/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

is the pen a new version of the pro 2?

This is their new proper product after....10? 12? years of rehashing the same crap
kek (and lel)
I give it a mere few months before the chinks one-up them with something higher resolution or much cheaper

>>6296525
Comes with vesa mounting holes, guess Wacom learned their lesson. 120Hz should feel a lot more responsive.

>>6296531
Yeah it's new, pro pen 3 now. Looks like you can swap out the buttons, grip and weight. The tip looks different too. No more eraser on the end. A bit thinner too, like a pencil.

>>6296525
not moving from my intuos4

>>6296525
120hz? That refresh rate sounds extremely overkill for this purpose.

>>6296549
You don't know what you're talking about. Drawing is the ONLY thing besides gaming that high refresh is good for.
Drawing on a high refresh screen feels so fucking good I traded in my cintiq 16 for an intuos to use my 144hz monitor. I only traded back for a 24 inch because the size makes it good for workflow, but boy do I miss the buttery smoothness.

>only available for shipping to the US

i'm literally crying maple syrup right now you guys

>>6296564
Must be the type of thing you try once and can never go back to what it was before.

>>6296572
It really is.

>>6296525
>using ever something else but intuos 3
LOL

>$3500
lmao

no thanks I’l still with my Ipad Pro 2021

cool if i start saving now maybe i can afford one by 2036

>>6296607
This desu my entire setup was 3500 so spending that just on a tablet is fucking absurd to me.

>>6296710
>owning things in the 2030s
nice joke

I'm unironically thinking of upgrading my cintiq 24 pro to this

>>6296525
Niggas can just map the cintiq pro 24 to a 4k 144hz monitor. Same shit. No need to feed the goyims a cent.

>>6296706
How do you do bigger projects with a tablet tho?

>>6296721
>goyims
first of all goyim is already the plural of goy so no need for that "s".
Secondly "goyim/goy" is a slur for all non jews, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>6296726
Explain further. CSP is the same as the desktop version and Procreate has plenty of gestures.

>>6296732
like when I do client work I will have usually a million layers this combined with the usual size a project has will really fuck with the performance of my PC, I'm just wondering how a tablet is able to pull that off without shitting itself, like I could see doing the first steps of a drawing on a tablet but how would you be able to finish a piece

>>6296736
Tablets (especially the new ones) are powerful enough that developers are still unable to use the full power of the devices because the crooks at Apple want you to buy multiple devices.

>>6296736
they're not pulling it off, most people with tablets just simply don't work at a level that requires super high resolutions with tens of layers and those who do use tablets in the very early part of the workflow as they might use it for personal work

>>6296549
120hz makes a massive difference.

>>6296525
I've been waiting for Wacom to put out a 120hz tablet, but $3,500 dollars is absolutely fucking absurd. Beyond unreasonable.

Plus, 27" is just too big for most desks. I have a Cintiq 22"HD and that is as big as I'd ever want it. Though the bezel on my Cintiq is absolutely massive, so maybe the slimmer frame of this makes it equivalent in its size. Still, there's no way this is worth $3.5k.

>>6296736
lol you have a potato computer. That $3500 may as well be put on a new 7950x, 128gb ddr5 ram and a 4080 16gb graphics card.

>>6296525

>>6296812
I have 5950x/64gb/3090 and I still get performance issues when working with pieces that are meant for large real life promotion materials, I tried opening a file on my ipad pro out of curiosity and it just crashed instantly

besides 10k workstation shouldn't be a big expense as you can just write it off

t. not him

>>6296838
Do you know how taxes work? A write off just reduces taxes, you still have to pay 10k. For most people those taxes will only save you around $3k, that's still 7k of your own money spent

>>6296564
youre a transvestite arent you

>>6296866
in my country I can completely write off anything that gives me income from my overall yearly tax amount
ie. if I paid 50k in taxes this year, and I bought 10k workstation that I used to get that taxed income I just send a receipt to the IRS equivalent in my glorious EU country and they pay me the full amount once the next tax year starts

>>6296838
>I have 5950x/64gb/3090 and I still get performance issues when working with pieces that are meant for large real life promotion materials, I tried opening a file on my ipad pro out of curiosity and it just crashed instantly
This.
Anyone who actually does client work knows how resource intensive an art project can get, people who claim they do that shit with an tablet are probably larping.

>>6296525
>$3500
I'll just wait for the chinks to release their own in a year or so.

>>6297244
I'd buy one if someone buys my 4k 144hz monitor and cintiq 24 pro

>people complaining about price
do you guys not have art jobs?
tax write offs for your computer equipment?

>>6297249
>I'd buy one if someone buys my 4k 144hz monitor
I wouldn't give up one of those if I use it for vidya and movies.

>>6296543
So the only improvement announced so far to the stylus is that you can modify the grip? And they removed the eraser. That's pathetic.

>>6297264
Feel is everything. Given how technology has advanced its reasonable to believe that it could be better than the previous version.

The chinese hardware looks great if you are onlylooking at screen specs vs price, but a natual feeling pen is worth infinitely more than 140% srgb coverage or other nonsense.

>>6297339
wtf???

>>6296549
120hz is what made the ipad pro a hit for drawing

>>6296736
>>6296760
I've done 10kx8k in artstudio pro on a 2017 ipad pro, I only get issues if I try to play music through youtube in the background at the same time
not sure about csp, but asp is much better optimized than photoshop on pc and a better art program in general
the only real issue with an ipad pro is that the screen is both small and high pixel density, so you perceive the image in a very different way than someone viewing it on the average pc screen
the screen is juts better in general, I've had people tell me they can't see something that is very clearly visible on the ipad

>>6297000
The hell are you on about? Do you not see LITERAL mangaka on pixiv working on Ipads? Stop pretending to be a try hard.

>>6297443
he probably can't paint without 200 layers

>>6297339
I don't know what you mean about feel, but personally, all the competitors i tried just didn't feel as good in terms of accuracy and fluidity when it came to the pen (especially regarding shitty activation force), so in that sense Wacom is unmatched, aside from Apple Pencil, but that's only for mobile devices, nothing desktop.

I hate Wacom with all my heart, and it kills me that the competition is this sloppy where it matters, because i have to bend over and take it up the ass with their overpriced shit, just because the competition keeps using shit pen technology.

I have to say this was a couple of years back though, i'm not sure if someone caught up.

>>6296525
But I like my Wacom one

>>6296525
>$3500
I'll stick with my huion, thanks.

>>6297457
Stand sold separately for 500$, too.

They're a demonic company and i hope they burn in hell.
The 24hd came with a stand included, it's fucking absurd that they just sell these things in an unusable state, for 3500$.

Thank God i bought my 24HD used off of ebay for less than 1k, and it's lasted me almost 10 years so far.

>>6297508
just prop it up on your lap, jfc you zoomers complain about everything
I bet you can’t even draw without an oversized pen grip because your effeminate hand hurts

>>6297508

>>6296838
Bro I'm working in 3d with the whole game ready workflow and I get by with a 1700/32Gb ram/3090 (and I'm usually using multiple 4k texture sets made in substance painter), what kind of 2d files require that power except maybe batches of 100+ megapixel photography???

>>6296525
woopee, more high grade meat dangling on a string above that ill never have to even bother thinking of reaching
cant wait to watch rossdraws slowly scribble a line in a wavy zigzag motion across it

>>6297528
>just prop it up on your lap
it's like 16 fucking pounds my guy, and you'll absolutely demolish your neck/back.
>>6297508
Does it not have any sort of stand? The 24 at least had the useless little legs.

Anyone know the polling rates on this or any other modern Wacom product? Or are they still stuck at at like 125hz like 20 years ago?

>>6297576
wooooooooooow 16 pounds?? are you sure you’re ok holding up that stylus with just one hand?
maybe you should look into installing some sort of counterweight system above your desk to neutralize your arm weight, we don’t want you hurting yourself

>>6297595
You're such an unbelievable fucking faggot, holy shit
why do you spend your day trying to act superior with shit no one cares about on 4chan of all places? No on is impressed. You just come off as a loser.

27 is too small, I'll way for price drop or used 32s
Also no remote. Ew.

>>6297694
You want remote? That will be another $300. $700 if you want it to be wireless :)

>>6297699
Wei please

>>6297686
on god frfr nocap

>>6297528
>just prop it up on your lap
I had a 27inches cintiq, the old model, with no stand, these things weigh a ton and are massive, wtf are you talking about? Without some kind of mount they are unusable, especially if you draw more than 8 hours a day, and if you're using one, you most likely do.
>>6297531
I paid around 800$ and it came with the ergo stand that now they sellyou separately.
Even inflation doesn't justify that sshit, they're just cheap motherfuckers.

>>6297595
Post your work station anon, i bet you're some zoomer with a 13 or 16 incher, drawing fan art for a couple of hours after school.

>>6297936
Aren’t all zoomers of age now? What’s the label after them? (Yes, you’re that old now.)

>>6297939
alfies

>>6296536
>chinks
>much cheaper
no thanks

>>6296525
5200 euros. Id rather buy a car thanks

>>6298065
Why the fuck would you get 2 loupedecks?

>>6296525
>$3500
>400 nits peak brightness
fucking kek

>>6298080
>400 nits
>hdr
u wot

>$6000 cad after taxes+stand

what the fuck

>>6298179
Anon, people buy bikes which are that expensive because they take out equity from their house like any leaftard. Since zoomers are fucked by the real estate market there is nowhere else to turn to other than to flip burgers.

>>6298080
>120hz
>400 nits
>"all in"
There's obviously a lot to make a good drawing surface that also functions as a monitor, but display tablet specs are always so insanely shit compared to even budget normal monitors. You can pick up a 27" 240hz IPS display for like $200-300.

>>6298182
>people buy bikes which are that expensive
kek
this will never get old to me

>>6298275
makes me kind of want to go back to an intuos

>>6296572
>>6296564
High refresh rate is fucking amazing for everything, so long as the lcd pannel can actually transition pixels fast enough to really use it, there are 300~ hz monitors that while they refresh that fast, can only really do around 160hz transition rates, and even then, there is ghosting.

for anything with user input as a metric, say cellphone touch inputs as a common example, high refresh rates are orgasmic.

as for using it to really know, yea, you need to, especially if you have a 60hz side by side.I occasionally use a high refresh monitor and every time I go back to mine, it takes a few hours to not notice the lack of frame rate even on just desktop applications, but its something you get use to, a more common one you may have experience with is gaming, console to pc, where consoles were locked to 30 or less for a long time, but pc starts at 60, THAT is something that's fucking hard to go back to.

realistically for refresh rate, 90hz is where you get the most out of it, but 120 hz is a multiple of 24fps so thats why its commonly used, 144 again, another multiple of 24... it just makes video scale better with less issues if its a straight multiple.

>>6298277
Might as well buy a second pickup truck, a boat and a trailer while you are buying the 27 pro with your house money. Oh wait, you live with your patents or paying someone else's mortgage kek LOl lmao.

>>6298541
what?

>>6298275
A $300 IPS monitor does not have 10-bit argb coverage. Gamut is expensive and at 4K and 120hz it becomes ungodly expensive. The panel would cost $1500-$2000 as a standalone monitor, but almost nobody actually needs argb.

>>6297443
(Not him) but I never heard of mangakas/comic artist actually using an Ipad for their work, the only thing I know of is that they use their Ipads for non serious stuff to just have fun. Because working on a Ipad as your main device would nuke your back in a couple of years

>>6298766
$2000 is a fair price - a little more brightness would be nice but all drawing tablets lean towards dim for some reason - for this the extra $1500 and $500 stand is the wacuck markup.

>>6298782
not him, but your reading comprehension is shit. are you american or something lmao

$2000 monitor panel before custom hotkey setup, before custom enclosure, before digitizer put in, before all the QC required after putting all this junk together into one neat and tidy package

>all drawing tablets lean towards dim for some reason
maybe because nobody has worked this closely with the actual screen manufacturers until now and that's part of where all the fucking """""""""""""""markup""""""""""""" is
but you'd know a thing or two about being dim for some reason so whatever

>>6298766
serious question from a retard, how much does a wide gamut matter if no one else but professional artists have it? Like yeah your art will look more vibrant on your display, but not to anyone else. Even prints don't really benefit much. It seems like a useless pissing contest, kinda on par with levels of pressure sensitivity

>>6298787
> I have to believe your ass pull figures
No you're just a retard, the display is not that much directly from the factory, but it is a reasonable price for a commercial product. Ten bucks says all this is made by huion in six months. For around 2k and certainly not more than 2500.

Kys autistic cunt.

>>6298795
okay things are made for cheap and r&d costs nothing you're right sry plz don't be mad i love you welcome to costco i love you

l m a o

>>6298795
For instance apples literally superior 27" panel costs $1500.

>>6298796
Your > r&d is literally patents and monopoly pricing in this case, the panel changed not the underlying tech used.

>>6298798
nice fanfic where else can I read your work

>>6298795
>Ten bucks says all this is made by huion in six months.
it won't have the gimmicky worthless gamepad grip on the side, but the rest, yeah.

>>6298807
>>6298795
>a second rate tablet maker will bootleg this in six months
No doubt, and it'll be just as unbearable to actually draw on as every other tablet they've made. No clue how people use those things, do you not draw or something? Are your fingers numb?

>>6298812
> the feel of the Wacom is worth the $1000 surcharge
You're just proving my point retard, that these specs can be achieved for far less and Wacom abuses their ever dwindling advantage. You have a frightfully low IQ.

>>6298817
The feel of a Wacom tablet is worth anything they want to charge. If you can't tell the difference between them and any other tablet then be thankful that your incompetence lets you buy sub-par hardware.
It's like you think having options is a bad thing. What are you, a Republican?

>>6298819
> They can charge whatever they want
And now we are back to monopoly pricing. Again whatever point you originally had has vanished and you are just moving the goalpost to hide your own incompetence.

>>6298812
you haven't used one if you think this lmao
any artist that actually uses them says they're great.

>>6298793
If you are working on incredibly expensive print or VFX projects then it would be necessary but 99.9999% of people don't need it.

>>6298795
The chinese completely fuck the greens so they can say the panels are 120%+ SRGB (by area) but the red/blue aren't strong enough so when you calibrate they can't even pass an SRGB coverage test.

I would gladly take an SRGB cintiq for half the cost but I don't think wacom is interested in making one.

>>6298819
>The feel of a Wacom tablet is worth anything they want to charge
HAHAHAHA
holy fuck, fanboy mentality really is cancer
>What are you, a Republican?
oh, he's also a dumbfuck libtard lmfao
it all makes sense now.
>UNGHH, YES DADDY WACOM, FUCK MY WALLET HARDER!

>>6298834
wacom doesn't even pass srgb currently. Using a calibration tool, you get 98% srgb, 99% adobe rgb
on a huion 22 plus (haven't looked at the 24 4k) you can get 94% srgb, 95% adobe rgb

>>6298830
>here's my fanfic
k
>>6298829
What goalpost? That Wacom is able to charge whatever they feel is appropriate for their tech (which, yes, will undoubtedly be poorly bootlegged by their competitors within the next year) and there are working professionals that will pay for it regardless of how high the price is?
>>6298836
I didn't realize that having a preference for what is the best of a specific type of hardware at the moment was equivalent to being a fanboy, but okay.

>I'll wait over the current shit generation to finally upgrade my aging 22HD
>€4600 with stand in my country.

Would have been willing to pay up to 3k for this, but well over 4k with the stand is just way too overkill.
No way in hell is any hobbyist or self employed person buying this, especially in the current economic environment.
Feels like Wacom decided to say fuck it to the consumer market because Chinks are increasingly owning it and decided to just focus on enterprise setting, because those guys will buy anything for any price.
Little do these marketing idiots realize that when the Chink product has been deemed good enough by former hardline Wacom users that are going to be dropping the brand due to pricing, the alternative will increasingly make their way to business world next while being +50% cheaper and Wacom can't exactly start walking back the price 2k to gain that market back.

>>6298879
>Little do these marketing idiots realize that when the Chink product has been deemed good enough by former hardline Wacom users

No it hasn't :^)
Waiting for the stand to actually be available up in this country before I buy one, shit looks pretty sick from the early reviews.

>>6298855
There's virtually no difference in use between a huion and wacom product at this point. A lot of professional artists are switching over to Chinese brands because wacom products just aren't worth 2-3x the cost. Why pay $2500 for a cintiq 24 (plus proprietary stand) when you can get a huion 24 4k for 1/2 the price and get 95% of the experience?
The only reasons at this point to buy wacom are if you're absolutely pissing money, or your job buys one for you.
Or I guess a 3rd option, wacom ceo's cum is your lifeblood and you can't live without supporting the 50 billion dollar company.

>>6298887

The keyword there being "when" So far people like me have stuck with Wacom despite the premium because it's been tolerable.
I don't fancy using some Chinky product but next upgrade will simply have to be one.
This isn't a question of them maybe forcing out their customer base, it is inevitable. There's simply no way for a whole lot of folks to get this product line due to the pricing and many people like me who can afford it simply won't get it.
I like Wacom and I'm willing to pay a premium, but they went full retard with this one.

>>6298887
Do you want me to go find the numerous professionals saying huion is as good, and the ones that use them as their daily drivers?

>>6298889
Are you lying, have no sense of touch, or are reading and watching shitty reviewers that spend more time editing their footage than they do actually drawing?
The difference is astrofuckingnomically different if you have any actual care about how natural your drawing tablet feels.

Again, just be thankful you're insurmountable incompetence lets you be happy with second rate bootlegged hardware and stop acting like Wacom doesn't have value for us that actually care about how natural drawing digitally feels.

>>6298893
Post your work :)
I guarantee artists like ergo Josh and tb choi are better than you

Think wacumguzzler will post his work that's superior to this?

>>6298900
>posting blender work in a thread about drawing
and THIS is the kind of stupid shit a HUION fanboy does lmao

might as well be like the retarded people that only paint their d20 mechwarrior figures and think that their opinion on color theory is important L M F A O

>>6298904
Waiting for you to post your work that's better than tb choi or ergo Josh as two easy examples

>>6298906
>can't even post their own work
>has to post two literally-whos that they look up to

sad, many such cases

if you can't paint better than td bank or ergo jock I don't know why you think I should care about what you think

>>6298909
Because my work isn't profession
Their is, and they both have said huion are as good as wacom
Where's your work?

>>6298912
I can only envy someone as small brained as you. Life must seem so simple.

>>6298912
Professional*
Their's

>>6298912
if your work isn't professional why are you trusting yourself to know that these shitty artists are any good and trustworthy
their shit sucks, man
next thing you'll be saying that Jazza is a good artist or some retarded shit

>>6298892
nigga one of those chinese brands even contacted ME on twitter to shill their tablet for free shit, don't trust these people.

>>6298915
Not seeing any work from you, how very weird? You should be able to post any piece from your portfolio and absolutely demolish any argument I have by merit of your work alone. Surely someone with such a refined touch as yours is superior to industry professionals.

>>6298918
Considering a multi billion dollar industry thinks their work is good enough to hire them, that speaks to their skill. Waiting for you to post work better than jazza even.
>>6298920
Sure they did

>>6298921
When all you have to cling to is your shitty idols and your fallacies, I'm not sure why you expect anyone to give an ounce of care about what you think. You're clearly an idiot.

>>6298925
Post
Your
Work

>Huion apologists thing TB Chop Suey, Jazza and Ilya are good role models and are trustworthy

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP LMFAOMOOOOOOO

>wacumguzzler can't even post work better than jazza
>but will happily give them $4000+tax+tip
Can't make this up

Call me crazy but my Cintiq 22 (the 2018 or was it 2019 model) is absolutely more than enough for all the shit I've been doing for over a year now, I have no idea where a huge ass Pro would convince me for a purchase
As many others I already have a nice gaming/multipurpose 1440p monitor so colors are a non issue

>>6298945
You're not being a very good consoomer. Don't you know you need the latest and greatest or you'll never be able to draw anything of worth?

>>6298931
>he says without posting his work

>>6298964
I'm not the one claiming there's a massive different between huion and wacom now. Burden of proof is on you, retard. Post work better than professionals that either use or endorse huion or shut the fuck up. Simple as.

>>6296525
gimme the sparknotes. what did they add to it?

>>6298977
Better quality screen (better color, 120 hz, 400 nits brightness)
Vesa mount holes
More ergo shortcut buttons
I think that's basically it.

>>6298971
>still no work posted
all these WORDS
PYW

You have to post your work to be taken seriously.
But I don't.
Sweetie, don't you know how my fallacies work :3 pyw

>>6298900
>Thinks yan is good
I giggle

>>6298275
i remember when cintiqs first came out and someone cobbled one together with an old wacom and a screen they dismantled.

>>6298984
>Vesa mount holes
I like how this is a mention in the list of improvements as if it shouldn't have been there in every iteration of Cintiq in the first place.

>>6299069
I think anyone who has seen this type of work first hand without knowing how to do it themselves find it impressive. The more you chip away, the more it comes to a point where you see the work as nothing special when really all you did was move the goalpost further. You could say Yan is but a stepping stone to the even better artists like you see in artstation or twitter.

>>6296525
Sorry Wacom, I'm screenless for life. Bad experience with my first Cintiq and I don't see enough changes to make me try it again