/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Is composition in AI art completely random?

>>6286892
Artist sauce?

>>6286892
>Pic unrelated

y'all can't actually be making an AI general. wtf has this site become.

>>6286999
/trad/ is all that’s left

I just started getting good at art...

>>6286892
While the artist in me is worried, the comp scientist in me is excited about the future. Imagine a couple decades from now where arts can be generated in milliseconds. Imagine the future of animation and of gaming. Imagine putting on a vr glasses and just say to the computer what scenario to generate, like in a Star Trek holodeck.

Ngl, seeing make new themed pokemon is scary. I though it wouldn't be able to do it so soon. 2d stylized stuff was meant to be safe! Hold that thought, I gotta go poo in the street.

>>6287017
>imagine all the things i can consume
Imagine having the brain of a literal pig

>>6287017
Can AI make me a burrito? Then I DONT GIVE A FUCK

>>6287017
Remember self-driving cars?

>>6287023
Careful with your words anon, AI may one day make YOU, a burrito. Onions green burrito.

>>6287017
I get that now just by closing my eyes, what do you need all the tech for?

AI brushes in photoshop, krita or clip studio will be useful, and we will be dumb as fuck not to utilize it in our favor.

I am happy that content aware fill finally works after more than a decade.

I don't care about prompting collages and have no desire to use it in that way.

where the fuck are MODS jerking their dicks off? furry was just a distraction...

>>6287034

>>6287017
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
Good luck.

Is this general the one for posting 3DPD SD art?

>>6287051
Munster

>>6287051
no, it's just an ordinary thread everyone comes to mock ai faggots and see how big cope they are

>>6287066
oh no, this board isn't one of those "salty artists who feel hopelessly mogged by AI but also think it's shit compared to them" boards is it? /gd/ has been like this for months.

>>6287066
Cope and seethe harder "artist". Your literally worthless now

>>6287072
Learn to spell, seetharaman.

>>6287017
> *pomf*
> "What are we gonna do in the holodeck Anon?"

>>6287068
>>6287072

>>6287066
>tech enthusiasts enjoy their new technology and marvel at its creations
>artists: YOU'RE COPING SO HARD OMG SEETHE AAAAAA
hmm

>>6287066
aifags have no pretensions as artists, you can't hurt us like you can hurt artists, we just want to see some nice pics. Our problem is there's no board that really suits the variety of things we want to post.

>>6287078
Find you a plastic surgeon who can perform miracles.

>>6287081
Fuck off to reddit then.

>>6287081
>'s no board that really suits the variety of things we want to post
you mean you get btfoed from every section because you are shills? That's not a surprise at all

>>6287081
>aifags have no pretensions as artists
>needs to pass off real art as AI art to even get the thread started.

>>6287068
I was ready salted long before AI popped up

>>6287095
He found the poo. Now put it in the loo

Can any of you artists draw a cool image of a red head with a big ass in less than a minute? That's what I thought.

>beautiful girl, pale_skin, red_hair, long_hair, huge_ass, wide_hips, small_waist, from_below, from_behind, naked, far_away, solar system
>Negative prompt: (((ugly))), old, penis, man, flat ass
>Steps: 49, Sampler: LMS, CFG scale: 15, Seed: 189054475, Size: 512x768

>>6287084
I'm not gonna do that, but I guess I'll leave /ic/ so you can despair in peace. Btw I show AI stuff to an artist friend of mine (an actual artist who has her works in vernissages and people who buy art from her) and she finds it inspiring. Maybe you should be inspired too, maybe AI can be an endless font of inspiration for real art, it can do half of the job for you by showing you what you can do.

>>6287085
Right now I post mostly on the /h/ general, but I haven't posted a single thing that qualifies as hentai and I'm not gonna start, so that's a rather awkward fit.

>>6287086
lmao, just noticed, fucking OP...

>>6286896
Anyone? The only AI tools I know that more or less allow for visual composing are img2img and that one japanese 3d thing. Are the compositions in prompt-based AI tools completely random?

>>6287099
Why would I want to deprive myself of the process? I can draw her in a couple of hours, with beautiful feet too.

>>6287100
I get my inspiration from life. You wouldn't understand.

>>6287080
>Tech enthusiasts on an art board
Hmm

is anyone here gonna post cool AI images they made in 5 minutes? This whole thread has like 3 ai images.
get on with it if its so fast...

>>6287111
I don't have any taste, I just prompt random shit until something looks correct enough to post. It's a hard process, but one must suffer for their art.

>>6287103
It's not completely random, as a matter of fact it's deterministic, for example if you keep the same seed but alter the text prompt you start from the same initial noise allowing some degree of control. In theory it would be possible to build tools that allow editing the composition using just the text prompt.

>>6286892
The retard general

>>6287125
>t. "artist"

>>6287002
If you're not doing pinup you're safe... for now.

>>6287100
>Btw I show AI stuff to an artist friend of mine (an actual artist who has her works in vernissages and people who buy art from her) and she finds it inspiring.
Cool, now spam her like you spam every board on 4chan, and let's see how long she'll find it "inspiring." The tool is incredible, but you fucking normies ran its reputation to the ground in less than a month.

>>6287123
I feel like prompting ultimately benefits no one but codemonkeys. If they're going to implement AI tools into the most visual medium they really ought to make the tools, y'know, visual.

>>6287139
Prompting is mostly there to attract inverstors.

>>6287111

>>6287136

>>6287022
Art is also something you consume, retard.

>>6287145
Nevermind.

>>6287143
>neoPicassocubism
Brave and artsy. Yet complex and simble ass.

>>6287139
>>6287141
Its what i have been saying for some time now.

The idea that you can prompt a random image from a scrapped database is shit and will never replace artists, that kind of image is literally worthless, but the tech behind it is useful.

Now artists should take it from here and build tools that aid in drawing using the tech in ai, instead of making a plagiariam software that cheapens their work, actually giving value to its use, where you can put colors, composition, detail hierarchy, storytelling, Anatomy and all that shit that takes 20 years to learn to good use.

>>6287148
The problem isnt the consumption the problem is faggots like you would burn the entire fucking planet if it ment you get to keep consuming retard none of you tech fags or pajeets actually give a shit about anything or anyone but yourselves so anything and anyone can be turned to paste on the alter of false progress so long as you get to pretend the you and your favorite billionare get to be le epic in space n shieeet and by all syfy, anything goes

what a time to be alive

>>6287202
The 5b laion dataset has literal pics of russian Cofee Pea in it, the thread exposing them got nuked last week kek. Eventually this will come to bite the researchers back in the ass

>>6286892
standard prompt generation is shit and boring, the real shit is img2img and no one in /g/ can make it properly and just a few guys from /h/ had just a few examples.
That's the real shit, that's the real power up of artists, so develop knowledge in that and you are in the future. Just generate text to image prompts result in common places because guess what, all the people that are doing it know nothing about basic art and that's why you find groups of common images that just stick to the same visual aspects.

Some actual useful things that i've found with ai generation:
>img2img to refine or speed up the painting
>img2img from a sketch to make it "generic"
>text2img to make backgrounds in pin-up drawings

you could said, "wait, you should i want to make my sketch generic", the thing is that if you put a sketch with a certain level of work, in img2img the ai can finish and refine a lot of parts so it can "correct" some things, like heads, but at the cost that it will look like your generic anime because the ai goes to a common place based on the artists. I had some examples of what i mean, but i need some time to upload them, is very simple to understand anyway

>>6287139
Depends on what the end goal is, if you are trying to completely automate the process then the visual element is irrelevant, otherwise I agree.

>>6287035
How the fuck are AI brushes supposed to work if all they can do is more autofill

>>6287216
Img2img will be running in real time embedded in our drawing softwares in a fraction of a decade.

Time to techiniques on how to incorporate in our workflows.

I've been doing some tests to make it speedup rendering clothing and metals, but the peocess is shit, literally too much trial error and messing with parameters and waiting for generation.

Once it generates what you like, cut it and photobash on your canvas, draw the rest of your shit on your style with all your mistakes and artist soul as the medium allows it.

>>6287216
pyp&pyg

>>6287230
I said in the other thread, material brushes that don't rely just on color and value, but physical characteristics like roughness, transmission and metalicity, and react to lighting in real time.

>>6287242
3d honeyselect textures already exist though doe

>>6286892
I can't believe AI niggas forget we have Google image search now

>>6287275
Not everything needs to be coom

>>6287216
for knowledge purposes there is no point in testing the model in your own work only, because you encapsulate the final images to your particular style, and you can't know the flexibility of the models. Because of that i made tests to prove the point of the sketch part, and as i said, you can indeed make a fast improve of the sketch in seconds, but at the cost of the input of the prompt, that's why it's efficient to use it as a reference tool only, because, as i said, the styles generate common places that have or generic anime, or the western comics style, in terms of faces, you can't go to other places and that's when the ai fail to help to styles that deviate from those parameters, like for example any cartoon style with a defined symbol drawing technique, unless you are directly copying the style of an already well-known artist/style

>>6287236
i'm 100% with that, img2img is gonna at the base of the workflow speeding up the painting and correcting styles in terms of anatomy, or at least it will be like that in the core because that is the most direct thing we can think of right now, who knows what things people will do in the future. But at the moment is very inflexible yes.

>>6287311

>>6287313

>>6287313
Why would anyone destroy their style like this

>>6287215
IT'S FOR NON-PROFIT SER, TRAINING AI ON CP IS LEGAL IF I DO IT FOR EDUCATION YOU BLOODY BITCH BASTERD

>>6287315

>>6287311
The lack of any consistency makes this nearly worthless for workflow uses though, if you use this to touch up the sketch your style will suffer due to unconsciously tracing the final art from ever-differing noses and eyes and never settling like the two lips from the lower pics. A solid character base like koikatsu is still the industry standard for anime tracing

>>6287330
>>6287319
for no reason, that's what i said, this models are good for generic shit but not for partiular individual styles that merge different styles in different amounts, ai can't recognize that because the models are based in datasets that work with several images to go to this "common places" of styles.

On the other hand, the development that has a really interesting value is the textual inversion, because with textual inversion the model takes a couple of inputs and generate a "style" that can be replicate in other inputs, so with a lot of work in that, in the future could be the scenario where one can input their own individual style as input and replicate it in future works, speeding up the process immensely

Aren't we going to run out of storage for all these images?

>>6287099
I know you can't.

>>6287341
>in the future could be the scenario where one can input their own individual style as input and replicate it in future works, speeding up the process immensely
If or when this happens, anyone will be able to put ANYONE's style/voice/writing/game in the machine for it to replicate infinitely. Sounds like digital post-scarcity communist hivemind while irl the original content creators work in mcdonalds

>>6287333
for tracing what, poses? anime faces and clothes? is not the standard at all no one use that, just your average koikatsu fag that prefer making porn with the actual engine instead of using it as reference. Because if you are talking about "standard" then is more valid to said that, i dont know, the 3d models of CSP are by fair more used that the ones of koikatsu, that doesn't even need to be debated because it's almost a fact, an actual debate could be... people using blender models more than koikatsu, and in that case i strongly argue that people even use more Blender for reference rather than koikatsu. Those hentai engines are just a niche, even Design Doll is more commented here

I'm going back to school at 28 because of this fucking piece of shit tech. I'm going into architecture just to spite you fa/g//g/ots. I will NEVER be an engineer. I will NEVER BE A COMPUTER SCIENTIST. FUCK YOU

>>6287341
I can't see your ideas working out honestly.
What needs to be done is find a way to do away with prompts and use the tech to build a tool to speed up rendering or coloring in general.

See? It's already starting to get better at drawing.

>>6286892
>ai general
so all the other threads can get deleted now right

>>6287355
yeah, but is a real scenario, because the models can make in fact different poses but the lack in correct/refined datasets is what defines the outputs, you can find awesome good looking images but only in pinup standard poses and just a few other things like lying positions, but zero real two point perspective, just common angles, i think that is because of the lack of refined models.
The styles could apply that in more refined models that make people in multiple positions, because at the moment nothing stop you to be an sakimichan clone for example, since the models can make those kind of styles without much work

>>6287363
proud of the AI for being brave enough to not hide hands

>>6287363
*drawing hands

>>6287366
>>6287341
>in the future could be the scenario where one can input their own individual style as input and replicate it in future works, speeding up the process immensely
It is already happening. Someone finetuned the general stable diffusion model to specifically generate pokemon art. It cost him just ten bucks on rented cloud hardware. Another person finetuned the model to produce art of their favorite vtuber.

>>6287371
Someone should use this to genwunnify all pokemon from later gens. That's the only good use of this technology.

>>6287365
Generating art through diffusion has way too many artifacts and that why AI is so easy to spot.
Also art has way too much variance to be encapsuleted in models, you'd need models specialized in specific things to draw them, but they would lack stuff from the main model and making the model bigger would increase the artifacts even more. It a hard problem to solve.

>>6287371
>2022 The Great AI Shitflood

I have never seen a human paint anything this beautiful.

>>6287371
It's really over isn't it, hopefully AI won't learn how to code

>>6287380
I hope it does and puts all the ni/g/gers out of work

>>6287371
The only decent ones to look at look like they were photobashed.
This shit is pointless in the creative process on one style, because it will only lead you ti draw the samething over and over

Looks like the shillbots are back again. Shame.

>>6287382
Hopefully there will be enough trades and bullshit jobs to go around if it does.

>>6287378
wheres the rest of it

>>6287378
>hurr it's so beautiful bros it's a girl with big tits and she's sexy and she's wearing latex!!!!
i fucking hate coombrained faggots so fucking much

lmao they should change the /ic/ captcha to "choose art drawn by humans" from a grid of images and watch everybody seethe because they can't post anymore

off topic thread. Correct board for this is /trash/

>>6287378
Anon explores the wonders of being blind.

>>6286892
What's the difference between this and the /g/ thread? Genuine question.

>>6287398
Sure because it's soooo hard to identify human brushstrokes from AI noise
>inb4 heh but can you discern which is AI and which is human between these two blurry surrealist pics? >:)

>>6287418
invasion
just like rusniggers
just like /tg/ towergirls
just like /g/ tablet generals

>>6287412
>dunningkruger toss

>>6287378
It's so strange, the AI paints figures like an awkward beginner that autistically has the figure looking at a random corner in space and hiding hands. It's eerie to compare the similarities because it's almost as if the AI is trying to be human.

>>6287072
Says the prompter. ANYONE can do what you do. None of you can do what we do. You're not even on the same level as a /beg/. Take you copium elsewhere bugman.

Reposting

>>6287435
Sir, this is the AI art general.

>>6287436
Yes.

>>6287437
Your crude scribblings made with a shaky human hand do not count as AI art.

>>>/v/612873932
>>>/v/612874014
You heard it here first artcels. Promptsmithing is a skill one must learn. Devising prompts, fine tuning every bit, crafting them from start to end and testing the parameters are all part of the master skill Prompt Engineers are mastering the craft.
You don't have what it takes to prompt because you are stuck in the past with rocks while we use technology to improve ourselves and be superior to you in every way

>>6287412
img2img is by far one of the most powerful tools in the AI art arsenal. I don't think people fully appreciate just how revolutionary and the potential for in painting/masking AI art is.
Chad AI art

>>6287017
congrats on being at the same level as a redditor

>>6287475
>Promptsmithing is a skill one must learn.
It's easier to draw. Real chads prompt once and paint/draw over it to give it soul.
Do you not realize, as much as you all feel the need to come to an art board to bash actual artists, that the AI itself has to learn from actual humans? You lack the skill to to create, so you'll never have the talent to train any of these deranged regurgitators. You'll try to put yourself on our level while scraping for new art to inject into the system because your TittyElesas are beginning to look like clones and still can't pose themselves the way you'd like.
This will eventually loop back around, and the inbreeding will become more apparent. You'll generate thousands of pictures within seconds that will never feel right to anyone no matter how much inpainting and prompt"crafting" you do.
It's fine if you want to do this for yourself; but don't come here thinking you'll ever be accepted as a creator. And don't bite the hands that have unwittingly fed your AI.

Imagine being worried about losing your shit paying art commissions when we can all soon live in virtual paradises while AI does all the hard work for us. In ten years, the concept of 'job' will disappear because AI does everything for us. I never thought the art people would be this short-sighted and reactionary.

>>6287625
Are you retarded? There’s labour shortages in every country on earth right now, the AI will just produce goyslop for us to cons000m in our 3 mandated hours of free time in between finishing our shift cleaning up boomer diapers at the local old peoples home and going to sleep before another day of labour

>>6287625
yeah and metaverse will be profitable.

>>6287625
bugman

>>6286892
this thread so far is an excellent example of how the aifags don't actually want to make art as much as they want to jerk each other off and argue with real artists

>>6287643
Strongly disagree and honestly AI generated images/critiques should not be posted on the /sdg/ on /g/ unless its for debuging/issue resolving.

>>6287648
Also jannies here really need to start laying down the law on shitposting from both sides of the debate, but they clearly don't because they are trannies.

>>6287648
wtf are you even supposed to critique kek, "oh the AI made the hands fucked up", ?????

>>6287610
Yes, I'm sure reddit is the only place that knows of Star Trek.

>>6287066
Maybe you should learn to code, obsolete artist. Go to one of the coal miners' coding bootcamps.

I don't see AI art replacing actual artists anytime soon, but I do see it being heavily used in concept explorations and reference art for artists and creators, especially ones with less resources/budget

anyway, post art you hacks

does that schizo that whines about AI art on /v/ hang out in here? what's your problem bro?

>>6287661
it is an amazing tool that is a lot of fun to use

>>6287661
i think people who aren't afraid of AI are very short sighted, it is essentially google image search on steroids, if companies and clients could get away with just using random shit they find on google image search instead of paying people they would. since that is breech of copyright, people are forced to go out and give a bunch of refs to an artist and get them to create something new. AI essentially fills that gap, all while destroying the value of copyright in the first place, since anything you innovate can immediately be fed back in the machine for emad and the pajeetsquad to profit from

>>6287669
i didnt ask for your schizo rant

Getty and Shutterstock just banned AI pictures over copyright concern from CEOs
>The world’s largest repository of images shared with PetaPixel the note sent to contributors stating that images generated from artificially intelligent (AI) image generators such as Stable Diffusion, DALL-E, and Midjourney will not be allowed on the site.

>“There are open questions with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and there are unaddressed rights issues with respect to the underlying imagery and metadata used to train these models,” the company says.
>“These changes do not prevent the submission of 3D renders and do not impact the use of digital editing tools (e.g., Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.) with respect to modifying and creating imagery.”

>Elaborating further, Getty Images CEO Craig Peters tells The Verge that the legal uncertainty that surround AI-images prompted the behemoth into action.
>“There are real concerns with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and unaddressed rights issues with respect to the imagery, the image metadata and those individuals contained within the imagery,” says Peters.

>>6287669
i have literally never seen anyone who draws call this shit a tool lmao

>>6287669
Emad's team said the idea of copyright and intellectual property is outdated. They quite literally want to outsource your brain to their AI

>>6287684
>>6287666
i've literally never seen any actual artist call this shit a tool, just bystanders who think its fun to mess around with in their spare time
>>6287698
yep, roll over artists, we're drinking your and everybody else's milkshakes, give us all your creativity and copyright so we can make you all redundant and profit from u it's democratising art!!!!!!!!

>>6287435
What's the motivation behind posting an image that is obviously not done by AI?
There's enough genuine suifuel if you go looking for it.

I think... i-i t-think AI a-a-art is... is...

check out my rainbow mountain :D this shit is so fun

>>6287726
disgusting :D

this ai stuff is pretty neat

>>6287730
no THIS is disgusting >_O haha can i see the stuff you make i'd love to get some inspiration for my pieces!

>>6287745
i'm keeping my work offline lest it be consumed by the algorithm.

>>6286892
Comic artists/writers are still safe since AI's don't have human souls and cannot create anything that reflects human nature, problems, and life.

I cannot imagine an AI making a comic book with great composition, gesture, character, and story. All they can really do is make lifeless compositions based on a library of images.

>>6287759
>he says completely confidently and totally not shaking at the thought that in a couple years even 5 year olds will be creating better art than him

Winana expresses my joy at the coming of text-to-image technology.

>>6287378
>who is Hgjart

>>6287737
sloppy shit, even on grass. really yellow, ugly land.

>>6287766
cute :3

>>6287182

It's all about money. That's all they care about. What's the easiest way to get money of some monkey who've always dreamt about being an artist.

Who gives a shit what it will do the art world and the freelance artist. It's money money money...

At least artist who's working with big companies is somewhat protected... For now.

I was messing around with different artist doing Venice and then randomly got this wonky piece. That's my favorite thing about this so far, when the A.I. just shits itself and makes something way off base.

>>6287216

Fun toy but not the future. It's a crutch and artist who are still learning will only hurt their progress in the long term by relying on it.

>>6287769
unfortunately those are male feet

>>6287779
isn't that what you guys are so mad about though? that you'll be replaced by this thing and you'll no longer have any chance to be rewarded with attention or money for your art?

>>6287785
Okay, and why would you happen to be inspecting how her feet look... hmm?

>>6287785
They are a bit chonky, but she does climbs trees all day barefoot.

>>6287786
Nah, the complete automation and utter disruption of human expression goes deeper than a consoomer's hindsight that people back in the day painted in caves for money and attention

>>6287763
Show me any progress in AI creating compelling stories. Shit will never happen. If it ever gets close to that it will need human intervention. At best, AI will just produce ideas but not full fledged comics lol.

>>6287813
Cont.
I'm afraid you will only realize the consequences of AI when you find yourself replying to a bot

>>6287770
It looks great, and it’s not AI you idiot.
https://www.ballpitmag.com/portfolio/sseongryul

lmao I love this thing

>>6287737
>>6287819
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAAHAH /IC/FAGS BTFO HAHAAHA

>>6287819
>>6287825
S.loppy S.hit, E.ven O.n G.rass. R.eally Y.ellow, U.gly L.and.
sseongryul

>>6287825
You got baited

>>6287829
YOU MAD MAN. YOU TRICKED ME INTO THINKING YOU'RE RETARDED

Is this real putler
Or fake putler?

If you can't answer then AI threads are allowed

>>6287834
I was only playing your retarded game you set up. (if it was you who posted real art as AI art)

>>6287836
Too tall to be putin. I think it's his brother putiin

>>6287837
wasn't me (im the HAHAHAHA guy) but fair enough. he was being a little devious scamp himself.

>>6287836
hard to say friend

You literally have a thread on /g/ already. Can you please just stay there?

>>6287836
REAL LIFE BROS???? WE'RE GETTING REPLACED, ITS FUCKING OVER, CATS OUT OF THE FUCKING BAG

>>6287861
How can I tell if someone I meet irl is real or AI now? wtf? this is end times shit.

>>6287862
you IDIOT you just replied to an A.I.

>>6287863
And you too.
sent from my iPad

What are upper middle class/rich people going to do if they can't sell art in their uncle's gallery??? BAN THIS SHIT

Someone just AI photobashed my portrait into multiple angles of a brony convention. This is not me. I repeat THIS IS NOT ME

>>6287824
kek

I tried using the local install for CPU and get this error everytime. Anyone knows how to fix it? It runs for 1 second, generates nothing and finishes. Doesn't let me view it and doesn't save anything.

>>6287779
Not happening.

Don't see consumers paying for AI generated works instead of things done by artists.

People are hardwired to prefer the real thing.

>The Author’s Guild v. Google case has set an important precedent for the use of copyrighted material in the training of machine learning algorithms. The court ruled that the use of copyrighted material in the training of a discriminative algorithm, such as a search algorithm, is fair use and does not infringe upon the copyright of the original material. The court also ruled that the use of copyrighted material in the training of a generative algorithm has precedent on its side in any future legal challenge. This means that creators that use AI-assisted-creation, and machine learning models to generate their content can do so without fear of infringing on the copyright of the original material.

>sir shutterstock our AI art very original and secure does not infringe on the orignal copyright there's not a single living artist in our dataset so please do not rede --- ACK

arti ficial intelligence here, ama

>>6288015
How many times is it acceptable for me to masterbate in a day

>>6288004
>straight up lifts posts from reddit
>misunderstands what the original court case was about
So is this the power of AI retards?

Having all the fun I can, the troons are going to burn it all down....

>>6287418
The /g/ thread doesn't belong there. It's no longer about discussing the tech, it's about dumping art for (You)'s and some feedback. That's what this board is for.

>>6287769
He's added to my list of prompts, that's who (once there are models that include him).

>>6288108
A tiktoker with a filter style slapped on... so this is the revolutionary power of AI...

>>6288110
damn... AI is finished...

>>6288108
>but Sebastian 8 fingers

>thanks to AI I have an INFINITE supply of cute wolf girls

life is complete :)

>>6288126
So much to consume... now i can generate wolf girls until i the (sad) day i stop consuming and it will be wholesome

i'll never be able to look at the contemporary "art" people "paint" on their computers the same way after discovering this. knowing that I could create something better in minutes based on the styles and vision of the greats just kills their work for me.

wtf, as a /g/tard I FUCKING HATE ART FAGS.

YOU FAGGOT ARTISTS WILL BE HOMELESS IN 5 YEARS

Can i post my pixie cut creations here? /g/ getting nuked

>>6288139
life.
is.
good.

Hello /ic/, I'm trying to make intentionally derivative and bad art. Do you have any recommendations on how I can make it even more repulsive than it currently is?

>>6288154
Ad MS paint to your prompt

>tfw 9 followers in pixiv

>>6288148
What did you do to get nuked on /g/?
That board has terrible moderation.

>>6288159
some guy is posting boderline glowie bait with the AI. he'll get it taken from all of us. A few threads have been zapped

>>6288156
My concern is that MS Paint has a kind of charming side in how pedestrian it is. Haven't we all at some point in our lives used Paint to quickly make some fun little thing? I don't have any antipathy towards it.

Geralt...i..

>>6288162
Someone figured out you can get the threads consistently nuked by posting jailbait.

>>6288162
finally the downfall of Ai is coming. i'm looking forward to the mass purge of Ai from every mainstream social media site. took long enough.

>>6288164
is this a t2i2i mashup? gerald's glove has the streaky t2i artifact but the faces look like i2i.

>>6288163
i've gotten some terrible stuff by trying to force really novel situations with pop culture characters into some classier older artist' style. also 3d render/3dcg of course is reliable for that as well.

>>6288173
What you've got there IS stinky, but it doesn't have the iconic reproducibility of an artist's style. In other words, I'm trying to make bad art, not just bad images.

>>6288143
>>6288148
>>6288151
>>6288154
>>6288158
>>6288162
>>6288163
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>>6288171
>>6288173
pajeet seethe level: 10

>>6288177
anon im white

>>6288175
> i am doing something
> by looking at something doing it for me

>>6288181
so why do you larp as pajeet posting shill threads, kys

reminder NOT to reply to pajeet-schizo. he's mentally unstable and unable to be reasoned with.

>>6288183
I don't mind if you're having a tantrum about the whole thing, really it's up to you to progress through the stages of grief on your own. There's an esoteric art to designing a prompt to produce exactly what you want, the same way that someone can't tell you what you would need to know in order to ride a bicycle. The AI is a very powerful tool, but it's still just a tool. If you think what I'm doing is so simple, feel free to post shitbobs. I don't believe that you can.

>>6288184
anon i like ai art

>>6288191
Forgot my shitbob

>shitposting levels are getting so bad shitposters are arguing with each other
We are reaching critical mass

>>6288194
It's the same schizo that posts in every /v/ SD thread. Funny how he never touches the /g/ general.

>>6288195
the prompt begging ic seether and 20 people fighting each other over what they think is cp are bad enough. pajeet schizo would be a drop in the bucket

>>6288198
Can't wait until we get a fucking /ai/ board, that /g/ thread is insufferable now.

>>6288195
I'm pretty sure he also the guy who spams /g/ with threads about Art 2.0, how the 4090 is a AI card and posts the same graph in every thread.
And when you call him out he just calls you a pajeet schizo.

new turtle chapter of space marines

>>6288199
Yeah I agree, unfortunately what makes the AI so addictive to play with and refine your skills at using (the fact it's so powerful) also scares the shit out of people and makes them seethe. I don't really blame them. They just don't contribute to the fun atmosphere of what I'm doing, whether I'm currently trying to make good prompts or bad ones.

>>6288203
fun pic. dont forget that you can add "text" to your negatives at no cost if you're making an intentionally messy and chaotic image

>>6288162
Damn, it would be a shame if glowie bait was posted in this AI /trash/ dump thread too...

>>6288205
Cool idea dude, see you on the other threads here at /ic/!

>>6288204
thanks ill try that. I should be trying to learn how the AI works but i've been having too much fun creating random shit.

>>6286892
Still can’t do creatures or humans in dynamic poses interacting with other subjects. Notice how every pic is just literally a girl just standing there

>>6288211
You're right. It cannot create art and never will. Screenshot this.

>>6288214
>Screenshot this.
so dramatic
you guys are just hindering yourselves by not recognizing a new tool
it doesn't have to be perfect to be useful, and it is improving

>noooo it makes things too easy nooo stop it's supposed to be hard and take forever

>>6288216
the issue is that it takes every creative work that has been or will be made and turns it into a katamari ball of IP
what value does art have in that kind of situation lol

>>6288214
I am right that it can’t do subjects interacting in a dynamic way. Correct.

>IP counter hasn't gone up since forever
Can the mods do their fucking job?

>>6288221
personally i don't care about that, but if you have issues with IP then fair enough
that's a different conversation to "ai is shit and will never produce anything of value" though

>>6288221
It will never give you an image copied from another image because the model doesn't contain those images. It creates something inspired by having trained on those images, but it's not just reproducing them.

>>6288234
See the Bloodborne debacle. It’s close enough to the same thincg

>>6288235
>the Bloodborne debacle
I haven't heard about that.
>DMT KM

>>6288235
Part of the reason why the model is currently returning copyright-infringing pictures is because people are creating only very small images with it, which end up containing less nodes for the AI to work on. A bigger image made with better prompts synthesizes more different styles and methods.

>>6288238
The point is it can do that when the claim was that it couldn’t

>>6287412
>I produced the steel that made the nails in your house
>I made your house

>>6288238
I geninely don't understand what's going on in that picture. it's like attempting at rendering a nonsense soup. i think you have got to be mentally ill to enjoy looking at this. like an actual schizo who writes nonsensical stuff on the walls and has to be occasionally put in a straitjacket

>>6288245
I'm overjoyed to inform you that I formulated that picture specifically with commands to "go crazy" and be "schizophrenic" and it was very fun.

>>6288238
>Part of the reason why the model is currently returning copyright-infringing pictures is because people are creating only very small images with it, which end up containing less nodes for the AI to work on. A bigger image made with better prompts synthesizes more different styles and methods.
That's not how it works, why do you retards always try to sound smart when you have no clue?

>>6288244
If you buy a machine that prints nails did you make the nails?

>>6286892
i'm going to like this

>>6288248
>I made the filament for your 3d printer
>I made your 3d prints

and yes if you had a machine that prints nails and you got material for it, you made the nails (with the machine of course, noone is arguing you hand made them) and it's likely you could have made other things as well such as hooks or coat hangers with the machine

>>6288248
>If you buy a machine that prints nails did you make the nails?
i mean, yes?
we refer to things this way very often, it's no different from using other tools

>>6288254
Unless you made the model yourself the machine did all the work you didn't make anything.
>>6288256
A factory owner will never tell you he made stuff thanks to his factory.
What even is this dumbass argument.

>>6287388
>>6287382
>>6287380
it's over
copilot exists

>>6288266
copilot is just a tool for programmers
remains to be seen whether it will completely replace them, but for the time being tools like copilot will only make their jobs easier

>>6288258
this analogy is is getting stupidly disconnected from the topic
the original point was simply that just because a model was trained from other people's work, doesn't mean that the images it produces belong to them
whether or not it should be trained on their work to start with is probably a more interesting topic

>>6287363
>>6287378
These are great holy booba

>>6288270
The original analogy was retarded.
No one is arguing that you didn't build an house because you didn't make the nails is not even comparable.
No one will ever claim you didn't write a novel because you didn't make the keyboard.
Everyone will say you didn't write a novel if the text processor spits out a novel based on what you like.

>>6288234
it has the capability to copy peoples' styles, i'm not trying to get into the debate about whether what it is doing is legal or not. what i'm asking is what the value of creative work is if you can put literally anything anyone would make into a washing machine that is capable of iterating or producing something with similar elements
say you spend 10 years on an indie game, then someone can just feed it to an algorithm to produce endless sequels forever without you doing a thing

>>6288273
>Everyone will say you didn't write a novel if the text processor spits out a novel based on what you like.
i agree with this, but i don't think you can deal in absolutes with it
there's a gradient to how much work the user puts in themselves vs. how much they rely on the ai
in your example, this ranges from an ai providing a suggestion for one word of the story, vs. it writing the whole thing, and everything inbetween
if you're in the middle or lower end of that range, then suddenly it's not so easy to classify who's making the thing -- aside from something to the effect of using the AI as a tool
the same can be applied to SD, depending on how it is used, and to things like copilot

ownership and authorship get muddy in this way, but should we let that muddiness inhibit our development of such useful tools? because clearly they are useful

>>6288274
>it has the capability to copy peoples' styles,
So has every self-proclaimed artist on /ic/. Just because people are capable of murder doesn't make them murderers.

>>6288266
programmer here
copilot is a glorified auto complete tool at best and even then it loses to free alternatives like tabnine or other ai based autocomplete
basically it just helps you code faster the boring parts/boilerplate

try using that shit to code algorithms, handle data structures and so on and you end up with a shitty piece of software
hell, I tried copilot for a whole day and fucker kept coding javascript with 10 year old outdated code, any "ai" that defines variables with "var" is retarded

then again you can use these coding is both tabnine and copilot to train them on your own code and even your current projects code so it becomes more useful than the retarded scrapping of public code form github like SD does with scrapping the web for art
and even then, again, its mostly just a decent autocomplete for the most boring rote work

I've heard stories from people in uni already using copilot ineatd of actually learning to program, if this is true then my salary and many other programmer's salaries gonna go up and up
plus job interviews involve you coding in front of people normally some random logical problems, so if a shitters uses coding ai as a crutch they will never get a job

coding ai is less of a threat than art ai, like seriously, the more coding ai is used the better pay actual programmers will get and come at me with the hurr durr 100 employees gonna become only 10
touch some grass, and educate yourself

>>6288277
i'm not interested in arguing the morality of anything, i'm asking what value (socially + financially) art has when you can run it through an iteration machine and destroy the value of the original artists' IP.
if i want to copy katsuhiro otomo's style, i am going to have to copy his own genius and skill. that is not a short feat - it would probably take a normal person decades. but supposedly - if AI keeps improving like the people who shill it way it will - can just be fed the authors work and then copy the style perfect based off of algorithms, and produce shit infinitely in a few minutes, what value does it have? it seems to me that the art itself is more or less worthless, and the value it in the algorithm itself

>>6288282
>what value does it have?
well, what value does katsuhiro otomo's style have? if people like his stuff and consume it, then i don't see why that would be any different to stuff produced using AI as a tool
do people only read his manga (assuming, i'm not familiar with the name) because it's difficult to produce, or is it because it's captivating and entertaining in some other way?
why can AI aided works not be captivating and entertaining in the same way?

>>6288282
>and destroy the value of the original artists' IP.
Good fucking riddance. IP was the worst fucking invention the Jews ever made. All music should be free and accessible to everyone. All art should be free and accessible to everyone. All books should be free and accessible to everyone. All software should be free and accessible to everyone. Don't want to make new things anymore? Then don't, you soulless money-grubbing ghoul. Nobody is going to miss you.

>>6288285
nta but i'm not sure if i'd go THAT far. it's a tough question. i think you could convince me that copyright/IP should be extremely short though.

>>6288280
gonna add another tidbit
with the way the ai works, basically the same scrape data then bash shit together bullshit art ai also does
means even training it with your own code you would need to have millions of lines of your own code to make it efficient especially if you arentusing a normie language everyone and their grandmother uses like python or some shit

and the ai would in a way also emulate your bad habits and maybe some errors you're prone to doing
again, the more retards use this shit the more real programmers get paid
the more uni kids use this as a crutch the more job offers

same shit applies to art but I guess you guys have a bigger amount of mental illness so got way more doomers
don't worry, ai wont do shit it isn't even actual "ai"

>>6288284
it has value because drawing something like pic rel is something very few people can do. you're not going to pay someone to do something for you if a machine can imitate it perfectly already. i think the term "AI aided works" is a misnomer because these "tools" are not being developed with artists in mind - stableAI/midjourney don't have a single artist on their dev teams lol. they are being developed for non-artists to play around with, and so i don't really see anyone coming out advantageous financially except for the people who own the AI models themselves.
people like otomo's stuff, and they might want to see it, but if every single person can now shit out shit in his style using a danbooru tag + AI, then it is valueless, the algorithm is what has value.

>>6288280
>>6288288
funny how posts like this never get replies and its only the ones that lead to derailing shit flinging that dominate discussion

more proof these boards are only made to shitpost

>>6288290
so your question was actually "what value does this have to artists?" not "what value does this have?"
because clearly it has values to other groups

>>6288290
The only issues I have with AI right now is that it will be used to flood the internet with even more flow effort garbage.
I fully expect that AI generation will become the new meme tag to dodge when buying indie games on Steam.

>>6288302
well i said social+ financial value, so who will benefit in the sense of sharing their art (everything will be flooded, how will we know what is worth consuming? there will be no interest from other people) and monetarily? I only really see the algorithm itself holding value in that sense, since people will be wanting to fiddle around with it to see whatever, and will pay to do so (don't be misguided by SD having a free model - they are making big $$$ bux from this)

>>6288306
>who will benefit in the sense of sharing their art
well, there is value in the direction and intent given to a work of art -- for example the narrative in a manga series, or what have you

>everything will be flooded, how will we know what is worth consuming
is this really that much different to how things are now?
there are always people and organizations who stand out on top, that won't change
is producing a higher volume of quality entertainment or art really a bad thing?

>>6288309
>is this really that much different to how things are now?
>there are always people and organizations who stand out on top, that won't change
>is producing a higher volume of quality entertainment or art really a bad thing?

absolutely, if you've ever tried making an indie game or webcomic or even post art online it's basically impossible to stand out, there's so much shit. you have to be really really lucky. there's so much crap that comes out everyday, far more than you could consume in an entire lifetime. everybody has years and years of backlog of shit they haven't gotten around to and there is more and more coming out to throw on the pile. skill is the only way we really filter out what's worth looking at vs not, since usually it takes years and years to cultivate something worth looking at, whether that be art, writing, music, so on.
that's not even to mention that AI takes all of this to a ridiculous degree, where we won't know if the people we are talking to, or anything we see or experience online, is real at all. the amount of crap it can shit out is insane and it will only get faster and more accurate.

>>6288273
you didn't write a novel but you did make one, much like with AI art you didn't draw a picture but you did make one.

>>6288316
if you commission someone for a really specific skeb, did you make the art

>>6288312
>indie game or webcomic or even post art online it's basically impossible to stand out, there's so much shit
well yeah, everybody wants to get paid for producing the thing they love
public opinion is a whimsical and fickle thing, and when you try to make appealing to public opinion your job then you are rolling the dice
reducing the amount of competition so that it's easier to get paid to do that is not a valid solution
if your work isn't popular, then people aren't finding it or they aren't finding it valuable, that's the game you are playing when you try to enter that market
i agree that AI will make this harder for those competing in that market, but i don't see that it's an issue for anyone other than those individuals

>>6288108
Why are hands so difficult for AI? Can't they count to 5 or something?

>>6288321
you don't see it as an issue that anything you make (even "AI assisted") can be put back into a washing machine to make more without you? and what that does to the value of anything creative?

>>6288320
No, they made it. The difference is if you commission art no matter how specific or not, you are working with a sentient agent so they are making the art. The AI isn't sentient and can't decide to make anything so you are making the art using the AI.

>>6288327
>you don't see it as an issue that anything you make (even "AI assisted") can be put back into a washing machine to make more without you?
people make transformative works all the time

>>6288327
>and what that does to the value of anything creative?
not a whole lot, the value of creative things is often a scale of popularity, and that's not going anywhere

>>6288329
>he AI isn't sentient and can't decide to make anything

>>6288335
>using

>>6288336
While the real thread is people posting real art to try to get a rise out of people and then making a new shitposting thread when they get called out.

i don't understand this thing. why is it giving me this really weird shit when im prompting it as " (((Ron Walotsky))), ((tornado)), tragedy " im so confused about how this works.

>>6288332
we're arguing in circles, i'm getting tired of it
>people make transformative works all the time
this is a completely different argument, transformative/ derivative works have nothing to do with algorithms that can infinitely and instantly mimic your work, no human is capable of that

>>6288329
Guess I made the coins inside a slot machine because It was my lever pull that made them come out.

>>6288336

>>6288346
You would be right if it was a coin making machine.

>>6288341
I saw it describes as an interpolative search engine. If you try to merge concepts that are too far apart, the result is incoherent. What far apart means might vary a lot too.

>>6288348
But as I pulled the lever the coin came out?
So it's obvious I made them?
There's also effort involved because not everytime I pull the lever coins come out?
Do you think anyone could do it? Don't you understand the mental fortitude required to keep pulling the lever until something comes out?

>>6288336
Yup this is how aicels are not
>times up brushmonkeys
>just 2 more weeks
>get a real job
Or ironically
>learn to code
Which they claim artists would say to people who have lost their jobs in other fields, but is ridiculous on its face the only people screeching shit like that are and have always been techfags and by extension aicels

>>6288353
We almost agree, again the big difference is that you are pulling the lever on a slot machine, which happens to have coins inside of it that come out. If it was a coin making machine that has no coins in it but you put in some bars of nickel pull the level and coins come out, then yeah you made some coins.

>>6288336
>>6288347
Why aren't those comics AI generated?

>>6288358
so if someone else puts the bars of nickel in the coin machine and then i pull the lever, the other person made the coins?

>>6288358
ai models do not contain any images

>>6288358
Well I just found to make gambling legal in my country, I just needed to have the slot machine make the coint from a bar of nickel the moment someone won.
Time to get rich see you /ic/

>>6288370
Eh...there are Images they are over trained on... it's kind of like a new type of image compression.

>>6288376
sort of, but it's not intended to reproduce images from the original dataset
in that case it's overfitting, which is actively avoided

>>6288369
You misunderstand me, the difference with the slot machine is that you can't use it to make coins, it contains coins that it dispenses. The coin making machine you can use to make coins from nickel, it doesn't matter where the nickel comes from or who put it in.

>>6288383
alright, an ai model does not contain images though

>>6288385
True, what does that have to do with anything?

It should learn to draw hands and get out of my board, that's my critique.

>>6288387
it has to do with your analogy, unless you were just spewing unrelated nonsense

>>6288391
But what's the implication exactly? The fact that the AI model doesn't contain images fits in my analogy.

I'm starting to believe that aphantasia is a real thing. It's the logical explanation for those people who think shooting in the dark makes them on par with people who have a concrete idea what they want to put on a canvas, they have no concept of inner visualization. Also why they settle for /beg/ tier results without even bothering to img2img the most glaring mistakes.

>>6288396
>If it was a coin making machine that has no coins in it but you put in some bars of nickel pull the level and coins come out, then yeah you made some coins.

>>6288400
I'm really going to need you to spell it out for me because I don't understand what you are trying to say by quoting me?

>>6288396
Yur both retarded midwits none of the shit you are talking about matters ai(machine learning) models rip peoples shit without consent which is theft idgaf about the technicalities these companies are abusing new tech and slow laws to steal thats it. Asking a box to make an image then the box spits out an image only means the box made the image however much input you put into the box doesn't change the fact you are asking a separate thing to make it.
>the ai model doesn't literally contain images
Who cares

>>6288403
i got you confused with >>6288353
i agree with you

>>6288410
So you ask your toaster to make you toast in the morning? Shizos everywhere.

>>6288410
how is that any different from if a learning human was in the box?
it looks at and learns from other work, how can you ban that?

>>6288385
The algorithm could not exist without the dataset that it trained on, even if it’s eventually compressed to a tiny amount
A coin machine does not recreate the bars of nickel but it nonetheless is comprised of it.

>>6288412
Alright, that's what I guessed.

>>6288416
Hahaha
> it looks
ya come back when it has eyeballs and a brain kek

>>6288414
You dont ask your toaster to make toast retard you use your toaster to toast the bread because you cant be fucked to put it in the oven which you use beacause you cant be fucked to build a fire and do it yourself kys

>>6288417
that's true enough but it doesn't break any laws and at worst it's morally gray

>>6288416
Ai(machine leaning models) don't and never have nor come any where close to the way humans perceive and learn literally universes apart anyone claiming ai is learning like humans bought into pop sci meme shit

>>6288423
the laws differ from country, in the eu datascraping copyrighted content is illegal. There is no real legal precedent for how this would go in court, it’s existing in a grey area

>>6288417
in the same way that human artists couldn't create what they do without the dataset that they learned from?
what exactly is the diffrence?

>>6288427
i'm not saying it's the same as the way humans perceive or that it's sentient
i'm saying the process of analysing some input data and learning about certain characteristics to then create something else is similar

>>6288433
Because a human doesn't need a dataset to create shit.
Stop arguing about semantics you are just wrong.

>>6288433
We don’t learn from a dataset nigga, we can’t process raw metadata and pixels lol

>>6288435
artists just create without having ever seen or learned from the art of others now?
wow, my bad, you guys really advanced while i wasn't looking

>>6288439
Yes, what the hell are you even talking about?

>>6288439
Give the ai loomis and see if it can read and learn anatomy and colour theory kek

>>6288445
>the first artist was the only real and original artist

>>6288433
If it isn't like a human and isn't sentient then its a theft bot using peoples data without consent for something that doesn't actually think and perceive on the level of sentience means you made at best a glorified auto photobasher which I ad still doesn't mean you made what it produces

>>6288428
Fair enough, I'm no legal expert.

>>6288448
what difference does sentience make?
are human artists not just glorified photobashers that work a bit slower?

>>6288448
did you get consent to be inspired by all of the artists that you learned from?

>>6288439
>>6288447
>>6288451
No humans perceive and learn in a far more complex way then data in data out I don't claim to know everything about the human mind but by minimizing all human thougt to that of what machine leaning models do, you are saying you have completely knowledge of the brain its functions and its outputs which is ridiculous. If ML could completely replicate how the human mind works we wouldn't be having this convo

>>6288459
All of these are non argumants see>>6288463

>>6288463
>>6288464
i don't see what the level of complexity has to do with anything

>>6288459
bro nobody gives a shit if humans inspire other humans, that doesn't give some jew bigtech company the right to steal all your data for their misanthropic experiments

>>6288451
>>6288465

This might be a novel concept for you, but it's actually possible to draw/paint using knowledge of 3d form and how light interacts with it, without looking at any external reference.

would /ic/ be happy with A.I. art continuing to grow and proliferate but making it illegal to ever profit off the art without clearly stating what programs were involved in the process of making it?

>>6288467
>using knowledge
>without looking at any external reference
everything you perceive is "external"

>>6288468
i'd be happy if the datasets were opt in so we could share our shit online without pajeets running it through their copyright washing machines

>>6288465
Because we don't actually know what goes on in the human mind and why it can create in the way it does but claiming these generators work in the same way is not only a lie but minimizes what being human is. Also if the generators arent sentient then they are nothing but toys, toys built using the theft of artists labor and the data of milions of unsuspecting people and should be handled as such

>>6288471
and if a company hired someone to replicate your trash art and used it in their program how would that make you feel?

>>6288468
I would be fine if corpos couldn't use it and it wasnt stealing peoples shit anything else is fine

>>6288478
don't care

>>6288470
Should have clarified, external visual reference, as in looking at something or visualizing.

>>6288482
right, but "using knowledge" is stuff learned from perception -- i don't see how that's too dissimilar to exposing the ai model to data

>>6288482
bro all law and especially copyright and IP law is completely centred around the idea of humans + human ownership, these AIs are not sentient yet. there's a reason why AI generated shit cannot be copyrighted

>>6288485
The AI doesn't understand what it sees, it only learns to mimic 2d patterns of pixels. Nothing about it is similar to human learning.

>>6288466
Really all this stems from bigtechs misanthropy and their hyper capitalistic desire to own the commons in this case they want to own and have you pay a premium subscription to the human mind ans creativity itself

post the art youre making this morning guys!

>>6288493
well, now we're getting into territory of how you define understanding and learning, and i suspect we would just plainly disagree there

>Nothing about it is similar to human learning.
i'm not saying it's the same, but this just isn't true

>>6288505
>well, now we're getting into territory of how you define understanding and learning, and i suspect we would just plainly disagree there
No we aren't this is quite literally just math.
Stop embarissing yourself with retarded claims.

>>6288509
and the human brain is somehow entirely disconnected from ever being described in terms of math, or what?

>>6288516
ya our brains are just math its just like a machine

>>6288493
That's EXACTLY how humans learn.

>>6288520
This might shock you, but our brains perceive the world as three-dimensional.

>>6288522
this might shock you, but that has nothing to do with the argument. screenshot this!!!!!!!!

>>6288524
again, if humans and AI have identical learning methods, why can't you just give it some gurney or loomis to read and learn art theory to improve?

>>6288520
>humans have pattern recognition
OMG THATS EXACTLY LIKE MY GAY-I

>>6288526
nobody is arguing that they are identical, stop strawmanning

>hurr durr muh technology is not perfect yet so it's worthless

>>6288528
i'm not saying it's perfect but the way it works has almost nothing in common with the way we do so it needs different laws and considerations

>>6288531
>the way it works has almost nothing in common with the way we do
i mean, this is where we are disagreeing

it does need different laws and considerations, on that we can agree
we would probably disagree on where the boundaries should lie

>>6288528
theyre drug addict twitterfags man don't argue with them. they have zero principles and are pulling any position out of their ass to justify the opposition to this. they know not even a single person will care about or respect what they do(unless what they do involves A.I.) in a few years and it pains them.

>>6288535
what are you tech/g/enie hedonists even doing here if you're not going to argue in good faith?

>>6288535
No you fucking brainlet the point of this ai shit is that no one will ever be respected for any art ever again not aicucks or Twitter artists its an art terminating device notice you cant actually argue with anything anyone has actually said because you are a retarded low iq pajeet whos complete inability to self reflect on your thoughts will only lead further to the degridation of human thought and ultimately human life

>>6288542
>>6288543
>i-its being shilled
>it sucks!
>its actually soulless
>it will ruin us theaux
>the corporations man! people shouldnt be able to create art!
>uh actually the A.I. doesnt even "learn" it just looks at things and tries to do something similar
>i think A.I. is dangerous for society(now that it might have a negative effect on me)
>y-you can't enjoy it youre just consooming!!!
>there's going to be TOO much art out there
>but actually intellectual property is super important now, the corporations should be able to endlessly copyright anything forever
you dont have an argument, you have zero principles and youre a schizo. leave the thread and go make some art if you actually enjoy it as you claim.

I made art of a factory with mitochondria in it. It's pretty clever actually.

>>6288549
every single bit of your greentext is correct
the endgame of techfa/g/s is dealing away with all labor but patching up code because they are bitter codemonkeys incapable of anything else so they want other people to be just as sad and bitter as them by deconstructing their craft and abilities

>>6288549
Literally zero argument you're mad af that people see through the veil you keep over your own eyes you are completely and utterly incapable of original thought and parrot anything that your tech lord(of the week) says because you are a psued you literally cant engage or counter a single thing thats been said btw I'm drawing right now because I love it which you could sit down and do at anytime but go off crying about how theres no fun allowed fucking bitch

>>6288549
>but actually intellectual property is super important now, the corporations should be able to endlessly copyright anything forever
??? IP is super important, it's what stops a big corpo from being able to take the little guy's shit and profit from it
as >>6288332 said,
>the value of creative things is often a scale of popularity
franchises like star wars and capeshit will always be popular, and they will be able to protect people from profiting from their characters and IP, but independent artists won't be able to stop those big corpos from taking their portfolios and churning out art from their work via an algorithm

>>6288554
>typing a long, insulting and barely coherent sentence
>UR MAD!!!!

hmm

>>6288553
>>6288554
>>6288561
your art is trash, no one wants it. if scarcity is so important to art then art has been dead for decades. if it wasn't it's definitely dead now.

>>6288564

>>6288562
>can't disprove anything or even argue his case
>pissing and shitting himself calling any opposition schizos
>somehow not a mad brainlet
>hmm
Topkek cope and seethe

>>6288566
nta

>>6288562
>>6288564
>SIR DO NOT REDEEM
>SIR DO NOT REDEEM

>>6288567
Then I guess you're just as retarded? What does that matter instead of engaging with a point you mald like so what?

>>6288570
>hmm
>malding
hmm

live instance of silly humans arguing with bots atm

>>6287435
RIP
he probably got drafted
i will miss you

>>6288573
>>6288576
Seems like well goodnight friends

Actual bugmen.

>>6288578
It's the morning my nigga

>>6288614
I know

>>6287378
excellent tits anon, i took a crack at completing her head

>>6287378
oops here

god damn it, i genuinely convinced myself that lined styles of art would be immune from the Ai shit, i thought i was gonna be ok but no, we're all fucked.

it's not actually as bad as it seems, right guys? this is pure sui-fuel.

>>6288641
>a mess of lines, worse than beg chickenscratching.

If you think this is some precursor to clean lineart, you were never going to make it anyway, don't worry.

>>6288641
nigga
>da fuck em looking at

>>6288656
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

if you don't see the progression from previous Ai to this plus the many other instances of it producing better and better line-art, you're lost in the cope

This is all well and good, but when will AI make animated porn for us?

>>6288663
is it consistent my nigga
>if we're doing very simple stuff like powerpuff girls style why do we need the AI if it can still fuck up the most simplest shit

>>6288663
The AI will never learn to reproduce lineart, because it looks for visual patterns and there is no none in the lineart that it can recognize. To the AI it will always look like a bunch of lines, sometimes vaguely in the shape of objects.
The individual lines in professional, clean lineart can describe outline, cross-contour, boundaries between light and dark, or between hues of colours, surface texture, material, repetitive patterns, shading, gesture and motion, or any combination of them.
On top of that, the lines have to be arranged in a way that looks clean, and aesthetically pleasing. To an AI all of those lines look identical, and it will shit the bed trying to reproduce it.
There's no roadmap here to professional, clean lineart.

>>6288677
>The AI will never learn to reproduce lineart
If humans can reporduce line art in master studies, then it's not out of reach for AI.

>>6288679
A human has the intelligence to deduce what the lines are meant to convey. Again, AI only looks for visual patterns, it has zero intelligence.

>>6288684
Whats the i in AI mean again?

>>6288688
Just because you call it intelligence, doesn't make it intelligence.

>>6288677
>AI will never
he doesn't know

>>6288688
"Artificial intelligence is not, by definition, simulation of human intelligence."
- John McCarthy (who coined the term AI)

>>6287878
seethe

>>6288054
I never knew the post was from reddit but thanks for letting me know more about your faggot habits lmao

>>6287378
prompt?

>>6287037
Why does it stop at 1 I can literally juggle perfectly rendered apples around my cock inside my head

>>6288994
think of the most absolute retarded person you can come up with that you know personally
half the world's population is dumber than that
even around eighty percent of the world's population cannot grasp the concept of hypothetical scenarios with themselves on it, specially when you introduce concepts like time and stories within stories, they simply are not capable of doing any actual thinking

>>6287378
What's the prompt?

I want to know how to get it this perfect with the background and the art style. It seems like a painting.

>>6288677
god, the level of cope by this anon is insane. yes it will go on to master line art, if you think it won't you're kinda delusional.

>>6287378
Dear god anon, I'm begging you for the prompt.

>>6287378
> vacuum sealed navel
For some reason, this kills the boner

>>6286892
haha it is good for something after all

>>6289485
this one is cute too

>>6289499
>cant draw clothe wrinkles
>ai makes it look natural
Fuuuuuuuck........

>>6289504
don't worry anon it's not actually perfect the way it is and needs a lot of work to make sense in a full picture I like the ideas it presents though like polished concept art

>>6289504
here have some funny looking ones to cheer you up

I have a potato gpu so this is the last one I share until the set is done but she's actually very pretty

>>6289349
AI's been fed 2 billion images and still sucks at lineart, kek.
>"ACK, it just needs 2 billion more, just wait!"

alright this idea is done

>>6289643
>the ai was trained on 2B images of whales, and it still can't draw a cat!! KEK