/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6411126
Are these from imagination?
They're good either way

I should probably use the spheres/boxes even when I'm drawing from a photo, right? The whole thing is a mess but I think the most egregious thing is that I failed to put the eyes in perspective (and the nose is fucked up too) which messed up the whole pose.
I'm a complete beginner btw, please be gentle.

I thank the Lord for today. In the name of Jesus. When you have a moment to draw and sit in peace and thank God. Amen.

What did he mean by this?

>>6411135
Yeah they are from imagination, i was thinking of drawing spiderman but turned it into a thor type sketch. Thanks btw.

Arnold Schwarzenigger study

>>6411198
Moist

Is this a good schedule for 8 hours of daily drawing if my goal is an art style more based on lineart and detailing like pic related for character art, NSFW and mechanical design? (I don't care much for rendering skills)
>3 hours spent on studying fundamentals and studying references/photos/art I like
>1 hour training myself to daw in a more doodling/rgkg way
>4 hours drawing what I like normally and pushing my limits very often

Drawing isn't even fun

>>6411219
it is when it Clicks™

I’m really enjoying these types of faces that im making recently, with more planar/painterly aspects. So im just wondering if other find it appealing as well? Obviously with more rendering they’d be even better, but I wanted to gauge the general vibe


>>6411218
Brother that is a better schedule than 99% of the people trying to study art, just dont burn yourself out

>>6411219
Depends on how much pressure you put on yourself

Overall happy with how this came out, feel like I'm starting to get a feel for perspective drawing.
Reluctant to put the strong shadows on the road for this one, I tried suggesting them with some pencil but it doesnt really make sense when I've used the dark pen for everything else, input on that would be appreciated.

>>6411241
Look nice to me

>>6411153
Very nice

>>6411145
Looks good. You've touched on stuff I'd point out in your comment, I'd also say the lips are drawing my eye as being off. Maybe you can try and work more of the lighting into this piece.

>>6411241
Looks nice, anon. Would love to see more.

>>6411252

>>6411252
If you go strong with dark shadows. Start on the foreground edges and work your way in.

Pen strokes are wide, and they have covered space that could have been used for small important details in the focal point area.

It's a good sketch.

>>6411253
Thanks anon, ill keep posting more as I make them

>>6411252
Looks good anon, I’ve seen some urban sketchers make amazing stuff with watercolors in their shadows so maybe that’s something to consider

>>6411284
i like the skirt
limbs pretty noodly, might want to study legs and arms more
also looks like she is falling backwards, is she supposed to be sitting on an invisible chair or standing? not really clear

Hey how is the line weight and flats of this. Just getting started learning how to render stuff.

>>6410927
Fuck I'm not sure if I could because this idea is just in my head, I suppose wood block prints are the closest?
Basically I want to learn how to draw non human things and later also how to best learn how to use water colour paints
I've done some research and I've decided to just draw cubes for now

It always comes out scribbly when I don't use reference

wip

no sqtddtot. I can't figure out why some cylinders have a core shadow and some don't, is it the size of the light? is it so "wide" that it rolls around to the other side? I feel so retarded

Still doing ink painting for my 50 / 50 with draw a box. Might come back to work on the reflections in the water since they feel like they're missing sonething.

From previous thread

>>6411373

>>6411376
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>>6411378
..

>>6411380
1

>>6411297
>>6411297
Any tips on shading and highlighting? Think I might have made the highlights too light.

i’m shit at drawing through forms and making boxes seen from above. what’s good practice?

>>6411404
nice yoshinari

>>6411268
Cheers, Not sure what you mean with working my way in with the shadows.

>>6411269
Cheers, yeah I like a lot of the urban sketch style and its something I want to do. I actually started a version of this in watercolour but didnt feel like I could sketch it properly which is why I made this Pen piece on shitty paper first.

>>6411383
easy with the airbrush/blur tool, you can make a drawing look way worse if you use it mindlessly
the highlights on that reference's hair are actually way brighter than yours
they also shifted the hue from brown to orangeish the further you go up the hair while yours just stays the same hue
try experimenting with the color picker and you'll catch a lot of interesting things

>>6411383
This makes me want to hurl

>>6411383
This is so fucking bad its almost comical, you should quit forever unironically

>>6411449
kys crab

>>6411450
>crab
You have the audacity to fucking tell me that looks good in any regard?

>>6411451
do you even know what crab means retard

just watched a yt tutorial about this, made a quick infograph for CSP cause the guy was using PS, fuck PS.
Here's the vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgpF_pRB42w&t=217s
I love you all

>>6411456
If you think that looks good you'll literally ngmi. It's not being a fucking crab, its true

>>6411427
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for that.

>>6411444
I'm sorry it makes you want to hurl don't worry I'll get better!

>>6411449
I'm sorry but I really like doing art so I can't quit. Hopefully one day I can be good enough to reach your standards!

>>6411383
Focus on your lines first. And how to draw. Don't even bother with colour yet

>>6411471
Yea I noticed my lines were pretty crappy I was having way too much fun with the colors though.

Maybe the wrong thread to ask this but when you post something on pixiv and there's a check box for "original work", what does that mean exactly? Something you made yourself or something that's not fanart

>>6411479
I literally have no clue but It might be so you can filter aijeets

>>6411479
idk either, but I always check that shit, even when uploading fan art
>>6411483
there a separate checkbox for that lel

>>6411373
I hope you find a sketch book.

Is grinding boxes and shapes the best way to fully understand form?

>>6411512
shading helped me

>>6411218
>rgkg way
?

>>6411478
her hair is a nightmare anyway, but yeah, that mouth and eyes are too offputing
and the head/hair ratio is wrong

should I end it?

>>6411578
reference

2021

>>6411354
look up bounce light anon. it's basically light that bounces off the ground/wall and refects

Versus

>>6411582
Vs 2022

>>6411582

my lines are very jaggy in CSP how do if ix?

>>6411597
100 stabilization

Is it true that you must be able to create beautiful 2D works before you can begin trying to grind 3D forms

>>6411600
Sort of but not really, I will try reinstalling drivers.

>>6411601
wat

>>6411606
Like if you can’t even draw nice 2D portrait why even grind 3D forms and all these fundamentals. Because I’m just giving myself a headache over this shite but whenever I just draw 2d shapes they look like shit anyways.
So like wher does the ultimate beggiemr start who doesn’t even understand 2d shapes and how they work with each other

beg here
my canvas is blank

>>6411622
draw a dick right now

>drawing your character at that one angle where they always look bad
i-it's not me I swear, real humans have bad angles too

>>6411623
Is that allowed?

>>6411627
yeah

>>6411623
My first dick for anon

No art this weekend, but I figured out how to make pizza dough from scratch. So that's something. Maybe I'll draw food later, who knows.
Here's a watercolor pencil drawing I posted at the end of the thread before last. You can make fun of me if you like.

>>6411644
based

What brushes should I be sketching with in CSP? G-Pen? Real-pencil?

>>6411653
I just use a basic hard round brush with opacity jitter for almost everything
if it's a sketch I'll just make the brush size smaller

>>6411339
this is really pretty, anon
the shoes are my fav part

>>6411656
Is that something I have to make myself? Sorry for the idiot questions, I should see if theres a crash course for CSP.

>>6411660
yeah I think I just followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbJYAVmghk
and made some personal adjustments over time

>>6411620
I think for the absolute beginner, line is the most important but I'm not that good myself so yeah

is it possible to only see 2 sides of a box instead of 3

>>6411717
its possible to only see 1

>>6411717
If it's perfectly level why not? Same with what the other poster said

I've been trying to study anatomy. Hips mainly, do I have the right idea so far?

>>6411725
Why are you so horny

>>6411725
have you studied anything besides anatomy?

>>6411730
Haven't fapped in 3 days
>>6411731
Sort of. I've looked at videos to see how other artists construct characters and tried sketching from reference. I was working on heads for a bit but too braindead for Loomis for now.

Hello beg. Yesterday i had crisis and only drew 5 gestures and then gave up. And tomorrow i will start working on secret santa drawing where bunch of discord trannies put into pool bunch of prompts and then you randomly get one and have to draw it as "gift" for its author. I will consider it as "test" of my progress.

>>6411647
That face is very rough and perspective is wrong. Dont forget to use reference as a beg
>>6411578
i would say cute but its turned bad way so nothing
>>6411591
>comparing colored VS not colored
>>6411479
original work is OC. When you draw sonic or mario that isnt original. But when you go and draw something and then name it: thats original
>>6411397
you practice drawing the forms by... drawing the forms
>>6411373
your figures are mogging mine. But anon why dont you glue the pic together so you dont end up spamming the thread with 5 pics?
>>6411359
very cool. The reflections in water are missing ripples and distortions. Like this it looks like its solid ice
>>6411310
thats why almost everybody does multi step process like gesture/sketch into lineart
>>6411218
Everything and everybody i have read/seen/heard said the same thing: as long as you are drawing (from references) or studying master works you will improve.
>>6411153
i kneel
>>6411725
https://archive.org/details/anatomy-for-sculptors/page/10

>>6411725
pelvises aren't triangles, they're much more complex 3D shapes. the iliac crest, sacrum/coccyx, and pubis are the most important features. I think Proko has a reasonable video on constructing the pelvis.

Your femurs are asymmetrical and too small. Everything is a flat contour.

I think I want to take the baal-buddy pill and never learn how to render, just lineart for days. Can't even do that though, yet.

I put the shadows on the wrong layer so I couldn't change the colour lol

>>6411383
hello hot stuff !

*bow tie twirl*

>>6411770
bottom right is pretty cool since you drew the ref from a totally different angle

>>6411761
I was trying to shortcut trying to draw the pelvis since I wasn't too sure how important 1:1 accuracy was and tried drawing from memory. I'll be honest, I was feeling tired and rushed the femur just to get it out of the way and have a guide for the thighs.

>>6411181
He's sorta right. Though everything he says is chronic "symbol drawing". If you draw and leave it at that, you'll never see improvement. If you draw and put your mind to it whilst drawing, you'll see gains immediately.

>>6411132
Wanna try and start drawing food art so critiques appreciated.
Since no one on social media barely dares to provide critique anyway this is the only place I can get honest advice.

I'm struggling with construction lines. Any tips?

>>6411904
very nice, tangent with the cream though

>>6411907
>construction lines.
wym?

>>6411241
I started colouring with this sort of 'painterly' method because I can't do lineart for shit. So far, this is the only method I know to colour but compared to doing lineart, fill and using masks this method is more time consuming imo.

Loving the drawing so far anon. Try experimenting with other skin colours and different coloured highlights to really make the facial features pop up.

>>6411922

>>6411647
I can see the effort but I think you should practice drawing simpler portraits first like profile or 3/4 head rather than jumping in to top angled heads.

>>6411934
just use Loomis? I don't see any construction on your drawings

>>6411941
That's because I don't know how to apply it to live models. I just started anatomy.

>>6411934
the red lines in this image aren't construction lines, they're actually just to highlight the proportions of the face. the sliced circle visible in the column to the left is the only notable construction going on.

Tried to construct this one, how'd it turn out?

>>6411988
So, do I apply highlights as well when I'm drawing from life or only some circles and ellipses?

What do I do if I want to start drawing? I tried drawing things I wanted to draw for a few years but they all looked horrible and so I think just doing what I was doing is the wrong approach

>>6411996
Keep drawing and you will eventually internalize basic proportions. Some artists rely heavily on construction (e.g. Loomis), others just go for it and count on their skill to lead them to the right place (e.g. Kim Jung Gi). Don't worry so much about which camp you fall into, or what you're putting on the page, just keep putting *something* on the page.

I fixed the spaghetti hair and shaded it a little bit

>>6412014
All right, thanks, will do!

>>6412010
Drawing from imagination is a skill you need to learn like anything else, and even then you aren't really drawing from imagination you are drawing from what you know and have seen.

You also need to change the mindset of "Oh that looks horrible/came out horrible" to something more positive, everyone starts somewhere.

Try reference drawing, how to draw by scott robertson, keys to drawing by bert dodson. There are structured lessons and shit in there you can follow along with, keys to drawing in particular covers mental issues like the one you're having with negativity.

>>6412023
Sorry it's not just drawing from imagination it's also trying to draw from a photograph
And I get that drawings are going to be horrible at the start but I tried drawing daily for about 5 years in a non dedicated way and I didn't make any improvements
I'll look for those books though, thank you for the reply

>>6412032
Reference drawing is also a skill, you get better the more you do it.
I'd also recommend Brent Eviston if you can find his video course for free somewhere. They all cover some level of fundamentals.

>>6412014
Kim Jung Gi also uses construction, he keeps it in his head though

>>6411373
>>6411376
>>6411378
>>6411380
>>6411381
What did you use to study proportions and dynamism? These are pretty good

Progress. This will take many more hours but I’m really liking how it’s turning out

>>6411937
Post of the problem is copying my original. The pencil version is better.
>>6411745
>Reference
If I wanted to copy a photo, I'd just do that.

>>6412150
based kerberos poster

>>6412021
this looks cool but the face looks a bit skewed, also how big is this drawing? You managed to get an impressive amount of detail!

i stepped away from drawing for awhile and now i don't even know where to begin
i hate this bros..

>>6411904
perspective seems off and like the anon said the tangent makes it look 2d

>>6411904
Very nice anon. But it’s hard to distinct the cake from the plate because the colors are so blurred together. If you want the cake to be the focal point, I’d suggest you differentiate them by making the cake’s edges harder.

>>6411132
Can someone give me a redline?
I know something is wrong. I just don't know what

>>6411578
I think this one is better

>>6411919
>>6412411
>>6412412

Thanks guys, I already uploaded it though, but I'll keep this in mind for my next drawing.

Much appreciated.

Tried studying from stonehouse. Does anyone have advice for getting the most out of anatomy studies?

>>6412416
I just turned off my computer anon but from what I can see, the left elbow is too high up the arm. I suspect that you are following the position of the right arm but the right elbow is somewhat correct because there's foreshortening for her boobs.

Also this might just be nitpick but her boobs are too high up her chest.

>>6411373
wish i could draw like that

I forget why I bought fluid acrylic (I normally never do - easier to start with heavy and loosen as needed) but I tried to use it up on the background of this. It still doesn't look flat enough but I'm done fucking around with it.

>>6411457
why not just use normal layers?

>>6412473
I found that drawing the major muscles from memory really helped me understood anatomy better

Slacking on my Bridgman studies, but trying to pick it back up again.

Do you guys think this is a good schedule or should change or add anything else?

>>6412722
When do you guys have time for work?

>>6412733
I don't.
I am a worthless parasite
But maybe if I get good enough at art I can stop being one

>>6412733
If you want to become an artist you must either be already rich or a neet living with his parents. There is no other way. It is not a job for normal people.

>>6412739
What about a third-worlder viewing it as a hobby and a small potential gig on the side? I imagine it is perfect if you have low spending + wealthy clients eventually. Can't imagine how being an artist works in any of the wealthy contries where you can get better money by flipping burgers.

>>6412746
You won't improve much as a hobbyist. Good artists make art their own lifestyle

>>6412739
Me, Im a neet living off savings from being a wagecuck previously. I know I cant keep it up much longer as Im running out of cash, but it was nice while it lasted.

What's the best place to adversize/sell prints? Im trying to make at least something off painting.

Fuck you!

>>6412722
Please add a 2 hour slot for working out outside
Keep your body and mind healthy

>>6412866
Is that really necessary?
If it is are jumping jacks and some stretching good enough?

>>6412874
No, cardio.
Keep your heart and lungs pumping so you can have more blood and air.

It's not necessary, it's vital if you don't want to burn out and become depressed.

Note: discipline for working out is a skill by itself. Start with just 5 mins a day

>>6412810
*takes your drawing hand in my hands to gently warm it up*
Tell us what's wrong little fella.

>>6412878
I'm already in that hole, trying to use art as a to stop being self destructive
Thanks for the tips! I guess I'll run in the mornings

idk where else to ask but I have a CSP license question:
I already bought the pro edition back in like 2021, can I upgrade to 2.0 or should I just buy it again?

Is the underside of the frog too dark?
I'm wondering what the best way to shade the chest/legs would be using a monochrome palette.

>>6412934
use a big brush and group the tones together

>>6411145
Can you post original ref full size?

>>6412934
classic tom fluharty course lol

>>6412934
Convert both to grayscale and compare the values.

I struggle with constructing figures from boxes and how the pieces should be oriented. Is there someone that explains it well, or is it more of an issue with me being poor at boxes and 3d shapes in perspective, which I know is also an issue? If that's the case, would something like DAB be useful there or is there something else I'm better off with? I went through the 94 perspective series but found it difficult to apply besides room interiors and architecture.

>>6411397
example: what went terribly wrong here? the side filled in is the one facing you.

Today’s exercise

>>6413234
That's the problem with DAB, the fucker that runs it doesn't actually know how to draw people.
In no uncertain terms sir, you've been DAB'ed on.

>>6413268
Sorry if that was unclear, I haven't gone through it, I was curious if it covered what I was looking for. I went through Vandruffs perspective videos but I'm unsure whats best for rotating boxes around.

>>6413274
What's your knowledge level on general anatomy though? construction is more of a suggestion for your lines, getting the box just right won't help at all if you don't even know what you're drawing in the first place.

>>6412416
Cant redline currently but i will soon.

>>6413303
>>6412416
I made the shoulders smaller and the face a little bigger
Not sure if this is better now.

I'll wait for your a day before I go and color this

>>6412775
Why the doomerism?

Drawing rocks from reference, focusing mostly on form and construction although also doing a bit of shading

>>6413256
her nose seems to be dsplaced

>>6413284
Not him but is that my all my figures suck even with references? Is anatomy that important?

>>6413376
Guess I know what to study next.

>>6413411
post some of your figures?

Anything plain wrong with this? I did the sitting pose first and later tried to awkwardly draw a chair or a couch. Made it even harder for myself deciding to add a cape to her so it's supposed to be squished in there.
And God knows if the angle on the room is right, but I woke up today after dreaming I was reading some very detailed manga chapters and I couldn't believe my brain actually imagined those drawings and paneling, so I should be able to do it while awake.

>>6413234
Your boxes are placed wrong
>>6413411
Anatomy is not that important when you have reference, it's probably your observation

>>6413482
perspective of the chair vs the room vs her pelvis+legs
I like the random painting in the back

someone teach me how to render

>wrist in pain unless I wear a splint
ngmi

>>6413495
Yeah I'll have a round 2 with this drawing. Normally, the painting in the back would be my full drawing but today I feel daring. I should have leveled up beyond front portraits.

>>6413490
Thank you, I knew it wasn't correct but it helps to see how someone else would have done it

>>6413519
>drawing with your wrist

>>6413567
I don't, having issues with my ulnar nerve too
it's over

>>6413519
try a drawing glove with a compression brand. my dokiwear glove has one, works good.

>>6413579
change hands

Hello I want to draw a monkey
I don't know how to draw the transition from it's face and fur
I don't know how to draw the outline of it's fur
I don't know how to draw the fur itself
I don't know how to draw the shadows and darker patches in the fur

>>6413584
The best artist in my high school art class was a chick with no arms.

painted my friend

>>6413620
Draw a naked monkey.

On an unrelated note, another drawing of a cake today. I realized while posting this that the left side of the plate is somewhat skewed in terms of perspective and will fix that once I get home.

Please provide critique, much appreciated.

>>6413584
I can barely draw with my dominant hand anon I'm just gonna splint up for a few days and see how it feels...

how long until my faces don't look absolutely terrible if I just started doing faces yesterday? I feel like they are the hardest part of the human body to draw unironically.
inb4
>post your faces
they are terrible enough where i can self correct them.
It's pretty demoralizing because Ive been drawing for a year and felt like I was making good progress until I started copying heads/faces. For the record I'm not trying to make them stylized or anything like that, I am trying to draw them as I see them. Did you guys also have this same experience when drawing faces for the first time?

Shitty 15 min warmup for today, time for actual practice.

>>6413482
I think I might have fixed it. Still a sketch, looks way too rough contrasted to how I imagine the final product, needs another re-do.

>>6413772
please find a reference of someone sitting

>>6413787
You sure it's that wrong? I hadn't used a reference but these ones look nearly identical to me, it's just a different angle.
Maybe it's the cape obscuring the 'sitting' point that makes it look weird, I dunno.
I'll see how I can modify it... Oh I know, it's the left leg? Looks too straight, like it's directly standing? I can see that, maybe

>>6413499
looks like you're kind of trying to block shapes in but scribbling around in random directions
I recommend watching this short series by sinix and some of the other videos he has on digital painting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRa5qTnr8o
also when in doubt, use a bigger brush size to block in shapes, you really don't need a small brush until you're deep into it, bigger is better

>>6413811
it's difficult to see how the legs are aligned from the way it's drawn, but it looks out of perspective relative to the plane she's sitting on

Was unfocused today, think my last attempt was better. Supposed to get a blizzard tomorrow so who knows maybe I stay in from work and get to practice more.

>>6413873
Whoops

Left hand too big ik.

Critques? Even though its a quick sketch, i still wanna hear what you guys think abt it.

>>6413701
Really fucking good, if its not AI

>>6413930
I don't think AI can do hands or intricate details like the guitar and so on. I've never dabbled with it so I don't know.

>>6413728
Haha, yes
I still struggle with it 1 year and a half later

>>6413701
perspective looks off and the base of the guitar attracts too much attention imo

>>6413924
(His) whole left arm looks fucked

>>6413841
i'll check this video out here's what i got now
yeah i'm definitely scribbling too much i don't know what shapes there are

Rusty lighthouse or some shit. Might post some schizo art later

Haven't posted in a while, but still been bridgmaning.

>>6413998
I used a picture of a wet pillow as ref. Looked kinda like a skull. Edited a bit to adjust the contrast and vibrancy

>>6413963
Could you tell me why if you dont mind?

Poor Dr. Blackberry lid about to learn why the first two rules of exploring the dinosaur planet are “don’t get separated from the group.” The third is “even things smaller than you will eat you.”

rough week

>>6412599
idk, to keep the color palette tight?
was testing it out, makes the process easier at least

>>6414212
Please get rid of the lines under her eyes
It makes her look wrinkled

low test

I downloaded a book called Keys to Drawing and damn, this is what I do
I draw from knowledge constantly and I don't think I look at what I'm drawing more than the page
Is this book effective in teaching you how to lose these habits?

Why is so fucking hard to draw a face

>>6414264
draw from reference, you're not drawing e.g. eyes the way eyes actually look, you're drawing the shape you think eyes are, which is wrong.

>>6413924
As far as I can tell it looks like his left forearm is upside down given the position of the biceps

this took me an hour to make, looking for criticism

>>6414274
Draw Yoru instead.
In all seriousness though, you could make the mouth smaller and angle it toward her right (your left). It does remind me of Fujimoto’s drawings if that’s what you’re going for, especially the way you drew the eyes.

>>6413411
Absolutely, very important. The less complicated your construction is, the more knowledgeable of anatomy you need to be.
Most of the pros out there that just need a box to draw a torso or a circle in the paper to do a knee or an elbow joint know their shit, if you do the same without knowing you'll just end up symbol drawing everything, and not realizing till you're done.

Ah, it's all coming together.
Though I have a slight feeling the portrait looks better than the actual drawing, I used different pencils to make it so it has variations.
Well, this should look amazing once I decide how to color it.

>>6414313
Exactly 1 hour of painting, an artsy approach

>>6414354
Yeah, I think it's kino

Any tips?
What I envision:
>dark black sky rain wet rocks light coming from the back top hyper realistic detail to make up for very dark and simple colors

But the problem is the chromatic scale seems too simple to be interesting

Also need help with the legs their tough

Using this thread as a gateway to transfer my doodles to PC.

>>6414429
Just use discord

>>6411132
since the academic general is gone, how do i go into the more classical approach myself?
I'm especially interested in picking up the construction method.
i plan on going into painting aswell.

God fucking damn it, I fucked it up.

>>6414621
Reference

>>6414621
Do you think you're learning a lot by copying anime and cartoons?

>>6414638
The drawing course I follow has started to bore me so I just draw what I want to draw now.

Why do these proportions always feel off?
Like the torso feels too long

>>6414680

You're following rey bustos aren't you? Try watching the class and drawing it again then until it looks right to you.

>>6414686
Guilty.
I'll try but it might be because it's so frontal and not much of a pose.

Making him wider has helped a bit.
Arms look too long though

>hitting another plateau where i got through the first chapters of basics in the figure drawing i'm following and know what i need to work on to improve (everything)
>need to infinitely practice figures, anatomy, and proportional body parts
i'm also going to hide my pad of small notetaking pages because i begin too many serious drawing on it and don't have enough space for drawing faces

I like doing these portrait renders but I'm struggling to transfer anything I've learned into my own works

>>6414429
Dude, you're pressing your pencil way too hard. Get a softer pencil for darker lines.

>>6414621
You're chicken scratching while inking, it IS going to look bad. Next time focus on getting clean and continuous lines. Even if you're not happy with your sketch it will be an opportunity to practice cleaning up a drawing.

>>6414829
There's a lot of symbol drawing going on here. When figure drawing you should focus on what you're seeing instead of what you think something should look like. I find that when starting on figure drawing it can be very confusing to work on a line drawing and shading at the same time. Next time do one of these things:
a. Lines only: Try to observe and translate forms with only lines, using a little bit of hatching to imply contours.
b. Shading only: Using a marker, charcoal, or the side of your pencil you'll observe your reference and try to translate its shapes and volumes using light and shadow only. Focus mostly on big shapes and don't give much attention to small details.

When you feel a little more confident doing these things separately you'll get better results doing both at the same time.

>>6414878
>There's a lot of symbol drawing going on here
fuck me i tried so hard to not symbol draw

>>6414878
>clean and continuous lines
I have currently zero confidence in my hand when drawing, so I think using continuous lines will actually look worse, but fuck it. Just gotta try and get good at it. Thanks for the advice.

>>6414861
can you capture the form without rendering? your rendering skill doesn't matter if you can't put the structure down first

>>6414891
Starting out anything you're uncomfortable with will look worse than current. It's about getting better in the long term.
>>6414654
Don't know what course you're doing but you ought to split time between study and fun. Right now I'm doing draw a box, and it reccomends 50/50.

Have you tried trading after going digital only only to realize you really suck? Really humbling stuff.

>>6415018
Yeah, I know a split between fun and study is best, but the course is just so fucking boring and uninteresting. The coach was talking about drawing shadows for like an entire hour. After like twenty minutes I've had had enough and requested a refund. Ordered myself a book instead today. Hopefully the book will be more interesting.

Unrelated things at hand.

Tried sketching a miniature I had lying around, with a plan to ink it, but I fucked the paper enough I don't think it will clean up enough to be worth inking.

>>6415124
You could always do it again some other time like next week orwhatever
The second time you draw something is always easier since you've already looked at the forms etc.
Cool figurine.

Is there anything in particular one should do beside life drawing and construction to encourage three-dimensional thinking?

>>6415124
Here's a better one. Need to add some details yet.

10 minute doodle no reference. Been studying anatomy and construction for about 2 months and other tips I picked up here and there. I'm confident if I sat down and did something serious for a few days I can something nice. Am I gonna make it?

>>6415183
work on your lines

I don't know what I'm doing I think I will stop and do some gouache studies. There's too many things to understand that I'm having trouble breaking it all down. I will save this paper to reuse for another painting or drawing in the future.

>>6415192
Gouache seems hard. I adore the watercolor one though. Any particular inspiration?

I want to post my work here but I never do because of the feedback I get. It's good, well-intended feedback, but sometimes it's on a particular aspect that I've been working on and finally started feeling good about and it makes me feel that all the work I've put into the drawing was wasted and my insignificant brain cells can't handle it.

>>6415198
Do you mean the drawing itself or my general inspiration? I like golden age illustrators such as Rackham, Dulac, Nielsen, and some Japanese ones like Yoshitaka Amano and Takuzo Nagano. But the actual drawing I just bullshit my way through.

[WARNING] forgot to resize files probably big

>get 100+ bookmarks on pixiv
>can't get anyone on 4chan to repost my art

>>6415256
Post it

>>6415256
That's not that much. I get 200-300 and got reposted once.

>>6415289
Overall good. The knight has excessively long arms, don't know if that was intentional.

>>6415289
I hate fast f*od; neat skellie thing and sword guy

>>6415302
>>6415308
Thanks
I was going for that dark souls tall disproportional knights look but maybe i went to far with that

How bad is it to draw freehand instead of using construction? I draw freehand way faster but it's hard to stay on-model too.

>>6415317
I think the knight looks good, just wasn't sure what the goal was.

What ought you use for inking over pencil? I drew in mechanical pencil, and could ink in felt tip, brush pens, or india ink. What is least likely to smudge when I go in afterwords to clean up any errant pencil marks?

>>6415330
Would you rather spend a bit more time or be off model?

>>6411132
Day 1 of doodling in the Shadow of the Loomerer. I don't think Igmi but I will finish the book and see what happens and if I can break out of symbol drawing at least. Last guy is not a Loomie but just me noodling now that I'm done for the day.

Should I start with Perspective Made Easy or Keys to Drawing?

>>6415347
keys

>>6415349
Thanks
That's what I wanted to hear

>>6415341
I want to have a style that looks distinctly like me and that people enjoy seeing. I guess I have to experiment and see what is more enjoyable

when's a good time to get into color

>>6415381
Honestly never. Rendering in pen and ink is all you need. Maybe blue for shadows.

>>6415381
from the start, doing line art is 100x harder then painting and normies value it more when looking at your art.

Hello beg! Merry Christmas! Its so bad lmao. Are you more of santa claus or baby jezus? What is your fav team?

>>6415344
i dont think loomis is designed to break anyone out of symbol drawing, thats job for beg books like keys to drawing but good luck!
>>6415338
tracing paper?
>>6415227
coomable, original, simple yet very appealing, shows form well and anatomy... i kneel
>>6415192
left one is great
>>6415183
>hides feet and hands, doesnt post properly rotated picture, boobs are leaking milk and draws completely ROUND circle as head yet claims he has been studying anatomy
nope
>>6414861
i know that feeling
>>6414486
idk what you mean exactly by classical approach but my guess is this
https://oakforde.com/books/the-practice-of-art-a-classic-victorian-treatise/
>>6414391
i can only offer silly tip like dont make background and foreground same color. Still it looks good
>>6414354
stylish and cute
>>6414263
yes
>>6414065
i see head of yellow dead bird
>>6413701
i kneel
>>6413620
just draw what you see. You deal with fur either by finding brush which imitates the texture or by taking HRB, making it 1 pixel wide and then drawing the hairs one by one until it matches the ref. If the hairs are facing camera you have to foreshorten them by making them smaller to a single dot. The darker the area the more fur you will slap there
>>6412202
the perspective is wrong. We need references as BEGs otherwise we only cement bad habits. You drew top of the head but the face isnt properly foreshortened, the eyes especially. The arm also looks wrong

>>6415418
NTA but I only care about line art, I am fucked.

>>6415419
>tracing paper?
Maybe eventually but right now I have none and it is blizzarding outside. I could rip the page out of my sketchbook and see how well my light pad penetrates 2 sheets of 65lb paper.

>>6415381
Ignore all other responses

>>6415441
explain to me what YOU think this quote means

Do I draw gestures or boxes first as a superbeg?

>>6415478
do lines first

>>6415479
I don't do drugs anon.

>>6415456
it means painters are retards

>>6415473
Nice but I think you forgot the body? That's okay, that's not hard to fix. With practice you won't have to think about it, it'll come naturally and you won't have to be reminded

I just want to make cute sketches...

forever impressed by my ability to rotate things relative to the reference. hopefully by the heat death of the universe i will have fixed that. part of me thinks it would be better to have taken a picture and corrected early in the process but i know that i'll start obsessing the constant draw-then-correct-then-draw-then-correct-then etc process to an unhealthy degree and burn myself out

posting a quick sketch to test a manga look.

Still fucking around with different face angles. I'm so busy I barely have any time.
Since mass reply faggot keeps autistically babbling about references, I did one drawing from a reference on the opposite page.
I was going for Leman Russ and Magnus the Red. I ended up with off brand Jason Mamoa and Cletus the sped. I'm listening to the crimson king audio book, so that was what was on my mind.
Anyway, sure the reference photo looks better, but I feel I learned very little, and I didn't enjoy it was much, not to mention I have zero interest in leaning to me a shitty xerox machine.
But since I know the mass reply spergy will insist on it, I do not wish to disappoint him.

An earlier attempt at Magnus. This one almost looks like retard David Bowie.

>>6415574
Her right eye looks much farther from her nose than her left.

>>6415616
>Magnus the Red
this guy?

>>6415612
>>6415616
What is the point in posting this?

>>6415545
looks like you have some sort of guideline underneath, make sure they're correct before proceeding, practice your observation

>esdeath schizo

>>6415638
how long has he been around?

>>6415545
I feel like you ought to set the opacity down and overlay them. Everything looks a bit off, browline too high.

>>6415638
Huh? The chick from akame ga kill?

>>6415645

>>6413701
>>6413962
i do agree with this anon that the guitar face attracts a lot of attention
maybe darken the value a bit on it/highlight the face more
great work though

How the heck do artists conceptualize fucking zany fantasy armors/costumes/clothing like the pros do? I'm currently trying to design a wizard character inspired by Joe Mad and fantasy/anime outfits and I have hit a massive art block. Do I need to spend more time memorizing historical and other artist's ideas?

How do they come up with this crazy stuff out of nowhere? Are my conceptualization skills just bad?

Picrel is me having fun. Haven't really decided on what i'll turn it into

>>6415612
>I have zero interest in leaning to me a shitty xerox machine

Sour grapes anon, please remember not to look down on people with skill. It helps a lot to know how to draw an actual human before you stylise it, and refusing to do that step will just make the learning process take longer or severely limit your skill. You can't just try something once and then immediately complain it didn't work out.

If it's not fun, make it fun. Find out what the obstacle is, try a different medium like charcoal or paint.

Did you post the one you used a reference for? If not, please do.

>>6415671
Forgot image

>>6415638
I want to see him get good.

>>6415612
Question; do you think stylized art has to look like shit? Or is it just your style to?

>>6415634
Yeah, like I said, I'm listening to the audio book
>>6415635
Eat a bag of dicks, nigger.

>>6415686
Not going to answer?

>>6415638
>Esdeath
The difference between me and him is that I got other shit going on. I got a job, a wife, a house, and I'm learning to cook, and losing weight. I can't be bothered to obcess over my shitty trad art like he did.

>>6415690
Normal people manage that without being childishly bad at their hobbies lol.

>>6415671
Maybe you should be less concerned about my drawing and more concerned about your reading comprehension. Here's the source photo, of that's what you're incorrectly asking, I honestly can't tell.

>>6415692
>>6415688
>>6415635
Post your work

>>6415664
have an existing visual library
think about shape design
think about composition, flow, hierarchies etc
iterate a lot on the prompt (explore)

>>6415696
He's mocking your opinion that you don't want to be a "human xerox machine". Pretty clear

>>6415698
Already do (;

>>6415644
already did that before posting and yes everything's off

>>6415683
>Had to look like shit
For the time being, yes. I'm basically treading water at this point because I'm doing so much, so I get the odd drawing in when I can. I'm getting extra hours at work, I'm down twenty pounds, I've doubled the number of push ups I can do at one go and I'm getting more sleep. Also I'm learning to cook. This is pretty low on my priorities rn, so it's just going to suck for a bit. There are marginal improvements, buy I'm more concerned with minimizing skill degradation. The is a perishable skill.

>>6415701
>>6415671

t.Samefag

>>6415705
why do you keep posting that image and what point are you trying to make?

terminal case of ngmi

>>6415705
Buddy maybe give your posts a proofread. They could really use it.

>>6415708
I haven't posted it in two months, so if you've been seeing it, that's not me. I am the one who drew it. Anyway, I'm sorry your life is so shitty you've fixated on me. Maybe you should go back to drawing.
I'm only responding because I had to take a shit. Good night.

>>6415712
How long has this schizo been around?

>>6415696

English isn't my first language so i thought that maybe the opposite page would be the backside of the paper. In your case, i would just say "left is from reference" rather than opposite.

>of that's what you're incorrectly asking,
Strange way to phrase something, but thank you the clarification.

>>6415706
Nah bro i'm the one that types and explains a lot

>>6415664
You can try using random references, objects, or associations you have with words and incorporate that in a design in any way you can.

Make bee armor. Carrot weapons. Stalactite gloves. Whatever. It'll suck, but you'll actively think about why it sucks and subconsciously create preferences. At some point you'll find things in your designs that you like, and then it's just a matter of isolating that.

Every object has a colour scheme, textures, other qualities, etc. You need to be conscious of that if you want to design cool shit.

>>6415441
Thanks for posting this my friend
This is a very inspiring quote for you to share with everyone

>>6415712
you still haven't given me a reason as to why you keep posting that terrible sketch. It's as if you were proud of it. Too bad

>>6415419
>>hides feet and hands, doesnt post properly rotated picture, boobs are leaking milk and draws completely ROUND circle as head yet claims he has been studying anatomy

Bro your reading comprehension is dogshit. I clearly said it was a doodle and I'm not going to draw ultra realistic anatomy in that timespan with only 2 months (not even 24hr days) of study. And it was supposed to drip milk you clearly were a formula baby

my ability to discern what parts of my drawings are shit and what is wrong with them that is causing them to look off is rapidly outpacing my ability to correct my shitty drawings as well as draw non-shit things in the first place. it's probably a net positive since it's proof i'm learning but at the same time it's really really getting to me and it's getting harder to pick up a pencil to draw since i get apprehensive about putting in effort to draw when i know i'll end up drawing and erasing the same eyes and mouth for 2 hours and still never end up getting it looking right. i would practice faces but my observation and accuracy need practicing more it seems. should i just copy a relatively simple master drawing, compare my copy to the original, then redraw until it's right?

>>6415730
just draw from reference

>>6415730
>relatively simple master drawing
That's one thing I don't get about studying the masters. Some things I understand, but some things I look at, and I genuinely don't understand how the artist did what they did.

>>6415744
probably done on a piece of wood or something with texture

>>6415735
that's all i do fortunately since i'm not confident in my skills to do anything from imagination but i think i'm going to stop drawing from photos of real life objects until i'm better at observing

Okay does anyone else find every single pose with guy super hard to draw especially on a >60 sec timer?

this guy

>>6415905
>>6415920
I think timed drawings are a beg trap. 10 minutes minimum imo

>had a partner make a character literally for me without even asking
this makes my dom-bone feel funny

thoughts

what are those little thingies to bind keyboard shortcuts on called? any good one for linux?

>>6415920
oof, I have pretty trash insertions but I'm glad my pecs aren't this bad.

Timed drawings have a purpose, like all things, guys are easier to draw because I am one, IMO.

>>6414967
Not sure what you mean by that I was more thinking I can't render my own works.

>>6412416
>>6413314
I just finished this

Any thoughts and stuff I missed before I upload this to pixiv?
I'm really not satisfied but I don't think I can add anything more

This is the second anime drawing I've done in like 6 months, it's a study. I think I'll paint it.

>>6416058
They're asking if you can do the basics when making your own work. Basically, everything underneath the rendering. Blocking in shapes and colours, shit like that. (I think that's how it works at least)

If that's the step you get stuck on, you know what to work on. But if you're able to do that but get stuck on the rendering specifically, the issue isn't with the basics.

>>6416036
Macro's? Not sure what you mean

>>6416076
like a stream deck? it's like a small "keyboard" with buttons that you can bind to shortcuts in your drawing program.

>>6416109
Oh, a macropad. They come with buttons and knobs. Can even build one yourself for twice the price and weeks of your time

how bad is it, bros? haven't tried to draw anything since 8/28 and that was just some skeletons from an anatomy video i was watching
i think this took <10 minutes but i didn't time it
might have picked a bad starting image since i was never good in the first place, but from what i can tell the legs are fucked up and the neck may be a little short, ignoring issues with the sword and scabbard shapes. oh, also the rib cage because i forgot how it's shaped for some reason...
also i definitely don't think this qualifies as gesture but i've never learned gesture, i'm just vaguely afraid of trying to add details
also also sorry for the weird split, one is a youtube video the other is opened from a discord message i sent myself

>>6416148
well, you're referencing a video with about 200 pixels total, and you're drawing stick figures instead of actionable construction or gesture. Go again with better reference and consciously placing lines that matter.

>>6416153
well, yeah i can't really say anything to that lol. ok brb i will post again when i've learned something

>>6416069
make her head longer and give her a fucking chin. git rid of that miku faggot anime style chin now. it will always make you art look beg.

for gods sake draw an actual fucking nose.

the right has thumb placement is off, the connection should be visible, or slightly visible, which means you'd see 2 or 3 of the thumb joints. the left elbow is too high and upper arm is too short. git rid of the unessesary lines near the hips, it adds nothing and hurts my eyes.

the left hand is terrible. but you knew that.

the right lower leg thats bent should be visible and not just dissappear. same with the left leg.

the tit gap at the top shouldnt ge that big.. just draw a small indent, or shorten those lines.

Overall: Work on head contruction (NOW), Get better at emotions/expressions, practice hads till you get em right, make sure the elbow lines up COMFTORBALLY with the hip bone, like right on top of it, get rid of unessecary lines on the bdoy (especially when drawing females), work on your legs (david finch has great vids on legs), and get better at rendering.

very long critique but valid.

also pic rel is what i'd say do for the left hand.

first time ever digital painting, did I do good or bad and what can i improve on?

>>6416182
the visual storytelling about my hookup with my middle school principal goes crazy

old shit

>>6416185
you saw her get naked, your eyes were tired and depressed, and she had red juicy lips?

>>6416190
i was going for more eye rolling "which chipmunk was getting the best head" but yea, pretty much

>>6415920
Tried my hand at it

6 month old power sketch

>>6416205
doesn't look like power but nice feet and hands

>>6416199
great drawing, but please dont study that hack bridgemen. he infects the minds of all begs that wanna get good

>>6416208
ye ik thats why i didnt even post it to my insta

cringe anime

very old oc named "Argon Lumenier". Very cringe but at the time i was bored asf

How do I learn to draw manga?

Fear...!

Do I draw 3000 cubes or do I go straight into figure drawing?

>>6415708
>>6415711
>>6415718
>>6415720
Lol, I see lots of typing and very little drawing. I've gotten my sleep, I'm going to work. If I have time I'll draw more there and post it later, and hopefully someone less triggered then this samefag loser will respond, and in the event is two losers then fuck you both.
>Proofread
I was taking a shit, not filling out a job application. There's literal Loli porn on here. Get over yourself(ves).

>>6415763
>That's all I do
And you aren't improving? Maybe don't take shit advice. Drawing from photos is like tracing. It's a useful skill that dead ends.

>>6415545
Try not to symbol draw. You've drawn the outline of the lips, which is why it looks off

>>6416222
dont EVER fuckign practice drawing shapes. DONT EVER DO THAT.

focus on studying from body builders and shredded people. dont focus on learning crazy wacky gestures/poses, because you will never draw them again. only practice what you know you will use again. like a specific hand pose or a psecific angle of the torso. but dont.... EVER... draw shapes to practice. i havent even drawn a trianlge or a square in years (when im drawing obv) and i still went from pre beg to high beg/low int (sometimes on certain artworks) in just 2 years.

How can i make this look better? I know somethings off, but can tell what it fucking is.

>>6415730
Solution: draw in pen and accept the mistakes. Finish the drawing and learn that way. Just build confidence, visual library, and muscle memory as you go

>>6416216
kino

>>6416248
Maybe it's the other arm?

>>6416246
Weird advice to be honest. So just learn to symbolically draw things you know you'll repeat over and over? Bruh

>>6416293
>>6416293
>>6416293

>>6416179
Man, you really should have told this to me when I was still doing sketches.
It's too frustrating to fix shit now

I would just remember your post and learn my lesson

>>6415227
yes i want her to ride my magic bone dragon

>>6416069
hey anon, it's not that bad overall but there are some things wrong with the muscle placement here and there. your shadows also seem a bit haphazardly placed, i would focus on one light source before laying down any kind of shadow. hands also seem a little wonky and too different sizes so I'd watch out for that as well.
hope you don't mind, i did a redline over top of some of the bigger errors.