/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6416322
>there's no difference if you do stuff that actually requires being able to draw
Wow, OP how did you come to such revelation?
Hide, report and sage.

>>6416322
Based normie artists, fuck AIdditors

>It's literally impossible to say say the difference if you run IA art through various filters, photobashing and ovrrpainting
HELP ME RHAJESH I GOT PINK EYE AFTER TOUCHING FACE WITH LEFT HAND
I CANT SEE
NOOOOOOO

>>6416323
No, what I am saying is that there is no way to purge 100% of AI artists on Artstation or other platforms because no way to tell the difference. The lines are blurry when a pro artist uses AI image as let's say underpainting or sketch

>>6416322
these threads get deleted because? offsite drama? but this is a big deal! lots of us use artstation! these discussions need to happen here too.

>>6416322
>literally impossible
Ok, show me.

what if we dump ccp or disney stuff to AI

>>6416322
woah its almost like art is about making stuff that looks good

>>6416333

>>6416332
Probably cause it's a slow board and mods don't want it to be flooded by ai drama

>What is the the heck is going on? How do you even tell AI art from "traditional digital art"?
Classification network, which is a basic form of neural network.

>>6416340
that was painted. also I remember this artist getting in trouble for stealing the armor from a photo. 10 years ago?

>>6416347
Found it.

>>6416322
Doesnt matter. Fuck pajeets

>>6416340
>>6416347
>>6416352
wtf. that's almost as if he used ai.

>>6416334
dump cp and gore to ai that would completely destroy it

>>6416360
Funnily enough, that's already part of the training database as far as I know

>>6416352
Literally shameless. These "artists" should also get cancelled

>>6416352
Kek

>>6416331
Guarantee you’ll get most of them through user reporting. Their body of work and posting rate will be proof enough. The rest will get snitched on.

>>6416322
what's retopo?

>>6416359
Uh huh. And if he used AI he would be found out too. Maybe not the first image, but he will get sloppy. a little artifact left unchecked, a face or shape he thought was a nice detail but was part of another artists work(sad keanu) . eventually the flaws could all be hidden yes, but I did say show me that it is "literally impossible" to tell, and that has not happened yet.

>>6416372
Retopology. Making highres meshes lower res, suitable for games and animation. A tedious task only the utmost autists enjoy.

>>6416334
This is unrelated but someone on midjourney got banned because he tried to sell midjourney generated mickey mouse t-shirt

>>6416393
Kek these ai companies are probably getting scared of the increasing backlash. People went from being neutral/excited about ai art to being utterly repulsed by in the span of like two months.

>>6416393
>you can free your creativity and do what you want
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THAT
lmao

>>6416393
>touching the mouse
uh oh

>>6416393
Feed them Nintendo characters and we all know how things go when Nintendo finds out a copyright infringement.

>>6416322
They check their fingers

>>6416406
I have some news for you anon:
>https://haveibeentrained.com/?search_text=super%20mario
Also notice how much porn there is kek

>>6416393
Despite Disney's controversy, the mouse is still easiest way to gain money from children, of course they will try

>>6416393
wait why was the post your replied to got deleted? are we not allowed to do that anymore?

>>6416322
is this the thread?

>>6416445

>>6416445
pro ai jannies suck horse dick

>>6416322
>solve climate change

>>6416450
>pro ai jannies
proof?

>>6416369
>Their body of work and posting rate will be proof enough

Speaking of posting rate of profiles, here's a interesting little thing I found to be consistent recently. Look up any of all the stories online about "I made a children's book using AI" that have been showing up for the past few months. Out of all that I found of people making them, it was like only around a couple that seemed like normal non-art non-tech people. The rest however have blog profiles or social media profiles on twitter/reddit showing that they are part of some tech marketing company or pushing NFTs.

>>6416322
Why was the last thread about this deleted, meanwhile there are countless AI spam threads up on a daily basis here?

>>6416393
All that needs to happen is that these ai companies step on the toes of any big corporation and they are fucked.

>>6416475
Jannies are probably on a early Christmas leave.

>>6416455
Here is deleted thread from Monday
>>6415738

>>6416477
lmao
https://designer.microsoft.com/

>>6416455
>>6416475
It's pretty clear at this point that they are the ones pushing the AI threads and banning anyone complaining about them or opposed to AI, like the thread yesterday talking about an anti AI art protest on one of the largest art websites online. Then again, mods deleting threads that are ontopic while allowing shitposting threads seems to be a running theme across all boards on this site for some reason.

>>6416484
It's probably just one jannie.
Because they were removing every AI thread till last week.

https://www.artstation.com/?sort_by=trending
wtf how could artists do this to us

>>6416487
BASED. Steve Zapata is streaming about it right now.

This won't accomplish anything and most of these people will eventually cave in and start using A.I.

>>6416516
but it feels good right now
solidarity bros!
lmao

One day they will be calling true artists "chuds", because why would you learn to draw when you can use a word-filtered A.I? The only way to get artwork that features Hitler or other controversial figures or imagery will be to commission.

>>6416516
>This won't accomplish anything
Artstation (the company) might notice. Just a hunch.

>>6416524
to waste such large amount of time to make silly drawings is inherently reactionary and suspect... probably

>>6416525
no, unless they make money off the artist directly, it will stop nothing they weren't already going to do

The shitposter learned how to use mobile data to refresh his IP didn't he?

>>6416516
reminder that you will never be an artist. it's impossible for you, because of your erroneous mindset

>>6416528
It's a PR issue. Also, even if Artstation takes no action, pushback influences the culture.
But your concern has been noted. lol

>>6416487
Holy shit it's like another holocaust of AIfags but this time fr. I should probably delete all my AI stuff from the portfolio asap before my clients find out.

Digital artists being schizos, what else is new. Go learn trad faggots

>>6416535
>normal shitposting fails
>tries to brag about trad
You should make a bot to shitpost, it's pretty much the same modus operandi everytime.

>>6416535
learn both

>>6416532
>picrel
these people are depressing, they actually never tried to make anything by themselves

>>6416536
yes, the message is the same, because truth never changes: digital is garbage
learn to draw
faggot

>>6416540
pyw if you want to shitpost about skill.
But I know you won't because you're the usual AI shitposter.

>>6416322
Whiny fuck losers

>>6416541
pyw first, oh wait you live in absolute fear aifags will rip you off that you can barely pee straight, lmao

>>6416540
Yeah digital is garbage and learning trad is the best safeguard against ai.
But that's no excuse to be a stealth ai cuck.

>>6416516
Sadly this. The bag is already under the cat's testicles.

>>6416516
based

>>6416511
I just looked it up and saw that he brought up a good point. One of the many examples of AIfags not knowing how art or the professional world works is how they think companies would want to uses these programs. Companies have legal teams specifically used to check if the artists they hired use photobashes or AI datasets with copyrighted material so they don't have to deal with the litigation.

>>6416322
> if you run IA art through various filters, photobashing and ovrrpainting
It’s not AI anymore if you actually add that much human input, especially overpaint.

>>6416560
>https://www.artstation.com/?sort_by=trending
>overpaint
Is this something new? There's inpainting, outpainting. Is there a new technique now?

>>6416563
>new
Lurk more AIFAG. Better, GTFO

>>6416559
Copyright only applies to images that are just copies.
It's in the name.
You can't copyright a style.
Else everyone on this board would be sued to oblivion.

>>6416564
/ic/ lost

>>6416543
>NOOOOOO LET ME STEAL FROM YOU SIIIIIR

Aren't tracers out there making some really good bucks? What is stopping them from using AI instead

>>6416572
Skill or ego issue

>>6416347
>that was painted
It really wasn't, he just used img2img.

>>6416576
>image from 2013
SD can now timetravel too.
woah.

>>6416576
Imagine all manga done in that overly cute rendering, I would die of cuteness

>Copyright only applies to images that are just copies.
>It's in the name.
what the fuck are you 3rd worlders on about, i hope you guys are only pretending to be this retarded

>>6416322
>Attempt to protest AI
>In the process shit up your platform even more than before
>profit?!?!?!?

>>6416580
This is how copyrights work outside your bubble

>>6416577
skynet actually directed Terminator1. ze time is a flat circus

>>6416487
>>6416322
Not good. Son of a bitch,! Motherfucke. That's a very bad morning Sirs. It's not needful to protest AI. Live and let live.

>>6416565
>you can't copyright a style
sure but its not like style exists independent of images. No images in the dataset = no style, simple as.
>An machine learning algorithm learns to make images in the same way humans do
literally no one actually believes this, not even you

>>6416559
Another good point he brought up I don't see often, the scale problem, if OpenAI had just picked one artist to train on(no laion datasets) and released the model without consent from the artist, everyone would have a problem with that. nobody would argue that art styles can't be copyrighted etc etc. But because they stole from millions... the scale of the theft is so big people just shrug, big number, does not compute...

>>6416538
of course not. i never did so either, and it's painful. but I at least admit my pathetic ways. currently learning to draw so I can switch from consumerist hobby to productive one

>>6416322
Artstation WILL bend the knee

>>6416587
>literally no one actually believes this, not even you
Humans are just computers with organic circuitry.
Debate me.

.. Not like this AIsistersbros..
It's over...

>>6416516
>>6416549
>>6416553
>giving up so easily.

>>6416594
As if there was any doubt that AI shitposters just spam any board.
I wish jannies did their fucking job.

>>6416516
>stable diffusion 2 neutered
>lawsuits setting precedent in illegally scraping public data
>China makes AI thats not watermarked ILLEGAL
>Artstation will get spammed with anti ai images until the bend the knee (they will)
>"t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-this wont accomplish a-a-a-anything! (R-right bros?QQ)
fucking kek

>>6416595

Be honest with yourself. Why would anyone pay you to make art when the ai can shit out art that's 10 times better and 1000 times faster.

>>6416593
I revise my previous statement, It doesn't matter if you actually believe it because no one else does

>>6416322
Trad Chad's win again.

>>6416593
that's like saying humans are just a collection of atoms

>it's another horse carriage drivers yells at cars thread

>>6416607
You really put your foot in it, baby

>>6416596
The janors are the ai shitposters

>>6416612
How am I supposed to argue against a fact?

>>6416603
-2.1 brought back most of the artists
-nothing happened yet, but settling the issue is good
-dog-eaters do not matter
-artstation should do what it wants, ai art should be tagged as such
-artfags already hate ai, how dos this change people already working on ai and those who keep prompting?

This fear of AI art is just overexaggerated by insecure small dick artists. People will still get to real human artist for serious art commission.

>>6416619
>-nothing happened yet, but settling the issue is good
it already happened
>dog-eaters do not matter
if even the dog eaters are making it illegal, you pajeets should be sweating

>>6416622
big dick energy post

>>6416606
imagine being this much of a cuck

>>6416625
what happened, link?
and chinks require ai art to be tagged, they aren't banning it, no one who isn't trying to trick people should be against that

>>6416593
While it is true that the human brain can be thought of as a biological computer, there are some important differences between the two. For one, computers are typically designed to perform specific tasks, whereas the human brain is capable of a much wider range of functions, including sensory perception, movement, and abstract thought. Additionally, computers are built using artificial materials, whereas the human brain is made up of complex networks of neurons and other cells.

Another key difference is the way that computers and the human brain process information. Computers use a binary system of zeros and ones to store and manipulate data, whereas the human brain uses complex networks of neurons to encode and process information. This means that the human brain is capable of parallel processing, where multiple tasks can be carried out simultaneously, whereas most computers are limited to sequential processing, where tasks are carried out one at a time.

Overall, while there are some similarities between the human brain and a computer, there are also many important differences that make the two very different in terms of their capabilities and the way they process information.

>>6416622
Yep. I'm 7.5" and I don't have any worries about AI.

>and chinks require ai art to be tagged, they aren't banning it
nigger don't pretend to not have read the previous post
>link
Linkedin vs HiQ

>>6416632
>no link
>too scared to even reply
lmao, I accept your concession

>>6416627
> non argument
pyw

>>6416526
>purely reactionary I suspect...
well anon here's a reaction image made into a twitch emote

>>6416634
>HoW Do I UsE GoOgLE
bro neck yourself seriously. Final (You)

>>6416637
lmao
hilarious even
don't ever reply back, cuck

>>6416629
>For one, computers are typically designed to perform specific tasks, whereas the human brain is capable of a much wider range of functions, including sensory perception, movement, and abstract thought.
Slave trade in Africa became big because instead of allowing humans to flourish and have actual useful professions, it was just easier and profitable to just sell them as slaves, a single-use machine.

>artificial materials
lmao what

>This means that the human brain is capable of parallel processing, where multiple tasks can be carried out simultaneously,
4coresmorewhores

>that make the two very different in terms of their capabilities and the way they process information.
both clearly have not reached their limits and would be ignorant to state their capabilities

>6416639
Gotta love the pajeet tears clawing at what ever they can. Hurling insults, arguing semantics. Do what you must Raj, we're winning

>>6416643
LMAO
even a pepe too

>>6416641
>Slave trade in Africa became big because instead of allowing humans to flourish and have actual useful professions, it was just easier and profitable to just sell them as slaves, a single-use machine.
You're the retard with the burger example yesterday aren't you?

>>6416445
>dat tummy

>>6416644
>>6416643
>>6416639
>>6416637
you guys should fuck already

>>6416645
No, your argument is just that full of holes.

>>6416646
I only use ai to make lolis.
I sure am not going to draw it and none of you will.

>slapping f5 to see if someone responded
sure smells like rdrama in here. Only people of their kind are that starved for attention

>>6416651
These are very exciting times, before ai shit, what was there to talk about, new chink tablet, latest twitter plagiarism drama?

>>6416641
Africans had slave trave even before that and it was a big industry for them. Not to mention Europeans bought out from local slave traders anyway. They didn't really enslave them.

>>6416655
>really
bruh

>>6416651
lol

>>6416650
you got me there

>>6416641
You are arguing with ChatGPT. notice the paragraph structure with the summation at the end. The overall tone. this is starting to happen a lot...

>>6416516
I don't understand this argument, like it's an inevitability that everybody will start using every scumbag method out there just because it's there and easy. I don't trace, I don't photobash, I don't shoop other peoples' work and incorporate it into my stuff. Why would I start using generated images?

>humans and computers both work with electricity, we're the same
>humans share 60% of their genes with tomatoes, we're practically tomatoes
>humans and rocks are all made of atoms, we're literally rocks

>>6416666
Checked, and yeah, I see this a lot, but I don't use photos, don't use 3d, almost don't use reference(just for cultural/historical stuff). I doubt never will. not my thing.

>>6416671
*I ever will

Now fr, why do trans women like AI art so much?

>>6416678

>>6416678
do they?
that's bad, I don't want to be mistaken for one of them... bros...

Why don't you let people enjoy things?

>>6416445
I wanna know your what's on your hard drive

>>6416593
>BUUUURP M-MORTY WE'RE ALL JUST BURP ORGANIC MACHINES MORTY BUUUUUUUURRRRRRRP
Yes, you are a flesh automaton animated by neurotransmitters, the universe is causally deterministic, we have no true free will, etc. etc. etc. You're cute and smart and a very big boy that we're very very proud of to have reached this incredible breakthrough with your gigantic universe brain IQ of 105 points.

But this argument is irrelevant. The fact remains that a machine learning algorithm and a human do not learn to make images in the same way. ML algorithms translate images mathematically into a set of hard numerical data that it then manipulates to create "new" images. It is a dumb, predictable algorithm, a tool, on orders of magnitudes upon orders of magnitudes less complex than a human mind. The term "intelligence" doesn't even apply here. This is not up for debate.
>>6416641
>um slaves existed because it was, like, um, profitable to sell them like they were like um single task machines so that makes them comparable to machine learning algorithms and robots somehow
This is what happens when we let midwits use computers. What kind of point even is this??? L'ing my A off R'ing on the F, IRL, in real life, right now.
Utilizing a general intelligence as a monotasker does not somehow automagically make it a singleminded algorithm, or even remotely comparable, you absolutely colossal retard. Not to mention that slaves and wagies, despite doing relatively simple repetitive tasks, are not doing mathematically precise monotasks like a robot arm in a factory would. If those tasks were THAT simple they'd already be automated by now.

>>6416686
no
if I suffer, so must you

>>6416687
nothing illegal under US law, sir ;)

>>6416686
>Stop liking what I don't like
No matter what anyone tells you it boils down to that.

>>6416686
but I enjoy my loli art

>>6416682
proko is a faggot ass shill

Aww did I touch a jannies nerve?

>>6416671
No, you don't understand, why would you make your own movie, when you can much more easily just team up with a corporation, add a couple lines in your signature style to a script that was previously approved by committee after they cobbed together scenes from a handful of online fanscripts and "rejected" submissions from industry hopefuls, then direct in the sense that you show up and tell some actors, who were chosen based on their favorable box office return to pay ratios, to "look mad here" for our behind the scenes documentary, and can then choose between Version A, B, or C of 90% CG shots sent back to us from our sweatshop (after first being approved by committee). After all that, you can slap your name on it and call it your own!

>>6416686
I enjoy stealing other people's property, molesting children and raping women. Just don't stop me bro ok?

I was reading about the history of art the other day. Apparently for thousands of years art was based on imitation, the concept is called Dionysian imitatio. It was only around the 18th century that the idea of romantic originality was invented

>Dionysian imitatio is the influential literary method of imitation as formulated by Greek author Dionysius of Halicarnassus in the first century BCE, which conceived it as the rhetoric practice of emulating, adaptating, reworking and enriching a source text by an earlier author. It marked the beginning of the doctrine of imitation, which dominated the Western history of art up until 18th century, when the notion of romantic originality was introduced.

So this ai, AI merely imitates, it can not create a work of originality or genius, it has no emotions.
It has turned the art world over night into neo romantics!

I think this is the beginning of the end of post modernism and the beggning of a new romanticism

>>6416688
based

Do these guys really think that this is how the AI works or that people train models 24/7 based on web scraping random pictures and tag the training data based on comments? Seeing things like this makes me giggle, it's so silly.

>>6416731
No, they train models based on crowd funding to pay people to scrape the web for images and then tag them.

>>6416651
*(You)*
Do you feel that endorfine flowing through your neovulva?

>>6416731
>he doesn't understand that the person is making a joke at the expense of proompters
Terminal autism

>>6416322
If anything, it makes me happy seeing so many people banding together to take down a great evil. Even if we might have differences, we put them aside and work as one when it comes to fighting this ai threat

Makes me believe humanity still has a smidge of soul left

>>6416768

>>6416718
>I think this is the beginning of the end of post modernism and the beggning of a new romanticism
Hopefully.
AI is the final form of postmodernism—an endless regurgitation of imagery, styles and forms within a virtual space, no narrative, and no connection to the material. Pure simulacrum.
A reaction is brewing. I welcome neo-romanticists, let's go.

>>6416622
idc I'm never gonna draw for money but I don't want parasites to make money off my back

>>6416804
>I welcome neo-romanticists, let's go.
What does that even mean irl?
I started 16 years ago as a traditional painter, then switched to digital in 2012, and finally implemented AI in my workflow zis summer when all ze AI boom happened. Does that mean I should go back to traditional art and merge sketches by skynet with gouache?

Picrel are 100% AI generations. 0 touchups. Thoughts?

>>6416813
i think it would mean an emphasis on human emotions, something an AI can not replicate because all it does is imitate

>>6416813
Who knows exactly how a movement will manifest, but a rebellious (some would say reactionary) movement against ai would likely involve a return to traditional mediums, imperfection, humanity, subjectivity, individuality, and nature—everything ai imagery is not.
I would keep painting.

>>6416886
Mind blowing these up, higher res? The problem I see with the 'better' ai images is that they look fine as thumbnails but still look like shit close up.
It usually makes them unsuitable for production (like a large poster or vinyl album cover). If you've ever seen an original piece of traditional art you know the magic is in the details. I'd swear most of these people who gush over ai imagery never stepped foot in an art museum or gallery (imagine that).

>>6416909
>>6416912
>>6416804
These posts were generated by artificial intelligence (probably dalle chat bot). Do not fall for their tricks fellow Anons, we have been raided by Skynet.

>>6416768
contrary to the /g/shitter gaslighting, people who draw for a living actually do enjoy drawing

>>6416922
That is not possible. If only...

>>6416922
ai chat bot who advocates for a movement against ai? based.

>>6416689
Based oldfag

>>6416920
I think it's detailed more than enough. Just need to fix minor details mainly in anatomy. Otherwise it's very appealing and soulful imaginery.

>>6416886
seems like ai struggles with perspective

>>6416886

>>6416886
How did it feel to make these images? How close are they to the images you had in mind?

>>6417168
gotta make sure to remove that signature

>>6416322
Kek, this is what will happen with women when artificial wombs are released. Less crying and more painting. If they cannot beat an AI at making true art, then they are not true artists.

>>6417190
ywnbaw

>>6417175
I didn't make them. I tried to play with AI but I get bored erry time. You need to be a real npc autist to truly enjoy proompting.

>>6417168
What signature?

>>6417448
>ywnbaw
As if anyone with a neuron not to shit himself would like to be one.

Keep seething, AI is here to stay, you "artists" are a dime a dozen and you soon will be on suicide watch. kek,

>>6417511
this was meant for this
>>6417321

>>6417511
ywnbaa

I like how artists parrot "Great artists steal" – until it bites them in the ass lol.

>>6417733
You should spend less time collecting le epic anime girl reaction pics and more time actually drawing, mikutranny. No one parrots that shit, stealing has been vilified both outside and inside of artist communities since forever and people have lost their jobs for it.

>>6417511
Oh no! Anyways.

Is there an AI art or is this the AI art thread?
I have some questions regarding AI art.

>>6417823
It's on /g/

>>6416331

Good, FUCK drawfaggots from Artstation. Unoriginal bugmen and dumb skanks to the last, now the will be working at gas stations.

GOOD RIDDANCE ONIONS HIPSTER FAGGOTS RIP YOUR "ART" WAS SHIT

.

>>6418086
>unoriginal
says the fa/g/ who even given something that could "tell" their stories it's always for some reason AI dick sucking and robo fetishism. They're the living embodiment of both monkey memes of typewriters and neuron activation

>>6418086
Who cares if their art was all WoW generic garbage. Them losing is also you losing. You are on the same boat as them, unless you are not artistic in any way.

>>6416516
You will die so better end yourself now.

>>6416524
>Why would I learn to cook when I can microwave prepared meals?
Even in your human fallibility you fail as a human. Once we abandon the things that made you human what will you be?

Human can't feel love anymore... :(

>>6417918
Thank you very much Anon ;)

>>6416322
That's funny

>>6419054

This is the kind of shit we'll be seeing on arstation...

low quality trash...

I decided to make an art station account. To better show my skills and express my creativity.

>>6419891
That's not how AI work buddy, there's no real time training happening.

>>6416484
There are coordinated efforts by both professional and amateur groups to make this site less usable or enjoyable out of a fear of hateful content or an opposition to some perceived ideological disagreement.

>>6416731
Hes mocking the image posted you retard

>>6416886
Seems like a good way to generate ideas or create some color roughs

What do you even use to make these? MJ?

>>6416322
lmao that's such a retarded statement to make. AI go solve other issues first!!! stay away from art!!!!

You do realize this is not how the world works, right? Many people make AI projects for money in different fields, mainly field they have some experience in. If you are an artist or you have connections to the art world and want to make some AI business, you will probably do it in the art field. You can't pause 99% of the ai projects just because ai hasn't found cure for cancer yet HAHAHAHHA dumb faggots

>>6420815
what is a real job to you nigga. Because you sure don't actually like people being able to find work and y'all keep saying about people going be homeless or out of work. What does your AI even provide that the common person should even help fund it and even then from what it looked like it funded more free porn to the masses. So tax fun well spent IC
Last time I checked most health insurance didn't decrease so people don't like going to the hospital when they should at times. Prices are only increasing. We already have the internet for near infinite media already. What is it suppose to provide or problem solved

>be poorfag wog
>have massive inferiority complex because his shithole accomplished nothing
>cope with art because you can't produce anything meaningful
>for millennium these coping browns generate a mythos that they have value because of muh art
>a random pajeet using english invention #2835235, #874135 and #94813 kills your entire mythos and livelihood overnight
>still be absolutely seething months later

I don't think we've ever dabbed on a group so hard. It's especially lovely since artists are such a contemptible lot of freaks

i know you're all NEETs and quasiNEETs who don't understand how capitalism works, but maybe you've heard of GPT-3. The text equivalent of diffusion image generation algorithms.

That was bought by Microsoft. You may have heard of them. It's core to their entire strategy for the next decade+

This will not go away. It will be bought by Disney or similar (or they will develop their own in-house) and it will become your greatest nightmare.

Start finding real jobs.