/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>waited all week to install stable diffusion
>find out it will take half my laptop space to do so
Any alternative image to image generators I can use instead?

>>6367065
Just use paperspace bro. You can run the web ui there

>>6367052
I don't go to sleep so much as I just crash some time in the evening then wake up the next day
I hate having a job

>>6367065
It was only like 5 gigs? What are you installing?

Damn it feels good to not be a social media faggot. Watching everyone freak out and argue about it has kept me too occupied to be a doomer this week.

>>6367052
I'm trying to teach myself to draw in 3D through things like drawabox and other books. Am having not a bad time I think, but perhaps not as good as others. Was writing today and noticed that my letters always have a squiggle aspect to them, if you're familiar with that old cartoon Dr. Katz, like that all the time. Held my hand out and yeah I do tremble, is it a strength or coffee issue maybe? I do exercise like 5x a week. It just makes drawing harder, maybe it's a skill thing.

>>6369349
China is a cringe-worthy country.

Sine “just draw” is a /beg/ trap I’ve been not drawing at all for a week know and I can really feel the art gains building inside me. I’m tempted to have fun with a pencil and show you how much better I am now but I don’t want to stop a good thing.

>>6369667
A decent workout will limit your fine motor coordination for a while during recovery. Either wait a day if that's an option or get comfortable with more "loose" drawing.

>>6369706
'Just draw' should be taken to mean ' When in doubt, just draw it. It clears up questions artist tends to face when you phrase it that way.

>>6369791
Well I’m not drawing and getting better at it every day. Duck you.

With each passing day I see less reason to continue my artistic journey. I always liked collecting art and doodling and stuff, but taking the effort to git gudder to reach out to my inspos seems like something that's increasingly slipping away from me as the pressure keeps piling up.
The idols I wanted to communicate with are already getting bigger and better or moving away from art altogether, and the art I wanted to make just keeps losing its luster in this evershifting and hyperactive environment. And now there's AI shit to boot adding its own damage to these problems.
The thing that kept me going all this time was the thought that I already wasted too much time to just drop it now, but I ought to reconsider that going too far might be as much if not even more of a waste. The pressure is too much and the payback too little.

This board is unbrowsable without filters.

It is a shame I was born with impeccable taste in art as a consumer but my taste in "art" as a creator is absolutely garbage. Perhaps I am much more suited to be a critic. I say this is what one would call an equivalent exchange.

>>6369825
Dunno if it matters much to your situation but I used to think the same and I was convinced by my family (not directly, more like "oh we are all struggling and you're off being an ARTISTE" type crap) and uni colleagues I wasn't putting my time to good use. Half a decade later I decided to stop giving a crap, as I've found less joy in games and work became increasingly hellish, so here I am, grinding out Drawabox stuff, feeling like I am learning something worthwhile for the first time in a long time and I even had a few people commision me (taking my first comm at the eve of my 30th birthday for pennies ffs, but it still felt good), as shit as my art is. Like you said, it's an endless, everchanging grind, but if you enjoy drawing itself, there's no reason to feel like you need it to lead to another goal past art itself.
AI and techheads can go fuck themselves though,

Drawing and my hope of "making it" is basically the one thing keeping me from blowing my brains out. Like there is legit nothing else in my life to look forward to or keep me here

>>6370190
That is really cool coming from someone who died from slave working

People always criticize consoomers and say you should create instead of consoom, but if you create media aren't you just feeding the consoomer monster and perpetuating the vicious cycle of consoomerism?

>>6369670
Those are korean letters, they are rooftop koreans anon.

>>6370930
If you create something for you to use you won't be feeding the monster, live off the grid anon

>>6370190

>>6370939
The only thing art can be used for living off the grid would be sculpture, design, and architecture. Other than that visual art is usually pretty useless for real application in survival or living off grid.

>>6370947
whenever i make shit i feel great in my asshole

AI is best at making the most disgusting images possible I cannot stomach them

>>6370960
At least it is learning, unlike you

>>6370960
>skill issue

>>6370961
>>6370962
>>/x/33345380
you look me in the eyes and tell me this isn’t disgusting

>>6370974
SHIT
>>>/x/33345380
there wi go

>>6370974
Yes, at least my lolis are great

>>6370974
still better than what an eternal prebeg can ever achieve in his shitty existence

>read next part with care
>>6370978
>>6370979
you boys wouldn’t happen to be AI bots would you?
also regarding the thread about I think orange salad with the she said magnus that I though wizards she sought would though however therefore you are gay

>>6370987
We can agree to disagree, anon

>>6367052
How big of an issue is the Twitter situation?
Is it really necessary to find an alternative soon, or is it lefty propaganda?
I have Twitter, Pixiv, Newgrounds, and Instagram for years now. Is this a sufficient amount of alternatives?
What about Itaku? Anyone have experience with that site?
Any other places to consider?

>>6371029
Yes, local galleries. you aren't a dgen, are you?

How do I know if I am a permabeg or not? And I don't mean chris chan permabeg. I seem to be a permabeg when I draw anything from imagination and I can't do colors. Does anyone also feel like they might be permabeg?

>>6370960
holy shit I just realized that girls like drawing
maybe I'll start grinding life drawings after all

>>6371047
just a matter of time, anon. Keep drawing and you will get better

>>6371029
I think even if anyone explained it to you, you're so mentally underdeveloped and politically brained that it wouldn't make sense like trying to explain it to a chimpanzee.

>>6371029
Considering the amount of tweets I've seen complaining about musk's twitter also mention something about him being "transphobic" I'm going to go ahead and say it's lefty seething.

>>6371136
> I don't have an answer so I'm going to attack someone's intelligence for having a different opinion.
Given all the lefties screeching about Mastodon and the woke celebrities/politicians bitching about the Twitter changes, can you really pretend it's not mostly coming from one side?
You might get a few rightards bitching too, but they are vastly eclipsed by the left.
>>6371139
Seems like everything is "transphobic" now. It's the go-to victim card to attack someone without any critical thought.
It doesn't even have to be related to being trans, mentally ill, etc.
You literally just have to call someone a racist or transphobe, and you'll get a bunch of retards latching on like it's a fact.

>>6371029
Twitter is as shit as it always was. It deserves to die, but not because of anything Musk did.

>>6371172
They'll just run those words into the ground until they don't mean anything anymore, the way Christians delegitimized the word satanic. The point is that, as someone who basically doesn't use twitter and doesn't subscribe to its ideology, all the arguments I hear sound like vapid coping.

after getting a lot of updoots on twitter, I dont have anything I want to draw anymore. Before I was practicing to try and "make it", now I made it and don't wanna do anything anymore. I hit my peak and now anything I draw after will do worse.

>>6371318
Relying on external sources of validation as your primary motivation for art? Sounds like an ngmi trait desu

How can you know which way the line goes?

>>6371320
I dont think its possible just by looking. But generally its more comfortable to draw in the direction of action. So when drawing hair, draw from the top of the head down in the direction the hair grows.

Every art server feels dead and lonesome. I just want people to vc with while I draw. Maybe watch movies and stuff with occasionally

>>6367052
>the industry
Alright, let's flavor up this thread with a vitriolic sperg out about the twitter art industry then, because this needs to be said.

I hate how utterly narcissistic and attention-starved twitter artists are, how they always post snarky comments attached to their generic Westoid-anime coom art. How they greedily capitalize on every cringe meme, every soulless fad anime or "best girl" of the month, in order to ride the algorithm like a cynical opportunistic jew. No love, no passion. Just another commercial "artist" pumping out commissions, memes, and pornography like a factory.
Making art that tells a meaningful story, with genuine emotion and soul? Hah, nope. Let's instead draw pinup fan art smut of a children's video game series so that manchildren worship me for my self-taught talent and I can get that sweet dopamine rush, and maybe even make some Patreon shekels along the way.

These "artists" have hundreds of thousands of followers and have therefore gotten high on their successes, but what they do not realize is that their follower counts and updoots do not mean a thing in the long term. Their dime a dozen coom art will inevitably be forgotten after they die, or perhaps even sooner with the advent of AI taking away what little "originality" they have left.
These "artists", they have made nothing of true value. They are the meat toilets of the art world, whose sole purpose in life is to make everyone in this wretched sphere cum. From masochistic basedbeards or femboys with mommy issues, to incels, to trannies.
How does it feel to these artists to have their "art" bukkake'd to the tune of tens of thousands of likes by the most disgusting sort of people on this planet? Well, they clearly get off to the rush of it all as they like/upvote every compliment reply that comes their way.

>>6371343
All the while, these cum dumpsters larp as nonwhite women with they/them pronouns, because the entirety of art twitter is full of the terminally-online and the mentally ill, whose sole purpose in life is validation seeking. That is why they jump aboard every libshit movement and put pronouns and a rainbow and a Ukrainian flag in their bios, and it's why they jump on every seasonal anime and meme bandwagon. Along with pronouns in bio, they also usually put in their young early-20s age front and center for good measure, as a not-so-humble brag.

>>6371262
>Twitter is as shit as it always was.
Couldn't agree more.
I for one welcome the AI apocalypse. I will relish in seeing these pompous women-larping cum dumps crash and burn.

>>6371343
>basedbeards
I forgot s o y was censored here. Oh well, "basedbeard" sounds even more fedora-tippy, so it works.

I hate that no matter what kind of uniform theme or look you go for these days in the arts, there's some desperate clout chasing twitter zoomer ready to adopt it as their own hot new quirky aesthetic because they want to stand out, and then marketing it as some kind of brand for their identity. Man I follow a literal schizoid with 600 followers and his circle of other schizoids and their style, themes, and work is completely unlike anything else I've seen. And now I'm starting to see a bunch of soulless attentionwhores advertising an eerily similar aesthetic and all I can think is how sorry I am for these genuinely unwell medicated schizoids who get no recognition or appreciation despite originating these ideas out of the reality they live and clearly struggle through. I can't imagine having the imagery you constructed from scratch through your life experiences get raped by degenerates and ditzy socialites just to generate quick likes and stroke their egos. Nothing is sacred, there is no honor. Instead of making tributes or mimicking something as a love letter to flatter another thing, all people want is to do is covet. Sickening and soulless.

>>6371356
You're thinking way too hard into it. I assure you for the copycats it was as simple as "hey that looks cool! i want to paint like that!" and they do so

Fuck deviantart

Bros help me. A college acquaintance found out I draw. A week later he's showing our friends my art, but vectorized and missing some parts like the faces. Turns out he traces off of things in vector and sells some of it as a graphic tshirt. How do I tell him to stop? If possible, stop what he's doing entirely, not just for my stuff.

>>6371419
No, I'm not, and you can't assure me shit.

>>6371441
Pajeets do this all the time, find artists to steal from for t-shirts, mugs, prints, etc. If you post online chances are this is happening or will happen. The only difference is this person has the gall to look you in the eyes, know you IRL and still steal your shit. The trick is to put your shit out there and to have a following so it doesn't affect you much. What you don't want it some disgusting piece of shit like this guy being "first" with your work. The legal route MIGHT work but it's a massive investment and you risk creating the reputation of a seething lolcow karen for yourself.

I would probably do something violent to him a few months from now at night though, people like this deserve to have their grimy thief fingers broken.

I’m looking to switch from an IPad over to a tablet and computer. I can see my iPad is starting to give up on me a bit, since it’s sort of outdated, and I’m running out of storage when I barley have anything downloaded. I’m clueless about computers, and nobody online has made videos about art exclusive computer setup ups, that aren’t used for gaming.

>>6371441
Just winging it here assuming that he did this behind your back and that he is a narcissist:

Contact the other people he is tracing off from anonymously with proof. If he talk about it to you then that's when you pretend to realize what he is doing and tell him to stop. He is probably not going to stop unless he feels things are piling up against him. If he asks you if he can be clear about saying no.

The reason you want to involve the other artists in this is because you are otherwise going to be a prime target for him to blame. Let him learn first that your view is the common view.

I really like breakcore and the art inspired by it but I'm starting to break into "the scene" and everyone I've talked to that draws like this acts mentally ill and overly dramatic as fuck. Like infighting about stupid shit like "copying an artstyle" and threatening suicide because you work at fucking Pizza Hut. It's kind of another case of why you shouldn't ever meet your heroes.

>>6371529
>NOOO only I can copy yoshitoshi abe! find your own artstyle to steal!

>>6371539
Jesus Christ you're right I didn't even think of that. They really are just all lesser copies of Yoshitoshi

>>6371459
>too much gaming
I think mainly what you'd need to do on that is get a cheaper graphics card than those on the videos and less RAM (anything over 16 GiB is overkill). The rest is specific to needs.

I drew something that turned out pretty well but I know it will have 0 mainstream appeal (female FUB hairy armpits muscle gilf futa)

Oh well

>>6371343
I can't say I agree with you, but then again you absolutely aren't wrong. Many of these artists just blank out if I mention Moebius or Alex Raymond or even someone like Mike Mignola or JoeMad that featured in popular videogames/movies. They just want to draw porn, usually anime styled. While I can respect that hustle, having like, zero love for comics outside of the manga sphere always confuses me if you're getting into that kind of illustration.

>>6371577
I don't blame young artists ignoring western comics, the absolute state over the last decade(or 2?)...

>>6371459
That's because those gaming computers are really just general purpose machines. 'Gaming' is more of a marketing label that anything else. You don't need TOO much muscle for doing art, but I wouldn't suggest flat out skimping on it either. The budget gaming builds you see on YT should be enough to out muscle an iPad many times over. Personally I have a far lesser machine than what it popular, but it's been more than enough to not only draw, but to record my desktop while doing so.

>>6369349
You will never be recognized and your art will not be known. How does it feel?

>>6371884
Feels fine. My art is for my own fulfillment. I would still draw if I was the last man on earth.

>>6369892
I have 60-90 threads hidden at all times.
This board is pretty much unusable outside of a few generals and the occasional funny thread.

>>6370947
Mr. Rogers ruined an entire generation of millennials.

>>6371340
which servers did you try

I haven't sat down and appreciated single images for a long time, aside from some nice bits of anime fanart that hit me right in my interests, so I am browsing around classic public domain art sites to expand my taste. Pic related really caught my eye.

I often get told stuff like this should come naturally, and trying to force it is a product of over thinking, but I don't think that's true at all.

>>6371884
I go out of my way to avoid being known or recognized so, pretty good.

>>6371884
I'm not as cool as other Anons, so I get sad when I can't start a dialog with my work. But even so, having the work for myself is still nice.

After copying my favorite artists for 2 years I saw massive improvement but now I've realized I created a habit of referencing their style all the time, to the point where I don't know what my own voice is anymore. Each drawing looks different depending on who I'm trying to imitate that day
I just want my art to be consistent

>>6371459
Just use the gaming setup since you want the best visual performance from the program you are using.

The reason older computers start getting slow is because they are filled with software that slow them down.
>and I’m running out of storage when I barley have anything downloaded.
Yep, you definitely need to clean up that thing. I bet it is full of programs running in the background that you don't need or use.

>10+ years drawing
>art from reference is mid int
>art from imagination is permabeg
it's over

What level of /beg/ do you need to be able to post in the beg thread? I noticed some low begs get upset with high begs post in the beg thread but what if you're too beg for other generals? How do you judge your begness?

>>6372063
Just post. Ignore permabegs.
Begs have a hard time judging their own level, try the rating thread.

>>6371909
Violet Clovers, Drawpari Park, some random server that someone I follow linked on Twitter

>get art job but project put on hiatus
>get wage slave job in the meantime
>suppose to be full time employee
>suddenly only 2 days of work
>last week no hours
>this week not put on schedule again.

should I just file for unemployment. I jobwise didn't do anything wrong but I think the she wolf boss doesn't like me because I should too much back bone about not wanting to be called into work at 3am. At least I have been drawing more.

>>6367052
>wants to oil paint but hate the set up
If it wasn't so annoying to deal with and I can just jump right into it then I'd be painting every day. I took an oil class once and it was fun to use a brush but goddamn is the clean up ass.

I haven't played any vidya in 2 days because I've just been drawing. Inshallah this shall continue

>>6371956
>>6371848
>>6371554
Thanks for the knowledge, anons. I think I have a better idea on what I’m looking for now. I’m not tech savvy, so this is all foreign to me, but I think with proper research I’ll find what I’m looking for

>>6372205
The price of traditional art, not as easy to set down a tablet and call it a night. If you keep a routine of cleaning your supplies, and keeping your workstation organized, it shouldn’t seem as daunting.

I feel like digital art kills my ability to be creative. When I draw trad I have no issue generating ideas but when I try to doodle digitally my mind just goes blank.

There should be a place for artists like me, who suffers from impaired neuroplasticity, aphantasia, Alzheimer’s, and IBS to discuss the challenges of drawing while being affected by these maladies.

>>6373274
>impaired neuroplasticity
eat blueberries
>aphantasia
not real
>Alzheimer’s
hypochondriac retard
>IBS
same as above, otherwise keto

>>6373274
Just exercise bro. And for IBS, go to a dietitian or follow a food guide.

>want to draw
>but only want to draw the stuff I want to draw
>but I'm terrible at drawing
>so I won't ideas on terrible execution
>not interested in grinding
>so not drawing
help

>>6373385
Find work others drew, that you wish you drew.
Copy it as best you can. Overlay the images, Analyze your mistakes, think of it as rewiring your faulty neurons, remove your ego from the equation.
Then try again.

>>6373403
Sounds good, thanks.

Will paypal fine and jail me if i buy nude model reference packs from gumroad?

>>6367052
making art makes me feel so fucking happy
there's nothing else in the world that brings me as much joy. there's a lot of uncertainty in life but as long as i can still make something, i think i'll be fine

>>6373428
Same.
Thanks for posting a cousin, Katamari Damacy always make me happy.

Anyone else feel like they're "over" video games? They're just not engaging to me any more.

Even series I used to be completely obsessed with like SMT and MH, I've lost all interest in playing them.
Like, I still like the art, the designs, the worlds/setting and want to make fanart based on them, but not play them

>>6370194
He enjoyed art so much he neglected his physical health to triple his gains

>>6373500
I haven't been interested in video games since high school. I quickly get bored and do something else.

I really just stared at my empty desktop for 3 hours instead of drawing. Why is it so hard to start? Like I don't want to exert precious energy drawing turds.

>>6373634
Try picking other motives than fecal matter.

Maybe listen to music or draw something from a movie or book.

>>6373642
thats not a reason to draw

>>6373650
Then don't draw.

>>6371529
>I really like breakcore
NERD
> I've talked to that draws like this acts mentally ill and overly dramatic as fuck. Like infighting about stupid shit like "copying an artstyle"
> threatening suicide because you work at fucking Pizza Hut
this is why we bully NERDs anon, they deserve it; they did it to themselves

I browsed my older stuff. Sure I got better technically, but there's just something about it that has more soul compared to what I put out nowadays. Prior to this, I noticed I've gotten unhappy about drawing and art entirely. Usually I'd feel achieved after finishing a piece, now I feel nothing. A brief "Oh nice" at most. Sometimes I'd feel that I'm not improving at all or can't execute an idea. I still admire other artists, but yeah. I've always thought calling myself an artist is pretentious. I might need a break... but I'm worried the skill would fade or something.

>>6371343
The only good artists to follow nowadays are unironically the chinese, and a few jp, specifically mangakas. The language barrier definitely plays a role but even then, you'll barely see captions. If twitter artist talks too much, just stay away.

On an unrelated note, no matter how many times I tune up my feed to show ONLY art from people I follow, this piece of shit social media will still show me garbage takes and unfunny memes.

>>6373826
I kind of feel what you said at the end. I don't think I could ever consider myself to be an artist and I am perpetually stuck in the mindset of the kid that liked to draw who would look up to and admire better artists, like they exist in an entirely different and alien world from me.

Anyone else have trouble with colors? i heard some people are more predisposed to color theory and I know the semantics but I can't do colors from imagination. I think I am a permabeg. My colors are fine when I draw from reference because the only thing I'm good at and have been commended for is my high accuracy in my observation skills and mastercopies.

>>6373975
Try coloring an image from imagination and then compare with the real thing. That's how you learn what mistakes you are making.

>>6374001
But that would mean I have to find a reference that matches the image I have for imagination in the same light setting, is that even possible to find one exactly? I know it's possible to do that with 3D modelling. For example I would have to find a table in the same exact position, have the same features, and have the same direction of light or color (supposedly, where it should be coming from as my trouble is not setting up the light source but understanding how it affects color, the effect of the light source itself). I can color the local color I just can't color the way light affects the object and I can't imagine how it should. I know the different effects but I can't imagine which one is proper for the situation. I think I'm just color permabeg I know there's people who are actually like this and I've been drawing for more than 10 years. Maybe I should only paint still lives and for imagination do only black and white.

>>6373975
Color and light and color theory are two different things.

>>6374040
Don't they intersect sometimes though? For example when I'm drawing from imagination I can't imagine how the color from the night sky affects the color inside the interior space which a lantern inside would contrast or affect the objects inside and shadow.

>>6374032
What? No...

You find an image you like. Draw the line work. Then close the image and start coloring. Then every time you are stuck you compare.

I'm kind of surprised you haven't tried this yet.

>I think I'm just color permabeg I know there's people who are actually like this and I've been drawing for more than 10 years.
To me it sounds like you are just making up excuses to not do the hard work. There is no human who doesn't improve from practice.

>>6374044
Not him but they are closely interconnected. If you change the hue the value also change. In black and white photos blue will be darker than yellow. Color theory is about dividing colors into warm and cool colors.

If you think about it scientifically then anything you can see shines the color you see upon your eyes. That means that anything in a room reflects that color upon its surroundings. That is why you need to figure out what the dominant color is from the strongest light source. You can never just copy a color straight from on image into another in a different color environment.

If you paint in mono chromatic you can see the complimentary color if you place grey next to the main color. That's how brains work.

Typically when the value changes so does the hue and saturation/intensity.

I wasted my day off on fucking /soc/ looking for artist friends to add, and it was pretty much a total waste. Maybe there's a reason they're desperate enough to search on there, and maybe there's a reason I'M desperate enough to go on there. I was an actually interesting person worth making friends with I'd already have friends, wouldn't I? I know someone will say online friendships aren't real, but honestly talking to people irl makes me feel even lonlier than physically being alone. I don't like it. Maybe I need to dive deeper into drawing, and eventually people will naturally take interest in me
>>6373500
I feel this. I have to force myself to play games a lot now, and even then a lot of the time I'll just drop them after like an hour at most. I'd say it's because the industry is so shitty now, but even "classic" games I know will be good don't even interest me now. I think my brain is fried or something because all I can really bother with is music and manga, which can both be accessed with minimum effort at my own pace

I keep putting aside an hour or so to draw something, anything. But then the chance comes and if i take it, I realize I get maybe two draws done in my sketchbook in that hour and it's not enough. I have to tear myself away from the paper by force even though I don't want to. And since my brain knows that I'll have to stop prematurely, I now can't get myself to start at all.

>sprang for a screen tablet
>still fucking feels weird
I'm not sure how to get more comfortable with it other than just using it more, or if I shelf it for pen and paper since I'm just doing fundamentals like perspective or push through and get used to digital

>>6374188
There really isnt another way. U just gotta push through. Took me a year to adjust

why do we have to grow up. I'm looking at pictures of me and my sister when we were children and I just wonder what went so wrong

I've been seeing my work being used to annoy people on another board. It's an odd feeling to see it play out. I'd rather not have my images used to troll, but I'm also aware there isn't much I can do about it bug stop posting stuff, which I don't want to do.

last week was a mess
>found the best reason to continue doing what i love and keep making art, might start trying animation too
>had a mental breakdown on game night because conversation topics kept bringing up bad memories every week and i snapped

>>6373500
I don't have the urge to play them anymore but I intentionally schedule time to play because I need the escapism from time to time. It don't have a whole lot of fun but it gives my brain space to decompress for an hour or so. And I've went from playing sweaty tryhard competitive shooters to games like slime rancher or stardew valley where I can just tend to my crops and animals peacefully and not think about deadlines or break a sweat trying to win.

>>6374101
I'm not saying I haven't improved, I have but I'm still a beg hence why I am a "real permabeg". I thought maybe simply just already having the reference would be cheating because technically then my imagination drawing wouldn't be from imagination because I've already seen a reference so I have a memory of the light source and how it should look already. I can still try it but then I'm not really drawing from imagination. I have improved but for some reason I can't integrate the information properly in my imagination, I'm only a photocopy machine and it's pretty much what everyone praises me for. I understand the theory between temperature and how values change depending on hues, but I can't put it into practice. I understand all you said but I just can't actually do it.

>>6373500
I stop playing them years ago as well, too much of a time-sink, way too expensive for what you get, and every series that i liked in the past all feel like their best days are too far back in the rearview mirror.

>>6374563
If you already understand color and you want to learn how to draw from imagination then you now have to do exactly that, draw from imagination.

People learn through trial and error so you just have to keep failing until you don't.

>>6374719
Except I draw from imagination everyday. I don’t mean to brag but I’ve been formally trained since I was a kid and was exposed to art museums at a young age, I have been drawing my entire life from both imagination and from life. I drew so much that I was spanked for it and all my teachers had to confiscate my pencils because I drew too much. I most likely draw more than 99% of the anons here. I am the literal definition of just draw. I do not mean to complain as I am privileged to have these experiences in life and am grateful for it but I’m just giving a reality check that talent is real and only talented people want to deny that talent is real. You can have all the training you want but in the end talent is what matters. It took Picasso a decade to learn how to draw like the masters, it took me a decade to learn how to polish turds. I will still continue to draw and paint anyway because I love to but I know I will never learn how to actually imagine color and light because my brain is not wired that way. I just needed to let it be known talent is real and see if others are like me. People need to stop denying talent is real and you can’t “just draw”. And don’t get me wrong, I will still try to improve and yes I do try to think when I draw and I talk to myself when I draw. WCT is pretty much a vent thread anyway not a place to get real help so I say this to spread the truth that to actually be good you need IQ or talent.

>>6374759
How many color studies have you done?(from photo or head) or plein air paintings? did you do work from your head the same session after the studies?
I am on the fence about talent, leaning towards it not existing. I am certain if you are on the right path(by accident or through instruction), you can get good. I've seen permabegs get mentorship and snap out of the funk and get good. Maybe the talent is in self learning.

>>6374269
It probably helps that I barely have trad experience but paper still feels easier idk I just have to force myself to use it

>>6372063
This problem was solved when /beg/ and /int/ were merged.
Although it created another problems of ints having to post their work alongside begs and potentially getting shitty advice from them.

There's a dude who went to my high school who was pretty popular for being a very talented artist/animator.
He became kind of a eceleb as well. I'm usually very happy seeing artists gain the recognition they deserve. I really don't want to be petty over other people's success. But whenever I occasionally stumble upon his stuff and see him collaborating with youtube creators i used to admire a lot online it's kind of hard not to get reminded of my own failures and get depressed.
Still, I'll do my best and continue to make art.

>>6374365
If you're having mental breakdowns there's obviously a huge pressure point on your psyche coming from somewhere in your life. Most likely not even related to art.
Identifying that point should be your only priority, even if it requires a few visits to the shrink.

Back in elementary I had a classmate whom I share the "good at drawing" status with. He was more interested with realism and I was more into anime/cartoony stuff. I gradually fade into the background along highschool as he went on draw framed charcoal drawings and gifiting it to high profile people. He earns awards from national-level drawing competitions that sometimes get aired on TV. I feel like shit whenever I'm reminded of this person, where would I be now if I just did the same things he did? I really branched out from that path huh.

Me, I'm just yet another nothing-burger artist with depression. I had a good thing going, but I just HAD to sabotage myself to oblivion. I hope I spring back up soon.

>>6375186
Been to multiple shrinks, their typical go-to for my problem makes it worse and the alternative they suggest keeps failing for reasons outside of our control. Don't know if they're bad or if I'm un-salvageable but my last breakdown was in February so it's not a common occurrence and I'm not trying to push the game night people away, I just can't function in the type of circle they're running but speaking to any of them 1-on-1 is fine.
Seeing a new shrink in March anyway.

I fucking hate 4chan now but I keep coming back here. I wish I had an actual friend group to ward off the loneliness

>>6375326
bwhahaha get buttkissed neeeeerd

>>6375312
Yeah most of them are terrible. You just have to try out many of them until you get a competent one. Good luck anon.

>>6375258
That guy became famous because he had connection, not because of skill or perseverance. You most likely would not have gone as far as him even if went down the same path, if it's any consolation.

>>6375375
Perseverance did it for him. We were kids, the same opportunities were laid out in front of us. Hell, I was more charismatic even. I really regret it all.

>>6375258
Another person with potential claimed by anime niggardry. Nothing is stopping you from learning art normally though. I dunno why anime artists think that they don't need fundies and realism because muh style. Krenz is an imaginationmaxxed anime artist but pic rel is his level of reference drawing. Having good fundies and drawing anime aren't mutually exclusive but most weebs think they'll get by on floating anime heads and memorizing vague anatomical shapes.

>>6375437
I'm not one of your overgeneralized claim fortunately, though it's true anime played a big role in my sad sentiment. I could've drawn a realistic lion and took the time to frame it, but I was looking at studio trigger. One or the other I guess.

>get job that makes it so I never have much time to fully commit to a piece
>relearn to love the early stages of drawing and spend some hours sketching various figures from imagination
>messy but I think it has appeal
>want people to see so I can get some validation that I'm not shit
>they're just sketches so there's no good place to post
I know the thing to do is to just keep drawing and drawing for myself. To reach a skill level where its obvious I'm not bad. But I can't lie, I'm a needy bitch who needs validation every step of the way.

>>6375571
I'd personally start compiling multiple sketches in to a single image. That usually gets at least a few people to notice, since it's easier to comment on/critique a body of work than a single piece.

>>6373500
I had a waning interest in video games a while before I ever committed myself to drawing but nowadays I don't play unless it's with friends. I spent more than enough time playing games as a teen and that's time I wish I had been weightlifting or drawing or doing anything else really.

My faggot coward ex woke me up

does adderall help with drawing? And what works similarly but without having to go to a doctor and buy it?

I hope the fucking water burns in hell!

after learning just how much "drawing" my favorite artists do, I've been depressed. Its 90% tracing and photobashing and copying full references exactly. Like a photo of someone holding a book is used as a reference and the final piece looks exactly the same, like it was a photo taken in the anime dimension of the same person. I just thought construction and stuff like that was used more, but they are just drawing over the reference, they're not "building" any bodies or anything.

>>6373500
It comes in cycles for me. Id be a lot further along in art if it weren't for video games but I really do love playing. Also there isn't really anything worth playing right now.

>>6376091
But their knowledge of construction informs the “tracing,” which makes it more thoughtful and that comes through in the work to make it more soulful.

>>6376093
do you honestly believe this?

>>6376091
Sucks you had to find out like that... When Marko Djurdjevic was young, he thought all his favorite artists did everything out of their heads, it didn't occur to him they might use reference, so he studied anatomy really hard(Hogarth) and drawing from his head for countless hours to try catch up with his heroes(who were all using ref) and ended up top tier at drawing from his head.

>>6367052
i spit in my workplace's water cooler

>>6376094
Yeah?

>>6376010
Literally methamphetamine. It can help you do art I guess. If you have procrastination issues though you'll just end up with a half finished detailed drawing and a REALLY clean house.

>>6376139
Once my house is clean though! there will be plenty of time to.. to..to look up the best ways to learn to draw.

>>6376010
It makes you a massive Dunning Kruger basically. You will produce work at your own level more or less but you will feel a lot better about it because stims feel good. Maybe a larger volume than usual if you don't end up jacking off all day.

>>6376109
What a beautiful cat image...
I'm going to steal it

Just found out a close family friend, had a nervous breakdown and is now living at home, jobless, degree-less, and boy-friend-less. They were extremely successful, had a 6 figure engineering job, and lived in Cali, and ngl it made me tingle with happiness that such a successful person failed.

Why am I so evil, bros? I hate these thoughts. I had to force myself to not smile when I heard the news. Obviously I am not in a great place in life myself, but I don't hold it against anyone. it's nobody's fault but my own, yet jealously is such an involuntary kneejerk emotion.

>>6376199
You can't get your kicks any other way

>>6376199
How did he land a 6 figure engineering job without a degree?

>>6376212
he got an internship, then got a full-time job, then quit school early

>>6376204
i quite enjoy jerking off to my reflection

this fucking song got me fucked up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RgMPxHghA

>>6370171
Same, except I'll keep on living I refuse to kill myself

am I weird for simply not wanting to draw nsfw?
barbie nudity, or even actual nudity is ok for me to draw. but once it gets sexual (erection, sexual acts, closeup on genitals, etc), I just can't.
I don't know why exactly, I just lose all interest.
in fact, posting on sites where nsfw is allowed feels like I'm walking in the street screaming "I AM GOING TO BUY A BBC DILDO". I just have a mental block with anything nsfw.

anybody else feel like that?

>>6376477
I think because I can visualize it so clearly I don't need to draw it for myself. It was mostly in my early days I drew NSFW as fap material.

I once posted some light NSFW and got people contacting me about my commission prices but I really didn't want to do commissions, especially nsfw. The privilege of not needing to draw for a living I guess.

I have no art friends rn and it makes me kind of sad. I had one guy I used to be art friends with but he deleted everything (again) so I'm kinda alone for now. Sad face :(

>>6376199
congratz on ur adulthood. They are why organized religion is a thing

>>6376199
Misery loves company.

>>6376639
I'll be your art fren, tell me your twitter.

anyone else just get worse whenever they try to practice?

>>6376684
post a before/after a few years apart

>>6373500
I feel this. A while back I had the thought of not wanting to engage in a hobby if it didn't produce something in the process, and so now I only really play when my friends and I need something to do over an internet call.

>>6376690
no

>>6376639
Wanna art trade or something? I can give you my twitter or discord. I want some art friends too :'^)

So drawabox is really only to learn mark making and confidence? How do I really know if I'm "progressing?" They always say "don't worry about looking good, just shoot for confidence."

>Start drawing [character]
>People like
>People start talking about training an AI to make more art of [character]
>A decent chunk of [character]'s art is by me.
Should I stop on principle? It's not like I'm selling that stuff or anything, but it feels kind of weird to have it happen in a small internet community.

>>6376742
Do you apply the skill you learned to other pieces? Or do you study in a vacuum?

>>6376477
No sir I'm a coomer so I have the exact opposite problem. Hard to draw anything non-sexual

>>6376754
Quite frankly I study in a vacuum at this point. I'm under the impression I need fundamentals before I'm at an acceptable level to where I can draw as I please. I see later in the course there's "real" drawing but yeah no right now it's all in "get used to seeing a certain way/marking a certain way." Is there supplemental study by way of just drawing to draw? Because I mean I suck, on par with like a 10 year old. I guess there's enjoyment but no real progress to be made, unless I want to apply the ellipses and boxes stuff to more ellipses and boxes right?

>>6376760
>I'm under the impression I need fundamentals before I'm at an acceptable level to where I can draw as I please
If you're stuck, break this rule. Apply what you learn to something you like, while still studying. Don't worry about how bad you are for the time being, just try to find ways to apply your skills. Drawing is problem solving. Critical thinking is necessary.

when do you start liking your art? I have that thing women have where they see themselves as obese in the mirror.

>>6376789
Anorexia.

2000's anime memes
>funny dance to pop music
>spinning a leek
>rolling down a hill
Current anime memes
>onii-chan incest
>anime girl moan
>jojo
I know I can't go back to that world, but I miss it so much. I miss the soul, the purity, all the art it inspired me to draw. It was just plain fun, and having to be sneaky about the lewd was fun too.

>>6376734
Not that anon, but I'm starved for artfriend too, since I hide the fact I draw from my parents and friends irl. Either twitter or discord is cool if you're fine with an animefag

>>6376728
Well don't if you are too scared

>>6374339
What are you like now?

>>6376818
Cool! Here's my twitter and some quick thing for reference

>>6376861
thanks friend, just gave you a follow. We are all gmi

>friendless drawfag is also /beg/
really makes you think

>>6376863
Nice c: I can DM you later or something

>>6376867
yeah, I'm bad at initiating conversations anyway

>>6376812
Yeah, it wasn't nearly as outright malicious or dirty overall.
>mfw project chanology was 600 years ago

>>6376812
seriously what the fuck happened

>>6376812
honestly the worst ones are when they just take an existing meme and slap anime on it haphazardly where the only joke added is LOL ANIME REFERENCE

>>6376916
Porn addiction and the otaku market have been a disaster for the anime genre

>>6376639
>he deleted everything
it's just weird i know exactly two people who did this for no apparent reason

>>6377173
A lot of these people tend to have huge self-esteem issues or are worried that they pissed off the wrong person or something, based on my personal experience.

>>6376812
You don't sound up to date with current anime or the memes associated with it...
Just skip the mass produced isekai slop and anything associated with vtubers, look for the less normalfag magnet-y shows. Shit like Bocchi the Rock or Mob Psycho 100, airing this very season. It's all still there, but unlike old anime, time hasn't filtered all the garbage.

>>6376812
I'm anything but a puritan since I draw weird men, but I find it alarming how sexualized and porn obsessed people are becoming. People think being a porn addict is an actual personality or something and will base their interests and identity way too much on it.
Wearing a t-shirt with anime porn on it would've been social suicide a decade ago

>>6377174
>worried that they pissed off the wrong person or something
Could you elaborate?

>>6377203
"wrong person" was probably exaggerating a bit, but I've seen people leave communities just because they might've annoyed a few people even if it wasn't really a big deal, same people eventually just disappear off the map.

>>6377174
>>6377209
Stop talking about me

>>6377174
>>6377209
and me .....baka.....

>>6377190
It's not the anime, I still watch some modern shows that are pretty good. My issue is the community around anime used to be simpler and more innocent. The appeal of modern anime memes gets more and more narrow and uncreative. Last soulful meme I saw was exclusively from japan, where millions of nips were sharing videos of that one Halloween pumpkinhead dance news segment in relation to Gundam Hathaway. Pure soul, but none of it reaches us in the west.
>>6377194
You should find it alarming, it's one result of decadence in a society at its last stages of stability and there are no brakes on this train. I don't know how you come back from this kind of thing, it's a genuine addiction and it fucks you up six ways to Sunday. And it's only one of many mental problems we keep enabling. Genuinely insane.

Holy fuck does drawing become a slog. It was never really easy for me, but a month of dealing with a death in the family and now this month of devoting a bunch of time to nanowrimo has absolutely knocked me off my practice habit. I always found that trying to do courses and stuff is miserable and drains my enjoyment, and I also feel like I struggle with applying anything I've learned when I'm drawing for fun. It feels like I should commit to treating it academically or commit to doing as much of my own stuff as I can until I naturally feel like dipping into the other.

>>6377194
Coomer became a lifestyle when it should've just stayed a joke.

>>6376812
The weirdest thing these days is that lots of people (I see streamers do it the most) joke about hentai memes and stuff but actually can't get off to hentai.

>>6377253
>but actually can't get off to hentai.
do you really believe it

>>6377255
Yes. Lots of them are basically normies keeping up with the times.

>>6377203
Nta but I've seen a few fledgling artists gain the attention of someone who is terminally online (usually on Twitter) and prone to hyper fixation. The hyper-fixator typically becomes obsessed with "guiding" and critiquing the artist so as to maybe push them towards a style or ruleset they find appealing, possibly in pursuit of commissions or a personal artist friend, and then pushback or resistance is met with vitriol. The hyper-fixator assumes (it seems like) they are being discriminated against by the artist who just wants to be left alone at this point and continue drawing and learning, and a stalking campaign begins. I've seen some pairings like this where the hyper-fixator and maybe a friend or two will fill up comments or supposedly DMs (which I haven't seen but rather had someone tell me "they would constantly message me if they saw me online") as well, if they share groups then the group will hear about the "bigoted" artist until it's just enough pressure for the artist to be like "fuck it," and ghost. To date this exact thing I've watched play out with 3 distinct sets of "online characters" across discords and Twitter. So yeah I mean be careful who you let close to you and whatnot. Unless you don't care and have no problem telling someone on main to fuck off and risk agitating a wider group, but then again yeah if you don't care go for it.

I've attempted to do nsfw multiple times but every time I made an account I usually deleted it in a month with maybe one picture at best posted. Figured it just wasn't for me until I found a character that made my dick explode so hard that I decided to try again with only a focus on that character and their franchise. Made a pixiv account instead of twitter this time and it was actually pretty successful for the few months I was working on it with a lot of people wanting to request/comm me (didn't take any since it was a personal project) but I eventually lost interest in the franchise itself and stopped, then deleted it. All that considered, it actually helped my self-esteem and motivated me a lot to continue doing my sfw art and I haven't done any nsfw since.

Getting slightly worried some degenerate will connect my current artstyle with that stuff though. Shockingly I haven't found any of that work in any of the major boorus but I do see it in the odd place here and there.

>>6377346
you need meds. you are not that important

>>6377359
i've had two stalkers before can you blame me

>>6377174
>>6377209
>>6377271
Holy fucking shit anons, stop talking about me!
God I can't believe this was more common than I thought

>>6377258
Hentai is a very popular genre, that's not as true as you'd think. Hell, I even caught my mom's 65? year old boyfriend watching hentai from the family desktop's internet history.
>>6377249
Pornography in general is too accepted and consumed way too much. A lot of young boys/men settle with pornography or camgirls instead of actually connecting with real people and establishing relationships. Or young girls/women being groomed to think being a sex worker or opening an OnlyFans is a fine alternative and there's nothing wrong with whoring yourself to skeevy 55-year-old men

>>6377416
>instead of actually connecting with real people and establishing relationships.
Banning porn won't solve it. The problem is with internet in general, without it, you would have to go outside for various stuff, like books from library.

I'm finally convinced that construction is a 2000 year old joke

>>6377687
why?

>>6377416
>>6377502
Avenue Q was singing "the Internet is for porn" on broadway back in 2003. People coexisted with free accessible porno for decades but it's only now that we're seeing it become basically an entire lifestyle for people. There's some deeper fuckery going on and it goes way too deep to solve unless some ruthless dictator used military might to institute a bunch of draconian laws. Either that or we wait for people to stop being functional at all so we slowly descend into third world economic status and people become too busy milking cows by hand to fap to hentai anymore.

Underpaid and burnt out at my graphic design job. Maybe 5 out of 100 products I make are actually fun and everything else is ripping off shitty aesthetics for mass produced garbage. I thought i was okay just having art as a hobby but I dont make enough money to feel like I'm spending my time wisely.
I dont know what to do, if I should take a leap, grind it out and try to get something that's more interesting and pays better - concept art or tattooer ? Or just follow a completely different career path like programming to make actual money?
Seeing all these trust fund babies with massive studios in LA and New York painting all day makes me sick

>>6376916
coomers

>>6377902
Find a basic job that gives you enough free time either on or off it to draw. Check at your own pace if there's a marked for the things you enjoy drawing.

Got myself to draw today and it felt great even if I had to cram it in

>>6377174
I've been dealing with a similar situation for months, so I can relate. One of the sick fucks responsible admitted it in a DM when one of my friend's confronted him. The good news is that word has travelled, and both he and his bestie have been exposed as being serial harassers and banned across several Discord servers. Even ones I'm not part of. The bad news is that both of them have been doubling down wherever they can get the opportunity since. I am at a loss of what else to do, if anything at all.

>>6378645
gmi. Didn't draw at all today and my anxiety wouldn't let me sleep. Had to stay up and grind something out so I wouldn't hate myself so much.

>>6378645
>>6378768
Most difficult part is to get started for me, always. I don't know why I'm facing so much resistance even though my drawings turn out pretty satisfying, unlike when I was real shit and I knew everything I'd make would be bad. Old habits die hard, I guess.

>>6378789
As artists, it's important to build some rituals. Think automatic but decisive patterns of behavior as the start if of the creative process. Start doing this when you are most vulnerable of chickening out, because over time you build resistance.

>>6378808
Thanks bro. You're right, it's all about creating good habits.

>>6377174
this is more accurate than you think…

>befriend art friend from way back in 2000; amazing artist, some of her stuff is still circulated today
>she deletes everything and disappears multiple times
>turns out she had massive self esteem issues especially about her art, the attention she gets, and just in general herself as a person
>meets an online girlfriend who turned out to be psychopath that tries to ruin her life at every turn
>i only find this out when she files a lawsuit against psychopath and tries to warn me about her
>mfw i had met psychopath a couple years ago without knowing she had any relation to the amazing artist friend
>psychopath had already planted some shit in my emails to check if i’m reading them and sent me hand drawn gay porn while pretending to be autistic

psychopath got a slap on the wrist and just has a restraining order… my friend disappeared again and i post my work under a different alias while minimizing socializing from internet people

>>6378749
hit them with the
>improve yourself
tech

>>6377174
Thats the thing, yeah. I should avoid people who drop everything so easily because it actually hurt a little this time.

>>6379025
>it actually hurt a little less this time
Anon, what are you on about?

>>6377174
god, I need therapy

>>6379205
I didnt say "less". but he's erased his entire art page and discord before. Usually its fine because its the internet, but idk this time it just struck something. Probably because I made art and he gave no heads up. Just straight up disappeared, the jerk.

>>6369825
You're too focused on reason. Art is fun, you don't have to stop it from being simply that through overloading yourself with comparison and mental constructs. You can do it.

>>6379256
>Probably because I made art and he gave no heads up
Context is key here. Explain.

>>6377174
I delete and rebrand regularly, dumping thousands of followers, but it doesn't have anything to do with self esteem. I get annoyed by the way certain fanbases behave so I move shop and don't want their retardation following me. Or more often I outgrow something and don't want to inundate the people following me with some completely different genre of media. I've gone from anime to boomer shooter to kids cartoon series in the span of a few years for example, they take over my life and change my art. I don't form attachments online so if vanishing hurts someone's feelings that's tough tits I guess. Not really my problem, I never cozy up beyond the occasional art request. I just want to indulge in my obsessions in peace and share art if anyone feels like looking at it.

>>6378957
Kind of interested. Tell me more about this "tech"...

My unhinged retard adult brother smacked me in the head over a petty argument. What the fuck do I do? I can't move out... (and neither can he)

I stopped by Twitter for a moment and saw #RIPTwitter trending.
Is it happening?

>>6379990
Elon's retarded ultimatum for employees reduced them from 3000 to 240 employees left at twitter. All the people who are now "fired" still have systems access because nobody who can stop them is actually around, so twitter offices are currently closed to "prevent sabotage"
those last few details don't really matter though, ship's sinking and there's nothing that can be done for Elon to recover from all the debt

>>6379990
75% of employees chose 3 months severance pay over staying at twitter to do crunch until it is profitable. I think it's over...

I think I have an /ic/ crush.....

>>6380204
Put a love letter in her locker

Wish I had it in me to get fit but I can't get myself to care enough about it

I get <5hrs to myself after work so I just end up hyper-focused trying to finish some art in that time frame.
It's a decent excuse, but even when I was a NEET (2 years ago) I still couldn't get myself into fitness.

>>6380206
No I am happy just having little daydreams and seeing them post on /ic/

>>6380211
>>6380206
him or her, idk the gender honestly. He could be a fat old man for all I know.

>>6380209
You would have more energy and drive for mental stuff if your body was fit.

>>6380214
what do they draw like?

>>6380225
More on the amateur side and seems to be a male. It makes me giddy thinking about being friends or something, I smile when I see him/her post is all. I don't think it's that weird, it's a very innocent crush and I don't even think it's love or romantic, I've never dated anyone before so it's most likely no more than an innocent curiosity or liking like that of a child's and I feel a strong sense of affection.

Thank you janitor-kun for deleting my one twitter thread while every single AI spam is still up.

>>6379990
Looks like it but it's going to be a slow death.

>>6380209
Walking or lifting weights for 30 minutes a day will get your drawing juices flowing easier I promise you.

>>6380380
I was enjoying that thread...
I think medium speed death. 6 months or so. Musk might actually do something else to quicken it.

Twitter was great because I could do basically everything I wanted on it between keeping up to date on news, following JP artists, posting my own art, actually making some friends, and now the people who have only seen the worst parts of twitter are saying it was never good and it annoys me to no end.

Just joined tweeter after seeing all the complaints

>>6380554
Based, I'm gonna brush off the dust from my old account. Seeing twitter seethe has been the most entertainment I've had in months. If the fags are leaving then it's prime time to join.

>>6380554
>>6380567
Wait for world cup this weekend

>>6380581
Elaborate

>TWITTER IS DYING! FOLLOW ME ON DISCORD/NEWGROUNDS/ETC

no.

what is happening to twitter? why is every artist doomposting?

>>6380584
Extreme high site traffic manned by 15% of original staff. We'll see if anything happens

>>6380586
https://twitter.com/OriTomorrow/status/1593489765910728705

>>6380586
fags complaining, give them a week, they will be back.

>>6380587
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? This shit is entertaining as fuck. Also I haven't heard a single person who isn't a leftoid complain about any of this. Judging the historical way they embellish everything I can very much believe this shit isn't even half as bad as fags doompost about.

did everyone forget that elon musk needs to recuperate 45 billion dollars from twitter to repay the loans he took out to buy it and the big advertising companies that were making up most of its revenue have already left while also eating lawsuits left and right over this shit already

>>6380593
>give them a week, they will be back.
but twitter won't lmao

>>6380233
Post their work, we're all anons here.

>>6380597
when you have enough money you just can't fail people will still think you're a genius and good

>>6380596
you must be seeing leftoids left and also right lmao

>>6380597
>Elon
>inventor of PayPal
>tanked crypto with his memecoin
>starved for money
He'll be fine, and I don't much care for the man myself.

Are you ever paranoid that one day you’ll make it, like get hired at a studio or something, or make friends with some big names, and once they find out you’re an /ic/ shitter they cancel you and leave you with nothing?

I am, so I’m scared of making it, so I don’t want to attract too much attention even though I need attention from at least senior pros to make it. And what if the friends I already have find out I’ve been drawing here and decide I must secretly be a Nazi pedo feral cat fucker or something

>>6380602
His personal value is not big enough to sustain Twitter which is why he took out a loan in the first place and was about to eat a different lawsuit entirely if he didn't buy Twitter with the loan.
That said, it's not about Elon becoming poor or anything, it's about one of the biggest social media websites used by millions potentially being reduced to dust because of the hubris of a single billionaire. Not even the Yahoo buyout of Tumblr was this bad.

>>6380605
>reduced to dust
Ok dramafag, I can tell by the language you choose to use that you drink too much koolaid from people who are invested in making twitter fail because they can't have their safespace anymore. Either way it's fun to watch, I just don't believe the narrative.

>>6380605
He only spend like 20% of his total wealth buying Twitter. I don't think you realize how wealthy he is.

>>6380611
anon do you think that just because he owns tesla and spacex that he can just take money out of them to support twitter without repercussions to the budgets of those companies? why do you think he needed a loan which he has to repay now?
>>6380610
nothing about twitter's usability actually changed besides Elon indiscriminately firing everyone who annoyed him and then firing more people for literally no reason. if you actually worked in any tech sector you'd realize that cutting your workforce down by 80% without changing the number of customers and losing your main revenue stream might actually be a bad idea

>>6380618
> just take money out of them
No anon he can't take money from them directly. That would be illegal. He could sell stocks if he wanted to draw money from those two companies.

>>6380624
Yes that's what he should have done from the start but at the moment I'm failing to remember why he didn't or couldn't because that initial lawsuit before the buy wouldn't have happened if he didn't take a loan.

>>6380624
>He could sell stocks if he wanted to draw money from those two companies.
he already did

>>6380625
He wouldn't had bought Twitter if he didn't have some plan with it. I don't think he will sell stocks to save it but I'm just pointing out that he could. Generally people who have a lot of assets don't mix them.

Just look at Trump who have had a lot of companies that has gone bankrupt. He never spend any of his private money on them afaik. Maybe a poor example because it is Trump and his motives aren't normal but still proves the point. If an investment can't stand on its own then it is better to just let it die.

>>6380633
>He wouldn't had bought Twitter if he didn't have some plan with it.
So far it's just been a constant stream of a big change into immediate regret or rollback (Twitter Blue currently disabled after less than a week, engineers getting rehired immediately for knowledge pass, immediate damage control after the anti-remote work thing etc) so I don't really have faith.

>>6380636
Nah. I think the activity on Twitter is pretty high atm. People love drama and Twitter was a site for drama.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out when we get closer to the American election in 2024. So far there is no good social media alternative to Twitter for drama.

So, do you still think Elon is "based"?

>>6380652
Elon was never based but he's getting pretty close for making everyone seethe like this

>>6380665
Is everybody "seething" and also "coping"?

>>6380672
Would you be asking these things if (You) weren't?

>>6380665
I hope to see the day where spite isn't the primary mode of thought on the internet.

>>6380681
Anon, remember where you are

Finished(?) this and while I do like it, I’m ready to start on the next piece and hopefully do even better. Any good references for rendering in digital art? Feel like I’ve just been doing what I know and could improve in that regard. Also, I want to get better at designing characters and things. Feel like it’s hard to come up with original concepts.

>>6380689

drawing my waifu's fat fucking ass heals my soul

>>6380698
Post her

>>6376760
>>Quite frankly I study in a vacuum at this point.
DAB itself tells you to 50/50. Follow that.

Do you fap to your own material or have done it to art that you could do better?

>>6380709
Sometimes I get a sexy enough idea that I want to draw it but I also get hard before the sketch is even done, then I lose interest after rubbing one out. Never on a complete piece.

>>6380710
For me is the opposite.
I have a good idea, then I create said idea and while doing it I think to better fap later to the final product.
And after everything I lose interest

>>6380678
I would be asking those question if I were. From what I've seen so far, people are just joking about it.
>they are using humor as a cope!

>>6380709
I made a comic one time so I could masturbate to it

*pees on the watercooler*

Good morning, gentlemen

>>6380713
damn, I wish I had that kind of self control

>>6380742
Holy based

>>6380600
No... he is a rareposter and I think he could easily deduce which anon I am because I am one of the only people who gives him (you)s. I would get too embarrassed and he would be grossed out. If you are reading this, I love ya anon!

I laze around in bed in the mornings and all this time of having a sketchbook at my bedside I never thought to try sketching right after waking up. I tend to check the latest happenings first thing in the morning but now I should experiment with trying to draw, that is if my motor skills will let me so soon after sleeping.

Am i the only one that have never created something original? I just practice and copy endlessly. I actually sometimes feel the desire of creating historic scenes but my level is so low compared to people that have done that in the past that i feel discouraged and i also dont know to set up scenes.

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>>6380887
I still do from time to time. It's an scenario I personally found super hot.

At some point I will redo it because now my art is better

>>6381571
based and tru...

>>6369670
That guy's from 1992 Los Angeles

>>6381240
I used to be like this but one morning I woke up with this vivid image in my head of two characters that I just knew I neededt odraw and eventually I built a whole world around them.

Just keep grinding your fundies, one day the muses will visit you.

Replaced mindless phone time today with adding to my sketchbook. I may even draw one more time before bed.

>>6381571
Holy freaking based

i need a ref for how elbow length baggy sleeves fold when bending your arm but every photo i find for baggy clothes is some fucktard submissively putting his arms in front of his dick to protect his virginity

Dating is so weird now that I think I'm starting to "blossom" into someone I can actually like. The only girls I want all have bfs, and the girls that do display some interest in me I find really boring or childish. I've started just using them as ego boosts but talking to them feels like a chore. I want a drawfag gf that's close to my level and actually passionate about it

>>6383075
It's really weird. I get nervous about girls I actually respect and kind of start walking on eggshells a bit and get nervous, but when it's girls I don't care about I'll get straight to the point and just kind of say whatever I want without feeling like I'm risking anything; and they like it.

>>6383082
The next step is to get rid of the anxiety around the girls you like

Jannies just deleted all the AI threads.

I drew longer than I played games today, in fact I'm gonna draw again right now!
>>6383220
Neat!

Starting to really hate coomers. I can respect people that are just drawing porn as a way to make money so they don't have to be a wage slave and still do SFW on another account, but people that get into drawing just for the purpose of porn are frustrating. They literally have no taste except for fetishistic ones and have no appreciation for art unless they can jerk off to it. They have no aspirations and if they do it's just to make money for the purpose of supplying their addiction. They're basically NPCs

>>6383352
I need to stop jerking off desu. It's literally ruined my last relationship because my gf was disgusted by my fat fetish, it wastes hours of my day on the weekends, it probably sucks away my energy, and it basically takes quality girls out of my dating pool because fatties are losers

ive genuinely neglected myself over drawing. i always had this feeling that if i get just a little better at drawing ill be allowed to feel happiness and connection but you just never reach that threshold. im pretty sure a girl from college had a crush on me a few weeks back and in my mind i was like "you dont draw well enough to be in a relationship" so i mostly just ignored her until she stopped coming to talk to me.

i genuinely detest what an unfunny, neurotic, self-centered freak ive used art as an excuse to become. an online friend of mine literally remarked that im just not funny anymore and at first i got sad but honestly its the truth. i used to be a pretty silly and calm person but nowadays all i think about is drawing, and not in a good way. i mean bad thoughts like "you dont deserve to be happy yet".

>>6383352
love /alt/
hate /salt/

>>6383373
You can change any time anon. All you have to do is let go of the baggage, the shit that doesn't matter, and relearn to live in the shit that does.