/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Can you post a few examples of each, maybe you're just stressed because you think the customer has absurdly high standards.

One thing I've noticed is that people who don't draw nor get exposed to a fuck ton of art have way lower standards than people who do. Sure they'll gargle japanese balls when they see some but they'll also like pretty much anything better than mid /beg/.

>>6282291
i dont want to post my actual work as i dont want to be found here by someone who could know me, but i did this portrait study just now in about 30 minutes if you want to judge my level of skill by that.

i agree that people have low standards but even when i recognize that, i get this feeling in my stomach that what im making has to be amazing because this person paid me to make art, out of all artists. i dont know if that makes sense. if you cant tell im autistic

>>6282332
forgot to attach my image

>>6282333
Nta but
Looks fine
Chill out
U have impostor syndrome

>>6282332
>out of all artists
"all artists" is always a misleading concept. Sure there are thousands of people for hire but when you start actually searching for people who
>have slots open right now or you know will open them in the near future
>draw the stuff you want
>in a style you like
>have an acceptable skill level
>are in your price range
>have basic proficiency in the same languages as you
> are optionally famous enough for you to brag to your friends about hiring them if it's for furry or TTRPG purposes

you'll end up with barely a dozen people unless you're so cheap you're willing to hire /beg/s, in which case it's still two dozen.

going by >>6282333, I assume you're a high-/int/ realistic painter with prices in the 100-200$ range, lurking Twitter for a few minutes gives me maybe three guys who do similar things and five who might but would probably fuck it up and I'd not bet commission money on it. Artstation gives me more but most are either not taking gigs right now or would charge 400$ because they're all pros who pay taxes. that's what you're competing with, all the other weebs, furries, environment designers and such whose work you see on social media aren't actually competition the same way norwegian Death Metal isn't competing with the Chicago drill scene.

>>6282434
i appreciate that information, thank you. i know its specific but it does help me rationalize that the best thing i can do for the person commissioning me is to make the art i usually make, since thats what they are looking for.
granted, its harder to apply this mindset than conceptualize it, but im trying

Anon, I go through the same thing with art.
But let me tell you about other lines of work.

I work as a language teacher.
For a long time I considered myself unfit for it, because I had no education in the area and, as non-native, I'd still make mistakes here and there. How can someone who doesn't know 100% of everything DARE to pretend to teach anything?

Turns out I just had to bee myself. Even if not perfect, my English skills are way above what even people with degrees have, and students know so little that even if I were at only 50% of my current skill, I'd still be able to teach them a lot.
When I do make mistakes, I'm the only one to notice. And no damage is done, because it's not like students are picking up on 100% of the words you're saying. Even if they absorb those mistakes, they will be getting 99% correct information and becoming greatly skilled in the language.

I even began teaching a language I'm C1 at, but limit the teaching to beginners, as I would not be able to hold a conversation without making mistakes often.
Still, because I'm on the cheaper end (exactly because I'm not that qualified), some people who are already advanced and just want to practice pick me, and I talk to them, it serves us both as practice as we have complementary knowledge.

And despite that language being not so strong, it's good enough to communicate with natives of that language, meaning I can teach English and my native language to these people by explaining it in their language - and this setup now constitutes maybe 20~30% of my students.

Art is just too strongly tied to my ego and sense of self-worth, so it's harder to let go.
But I had the same kind of paralysis with language and, after "surviving" as a teacher for over a year by just doing what I know, I understand what >>6282291 is saying. Your standards are way higher than what is actually expected of you.
Unless you're charging what you consider BIG money for it, there's no reason to go full-on autistic polish.

>>6282511
i thought this thread was down by now but i stopped by to reply to you.

thank you for the reply, and i understand where youre coming from. recently ive been teaching art for free to some people i know, because they are close friends and also they are motivated. granted its not for pay but i figured it related to teaching when you dont feel professional.

i think everything you said resonates with me, but the part about charging big money kinda sticks out. my rate is not incredibly high, its maybe 110-150 USD depending on the piece (this is just an average, sometimes its a little over), but since i am working 1-to-1 with people the price feels much bigger than if i was working with a company/entity that had money to "invest" in an artist. i know art is a luxury good but someone forking over 100 dollars or more for a single image does make me feel pressured to make it one of the best images they have ever seen, of course. i guess i just need to pretend everyone reaching out to me is a millionaire and they think they are getting a good deal, its not my fault if someone is buying art outside of their price range.

im going to try and go forward with this idea that i need to lower my own standards and make everything more comfortable as a result.

>>6284764
>teaching your friends
That's pretty cool, anon, I wanted to do that with a few of my layman friends, but I have no idea how to approach it since I lack fundies more than I lack the rest, and then the "I am not fit for this VOLUNTARY job" feeling kicks in.

Do you give them Bargue plates and Loomis or do you work with tasks to accomplish? Do you redline their stuff or what?

>>6286960
>bargue plates and loomis
no. i think that only a special breed is built for bargue plates (i know i would benefit from them but i just dont have the patience, im a twitchy fucker), and loomis didnt really work for me so I didnt recommend it.

i would do live demos for them and describe really basic but important ideas that are fundamental to the process of "image making" as i phrased it, and i would let them ask me questions as I worked. afterwards they would try to paint the thing as well and i would help them with mistakes and biases i could watch them make live, and the end result comes out looking much better than what they could normally do which motivates them even more. i also give them examples of things that are not too hard to draw but can still be fun, like bugs or plants, and i encourage them to have fun with drawing as often as they can since passion and drive are larger than any fundie you can study, as cliche as that sounds.

my concept is to drill good ideas in early and to try and immediately remove bad ideas, which is what i wish someone wouldve done for me. i can only teach them what i know but i feel comfortable that i can teach beginners at least, better than someone watching jazza or whatever.

outside of that i will occasionally link them short lectures (they are busy adults) and i got them both Dynamic Sketching 1 as i think its maybe the best training supply for the majority of beginning artists.