/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Posted at the end of last thread, but I started Keys to Drawing. I look forward to learning with you anons

>>6375612
Hello and welcome!
Good luck and have fun on your journey
You ever done anything before this because that doesn't look half bad

Want to make this as good as possible for a tattoo apprentice portfolio. Any suggestions before I finish it would be cherished dearly.

>>6374996
i really like your style and especially your lip study. kekd at the finger.
>>6374992
looking good bro
>>6374933
wonder why noone replied, i enjoy sketches that look like they came out of mspaint. also on a side note, the belly button got lost, haha
>>6374959
you could take a look into the suggested resources to improve
>>6374961
10/10
>>6375040
like your style
>>6375090
>cause it isnt evocative of anything
i think it's well-rendered. i would suggest to making them look at each other and think in therms of action/reaction.
>left is inquisitive
>right can react angrily, embarassed, flustered etc
right now the right character is too aloof for my taste
>>6375129
>time to draw cylinders and boxes in perspective
good idea. also i think your pipes came out well, especially if you haven't learned a bit of perspective yet
>>6375612
are you the hands guy from before? you're making progress already.
>>6375644
>tattoo apprentice portfolio
have you tattooed before? i'd ask myself if a picture included in the portfolio is an actual tattoo design or if they are supposed to show of your drawing skills/you as an artist. basically: does the idea on paper translate well on skin. for this picture, i would reconsider small details in the face, because i feel like the nose you chose in this picture will not be such a good choice when it's tattooed on real skin. i think it's too many small lines too close together.
keep in mind i'm still a beg, but this is what i am noticing.
- the right horn is on the side of the head 3 or 4 o'clock, the left horn is on the back 10 or 11 o'clock.
- it looks to me, like the knee in front is broken, the leg should be rotated inwards
- i think the feet are a little too small, even for a stylized choice
the flame is a very cool idea and i think you should play around with making it more edgy, like the tail, so it contrasts with the round eight-ball.

here are my latest drawings, i fucked up a lot, but i like to believe i sovlmaxxed this time too.

>>6375691
It looks alright but you should really improve your simmetry.

Out of curiosity, how much accuracy/control can you expect to have with "shoulder" movement in the nw-se intercardinal directions once you have good proficiency/muscle control over your shoulder? I always felt the shoulder to be awkward(obviously cause i don't use it) so i often just defaulted to wrist, fingers, and elbow. Now, as im trying to diagnose my horrible line quality problems and start good pencil control habits, I've realized i have barely any nw-se control and all of any such lines i solely make with the incredible short range of my fingers, which is probably a heavy bulk of my line issues. But as i try to adopt shoulder use it still feels fucking awful, like trying to draw with my other hand. It also doesn't seem like i'd ever have nearly the same speed or line throughput as i do with the reverse sw-ne options of wrist and elbow. And I feel like if it doesn't then the only options left to reach control/speed parity in both intercardinals would be to draw ambidextrously or flip/rotate your surface which is something i already kind of hate doing.

So if you're a beg who actually draws, are you able to make really clean straight lines in nw-se intercardinal? Can you do really tight/fast shading or hatching too(fingers excluded of course)?

tried to do animal like legs when i can barely do human legs,

>>6375735
Furry

>>6375709
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

>>6375562
oh hell yea. my first finished piece i posted got used as the OP

the more i look at it the more the face reminds me of beautiful squidward

>>6375709
just do some line exercises lol https://youtu.be/s6TUkkZoEDw

>>6375726
Reminds me of Friday the 13th 7, very cool

>>6375824
doesn't really address anything i said but okey. I mean just try it for yourself. Try and draw a draw a patch or section of one direction shading like a single hatching gradient block in either direction but specifically using your shoulder for nw-se.

Maybe its just me but the shoulder is incredible slow in comparison which is a shame since its your only major joint of articulation for those nw-se lines.

>>6375691
thanks

I will change the nose and the legs/feet, and the horns. All good little details. As for have I tattooed before--no. In my country, it's extremely frowned upon to tattoo without completing an apprenticeship, and most shops won't hire you if they found out you've done it without going through the process; it's called scratching. I've considered getting a tattoo machine and just doing it, but I wouldn't want to kill my name in the industry here.

should I be proud or ashamed of this?

I've been using Staedtler graphite pencils in my sketchbook but they've been smudging up the pages. Would using mechanical pencils stop it from smudging, and if so, any recommendations?

>>6375871
So much shame you should sepukku. Or bukkake. All them Japanese words are the same to me.

>>6375871
ta chido

>>6375865
>it's extremely frowned upon to tattoo without completing an apprenticeship
alright. i had the thought of including pictures of your designs pig skin or tattooing bananas and oranges but i don't know what's do/don't in the industry. wishing you the best for your apprenticeship.

>>6375871
Well it's not good

>>6375904
Cheers. I think some people do that, but the advice I was given was to not touch a tattoo machine until you have a mentor, otherwise you can pick up bad habits. Who knows... I get a lot of conflicting advice desu.

>>6375871
Reminds me of Sonic’s girlfriend from the early concept art.

>>6375871
i like it sissydarling

I need to draw some hanging lanterns or something to establish the light source above.

>>6375562

>>6375950

>>6375871
be proud of everything you manage to finish

>>6375627
Thanks friend, I have doodled over the years but never consistently. Lurking here made me want to actually understand what I'm doing.
>>6375691
I'm afraid I'm not the hand guy. I posted a guy with japanese biker gang hair. I like the top left lady, her cheeks look like they would be very jiggly

i dont even care about art made this completely meaningless piece of nonexistant characters

does anyone have that /ic/ books graphic?

Hello beg. Yesterday i got so mad i had to finish the shit today! FUCK memory exercises

>>6375612
Nice feet. Good luck with the book, at the beggining the skill curve is very steep
>>6375644
lewd tattoos > safe for work tatoos, tits out!
>>6375709
nice overthinking. less thinking more drawing
>>6375719
i like the doggo

>>6375562
Any feedback is appreciated.

>>6376337
>tfw you go outside and step on a black hole

>>6376349
>tfw you couldn't escape the leg shrinking fart

hello

>>6376337
i think if ur gonna do that dramatic of a foreshortening on his left leg, you have to apply it to the rest of the body in the same relation to make it make sense

looks like he has a lil toothpick baby leg

>>6376414
yellow

gonna do more interesting poses next

>>6376706
Head is poorly balanced on the spine.

>>6376791
i see. so i should move it back a little bit?

looking for crit on the face

>>6376878
why you want critique for ai drawing lol

>>6376887
i asked for crit on the face because i drew the face.

>>6375878
Whats the hardness of the pencil you are using?
The hardness of the lead is what matters not whether its a mechanical pencil or not.

>>6375878
you could use a piece of paper for your hand when you're drawing and use fixitive when you're done

>>6376890
Truly thats why you post ''your'' goldenwarrior.png in full frame. This is just sad.

>>6376923
i never tried to take credit for it. i have now said 3 times i drew the face. id like crit on the face. picrel is how AIs make faces. not sure why youre asking me about the file name.

In the end, I think I did pretty well. I still need to learn more about colouring and backgrounds though.
Also, how do you learn to simulate how a shirt's folds affects its design?

>>6376706
anon when you do drawings like this in a simple static pose the point is to nail the proportions and stuff. but the proportions are completely different in every picture. just draw a straight line across the top and bottom of her head, it's in completely different places. and the bottom of her shorts and hands. try to get everything consistent. the 3/4 view is the trickist but a simple trick is that the front and back view should fit over each other perfectly with something sticking out. and then the side view is pretty simply as well. as i said draw a line straight across from each feature to line everything up correctly. if your proportions are different depending on the angle then i don't see the point.

>>6376938
maybe just draw a grid on the shirt following the wrinkles to see how the grid would fold, and then draw the design flat on another grid, and then fill in the one on the shirt square by square.

or just wing it.

>>6376943
that makes sense. I obviously winged it for this one, but there still needs to be some ounce of knowledge going into winging stuff in, y'know?

Done

>>6376958
her hips dont make any sense so her waist looks weird. nice feet n tiddies tho.

>can tell my art is improving
>but it's a slow process made even slower by my lack of diligence

idk how to get myself to buckle down and practice/study more
how many hours a day at minimum would you guys recommend?

best gesture starter guide?

>>6375562
Got myself a tablet and started messing around with digital art recently. But I must ask, when should I change my nibs? Is there a telling sign for it? Scratching or dragging or something?

>>6376979
if you already aren't drawing daily start drawing daily. 30 minutes and work your way up to more, think of it like building cardio, when you first hit the treadmill running will be hard but the more you do it the more you acclimate to doing it for longer periods of time

Thoughlts?

A niaiserie in progress

Hands are hard but i guess im getting good at this

more attempts to get better at lighting, not satisfied but i cant work on it anymore.

>>6377102
these are pretty good

>>6376565
Gicing me 'gone with the blastwave vibes' verry nice.
My feeling tells me the bodies hanging could be a bit wider even if they're slumped downward.

gm /bint/

>>6375562
I'm starting from scratch with no drawing knowledge or practice whatsoever. From my research it looks like finishing drawabox (starting boxes this week) and then reading through something like Drawing From the Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing And really applying myself to what I want (figure drawing, perspective/3D drawing, and drawing from the imagination) would be the best 2-3 year plan (not meaning to do DaB or KtD for 3 years but starting there). Any advice? Where would you start if you had to restart? I don't really draw now since my drawing is pretty much stuck at "sticky note doodle" level because of a skill issue, but want that to change through practice.

>>6375845
Just use elbow and do SE to NW?
>learnt one must draw from the shoulder
>tfw bursitis or something
Ugh

I want to make some of my pieces into stickers

>>6377214
I would have drawn more clothes alongside figure drawing instead of just grinding nude models endlessly. I think drawing more from ref would have been better. I did maybe 10% of my drawings from ref only... I think maybe 50/50 split would have saved me a lot of time

>>6376337
maybe you can push your ambient occlusion further? I'm not great either so its just advice from a beg to another beg lol

>>6377238
I like!

>>6377214
Loomis and Bridgman are always good.

>>6377256
I actually just bought Bridgman's biggest book this morning. It looks like I'll need to gain some experience before his stuff is useful to me. Loomis also looks good and was my 50/50 choice, between him or Dodson. Guess it doesn't hurt to read through both, they both seem right at the level where they'd be useful to someone at the "understands fundamentally how to hold a drawing tool and make marks confidently to draw the thing they want and not the thing they don't want" level, which is where I'd like to be before I really start studying. But maybe I'm overthinking it.

Hands make me want to die

>>6377445
It's not that bad anatomically but you only have one shadow value and I've light value and you hatching is just going on one direction. Those two reasons are why your drawings don't look good. Look into videos that show you how to do values. I think most people will recommend breaking it into 5 values. And then you can let the shadow and light shaped define the form instead of the outlines.

Is "Draw the Marvel Way" book good? It advises scribbling and "sculpting", but I assume that's just a way to learn drawing.

>>6375699
thanks for your suggestion, i tried to keep symmetry in mind today
>>6377515
neat, how did you get the idea?

>>6377515
Why would only her clothes dissapear?

critique pls? thx

>>6377631

>>6377631
>>6377633
Moah seg ej Gertje!
Not bad. Although I'd like some more contrast darker darks used sparsely like reverse highlights.
I can see you didn't use the picture as reference.
What's the fruit I don't recognize it

>>6377645
> Moah seg ej Gertje!
idk what this phrase means but thanks for the critique lol i'll push the value more in my next assignment.
uhhhh about the fruit... desu i dont have a clue either, and i didnt bother asking my instructor, but it's a fake fruit, pomegranate maybe.

i did use the reference for the construction but the actual lighting in picrel is too ugly, like there's lots of light source presented at once so i just kinda make it up.

>>6377691
what is it?

>>6377214
anon pls read my advice
as someone with no drawing experience who went through DaB box challenge and got approved via official critiquers:

MAKE SURE you follow the 50% rule. You HAVE to spend half the time drawing stuff you want to draw between the boxes. Otherwise it’s not nearly as valuable. You’ll come out of that challenge knowing how to draw some okay boxes and nothing else

I made the mistake of just grinding boxes every day for 50 days or so. Wish I had spent 100+ days doing them with drawings in between

>>6377669
>idk what this phrase means
Oh you're a Walloon?
>i did use the reference for the construction
It seemed like you drew it live and then took a pic from a slightly different angle.

>turn off brain
>have fun just making shit up

>>6376319
T-thanks anon, I tried the hand exercise today. I think I need to raise the nails up and round out the bottoms of my fingertips a little more for the foreshortening. It's fun though

finally a painting that is not totally embarassing

>>6377515
dope

>>6377762
I'm also in that anon's position and it's hard to follow the rule. You WANT to draw but really don't have the muscles or skills TO draw. So you imagine drawing your car but there's just no applicable skills and it looks like something a child free, right? Is there worth in that? So there must be some pre-step to DaB where you gain scribble skills that allow you to produce pleasing art that can benefit from the DaB rules. Tough call.

>>6377184
Rendering of the car throws the piece way off.

>>6377873
the key to gaining drawing skills that make things look pleasing is to just draw, you have to accept that you are shit in order to get better; the whole process is drawing, realising your mistakes, and trying again

just like learning an instrument, you start off sounding like shit and slowly with practice you know how to sound better

>getting pretty good at drawing things accuracy
>suck at imagination stuff
So should I start doing drawings from memory as a part of my studies? It's kinda disappointing to see myself progress well with observation but not be able to draw without "copying"

>>6377865
I would suggest you to turn off brush opacity.

AHHHHHHHH WHY

>>6378011
thank you, will do next time

>>6378018
kek, her right foot looks to be farther but is bigger

almost put myself in a mental hospital lulz

I've been using Quickposes, mainly doing timed practice with poses, faces, and animals. This has how I've been practicing as of late but I'd like to switch it up. Are there any other good drawing exercise sites?

>>6378121
so you're an unironic tranny? i kinda feel bad for you ngl. stay strong.

>>6378161
actually know someone who got put into a mental hospital with 14.
i dont know a lot about him her beside the fact that 1 year later they are trans now
also got recently caught stealing for no reason
dunno kid is fucked up in general and them being trans isnt so outta the blue

Hello beg, i suffer.

>>6378121
suicide is permanent solution to (often) temporary problem
>>6378050
thumbs up, your uoooohs are very cute
>>6378003
drawing what you see is observation = BEG skill
drawing what you dont see is INT discipline and many books recommends construction, anatomy, gestures, perspective, forms...
And you forgot to PYW!
>>6377865
When painting you need at least two brushes: one fuzzy big such as the one you used and then one for details + sharp edges. I like the smug expression of the pig
>>6377631
its somewhat blurry and low contrast. But otherwise the hatching and depth are excellent. I kneel
>>6377515
nice story telling + soul
>>6377214
DrawABox is extremly anti-fun autistic and has biggest chance to make you quit. I recc the DrawingOnRightSideOfBrain and then KeysToDrawing which teaches observation and levels you up into solid BEG. After that you can do whatever you want since you will have the FUNdies
>>6377184
is this power of INT?
>>6377125
the combination of both black and green outline is perplexing me. Why having two of them? Also you should put white highlight on her fat thick leg.
>>6376994
i changed my nib twice now, after ~75 days of drawing and you can tell its time to change them since nib is so short the stylus doesnt pick up the pressure anymore from sharp angles
>>6376958
i am probably professionally deformed after drawing 5 schedules focusing only on drapery in a row but your coach is very lazy. Nice anime girl
>>6376565
soul

>>6377882
yea it was a lazy mistake on my part. i did the car separately then just slapped it on the environment after that. definitely would try to make my colors work with each other next time
>>6378166
just a good ol beg sir

>>6378121
cute cutting stuff but remember that recovery is always a harder but better path. it took me 8 years to get 6 months clean because it got so bad, so you should stop now before it borderlines addiction. try talking about it to someone anon.

I tried to paint dew on a ball, does it seem correct ?

>>6378162
i was in one last year. it felt like the stanley parable.

I’m trying to get back into drawing and I’d like to know whether there were tricks to draw more smoothly and fill better. I’ve looked at some stuff I drew back when I was 13 and tried to copy some elements, but I can’t seem to improve. I have cerebral palsy but it doesn’t affect my hands as much, however I have some trouble with finer stuff. Are there any drawing with a disability tutorials?

hehe transgender

la cretura

i need to doodle trying to learn gesture quicksketch is destroying me

>>6378193
They look correct to me. I see you're following Dorian Iten's videos, which are probably the best source for this. It's also worth checking out Steven Zapata.
The only thing I'd add is the occlusion shadow. That really makes the form read 3d.

Finally back after three weeks or so of being just unable to draw. I've been dieting and am down over ten pounds so far. Today was the first day I could think enough to draw in my new sketchbook.
Also got my noodler's Ahab working again, so that's fun!

No one cares but I got my first (human) follower today :)

>>6378260
me

Posted a few threads ago and got roasted like a chestnut on Christmas morning because I used a stock image for the clams and then I was a huge dickhead about it. I turned a new leaf and tried to actually render them and I am once again begging for morsels of feedback.

>>6378235
Is the image from the angle you drew it at? Because your drawing looks closer up than where you are in in space. If not, incredible that you managed to make it look convincing from a closer angle, but you probably want to practice a bit with capturing what you see 1:1. If so, then Cary on. Notebook still lifes are kino btw

I have problems with anatomy as it is, now I'm trying to draw someone holding a guitarjust for some fotm. Just end me.

>>6378292
looks decent to me nigger. If you change the way you look at things the things you look at change

>>6378292
who's fotm atm? I thought it was chainsaw man

>>6378299
recently I dont really like anything I sketch, I dont know if this is normal while learning.

>>6378301
The current "cute anime girls doing cute things" anime. I don't know if it is THAT popular, but its called Bochi the Rock.

>>6378269
It's me drawing freehand semi stylistically, I know it's not 1:1. This is more about making something pleasing with the pen rather than being it exact.
I'm taking what vilppu said about timed gesture drawings and putting it to the shit I'm looking at while they load the trailer.
Also note that the cab shakes while they do this, making trying to be exact frustrating at best and impossible at times.
I could get out, but it's cold. Fuck that!

>>6378269
Oh, and thank you! I appreciate the compliments. I'm just tired and forgot to say so last post.

>>6378268
nice ying, though i like them more when their limbs are like twigs about to snap

based vilppu says you can't draw something unless you know what it looks like. Does this mean I should study anatomy before attempting to draw from imagination?

>>6378318
draw from imagination and see where you fail, then look up references and try again, another way is to do the reverse

>>6378318
The video I saw I remember him saying two things.
Something to the effect of "there is value on studying anatomy," and the one you're referring to "study the object until you can do it from memory."
Does it mean you should? Maybe, but you don't need to know what fake Latin names faggot Victorian doctors gave each muscle, that's for sure. The book might help, tho.

>>6377265
Best of luck. Remember to just do it and that sometimes "bad" experience is better than none.

I dont understand gesture. I dont understand what im supposed to really be doing. How much detail, how accurate to the ref etc. etc.

I don't chicken scratch when drawing traditionally (which is my preferred method) but for some reason I do it with digital art. And I find that I have a more difficult drawing digitally in general. Any tips?

>>6378063
>>6378077
>>6378239
>>6378325
post one of your real drawings msp anon

>>6378362
Sorry it posted sideways.
I alway start drawing a skull, skeleton or corpse but i never know how to finish it. Any idea on what should i do with this? Or a backround

Did this one about 6 months ago. Crazy how ive improved so fucking much.

>>6378315
Noted, I was actually gonna redraw them but forgot. Thanks for the reminder

How do you know where all the bits and pieces are going to overlap each other? I always draw the whole form or shapes without the forethought of leaving space for other forms to overlap or intersect.
I constantly find myself picking up a rubber or ruining my ink drawings because I get flustered when I continue to make the same mistake.

Could it be perspective issue or something

Hello :)

>>6378121
>>6378191
just replace it with something healthy like alcohol or heroin.
None of that cutting business.
Why do people even cut themselves when you can cut a nice steak and cook it and eat it with baked taters and onion like some kind of Frankish Emperor before a battle.
I would really like to know why you think cutting is cool like some angsty teen wuss instead of just being a man and fucking and drinking and eating and hunting and stuff.
Going to go do cocaine now, later pussy cats!

thumbnail is not related

>>6378575
Use a light box

>>6378580
nise :D

>>6378235
Truckanon!
Welcome back brother. If anyone's going to make it in this crab bucket it's you and pawell, restarting after a hiatus is big dick energy nice!
> I've been dieting and am down over ten pounds so far.
Damn at newyears when everyone is like whats your ny resolution you'll be like that's for fags I already did what I wanted to do and lost 10 pounds ez
Gmi, I can see improvements from your earlier posts.
You have any kind of practice structure in mind or just doodling rn?

>>6378354
Unironically, watch the vilppu shit on YouTube

>>6378638
Thank you so much!
Just doing whatever I can for now. Quitting overeating is almost as hard as quitting smoking was. Also I was walking a lot last three weeks while the weather was still good. Yesterday was cold so I decided to just start the new sketchbook already. Here's the first page. Is more of a warm up, but it looks better than the first sketchbook.
Also I packed some scrap paper for timed gesture drawings so I don't waste good thick sketchbook paper.

>>6378292
Ok, i doodled something else in company time. I personally like it more.

>>6378214
dude has two left hands

death to tranime posters

What's the best site to post your art on? I've got IG and twitter already (https://mobile.twitter.com/Eddoref))
Should I just focus on producing art to post there or should I try tumblr, maybe make a blogspot as a substitute for a personal site, though I guess tumblr is pretty similar. I just like the idea of how stable blogspots seem to be. I'd love a personal site but I can't code and don't feel like paying money till I have more of a career.
Also drew this. Would love some feedback.

>>6378817
Nice! I like the simplification of the hands.

>>6378362
Nice texturework!

>>6378871
hot
>>6376414

Why are all the mega files gone? What the fuck happened?

>>6379112
schizo bot reporting mega links across 4chan

what kind of drawing board is good to get?
I saw a creepy anime where they would wear these huge clipboards with string around their neck.

>>6376045
Starting my third year in art. I’m much better at painting, still suck at drawing. These pieces took me the same time, about an hour and 10 minutes. I just do it as a hobby so I guess I just need to keep pushing through.

>>6377873
No dude you literally have to do those shitty child scribbles. there is so much worth in that. you just have to power through and finish it knowing it will be bad.

but it’s the only way

Burlap texture study

>>6375562
im gonna post two of my shitposting drawings

I know is edgy as fuck. I was trying to make a very tall and imitimidating figure that still was very skinny and thin in design. Either way, any critiques are welcome, thanks.

>>6379334
Smaller resolution, i forgot to reduce it. My bad

>>6378214
I fucking knew it is a tranny artstyle.
>>6379334
Build the figure using the intimidating shapes with rough, angly edges and sharp shadows.
Ie:
>inverted triagle for the torso, and so on with the triangles

tried the recommendation of turning off opacity this time

wip

Low quality doodles with rare free time.

>>6379476
values, my dude. your shark blends in completely with the water

>>6379476
kino

>>6379534
Sharks kinda do that IRL

Looked at Loomis on amazon and read a review that said Loomis was racist so I went back and upgraded to the hardcover "Fun With a Pencil."

>>6379578
Based

>>6379579
I continued reading and it appears Loomis is regarded as sexist too so I went back for "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth."

>>6378362
try drawing the scene in a thumbnail first, like the thumbnail in >>6378592

>>6379534
>your shark blends in completely with the water
in my defence, i was only allowed five values, but you are right in that i could have done a better job with the lower jaw at least
what >>6379571 said.

>>6378235
welcome back truckanon, ygmi

>>6379042
not in the position that i could give meaningful critique, it's a really pleasing style and i'm getting ghibli vibes from it

>>6379225
> I just need to keep pushing through
ygmi

>>6379334
i think this is a very cool idea and i think you should never delete it so you can look back in a few years.

>>6379334
The posture reads like a cool built dude with lanky proportions but good posture. Like >>6379354
said, try build the shape of the silhouette first with big blocky shapes first and then go into details later. Can get a cool pose if you do it that way too :) I had a go at it for you, just with big shapes to start off if you understand what I mean

>>6379599
Get something about drapery too

BANG!!!

>>6378292
>>6378823
How do I attain this level of hands? I understand the anatomy well enough I can draw passable ones, but my hands always look stiff and boring.

>>6379774
think in shapes and draw more hands

>>6379755
I literally just got it lmfao, based Burney

>>6379782
Now let us just be gracious and assume I'm already drawing a lot and want some actual, non-vague advices, is there any good resources of hands for referencing or general rules when it comes to the positioning of the fingers in certain poses, ect.?

>>6379766
pretty cool, the gun is flipped though

>>6379825
Bridgman's book of 100 hands maybe? Burne Hogarth's dynamic hands?

>>6379829
Thanks, I will check them out

Can anyone remind me who the old French guy is who uses a dirty old cloth to trace out figures

>>6379825
There's also a pretty good reference at the end of your arm.

>>6379826
Damn you’re right! I needa stop and think before using my references haha

Hello beg. Heads

>>6379766
Bioshock reference
>>6379588
not appealing to me but i cant ignore it. thumbs up
>>6379532
Something tells me you are DBZ fan from south america
>>6379225
if you are good at painting then you dont need drawing for more than rough sketch, no?
>>6379042
i kneel
>>6378575
i am pretty sure tradfags first make rough sketch with lightest possible pencil strokes (easiest to erase) and then have second go with ink and such where they finalize the stuff. And obviously you figure out overlaps in the first phase so there should be no surprises when you have ink tool in hand
>>6378358
my tip is to draw (and realize there is nothing wrong with chicken scratch)
>>6378354
i have drawn 12x5x50=3000 gestures by now and i still dont get it. Dont worry about them. Btw every book or course considers something else as gesture and some claim gesture is the most important shit ever while others treat it as curiosity which exists but thats about it
>>6378268
Nice clams. Now i can only criticize the lack of background, the fact that the clams are more detailed than the kangaroo thing and i dont know how to approach the miniature meme in top left corner. Is it like lore for the pic? Why is it there? What did you mean by this?
>>6378260
PYW + PYB (post your blog)
>>6378235
you got better :-O without drawing :-O do people get better at drawing by not drawing?
>>6378208
Patience for starters. Then taking photo of your paper at good angle so it isnt skewed and we can see the whole thing. As far as the filling goes, get better tools like stick of charcoal. Also get stack of 500 papers for printer.

Where do I go from here?

>>6379835
There is, yes, but not a good one

>>6379844
>do people get better at drawing by not drawing?
I think it's because I was obsessing over art and neglecting my physical health and diet. I didn't so much get better as stopped getting worse. I've noticed this happen with miniature painting and playing the guitar. The more I focus on practicing hard, the narrower my mind gets and the shittier the results get.

>>6379845
Draw her profile and 3/4 view?

>>6379845
colour it

idk how to use colours, are they too saturated or something? Esp using green on the face any advice with that?

>>6379874
._'

>>6379876
ah thanks good catch

tried to fix

Impressions?

>>6380003
the part where the guitar touches her leg is quite far away so it will be hard to play. Elbow feels a bit pointy/sharp. Tough angle though so good job

>>6380003
Perspective on guitar is wrong. Guess everything isn't in its right place

>>6379849
Idk what you mean man
Drawing your hand is probably the best reference you can get
I do it all the time
Take a picture of your hand in whatever pose you’re trying to get and break it down into shapes like pic related

>>6380029
>Perspective on guitar is wrong.
You think? Should I tilt it forward? If i do that then it will unconfortable to play
>Guess everything isn't in its right place
Fuck you, Carlos

>>6380033
the sticking out bit is straight on to the camera but the main body is tilted back

idk what I'm doing tonight
>>6379845

>>6379845
Hate drawing faces from directly on, always looks A: dull B: human faces arn't even symmetrical but if you don't draw them 1:1 it looks so fucked. any other angle is more appealing imo

NOT a red line just a draw

Page of doodles what looks most appealing?

>>6379845
if you like the drawing you got draw various expressions I guess

>>6379844
>clams
Thanks for the feedback homie. Imma try to paint the next one a little more realistically+give it a background and we'll see what happens. I have never done anything with color before so I'm a bit in over my head

The meme is there for those who've read the webcomic she's from to sort of explain the joke I'm trying to tell

A representation of 3 souls: The Bug-man, the Man of Faith, and the Nietzschean.

Gotta start somewhere.

Getting properly started with art, gonna start by learning how to draw the torso. Any tips?

>>6380272
How old are you? If you're starting past the age of 20 you are almost guaranteed to not be able to get good at it.

>>6380276
I'm 20 but idgaf lol. What does age have anything to do with it?

>>6380200
Bottom right

>>6380278
Have you ever gotten good at anything? If you did, you would know age has everything to do with it. 20 is very late, but you might just make it if you have latent talent.

>>6380272
I am >>6380012

Personally I think I would have learned faster if I did more copying and drawing from ref. Would recommend you follow the sticky as best you can, and go on google and look up "/ic/ big sticky".

>>6380291
lmao you're a real debbie downer huh?

>>6380272
Draw from observation, my best advice is to not get overwhelmed with the amount of resources available. You should read Keys To Drawing by Bert Dobson. Very very good introduction. Do all the exercises in that and then you’ll have a good baseline and can start working more independently. >>6380276 is a crab. You can start drawing at any age. Van Gogh didn’t start art until he was literally almost 30 and he never received any formal art school training.

>>6380295
Thanks! I've read through the stickies a few times and have tried some of the stuff but it was rather unenjoyable.

As for following references, the image I uploaded was done from reference!

>>6380298
Van gogh's paintings are shit though.

>>6380303
>>6380305
is that you, buccifag?

>>6380298
Thanks for the actual advice instead of just saying I have no chance lmao, I appreciate that. Will definitely give that a look and just draw from reference more! The drawings I uploaded were done from reference but obviously I have much to improve upon.

>>6380302
you are completely uninteresting and the only person you are impressing is yourself

>>6380305
ignore this one, updated version below

>>6380309
whos bucci?

>>6380303
>>6380305
>>6380321
Do you own clothes?

>>6380326
everyone does, you're point?

>>6380328
The creases on the clothes look odd, especially on the shirts. I think that's what they were getting at.

>>6380298
You are setting him up for failure just to make yourself feel better. Be realistic.
>>6380318
Cope

just fucking end me

cant make a human not look like some terrible hellspawn

>>6380336
ah I see. i drew this awhile ago and im just now adding flats to it so im not gonnna bother fixing it, but thanks tho.

>>6380342
Get comfortable doing 30s to 1 minute poses first, focus on the proportions and angle of the limbs

>>6380342
doesnt look that bad. just watch David Finch on YT, he's a great start if you're a beginner.

>>6380298
>>6380311
You've got the idea but the point isn't to make boxes, the point is to approximate forms into simpler ones sorta like how a sculptor iteratively works to refine their piece.

Start by drawing from observation. Still life's of random objects in your house are a good start. You'll start to understand how to break things up as you do that, and that will include humans. Your constructions kinda get the idea down, but it looks more to me like you drew the constructions from reference images of someone else's constructions. Ya feel me?

I did the same thing when I first started by the way

>>6380338
>Acts like a snobby artist
>Doesn't post his shitty art
Come on now anon, you can't expect anybody to take you seriously if you don't have the art to back yourself up

>>6380351
Oops meant >>6380272 , not >>6380298

>>6380351
I understand! And I did do one of them from a worksheet lol. The others are my own though. I think I understand what you mean. I'll try some still life, I suppose. Thank you!

>>6380361
Good luck bro

>>6380364
thanks bro

>>6380361
You aren't going to make it

>>6380383
im going to try harder just to prove you wrong lmao, thanks for the inspiration <3

>>6380383
Post your art. I’ll go easy on you with my first ever digital piece. /tg/fags will ‘member.

>>6380276
i made the OP image and i’m 30. we’re all gonna make it bud

Quicks, mostly poor imagination; Left side will be western stuff but that takes a while.
Will post something unrelated to that in a week probably, once I think of something to do seriously.
Pretty lol worthy in places.
>>6379844
>South America
Not really, but shrug worthy close enough.

>>6380265
>I learned the truth at seventeen....

can someone redline the boob? cant seem to place it correctly

>>6380541
same here

just a little drawing for fun
opium den thief

Is there a word salad app that you can use as drawing prompts? Just something that runs through simple descriptive or "job" words and then runs through proper nouns so you end up with random things like "wizard duck," "colossal gardener," or "heroic bumblebee?" As I type through that I think you could easily just build some tables in excel actually but probably someone had the idea first and there's a few things out there already.

>>6380564
Pretty much my goal for representative figure drawing, how have you studied?

Looking for some technical help with pic related. It isn't mine btw.

As you can see on the circled red part, on the character's right arm, the artist shaded the arm in one stroke along the white and yellow zones.

How do I achieve this?
I usually pick each individual color, and manually change it (Darken + hue ajustement) to fit the shading, but here the artist did the shading of both color in one stroke. What's the technique for this?
I tried doing a Multiply layer, but it doesn't work.

>>6380832
looks like a multiply layer, make sure the layer is above the flats

>>6380832
Multiply or overlay layer and mess with the oppacity too maybe.

>>6380832
Tell when you figure it out. I'm interested.

>>6380860
>>6380859
How it's supossted to be multiply? Multiply used one color but here clearly 2 absolute different group?

>>6380905
like this?

>>6380905
Try it

Is there a tablet or program that allows me and one other person to draw in the same instance? In real time? So that the use case would be one person drawing or instructing and the other one trying things out and getting feedback in realtime?

>>6380947
I've seen people use magma studio

>>6380924
NTA, but hold on, how do you do that?
I must be retarded, because it doesn't do that with mine.

>>6380961
the colour you use on the multiply layer matters, try using different colours and see what effects they have

>>6375562

Anons... which software should I use? Should I pirate PS or CSP? Or just go with the open source like Krita?

>>6380832
Make a new layer above your base color

Set its opacity to 50%

Choose the color black

>>6380924
>>6380925
Oh fuck. Ever since I was just starting to draw, and I was watching a bunch of crappy guides on YouTube, I had the idea in my head that when we use multiply we need to take the main color and just move it a little...
I'm really disappointed, I always thought multiply was crappy because of this.

>>6380896
Okay, I think I figured it out.

1. Make a layer of flat colors of your choice
2. Create a multiply layer above
3. Now, choose a completely different color and shade by painting above it. But DO NOT USE THE BASE COLOR OF YOUR FLAT LAYER.

For example, in, pic related I used a purple-ish color very desaturated.
I just realised I always understood multiply wrong during all that time, and I'm kind of pissed off.

office job has somehow started wrecking my shoulders, something about sitting still for a long time causes some intense pain and a click and hitch right at the 3 o'clock or NE sector if i draw a circle. going to PT and have some stretches and exercises that help but has anyone here ever had a thing like this? did you fix it? so freaking weird, one day the shoulder decided i wasn't sitting right and the pain and tension just built up according to the physiotherapist.

>>6381002
do stretches and exercise more, it's that easy

>>6381006
i will. i thought i'd been doing enough before, was very active, exercised frequently and slowed down as the pain mounted. oh well. ibuprofen, ice and stretch and just push through for now.

>>6381007
you should make a habit of taking frequent breaks to split those periods of sitting down up, 5 minutes to go get a glass of water and stretch

Any tips would be great

Is there a secret to getting a good brush that blends? I feel like im constantly color picking and smudging when all i want is a brush that mixes the two colors together better.

If im trying to improve on my shadows and lighting understanding. Should I take this piece and keep working it or just start a new one and pump them out fast with different models and angles.

First watercolor ive done in a long time.

>>6381081
perspective needs work

>>6381081
I like the subject and feeling, can't speak of the skill involved.

>>6381026
I think you have a solid grasp of values. Maybe try to simplify them a bit more, that helped me a lot in the past. Use only three values - 10%/50%/90%, and try to deconstruct the ref with those three values into something recognizable and appealing. I used to do it with screencaps of films or paintings.

>Is there a secret to getting a good brush that blends?

Nope. I used to do the same thing as you: paint>blur/smudge>repeat. Photoshop has kinda shitty color blending. When I discovered the magic that is CSP and its watercolor brushes it changed my life. You just gotta try different tools out until you come across something you, personally, like.

>>6381081

>>6381084
>>6381086
Appreciate the crits.

Painting doesnt represent actual life very well. Found it difficult to stop foreground trees from blending into the back. Didnt preserve white space as well as I wanted.

>>6381098
appreciate it greatly
And will give them a try. I havent done much PSD painting so its something im unfamiliar with.

>>6380988
You gotta understand how values work so you can understand how layer modes work.

Let me try to simplify it:

You have a <value> that, inside the program, is specified by a number. The number is either 0 or 1, or any value in between 0 and 1. Meaning 0 = Absolute black and 1 = absolute white. And decimal value between 0 and 1 is a shade of gray.

Once you understand this, you can understand how the multiply layer works. The colors you have on your flat color layer have a certain numerical value of Hue, Saturation and Luminosity. When you apply a multiply layer above, the layer quite literally multiplies the value of the layer directly below it times the value on the multiply layer. So, if you have a 0.5 gray on the layer below and another 0.5 gray on the multiply layer, the equation will be 0.5x0.5=0.25, meaning the value shown on screen will be a 0.25 grey (a darker shade of grey).

It does the same with Hue and Saturation, which will help you understand how the color varies if you multiply by a warmer or a colder color.

Hope this helps.

>>6381107
You don't necessarily have to download CSP. Photoshop has some wet media brushes that do color blending. You can sorta modify them to make them softer or harder to your liking. You can identify them by right-clicking the brush tool and selecting the option that has a small water drop over the brush icon.

But at some point maybe you'll realize that, while Photoshop is a great tool for photo editing, it isn't so great for painting. Photoshop is good at doing many things, while other software like Clip Studio or Krita are really great for one specific thing: drawing and painting. Which is why they have dedicated color blending brushes that are easy to find and use, and have color blending engines that achieve a more appealing result than photoshop.

>>6381110
Cheers anon, it was actually useful and very good to know.

>>6381102
Personally I would desaturate all the greens and bring out the warm hues in the sky and reflection

>>6381110
A more useful info than what you can find in tutorials.

Why is this so hard

>>6381196
The late 70s anime look is kino. Personally my goal is that Lodoss War/90s look but this is an attractive style imho. Keep doing it.

>>6381196
it will be hard if u dont use guide lines

>>6381196
It's hard because it's worthwhile

>>6381196
If I spend more than one minute on a sketch it's no good

>>6381227
not yours fag

hello my beggers, does anyone have a dump of face references ? or knows where to find some ?
tyty

>>6381241
beg dont use refs, if they did they wouldnt be here

>>6381119
Nah ill give it a shot, free for 3 months so no harm in trying.

>>6380393
Oh it shows

>>6378121
No more cutting please-please! We know the pain is sometimes overwhelming but there is a way out of it! If nothing else, do more art to ease the bad feelings! You can rise about this. We believe in you!

>>6380197
Enface can be apealing you just don't get it, your drawing is full of errors.

>>6381141
Thanks for the crit, completely agree.

>>6375562

New thread when?

>>6381624
When you make one faggot

>>6381277
>>6380391
Show your art you coward

>>6381357
yee, i'm shit. I think my anatomy is pretty decent but I can't make anything "appealing".

>>6381423
Boxville, a very familiar land to me.

>>6381685
You are not shit, there is just room to improve.

Hello beg. Today i had a revelation. While i was copying gesture / sketch from this old master called Delacroix i wondered why ALL THREE art books i have been through included such simple crude sketches from him (while he made mighty grand stuff) and put it on full page as the best piece ever (while showing way more complex and better pieces in smaller areas). And while i was copying it i realized the grand truth of gesture. When master does gesture, it floats, it moves, it uses minimum amount of strokes to tell as much as possible, it even exaggerates the object.

I am so pitiful beg in comparison all my 3050 gestures i made so far are utterly shit and broken. They arent drawings. They arent even diagrams. They are broken diagrams. The only saving grace is that the time wasnt complete waste. I wouldnt understand this without the prior grind. When i first saw Delacroix sketches in KtD or DoRSoB i only saw curious scribbles. I think i now understand why people can point out when some drawing was made by tracing photo or model. Its stiff, lifeless, a diagram.

Now all whats left is to figure out how to actually apply any of this into actual drawing process. To draw more than what i just observe. Or how to observe the reference on deeper level. Begtard /blog

>>6381196
Because it is fucking hard
>>6381081
i kneel
>>6381026
you need to experiment as the other anon said. Smudge tool is utter shit. You want blending tool or some fancier app which simulates mixing colors or water. Krita, CSP, Rebelle, Corel Painter. BTW even in shitty app like gimp you can achieve good "blending" effect with proper brush. You want something asymmetrical with very fuzzy edges so nobody can see the single strokes. And instead of smudge you use eraser (with same brush) on areas where you want to blend into lighter tones.
>>6380968
Krita and wait for humble bundle to sell premium software like corel painter and others for 10$
>>6380564
Soul
>>6380265
i like it

>>6381691
hot

>>6381685
You are good enough to make money from fetish comms desu

>>6381716
that's not a compliment

>>6381738
insult or not 500 dollars is 500 dollars

Digital bros would you recommend just buying an iPad or are there specific tablets that better serve the purpose?

>>6378121
I don't know why art attracts so many people with mental health problems but get off the internet and seek professional help. I know of another artist that killed himself and the last thing I want to see is you doing it too.

>>6381795
No ones paying me 500 dollars to draw anything. People who make that much are DEEP in the (specific fetish) community and have connections.

>>6379845
>>6380182
I spent a long time trying to do a Barque plate. I draw so slowly.

Feel like i've hit another wall in my drawing skill. Can't seem to make shit look more 3D but i'd love to hear any pointers.

>>6381881
you cant make it 3d because you don't know anatomy. Maybe consider picking up a art book

>>6381901
this may have come off too brutal. Consider reading michal hamption's figure and design

>>6380763
with form in mind

critiq my birb

Where do I add shadows? And how can I make the hair more dynamic?

>>6381969
You want a harsh critique?

NEW THREAD
>>6382062
>>6382062
>>6382062

>>6382021
I appreciate that you asked first haha. Not necessarily harsh but I do like critique