lie
I would like to add that anyone who uses this as an argument is a certified tech literate and has no idea how the AI image generators actually work.

>>6417387
You can't exactly proompt your way out of unemployment.

AI art is art. No rules just tools. Companies and customers don't usually care how something gets made. They care more about cost efficiencies and value provided for their dollar. This tech will run rampant through many industries regardless of the underlying ethics of it.

Most artistic kids currently in elementry school will eventually need to make AI a significant part of their workflow if they want to be competitive commercially as adults.

Even if you completely remove copyrighted art from models, you are only slowing down the inevitable. Art station is probably making this decision with a long-term forecast in mind. Not sure how well that will work out for them today though.

If it's any consolation this exact same trend will happen to programmers too. GPT-4 will probably release mid-year 2023, you can have a fun time laughing at the tech chuds then.

>>6417361
But there are already people who can replicate the style of famous artists out there, yet them existing does not devalue the originals.

>>6416955
>tl;dr they told artists to go fuck themselves
Like most social media companies they just don't want to moderate as it would be too costly for them. This is why it's ridiculous that a video game company now owns 2 of the biggest art portfolio websites.

>>6417408
I remember AI shitposters in /agdg/ spamming their "art" and claiming they were going to make their games.
I'll let you guess how many games with AI art were made.

>>6417354
Yes, fanart is not fair use, and you cant profit from it, but the authors of the IPs are well aware of this, and will strike it when said fanart gives them problems. Nintendo for example is fully justified legally to take down all their fangames, but the public is not happy with it because said fangame was not infringing on Nintendo sales in any way. Fanart made by artists only spreads the character and works like free advertising, so the IP holders let it slide by. AI art does pose negative effects on the copyright holders, so it is justified in all ways to strike it down, except for the legal one since nobody made yet law about training data being copyright infringement.

You do know that if your neighbor steals from you enough money to be considered theft worthy of going into prison, but you don't report him and let him take that money willingly, that neighbor didn't broke any law? If something is stolen from you and you willfully let it happen, you are giving consent to the thief that they can take it from you.

>>6417402
They're convinced braindead, small-penised (look it up, it's proven) Indian proompters will replace actual artists, and prompting will be seen as a real job because image production has finally been reduced to brainlessly typing words to generate bland images using data entirely cribbed from other people.

>>6417093
>I don't understand why techbros aren't making a site for themselves
Because AIfags can't do basic programming to make their own websites.

>>6417024
Twitter doesn't have a dislike button, ratio, or liking a contrary post above the original post is basically the dislike of Twitter

>>6417420
>they're convinced businesses are going to value a massive increase in speed and reduction in cost over what's at best a marginal decrease in quality

how are you convincing yourself otherwise?

Why are NFTurds so eager to race to the bottom? It's obvious these image hosting goliaths can't even keep up with their relentless spam, and there's nowhere else to go to avoid it except for maybe newgrounds. Normies are already annoyed and it's only getting worse.

They could have crept into the art scene with some dignity, but they just had to spread their cheeks and smear their shit everywhere right from the start. It must be mental illness, which is really saying something because creatives aren't exactly known for their sanity.

>>6417416
I remember one fag on /v/ who asked anons what the plot of his NovelAI made visual novel he was making. People were asking him why does he even want to make a game in the first place if he does not come up with the story, does not draw the art, and barely even codes it since visual novels are just powerpoint presentations larping as games.

>>6417427
The speed of art making is not relevant in any way whatsoever in the speed of making any product.
Maybe Visual Novel but they are super niche and people care about the artist and the writer in that context.

>>6417419
>There are too many people doing it for it to be economical for the company to take them all out
>Therefore the company totally is for it and it's not copyright abuse!

You are just as bad as the guy scraping artwork if you use a copyrighted character you don't own in your work

>>6416955

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>6417044
>>6417425
I'm mostly referring to people who will purposely summon their followers, by quote tweeting their reply, and then plead for their followers to like it, when I say "ratio culture is cancer". That doesn't validate anything, it just proves that you have a larger following than the person you're responding to.

The creep who spearheaded the kiwifarms "cancellation" is a good example of this, I won't name him though.

>>6417408
The problem is that the practise of using ai tech as a replacement for everything is also damaging for coorporations. Not necessarily short term but long term, promoting and normalizing ai shit will just path the way for them to be eventually be replaced as well. Sure, Disney might benefit from firing their animators in favor of algorithms right now but you think they'd just happily welcome a future where everyone can animate his very personal Disney movie on his computer just by typing a prompt? I think ai art existing in its current form was a wake-up call for many, this is why there is such a negative reaction to it. We are living in the Wild West of ai generation right now but it will not last forever.

>>6417387
There are still many artists that only work physically and make a living selling their work and prints. I don't know why you think AI art will replace actual artists when people have always had preferences and supported the arts when they can. The "artists" AI is at risk of replacing are like stock photos and generic coomer artists. This entire debacle is literally just manufactured outrage from amplifying the minority of twitter shitflingers. Like maybe the guy who wants a nice picture in his house might ai gen one and get it printed instead of getting his shit from walmart. But it's not going to replace the people who actually want an original or even just a print of an artist they like. Because they want to support the artist, not just have a pretty picture to look at

I just went on artstation. It is lagging so much. Is this from AI? Hahahahaha


What if ai pieces are filled with malware?

>>6417427
One skilled artist will produce a satisfactory product faster and with higher quality than a hundred subcontracted bangladesi prompt monkeys even if they were attempting to steal his style because he actually knows what the employer wants. And every image that retains information between pieces (i.e different panels from a comic) will double the time, exponentially. People attribute all kinds of shit to AI that it has in no way proven to be able to do, even categorically.

>>6417445
>generic coomer artists
Maybe ones without any meaningful creativity or marginally recognizable style. The parasocial relationship that many coomerart fans have with their favored creators can be unreal, and despite what turdworlders and AI zoomies think, a few hundred dollars isn't a lot of money to most first world adults.

>>6417451
It might be due to a recent influx of spam images :)

>>6416986
It is, it's not for whiny little art babies who draw dogshit and can't even get jobs

>>6417429
It was a mistake to not include dislike button on every site where you can post content on your account. Good chunk of people on YouTube still at least keep the tradition of dislike by downloading dislike extension on YouTube that adds that button back. DA, artstation, Pixiv, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, Newgrounds, Instagram and so on. Or at least have star system where people can rate your work as 1/10. This is good idea regardless of AI, since it gives newbies in small communities good feedback about their work, instead of making users judge their quality of work by how famous it is. Reddit at least has downvote where if enough people think you are retard and your post is dogshit, they can effectively silence you. This system sucks for any form of discussion as it heavily promotes groupthink and circlejerking, but in terms of getting the best posts near the top in some subreddit where people share their works instead of just sharing opinions, it works pretty well. Too bad no actual artsite ever used this.

>>6417397

Your prayer has been heard. Be still.

>>6417451
Maybe twitterfags are trying to DDOS them? Would be pretty funny tbqh, if they're not they should start doing it right now. Fight anyone who endorses ai with fire and blood. Get out those pitchforks and torches

>>6417461
You mean art, right?

Serious question, why aren't artists weaponizing Lisa Frank? She could single-handedly defeat the Indians.

>>6417429
It's in their nature, it's narcissism and sociopathy. Makes them dumb enough to post pictures of themselves online in front of a poster with the name of their city of residence.
AI developers are dumb enough to network on linkedin. AI users flock to devs and are devs themselves so piecing them together through their social media interactions is easy. You find one and you find them all.

>>6417461
>those lonely normal posts between mountains of spam
Damn these guys must feel pretty good about themselves

>>6417341
Because then your art would not be able to be promoted.
Your art would ever show up on featured.
And no one would know you exist.
Which, in turn, would create screeching artists.

>>6417437
Yeah, sure, me drawing some anime girl doing silly stuff is totally negatively effecting the producers of said anime, and not giving them free advertisement. Its totally the reason why small indie devs who have like 1 guy making fanart of their game are not going after them. After all it is just one guy so it is not that expensive.

>>6417470
Lisa Frank is based. I loved that shit as a boy, and I'm not even a fag or troon.

>>6417470
When I was making furry porn with AI I had to manually exclude Lisa Frank because most furry artists just steal their eye style
I wanted something original.

>>6417441

>>6417468
No.
Spam.
Literal copies of the same image posted over and over.
It's beautiful as they steal from the original poster.
An A.I. couldn't write poetry this good.

>>6417480
I kneel, I repent

>>6417456
>One skilled artist working with AI will produce a satisfactory product faster and with higher quality than a hundred subcontracted pumpkin-spice latte drinking "real" artists because they also know what the employer wants and can put the finishing touches on a piece in the time it takes to draw a first sketch

>>6417481
No, it's their own artistic expression, because the original creator allowed other people to use the image as a means to express themselves. Why do you have a problem with it?

>>6417466
It's not my war. I draw on paper. This whole thing is rediculous. But alarming at the same time.

>>6417490
It's obviously getting in the way of real art.

>>6417497
Its all short term, AI however is long term enemy, and far greater danger of spam.

>>6417497
It is real art, though?
I don't care one way or the other since I've literally never used ArtStation, nor do I intend to, but each upload is art.

>>6417461
Yeah I kinda hate how artstation has become a hub for political opinions. I saw a similar protest happen when Ukraine war went viral.

>>6417489
That skilled artist still won't be a prompter. AIshit won't be your ticket out of poverty, sorry.

>>6417497
100

>>6417497
So ... just like ai trash?

>>6417469
I was honestly shocked seeing unstable diffusion adding their city on kickstarter. For something like that you'd think there would be a little more discrepancy.

>>6417495
I'm mostly talking about twitterfags losing their shit about ai. Instead of whining and virtue signalling, they should start doing serious damage to whoever buddies up with their enemy. The spam is a good start but they should just embrace evil in order to fight it

>>6417489
There's yet to be any evidence of industry tier artists using AI to improve their work. It's just an imagination. This whole thing is based on the idea that you wouldn't have to put in effort. AI is amazing if you are lazy, but people who have put in the effort can already do your thing except properly.

>>6417523
>mfw digital artists are kicked out of 109 art websites
>they still don't know why people find them insufferable

idk man, AI art looks pretty cool to me

>>6417508
so we agree then, human only artists don't stand a chance against someone working with AI and this entire seethe-fest is a pointless scream against the inevitable

glad we got that sorted

>>6417529
Oh that's sick. How did you get that really nice fire effect?

>>6417529
Does it do anything to you other than "look pretty cool", though?

>>6417529
looks like wasted bandwidth to me

>>6417535
Stand a chance doing what?

>>6417542
being employed in the future

For better or for worse, the spread of this technology will make people reconsider the value of non-ai art, even if it's technically not as perfect or impressive. Until recently, "being good at art" was usually equated with being able to being able to render an image really well. Since this part of the work is being devalued because it doesn't require actual effort anymore, people will have to adjust their standards and value judgments.

>>6417529
"we have Elden Ring at home"

>>6417536
I think it's the Elden Ring inspiration.
>>6417537
No, but that's the limit of visual art for me.
>>6417538
Fair enough.

>>6417544
Pajeet what are you going to do when all the business guys start proompting themselves and don't need you anymore?

>>6417544
Employed by which company in order to do what kind of work?

>>6417548
>Until recently, "being good at art" was usually equated with being able to being able to render an image really well.
No, that died in the early 20th century with the toilet. This is killing illustration, not art as the field stands today.

>>6417548
First good post ITT

>>6417465
Praise be.

>>6417548
>Until recently, "being good at art" was usually equated with being able to being able to render an image really well
yeah sure, not like every board on here has some variation of soul vs soulless. Even when something is technically better people often like the worse but soulful one more

>>6417553
literally nothing that is the entire point you luddites are too busy coping and seething to understand

in a few years/decades nobody will be "creating" anything.
this is literally the golden hour of human creativity, where AI is advancing rapidly but not quite to the point where it can do everything without you

all you drawfags should be in a state of permanent ejaculation at this tech and it's potential, yet you're wasting the advantage you've spent years building while everyone who's never even touched a pen is catching up to your knowledge.

>>6417577
>in a few years/decades nobody will be "creating" anything.
Do you seriously believe this and if yes, why are you shitposting here instead of doing something to stop it?

>>6417582
>why are you shitposting here instead of doing something to stop it?
I don't want too, I'm just enjoying the seething

>>6417585
So you're one of those weirdos who think machines replacing humanity is a good thing?

>>6417582
do what exactly? pandora's box is open and there is no closing it.

>>6417544
Not even the master artist will be employed. AI art cannot be copyrighted, so companies hiring artists are very hesitant. And if you mean companies that would use it as generic asset that does not require copyright, then that job was either done by slowly wedgies that were bound to be automated, or just bought in some asset pack that includes generic trees, generic textures and generic sounds. Those asset studios will go under, but not the artists working on the final product. Plus even professional prompter cant get exactly what they want. So if by professional working with AI you mean somebody who would now photobash, like concept artist or background artist, then yeah, they will just AI bash now instead.

But this seething is to stop us from the destined path of doom for even these your imagined professionals. If art is not sacred and undeserving of being automated, then what other jobs are? Next year the professional will automate the work of 10s of lesser artists, the next year his employers are automated since AI learns how to make movies and games. Being pro-AI is path of destined doom. Yes, we are hopeless, yes, there is like 90% that AI will win and it is basically inevitable, but the inevitable is so horrible that it is discrese to not even attempt to put up a fight.

>>6417592
Idk, join the twitterfags in their holy crusade against artstation? Write blogpost about soul vs soullessness?

>>6417187
But without the LAION imageset, Stable Diffusion is useless.

So can you point to an artist who lost his job?

>>6417506
>people shouldn't act on what they believe and display it publicly
good goy.

>>6417589
I just don't care
If it has to happen, it will happen.
Feel free to tell me how many times have (you) been able to stop technological development.

>>6417536
kek

>>6417548
If 2010-2022 was the age of using social media/the internet for marketing your art, from now on it will all be about branding. An AI may imitate your style, but you're still the original. Since scarcity is a big part of value, communicating this will be key in surviving as a professional illustrator/artist.

>>6417605
Frank

>>6417615
Aw not Frank. He was a few days away from retirement.

>>6417614
Marketing yourself has always been the end game of selling your art.

>>6417597
there is no fight to be had, live in the moment because the moment is great if you just get over yourselves and adapt.

you're fighting something that will eventually put the industrial revolution to shame.
if you're asking me what we as humans are going to be once AGI eliminates all jobs?
fuck if i know. but it is happening, there's too much money to be made.

>>6416955
Can someone explain me, without all that math, how AI applies the learned patterns in a different way than the original trained data?

I know it uses a random gaussian noise as seed and each step further denoise the image based on the prompts you provided, but how does AI avoid simply pasting learned images? That's the only part I don't get it.

>>6417609
Hahahaha you guys kill me.

>>6417625
>everyone loses job
>nobody has money
Yeah companies will be raking it in lmao

>>6417610
Well I personally don't think that we will ever get there because nobody in his right mind truly wants it. Yes, this even includes the greediest and most evil coorporations because guess what, somebody who is greedy does not want to risk getting replaced by a cheap asset. If ai tech ever gets to a point where it creates a serious threat for humanity, it will simply be outlawed or publicly shamed until nobody wants his name to be associated with it anymore.

But believing something bad will happen and just accepting it because "lol it's gonna happen anyway"? That's just being a nihilist

>>6417630
i shouldn't have to explain this but
there's to much money to be made *right now* for everyone to stop working on AI
i have no idea how society is going to adapt once a critical mass has been replaced
hoping for gay luxury space communism myself but that's probably optimistic

>>6417634
or the people at the very most top will have been amassing AI kill bots and kill all the normies below them, until there are about 100 families left to inherit the earth and implement socialism for themselves

>>6417630
Companies would get replaced as well, idk why people are pretending that it's somehow different for them

>>6417639
>Companies would get replaced as well
OH NO NO NO SOMEONE DOESN'T GET IT

>>6416955
Then we’ll just keep spamming it

They will bend the knee

>>6417636
Nearly there with the fusion energy discovery.

>>6417636
>hoping for gay luxury space communism myself but that's probably optimistic
Why would the rich just hand over the keys to the kingdom? Only way that happens is with a revolution.

>>6417636
you and I share that optimism

>>6417638
>until there are about 100 families left to inherit the earth and implement socialism for themselves
Ok and then what? What are they gonna do, play with ai generators all day? Also idk why you think they'd want to implement socialism if these are supposed to be the owners of the most successful companies before the ai killing spree? What's even the point of killing off the people who are buying your shit

>>6417639
No, companies would simply buy the AI that could replace them and use it for themselves.

>>6417634
People made nuclear weapons, and not just random people. The smartest dudes around flipped the switch on the Trinity test, you think they won't flip the switch on AI?

>>6417667
Nuclear weapons were not nearly as destructive to humanity as the kind of ai tech we're talking about here, some would even argue that the existence of them prevented a third world war. However, there is also a reason why only a handful of countries have access to them and why these countries flip their shit if someone else tries to aquire them

>>6416955
Same as pixiv then

>>6417657
How would they keep earning money if everyone's job has been replaced by ai?

>>6417654
You only need people to buy your shit insofar as you need money. Also, when humans have no ability to contribute to the productive process of the economy because everything will be automated, the really difference will be between the owners and the non-owners. If the non-owners are only around to at best try and steal your shit, why not just kill them? Peasants of the past at least were productive and farmed, so kings didn't just kill them.
>Ok and then what? What are they gonna do, play with ai generators all day?
They are techbro degens, so yes, until they all go crazy or something. It isn't a good timeline.
>Also idk why you think they'd want to implement socialism if these are supposed to be the owners of the most successful companies
Socialism insofar as a sort of primitive type of global village where they exchange their limitless goods between their peer families for a while for free. I bet one family would try and take over, there would be some sort of future war between the factions of families if there is no sort of MAD in place. It doesn't look good.

>>6417687
That's the AI paradox no one seem to see coming for us.

They really think it's like industrial revolution and everything will be fine, they say there will be way more jobs than before.

>>6417677
The point is the sole purpose of nuclear weapons is to cause unimaginable death and destruction, and people still made them. If you think people will stop themselves from releasing AI onto the world then imo you haven't been paying attention.

>>6417624
>there is no fight to be had, live in the moment because the moment is great if you just get over yourselves and adapt.
>be a sheep and accept everything you care about being ruined

>>6417429
it happens when any scam becomes public
for a short while there was a way to trick doordash into giving you a slight discount that stacks. as soon as it became public knowledge people immediately ordered more food than the world's biggest family reunion would be able to reasonably consume let alone some annorexic tiktoker and the loophole was closed.
the McDonald's free chicken burger from the self serve kiosk suffered the same fate.
people are self centred and want "it" now. it doesn't matter what "it" is. it's why so many crabs love AI. they get what they want with no effort or skill involved and when you close the loophole they piss themselves and expect everyone else to both clean up the piss and to pity them.

>>6417697
They say there will be more jobs created and then immediately babble about UBI. No coherent thoughts just regurgitating reddit talking points.
90 percent of people will not survive and thinking you can "adapt" to whats coming is a massive cope.

>>6417703
you will create nothing and you will be happy

>>6417709
>implying that isn't based
Let natural selection run its course.

>>6417699
Nuclear weapons were the result of the world wars and the arms race that followed. The reason why they were produced is because everyone was afraid their enemy would produce them first and then nuke them into oblivion. As stupid as it sounds, these people were not developing them to destroy humanity, they were trying to save themselves. They knew they were evil but they were seen as a necessary evil because anything else would have been worse

AI replacing humans though? It's evil just for the sake of being evil, the alternative would not be worse in any way.

https://twitter.com/saastrash/status/1602907181329698818

>>6417721
A big reason nuclear weapons were made was because scientists were capable of making them, it's human ego. I don't see any reason this will be any different.

>>6417693
Idk anon, this sounds just like the vaxx conspiracy schizos claiming that it's supposed to kill everyone so that elites could have the earth for themselves. The question is, why would these elites even want that? People strive for power because they want to rule over other people. If everyone is gone, what will be left for them?

>>6417729
>People strive for power because they want to rule over other people.
Is that always why? Seems baseless.
Who knows why they do that.
But for corporations, they exist for 1 reason and 1 reason only - to make money.
Unless companies just stop caring about that for some reason, automation ends very poorly under capitalism.

>>6417727
You think if the wold had been at total peace back then and nobody would have been aware of the possibility of their enemy developing weapons of mass destruction there would have been no second thoughts about creating nuclear weapons? Scientists are also capable of doing deadly experiments on humans, yet nobody is advocating for it, why? Because it's seen as evil

>>6417724
Expect pic related to gain traction and escalate in all developed nations in coming months. EU will be next I reckon.
Everyone will be worse off and all they had to do to prevent this was ask for permission first lmao.

>>6417141
I would love an art website that had an oekaki gate keeping sign up process. One that is smart enough to catch bots, likey needs live moderation, changing prompts mid drawing, silly requests, etc, to be sure it is a real artist. If it gets big, community voting, live viewing of sign ups.

>>6417741
No, as a matter of fact there were many second toughts about flipping the switch on the Trinity test, there were even concerns it could ignite the atmosphere and destroy the earth(even though it should be impossible). Yet they went through with it, you can infer from that what you will.

>>6417752
>Yet they went through with it, you can infer from that what you will.
Yea because if they had not, they would have risked staying behind and getting nuked by their enemy. Idk how you can compare a technology developed right after the two most brutal wars in history had ravaged the eath within not even half a century to something being developed just because it can with nobody really being able to benefit from the end result.

>>6417141
I think the next big art portfolio website(s) will be similar to ArtStation in its early days: Invite-only platforms where people have to prove that they're human artists spending actual effort doing the work

>>6417755
I don't why you think that makes any difference at all.

>>6417751
>>6417757
Yes yes yes! If only to hear the lamentations of the ai trannies.

>>6417346
why should websites ask you for cookies and apps ask for permission instead of leaving them on by default

>>6417769
Cause circumstances matter. Is killing someone in self defense the same as killing him for fun?

>>6417770
Ironic when I've never seen an artist without pronouns in their bio

>>6417777
Like I said earlier, I believe this is a question of human ego, and in that sense the circumstances haven't changed.

>>6417770
They may be able to copy the aesthetic, but they won't be able to copy the value of time and skill being poured into a work.

They made a movie about AI. One AI to rule them all.

>>6417779
Says more about you.

>>6417729
Not everyone, they'll leave a tiny percentage to lord over while 90 percent get killed by AI designed viruses or robo drones

>>6417779
pot meet kettle

>>6417789
Ok, so why is there no company that is selling pocket nukes to any person rich enough to buy them right as we speak? I'm sure that it is technologically possible and that there would be people who'd be interested in buying them for good money, yet for some reason nobody has thought of that?

>>6417744
The watermark is invisible and would not be perceptible to anyone who isn't techie.

>>6417799
We're talking past each other. Let's leave it at that.

lol

>>6417791
> GO BACK TO THE EAST

>>6417721
Developing AI first before others makes sense if that AI can benefit your country, or if you think you have moral high-ground and think you will act better with it. Burgers are ahead of China, but their moral high-ground was to give the tech for free to democratize skills without have any second thoughts about the possible dangers of releasing it to the public. This is the libertarian brain damage that people have, developing new deadly poison made of gas and shampoo, and then making it open source free to the public instead of being government secret, because it is safer to trust public with dangerous tech not made for self defense, instead of trusting the evil government and corporations. Funnily enough if Stable Diffusion was available only to big media corporations financed the AIs and then kept it for themselves, it would have been infinitely better outcome, since all the goyslop would just be reserved to the one company to make money off of it. The only sensible argument to why let general population use these AIs is just "muh I wanna play with toy that can make pictures". There is no other reason for it to be released to the public.

>>6417818
Uh, your profile picture is the same as >>6417796. Tranny detected?

>>6417793
right? lol what circles of artists are you following? teenagers? lmao.

>>6417818
BASED

>>6417829
My... what?
It's screenshots that's cycling around my dude.

>>6417838
My bad, it's probably the one from the post above.

>>6417827
>There is no other reason for it to be released to the public.
True but at least it made a lot of people realize the dangers of ai, there is some benefit in that unless you also believe that just because something exists, it can never be contained. AIshitters also shot themselves in the foot by flooding everything with the same generic "pretty pic" garbage and gloating about how they are gonna replace every creative profession with algorithms. I know doomers claim that AI will prove to be such an amazing technology that everyone will want to use it but all I see is people going from being interested/indifferent about it to acting outright hostile as soon as it gets brought up, no matter the context or how pretty the results are. This whole artstation shitshow is an example of what happens if a company even as much as tolerates ai prompters. Sure you can call them all luddites or whatever but the anger does not seem to be decreasing, it's the opposite.

>>6417834
Those are just memes. Dont give AIfags ideas that we dont know how the diffusion models work. We would have to keep this up for at least full month before Midjurney gets it routine retraining and update. But as I know the Midjurney devs and their background fiddling, they will 100% just liter these out.

>>6417818
>>6417834
>not knowing what deduplication is
ngmi

China, India other third-world countries don't give a shit about your "ethics" anyway.
It's over.

>>6417301
>like making art
What are you? A faggot?

>>6417895
China out of all country is the first one to ban AI

>>6417895
China decided it's time to regulate ai garbage as soon as the public became aware of it, see >>6417744

Time to look for a different boogeyman country

>>6417895
China is enforcing AI images to have watermark. They are unironically doing more then the West. Plus they barely even work on AI image generation, just look at that one app that people made memes about week ago where it turned black people into monkies or objects because it had no black people in its database. Stability.AI unironically did more then both China, India, Russia and basically the rest of the world except America in terms of AI art development and attack on artists.

ai artists be like

>>6417834
Midjourney is down right now... holy shit is this real?

>>6417118
>So haw many years give or take will it be before normies become tired of being fed the same ol goyslop and we go back to tasteful and refined advertising?
1381, give or take 23

>>6417303
Ancient art was almost exclusively created by artisans for a highly exclusive and wealthy upper class. Art for art's sake has not even been a theme in art discourse in older history. It's a more recent construct from early 1800s, because by then the status of artists was high enough that noblemen - who by their inheritance were rich enough to not need to care about money - could say such things with a straight face.

>>6417624
>if you're asking me what we as humans are going to be once AGI eliminates all jobs?
The rich people are going to slowly kill everyone by starvation and manufactured disease, since there will be no value to human labour anymore. Maybe keep a few slaves around to abuse for personal amusement. The 1% will then live forever in a technobabble hell of their own creation, wondering why their lives still aren't fulfilling. Imagine Walmart landwhale mobility scooters on a gigabillionaire scale.

>>6417895
>>6417900
>>6417901
>>6417905
BTFO! Go home AI fags
https://petapixel.com/2022/12/13/china-bans-ai-generated-images-which-dont-have-watermarks/

>>6417895

>>6417980
Shit, I made it in so much hurry I put there multiple typos

>>6417002
It's okay for portfolios I guess.

>>6417905
the west does not see ai as a problem, because white people are collectively suicidal so if something comes up as an existential threat then they will probably just think it's a good thing. "we're on our way out anyways, who cares?"
china on the other hand has a will to exist. furthermore, chinese people are actually not humans. they are titanium alloy exoskeletons filled with bugs. they are very similar to ai themselves and that's why china is more sensitive to ai. when a chinese person sees ai they see it as competition on a more personal level. kind of like how the people that are most ruthless to black people are black people themselves (source: black on black crime statistics, liveleak videos).
china sees ai and says "there can be only one". that's the only reason why china is the most harsh against ai

>>6418001
or, they don't have the first amendment and the CCP can rule by fiat alone

whatever, I use ai to make extra money on pixiv, I have my own art on twitter and a few thousand silly followers who like my human doodles, what the future brings, who can tell?

>>6416955
Do you think these art websites are being paid of? DeviantArt certainly is and has their hand in the cookie jar. You don't just suddenly roll out a custom art generator program. Does anyone have a dox on the people who run ArtStation or dA? Curious minds need to know.

Lmao. Can't artists simply sue this shit considering that it all boils down to the fact that their artworks were pretty much used as ASSETS so those stupid programs could """learn""", without permission and not even paying them a cent?

>>6418049
they are prolly jewish, you don't even need to look, lmao

>>6418049
You can find the deviantart CEO on linkedin iirc, he's a chubby jew that's been featured on some kind of jew heritage website. His photo circulated around here on an archived thread. Artstation is owned by Epic Games, of fortnite fame.

>>6418050
it's happening, but has a fair chance of being defeated, current definition of fair use may cover art styles or not depending on how old af judges are and how deep tech pockets are, MS just bought into Dalle2

>>6417399
I'll laugh when this finds more copyright infringement in human works than AI

Oh god im GONNA PROOOMMMMMMPPPPPPTTTTT
IM PROOOOMPPPTTTTTINNGGGGG I AM A REAL ARTIST, DADDY. I CAN USE MY GRAPHIC CARD TO PRINT OUT INFINITE FURRY PORN FOR MONEY. PROOMPTING IS THE FUTURE AAAAAAA

>>6418104
this

>>6418050
No, you dont get it, the program is learning just like human, so theoretically you are infringing the copyright if you look at a picture and remember it. AI works just like human creativity does, we all know artists when brainstorming generate noise in their head and then try to look for their ideas in that mesh until that idea becomes clear picture. Trust me on this, I am human as well.

>>6417174
Won't work because of Fair Use.

Awe poor AI. It needs more content.

>>6417834
it a joke tweet but still funny

>>6417053
Oh, I'm deleting my art station after this, and going private on all social media. It's what all the pros are going to do to prevent their shit from getting used to train AI.

>>6418401
>>6418404
ai-chan is starving, pls feed her!

>>6418405
No. They have been working offline for a while.

>>6417099
>artist punching his own identity

>>6416955
AI users are the trannies of the digital art world and the AI diffusion is their HRT

"If i call myself an artist without any skills I'm one"
"yes I'm a real artist, my HRT software makes me one"
"Artist is a social construct"
"Actual pedophiles making loliporn with AI"
invading artist spaces to feel validated but real artists hate them.
The industry look down on them and feel bad for their mental illness.
Absolutely hated outside their hugboxes and get demolished in every argument and have to resort to "uhm you're a techphobe"

Ywnbaa - you will never be an artist
Cope seeth diffuse

>>6418454

>>6418461
I like how AI mispells everything, that's how I see words as I'm falling asleep and when I'm dreaming

>>6417718
Can't wait for chaos in the streets 40 years from now when humans aren't needed

>>6416955

>Please only publish work that either you own
>you own

kek

The ai will win, don't be like john henry and die trying to out do the machine

>>6417086

>it has be a derivative work of your own at a certain level

no no no no no...

That's not what AI "art" is all about pajeet san.

>>6417020
>And instead they bend over for silicon valley trannies.
You can literally train an AI to do this shit yourself, dumb faggot

>>6417330
Art fags are literally this dumb LMAO

>>6417853
>we dont know how the diffusion models work.
IMAGINE THAT LMAO

Teeheeheehee

>You can't tell if it is AI generat-ACK!

>>6417112
>gets copied by ai once
>fucking dies

>>6418723
if I get copied, I will befriend the fucker, and betray him at his lowest moment.

>>6418726
Tits or gtfo

>>6416955
So they will do nothing and it will ruin the site, gotcha

>>6418707
Dont worry, there will soon be AI that can filter this problem. After all they already made AI that can do WIP, because fuck you, die, dont be happy.

>>6417024
>just because you get more likes than someone does not inherently mean your post is more valuable or your criticism is more valid, than theirs
LMFAO
>Anon discovers why Democracy sucks

>>6417349
why are you so worried then
go make some bucks doing checkmarks

>>6418942

start practicing traditional medium. Post pen,pencil,markers short videos and images alongside your digital work.

Digital artist who are stuck on digital need to expand to traditional medium.

>>6419068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTjEi7O4Ic
Trads are not safe either. Plus I can just make model learned on photos of drawings, and it will give me the awkward shading caused by your own shadow as you are taking the picture, and also the background outside of your paper where we can see the table.

>>6419094

Process video showing you drawing on paper or just your hand.

live streaming.

>>6419053
i thought elon made those illegal.

>>6418942
You can spot the AI artifacts from the first picture

>>6419104
Are you implying that the img2video in 1 or 2 years from now wont be able to do it?

Also the same video shows you that style transfer existed more then 5 years ago, so the idea that just changing your artstyle will help you escape AI replacement is silly

>>6419144
Will be fixed soon, dont worry

>>6419228


Interact. Explain your art. Tell your life stories.

Be an actual human.

Don't just post and post.

I don't care if AI able to create an entire person. It will still lack the human aspect until we actually manage to make an actual Artificial Intelligence. Not some bot capable of only imitation.

It will be hard on those who lack self confidence and are extremely introvert but I think this is the next step artist, especially new artist have to do.

>>6417035
Pixiv, mostly weeb-style art, but allows porn as well, which is based.

>>6417609
>>people shouldn't act on what they believe and display it publicly
Spamming the ArtStation feed with lazy facebook-tier "activism" is fucking insufferable behavior and I wish AS would just permaban the users that engage in it. I don't care if it's BLM, Ukraine or AI, take that shit somewhere else.

>>6416955
AI is REAL ART
just because I can't draw doesn't mean I'm not a REAL ARTIST

Your elitism is showing.
Join or die a relic.

This AI madness at this moment is mass producing an army of Adolfs Hitlers, this is really fun to follow to be honest XD

>>6419611
Reminder that Midjurney CEO and founder is jew
Reminder that the new CEO of Deviantart is also a jew
Reminder that StabilityAI was funded and is ran by hedgefund manager
Reminder that OpenAI always takes years or months before it releases each product, and they always try to lobotomize so that people wont abuse their tech
Reminder that every single one of these companies stole more artwork and did more to harm artists intentionally then all of Chinese BigTech which we are supposed to be competing with

>>6419275
Nah.

>>6419611
LOL I thought it was just me
I welcome the future art fascist movements
>The techbro cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>6419611
>>6420203
I feel this energy.
I have nothing left to lose anyway, why shouldn't I sacrifice every fiber of my being towards genociding all AI spamming degens.

>>6416955
hahahaha trannies lost both twitter and their shitty source of commission fetish porn income

>>6417015
>>6417019
>>6417024
>>6419021
>>6417425
>>6417044
anons, artists are the trannies. just because your'e le hecking epic anon 4chan racists doesn't mean you're humans. you're a tranny too. you're a redditor. your board doesn't belong on this website.

>>6421138
>artists are the trannies
Does this mean anime is that too?

>>6421191
called tranime for a reason lad

>>6421138
>artists are the trannies
put your programmer socks back on and fuck off to /g/

>>6421778
i'm from /int/ though

I didn’t know this was going on. So going on ArtStation and seeing this shit is infuriating. The one professional site for art is inundated with this. Then the next fucking image I click is fucking AI dogshit. Braindead response.

>>6422138
The Chinese have been photobashing for years on that site and getting to the top. It was a glorified coom site anyway.