/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6389861
One stroke at the time

He was insane

>>6389861
if you can draw one elephant and one guy, then you just keep doing that until you total up to however many of them are on that page

>>6389861
dont they have chink slaves doing all the actual drawing

>>6389861
drawing all the time till his arteries popped

He took his time and released chapters at his own pace unlike weekly releases, till Idolmaster happened that is.

He literally died of overworking though

>>6389901
idolmaster probably added years to his life, he was overworked to high hell and popping pain killers like tic tacs

>>6389861
Tracong over Blender models

>>6389861
Probably with a piece of paper and a dipping pen but don't quote me on that

>>6389909
>Miura
>Digital
lmao even

>>6389972
>Miura
>Digital
Berserk has been a digital manga for the last 5 years anon.

>>6389861
Cocaine.

>>6389861
Autism (unironically)
Berserk is one of the most visually impressive mangas and the guy basically dedicated his whole life to it

>>6389861
why did u think he died young?

>>6389861
is this supposed to be impressive? a couple elephant heads and same guy copy and pasted a couple dozen times. no feet, no hands, no details. probably took an afternoon.

>>6390564
It's not impressive if u look at it as a stand alone. Now imagine drawing this when u've been drawing all day while planning out drawings for the next day with deadline pressures from your editor.

>>6389907
Your heart doesn't explode in your sleep from overworking.

lmao how the fuck is moving your hand repetitively supposed to be "over work"? The retards on this board thinking that drawing is physically or mentally taxing in any way at all besides the risk of carpel tunnel.

>>6389901
i don't remember that part in the manga

but yeah miura definetly hit the sack earlier because of berserk. the inhuman amounts of work and sleep deprivation he put himself to maintain the art quality def shortened his lifespan

>>6390637
weak bait. heres your (you), now go back to /v/ or something

>>6390564
7 armored horse heads, 8 elephants(incl top panels) 50+ soldiers.

>>6390637
RSI. can affect your whole arm.

>>6390637
>The retards on this board thinking that drawing is physically or mentally taxing in any way at all besides the risk of carpel tunnel.

Even as a /beg/ I can see how naive this statement is.

>>6390564
How about keeping this same level of detail for 360 manga issues with 25 pages each, while writing for it AND doing paintings on the side?
Miura and Jung Gi died from their own unstoppable autism.

>what is an assistant
seriously, fuck this board, you niggers are literally retarded

>>6389861
Autism fulled by havinng both asian artist parents

>>6390657
miura died from jerking off to idolmasters. he didnt keep the same quality for 360 chapters either. you can tell his idolmaster period with the massive drop off in quality.

>>6389861
he probably spent hours and hours and hours sitting around, chipping away until the piece was done. he did it for so long that it gave him shit health and killed him. are you willing to sacrifice that much for your art, anon?

>>6389861
Slowly. This was well into the hiatuses. Also you know he has/had a whole team of assistants, right?

>>6389972
He very visibly switched to digital toward the end of the boat arc (which was well after that page anyway).

>>6390654
Come back when you're out of your diapers, then talk.

>>6390659
/thread
Every single one of you niggers are retards who know nothing.

>>6390652
Your arm hurting can't kill you or affect your overall bodily function or health.

>>6390643
>>6390654
not an argument

I've been drawing and painting every day for 15 years, I'm in great health and shape

>>6390708
how come everyone that posts this image a permabeg?

>>6389861
By.... well just doing it.
Yes, its Pony and autism, but this is my attempt of drawing and trying out a battle scene. Need to get some rest once I am able to iron out the sketch. All I need to do is to clean it and color. Hell Miura is an idol of mine too so yeah.

Then again, Miura is both drawing a manga, have a story and is on a deadline so yeah, huge respect

>>6389861
assistants. he literally had an entire studio working for him.
https://berserk.fandom.com/wiki/Studio_Gaga
sorry if this shatters your illusions

>>6390802
and yeah, the fat faggot literally had an entire studio at his disposal and still took massive hiatuses

>>6389972
fucking retard

>>6390615
>berserk
>deadline pressure
lol

>>6389889
Miura?
When they made him start inking digitally, he was ecstatic that now he could control individual pixels.

>>6390851
>But having night-owl tendencies may come with serious health effects. Recent studies have discovered that, regardless of their lifestyle, people who stay up late had both higher levels of body fat and an increased risk of developing other health problems, such as diabetes and low muscle mass, than did early birds.
no wonder this mf died

why my drawing look like dook?

Modern artists are so unskilled that they do not know what inking and crosshatching is. They see stuff like Berserk and go "Whoa what clip studio brush or AI prompt did he use?"

>>6390865
you got the nose and lips wrong. Ears too big. The hair is too frizzy. (make is sharper)

>>6389861
Retarded Americans will claim only Autists can draw that shit, Retarded Beglets will claim Miura has been using Filters since 1980s

>>6390872
still dook

>>6390926
make the nose pointier!

>>6390723
>Your arm hurting can't kill you or affect your overall bodily function or health
pain>stress>death

>>6390929
i give up

>>6390948
Alas, your opponent (Miura) was formidable.

Vagabond is better.

>>6390827
>When they made him
Man it's crazy the stupid shit you retards make up.

>>6390867
Miura rarely ever cross hatches though, so what are you even talking about.

>>6389901
like this has no cross hatching.

>>6390995
most of vagabonds best stuff is assistant background works making basic character poses look better.

>>6390948
Its improved, left eye is jumping out at me as weird as well

>>6390997
Some people are just pathologic. They will spread any rumors and jerk off to people discussing them.
>it's me, I DID THIS, I'm so clever
instead of drawing.

>>6389861
By only getting like 2-3 hrs of sleep and overworking himself to meet deadlines.

Which is why he had so many health problems and was constantly sick lol

>>6389861
Are there any videos of him drawing? I simply cannot comprehend his mindset and the way he drew.

How was he even able to meet the deadlines

>>6389861
He had an army of assistants to help him.

>>6391190
>army of assistants
What are they going to do, draw one line each? Lol

>>6391002
What? You havent read berserk at all.

>>6390659
Miura had 5 assistants. People still don't understand that manga are a team effort even more than western comics.

>>6391199
Backgrounds
Screen tones
Hatching / black filler

>>6389861
By being a workaholic perfectionist.

>>6391272
Have you? Miura doesnt use cross hatching very often. Do you even know what cross hatching is? Do you know how to draw or just some retarded manga fan? There's no crosshatching here.

>>6391272
This is a simple image that actually has some crosshatching. Very, very tiny amount for under the chin shadow basically.

>>6391272
This one is crazy amount of inking, but very, very few crosshatchings.

>>6391272
The only crosshatching is on his fake arm and small section below it that looks like a mistake since it stands out so much. 99% of the image has no cross hatching. Miura is not known for cross hatching.

>>6391479
GRIFFITH!!!

(that said, I think you're just making a pointless distinction here. Hatching and Cross Hatching are so close they might as well be the same thing. When you're hatching clumsily the lines will overlap slightly anyways.)

>>6391482
>>6391479
>>6391478
>>6391477
>this bozo thinks cross hatching is only when you're filling stuff in with crosses
You've never held a pencil lmao

>>6391506
not him, but finding an axis along which to hatch that looks good is much easier than finding 2, and miura was not notably good at the latter
it’s a useless distinction to a casual observer, but when you implicitly put miura up there with an artists’ artist that actually can crosshatch, you can expect artists to have a fit
also doesn’t help that the guy initially bringing up crosshatching was sniffing his own farts a bit too aggressively

>>6391508

>>6391514
>pulls out a dictionary to win an argument on the internet

>>6391520
>gets btfo by a dictionary
>tries to cope with stock photos
just take the L

>>6391522
Actually that's an istock photo, but I see you're too stupid to comprehend nuance so I'll cut you some slack this one time autismotron

>>6391528
wrong again

>>6391528

>>6391536
>>6391533
imagine how good you'd be at art if you spent your autism points in art

>>6391542
>this lack of self awareness

>>6391508
Cross hatching is a specific technique. You don't know what it is. This is Bernie Wrightson's Frankenstein. There isnt a single cross hatching in it. If you told me he was the best at cross hatching and master of it based on this image, I'd have the same criticism. You can like Miura, but he's not some god tier artist or master of the craft.

>>6391508
jesus christ you're retarded, hurry and commit suicide so no one has to deal with you anymore

>>6390948
pupils don't look in the same direction

>>6390638
>i don't remember that part in the manga
Millennium falcon arc. After Griffith creates the world tree and unleashes fantasy creatures into the world

>>6391693
his other eye is closed

>>6391552
>You can like Miura, but he's not some god tier artist or master of the craft.
If Miura can't be considered god tier/master of his craft then who can?

>>6391552
post your work

>>6391749
>gets btfo
>pyw
like clockwork

>>6391751
>Gets told to post work
>Doesn't post work and retorts with a snide remark
Like clockwork

>>6391752
post your work

>>6391768
>gets btfo
>pyw
like clockwork

>>6391775
>>Gets told to post work
>>Doesn't post work and retorts with a pyw
like clockwork

>>6391777
Post your work

>>6391552
If that's not crosshatching then what is that style of shading called?

>>6391778
>>6391777
>>6391775
>>6391768
>>6391752
>>6391751
>>6391749

>>6390929
Could he be referring to ethots or onlyfans or thots in general

>>6391815
Hatching, retard. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>6391832
I'm not event the same anon you originally replied too you stupid fucking faggot. Was just trying to figure out the semantics.

>>6391815
Are you even looking at it? None of hte lines cross hatch. It's not a matter of if it isnt. Use your eyes. This image uses crosshatching throughout. There is a clear difference. The angles of the hatching, the number of crosshatches, etc all form gradients and render the values.

>>6391818
if thats lucy you got her hair on backwards.

>>6391834
It's self-evident based on context. Think about hatching and then crosshatching and what inkers do. Gee, I wonder what the fuck it is??? Fucking brainless retard.

>>6391866
LMAO this faggot's actually seething. Next time look at the ip post numbers before shitting yourself over some imaginary argument you want to try and conjure up, you fucking embarrassment.

>>6391860
>flips canvas

>>6391866
there's no difference between hatching and cross hatching, retard

>>6391877
Hatching is one direction , cross hatching is multi directional, retard.

>>6391895
>A fork is no longer a fork if held upside down

>>6391895
>t. nodraw 'tard

>>6391877
>>6391919
If one can make a choice between using different hatching techniques then they are different. Why are you so adamant that there's no different? They both have the same goal of conveying value with line, but they're different approaches. There isn't a huge difference between them but they do have a different look, as >>6391835 and >>6391552 demonstrate.

Do however disagree that Miura "rarely" crosshatches. He just employs hatching as a part of his style, I would argue that he still fairly regularly crosshatched on pages. Maybe not so much on the big shock-and-awe spreads as have been mostly been posted ITT, but definitely within more typical pages of the work.

>>6391869
>>6391877
>>/a/

>>6391818
chicken scratch.

>>6391944
its like they don't know the terms hatching, crosshatching, contour hatching ,hatch patching and so on..

>>6391877
i would also like to point out that in your Wrightson image, not a single hatch crosses another so it is not cross hatching because it follows the forms its contour hatching. very elaborate contour hatching

>>6392485
You are unironically mentally ill if you need a different name for each way of fulfilling the same goal, rendering in with black ink.
Guess we need to rename chewing to molaring then since we use our molars to chew food, and rename walking to continuous foot displacement

>>6392491
they mean different things and have different effects in the art anon....

>>6392485
>>6392488
>>6392491
All of you in this thread insufferable, unreasonable, mentally ill, ngmi faggots.

>>6392494
>being this dense

>>6392497
ok anon....

>>6392499
Who hatched that?

>>6391877

>>6391877

>>6390948
imo the chin/jaw/nose/cheek area is too goblinoid, they're very prominent but actually kind of pointy and thin. And goblins are sort of based on old men, guts has a more youthful, broad, flat face, the archetypical chad. If you google "[athlete] screaming", you can probably get some good approximations, like "tom brady screaming". Funnily, he sort of looks like corkus here.

>>6391944
>There isn't a huge difference between them
that's your problem
>>6392491
>i'm going to call walking as "running"
that's how retarded you look

>>6392510
>t. high school art teacher
We’re gonna we’re stippling next, aren’t we Ms. Jones?

>>6392859
People who cross hatch are not artists, they're cross hatchers

not a single brain cell found within this thread except mine, i have a lot of them unlike every single one of you combined

>>6391745
>If Miura can't be considered god tier/master of his craft then who can?
Фpэнк Фpaзeттa is way better than Miura.

>>6389861
he never had sex

>>6391693
There is no other pupil you fucking faggot

>>6393099
shit anon you might be right

>>6389861
Just copy paste bro

Alright hatching, crosshatching, how do I learn this technique? Does the default CSP gpen work?

>>6393417
>how do I learn this technique?
study other artwork. There's literally no other way.

>>6393420
What artists have good and simple hatching so I can understand at least the basics? I love miura but his works have overwhelming amount of details, my beg brain will just explode.

>>6393424
Takehiko Inoue

>>6393462
I think I can try studying him, Thanks.
Does gpen work or I need to make some adjustments?

>>6390637
Underage permabeg found.

>>6389861
so fucking easy

>>6393424
http://gerhardart.com/

Dave Sim did a comic called Cerebus the Aardvark, and for over two thirds of its 300 issue run,adding spectacular backgrounds to the story Dave was telling,and still is still collaborating with people and doing commissions. This pic is from one,and you can see the process he uses.

And this is from his Hunchback of Notra Dame.

>>6393593
And it obviously less impressive than Miura, so?

>>6390757
Did you use a reference photo from the lord of the rings?

>>6393424
go watch richard friend videos on youtube. order by oldest since he mostly does art videos now. used show you how to ink, hatching, crosshatching, feathering, brushwork vs microns, various techniques and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHoqh27vQRw is not a dedicated inker or channel towards it, but this video is very simple, shows close ups and very simple crosshatching process. he does the entire image layer by layer (ie he'll hatch one direction for everything and then identify values that need crosshatching and come in with the second layer. if more values are needed, a third hatch in a different direction and so on). its as simplified as it gets.

if you want to learn, download masters and blue line their work. ink it like a comic book artist would do for pencil work (thats basically how they do it anyways - pencils scanned and sent to inker who prints it and inks over). try to see what direction he throws his lines. if its thicker at one end, try to identify if he did it with a pen or nib or brush and if its multiple lines to make the stroke or done in one motion. if there are white dots or spaces, are they done by crosshatching or did the artist come in with white out afterwards (most stars in night sky are just splatter white out/cover relevant area and use a toothbrush with white ink or white out and rub hand over it to splatter it or use a credit card or whatever). franklin booth and bernie wrightson havewhite spaces done entirely by cross hatching techniques while most comic book artists will do it digitally/photobash with assistants on computer or white out technique, depending on their preferences.

the point is to identify the way the line is made. inking is basically just make straigh tlines over and over. youll rotate paper and make that same straight line in a different direction.

>>6390757
I'm going to rep you and say this is equally impressive because you're doing this solo. It looks worse. But you probably put in roughly equal amounts of time on this, not counting his assistants' labor.
Pony autism be damned you a hustler.

>>6393692
Thanks man. I'm glad you liked it. I still have a long way to go but we're going to make it.
Anyway, have this Berserk related art of mine
https://files.catbox.moe/9nk7n1.png

>>6393637
I am actually playing a lot of Total war Warhammer and used a reference screenshot of it in game. Pretty helpful to get the scale and the appropriate placement of characters.

>>6389901
Did Guts ever got to fight a dragon?

>>6394049
No. Volume 3 had some kind of wyvern tho...

>>6393686
That's actually a very good idea, bro. Arigato.

>>6393218
this image is too big, i can almost see it

Miura did use cross hatching but only for certain materials, textures, like leather, smoke and such.

>>6389861
Time and patientce.
Assitants help too.

He used hatching. Something cross hatching is a subset of.

Micky Femto

>>6395187
that’s like saying washes are a subset of inking

>>6395777
inking breaks away from painting when used with finer points, but you can ink with a brush much like painting.
Anyway, you get similar results of cross hatching by hatching straight lines. You don't have to cross anything. You're hatching small lines, not making large strokes.

>>6395804
nigger, what the fuck does any of that have to do with washes, do you even draw

>>6395805
I do draw, but I actually have no idea what washes are.
Either way, I stand by my point that hatching straight lines is similar to cross hatching.

>>6390948
Your facial structure is just weird. That's all. I just pushed things around in the liquify tool.

His ability to make things appear massive is so impressive. I can't get that look.

by taking all nighters, drinking coffee until his heart burst, and knowing that people already feel in love with his work, so his only goal at this point is to leave a lasting impression