/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I read your thread and decided to post this fractal instead.

this thread got deleted so the following post is my rebuttal

>>6357629

>Can generate art better than anything anyone can do in 10 seconds
>posts the same 10 flawed pictures
???

>>6357629
Garbage that reeks of pajeet shit
>>6357631
Fucking kino and soul

>>6357629
Yeah because you keep spamming the same shit while offering a low IQ effort repetitive shitposting

>>6357600
AI artists are jealous of us and have had their art rejected in life, I can tell. They think they can generate art and replace us, but all they've done is flood the internet with generated art, making people seek out artists even more, now. They've actually just created a greater gap between artists and non-artists.

by 2025 all visual artists will be replaced

>>6357600
Does anyone have the scream art ai webm?

Free. Public Domain.

>>6357629
they should generate more images of hot women with renaissance clothes
also they should also do an AI to skip the captcha here, it's been about 5 times that I try to answer

>>6357643
On some real shit, literally every artist I've seen do the "Well I'm an actual artist and I really like AI", even when they say some shit like "I've been in the biz for 20+ years!" I look at their art and it actually fucking sucks. I'm actually more impressed they've been drawing that long and their fundamentals are still shit.

Check out the gallery of any "Pro-AI" artist and it's plain as day why they shill so hard for an AI app.

>>6357600
They’re hacks, charlatans. Also the “real artists” mostly are also talentless hacks who are only selling ai slop because “muh top art school degree so it must be good”.

Another point is that ai “artists” are guilty of plagiarism. I don’t want to hear SHIT about “everything is le remix”. It’s not yours. The bot that scrapes the internet for source material is looking at the work of millions of artists who had lightyears more talent than you, and you’re taking credit for someone else’s labour, you fucking onions pseudo intellectual corporate cuck bugman, ywnmi ai faggots. The art is also objectively fucking ugly.

>>6357692

Different areas or the art world would respond differently to AI wouldn't they. This is a strange estuary here at /ic with what seems to be anime and fantasy dominating... i don't know if you guys are aware but the 'official' art scene, the avant guarde I suppose or art market you would be hard pressed to find an artist there who ever lifts a brush or pencil. A lot of it is sculpture or instagram friendly installation...

Damien Hirst the big shot artist of nowadays has said about his way overpriced circle paintings 'if you can find one of those painted by Rachel (an assistant) she does them really well, get one of those.'

Maybe you should loosen up a bit because art isn't about labouring and becoming a master drawer / painter or whatever these days. I suppose AI has made you confront that. If I had been labouring to get good at drawing for years, I'd probably keep going if I found it fun but I would definitely incorporate AI into my practice, because if you can replace hours of drawing by a mouse click, that's not cheating its just the latest technology like photography was.

Also, any copyright infringment or plagiarism worries will sort themselves out naturally. andy Warhol was sued and had to pay up for his Jackie Onnassis paintings. Those lawas didn't just vanish. One of the issues will be you can't tell how much of an AI image has ripped off someone else, but the artist will know and if you succeed they'll let you know, no problem there.

You can't beat em so join em, may as well

>>6357825
..in an article Greg Rutkowski was complaining that people are using his name in their AI prompts to create images in his style.

That's a bummer at first, but I think that could be good publicity for him and more people will want an 'original' from the guy himself.

>>6357631
Pretty. Would pay you to illustrate a fairytale.

>>6357825
We are illustrators. Shock art for normies and investors feels like a big scam

>>6357825
How do you defend the actual “art” looking like shit?

>>6357719
based

>>6357861
>I think that could be good publicity for him and more people will want an 'original' from the guy himself.
That's a myth. People plugging away in art generators aren't paying anybody for shit. In fact, art generator fags were shitting on him on twitter because he dared say he wasn't happy about it. That's on the same level as doing work for somebody for free "for the publicity"

>>6357861
it's the new "pay you in exposure" lol

>>6357861
Imagine selling original work to people who liked the results your name in prompts gave. Then they mint an nft of it and burn the original. I'd only want to sell to people who actually like my art.

>>6357600
They won’t make money not because they don’t have artistic knowledge, but because how lame and pathetic this technology makes the process of producing art (generating in this case). You can’t ask much for typing a few prompts and pressing enter…

In my opinion AI will fuck artists, but also won’t be worth for prompters, the only ones that could be winning are the ones producing exclusive models, like NovelAI did, but even them may not gain much because people will probably steal those models in a few days anyway. So AI Art will be reduced to people generating more and more images for free and copying each other’s prompts.

Because of that, some human artist may end up having a chance, but then AI fags will quickly make models out of trending artists fucking up art in an endlessly cycle. A dark future for art where no one is winning other than coomers fapping for free.

>>6357825
>if you can replace hours of drawing by a mouse click, that's not cheating
That’s also not drawing, not painting, not making art. Describing what kind of art you want and just waiting is called “commissioning”. Generating AI art is commissioning the AI, which is the actual artist, doing the whole process of the art you requested.

>>6357825
I refuse to join kike's fake art circle. That is all.

>>6357936
One of the big reasons I don't view image generators as a good creative tool is that they inevitably steer you toward a certain way of presenting something that probably wasn't what you actually had in mind when you started drawing... and most likely neither was your original sketch, and through refining and continuing that sketch, you can often come up with even better methods and details, or at the very least ones more suited to your style of drawing.
And as a learning tool, do you really want to rely on generated images which a lot of the time have glaring errors, and even more of the time subtle errors? It's the same reason why the best learning resources are real life, followed by untouched photos and videos. And if you're wanting to study a style, why generate some bland, hodgepodge imagebash from the goyslop machine, when you can access the galleries of quite literally thousands of skilled artists who specialize in some permutation of whichever style you're hoping to learn?

>>6357825
/ic/ is definitely a weird bubble. But so is fine art.
Actual commercial artists don't spend their time gaming social media and selling drawings of anime catgirls to random commissioners.
If you're employed by say a game studio, your job is more complex, technical and multi-disciplinary than that. When SD showed up I actually tried to look at it positively and embrace it, oh look there's this tool that makes my job so much easier. Actually came up with genuine ways to boost my 2D workflow with AI. But it turns out less than 5% of what I do actually benefits from the use of it. Drawing and painting 2D illustrations isn't that relevant in this field anymore. If you have a 3D model of a character it's faster and easier to make a render of that than try to wrangle the AI to produce something equivalent. It's always the old nemesis, 3D. The only time I "draw" something is if I do some super rough <5 minute sketch to test out an idea, again, I can do that faster than it would take me to boot up SD and come up with the right words to describe the same thing. And when I'm happy with the sketch I boot up blender because I need the asset in 3D. 3D, 3D, 3D. Sometimes vectors and layers.
3D.
I guess that's why /ic/ idolizes these titty peddling social media artists nowadays. They don't have anything else to look up to. If you're not willing to learn 3DCG there isn't anything else. In industrial art technology has already pushed their favorite techniques into the margins.

>>6357927
Not even coomers will win. They already have internet full of free porn.
Also, the expensive models won’t be stolen by pirates since nearly all of them work from cloud computer.

>>6357629
You're pathetic.

>>6358273
The only people who will possibly win are those trying to monetize a company, like Emad. That's why they're trying to build hype and push the "see? Our product is so good that even artists are scared of us ;)" narrative so he can get a higher valuation.

>>6357647
>blah blah blah you will be replaced
Yeah sure, we haven't heard that one a million times by now. I'd sooner believe shills like you getting replaced by automation first with how repetitive you are.

>>6357600
AI shitters are almost like this guy.
>be fanboy of superheroes
>you will never be a superhero.png, mogged by an actual ubermench
>resentful of natural talent, devotes his life to surpassing them with his inventions
>destroys almost all supers, tries to replace them with fake charlatanism that makes him look like a superhero
>his technology gets out of his control
The only difference is that Syndrome actually was an inventor and 99% of AI shitters aren’t responsible for AI’s creation. They’re just pawns in this anti-humanist demon creation.
>if I make everyone super, no-one will be
They are the no-ones in this case.

>>6359427
kek
this movie was great

>>6357825
>Maybe you should loosen up a bit because art isn't about labouring and becoming a master drawer / painter or whatever these days.
Fucking, THIS IS HOW WE GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. We FAILED to draw a more definitive line and we let the “anything can be art” concept slide, and it’s biting our asses HARD now.
It wasn’t good enough to keep our heads down and proving the point through excellent work, we should’ve been RELENTLESSLY VOCAL about having fucking STANDARDS.

I HATE NORMALFAGGOTS, I HATE CODE MONKEYS, I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

>>6359427
Watched that show as a kid, and then rewatched it recently as an adult. Man, when you relate with Bob. And also how the old Disney movie used to have more... context that adults would understand despite being aimed at kids. Nowadays it's as if completely aimed at zoomers with identity crisis.

>>6357997
What's the deal with 3D? Can you explain more why it's such a bottleneck?

>>6359427
God what an image. And the movie has dozens of shots this good. Incredible

>https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/
Sleep tight AIcels

Copies images from google search. Can't draw. Can't draw well, rather. Complains about instant art and copyright violations.

sigh.

>art is to profit from it! which you can't never do ugh b.... because.... you just can't ok?
I'm glad you patreo and twitter whores are finally getting to die

>>6359608
>>6359626
Incoherent

I'm really enjoying the fuck out of ai. I made a bunch of car models a few years ago in blender. They were never quite as good as I wished they were. I never got into surface detail or advanced rendering nodes and now if I just upload my renders and play with a few sliders and text prompts I can get a reality nice product.

And before this, if people criticized it id feel bad because it wasn't really what I wanted to present so I was already being negative about it. But now I really like it and I genuinely don't give a fuck if other people don't like it.

I don't care of AI gets the credit, all I wanted was to put my idea into a picture and I received that. First you have to be able to draw something and or model, then AI can take it to the next level.

If you are just a really good artist without AI, that's great for you. It's impressive.

>6359691
Then keep your shameful behavior to yourself no one cares why do you feel the need to show people your entire ass you attention seeking faggot

>I like AI because I don't have a spine and I don't care
ok subhuman, very valuable input, truly this is the kind of glowing argument AI shills can all get behind

>>6357997
How early do you think 3D will be automated. There are already models for making text to 3D, but they suck super hard. And by just "giving it time" wont solve the problem of low sample size. There are trillions of pretty pictures on the internet and they are super easy to download and have no rights attributed to them. All the 3D banks have fraction of models that there are paintings on a single art sharing website.

NVIDIA tries to mitigate this bottleneck by just hiring people to photoshoot bunch of irl stuff and make 3D models from it. As you could guess, this is really really limiting. Movies don't sell their assets, so there is that, and videogames allow madders to extract their models and play with them, but if you tried using it somewhere, you will get copyright sued. Yes, the rights to 3D models are about as weak as rights to pictures, but they have AAA studios backing them up. Still all those videogame assets and modelbanks are fraction compared to 2D pictures found on the internet.

Furthermore just making pretty model is not enough, you also have to make the tech do correct topology to make it animatable, generate skeleton for the model and so on. Early AI pictures were very surreal and then got more sharp and better detailed, current AI 3D models are very generic, have shit textures and have very low detail. Idk how long it will take them to fix it, but I would bet that it either proves near impossible to do, or we will have the same repeated year next year, but with 3D models instead of paintings, and based on how it ends up with pictures it will most likely end up with 3D models.

>>6357600
AI shills aren't artists, they're consumers. Nobody generates AI images to sell because they're valueless; any retard with 15 bucks can generate the same thing. People generate AIshit so they can look at it.
Imagine a hypothetical machine that can generate movies. People won't be selling movies to Hollywood, they'll be generating their own.
For a good example of AIshit being for the consumer, look at what is being generated: endless coom, coombait, etc. Nobody is using AI as a way to execute their "creative vision" because the people who have one worth shit learned to draw anyways.

>>6359752
They aren’t artists mostly because the art is 100% done by the AI, which just followed their request, the prompts.
Anyway, that’s true, no one will pay good money for AI generated Art, they got no value since they are just automatic generations, you just need to paste the same prompts and settings and get the exact same result pixel by pixel.
AI is really just a way for self amusement for free, not a way to make money.

it's not a tool, it's a replacement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjSxFAGP9Ss

>>6359901
It is a replacement for humans, no doubt, tech bros just aimed to fuck artists with that.
It’s also not a tool because it’s fully automated, you just request something, press enter and wait a few seconds.

>>6359752
It's not 100% don't by the AI in all cases. If all you are doing is starting with scratch and using only word prompts then I agree with you but that never gets good results. I've tried every AI out there. You only get good results when you upload something to start with. And yes some people will start with another artist's art which I don't like. I've never been a fan of sampling or remixing. But I can upload my own drawing made 100% by me and give the AI the prompts I need to get the render better. You can't have the prompt influence set high any expect anything good. For me the sweet spot is like 20~35%. And I usually have to try a lot of combinations of words and moving the influence slider before I get something good. I guarantee you an AI didn't just give a picture of the devil. They uploaded that picture of the devil and the only text prompt they gave it was gay pride or whatever and all it did was add the rainbow flag to the picture of the devil.

For example pic rel is a random drawing. I camev up with the original character, I drew the character in this pose with threat colors. I had to know something about drawing to get to this point. I had to know how to use anatomy references, how to think about light sources. But I'm not really happy with that as a final product so I uploaded it into the ai art generator.

>>6359919
And after many tries I have something a bit more to my liking. I'm this example I did have a background but in sooner of my drawings I do and you can work on those too to make a picture how you actually want it. Instead of being limited by your rendering skills.

>>6359924
I think this is the best one I've made so far. I have a few other variations and I'll photoshop a few of them together but it's basically what I originally wanted to paint but couldn't.

>>6359931
This is where I had originally finished it. Obviously some of the details like the brains didn't transfer over in that picture I uploaded above but in sooner of the versions I made with the AI those details did make it through, so I will have to combine them together to make the final product.

My point is AI is a tool. It's like Photoshop or 3d modeling. Or anything that can help you make better art.

A tool that made your(skeleton) work look like shit after img2img. What do you like about the img2img results? Looks so ugly I am having a hard time believing someone could like it.

>>6357861
>could be good publicity for him
Only scam artists say this shit. To add to that, the Greg Rutkowski article was him talking about how incompetent AI is at doing pieces in his style but also how annoying it is for artists with online portfolios because AIfags tag and prompt their images with artist names.

>>6359919
It's sad to see artists sucumb like this, asking a machine to do what they could clearly make themselves if not so lazy.
You could easily achieve a better and more precise result by practicing intead of playing this lazy gacha game.
You're fooling yourself if you think this is a tool, this was developed as a fully automated solution, that's why you need to keep trying results after results until you get something a little bit closer to what you originally inteded, it's the machine guiding you, that's why it's not a tool.

I have never seen img2img that made improvement. The pictures posted here >>6359919 >>6359936 are objective downgrade. The skeleton singer got his tattooed head replaced with skull, his ear looks like shit, his mouth looks like shit, his golden accessories look like shit. The previous one looks like something I would put into my favorites. The robo couple is also shit. The brains from the robots got completely removed, the male robot got his arm removed and both of them have asymmetrical ugly bodies. The only symmetrical part of their bodies that remained is the robo girl asscheeks and legs.

The fact that it works better on just text alone then img2img should be enough to show artists this garbage sucks as a tool, but is really good at replacing you. This also includes directors and idea guys. Directors and idea guys will struggle working with this thing since it wont be perfect representation of their imagination, but rather the machine will think of its own story, its own style and so on. This is replacement for all of creativity, not just the work of drawing shit line by line to make a final picture.

ghost in the machine

>>6360037
Exactly, img2img is bullshit, AI was made to do things by its own and generates a much better result this way.

This is not a tool at all, it's a fully automated solution for replacing creativity jobs. Which will lead to this endless game of generating stuff until something good comes out, usually totally different than what was intended, it's the machines in control of something that should be intrinsic of the human beings.

>>6360063
The trick with img2img is generate hundreds of permutations and pick the best. Then do it again. Just need a rack of cpu+gpus. Write your own scripts to optimize for your setup. No big deal.

>>6360037
>I have never seen img2img that made improvement.

you just have to start with a sufficiently bad initial image

>>6360110
Then you just need to feed it bad images for it to complete. At a certain point of completion with decent skill the AI will always make an image worse.

The AI can make helpful suggestions early on. I've used it a few times to suggest alterations based on a rough sketch with some rough color values. I was drawing a total blank on shoes, and the AI added in things like seams. I didn't let the AI draw for me, but for someone trying to break into intermediate level it was helpful in providing small fixes to issues I hadn't noticed.

>>6360110
My ideal use for an img2img would be using it as a straight up inker for my sketchwork. Even then I'm so anal about how I want the inks to look that I doubt I'd be happy with however the machine would handle it.

since people are posting img2img stuff i will post the results i got experimenting with my own shoddy sketches using waifu diffusion.
i'm new to it, so the results weren't the best. using a character with a complicated design probably didn't help either.
it felt a little like putting a snapchat filter on my art if i'm being honest lol. i also don't like the lack of control and doing gacha rolls for the best result is kinda boring and tedious. i am a little curious on what the results would have been if i had trained the AI on my own artwork though.

>>6360182
Each iteration takes it closer and closer to Chinese mobagame ad art.

>>6360037
>>6360025
I take a lot of what you said as compliments but this whole thing about me being able to do better myself is not true. I spent 3 years drooling as hard as I could to get to this level. And I'm in my 30s. I'm not gonna get better. I can count the number of drawing I made this whole year on one hand. I worked 38 hours of overtime last week. I spend time on my project car. I'm just having fun twerking my old drawings and models. I'm not that good at Photoshop that I can do that. But as I already said twice, you pointed out the brain is missing in the one drawing, yes, in just that one version that the ai generated but each one is a little different. I have done that have a brain but the face of weird. I haven't sat down and put them all together yet. But it won't be difficult to do that.

In particular I think the best application is actually just cleaning up my shitty blender models. They actually look how I wished I could have made them. Like I said, I'm only putting the slider around 20 or 30%. It's not like a filter than an art generator but, enjoy not using it. Do whatever you want. Wtf are you getting upset about

>>6360197
Drooling... Drilling. Maybe drooling was accurate. This is the screen shot. I don't remember what the cyan scribbles were about.

>>6360182
This is a pretty good example of how it genercizes the input art. The hand in your drawing was very clearly depicted in a certain pose, and yet one of the very first things it did was change it to a completely different, less interesting pose, one which I'm sure matched 75% of the images in its database which depict a hand interacting with a hat or goggles on the character's head.

>>6359936
i just slapped all the pictures i got together into a simple gif and i kind of like this as it is better than it might look if i photoshop the good parts of each one together. i like that its jumpy and weird. kind of adds to the uneasy feeling i wanted it to give people anyway. you can see his arm and their brains flickering in and out.

It's not an exaggeration when people say ESL pajeets are the ones that are behind pushing this shit. Even the youtube algorithm is pushing asian/arab weeb channels that are created solely to defending and doing paid promotion of AI programs/sites.
>10 minute video openly shilling for Open AI and Stable Diffusion
>8 minutes claiming that deformed anime pictures is indistinguishable from real drawn art

>>6360197
>I spent 3 years drooling as hard as I could to get to this level
And now you'll never improve again because you would rather suck AI cock

Since this thread seems to be civil enough, I will waste time here and answer OP's question.

I have been on /ic/ for quite a while and I saw the seething from artists and the chilling from AI pajeets and though it amused me greatly, I think that the fundamental issue is that both sides view AI art very differently.
I have 3 hobbies that I invest a lot of time into: Writing, Gamedev and PnP RPGs. I need art and illustrations for all 3, and for me, AI art is a boon.
I can just whip out "good enough" illustrations that I can use for covers, am watching pixel art generation closely and am using AI art for all my characters and campaigns.
I simply treat the art I receive from AIs as a basic asset. An expense that I managed to avoid and that I can now get for free. Would I use AI art for something very professional that I would publish physically and put in people's hands? Maybe not. But it's so damn easy to whip out projects now.

/ic/, and most twitter artists, seem to look at AI art with an overly critical eye. They look at the lighting and the poses and the most minute details because they have the eye for it. They got used to studying art instead of looking at it. That's why they will tell you, rightfully so, that AI art is trash.
You won't find AI art in the Louvre, unless it was there BECAUSE an AI made it, not because it's art.
This of course, also brought the important question that made every artist uncomfortable. WHAT is art, actually? Like >>6359435 said, artists failed to define what art is and were too open minded. Anything could be art if you look at it hard enough. And so if you start having standards now, if you start deciding what is or isn't art, 90% of twitter artists will start feeling uncomfortable.
"Will I make the cut-off?"

So, to answer OP's question. Most AI shills are selling the CONVENIENCE of art, and hoping to strike gold by selling shovels to gold miners. In this case, the shovels are a way to get an infinite amount of art assets >4 free.

>The ones I think who can make money
But it doesn't matter what you think. I've seen probability defying consecutive miracles happen in the market that mindbroke those thought the laws of rationality made it impossible. Why is 4chan still so naive about how people subjectively value things to the point of buying obvious bullshit snake oil.

Have you guys not ever done market research on what trends or has staying power? Ever looked through graphtreon? How many more modified bashes on templates or glitchy AI painting sets on art station do you need to see, or ugly monkey nuts and fat crudely made Pokémon all trending before the realization kicks in?

Go try to have a nuanced discussion with the cumbrains on /a/ about when fan service doesn't work. They can't even comprehend simplified clarifications and thinks you're a glowie/witch out to subvert and censor. These are the morons who mass buy every piece of ecchi created like a bunch of repressed Muslims.

>>6359719
Something most people forget is that AI advances build on AI advances.
All it's gonna take is one AI shitting out a million 3d models a day for the other AIs to learn from.
History warned us countless times that technological advancements are exponential. It builds it on itself until it outpaces human adaptability, and then you end up with people left behind.

>>6360246
Well, that's the exact market who will get the most use out of this tech - 3rd world CGI and generic asset shithouses

>>6359719
I am personally very worried about 3D asset libraries selling out to AI companies. How do we know that, for example, SketchFab doesn't have an agreement with OpenAI right now?

>>6359719
A good rule of thumb for artists going forward will be to stop tagging your work, and only share it on sites which have it behind some sort of wall, be it a login, paywall, or at the very least not something actively indexed by Google. People freely sharing their work and having it autistically tagged is what allowed this to exist in the first place.

>>6360349
Art is not really intellectual property. Look what Napster did to music. When is the last time you paid for music? I was definitely downloading music for free in high school at some point between 01 and 05. So maybe for 20 years I haven't paid one musician for any of their music. And hey if Kanye west wants to remove daft punks song, he didn't have to pay them, he doesn't need permission, they're is nothing they can do about it. He just puts a nigger beat and some retarded rap over their hard work and suddenly it's ok to steal it. Yes. So this is that your models of sketchfab might just be hidden away to open AI, yes of course they will. I'm sure they already have. And I'm sure it's all in the tos that you agreed to.

You don't own anything once you upload it to any platform. Facebook and Instagram tell you straight up that they own your pictures when you upload them to your profile on their website.
If course sketchfab is the same.

>>6360272
desu, even if the ai can spit out 3d models, it's not gonna change much in terms of concept art. i'm not that other dude, but he's right. almost all concept art is just 3d renders/photobashing. SD in that regard is not gonna change the landscape of concept art anywhere near the combo of 3d modelling/posing software + sketchfab/turbosquid/etc. if they only need a. rough idea, they describe it to me and i sketch something by hand in <5 min. would take me way longer to boot up SD and fuck around with prompts/inpainting/img2img bullshit. if they need a fancier mockup then i plug all my shit into maya, either premade assets, slightly modified premades, or maybe stuff that corporate have supplied to me, and i do a bunch of renders to their liking. maybe SD helps with the photobashing aspect a bit? but idk, photoshop already mostly does what i need there. SD seems really just like a visual slot machine for retards with 0 technical ability with any program at all. people who know programs understand that we've had the ability because of 3d asset markets + photoshop to churn out high-quality mockups for quite a long time. and sketching + simple 1-tone colouring on photoshop gets a concrete idea across in like <5 min if you're capable. industry's been in a race to the bottom for a very long time and i don't see this changing the dynamic anymore than other stuff. even in 30 years, when it has better semantic understanding, diffusion is just inherently really stochastic and requires a fair bit of fiddling to patch things up.

>>6360037
I put all 8 images from the ai into layers and took all the parts of each that i liked and photobashed them together.
compare to my original drawing
>>6359936

you complained that his arm was gone and that their brains were gone. but in some of the images those things remained so i used those ones. i used the best version of her back, of his face, of his arm, of his leg, of her butt, and now i have the best image from all of them combined.

>>6360720
sampling is legal.

>Facebook and Instagram tell you straight up that they own your pictures when you upload them to your profile on their website.

yep social media is cancer and we should stop using that shit.

>>6357631
Sexoooooo

I'm actually making about $180 bux on Pixiv fanbox just doing Rin/ishtar coomer ai art.
Mind you this is from someone who has never taken any formal art classes/schools, ever drew or painted trad/digital and hasn't the slightest clue of what makes "good" art other than coomer art.

It's pretty fun, the newer models also just keep getting better.

>>6366153
without proof you're a cockgobbling niggerlover

>>6362825
Yeah we know 3d artists are kitbashing hacks who can't draw a circle to save their life. Took less time to get these landscapes ready to go than one guy by hand who boots up jewware. Probably even took you longer to type out that post. Either way it's not labor intensive and the liability and headache of dealing with humans is gone. I've seen and learned enough that junior environment artists training on background assets should cut their losses while machine god is still a zygote.

>>6366420
Copy paste prompt or deal with jeet sketches and pissy artists? I'll ask South Korea that just ajtomating everything.

>>6357600

because AI shills are brainlets.

they don't draw, don't want to even put an effort in to learning to draw.

they don't code. they either dumb enough to spend money to use it or follow youtube tutorial.

They like to pretend to be an artist.

AI shills are insignificant.

>>6366436
Value isn't derived from labor. People gobble up nothing but bullshit and placebos because it's their choices are based on their ordinal subjectivity. Making money isn't about merit or brute force. Tech is more capitally intensive and less complimentary with labor.

You speak with ego, not the grace of an artist.

>>6366153
at least fix the hand ffs

>>6366611
you think the people who peddle this shit have the skill necessary to fix anything let alone a hand

>>6366153
Haha he's larping in the acrg and skeb threads too and got told to fuck off.

I've been posting AI shit but it just hit me that this is a critique board, and I'm not saying AI is bad, but it's not really a skill, and so this is not really the place to come for critique. This place is not supposed to be a circle jerk. I'm sorry, I was wrong to post here. I think you guys are right. Yea you can make something that looks really good, but what is the point of posting it here? What are these people supposed to tell you? You want us to tell you what text prompts to use? Even that you can't do for yourself?

AI is kind of like google translate. I started learning Japanese in 2001. I use it everyday at work. I've been to Japan many times. Google translate doesn't make me irrelevant.

But if you were coming to a website asking people for help on improving your language skills, you wouldn't just copy and paste something from Google translate.

Are you trying to learn this skill or not? If you jus want to use AI that's fine. Make whatever art you want. But this is not the correct place to post about it.

It's that simple. There's no critique for us to make if you aren't the one painting the picture.

>>6366153
OMG her hand is merged with her breasts! Thats too unsettling. Argh

>>6366725
well said anon! now head back to /g/ won't you?

>>6357600
THERE ARE 12 THREADS ABOUT AI UP ON /ic/ RIGHT NOW

THERE ARE 19 THREADS ABOUT ELON MUSK OR HOW TO GET POPULAR ON TWITTER UP ON /ic/ RIGHT NOW

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 31 THREADS ABOUT 2 TOPICS

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三十一

THREADS ABOUT AI:

>>6369226
>>6369059
>>6368525
>>6367635 (AND ABOUT TWITTER)
>>6367116
>>6367012
>>6366171
>>6364656 (AND ABOUT TWITTER)
>>6363640
>>6362886 (AND ABOUT PIXIV NUMBERS)
>>6357746
>>6357600


THREADS ABOUT NUMBERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA:

>>6369247
>>6368281
>>6367700
>>6367635 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6367438
>>6367280
>>6366264
>>6365807
>>6364656 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6364522
>>6364246
>>6363872
>>6362886 (AND ABOUT AI)
>>6362405
>>6360135
>>6356821
>>6356353
>>6348891

>>6359752
>For a good example of AIshit being for the consumer, look at what is being generated: endless coom, coombait, etc. Nobody is using AI as a way to execute their "creative vision" because the people who have one worth shit learned to draw anyways.
On vrpg I saw an aspiring dev use AI art to make uncanny valley backgrounds and monsters concept art for an horror-themed game. But you can tell he was an exception, turning a recurring AI art problem into an strength, you don't see many do that.

>>6357600
Maybe not a fortune, but running a patreon and fanbox with cherrypicked AI generated artworks (not disclosed as AI) has gotten me around 3000USD over past month, so I'd say there's potential in it, especially given the lack of effort

>>6370609
damn bro, it makes me consider it, being in art got me blacklisted on local banks, and I'm in need of 10k for the end of the year or I'll have to escape to another country or hide in a cave in the northlands
anybody please convince me of not selling my soul to AI and risk getting my legs taken away

>>6370609
>Maybe not a fortune, but running a patreon and fanbox with cherrypicked AI generated artworks (not disclosed as AI) has gotten me around 3000USD over past month, so I'd say there's potential in it, especially given the lack of effort
This post reeks of pajeet shit and lies

>>6370640
I'd say just try it for yourself, maybe if you succeed it'll convince you

>>6357620
>>6357629
Why do ai fags always only pull from the same 10 pictures when they want to show how incredible AI is supposed to be?

>>6366725
>This place is not supposed to be a circle jerk.
You must be new here.

>>6370654
pyw, let's compare and critique.

oh yeah. well, work on it.

>>6370609
pyw or fake. i know you wont post shit anyways you liar faggot so fuck you.

AI art is real art.
Trans women are women.

>>6370662
Here's an example of things you can easily generate and peddle as real, the hands ARE a problem, but always can have a pose with them not visible

>>6370690
My nose is bleeding a sea of red

>>6370690
>3000 USD in one month for garbage like this

>>6370609
Post your pixiv dashboard and followers count

/ic drawers are mad that A.I. makes better perv art than they can. Complete demented rage.

>>6370775
gb2rdrama tranny

>>6370775
>/ic drawers
>perv art
type like a normal person newfaggot

>>6370785
Q.E.D.

>>6370775
you type like an absolute tranny

>>6370787
Righty-o. Shoulda quoted "drawers".

Hey guys, is this the AI artist thread?

>>6370806
no and not the furfaggot thread also

>>6370808
Oh sorry, my bad.

>>6370660
My point is that you always claim its an infinite pool of superior art, but only show the same few pictures.

>>6370814
Re-run copy pasta is a staple of 4chan. Gotta chuckle when anti-A.I. clowns whine about "copyright".

>>6370810
Post moar. At least someone here is doing original art.

>>6370775
AI can't do feet. Prove me wrong.

>>6370821
Sure thing, sweetie

>>6370818
>copyright
Technically, AI generated images by Stable diffusion are open source without any licenses, not even creative commons. It's stated in the license that users forfeit all copyright generated by SD
Technically you can do this
>make new art account, pixiv account, or whatever, or just use your old art account
>download any AI images, be it from AI pixiv ranking
>do some modification or just directly upload it
>claim it as yours

>>6370848
Why edit it at all? Just re-upload the same image, better yet watermark it with your account name.

>>6370848
What if I simply lied and said it wasn't AI generated?

>>6370857
i could just ask you to post video process of your work.
stumped lol.

>>6370690
Once again the eyes, mouth, hair, and clothes look like blurry melted wax. Every time you AIfags post something you always prove yourself to be either retarded or blind.

>>6370862
Are you going to ask every artist you find to do that in the future?

>>6370824

>>6370857
People can tell your pictures are computer generated because the disjointed hair and attire. You fags fail to realize that even beginner artists know how to render basic cohesive form such as making sure the buttons on a piece of clothing actually look like buttons.

>>6370857
It's easy to spot AI generated image but nobody will care anyway if you really need to hide the fact it's AI generated. it means your generated images is not that good or you're not confident to flex your prompting skills to make people think
>whoa, is this really AI?
It's better to steal something appealing like this

>>6370857
>ummm people are literally dumb and stupid to tell the difference anyway :)
You must be clinically retarded not tell how many flaws your AI pic has LMAO

>>6370690
looking at the thumbnail was alright but when I opened the image I was very disappointed

I think AI is very good at things that are tedious (rendering) and not good at things that require insight (continuity, like being able to distinguish between overlapping objects).

>>6357600
I feel sorry for artists. I don't find drawing interesting. Sometimes I do it, but it's hard to keep my focus. I prefer other subjects. I can tell when an image is generated by an AI even though I'm not an artist because the lines are never crisp and the AI tends to merge things way too often, not even always hands with bodyparts etc, but sometimes backgrounds with clothes or objects with other objects.

There are out of touch jew niggers who want AI to succeed because they're destructive parasites who view artists as a means to an end rather than respectable creators. The unfortunate matter is that artists are too common on earth to made a decent profit, because they have to compete with eachother, and now they are going to have to compete with a shlomoshekelblatt AI.

It's like the music industry, actually. Jews will try and set up centralised art in the same way they set up repetitive, soulless, shit music, which anyone with taste can tell is shit, but most of the masses will eat up because they love their goyslop.

>>6359637
Shut up nigger, you don't have schizophrenia and pattern recognition like the cool autists

>>6370857
I'm not sure what it is, but AI generated pictures always seem to have the same kind of...color+lightning?
I'm not a good enough artist to describe it really, but they all do taste the same unless they are heavily edited or have large parts of them redrawn.

>>6359752
they are the consumers feeding the machine with their personal taste in form of prompts. Soon the prompt making is taken over by the machines too.

The only one profiting from it are the developers of the AI on the backs of jobs people actually enjoy and want to do

>>6359752
Bro still hasn’t realised you can pass AI art as “real” art and sell it to people who don’t know any better

>>6373457
Can you? I am yet to see the receipts. Where are these sales taking place?

>>6373457
post your work? post socials? patreon? not gonna post anything to prove it?

>>6357600

I guess, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better

>>6373476

more context

>>6373476
And how much money was made here? None! Why are you so fucking retarded? Really, why?

>>6373471
Don't you think it'd be pretty stupid of me to do that, given an angry mob from here that'd rush to report them? I'd rather not be believed than to lose the accounts

>>6373481
Thing is, no money was made but also no money was lost, let's say dude was a game dev, he could easily use these as assets for his game, and he'd lose 0 money, instead of otherwise hiring an artist/commisioning the potion images

>>6373484
Yeah and you do have a gf she just goes to another school hahaha

>>6359440
Disney's all kitsch. OG Toy Story, A Bug's Life, the Incredibles, WALLE—that's pure Pixar soul

>>6373487
Not gonna get tricked into getting banned that easily amigo

>>6373481

Pretty sure they're going to make a business out of it anon.
Others can also make similar tools and use it to generate assets for money.
Game developers will use it to speed up production and cut labor costs. Thereby making money that way as well.

Do you really think the ability to create hundreds of game assets instantaneously isn't monetizable or profitable?

>>6373484
Don't you think it is stupid to gloat about making money with it, in a thread denying that you can, and not come with any kind of proof?

>>6373479
Wow! You can now generate free generic potions! As if there weren’t tons of assets like these you can get for Pennies, ai can easily replicate generic stuff, the stuff no one pays much to do.

>>6373486
Nah, someone like that would just use the many free assets that are out there.
>>6373491
Why would someone buy their ai shit when they could generate it themselves?
Or buy hand made stuff that looks better?

>>6373484
ah, so no proof then, it didn't happen. you know the rules and so do i.

>>6373504
Good enough for me

>>6373499
Don't you have to credit people for free assets you use? Also I've seen people that were able to recognize particular free assets that were used in games, so I'd say generating that yourself is better since you can also make it fit more aesthetically, than a generic free asset, though that's just my take

>>6373491
An ai-fag would just take the sample ai images to dreambooth, getting their own potions for free. It's not stealing! It's referencing like an artist.

>>6373499

For the same reason you buy food at restaurants instead of cooking at home. The restaurants use the same ingredients you could buy at the grocery store, the recipes aren't usually that difficult or sophisticated. Almost anyone can make a Starbucks drink, they even let you buy their ingredients if you ask. But almost nobody makes their own.

It's an easy way to guarantee fast, high-quality results. Simple as. Prompting and generating AI art will be a skill itself, at least for some time. People trust brands. They will see a brand and company creating results and undermine their own ability to create their own content, even with the guides online easily accessible.

>>6373506
Nobody really cares about noticing assets but a few autists in forums.
I believe indies will increasingly use ai for art in their games, so asset artists may face challenges here(or raise prices as bespoke art becomes more valuable?), but where is this fortune being made on the ai art itself as per OP?

>>6373512
People will release dreambooth models for everything, for free. Democratizing! Why buy ai assets when you can just dl a fantasy dreambooth model, and combine it with another model that suits your game style?
No fortunes to be made here.

>>6373512
If people are forgoing commissioning artists who don't use AI with their own skills, style, and branding to create game assets with AI, why would they hire AI artists when the skill barrier for creating good results with AI is so much lower than drawing, even if they have the branding and prompting skill? Price?

>>6373528
I don't think you can earn much money as an AI artist, exactly because of the reason you stated, however I feel you can still play pretend and profit off that, especially if the prices of "real" artists increase, as some here seem to speculate. There's even a potential way to bypass people asking for sketch as proof, given you can simply train a hypernetwork on a set of random sketches, however I guess video proof would be a hard roadblock.

>>6373531
First and foremost people will be more and more likely to check artists galleries first and see how long back it goes. So at least for a couple years it AI "artistry" won't be very profitable.

>>6373534
Guess best to start early, as with most things

>>6373524
>Virgin Prompter vs the Gigachad Dreamboother.

>>6373524

Most people won't have a powerful enough graphics card to generate ai art for commercial use. If they decide to self prompt, then they'll probably have to rely on apis or software someone else built, with those hosting likely charging $$$ for usage.

>>6373528

Speed. It's something that's prioritized a lot in the commercial art and business world. Speed has a huge impact on cost of production etc.

Just call AI art what it is: art laundering

>>6357712
AI artists are the ultimate artcels

Ha. 4chan ads are using A.I.

>>6371012
try using "colorful" on your prompt
>>6373512
how do I know you live in a city
>>6373524
just download stuff from opengameart dot com
>>6373780
paperspace rents you a rtx5000 for 8 usd a month, what about renting 6hours of webui usage to those people for 8 usd?

>>6373831
Incel: can't get real women
Artcel: can't make real art

bros, lets use the ai against them. if we make an ai that can detect ai art, we win, and they can NEVER make money again. who's in?

>>6373916

Anon. Most normies hardly know what a graphics card really is. You think they're doing to give a shit about renting one?

You have to understand that most of the world is not terminally online like we are. They don't know about the ai art /g/ thread, or have sites/places they can go to for this sort of thing. This shit will be like literal magic to them. Like the fucking 'cloud'. Especially to all the rich, powerful, tech-illiterate boomers out there. If your mom or dad needed an art asset, do you think they're going to rent a graphics card or pay someone else to generate it for them?

AI chads will set up sites, and the normies will pay. They're already fucking doing it. They're going to have sites that let you generate book covers, concept art etc. Entire industries are built off this sort of thing, basically exploiting the laziness and ignorance of other people.

It's an emergent industry. Shit's just getting started. A year or two from now, it's going to be fucking everywhere. You will see service after service after service offering this stuff. In fact it's already all over freelancing sites like fiver.

>>6370857
This one actually looks pretty nice to me, except for the fog

>>6373916

Anon. Most normies hardly know what a graphics card really is. You think they're going to give a shit about renting one?

You have to understand that most of the world is not terminally online like we are. They don't know about the ai art /g/ thread, or have sites/places they can go to for this sort of thing. This shit will be like literal magic to them. Like the fucking 'cloud'. Especially to all the rich, powerful, tech-illiterate boomers out there. If your mom or dad needed an art asset, do you think they're going to rent a graphics card or pay someone else to generate it for them?

AI chads will set up sites, and the normies will pay. They're already fucking doing it. They're going to have paywalled sites that let you generate book covers, concept art, album covers, etc. Entire industries are built off this sort of thing, basically exploiting the laziness and ignorance of other people.

It's an emergent industry. Shit's just getting started. A year or two from now, it's going to be fucking everywhere. You will see service after service after service offering this stuff. In fact it's already all over freelancing sites like fiver.

>>6374102
Yeah, after all the wanking about "democratization" it's all going to end up behind a paywall/subscription. No one invests millions into a company because they want the world to use products for free. Anyone who thinks this AI stuff is an altruistic effort is laughably ignorant.

>>6359626
This is clearly a twin towers prompt

>>6374106

Exactly. 100%. A lot of these gaming companies, animation studios, etc...they're run by rich, fat boomers. And these people care about business, their share-holders, their bottom line. They don't give a shit about their artists, about graphics cards or stable diffusion or unfair automation or out-sourcing. They care about being as efficient and fast as humanly possible. They will be more than willing to pay boatloads to a handful of people that know how to use AI if that means not paying hundreds of others to slowly toil away at hand-made work.

Also this person was responding to >>6374104, had a similar post up before then deleted it.

>>6374104
>Most normies hardly know what a graphics card really is. You think they're going to give a shit about renting one?
bruh, we are talking about game developers here. that's almost as far from normie as you can get. The string of comments is drifting now.
What do non creative normies need with AI art? that's the thing, they don't.
>>6374118
Yes, the money will be made by big companies, not by 4chan AI-shills.

>>6374128

The AI-specific companies will be founded, staffed and run by AI shills, with some of them likely posting on 4chan, or they'll have posted here before.

It's a shitposting site but a lot of highly educated people are here regardless. Lots of industry fags, college/university students, post-grad adults working mcjobs desperate for a good side-hustle. I'm a developer with 5 years experience myself. Do you think all the shills here are dedicating so much time to learning stable diffusion shit 'just for fun'?

>>6374128

> What do non creative normies need with AI art? that's the thing, they don't.
Okay, I'm out. You have to be trolling with a statement like this lmao. Normies drive demand in the commercial art industry, because they are the ones that pay for everything. They will pay the people that will understand how the technology works. It's not just indie game devs that will use this tech. It will be big companies, paying third parties staffed by AI shills. This tech can also be used to generate almost everything normies pay for in the art world. Album art, birthday cards, whatever.

You are witnessing the birth of the cheap, automated, mass-produced art world. Clothing used to be made by artisans that gave a shit. Now it's made in factories like it's nothing. Same shit, different era. gg

>>6374146
Anon... as a consumer I must say when was the last time any big company entertaiment thing excited you in the past 10 years that didn't flop or under preformed
>and how many do you feel went to shit or failed spectacularly
also marketing to normies is not usually a strategy for original/niche stuff we have already the gacha machine mobile store and it infesting AAA games plus clout chasing with current trend stuff what does AI really change about that besides adding more shit to the pile
>marketing to a niche to means people will quickly know you and AIshills almost always come off as self obsessed faggots

>>6374146
assuming your predictions are correct.
i still don't really think your average prompt engineer will stand to gain much more than the factory workers who replaced those artisans during the industrial era did. it's pretty cheap labor, that's the point. Maybe a lucky few who manage to successfully start up a business will reap the benefits.
and for how long will that industry be profitable? tech does tend to become increasingly accessible and easy to use over time.

Using the term "prompt engineer" is like saying "custodial engineer" instead of jannie

>>6374183
Jews are the sponsors. If it's not for massive profit, it's mean they aiming for total control. They lost billion of $ for pushing woke shit on games, comic and cartoon but they still do it, for total control. As for money, they will just print it.

>>6374118
These animation and gaming studios will be replaced themselves in 5 years top. Them not fighting this will kill them. Why buy Disney slop if you can make it yourself.
>But if we ban AI art in west, chinks will do it faster
Yes, and they will keep it for themselves. It’s not AI that speeds up science, or helps the military. There are dedicated companies working on replacing artists and creativity, sucking up all the comp-sci graduates who should be doing better research then how to make dumb pictures. Chinese media is pretty closed of and anti-individual, so they will not do stable diffusion meme and release it open source. You are not helping the US gdp growth with this tech, you are ruining it by making people no longer pay for shit like movies and games. This whole technology is just economic suicide for all the art sites and media corpos who are too boomery to see the future, only ones who profit are the few AI companies that will rely on investors like Stable Diffusion, and graphics cards selling companies.

>>6374146
No. Normies don't know what they want. I'm not even sure they drive demand like you say. I think it might be the opposite, artists create demand when they make something that strikes a chord with normies.

>>6374203
>These animation and gaming studios will be replaced themselves in 5 years top.
This thread has entered full clownery lately, so I Imagine that /ic/ finally understood to this shit.

>>6374104
I meant renting them the link to the webui, not the remote virtual machine with access to the gpu

>>6370806
>no flaws
>no replies
checkmate artists

>>6374183

"Your average prompt engineer" is not a 12 year old eating tendies in their moms basement. They are currently artists, programmers, writers, youtubers, streamers, etc. People with existing skills and something to gain by combining prompting with what they're doing. They will build unique use cases, then sell their services or goods for profit. Either that or they will save significantly on staffing or labor costs. They will replace a lot of traditional illustrators etc in the process because their speed/efficiency will allow them to do the work of teams of people.

AI animation being used to create a spiderverse lookalike: https://twitter.com/CorridorDigital/status/1591958349612224514
An AI artist monetizing through NFTs: https://twitter.com/infiniteyay/status/1592097442102931457
Here is a youtuber creating album covers etc for clients through fiverr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2psSl6oM0vw&ab_channel=JensenTung

You also have people creating patreons, amassing large Twitter followings, doing commissions, one is tabling at conventions now apparently. And it's only been a handful of months that this tech has been released in its current form.

> Why do AI shills retards think they can make a fortune outta of AI art if they don't know the slightest knowledge of art or at least commercial expertise knowledge of how to sell art in social medias or outside of it?

1. What makes you think they know nothing about art?
2. What makes you think they can't learn about the industry if they don't?
3. There are already tonnes of examples of people monetizing this shit, or of creating avenues that will eventually be profitable

>>6374700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68

>>6374700
Real artists can literally do #3 and make quick money from retards to keep supporting their love of drawing, Do it now before this shit becomes mainstream and everyone gets fatigued from it.

>>6374700
I love how you guys went from "artists are obsolete and completely replaceable with prompts" to "actually artists using this are valuable, look at some very fringe instances of artists making NFTs (lol)"

Sounds like you have to change the narrative because no one but low standards broke coomers give a shit about your gacha toy.

>>6374700
>says people are making AI patreons
>links none

>>6374652

I thought you people didn't like it when the ai images are nitpicked, but i'll take the bait.

>her snout and eyes are pointing down and to the right when the ears/head is clearly pointing forward.
>fur melting with shirt at the side of the neck.
>two highlights on the right eye would imply two equal light sources on either side, but clearly there's only one bright light source to the left
>nonsensical lights and shadows (sometimes coming from the side, sometimes the back)

Pretty embarrassing considering how generic it is. Part of the reason why you're not getting replies is that the critique is worthless. You can't teach it to the ai. You probably can't even see the flaws yourself after they're pointed out. Pointing them out is a waste of time, so you might as well assume that any ai image you post has flaws, even if you can't see them.

>>6370660

>>6370848
That's just if you use their service, if you use the model locally the only license that applies is "Open RAIL-M".

>>6374700
>AI animation being used to create a spiderverse lookalike
Are you retarded?

>>6357600
Luddite.

>>6375587
Seethe Artcel

>>6374700
>What makes you think they know nothing about art?
because they use a glorified collage device instead of doing the art by themselves

>>6360182
What is Img2Img

>>6376174
An AI that create variants of an image

>>6357600
>Why do AI shills retards think they can make a fortune outta of AI art if they don't know the slightest knowledge of art
that's not what gonna stop the from earning money. it's the barrier of entry that'll stop them once it gets good enough their will be no need to pay someone to prompt and toggle cogs for 10 mins when they can easily do that themselves no once is gonna care about what they can make because everyone will be busy making content for them selves. as for big projects like movies or AAA games they'll never get those kinds of gigs since artist are already far ahead in creativity that ai will just make the gap even harder for aishills to catch up but they never thought they'd get that far at best they think they can barge in on the freelance commision market which won't work.

>>6357861
retard that's not good publicity for him, people are just gonna use the aI instead of commissioning him since it's cheaper. how are you guys this retarded.