/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I made this drawing by hand over the course of a week, the process consisted of research, pencil, ink, and watercolor. I believe in touch and feel, I enjoy tactile sensations, and this kind of work demands it. That’s why I do it.

When you are ready to make the next step in your path, I’m sure you will see the benefit. Art should not be a math formula, it should be an extension of yourself, the experience of creating it should be second nature and never must you feel intimidated by your own limited knowledge or appreciation of the medium.

>>6393942
Weirdo.

>>6393942
i agree but no offense this guy needs his face further off the camera

>>6393942
I draw for bragging rights. And I can mog AI faggots too.

>>6393942
I don't care about drawing, I just want the picture I'm imagining to exist in the real world. If I could just copy it out of my mind and paste it into the computer, that would be perfect.

>>6393942
so they dont need to pay or work for comissions
theyre not artists, theyre people trying to sell cheap shit, or trying to make their fursonas for free
none of them are actually trying to make something good or unique, they just want the Product™

>>6393942
What’s the point of drawing if you let a machine do it for you?
Thread#332467

>>6393970
Yeah, I too want everything to be done instantly for me without any effort. I want to copy and paste a novel series from my mind and be instantly famous. I want to be instantly fit and healthy from just imagining it. I want to do no work and get a fat check deposited into my account. And I want to be respected for it. It's unfair that life requires me to do anything but eat and shit and consume media.

>>6393986
>Yeah, I too want everything to be done instantly for me without any effort. I want to copy and paste a novel series from my mind and be instantly famous. I want to be instantly fit and healthy from just imagining it. I want to do no work and get a fat check deposited into my account. And I want to be respected for it.
Well hey, if that were possible, sure. Who wouldn't want that?

>>6393942
There's always going to be "cheaters" who try to take shortcuts to gain success and admiration from others. Even in something as inconsequential as a video game. First it was tracers and photobashers whoring for likes and followers, now it's this. Just another symptom of the same disease.

>>6393998
You are kitch. The problem isnt trasing or photobashing. Never was, the problem is people and how and why most of them use it.
C'mon pal.

>>6393942
My problem with AI is that is literally a parasite created and unleashed by techbros to feed off the blood of artists and that they forcibly inserted upon everyone's asses without ever asking permission.

And then they just say "oh, the parasite is already sucking on the blood of the unwilling from inside, there is nothing you can do about it, now pay me to use it and harvest the nutrients out of other people"

Like nigga, you can use it if you want, but don't complain that people find that shit disgusting, don't complain that artists want to erradicate a literally parasitic technology.

>>6393998
(adding more to this) People like this don't care about expression, self improvement, or learning new skills. Passion and love aren't even within a mile of the equation. They just want cheap, fast, superficial results right now.

>>6394003
Rub your eyes and read the post again, ESL. That's exactly what I meant.

the point is the end result, obviously.

>>6394008
Oh, you backpedalled, faggot.
Know what, you ngmi,shithead.

>>6393970
>>6393990
>Who wouldn't want that?
It's a monkey paw thing, you don't want that.
>If I could just copy it out of my mind and paste it into the computer, that would be perfect.
That's the thing, that's why you learn to draw and do things by yourself, because the moment you try to materialize it you'll learn that it's all smoke and that your idea was actually kind of just a pile of vague trash, so you try again and actually come up with something decent.
Letting an A.I fill in the blanks makes your monkey brain go "aha, of course, this is what I wanted", but in reality it is nothing of the sort, because there was nothing inside your mind to begin with, it's all a lie you tell yourself.
That's why I keep telling A.I shills that even if A.I gets good and it comes down to pure curation they will still get mogged by artists, because if you can't draw it you can't perceive it, and that's going to drag down the quality of anything you try to do. There's no cure for shit taste.

Prompting is actually very fun and addicting, when I started getting the hang of it I pulled an all-nighter. There's a skill to it as well, it's not that straight-forward if you're aiming at a very specific result. A lot of the enjoyment in drawing is in seeing the idea in your head materialize IRL. AI art can achieve that same thing but faster.

Personally I still enjoy drawing more because I've developed a distinct style over the years and it's easier to get my desired results with it compared to AI. IMO a hybrid AI-hand drawn workflow will probably be the most enjoyable eventually, because you can automate a lot of gruntwork. For example you can use it to generate unique references based off prompts instead of hunting on pinterest for hours.

I've already started using it for references, like the Anything V3 model is pretty good at generating environments.

>>6394012
I'm not backpedaling, retard. The issue at hand here is that you can barely understand or speak English. Don't get shitty with me.

>>6394018
>because if you can't draw it you can't perceive it
This statement is wrong.
Drawing skills and visualization is not codependent.

>>6393942
whats the point of drawing if youre gonna do ugly weeb shit

>>6394020
You got shitty by yourself. Reread your first post.

>>6393942
>>6393948
What tf does it even mean?

Every AI thread is the exact fucking same.

>>6394018
You seem to care more about the technical skill, while I just care about being able to convey my ideas. AI does a good enough job of that while being more aesthetically pleasing than my best scribbles.

>>6394021
He's not wrong. If you can visualize it you should be able to draw it even if it's done crudely. You don't need John Singer Sargent levels of skill, just need to be able to communicate an idea.

>>6394021
>Drawing skills and visualization is not codependent.
Can you have high drawing skills without high level visualization?
no
Can you have a very high level visualization without being able to draw?
Theoretically, but who else spends everyday multiple hours a day making use of this skill?
Maybe photographers, but that's it, and generally speaking painting skills translate well into photography, but not the other way around.

So yes, but also no.

AIshills don't really care about art at all. Speaking personally, my love of painting surpasses the quick, cheap results of AI.
That being said, I've played around a lot with SD. Recently I made a dreambooth model for personal use based on the background art of Boku no Natsuyasumi, for the purpose of brainstorming and generating reference material. It can maybe be useful for that kind of stuff.

>>6394033
Ai cant even do something as simple as a different angle, fov, lighting for even its own created composition. Its not an Ai, why do we call it so then?

>>6394036
So you are a Betty Edwards fan, got'cha.

>You don't need John Singer Sargent levels of skill, just need to be able to communicate an idea.
So how does it proves the statement, right it doesn't.

>>6394033
That's because you don't actually have concrete ideas, you get me?
At least not concrete visual ideas, that's why you can't translate them, because you don't understand them. I won't shit too much on you because I think the art world in general has done a shit job at letting others know exactly what it really entails.
You don't know how things look, most people don't, and thus most people can't draw or manipulate visual ideals to create something appealing.

>>6394038
>Can you have a very high level visualization without being able to draw?
Thats wht im mainly talking about.
Even other way around it is possible with alot of copying and using references. So called Le aphantasia.

>>6394048
Proko kangaroo and his anatomy copies is a great example.

>>6394048
People with great visualization can never be permabegs, unless they literally can't hold a pencil and/or are blind, and even then they may find a way through kinesthetic means.
So yeah, high drawing skills and high visualization are certainly correlated, even proko who clearly lacks it managed to develop it well enough to be able to copy with enough drawing training.

>>6394033
I have been trying to use SD for cheap conceptart for months now, never got a single picture similar to what I imagined. AI either ignored some prompts I gave it, or just get everything wrong. I still prefer using my doodles because they convey the idea far far better then AI can. Also, I once asked friend if he could make me some conceptart, I gave him description of it and somehow he got it 100% right in just 5 minutes of drawing. Now compare that to 3 alt accounts wasted on free Midjurney membership and 8 hours worth of prompting in SD.

>>6394066
that's what we in the business call "skill issue"

>>6394057
Copying and drawing from imaination isnt the same. At all, you cant draw from imagination if your visualization sucks but you can copu a real object cause you dont need to constantly visualize it,just the parts, pieces that you hold in your memory for that particular moment when you copying it. Thats why proko cant draw from imagination, he cant visualize and hold it on a bigger scale.

There are people who draw because they enjoy the process and there are people who draw because they want the end result, and sometimes there are people who draw for both.

>>6393942
You're retarded. The only thing that matters is the end result. The grind is just a mean to get to that end, that's why artists are always looking for shortcuts and simplifying things.

Kys tourist.

>>6394070
Absolutely, proko has shit visualization, but he has some visualization, which is a lot more than the average person, purely by being able to draw.
So the point stands, artists are the best at it and it's not even a competition, so even if it only comes down to visualization and no technical skill, those capable of doing it by hand will always create better more appealing things than people who rely entirely on A.I.

>>6394057
So, when you copy something present- see, remember, copy, repeat.
When you visualize something and try to recreate it- create(visualize), hold it- constantly and only then see, remember, copy, repeat, while holding it all together.

>>6394079
>So the point stands, artists are the best at it and it's not even a competition, so even if it only comes down to visualization and no technical skill, those capable of doing it by hand will always create better more appealing things than people who rely entirely on A.I.

Well, no shit cap.

>>6394067
>Anybody can make high quality drawings by just press of a button, its that easy
>Ok, let me imagine something, now just write the prompt. Wow, its not even close to what I wanted
>Well, you need to learn how to write what you want better, and then also press the button better with these cryptic settings. Just train this new skill that you will never use because you dont need hyperrealistic high quality image just to visualize your ideas

>>6394019
>>6394033
>muh ideas
You know what one of the most frequent things I hear from /beg/s is?
>I have this really great, really awesome, super cool, kaboom kaplowie vroom vroom whizbang idea that's just so vivid and so real that I can see every single pore and wrinkle with ray traced lighting at 4K UHD 60FPS... but when I try to draw it, it sucks! Why dat happen??? Why can't I draw what I'm imagining u guise??? I dun geddit...
You want to know why? Your ideas are not as vivid and concrete as you think that they are. You are fooling yourself. >>6394018 says as much themself. Ask any normalfag with no drawing or painting ability to do something as simple as coloring a picture of a tree in a coloring book in the right color from memory, and 99% of the time they'll color it a dark brown color. Ask them what color a tree's bark is, and they'll answer "brown". Spoiler alert, trees aren't brown. Yet the average normalfag (that doesn't have le aphantasia meme) is absolutely, 100%, really wheelie truly twirly whirly convinced that they can actually vividly picture anything in their head and they'll swear up and down, left, right, and all the rest of the cardinal directions that they can, they can, they can really see with their mind's eye! But they can't. You can't either. The Stable Diffusion AI isn't making anything that you "visualize" real. You type words in, the AI chugs and sputters for a few minutes, spits out a bunch of shit, and then- in the words of >>6394018- your stupid ass monkey brain sees one of the generated images and goes
>oh em gee! That's my idea! that is exactly how I imagined it! waow waow i maed it i did it it's my idea waow amayyyzing!!! :O :O :O I literally can't even right now!!!
YOU CANNOT TRULY SEE UNTIL YOU DRAW. Furthermore, it's not about seeing, it's about understanding and feeling form. The visual library is not an image gallery, it's sketchfab. The artist's mind is not photoshop, it's blender.

>>6394096
Agree with you pal but not on this one.
>YOU CANNOT TRULY SEE UNTIL YOU DRAW.
Its other way around.

>>6394101
Chicken or the egg, fight me nigga

>>6394076
Keep deluding yourself permabeg. I and many others enjoy the act of drawing. Clearly you have zero passion for drawing. Not sure why you bother -ngmi..

>>6394023
Weeb shit is peak spiritual transcendence. Go cum to your stiff academic loomis heads that no one will ever care about lol.

>>6394104
Nah, hehe, have a good day nigga. Im right on this one tho.

>>6394104
Also- symbol drawing = draw before seeing.
Even shizo like Van Gogh would not agree with you.

>>6394104
Picasso maybe would sided with you on this one tho... :^¡

>>6394096
>Spoiler alert, trees aren't brown.

>>6394115
How about this-
>At your base state, you are ignorant. You can neither see nor draw.
>You attempt to draw, and realize that you can neither truly see nor draw.
>Therefore, you attempt to truly see by drawing copies of what you see exactly.
>Then, when you truly see and are not constrained by your preconceived notion, then you can begin to truly draw.
Therefore, both are true. You cannot really draw until you see, and cannot see until you draw. Drawing is the key to seeing, and seeing is the key to drawing. It's, like, an ouroboros thing or something, man. Radical!

>>6394121
The local color of yon trees' bark is a form of GRAY, O thou blind seer!

>>6393942
Some poeple just want an image, not everyone want to be an artists, but most of them like to see certain images.

The problem with AI art is that it wasn't needed, there were already so many artists and arts being posted everyday that was already impossible to see them all.

AI art programs was just created because there were already a research on image recognition and they thought it would be cool to replace a job for no reason, unlike most automation until now, that were invented to attend besic needs and a way too high demand.

>>6394133
>Therefore, both are true. You cannot really draw until you see, and cannot see until you draw. Drawing is the key to seeing, and seeing is the key to drawing. It's, like, an ouroboros thing or something, man. Radical!

Fucking based, yeah, lets have it at that pal. :%

>>6394145
Name one precedent.
>replace a job
Never happend.
Truly makes you belive that all ai posters are shizos and poojeets.

>>6394149
I look into the mirror, in 2021 I was happy 20 year old twink with soft skin and perfect hair
In 2022 I look 40, have visible bald spots and visible nasal wrinkles

Did AI trun me into schizo that aged twice his age from stress alone?

>>6394155
>>/lgbt
Ic is a wrong board for you.

>>6394149
What? You think AI is harmless to artists and it's just a great and inclusive tool?

>>6394155
Literally you. And Meruem is AI, ic is making my day. Heh.

>>6394166
Yes.
Not even gonna argue on this one. Dont bother.

>>6394169
Yeah when you're lazy ass benefits from something of course you're going to support it and double down on it

Best thing we can do is stigmatize people who use AI just like "artists" who do NFTs. Make them ashamed to show their faces publicly.

>>6394175
>tfw mainly use stable diffusion to make shotas and kemoshotas
Hard to make someone a pariah when they already are one.

>>6394175
Ah i see, it was you who trew tomato soup at Van Gogh

>>6394184
I'm gonna throw tomato soup at your AI prints too

>>6394187
Expressionism, idk.
You better just eat it.

>>6394190
You're right. Dog poop would be a better alternative.

>>6394203
>Dog poop
So thats your dinner?! Wow...

>>6394203
Buddy you better stop eating this shit.

>>6394096
The problem is the psychological aspect of the process that does the opposite of what drawing does to an artist.
>be a /beg/, visualize all the epic shit in your head
>try to draw them, it's shit
>try over and over again, or study btter artist and get an understanding of anatomy and perspective, as well as an aesthetic sense.
>at some point you can just trace from your imagination

>be a prompter
>shifting through a mountain of shit
>the first thing that remotely makes sense looks like a masterpiece compared to the shit your eyes have been trained on for hours
>unironically think people are insane to think this one masterpiece in a millions you just found is shit.

That's the whole difference. Real artist compared their art to the better artists and strive to get better. Prompters dig through millions pieces of trash and think the least smelly one is a treasure. Exactly why they are so defensive when you criticize their shit. They unironically think those shit are good, when even the most corrected one without random errors all over the place are usually bland shit that has little to no intricate details to fuck up in the first place.

Tldr: The reason normies can see how boring and "off" ai images are while prompters can't is because prompters are literally trained to be shittier at visualization and developing an aesthetic sense.

>>6394168
You say this, and yet a human absolutely mogged your AI (ant) god. Says a lot about the versatility of mankind in the grand scheme of things, doesn't it?

>>6394023
but I enjoy my ugly weebshit

>>6395024
Lol, you said the four words that are ic's arch sin
>I like my work

AIbros think they will be able to create entire worlds with their mind, but what they'll really do is just nod their head when the computer spits out something vaguely resembling the keywords they put. Its no different than asking an artist to draw something for you, the machine only does it faster. In both cases, there is nothing exiting the aibro's mind, he's not even an active party.

What is the difference from the point of view of the aibro between telling stable diffusion to draw a face and telling some furry on twitter to draw a face? In both cases they are saying keywords and then waiting for an output.

>>6394033
What idea did you have?

>>6394019
>AI art can achieve that same thing but faster.
Retard.

>>6393942
There’s no point other than boasting about how good an imagine you didn’t make is.

The problem with AI art isn’t the quality of the generations, because even if it generates a perfect painting, it’s a painting you did not paint. You request what you want to the AI and it will randomly generate things following those tags.

>>6394205
>>6394207
It's performance art

>>6396965
>The problem with AI art isn’t the quality of the generations, because even if it generates a perfect painting, it’s a painting you did not paint
Yeah it's just the ultimate form of soulless automated design work. The best you can do is call yourself a curator of AI imagery and that's not really impressive either.

>>6396647

It can and does.
It would have taken me a while to thumbnail out concepts like pic related, a tonne of research and gathering of references on top of pages of drawing/exploration. But with SD I type in a prompt and it gives me loads of unique but relevant design ideas almost instantly.

Shit's pretty great

>>6397014
>unique
>literally a bunch of cityscapes and spaceships from Tron, Star Wars, and Star Trek

>>6397014
You could have found these on google images. What's the actual point to making them, what intention is behind those designs? What are you trying to say with the colours and composition?

>>6397113
That he eats dog poo.

>>6394024
that anon's post was literally agreeing with you
you should take a step back from the screen and take some fresh air

>>6397113

I wanted to find a sci-fi landscape inspired by syd mead with a neo-gothic architecture and fog, lots of detail, inspired by blade runner with neon lights and buildings that look like they might house some sort of AI.

It's a lot easier to prompt for than search for on google images or pinterest. Try googling for for what I wanted and see what comes up. It'll give you art by syd mead or neo-gothic buildings. No unique images though. Maybe some concept art that vaguely resembles what you're looking for. But it won't instantly give you X versions of exactly what you wanted.

It's beyond me that you don't recognize how useful this technology is. Maybe you're just trolling or something.

>>6398350
>>6397014
>It's beyond me that you don't recognize how useful this technology is
I get what you mean with the possibilities, it has been told time and time again, but everytime people actually show concrete examples of how they do it like in yours, it completely loses me, because it's clear nothing good will come out of it, if this in any way inspires you to do your story, then I do not want to see it lmao.

>>6399013
looks good to me

>>6396965
at the moment its easy to tell if somethings ai generated or made by hand. But as they work to blur the line even more, they're admitting that they want the value of hand crafting something while also denying that its valuable at all.

They want to have their cake and eat it too