/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Trad bros, new thread is hecklin up!

>>6262984
two paintings around town today

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>>6263205
>cock pubic serve
wow brian wtf

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>>6263205
Why are they so chalky

>>6262881
But there is an easy way, anon...

I got grayscale copics

>>6263274
I'm intrigued. Tell me more.

>>6263274
I made the same mistake once, I bought a grayscale set but quickly realized they are worthless for shading as they will get darker if you intersect two lines, as seen in the background of the iguana you posted, god damn I hate it so much, then I just bought a cheap watercolor set

>>6263293
Honestly I prefer watercolor as well since you can sketch with it, but I guess markers are like more self-contained and with a quicker setup, especially if you want to get moving studies done

>>6263331
Yeah I sometimes use them too, but for little ideas and very shitty sketching, the intersecting shit drives my autism crazy tho

I've been on and off with art, only traditional. I had a lot of fun with it in a couple classes during my prolonged undergrad that was completely unrelated. Classroom setting compared to self-learning is like driving to walking, imo. Depends on the classroom of course, but I was lucky to happen into two "rigorous" intro courses (one drawing, one painting), instead of the "do whatever you want guys!" sort of thing I would otherwise imagine.
At that point in my undergrad, the art homework took up more time than my eventual math degree homework, on average.

No point to that ramble, sorry you read it.
I think I've found the medium that I really truly love over all others, brushed ink. I love laying down tone, and I love layering, and I love working with value though I need a lot of work here.
Mostly I use xuan paper, because it's cheap but nice quality. Though I also really like watercolor paper for this, the ink sets almost immediately, leaving a lot of options for layering ink (as well as requiring purposeful setting of ink, if layering is something to avoid.) I have tried "raw xuan" but it is too unpredictable to me, and ends up uninteresting because of that.
I usually just dilute a bottle of https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074KJ289G this stuff into 2 or 3 values. But in certain moods I grind ink from an ink stick, which smells amazing and puts me into a more mindful perspective, of what exactly I'm going to do with this ink that took me 5 minutes of getting high and listening to music.
I have squeeze bottles because I ferment hot sauce, and these are perfect for dripping water into grinding ink.

I want youtubes or books that could help my technical abilities, especially regarding light and shadow of course.
In the previous thread someone gave a "10 min improve your painting" video, and it was okay but a lot of fluff, and longer would be better.

Fuck yeah, wall of text, no picture.

>>6263488
One final thing, these brushes https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MDJ7RWK/ are amazing for this.
You twist to suck up the ink into the resorvoir, and can release a little extra into the bristles by twisting. Cheap as hell, and obviously terrible quality but that doesn't matter at all really. Highly recommended. Grind or dilute some ink, suck it up into a brush, and you're good.

Tempted to get an actually nice brush or two and to bring color into my setup, so if anyone has suggestions on those, thanks. I probably won't get nice brushes because 1) I don't think it has an appreciable effect on output, 2) I likely will never take care of my brushes. But willing to try if there's a strong endorsement from an internet rando.

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>>6263498
Whenever I bought Chinese ink I hated the low quality of it and I tried half a dozen different inks. Rohrer & Klingner is my current choice of ink. Brause for nibs.

>>6263501
I suppose I should try a higher quality then, because I find myself totally satisfied with this, but it might be an issue of not knowing what I don't know. I'll check out Rohrer & Klingner. Anything line-based drives me nuts so won't be looking at nibs.

>>6263501
>Rohrer & Klingner
I'm seeing on amazon $20+ for small bottles, and branded as "writing ink." I feel like I will run through this very quickly.
How is it diluted with water? Does it go a surprising amount further?

Also general thought, diluting ink with things other than water? Coffee? Cum? Alcohol? Something colorful?

>>6263524
If you're using up a lot then you might wanna stick to cheaper ink. I wouldn't recommend diluting it.

What do you guys think is the most unfun medium?

>>6263565
People love them, but I hate micronpens / felt-tip pens.

>>6263488
>darkening background to increase contrast
>raw xuan, bled onto surface below
>bird now has a bruise above the eye
FFFFFFFU

>>6263565
Ahem..
Fuck acrylics
Fuck watercolor
Fuck markers
Fuck colored pencils
Fuck graphite

>>6263578
Oh I forgot
Fuck oil pastels

>>6263578
>Fuck graphite
what do you draw with then?

>>6263580
Drawing is for the mentally ill
I just go straight into painting and adjust while feeling the form and finding the rhythm

>>6263565
Anything line-based. There are no lines in reality and all it does is start me down a path of failure.

>>6263575
Also besides my blotch struggle, talk to me about technique and what you notice and what I could work on. My take: "Global" lighting is wrong or not considered. Too busy (part of why I began darkening background), needs more close/near/far.

>>6263565
Definitely acrylics I hate them so much

>>6263592
That looks kinda funny

>>6263565
Any medium can be fun, it's just a matter of getting used to it

>>6263629
Based testosterone less answer

>>6263588
>Anything line-based
bad at drawing - bad at everything else

>>6263631
Are you underage?

b nice
this is comfy thread

>>6263592
i actually like this one, you should sign it (you should always sign everything)

>>6263632
Sup tourist

>>6263646
They're already gone. Gave them to relatives as presents. I'll get back to working with acrylics soon-ish though.
They are signed on the back but I'm going to sign my stuff in the future on the front because galleries and shit.

>>6263632
I'm willing to entertain this if you can support it somehow, or give a good argument.
I covered a lot of ground with just vine charcoal and erasing, so I'm willing to hear this.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, and more like "Can't multi-medium, bad in general"

>>6262861
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>>6263655
prompts used?

>>6263695
old meme already, you won't find any rage here my prompteur friend

did this from my head

>>6263849
Just paint something interesting already, Brian. You got the skill. Now do something with it.

I used to like impasto but now I kind of don't

>>6263853
I want to paint large classical scenes with heroic figures. Unironically I want to make some Italian ass Italian paintings of Italian men. Med chads.

>>6263906
Would be better than the low effort stuff you've been doing so far. Go for it. Leave your comfort zone.

>>6263205
This post is a great reminder on how much of a blight automobiles are to architectural aesthetics

Queen about to pop off.
Wonder if there will be a demand for portraits of her for a while?

>>6264200
don't forget about the noise, the pollution which darkens statues, acidify rains, etc.

cars' hidden price

>>6264200
Not only that, I had to paint the car first out of everything else in the painting because of the threat that the random guy would come back and move his car and then im utterly fucked

>>6264723
this one is kinda lazy but i did a lot of painting yesterday

>>6264871
How many paintings do you currently have at your place, Brian?

>>6264888
I don’t feel like counting them I keep them in my bedroom though

>>6264723
That's one reason to always take a picture with your phone when you start. You don't need a great picture, just enough so you can complete in case of issues

>>6265016
>>6265016
>>6265016
>>6265016


Get in here, I need backup.

>>6265048
I don't care, Brian.

>>6263849
Brian, why do you only sell on Ebay? Doesn't it make more sense to offer your product everywhere? Etsy and instagram, for example.

Also, I'll repost this image here that I put on the last thread for those who think it's hard to make money with it.

I am so terrible at spotting lightest/darkest/etc in something I'm looking at, either pictures or life, especially with many colors, but even when it's few or no colors.
Any advice? Just do it a lot? Tips for doing it a lot more effectively?

>>6265330
have you tried squinting

>>6265330
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuZ0t5FR9f0

How expensive are pastels in the long run? I don't have the budget for most paint and paper types.

What's the best course of action when trying to plan out/paint details?
I was trying to practice drawing metal coins so I had a drawn a whole bunch of them with a ruler in perspective, but as soon as I blocked it out I had to cover all the detail I had put onto the faces of the coins.
I couldn't even fix the different planes because all my guidelines had been replaced with grey blobs.
Do I need to do the detail really early when working like this, or do I just need to have a reference next to me and paint it directly on or what?

>>6265472
Lmao constructoids are hilarious

>>6265472
artlet here but many of my failures come from going too detailed before the broad stuff was set correctly. It seems to be pretty universally correct that you move from broad to fine.

>>6265150
>Brian, why do you only sell on Ebay? Doesn't it make more sense to offer your product everywhere?
its a logistical issue. say i have a painting on ebay and the same painting listed on etsy and it sells on one of the websites. Now I have to make sure it's not for sale in other places. How do i decide which paintings go to etsy and which to ebay? do I split them up based on some metric I haven't thought of yet? I haven't yet found a reason not to have them only in one place.

>>6265479
Someone explain this meme to me.
I get >constructing bad, but I don't even understand what constructing means.

>>6263488
I guess what I'm doing is called "sumi-e"
too bad I don't give two fucks about bamboo or mountains, still not finding the treasure trove resource my heart is seeking, it is probably somewhere in pencil/charcoal and laterally transferred skills into brush work
I just don't want someone's workflow that involves shading and crosshatching or something, when I am never going there and will always blob down tone.

>>6265505
Just using basic forms to create more complex ones like shown in the pic. There’s nothing wrong with it, people on ic don’t actually draw

>>6265536
>to be able to do this
why the fuck, what a terrible image

>>6265536
left looks good and i like
right looks bad and i dont like
this is bad advice

>>6265536
Why are trannime posters invading our comfy threads

Studied some boats. Poumeyrol never painted from life and instead constructed everything just the way he wanted it. I will probably never reach this level but it's finally time for me to escape /beg/ tier. So studying every day now it is.

How many of you sell paintings besides Brian? I want to learn how to properly preserve and package paintings. I'm trying to touch up my preexisting ones, and I recall in the last thread someone mentioned that nudes sell well. I'm not very well-learnt with the legal issues but I would think selling nude paintings from figure drawings would be illegal, right?

>>6265638
It's not illegal if no one catches you.

>>6265638
Why would it be illegal? Are they kids? Are you in a super conservative country? We need more info.

The creation and depiction of reality

The experiment with the tape didn't go well. Lessons have been learned.

>>6265654
Did it tear out? You gotta de-tack it first, remove some of the adhesive by applying it on something else first. There's low-tack artist tape that has less adhesive but they can be a little expensive.

>>6265651
What is the purpose of realism?

>>6265654
catbros

>>6265646
I am from burgerland. I thought it would be illegal if you draw someone naked from a figure drawing session without permission... Although I believe if you got poses from a free online source such as quickpose or the like, it would not be legal since it's, well free.

>>6265669
Anon, you're so sweet I love you. It's not illegal. People regularly sell repaintings of things like album covers. You're good.

>>6265498
And why don't you sell prints?

>>6265665
Thinking about it I might try just doing a drawn frame next time. Gotta go full Gorey.
But my list of shit to get from the art supplies store is pretty long. Apart from different tape I want masking fluid, varnish, and also a pipette because using brushes to transport water to thin ink is pretty messy. Time to experiment with some of the stuff and see the results. For this cat I had planned a clean edge but I think I might actually use this torn paper surface for something else in the future.

>>6265671
ah ok, thank you.. I will try and see. I for some reason thought there would be legal trouble with distributing someone's nude image without consent. Here is to hoping both of us are gmi thank you

>>6265677
Just try not to wrongthink. Thought crimes are still taken seriously in this free country.

>>6265667
Yes?

>>6265680
What are the consequences?

>>6265680
Don't worry they will never catch me. Ahahahahahaha, I will die a free man! I must go draw now and not derail any longer, bye!

>>6265471
You can't really mix colors, so you have to buy a good amount of them. Quality pastel paper (like pastelmat) is expensive. What is costly is the pigment, no matter the medium.

You can hardly use cads and toxic/permanent pigment. Sending them per mail can trash them, unless you use fixative.

Try kid gouache eventually, for training

is a room standing AC unit with a window exaust enough ventilation for cadmium paints?

>>6265858
you do realise cadmium is a heavy metal and cant float arount the air unles you use sandpaper to smooth your painting and blowing the dust into the air the thing that is toxic is turpentine and a standing ac isnt good enough

>>6265970
Note also that turpentine should make you sick before it really cause much damage.

Usually, our sensitivity to smell isnt random; odorless stuff might be less comfy to some, but perhaps more dangerous

>>6265979
it possibly accumulates even if you don't feel sick.

>>6263695
my prompt was "leftists should be used as firewood"

>>6263592
Needs reflections and some clouds

Trad bros we need a bump

>>6266500
bump with a drawing or a painting pls

Just started a 12x12 Edgar Payne study. Will finish and/or post it tomorrow.

Why is so hard find books about oil pastel technique?
I truly love this medium, really, really love, but I'm having a hard time to find good books about it.

>>6266538
This is the one I tried entirely outdoors. It was extremely hard to deal with the water evaporation and it started to thunder overhead so I rushed the end so the foreground is very sloppy. On the other hand the clouds came out probably better than average and it was a fun challenge that I’ll try some more.

>>6266934
comfy af

So I bought some flake white lead oild paint.
What is the benefits of using flake white vs titanium white.

>>6266980
You can say you use lead white while discussing supplies

With my eye I see the world,
and by my hand depict it.
By my hand a statement conjured
not perjured or conflicted.
Other depictions, I read, steadied by my study.

With gestures and position,
tools and volition,
I see the world and works
and study my hand's addition.

>>6266912
edgar payne is so trendy right now, really you should do as many studies of his stuff as you can. especially his nautical stuff and his desert landscapes

>>6266912
>Edgar Payne
Never heard of him but he sure has comfy landscapes.

>>6267017
With my eye I see the world,
and by my hand depict it.
By my hand, a statement conjured
neither perjured nor conflicted.
Other depictions steady my study,
conversations endless, unrestricted.

With gestures and position,
technique and volition,
Look upon the world and works,
and study your hand's addition.

Stop spamming and draw/paint, fuckers.

Word paintings (poetry) count as /ic/ as long as AI prompts do (=

>>6267034
Then post it in the AI threads.

>>6267018
It's a boat one.
>>6267021
What?? and you call yourself Trad??

>>6267017
>>6267023
original poetry? I like it. Motivating.

>>6267169
>What?? and you call yourself Trad??
Yeah, I'm just not very keen on Murrican painters.

Almost there. Gotta fiddle with the hand, trees on the right, and some of the clouds then I'm done.

>Hate having to wait for oil to dry enough to work on a spot that needed repainting.

>>6266980
Lead white is essential for skin tones, try naples yellow next :)

>>6266980
Never used it (because it's a pain to get it where I live, and I don't have time to make it myself). Also, benefits is very relative, but overall:

- it dries faster than tit
- it should be easier to manufacture at home
- likely the texture would be different (tit is hard)
- it is more transparent
- lead has been known to react to sulfur (pollution)

>>6266919
Because it's a very recent medium, it has been around for only a few decades, and IIRC has only been favored by """""artists""""" like Picasso

>>6267207
I can feel the wetness of the grass

>>6267199
???
Where did the American painter touch you, anon.

>>6267543
Nowhere. I just didn't get around yet to look into them.

>>6267484
texture is mostly due to an additive to make them more uniform, unless you are using pure pigment and oil. i have modern lead white in tube with i assume some additive and it behaves comparably to other tube paints with the same additives. titanium white without the additives is more self-leveling iirc and lead white without additive is more stringy especially stack lead.
lead white is pretty stable in oil, even mixed with sulfur-containing pigments like vermilion and ultramarine.

Catbro I just realized your stuff looks like hollow knight

>>6267548
Soon they'll touch you then... in the Heart <3333
>cheese.jpg

>>6267567
To complete, additives work both way: DS's titanium white (watercolor) is very easily re-activable, but your standard tit white gouache once dried is a pain in the ass to get back in shape, and it is very hard (solid).

But as you said, there's a natural difference between pigments, that most manufacturers try to level with additives, but it's not a perfect science!

>>6267684
i was just talking about in oil since the other anon had lead white in oil
https://youtu.be/0QxipYUmc90?t=932
here is an example of pure titanium white in oil and nothing else to affect handling. i guess my memory mixed it up with lithopone white (right after titanium white sample)

>>6267757
yeah it diverges distinctly from artist quality gouache, or student grade oil

from memory, OH's titanium white's texture is resembling to what is displayed on Rublev's video.

did you mixed the lithopone "grossly", or did you took the time to grind it completely in the paste? as I have some pigments lying around, I hastily mixed some extra tit & lithopone in student grade oil with a palette knife, in an attempt to increase the pigment concentration, for use with test paintings.

because of the extra oxygen due to the poor mixing, it it dries faster, and it's noticeably stronger. not sure I would recommend for finished pieces

>>6267484
>Because it's a very recent medium, it has been around for only a few decades, and IIRC has only been favored by """""artists""""" like Picasso

At least you pointed me a way. Thank you.

Can anyone here recommend blueridge oil paints? Reviews seem to paint them as high quality and cheap(er), is there a catch?

Dry pastels on printer paper? I don't want to buy expensive textured paper when printer paper is practically free.

>>6268680
Kill yourself

>>6268792
??

>>6268680
Try and see how it goes. Likely, there'll be issues around the way, but it'd be your job then to find countermeasures

>>6268680

newsprint works

>>6268870
Yeah I guess I'll try when they arrive. I'm guessing that blending would be really hard and that the pigment might just wipe off because there is no texture to hold onto it.

>>6268872
Oh cool. Didn't think of that actually.

>>6268874
Why are digitrannies like this? Holy shit I hate you people so damn much

>>6268792
>>6268880
based deranged schizo

New work I just did today. I know landscapes are kinda meh in /ic/'s eyes but they honestly sell and it's quick and easy for me to produce imo. There's a gallery nearby that loves my art and one thing I noticed is,

If you live in a rich retirement area (i,e like my self Mystic, CT.) old ladies and out of town tourists love the following,

Oil painted Landscapes esp of local scenes.
Water color still life's of flowers (actually imo very hard to paint).

>>6268889

Oldest tech there is, ancient wisdom.

>>6268874
> pigment might just wipe off because there is no texture to hold onto it.
Yup.

Textured papers, especially high-grades (pastelmat, Sennelier card), precisely allows to build-up layers of pigments.

If you have some fixative around, you should be able to mimic this, to some degree

>>6268895
doubt it, im a shitty artist and I honestly only charge as much as the travel and materials go for my work. But I'm cool with it

>>6268889
Good job, anon.

if you don't mind, can you tell me how much you charge for your paintings? and do you sell online too?

>>6268909
Looks good anon, sounds like you are being overly harsh to yourself

>>6268944
no I don't sell online, I just haven't put the effort into it also I'm in the military which is my main time sink.
I usually give my work to galleries in the Eastern CT area

usually between $300-$800 nothing crazy, again I try to calculate the cost of materials and for me the money just goes back into buying paint/canvas.
Also framing as I was taught 90% of the value of a painting as cynical as that sounds. Frame shops can make or break you if you don't have a good relationship.

did a study of Hippolyte

>>6269569
oops

>>6269570
Show the ref please

>>6269579
Fairly famous painting

>>6269570
you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about lol

>>6269570
Okay so seeing the ref..
The muscles aren’t shown or emphasized nearly enough, especially around the torso. You need way more darks on the bottom of the thigh. Also a negative space on the torso that wasn’t included in your study. It looks like to me that you didn’t consider anatomy enough and strictly looked at values

>>6269601
Its just his underpainting

>>6269606
I don’t particularly like the reference but I’d just been meaning to paint it. I did a study of the boxer today that came out better I think

>>6269608
Nah I’ll just try to get a 50-100 for it and be done. It’s really small it’s 11”x14”

>>6269570
Not really a study though. More a slight recollection from memory, to be sure.

>>6269611
This guy has never boxed in his life.

>>6269667
enjoying doing these male studies

>>6264900
>cheap prestretched canvas

true sign of ngmi trash

learn to spend more than 20 minutes on a painting

>>6270611
>good paintings require expensive materials
who told you this or is it just cope

>>6270617
Prestretched canvas is only cheaper than stretching your own if it's small and a lower quality line. They are also shitty quality compared to what you get from doing it yourself. The stretchers are very thin and tend to warp, the canvas material is paper-thin and rips easily, the paint doesn't sink in the way it does when you gesso it by hand and the paintings look flat and dull as a result.

>>6270639
I used to stretch my own they sold no better than the ones on pre stretched

>>6270639
Anon, it's like you're arguing about someone that eating McDonald's is bad because French bistrot food is healthier.

Brian is targeting a segment of the population that pays a few hundred bucks at most for sketchy nude paintings, and who likely don't really care if it'll last for more than a decade.

>>6270676
i mean or just landscapes, still lifes whatever. it's not quite fast food art but it's like, here's some art from an artist. You get to get a bit of the experience of being an art collector for a nominal amount and the paintings are decent. I'm not a huge ebay account that has no time to talk about art with you, I'm not selling garbage in bulk, I'm not selling $5000 antique impressionist works. I'm a working artist, for a lot of people it's really about getting to be a patron for an artist in microcosm.

>>6270683
To clarify, I didn't meant to be rude Brian: those are simply two different ways of appreciating "art"; obviously, you can't achieve the same degree of rendering and technical finesse with a fraction of the effort, but to your defense, some quick pieces have a freshness that can't be captured by meticulous work either

So is this thread only for paintfags or does colored pencil count?

>>6270768
Absolutely, strictly forbidden; I'm calling the mods simply for you asking about it

>>6270768
Get your own stinking pencil & crayon thread, you gimpoid.

>>6263691

>>6271308
>>6263691

>>6271317
(this kills most of /trad/)

>>6271325
>Sergei Bonfart
who

the only thread safe from the AI plague.
never stop, tradchads

>>6270676
>Brian is targeting a segment of the population that pays a few hundred bucks at most for sketchy nude paintings

I don't doubt he can sell the paintings, but when I went to his shop I wasn't impressed. Most sales barely cover the cost of material.

>>6272410
What’s the alternative though? I make a comfortable living but I’m not well connected enough to be a big time artist. I still make more than the majority of artists.

>>6272419
Sorry if posting this seemed rude, I didn't mean to. I frankly think you have more potential than you're using. Most of what I've seen you show is at the level of a sketch, and would be better worked with more careful brush strokes and use of layers would take the quality to another level.

>>6272442
I don’t have a market for that they’d sell for the same price as the quicker ones

>>6272176
Watermelon

>>6272176
bonfarti

>>6272455
you could try going to a local cafe and asking if you can hang your art with prices like 2k or whatever, if it sells they can have a 10% commission or something

>>6272734

Those who sketch with pen and ink, what size do you usually do? I tend to go with very small, A6 size little drawings but I think I maybe should go bigger?

>>6273705
I kinda popped off here

>>6274423
Study of Three Skulls

>>6263258
9.5 i laughed

>>6263293
>how dare these alcohol based markers act like alcohol based markers
Retard

Christ how am I this bad at drawing? She's all lopsided. I don't get how people raw great faces with pen. I feel like I should give up.

>>6276519
You're still symbol drawing, not drawing what you see.

>>6276582
How do I stop doing that?

>>6276591
not him but spending some time training for accuracy can help;Bargue plates is a common training ground for that, just google around for moar

>>6276591
Draw the reference upside down so the shapes of the face look abnormal and unrecognizable . It’ll train your eyes to draw what you actually see and not what you think it should look like

>>6276591
show me the reference and i'll show you a method

>>6276655
No ref left I deleted it after drawing. Looked around a bit and can't find it.

I'd love to see this method though.

>>6276606
That's a good idea, like the picasso exercise.

>>6276599
Never tried a barque plate, might be helpful.
I guess just being aware of it is a good first step.

Another skull

>>6275941
Needs more darks and mid tones, especially along the side of the body

>>6276591
drawing on the right side of the brain

>>6270768
half the "paintings" in here are ai generated

>>6277489
Which ones?

>>6277489
Considering most stuff here isn't low res they aren't AI generated

>>6277485
>>6276599
Don't start with these. Drawing on the right side of the brain doesn't encourage a clean, decisive line, which should be fundamental if you want to get into painting.

Bargue plates are a waste of time, you'll spend a lot of time just copying other copies when you should be using the little time you probably have by drawing from observation instead. Barque plates takes you to the path of classical realism, which is just a small bunch of dudes wanking to the optical aspect of the technique with no regard for design, expression and poetry.

If you must have a book to get you started get the one which most fine-art universities use - Drawing from Observation by Brian Curtis. But nothing beats actual instruction, you need daily practice AND frequent critique because at the beginning you have no awareness of your mistakes.

>>6272734
your thumbnail looks amazing
>>6276891
this skull is also decent, feels a bit less rushed than your usual work.
>>6277634
>classical realism, which is just a small bunch of dudes wanking to the optical aspect of the technique with no regard for design, expression and poetry.
So true, but is it possible to learn the techniques of classical realism without becoming an expressionless drone? How do you feel about the work of Nick Alm or Alex Venezia?

>>6277634
>Bargue plates are a waste of time
No anon, they're absolutely not. Bear in mind that they were conceived by established, professional artists and teachers. You're basically dismissing the expertise acquired over decades of work by Gérôme & Bargue, who themselves already inherited a centuries old lineage, with no argument.

I encourage you to study (at least conceptually) the course on your own, not solely from the prism of modern ateliers. Most of them for instance will merely focus on copying say, 3 plates (easy/medium/hard), from the first section. They aren't really following the course.

Drawing from observation is excellent; having references giving you examples of what you can achieve from a cast is invaluable for instance.

Drawing on the right side of the brain indeed is a good starting point, and for people learning on their own, a great way to compensate for the lack of a teacher on 101 stuff.

Cheers,

>>6277868
Both seem optically impressive indeed as usual with the classical realists, but there is very little care or sensitivity towards the decorative aspect of painting. That is the main difference. They often have sickly colours and unappealing compositions and so on. They are exclusively worried about the illusion of reality and what they consider to be aesthetic subjects.

Before painting degenerated into a bunch of egocentric ideas, it was about the sheer decoration of the surface and the celebration of beauty.

But I'm just a novice in painting, still have a long way to go with drawing.

>>6277971
>it was about the sheer decoration of the surface and the celebration of beauty.
with manet as your example i think you have to take into account that half the impressionists were decorative, and half were experimental. Monet, Pissarro, and Renoir never cared much for patterns or details and "beauty" the way Degas, Caillebotte, or Manet did.

Monet did a lot of paintings that are hardly recognizable as paintings because they are such strict studies of light on his subjects. I wouldn't call them "pretty" as much as "interesting"

>>6262861
aka boomer art

>>6277994
And?

I think I finally understand Cezanne style layering, I figured it out halfway through this one

>>6277489
Well then I'll post my colored pencil shit anyway.
It's crap, but the board is slow.

My wife says this looks like jigsaw from saw.
I do have paint, but I'm learning to draw first.
Maybe that's backwards tho? I dunno.

>>6277533

>>6263205 this one for sure. look at the text and the car
>>6263274 just look at it
>>6267207 the clouds look good but look at the smudgy leaves. a human would never draw them like that
>>6268889 i think this one isn't ai, just a photoshop filter on a photograph.

>>6278467
Lol

>>6278467
Well>>6267207 you can see the canvas and the room behind it, so I think you're wrong there.
>>6263274 I agree it has a bit of an AI generated look, but not enough to convince me it's fake, especially since you missed the background on the other one, not to mention I can't imagine what prompt would produce that. The subject seems very human selected.

>>6278538
>you can see the canvas and the room behind it, so I think you're wrong there.
easy to photoshop. you can probably even fit that into a prompt

Last of my colored pencil crap (for now)
I've got lots of paint,I was doing Warhammer shit and am transitioning to traditional art (because finding Warhammer games is functionally identical to gay casual sex and I'm tired of trying.)
I got to gouache, oil, and acrylic. I got some canvas boards and lots of watercolor paper.
What do you recommend I start with? I've been doing a lot of pencil and pen shit, bit other than space marines and coomer minis I haven't painted shit.

>>6278548
Maybe. The shadow is spot on tho. Anyway, what should I do>>6278553?
This is the last thing I painted, but like I said, I want to try trade 2d.

>>6278538

>>6278581

>>6278581

Does this look like an AI did it? It was my fucked up brain. It was supposed to be four circles to make four heads but the first head became nigger bishop with snap back miter and then I made the other four circles into a trashy "white" girl.

>>6278628
Actually schizo and no I won’t clean my room it’s a storage closet and I like it that way

What's this?

>>6278763
holy shit is that what your hand looks like? no wonder ai can't generate them

>>6278773
it was for this animation i did in oil paints

>>6278904
Shoulda led with that. It's fucking awesome. I'm glad I asked.

Just got done with this oil sketch. 1.5 hours. Trying to paint looser lately and wanted to attempt a painting of fire. Not a show piece but learned a lot.

>>6280966
Posting non potato quality. Anyone know why my pic is flipping after I shrink the file size? Never had that happen.

>>6280979
4 chan strips meta data. Crop your images if you're going to use portrait mode.

>>6278904
KINO

>>6281310
Ahh, thanks

>>6278763
storage closests have shelves that you put things on.

Who here has sold a painting to a gallery or collector? how did you do it and how much did you sell your work for?

>>6282260
Sold a few watercolors to someone I met at a coffee while sketching, for a Christmas gift. I voluntarily under-priced it, say, a few hundreds $;I'd say it was worth perhaps a little less than 4 times that, which would still be very honest considering the local artists' prices/skills.

I was happy to get a customer, and didn't had an urgent money need.

>>6274358
honestly it is hard for me to create pieces bigger than a5 with ink, idk... same goes with pencils, graphite, I use a5 or b5 sketchbook Art Talens and do my stuff in there

the picture Im attaching is even smaller, its a square really small sketchbook, done with pen

>>6274358
this is done on a5 or b5.. I am simply not comfortable with big formats, especially with ink

>>6278467
>He thinks SYW is a way to prove the authenticity of trad work.

In reality unless you have a timestamped photo with your hand and brush it can still be AI, and that's not gonna last when text is refined.

>>6283084
Right, but you forgot the part where there’s an offline world, which is where most trad business happens anyway.

>>6283084
>>6283108
even in online business, if you have a photo of a painting, and someone buys it, and you don't send them that painting guess what? your account gets deleted and your flagged as fraudulent. Or enough people leave negative reviews that you never sell anything again. This so doesn't matter, AI isn't replacing traditional art business.

>>6283157
>>6283108
I just mean in the context of shitposting, using AI generated tradArt is whole another story.

Basically its gonna be shitty because everyone here is going to accuse people of AI art and its going to get exceedily difficult as time goes on to prove it was painted by a human.

This image is AI generate with no post processing other than upscaling.

Loose sketch for a cityscape I want to paint.

I have no idea when I'll be able to paint this.

>>6283162
>everyone
it'll be one, maybe two faggots shitposting. and the solution is the same as always: don't fucking feed the trolls, you stupid normalfags.

>>6277992
Yes yes, actually most of them got stuck in the endless possibilities of the optical illusion of light without realizing the inherent flatness provoked by the absence of line and solidity. Guys like Cezanne understood that and moved on with the knowledge to a more complete painting. Nevertheless, unlike classical realism, the impressionists still had the same concern of design and composition as the old masters did.

Did figure painting, I only had 6 hours and the model didn't manage to get into the same position after each break.
It was rather rushed and measurements weren't properly done as I had to move on but it was fun at least, will practice this more in the future.

Done in oil on a 30 by 40 cm panel.

>>6283947
Here’s my advice, although I find the odd proportions charming, is spend the first session doing a drawing or plan for the painting and then stick to that drawing as closely as possible. Models move, it happens, but if you get the drawing on the first shot you can spend the next sittings working on the light and colors of the painting rather than reworking the drawing as you go according to the model.

>>6283986
Thanks anon, that's exactly what I tried to do, I started with a small pencil sketch, I had to choose a composition because I didn't want to cram the entire model on my small panel, then I did a charcoal sketch on the panel where I measure everything out.
Then I went with burned umber over that to block in the lights and darks and mark some important parts.
Only after that I went with colour but with only 6 hours and not a whole lot of experience, I didn't measure properly.
Still, especially the neck became difficult as her arm covered it up in later sessions and I could hardly see it and I had to walk around to get an idea what kind of colours were going on.

The process is rather nice actually, I just need to practice it more and also colour mixing eats up so much of my time, all those things can be trained by repetition so I will keep doing this, maybe next time I'll work on an even smaller portion of the model, to simplify things a bit and maybe I'll try to stand a bit closer.

It's hard work, that's for sure but you learn so much, I can recommend life figure drawing and painting to all anons who really want to push themselves to higher levels.

>lot of pigment
>good opacity
>nice and hard
>still blends however much you want
>artsy crayon form factor
>some space age bullshit magic coating that keeps my fingers clean while using it
conte seems pretty neat

>Mechanical pencil lead snapped and scratched my eye
Bros…I always thought it was an irrational fear. It was not.

>>6284439
Noted. Thank you.

Probably the most niche painting I’ve done so far but trying to follow trends

Can anyone recommend some modern artists working in trad to look to for inspiration?
Speaking of which, do you think that there are any current trad artists that will be seen as masters in 100 years time?

>>6285868
This makes me think of gay sex

>>6286018
>do you think that there are any current trad artists that will be seen as masters in 100 years time?
I dont know, but I don't think so. Lots of people are doing decent things, but nothing is really outstanding, in comparison to each other or in comparison to what has been done in the past.

Everything in our society is very superficial, very shallow; lots of packaging, little content. It goes for everything, art included.

IMO unless there's a strong social paradigm shift, there won't be major artists to remember.

>Can anyone recommend some modern artists working in trad to look to for inspiration?
Perhaps, have a look at competitions participants? https://artrenewal.org/Salon/Home for instance

>>6286024
Yuck art renewal center. Nothing to be gained from that association

>>6286018
I can’t think of any. People don’t spend enough time on singular paintings anymore the “masterpiece” doesn’t really exist as it used to. Also people care more about music. When you say “favorite artist” to anyone besides a visual artist they’ll name a musician

>>6286092
>Lined paper
Almost too good for that

>>6286024
>Lots of people are doing decent things, but nothing is really outstanding, in comparison to each other
it was kind of always like that though. 9/10ths of what separates a master happens in the realm of brand building and critics shilling for him. although i'm not so sure critics and institutions still have enough cachet to do that kind of thing and have anybody listen.

>>6286030
at least its not the yuck pozzed tranny shit currently in galleries and museums though

>>6286024
To be fair, I am aware that my strive to paint realism isn't going to make me a memorable or outstanding artist. Though I love creating very personal pieces of art for people, and putting in all the skill and knowledge I have to create an outstanding piece that will be appreciated by the people who it is made for.

If I can live from it, I already feel like a success, I'm not here to change the face of art, or to influence the art world. I just want to paint.

>>6286030
Nobody's perfect anon, whether we like it or not, they are a visible flagship against modern the """art""" plague.

Not 100% of the people in there are to be thrown away, that's what I mean.

>>6286452
That, or having been commissioned successfully for a major piece, or being "the first". Regarding brand & critics, it's still the same thing we have today, but it's all fake (money laundering being a major incentive).

>>6286613
To be clear, I didn't meant to be personal with my message, just stating what seems to have always been generally true.

For individuals to become memorable in the long run, they need to do great thing (generally good things, but there are exceptions) and those need to be understood and acknowledged by their peers.

Take Michelangelo for instance: Sixtine Chapel & the David. Both are religious themed, and were created in a world where religion had a great amount of strength at all levels of society. Also, both are quite good technically, impressive by their size and rather novel for the time.

He went famous because of himself and because of his environment. If you're bright, but everyone else is as bright, you won't shine as much as if you're in the darkness. The Renaissance was a period of renewal, of transition, where such people can rise.

Regarding contemporary art, the transition regarding modern abstract post my balls has passed, we can't get much further here, and we've collected a few famous people (I'm not sure they'll last). Unless there is a major social transition, I doubt we'll see great artist rise.

Because again, even if they do great things, they would need to be acknowledged, and if society doesn't deeply care, they won't be noticed.

It's perfectly fine to choose a humble way, and to live from making people happy. Much better in my opinion than to rush for fame by literally painting with your asshole, or tapping a banana on a wall.

>>6286613
>my strive to paint realism
be careful about this, you can't force yourself to do a style of artwork. Odds are you're better suited to something else. A lot of fine arts painters and art teachers go "Sargent and Bouguereau are so great I want to paint like them" without realizing those particular painters painted that way not because they were better than impressionists at the time but because it was their most marketable style. Do what makes you the most money, and what generally you're best at.

Imagine a master pianist saying he wants to be a great pop singer one day. Maybe he'll be able to produce 1 or 2 pop songs that do okay, but he'll never reach the heights of the pop artists that were naturally gifted at it. Sure the pop artist makes more money, and is more marketable, but he should've stuck with the piano, the thing he was always good at.

The pop artist would never say "I'm going to become a great pianist" though. It's always instinctive to say this style could make me famous and respected, so i'll just do that. It doesn't work like that. I think most artists on /ic/ are actually probably stronger in avant garde styles (Because most people are) than the academic art they emulate. When you really, really look at the work of /ic/, especially when they are directly studying people like Sargent, the work is more avant garde. Remove it from the context and defense of "One day I'll reach Sargent" and "This is just a study" and actually accept the piece in front of you as a style, and you'll see most artists here aren't academic in the slightest, even if they'd like to be.

>>6286866
I honestly don't get what you mean.
I want to be able to paint what I see truthfully, masterfully. What is wrong with that?

>>6286925
because what you want to be good at and what you're actually good at are usually two different things. most academic artists aren't drawing and painting that way because they learned it and trained to do it, they always worked like that and their work always looked like that. It's a misconception, you have very little input as an artist as to what your art looks like. If you want to see your art truthfully, look at what it is today, right now, and accept that that's probably how you draw and paint.

>>6286955
>because what you want to be good at and what you're actually good at are usually two different things.
Well, right now I'm not particularly good at anything but I'm learning the principles and techniques of realism because that is the manner of painting that appeals most to me. Through practice I get closer to that desired goal.
What I am good at is the thing I put my mind to and what I put effort in.

>>6286955
While I understand the "don't follow the crowd" vibe, I think art still requires training and technique.

People nowadays can get away without, but if you look at mankind over time, this is minute, and likely won't last.

Then don't get wrapped by the technique, for sure, but that's an usual aspect once true expertise is reached. Most modern academic don't really push to expertise, they stop once they get to a profitable comfort zone.

what color(s) would get me closest to that turquoise green on the wall?

>>6287339
Viridian gets you along the way.

>>6287339
Cobalt turquoise/teal (PG50), but it's an expensive pigment.

It's lighter and more chromatic than what's on your pic, so I'd try mixing it with an ultramarine blue, or perhaps a cobalt blue. Ultramarine being (much) cheaper.

For a less expensive pigment, perhaps work from a phtalo blue (or better, green) base.

I'm less familiar with Viridian green (the one I have is for watercolor, it rewets very poorly hence why I don't use it much), but you would need to make it bluer too.

>>6287359
>>6287431
Yes nearest to that us cobalt turquoise.
However, you can get it for sure with viridian and thalo blue, + white, too.

Trying to copy Steven Huston. Didnt feel like finishing it because I didnt measure and fucked the proprotions among other things too much

>>6288009
Go slow, it's the only way, especially at first

can anyone recommend me a gouache course?
I tried watts’ but it’s the most soulless thing I’ve ever seen, and it’s 100% sight size/copying/whatever based

>>6288009
1. get to know with pencils
2. stop drawing in workbooks, get yourself office paper, at least
3. stop using so much eraser, better draw sketch slightly and then finishing it

>>6287339
you can ask guys in printing atelier or car dyers, they are familiar with mixing colours

>>6286866
>it was their most marketable style
Bouguereau and Van Gogh would be interested in this idea, they would say "fuck you", also this goes against the Picasso works, because they had zero chance of being market success, like any of the products anywhere, because you can't even comprehend how much other infamous artists fucked up with the same style, at the same time

>>6288083
Nathan Fowkes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1bTck96OAM
But any painting course should do; just adjust for the way gouache works

How do you learn to draw habitually? ie making it a habit? I tend to get discouraged from comparing myself to others, and so end up not getting started a lot of the time. I think about drawing a lot, but I don't do it often.

Is master studies a good idea?

>>6288738
microdosing heroin when you draw

>>6288738
Fix yourself some long-term goals that you can hold to. Like, "I don't want to spend my life being a deskperson".

Then, find short/mid-terms objective: this week, I have to make 3 small still life studies. Next week same thing, but they'll have to be better than the ones of this week.

To do that efficiently, you either need to develop a good high-bird view of the field, so that you can design a learning plan for yourself. If you can't put energy there, try to find a mentor/teacher.

>I tend to get discouraged from comparing myself to others
Try to understand why they are better than you.

> I think about drawing a lot
Have you tried taking cold showers? The more you think about it, the harder it is to actually take a cold shower. Don't think, open the ice-cold water, put your head under the water, and take the hit.

After a few weeks the body gets used to it. I think there's a story about 2 months or so for something to become a habit.

> Is master studies a good idea?
Yes; it's the royal path to get good. Pick something you like that matches your skill level, set yourself some goals (e.g. be as accurate as possible, spend at least 20h on it) and go for it.

Then, learn to self-evaluate objectively: here I did good, here I did wrong. Again, a mentor/teacher may be preferable here. Art is a job like any others, it requires the same kind of hard work and dedication than any job.

>>6268955
>>6268889
I'm really struggling with this landscape of a stormy shore, I did it plein Air but I had to bail because of weather and far too many normies bothering me.
I'm thinking about scraping it, I don't really know how to finish this or fix it. Any ideas?

>>6288970
Your edges are too sharp. Have a look at Andrew Tischler's Youtube channel; he has a lot of videos precisely on how to paint crashing waves.

>>6288973
Should I start over, fuck the paint is litteraly dry too.. I used too much medium on my oils.

>>6288970
Don’t paint over it or throw it away. Just hang onto it and study it to see what to do differently. There’s nothing to be gained from getting rid of it. I find seeing my own paintings enough helps me figure out the next step

>>6288984
well I don't consider it finished, I was at the block in stage when I felt it wasn't going they way I wanted.

Running it through Stable Diff img2img is kinda disheartening.

>>6288973
I like his work alot, but I find at least from the surface his methodology is too slow for me. Also too much emphasis on glazing for me.

>>6278467
I mean I see what you're saying, but I did paint the leaves that smudgy in some parts to attempt to give it a sense of depth. I did finally finish it, just waiting for it to dry completely before varnish. I'll get a pic from an angle of the finished piece when I get home.

Here's something else I'm working on. AI's can't do hands well so I'm going to get good.

>>6288977
All ways are good: keep it to reflect on it as >>6288984 suggests, keep pushing it or start a new one.

>>6289051
He has a few plein-air/direct paintings too. Besides, his block-in are often good enough to stand on their own;the guys is skilled

>>6278467
See ma, no AI

>>6289364
Man isn't it great we are going to have to go though hoops to prove our work? No-one is going to belive anything they see on the net anymore.

this is some future..

>>6289481
To be fair, this is just the progression of tits + timestamp. You could always go on to the internet and lie, even back in the nineties. The difference is that then no one took it seriously in real life because we were all in on it. Now the normies and corpos decided that the internet is real life business so we're all stuck feeling like we have to prove what were saying instead of just filtering out the bullshitters using our brains. Social media was a mistake for so many reasons, but the biggest is that the image began to influence your real life. So with the possibility of gain, of course every asshole is going to try to game the system.

I wouldn't be suprised if this comes around 180 and everyone starts meeting up in coffee shops and shit again to get away from this bullshit.

charcoal, on 11x14 inch paper.
copy of a painting by bouguereau.
next one will be on tan paper with charcoal and white pencil

>>6290088
Do you do sight size or comparative measurement?

here is the side-by-side comparison with the one done in graphite.
before doing this i thought that at least graphite was more precise but now i see no real advantage to graphite except maybe something involving convenience (the one on the left took 14 hours while the charcoal one on the right took 21, though my inexperience is a factor in these times).
if the goal is to do a finished piece then i don't see any reason to use graphite rather than charcoal.

>>6270560
bruh you really need to start working on your brush work. your stuff looks fine viewed from a distance, when opened it kinda hurts my eyes to look at it

>>6290094
i use a grid from a picture on my phone. i think that would be considered comparative measurement, although a lot of times i zoom in and turn it into a sight size thing, which i'm better at since i copied the bargue plates this way.

>>6290100
Graphite and charcoal can be used for different stuff, I think graphite is cool for more of a "graphical look" if you catch my drift.

>>6290109
Comparative measurements is some kind of grid, but it's much more involved than using a real grid.

And much more efficient/practical in expert hands

Besides, yes graphite can be more convenient than charcoal, for the king of rendering you're doing, depending on the paper, and what one means by "charcoal" (that's a lot of assumptions)

What might be the pros and cons of painting on a glass surface instead of canvas or whatever else? Besides the price ofc, but you can get cheap picture frames and use the glass there. I'm thinking of what cool effects might you be able to achieve on glass. Like painting and then using a sharp knife to scratch out some paint? Or would everything flow much easier, because there's no rough linen underneath, nothing to suck up the paint?
I've been using a glass palette and the paint sticks to it pretty well, so I'm not worried about the paint peeling off on its own.
Has anybody else experimented with non-trad surfaces for trad mediums?

>>6290403
>non-trad surfaces for trad mediums
We could debate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stained_glass

Main disadvantage of glass is that it breaks easily. Have a look at ACM panels (dibond©, aluminium composite material, etc.) if you want a smooth surface that won't break, cheaper than copper, and hopefully that should last

Edgar Payne study

>>6289873
Nice paper, nice outlines. Eyes could be better and the little fingers, too.

small painting today
>>6290634
Edgar payne is my favorite boat painter. you've probably seen a bunch of them too

>>6290634
>>6291192
like damn just look at it

>>6266934 beautiful,you could try painting a little bit thicker for more defined details though

>>6290634
This is an AI generated image. Never the less I do like it.

>>6293542
You are AI-generated

>>6286092
This alone shows how much potential you have, you could be a fantastic traditional artist. I highly recommend you going through some figure drawing lessons/courses and some fundamentals practice. They will do you wonders.