/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6260169
>How do you do fellow artists with undeclared capital gains
I pay my fucking Taxes Nigger fuck off.

>>6260173
Do you enjoy having your money taken away, cuck?

>>6260178
Do you enjoy being a Nigger?

BUY MY COMMISSIONs

>>6260169
Finally managed to sell something. 3 fucking years of blood, sweat, and tears shed while drawing and practising and nobody giving a shit. Then stable diffusion comes out and I sell a fucking 120 second generated "artpiece" for $300.

>let's have a thread with actual value
>how do i get money with art thread #64568645465463574654646875478994

>>6260169
Where do I find customers with good taste? I'm not popular but I've been asked many times to draw futa, obesity, horse porn, and dicks and feet. Proving the point that these idiot's don't look at my pixiv gallery.

when will /aco/ allow commission threads again

>>6260169
>Hurr durr how do i hide my name
BUSINESS ACCOUNT
LINK YOUR BANK ACCOUNT
OR GTFO

>>6260825
lmao shut the fuck up

>>6261536
>how do i hide my name
Here's an actual answer:
You don't. You basically can not hide your name if you want to sell commissions online. You could make a business account to hide your personal info, but after a few commissions you will be asked for business documentation by paypal. If you can not provide it your account will be frozen.
Unless you're willing to actually start an actual business with a business license, permits, and DBAs using a business account is not a solution and you'll just get into a shit ton of problems.

Just use your personal paypal and get over it. Nobody cares that your name is Roberto Taquitos and you're drawing porn. Most people who buy commissions don't give a shit who you are or what your name is, they just want their furry inflation porn.

>>6261574
Does Paypal not give a shit if you're a personal account taking in (supposedly) a ton of money like someone running a business? Assuming you're someone actually making decent money solely off of commissions.

>>6261536
>Hurr durr how do i hide my name
Ask for Amazon card codes.

>>6261841
That I do not know for sure and I can't answer with confidence but I assume they shouldn't?
I've only made about $600 off of 6 commissions this year so I really don't know. It would be nice to get an answer from someone who does as I do plan to make it a full time thing before the end of the year.

To get a payout from Patreon you need a personal Paypal account to send the funds to. I assume there isn't a problem with all the Patreon artists who make $1k+ every month so there shouldn't be a problem with the average Joe who is making a nice amount of cash selling comms through their personal paypal.
I very much doubt every big artist and porn artist out there making decent money off comms is setting up a business just to sell their commissions with a business paypal account.

That's all I got but I hope someone else can give a better answer.

>>6261841
>a ton of money
I love those hyperboles "Buy don't paypal track if I'm making over a million dollars?" when the anon has never ever sold a $50 bucks piece

>>6261574
Damn. Can you change between account types? Made mine a business thinking I'd get some decent anonymity but fuck me I guess

>>6261997
>It would be nice to get an answer from someone who does as I do plan to make it a full time thing before the end of the year.
Maybe not by the end of the year but that is similarly my goal as well. Although I haven't started taking commissions yet I can say I've reached a point where there is more than enough interest and I'm leaving money on the table by not doing anything with it, but I've realized that I'm retarded and never really considered the legal/business side of things. I also can't tell what's up with all of these other things I hear about PayPal locking people out of their accounts for certain transaction situations when they're just selling their work (not talking about NSFW stuff) so that's got me even more curious.

Thanks for the info/points you could share.

>>6262055
You can upgrade from a personal to a business account with a click of a button once. But you can't go back after that.
It's possible to go from Business to Personal by contacting Paypal customer support and asking if they can downgrade your account.

Just go on their online chat customer support and say "Hello, I wish to downgrade my paypal account to a personal paypal account please" they should downgrade it by the next day or sooner.

>>6262064
Paypal sucks, they seem to just fuck everyone over for no reason. But generally you should be all good if you just follow their rules.
Of course don't use a business account if you don't have an actual registered business
the anonymity is tempting but you're just fucking yourself over.
Everyone uses Paypal for NSFW art, and everyone has their own way of going about it. You just have to be smart and not mention NSFW anywhere in the invoice. Don't even mention your username, NSFW and Paypal together.
It's hard to tell why some people get locked out but again just follow the rules and try not to get into situations that cause trouble.

>>6261997
>>6262064
From what I understood and heard, the intended use of a PERSONAL account is just online payments and receiving money from relatives, so if there are 100s of different people across the globe giving you money PayPal will take notice.
You're basically a freelancer and freelancers are supposed to use the BUSINESS type. had my "business" name as freelance they never asked for any business information.

t. did NSFW commissions for 3 years using a business account

My commissioners tell me things like "thanks, amazing work!" but then they never commission me again nor post it on their social media (they do post other commissions) even when I asked them many times if there's something they would want to edit before closing the deal. Is that normal? I often read people claiming to be commissioned by the same guy over and over again and that has never happened to me. I wonder if they are being honest or if they are too shy to tell me how dissatisfied they are.

>>6261574
You can and you should. There are many third parties out there that take a small fee per commission and there is also crypto. I have seen some cancelled artists being doxxed by betraying customers, so at the end you just are paying for anonymity.

>>6262153
Are you in the US? Lots of people say they use a business account with no issues but the laws in some countries don't require permits and licenses to start a business. Paypal works different for every country. In the US atleast, to use a paypal business it requires you to have and set up a legit business and DBA for "Bigtitcomms_69" so you don't have to use your real name.
Sure you could get away with a couple of sales without providing any documents but after like $2000 (i don't know the exact amount) they will require you to provide business papers, licenses, tax ID and other shit or else they will lock your account.
I mean how do you pay taxes? you have a nonexistent business not legally registered. doesn't the IRS see you're making a lot of money from a business called "bigtittybitches_420" that doesn't exist? How have you been doing this for 3 years assuming you're in the US?

Personal paypal is for personal use sure, but everyone uses it for commissions. I will admit I am not too familiar with this as i have done and made very little from a handful of commissions. It's be nice to get some insight from a bigger artist who does a lot of comms and makes a good amount from comms.
But i am pretty sure many people use personal paypals for selling, why in the hell do personal paypal accounts have the ability to send invoices? Personal Paypals basically have all the tools a business account has.

>>6261574
>>6262110
> after a few commissions you will be asked for business documentation by paypal. If you can not provide it your account will be frozen.
Unless you're willing to actually start an actual business with a business license, permits, and DBAs using a business account is not a solution and you'll just get into a shit ton of problems.
... What are you talking about? maybe things work differently in your country but in the US paypal has never asked me or anyone I know for business information or saying that you need a business license. That goes for things like streaming donations as well and not just art commissions.

>>6262168
In my experience most commissioners keep their commissions private, unless it's specifically to share or a gift for a friend. I've had a few who just wanted to commission me so they can print out the work and hang it on their wall.
you're actually lucky if they don't ask for changes or edits, comms i've done usually go through a ton of edits.

>crypto
yeah no thanks

>>6262170
> In the US atleast, to use a paypal business it requires you to have and set up a legit business and DBA
This is false. Paypal business can be registered as individual, sole proprietor. All you need to register for an account and have no problems is to link your bank account and social security number. Tax-related things will be tied to your social security number.

Even Paypal themselves will tell you to register as a business account if you tell them that you're doing freelance art or something like running an arts and crafts store.

>>6262170
>Paypal works different for every country
I failed to account this before commenting, SEA
>a couple of sales without providing any documents but after like $2000USD
definitely made way more than that, still didn't need to provide business information.

so what is the truth?
>can i use my personal paypal to do commissions or not?
>will there be a problem when i start making a lot of money?
>what is the amount when paypal finds it weird that you're getting people from all over the world sending you money?
>is it better to upgrade to a business account?
>do i need to set up a legit business to use paypal business or not?

why is getting completely straight answers so hard? everyone says one thing, while everyone else says another.

>>6261841
it’s like a bank account
you don’t need a business to have a personal bank account in your own name, but you do need one for a business account with a business name

>>6262194
>Paypal business can be registered as individual, sole proprietor
that has nothing to do with a dba
a sole proprietorship is a type of business
a dba is a license to do business as a certain entity, ie not using your own name
a business doesn’t need a dba, but a dba needs a business
paypal also isn’t the issue, the gubmint is, since they will see you operating as [insert name] without a dba, same goes for a sales license

>>6262209
>can i use my personal paypal to do commissions or not?
Yes. Your real name will be exposed to the person paying you. If you use a fake name instead then you'll have issues withdrawing money when your bank account name doesn't match. Using a business paypal only shows whatever you set as your business name.

>will there be a problem when i start making a lot of money?
Most likely not, but it's better to register for a business account since you're freelance.

>what is the amount when paypal finds it weird that you're getting people from all over the world sending you money?
Doesn't happen.

>is it better to upgrade to a business account?
Yes.

>do i need to set up a legit business to use paypal business or not?
No. All you need is a bank account and social security number if you're in the US.

>why is getting completely straight answers so hard? everyone says one thing, while everyone else says another.
That guy either had a bad experience with Paypal and was led to believe something not true or he's trolling you.

>>6262265
>No. All you need is a bank account and social security number if you're in the US.
your ssn IS your business registry for sole proprietorship in the US
HOWEVER, you still need a license to sell and a DBA if you want to operate under a different name

>>6262265
>>6262277
>HOWEVER, you still need a license to sell and a DBA if you want to operate under a different name
so basically i can make a paypal business account to sell comms and no business permit or DBA is needed as long as i use my SSN and my legal name (not a username)?
I still feel there's a catch, i don't even care if my name is visible anymore. I just want to be able to draw fulltime and make decent money off of it with no problems.

so if i don't care about my name being visible to clients do i just stay with my personal account? I feel it's just the easiest option with the least headaches.

how is Stripe?
I just saw this tweet and it seems like a good alternative to Paypal. Anybody got experience with it? Is doing comms through Stripe better than using Paypal?

https://twitter.com/tsurutan_ch/status/1553321519518031879

>>6262313
Make a paypal business account.

>>6262313
no, you still need a license to sell, so you need a business, it’s just that the lowest business tiers are just registered to your SSN because they’re individual enterprises and not incorporated
paypal won’t care about the former, but the federal (and local depending where you are) governments will

what paypal says you need to supply to use their platform =/= what the government says you need to sell goods and services

>>6262341
IRS doesn't care as long as you're reporting your income and paying taxes.

>>6262346
how are you going to collect sales taxes without a sales permit, retard?

>>6262346
>>>6262341
>IRS doesn't care as long as you're reporting your income and paying taxes.
>>6262341
>no, you still need a license to sell
sorry I'm a retard, this is in reference to using a paypal business account?

So I should stick to selling comms through my personal paypal account so I don't have to deal with all that bureaucracy bullshit?

I just want to sell comms without the gobmit on my ass, I'm fine with my clients seeing my full name, i'm fine with reporting what i make and paying taxes.

>>6262353
No, you fucking retard.
As far as PP is concerned you need a business and a matching bank account. “Business” here means telling the gubmint your SSN and what it is you actually do to earn money. You can register an incorporated business, but you probably don’t end to because you’re fucking retarded.
As far as the gubmint is concerned, you need the above plus any applicable permit they decided you need. “Gubmint” here means all instances of fiscal authority between you and the reptilian jew shadow council, meaning you have to check your local laws, retard.
Generally you will need at least one permit which can have different names such as sales permit, sales tax ID, etc
Note all this is assuming you’re selling commissions to individuals and someone actually wants to pay you and you’re not generating a gross revenue of $26 annually.

>>6262349
charging sales tax for commissions lol

>>6262362
>gubmit
Do you have downs syndrome?

They don't care. Etsy doesn't even require you to get a business license to start selling things. You only need a business license if the IRS deems you to be a business.

>>6262402
>You only need a business license if the IRS deems you to be a business
what's the threshold there? 1k? 10k? 20k? 30k a year off comms?

One artist I used to commission just deleted his discord account, im so sad I would have loved to commission him again but it seems he moved on with his projects, too bad he had a great style : (

>>6262407
600 USD

>>6262407
There's no set law in place that determines the threshold.

It works like this: you sell stuff as an individual, IRS happens to look into you one day, they says hey we deem to you be a business and not a hobbyist, you then apply for a business license and have to pay a fee.

Even for taxes if you earn less than a certain amount per year on commissions you don't need to claim it on your taxes, I believe it's under $400 or $500 a year.

A business license means you can do things like legally hire employees, you don't need one to sell until they say so. Ignore that dumbass sperging out about it, he's literally retarded.

>>6262402
Why would Etsy require anything? What does that have to do with anything? Paypal doesn’t require anything if you move $50k a year, they just cooperate with the financial institutions and let them sort you out. The only reason they even ask for anything for a business account is that they’re a direct payment platform and are thus theoretically liable because they issue receipts to buyers.
>You only need a business license if the IRS deems you to be a business.
Which it will deem anyone issuing invoices for digital goods regularly, you’re a business even under taxable income brackets.
Do you even make money?

>>6262427
>It works like this: you sell stuff as an individual, IRS happens to look into you one day, they says hey we deem to you be a business and not a hobbyist, you then apply for a business license and have to pay a fee.
What happens when the IRS thinks someone claiming to be a hobbyist is a business is they get fucking audited and consequently fined far more than it would have cost originally in order to finance said audit.
And ”what is a business” is regulated by government agencies by field, art is an exception because there’s no agency that regulates it, which is why you have zero protection as an artist.

>>6262427
>business license means you can do things like legally hire employees, you don't need one to sell until they say so. Ignore that dumbass sperging out about it, he's literally retarded.
Also, this is wrong as well, not all business licenses allow you to employ people by default. The lowest business categories are literally a line in a database that offers nominal justification to your income.

>>6262451
>>6262462
>>6262467
you dont even draw mate, relax

>>6262469
>t. neet

>>6262471
u are so mad lol

>>6262407
tl;dr: it’s not a hobby
https://www.irs.gov/faqs/small-business-self-employed-other-business/income-expenses/income-expenses
>In making the distinction between a hobby or business activity, take into account all facts and circumstances with respect to the activity. A hobby activity is an activity not done for profit. This includes activities done mainly for sport, recreation, or pleasure. No one factor alone is decisive. You must generally consider these factors in determining whether an activity is a business engaged in making a profit:
>Whether you carry on the activity in a businesslike manner and maintain complete and accurate books and records.
>Whether you have personal motives in carrying on the activity.
>Whether the time and effort you put into the activity indicate you intend to make it profitable.
>Whether you depend on income from the activity for your livelihood.
>Whether your losses are due to circumstances beyond your control (or are normal in the startup phase of your type of business).
>Whether you or your advisors have the knowledge needed to carry on the activity as a successful business.
>Whether you were successful in making a profit in similar activities in the past.
>Whether the activity makes a profit in some years and how much profit it makes.
>Whether you can expect to make a future profit from the appreciation of the assets used in the activity.

What kind of examples should I have ready when I start advertising commissions? I've never done them before but money is tight at the moment.

>>6262487
just gather your best pieces and slap them together.
if they need more examples just link to where you post your art.

Can someone just DM a decently sized artist how they fucking do this shit and if they have a business license and permit and all that other shit just to sell all their gay furry comms, then share the answer here?

it seems none of us here does comms for a living or even makes more than $500 a year on comms.

>>6262496
literally everyone who earns a living doing anything legal is either employed or a registered business
you don’t see anyone talking about it because it’s common knowledge
the confusion stems from retards thinking a business = ProArts LLC, subsidiary of 1337Artzorz Group, when in reality it’s John Smith - illustration and design
renting a house is literally more paperwork

>>6262496
>can someone DM a cabbie and ask him if he has a driver’s license and taxi permit and all that shit just to drive lazy drunks around

Honestly it just seems like doing comms as a living is impossible due to all this bullshit. Should i just forget it and make a Patreon?
Patreon doesn't require all this shit right?

>>6262545
Patreon can't be used to do commissions. You only receive money once at the beginning of each month and it's against TOS. Your page will be reviewed before it goes live.

>>6262599
not for comms but to make money off my art. might as well go full coomer mode while i'm at it.

>>6262451
>>6262462
>>6262467
>Which it will deem anyone issuing invoices for digital goods regularly, you’re a business even under taxable income brackets.
Nope. You don't need a business license in order to sell, period. You only require a DBA if you are selling under a name that isn't your legal name, which you wouldn't be doing anyway since you are legally still doing business as your legal name. The government doesn't care if your internet handle or pseudonym is being used on your Paypal account, it doesn't matter.

>is regulated by government agencies by field, art is an exception because there’s no agency that regulates it, which is why you have zero protection as an artist.
So if you have zero protection regardless why would someone new to selling commissions and hasn't earned a cent yet register for a business license? At least try to use that one brain cell you have.

>Also, this is wrong as well, not all business licenses allow you to employ people by default.
Point to where I said all business licenses were the same or all licenses allowed you to employ people, I didn't. Hiring employees is a capability typically seen in business licenses.

>>6260173
Why tho? Freelance artist is The job to do remotely, u could be a digital nomad and avoid getting robbed.

>>6261574
>>6261997
I have a bussines acc, over 30k in transactions so far. Only was asked for docs after I hit 2500.
I dont remember now but I think I crrated it so I could send invoices(and use the partial payment option, usually 50%)
>>6262055
Why exactly are u afraid that some random person(client) will know ur real name?
The obvious option is to use crypto, specifically Monero. maximum privacy. But of course it has its drawbacks when it comes to spending and the fluctuations in value.

I just sent an invoice to myself, pic related. In the email u can see the name of the business (artist).
When u click "view and pay invoice" you see the actual invoice.
Here u can also change your name(ic chan), under the business name. As well as the invoice number(#420)

Perhaps that's private enough for you.

>>6262064
>PayPal locking people out
Obviously never happened to me. U can just be not retarded and write "character art" instead of "loli hardcore" I guess. The client can't modify anything or type anything, just pay.

>>6262110
>don't use a business acc if you dont have actual registered business
Thats what I've been doing for the past few years.
Although soon I'll close it and make another one with an actual registered business and start the dn life.

>>6262168
Some clients want their comms to remain private. Either way stop thinking its about you and just keep working and improving.

>>6262170
Mine its an European account. Though I made it years ago and idk if requirements changed. I will soon
>>6262324
I thought stripe was part of stripe. Either way, the best fintech to use is Wise, lowest fees ever. However most commissioners use PayPal. I've only suggested it to repeat clients.

>>6262353
>i just want to sell comms without the gobmit on my ass
If u dont mind the digital nomad lifestyle, look up e-residency. Its what I'll do.

>>6262748
And here's the actual invoice the client will see.

Who the fuck keeps saying you need permits and license to be self employed/freelance artist lol

Is this low grade FUD?

>>6262601
Stopped reading after first passage, you’re laughably wrong.
1. You do need a business to sell
2. You need a sales permit to sell across states
3. Paypal issues fiscal receipts with the name on your account, which is illegal under US law if it’s not your legal name or the name you were issued a DBA for, they very much care. In other countries, like Germany, it’s illegal to not have a full legal name on the receipt regardless of permits, and German Paypal will always display your full legal name on the receipt, business account or not.

>>6262843
https://www.gyst-ink.com/starting-a-business-basics
https://artdeadline.com/articles/starting-an-art-business/
selling art is not different than selling anything else, kiddo

>>6262874
>ctrl+f paypal
>0 results

>>6262889
>Who the fuck keeps saying you need permits and license to be self employed/freelance artist lol you weren’t asking about paypal, imbecile

>>6262889
>Who the fuck keeps saying you need permits and license to be self employed/freelance artist lol
you weren’t asking about paypal, imbecile

>>6262893
I wonder what the giant blue P in this thread stands for

What's stopping you from using a middle man website like Ganknow to accept commission payments in the form of a donation and then transferring that money to your PayPal? It seems like you can be fairly anonymous here as well. Pretty good if you make NSFW stuff.

Has anyone tried this site before? It's fairly unknown but look legit.

>>6262849
Nope. You continue to be wrong just like how you were wrong saying Paypal would lock you out of your account after a few commissions, then you backpedaled and agreed that they don't care.

It's kind of sad really because I doubt you even live in the US or draw, you're probably some third worlder who is roleplaying online.

Again. You don't need a business license to sell, period. You also don't need a sales permit to sell across states if the content is digital media and you have no idea what the origin of the recipient is.

>>6263131
>retard can’t even keep track of who he’s arguing with

ive been using a paypal business account for 2 years and make 600-800 a month, never did shit with the government for it, if im supposed to ill wait until they bitch about it but I don't make enough to get their attention I guess. if they want me to do shit "properly" they should make it accessible and secure

>>6263157
dangerously based

>>6263157
>if they want me to do shit "properly" they should make it accessible and secure
Is it not? Where I live it takes 5 minutes to register as a sole trader.

When doing commissions I'm not sure about how often my clients want me to update them. One replies "looks nice!" and stuff so I guess he doesn't want to be too detailed or make me edit things. So I kinda feel that I make the experience more boring by updating him often

>>6263176
depends on your rate and client’s autism
generally I’d say update after every major step (thumb, sketch, color, line art if you do it) and ask for a green light to continue, then fleece them if they want revisions later
if you’re working for $100 or something, just do sketch and color, fuck them
if you’re charging double digits, just ask if the sketch is ok, if they want more control they should pay up

>>6263147
I don't care to differentiate between retarded comments because either way they're wrong so what does it matter?

>>6263157
Not asking for specifics obviously but out of general curiosity, on your invoices do you use either your real name or whatever your internet name is?

>>6263314
business account keeps identity under wraps, and i scoured almost everything customer facing to be pseudoynmous, you want to watch out with your invoice templates most of all for that I think.

>>6263157
>never did shit with the government for it
that's because they used to set the limit at $3500
or 250 PP transactions
now it's down to $600

>>6263441
and?

I'm a NEET i've spent all my years building an audience with my art, i finally want to cash out. Why the fuck is selling commissions so fucking hard and over complicated? I thought i could just get a ton of followers and then draw big titty anime bitches for them and live happily ever after.
should i have just became a streamer?

>>6263493
How many Twitter followers?

>>6263378
No it doesn't lol. Your info is still viewable in the transaction details regardless of account type or how void of information you made your invoice template.

>>6263854
I'm looking at invoices I've paid and their transactions and see nothing to prove this. You are either not in the US, or don't know how to use your account.

I get money through donations using monero, I draw loli shit and furry shit and both communities have no idea I do the other. People hate on crypto but if you use for transaction and promptly deposit the crypto into you real bank in the same day you won't see any fluctuation on the money you receive. Just avoid clicking scam links because that is every fucking where now

>>6264743
Sooner or later ur personal bank account will ask for proof of funds. We will see what u do then.
Unless u spend all u earn and have no savings..

>>6260169
Best way to shop around for artists to commission from? I want someone who has some degree of skill in concept art, who is comfortable with the characters being involved in a project that features lewd content, and has experience or familiarity with paranormal and monster girl designs, as well as fantasy and armor. If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to shop around a little so I have an idea of people to approach when I get payed next week.

>>6260169
>Undercharging my work to the point of me wanting to kill myself hasn't gained me even one client
>Charging $20 for artwork people have said should be worth $100+ hasn't worked
>Lowering down to $15 still hasn't worked
Bros, what the fuck?

What is the best way to receive payment without risking having my personal data show up to randoms? This is the only thing keeping me from monetizing my work

>>6264818
I have sfw art done alongside the degenerate work, it has way less donations and followers but I can use it as proof of funds without a problem, art price is subjective after all

>>6265012
Literally read the thread dumdum

>>6265022
>he thinks he's smart
What exactly kind of docs do u think u can use to prove it? Kek

>>6264974
Don't undercharge, or if you are, make it like one time event thing. You have to focus on getting more eyes on your work/better advertisement of your skills.

>>6265040
Social media status and body of work, the money from art isn't that big to raise eyebrows but is nice and I also have a day job. I don't think I should be worried

>>6265050
>not one doc mentioned
Whatever gets you through the night boyo

How long does it usually take you to do your commission?
Do you send back a sketch then wait for approval before continuing?

>>6265068
Yes, not considering downtime 6 to 20 hours

my art has evolved since I last made my commission sheet. how do I let my returning clients know?

>>6265195
Update commission sheet now, or wait new year to update it

>>6260169
To any experienced anons, I want to use paypal but good fuck am I terrified of not being able to pay taxes correctly and or account getting kicked in for drawing NSFW. I've been looking at their policies and also what other people do to get an understanding of how things work, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

How to deal with taxes (in the US at least)
1) Taxes will start coming in as soon as you hit $600 or more because US fucks everyone over.
2) Include tax percentage in the commission fee so that's covered.
3) Set aside the tax money in a separate fund so when it's time to pay, you have it all squared away.
3) Register as a business account.

How to deal with drawing NSFW art on paypal

1) DO NOT MENTION YOU ARE DRAWING NSFW SHIT IN THE INVOICE. SAY CHARACTER ART OR SOME SHIT

2) Push comes to shove, use subscribestar for poon


That about it or is there anything else to add and or change?

>>6265269
Sounds about right to me, as long as you aren't mentioning NSFW anywhere on your Paypal they can't prove it.

>>6265068
>How long does it usually take you to do your commission?
For a single character I guess between 3 to 6 days
>Do you send back a sketch then wait for approval before continuing?
yeah, and then send updates after mayor changes

>>6265269
>>6265269
>fuck am I terrified of not being able to pay taxes correctly
if you did a 1099-MISC, it's the same thing
if you never did this, you're supposed to get a 1099-K in the mail, from the IRS
the 1099-K will literally show Paypal as the provider, otherwise see below for Paypal showing you the same form next year
if you're new to both 1099-MISC and 1099-K

>receive "receipt" from Paypal
>file taxes online
>tell tax filer you got a 1099-K from Paypal
>continue filing taxes

offline or if you printed a 1040
>add a Schedule C
>list Paypal as the company provider
>write down (the price if they match your records)

https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-does-paypal-report-my-sales-to-the-irs-will-i-receive-a-1099-tax-statement-faq729
>You can access Form 1099-K from your PayPal account from January 31 and your Crypto gains and loss statement from February 15. Please go to the new (PayPal Statements & Tax Center). Merchants, please go to your (Tax Statement Page).

also to note: Organizations such as eBay have been lobbying Congress to increase the threshold back to the original $20,000, though it’s unlikely to happen, since this change is part of the government’s way to pay for the American Rescue Plan Act. However, there is a bill in Congress right now that would raise the threshold from $600 to $5,000, but it’s unclear as to whether the bill, if passed, would impact the 2022 tax year

TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT
oh, and save $400 at least for the Self-Employed Tax
you can probably get out of it by showing them your "office expenses"
otherwise the final amount will be X + $400 for the Self-Employed Tax

>>6265196
think I'll wait for the new year thanks

>>6265433
>>6265345
Thank ye all kindly for the clarification. I'm still in the middle of checking and reading everything before I go forward.

>Self-Employed Tax
Dangit I knew there was something I was missing.

So it's sales tax, state tax, and self-employment tax too or is there anything else?

>>6261574
>they just want their furry inflation porn
kek but also scared

How do you keep from getting ripped off? Do you take a deposit when doing comms, like 50% upfront, or do you just send low res version to see if they approve before the invoice?

>>6266347
both

>>6266347
>Do you take a deposit when doing comms, like 50%
Actual kike behavior. Don't do that. But I do withhold the high res picture until they pay.

>>6266374
have people never given you a commission, then made off with the sketch/half-finished product to a cheaper artist, or something like that without paying you at all?

>>6266376
Yes but I just let it go and repurpose the sketch. No point in crying over spilled cum.

>>6266347
Simply ask whether they have commissioned artists in the past. The majority of your commissions will be OC stuff especially if you draw coom. They usually show you a massive folder of previous drawings.
OC = trustworthy
boring fanart that has been drawn a million times = suspicious

sketch approval, payment, finish.

>>6266347
I don't start working until they pay. Afterwards I send the sketches for approval and if they decide to back out then I'll give a partial refund.

Anons, I'd be really REALLY keen to see some of your work and prices in my thread here:

>>6266420
>>6266420
>>6266420

Are sites like Arty a good idea?

>>6266267
with actual invoices from either Paypal or Stripe, you'll get the service fee, but it doesn't count towards filing. You will feel a 5% burn just like the rest of the taxes, though.

As a computer consultant, you can declare having a website hosting subscription as part of deductions (as if you host your own website to show off your art and as a storefront for selling commissions/trad illustrations), but i can't say for sure if you can do this as an illustrator. If you have an actual tax consultant, it couldn't hurt to ask.

>>6260169
Don't AI artwork will kill your commission clients.

>>6262168
Many want them private and many are hesitent to ask for another one because they dont know if theyre calling you at a bad time.

>>6265269
>600$
>already taxes
that's crazy ngl

>>6266347
>>6266374
Who doesn't ask to get payed immediately? I never saw an artist do that

>>6267093
Thank corona and the cryptofags for ruining it for everyone

>>6265269
>1) DO NOT MENTION YOU ARE DRAWING NSFW SHIT IN THE INVOICE. SAY CHARACTER ART OR SOME SHIT

This one is pretty much the bible for creators, ITS THE CLIENTS who usually play "cute" and act super defensive or indignant over it, cause they are normies, therefore idiots.

>>6268376
Paypal isn't against nsfw drawings. They don't support acfual porn that involves real people and stuff.
You can run a nsfw Patreon with PayPal. Just have your drawings behind an extra click for age verification and you are fine. Don't mention PayPal in any way on public posts.
There's no reason to ever add an article name or description to your invoices. Just leave it empty since your client already knows what it is for.
t. uses Patreon for over five years and has done more than 200 commissions
The only time I got into trouble once was because my banner (which was publicly viewable) showed a nipple.

>>6267093
Yo how did it even get from $20,000 to $600 is what bugs me is there a way workaround this ?

>>6268471
i think its wrapped up in lowering benefits too, like if you make above $600 they just start deducting disability and social security lol. So it was very much a two birds with one stone - fuck over freelancers into taking a full time wagie job and continue cutting welfare off at the knees. Paradoxically the state probably grew to enforce these constrictions over its labor force.

>>6268471
go ask Biden and everyone who spent their money on crypto and skimming on ebay/etsy
>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/its-going-to-get-harder-to-avoid-telling-the-irs-about-income-from-online-sales.html
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/venmo-paypal-zelle-must-report-600-transactions-irs-rcna11260
>https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ebay-tax-reporting-1099/
it's called the American Rescue Plan Act
>https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/text
>Not long ago, Democrats passed the American Rescue Plan Act and changed the tax code so that mobile payment apps like Venmo and Cash App were now required to report transactions totaling $600 or more per year to the IRS.

Paypal even told you this in October/November of last year
>https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/2021-11-04-New-US-Tax-Reporting-Requirements-Your-Questions-Answered

your only way around this is to list proper deductions but you still have to do a self-employment tax of $400 on average

Also, for those of you in JP or those who wanted to fight anonymity:
>>>/vt/32973516
>Changes to the tributary system for japanese creators starting 2023 will demand them to register with their real name on a public gov web.

https://shueisha.online/culture/52899

I'm not saying it's happening but that it will happen...soon

>>6260169
Do you guys update the client on every key stages of the work? (lineart, base color, render etc) If yes, do you just update them then keep working on the piece, or wait for them to respond/approve the work?
pic not mine

also a follow up question;
is it not annoying to keep bugging them of what the progress is? Do you keep a trello board and just post the updates there and never inform the client via email?

>>6270019
Yes to key stages update. Also yes to waiting for a respond. But make it clear you'll only wait e.g. maximum 2 weeks before moving on to the next stage if they don't reply.

>>6270020
Better to bug them more than go through the hassle of changes later. Like I'm not gonna bother changing shit about the lines once I start rendering.

>>6270023
>>6270022
I see. thanks for the response.
>you'll only wait e.g. maximum 2 weeks
What happens if the client exceeded the 2 weeks, do you charge extra or just put them on-hold/in the back burner?

>>6270026
I don't like sitting on one project forever, so if theres no reply after 2 weeks then I move on with the next step, and charge extra if they come back after 3 weeks insisting on changes. Make sure you make this very clear either in TOS or before taking on the comm.

>>6270028
ah yeah that makes sense
thanks again!!

Lmao sure sucks to be from the USA huh

Any bros from the Philippines here know how to deal with the taxes from commissions? If you pay them at all? Asking for research purposes of course.

>>6270182
are you a full time freelancer?

>>6270184
Not full time but It's my only source of income, otherwise I'm practically a neet. Just wanna know if the Govie won't kick down my door and demand tribute if I HYPOTHETICALLY did not pay taxes from the start.

Where do I go to commission you nerds? I have something I would like done, but I only know of Fiverr, and I'm disinclined to order something from there considering the appalling state of English comprehension on display. I don't really want to try to explain what I want to someone who cannot construct a complete sentence.

>>6260169
will AI kill the digital commission business? I'm a bit discouraged lately because of ai. I feel it's not good enough yet, but it might get there...

>>6270188
I don't think I've seen the govt chase down ppl who dont pay paypal tsxes. Have you?

>>6270969
>go to twitter
>search any of the following
>'comms open'
>'commissions open'
>'limited slots'
>choose which artist you like
You'll either see a twitter post or have their user handle with 'comms open' with it

>>6261841
From what I recall PayPal wants you to have a business account if you make over 26k a year.

>>6271054
Not really. While googling about taxes when I was being very paranoid a while back, I just came across some weird news articles talking about them cracking down on freelancers and wanting them to pay taxes as well, which mainly focuses on youtubers and streamers.

>>6271129
I don't think you'd be famous enough to be seen by the bureau so you're fine I guess?

>>6271155
I sure hope that's gonna be the case for a long time. All the more reason as well to not outright admit which country I live in on all my art accounts so everyone will just assume I'm american and already pay taxes.
If hypothetically I was not paying already of course, so don't get any funny ideas if any of you ISP spies are reading this. haha...

>>6271163
you could say the same for online shopee sellers w/ no physical outlets. I don't think all of them are registered business/tax payers

Did 9 $15 commissions and Paypal limited my account, what did I do wrong? Clients paid me through kofi, and nothing of what I drew was NSFW. Now they want me to publish my ID and address paperwork, what happens if I never do that? Is there no way to take money now if I don't kneel to them?

>>6271285
just submit the IDs and move on with it

>>6261993
That one episode of Better Call Saul where he has to help a furry porn artist who wanted to be anonymous and got busted by the FBI mistaking him for a drug dealer's front

>>6260898
Never, thank happyboy for that.

>>6271295
>letting a fatass ching chong ruin your generals
you guys deserve it

>>6260898
>>6271295
What happened?

>>6271060
>>go to twitter

>>6271611
there's no helping ya

I have no idea whether I should pick up art for NSFW comms or go to university (we have cheap tuition) to bachelor for IT.

>>6271926
Get your STEM degree.

>>6266382
>Actual kike behavior. Don't do that.
>Don't you get scammed for not doing it?
>Why yes I do get scammed often because of it
Anon... I think it's time to update the business model

>>6271926
If you have time, grind at hard until you're about low int, then go to school and draw in your free time

>>6271289
But should I link them my Twitter so they can see my commissions are legit? Or should I just say I do art? Help me anon I'm legit confused.

>>6272133
no need. just submit your ID and bank papers. that's all.

>>6265269
>2) Push comes to shove, use subscribestar for poon
how does their payment system work? can I use my credit card or I'm limited to crypto bs? how do you cash out the earnings?

>>6271064
So if you only make 25k you're good?

>>6272166
They are especifically telling me to write what I'm selling. I need to write somethig in there or they won't lift the restrictions.

>>6271663
I don't even have a Twitter account. I guess I'll just hire an Indian on fiverr then.

>>6271926
Go for IT. The jobs are mostly you sitting on your ass and you'll have more than enough free time to do nsfw coom

Mine if anyone is interested

>>6273646
>yen
why

im just a boy, trying to make a few bucks to stay afloat

https://twitter.com/tolu_not?s=09

I kneel

>>6273723
I made this commission in bb style
The more bb charges, the more work us counterfeit artist get :v

>>6268471
it was 5k a couple of years ago

>>6271054
>paypal taxes
nigga wut
paypal tells the irs how much you make
irs then audits you and fucks you up the ass for not paying taxes

>>6273723
that’s peanuts unless he really rakes it in on the bids

>>6273773
>that’s peanuts
That's 3.5 times the minimun wage wtf are you talking about
>60k a year (not accounting slot bids) for drawing shit is peanuts
Ok lad

>>6273779
>minimum wage
lol
>60k
commissions aren’t full time employment, retard

>>6273782
>commissions aren’t full time employment
Are you some kind of blind retard?
It would if he wanted to, artist being slacks is not math's problem

>>6273779
rate =/= wage

>>6273790
actual retard

>>6273790
>math
Nigger, he’d need to have a demand of 539 commissions per year to make 60k at $25/h. 539 EVENLY SPACED commissions that don’t get flaked on, don’t waste your time in communication and actually paid. 40h weeks just drawing retarded commissions that degrade your brand, you need to put in arguably more time pumping out the shit that actually bring in business, ie original art.
Have you actually ever gotten paid to draw?

>>6273809
>>6273791
>>6273796
>539 commissions
He made ONE com and adding it's slot auctions (prob 200-300) he got $600 bucks minimum
That's 100 commissions like that a year
That's 12 commissions like that a month
Nigger I make 6-8 commission a month, you think bb struggles to get 12 when he has to fucking auctions his slots?
You three live in fucking DREAMland

>>6273978
it’s a 4 page comic, retard
4 commissions

>>6274032
What?
It took him 2 working days to do that $600 shit "however you want to fucking split it"
1 commission
4 comic pages commissions
11 characters commissions
It doesn't fucking matter, 12 like those "however you want to fucking split it" a month it's not unfathomable
You guys are fucking deluled jesus christ

>>6273978
>he’s making 60k a year without bidding
>no, he isn’t
>w-well here’s some numbers I pulled out of my ass
Even if we go with those numbers, it’s half a week of work when you include communication and other shit. I literally made more doing semi-skilled labour with zero job experience or education past high school before going into illustration, and I had benefits and insurance.
And you’re still ignoring commissions are just half of the job.
He’s a fucking retard and so are you.

>>6274057
>out of my ass
It's on the fucking post and bb's commission page, FUCK you

>>6274065
where’s the bid, faggot?

>>6273978
>>6274053
>4 comic pages commissions
>11 characters commissions
so when you cut out the semantics, that’s still 400-1100 commissions that a year

>>6274067
>whaa whaaaa why don't I have anything served to me I don't want to click on stuff waaa
fuck you

>>6274076
>so when you cut out the semantics, that’s still 400-1100 commissions that a year
You guys are brainlets, I'm sorry I don't know how else to explain it
I'm so sorry anon
I'm sorry I just can't
Sorry
Anon
I'm just
Can't
Sorry

>>6273809
What math are you doing? Using that comm we'll round and say 20h for $500 per comm. 60,000 divided by 500 is 120 commissions per year not including auction revenue. Did I miss something?

>>6274079
>I didn’t pull it out of my ass
>it’s in the post
>where
>f-fuck you
Unironically kill yourself, retard. Don’t bother replying unless you’re going to address the points raised or provide sources for your brain let fantasies.

>>6274089
This people is stupid, don't bother

>>6274089
You’re missing that it’s 4 pages, calling that 1 commission is no differ than calling a 1200 page comic a single commission.

>>6274091
Guy literally told you it's on baalbuddy's commission page tho

>>6274093
>>6274095
You’re not fooling anyone, newfag.

>>6274094
No, because that's from one customer. He didn't have to secure four separate sales, which means that's one commission on which he spent 20h and made $500. But I know you're either trolling or you don't draw do nothing you say really matters

>>6274101
i'm ur mom lol

>>6274095
except it isn’t

>>6274102
>look at this 1200 page commission, you just need one commission every two years!
OK, retard.

>>6274109
If you charge by the hour, you could do one commission, say an animation, that literally takes all year and that's all you would need. I'm sorry for whoever failed you in your basic education

>>6274119
>quantifying workload using an unquantified unit as a metric
>pretends he’s educated
OK, retard.

>>6274094
>>6274109
>>6274132
Different guy here.
I did comic commissions and yes, I also consider one purchase of a 4pager to be a single commission, not 4 separate commissions. It's all billed at once in a single transaction, and all drafted at once. The only difference between that and a single illustration that took the same amount of time is the number of jpgs delivered. It's the same as animation comms, you don't bill each individual frame separately and as such you don't consider them all to be individual commissions. One transaction = one commission. If that single commission takes you years to complete and pays out well enough to justify it then I don't see the issue -- though I guess I would consider that more to be a job that you are doing on commission, and it would probably be best that both parties sign a contract so that they're legally obligated to pay you and you're legally obligated to deliver.
This is all completely meaningless pedantics anyway so I don't know why you're getting so worked up about it.

>>6273723
>I'm never dealing with the horror of having a shit ton of emails again

>>6260173
>he pays taxes

>>6274664
Crypto is a life saver

>>6268471
There's no need, with everyone and their mother making 600$ for any random reason the IRS will be dogpiled with data that will take them years to comb through, just overload them with data and if you keep your numbers straight and make above poverty wage then you're fine.

>>6274658
Yeah, so do I, and you’d be right if the context was accounting, but it’s not. The context is demand for work, which is measured in units, not orders, because that s utterly meaningless.
A comic page of 4 panels is not a comic page of 9 panels. You can’t say a comission takes him 17.8 hours on average at $25/h because he doesn’t sell 4 page comics exclusively, but you can say a commission takes him 4.5 hours on average at $25 because a commission with 2 figures is the lowest common denominator of what he sells.
Whether one guy orders 10 of those at once annually or one at a time 10 times a year is irrelevant, but considering each unit a commission quantifies the work on average, while considering each order a commission tells you literally nothing without the units sold, which brings us back to saying he sold 10 commissions with extra steps.
This is not complicated.

>>6274667
Almost all crypto is cucked though, I think only Monero is still good for private transactions

>>6274677
Yes, at least for now before it gets too popular and countries try to regulate it

How do you create contracts for client's with just their user handle?
Do you just do like pic rel?

If anyone is looking to do a non-adult semi-political star wars meme for a shirt for somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-100 (doesn't have to be the greatest quality but I will pay closer to $100 if it is), please email me at naturalselectionistawp at protonmail period com.

>>6275057
you don’t, it doesn’t offer anything that an email copy doesn’t, you might as well both sign it with Xs

>>6275118
I'm just looking for a more appropriate phrasing for it. The client's email is indicated at the bottom in case I need to provide proofs (email copies etc) in case of disputes.

Where do you go to find commissions? I'm going to open some slots soon (characters with items, or pixel stuff), but unsure if DA or like game design forums are the right call (no bites yet).

>>6275129
If you need to take a dispute to a payment platform with a meme ”contract” that isn’t authenticated by an official you’re fucked, they want the people sending money, not people taking it. At least I am not aware of anyone who can authenticate any sort of contract without the identity of the parties being made available to the other, and even if there was one, you’d both still need to provide identification to the authority.
Use an escrow service like arty.ooo or something if you’re concerned about it.

>>6275129
Don't your countries allow paperless contracts?

>>6275149
I'm using a online freelance contract maker to digitally sign agreements.
>>6275142
Mind you, this is all hypothetical still. I'm just coming up with scenarios once I open my commissions again.

>>6275153
Make half or a third of the payment upfront without refund

>>6273731
Not bad anon
I wouldn't like drawing at the shadow of other artists
But style-wise you hitted the mark

>>6273715
you should really learn to draw before you try to make money with it.

>>6275436
that sounds right on paper, but is wrong empirically, there are many artists who can’t draw but make good money because they understand their audience

How do I take a commission without revealing my name? My last name is doxxably unique

>>6275882
Gotta agree with this one. Id like to say I improved first and then made money but ive been doing commissions since like 14, and objectively I was VERY bad but I had a niche and a style. It was cheap though, like 10-20$. Maybe as an adult that doesn’t have financial support it wouldn’t rly be sustainable for the amount of time u spend tho.

>>6260169
Screw PayPal Business, go Venmo for Business
>no official business needed so harder to get doxed
>Fees are smaller

>>6275885
Make a more easily googleable false identity with that exact name. My name is fairly weird but thankfully the first result on google is some other guy with the same name on linkedin who's in another country.

>>6275885
change your name
you can use the opportunity to reinvent yourself
like you could be Max Steel or Johnny Strong or Muff Banger

>>6275917
>us only
germans are my best customers

>>6275938
Don't they have crazy taxes? How do they even afford to spend on art?

I've spent a lot of time practicing construction but not a lot actually turning my constructions into finished pieces. Do you think I could make money making construction for comissioners to bring to another artist as a ref? Like 5 bucks a piece

>>6275917
99.99% of your clients already got a Paypal account they use for online purchases. They won't sign up at a new banking service they have never of before, just to pay for a commission.
Can they checkout with Paypal? If not, I wouldn't bother signing up there either.

>>6275931
>Make a more easily googleable false identity with that exact name
No, my name is so specific that googling it just pulls up results for me and my close relatives. You'd need to falsify more than just a LinkedIn to convince someone that there's a guy out there with the same name as me.

>>6275890
I feel like I have been improving steadily since i started doing comms 3 years ago, working for someone kinda forces you to do your best

>>6276104
are you retarded? why would anyone pay a beglet so they can pay a better artist to fix your garbage?

>>6275882
Gotta agree with this too

Where's the best place to find artists who are looking to take commissions? Particularly somewhere where the artists are based or at least not whiny lefty faggots.

>>6276776
>Particularly somewhere where the artists are based or at least not whiny lefty faggots.
4chan
Most don't take commissions though

>>6276776
nobody who cares about commissions is going to advertise being “based” because 90% of the people paying for them are whiny faggots
even in drawthreads on 4chan, most non-porn requesters are whiny faggots

>>6276371
So falsify more then. Best place to hide a leaf is in a forest. If you're that concerned and desperate to throw off the scent then go full schizo and make a whole bunch of sockpuppets. Accounts are free anyway, linkedin, FB, IG, Twitter, reddit. Go sign up at some obscure forum if you have to. Then generate profile pics from thispersondoesnotexist.

>>6276790
How about I just get a pseudonym for a DBA instead of an obvious company name, like authors.

>>6277057
Also doable. I'm sure plenty of artists do that with their usernames that's more well known.

>>6276562
Holy shit this, people started commissioning me more as a way to give me some support, and drawing OCs and other stuff that I had never drawn before really forced me to improve. I'm still bad, but while I struggled with some stuff I noticed my weakest points and that's where I'm trying to improve now.

Hi everyone, i was wondering what do i need to start doing commissions? I've been growing recently and get messages from people asking if i do commissions. I'm tired of turning away money so thought i should open commissions asap.
Any help would to get started as soon as possible would be amazing.

btw yes i have a paypal, bank account and a decent social media following.

>>6277250
do you already have a commission sheet and tos ready? have you decided what prices and options you're going to set as your rates?

>>6260169
I quit doing commissions when my hate of interacting with other people became too much to bear

>>6277852
so are your slots open

how do i pull the trigger on actually comissioning something? i've been hovering over it for several days

>>6278034
Don't, spend years practicing art instead

>>6278081
sounds like a waste of time since i wont enjoy it, and i could use a piece of art to supplement something i spent time enjoying

>>6277253
Yes i decided to keep it short and simple single character for $60 and +$30 for an extra character. I copied and modified a TOS i found on twitter. I think that's all? Js there anything else I am missing or that I should know?

>>6278379
I think $30 is small considering you're drawing the same effort as the other character in a piece but that's just my 2 cents (I'm still starting out as well.
I see artists use a notion or trello board as a public tracker to organize their comms list, if you like organizing some more shit I recommend that.

Do you guys even get any commissions from throwing your commission sheet everywhere? I'm planning to do that since my twitter only has 10 followers, and I don't know how to get more. I doubt I'd get any commission from posting my sheet there

>>6279623
What I did was do request posts with a requirement for following and retweeting the post. I got a lot of people who would see the post late but still want my art, and were willing to pay for it.

(This was in like 2015-18 tho for like 20$ so idk if the environment is similar for new artists now). I’ve gained a pretty loyal 6k followers, with commission slots (150$+ each, 3-4 slots at a time) filling up within an hour I make the tweet.

I guess the catch here is you have to have desirable art lol.

>>6279636
>the catch here is you have to have desirable art
Certainly. My art is not that good, but I believe is at least on the level people would commission for 20-40 bucks. I will give what you said a try though. Probably will start out at a low price first.

>>6279657
Yeah go for it man!
Also, I would suggest also building genuine connections as well. It has led to a lot of interesting opportunities (and $). With fellow artists, ur commissioners, and followers, etc.

>>6262496
I'm a freelancer. PayPal business account, registered business in my respective country. Earning around 1500 every month. What's your question?

>>6279636
>request posts with a requirement for following and retweeting the post.
Oh that's interesting. Might have to try this. I'm curious though, what kind of circles do you run in? Like cartoons, anime, furry or?

>>6279623
draw a set of finished drawings and caption them as commissions. If your waiting slot is public, gotta make the "commissioner" as anon or something.

Anyone has experience with monero? Can the earnings paid out as actual cash to pay bills?

>>6279960
I'm doing this right now lmao
I have no exp with doing comms yet, I need to make more samples of the type of work I'm offering but I'm labeling it as "commission" on the trello board
>>6279623
you really need to build a following imo, unless you offer your services to drawthreads or reddit

>>6275436
actually, even /beg/s can make bank on online comms. And it's even easier if you do NSFW.
If you're waiting to git gud before you make your first comm I feel bad for you. Because you can easily make money while you improve.

>very few comms this month
>300€ so far. Last month was 1500€ (why is this?)
>got around 5 emails asking about comms
>asking about how much would A, B, C cost even though I have my price sheet up everywhere
>they ghost me
> Created a Gumroad and it's doing ok so far, but have not received my Payout yet...
>didn't take AI seriously at first, but shit is getting so good as of late
>it will be a minute until there's a coomer version, that fuses porn websites with hentai foundry to create great coomer art
>coomers won't commission artists and will just use Ai to create their OC getting fucked by 10 niggers

it's over.

>>6279999
but how in hell does a beg find anyone willing to pay for their shit?

>>6280047
Be a halfway decent beg in a niche community. And I'm talking like....maybe only 10 other artists, and you're in the mid-tier and above.

In other words, be a big fish in a small pond.

>>6280056
Fuck. Time to go learn social skills and develop interests.

>>6280040
>Created a Gumroad and it's doing ok so far
What do you sell on it?

I asked before but didn't get an answer

I would consider hiring a brushmonkey to fix extra hands etc from my AI art, but I'm wondering what to charge and how long such things tend to take so I can get an accurate price for the actual value.

Take for example fixing the mistakes in this one.

>>6280064
It's subscription based. 5$ a month to gain access to doujinshis, lewd variants and processo videos.
Freemium method

>>6280040
how much would a b and c cost?

>>6280081
Faggot, gtfo.

>>6280081
Protip, don't refer to artists as "brush monkeys" and you will get more response and maybe better rates.

Depends on the artist, possibly as low as a couple hundred dollars.

>>6280357
>Charges a couple hundred dollars for fucking hands
God, I'm glad ya'll are being replaced

>>6260169
Who gives a fuck ai is making you all lose your commission's and jobs

>>6280474
Just like haneulpanda he's bitching

>>6279924
Anime hentai lol. So basically the easiest realm to make money in. Except for furries maybe.
Pro tip, these days ffxiv oc fags are like the new furries, they drop exorbitant amounts of money for comms, and artists names spread like wildfire.

Although it’s a double edged sword to the point where I had to ban all FFXIV OCs because it was coming to the point where that was ALL I was getting and they’re all same-y so it caused me to get severe burnout, and I’m at the point where I can ban an entire franchise and still get consistent $$. But if you’re just starting out it may be good to look into the community. At one point I got paid 1200$ for a 11 character piece (the price was paid separately by each character owner) from a FFXIV OC RP server. It’s insane.

>>6281290
>FFXIV OCs
thanks for the lead

>>6267110
Government officials enacted the changes

What do you guys think of monero ?

>entire thread of paypal and crypto bullshit
A&C
arty.ooo
commiss.io
pixivrequests
I'm pretty sure there are more these days but those are the bigger ones.
All are completely user-to-user anonymous (neither of you get the others' personal details) and even have built-in escrow-like systems to make sure that the client can't fuck off with a drawing before you get paid.
They require a paypal account or card/bank information on the back end, and thus aren't invisible to the government, but literally nothing is at this point - any electronic transaction is visible by the taxman if he actually wants to go through the effort of seeing it, you can't get away from it at the point of entry or extraction if you want the money to go to or from a bank account at some point. You can chance it on the taxman ignoring or passing over you, but avoiding him entirely requires far more effort than anyone posting on 4chan who can't even figure out any of this on their own is willing to put into anything.

>>6281290
>1200 for 11 characters
>120 per character
>assuming fullbody and background, full scene
that's really not a lot of money for all that desu, 14fags are a completely different level of fiscally loose but that's a poor example. I have seen those "people" pay 200+ per character for white-background halfbodies though, so it's not like you're wrong.

>>6280357
>possibly as low as a couple hundred dollars.
2023 will be hard for you

>>6284443
>Pixiv Requests
>anonymous
Is this true? I've never used it myself but having looked through the archives I've seen claims that it sends a normal Paypal invoice and thus isn't anonymous. Were those people wrong? Does Pixiv provide any official info on this?

>>6284443
BuyMeACoffee is supposedly also anonymous as far as the client/seller is concerned
>>6284488
It used to require a jp bank account, dunno about the paypal integration

If I'm an underage trying to get some pocket money from my art there's a way to get pay?.

>>6284512
meet me irl, I’ll show you

>>6280474
Why a couple hundred dollars just for hands??? Well if you want better do it yourself? Or maybe you can't promptlet? That's why you need an artist, and it's gonna cost you. Don't be a dumbass.

>>6284488
It's user-to-user anonymous, there are still normal paypal transactions to and from the site but they are to/from the site itself, not the individuals.
All of those sites act like that, the site is the middleman but is a full third party and thus obscures information from the end users. it ends up being two completely separate transactions, one from the client to the site, and one from the site to the artist; all you see is the site's info and not the info of the specific user.

>>6284508
BMAC is also still anonymous iirc, but doesn't have the same sort of escrow/holding system so ime a lot of people are more waring of using it for higher valued commissions or unless they've commed you already half a dozen times through other means and trust you enough for a 100% up-front no-strings-attached payment.
disclaimer: iirc. I've never personally used BMAC and haven't bothered looking into it in a while.
pixivrequests doesn't require a nipponese bank account to pay out anymore iirc (again, I don't use it as an artist so mmv), and it definitely doesn't require one to pay in. Skeb (the other nip site that functions extremely similarly to pixivrequests) still does require a nip bank account to pay out, but I guess that works if you're nip.

>>6284552
>It's user-to-user anonymous, there are still normal paypal transactions to and from the site but they are to/from the site itself, not the individuals.
Yeah that was my understanding of the Pixiv Fanbox process at least. I just saw people talking about the Pixiv Requests feature as if it were different and much like regular Paypal invoices. Guess they were bullshitting though. I've almost got to create a dummy account and try buying/selling commissions so I know the answer for sure

Okay, so finally I got the interest of some users, but I still need to properly set a PayPal account. Anything I should know so I don't fuck up?

>>6260173
does your country uses the taxes in a good way at least?

>>6284612
>>6284488
what you’re describing is how ko-fi works, idk about pixiv

>>6284687
Always send invoices so PayPal gets their fees. Once paid, add shipping info: order processed, no tracking needed.
You can remove your personal information in the invoice template settings if you don't want it to show in the email that your client is getting.
Payouts can take up to 3 days. Instant payouts cost 1% of the total amount.
Don't bother changing your account type to business unless you want a second PayPal account for private use.

>>6284735
>Just assimilates guys, we take care of you.

NO!

>>6284552
>I've never personally used BMAC and haven't bothered looking into it in a while.
>pixivrequests doesn't require a nipponese bank account to pay out anymore iirc (again, I don't use it as an artist so mmv), and it definitely doesn't require one to pay in.

As someone who used Pixiv Request as a creator, lemme tell ya people.

IT AINT WORTH WITH, even with the removal of the japanese bank account boomer fetish, you still cant flst out buy or set up R-18 shit, and those people still hold up your money for over 1 month before they actually give it to you.

Not worth the pain.

>>6284443
Bet ya the former 3 peeks on you to see if you do lolis.

>>6284443
>any electronic transaction is visible by the taxman

Except monero

>>6284687
>>6284735
>Don't bother changing your account type to business unless you want a second PayPal account for private use.
You need a business account to use your artist name, no? So personal account is fine if you're fine with giving your real name to every furry and coomer you're going to draw for.

>>6284773
I'm sure those furries would love to pay you a visit :3
With a business account they get to see your business info in the transaction details. You are still the owner and nothing changes. There is no way to make anonymous transactions with PayPal.

>>6284818
You don't actually need to have a registered business with a business account, or at least that's how it used to be. You can literally just give the client your artist name and nothing else.

>>6260169
ever since i've started doing commissions, i finally wrote an actual tos to avoid fags thinking i'm their friend when we're conducting business, then turning around to do the opposite
it's extremely long and straightforward, but i hope it deters certain people from commissioning me

>>6284853
You explicitly have to have a business if you’re not operating under your own name, because doing so without a DBA is illegal, otherwise if you use your own name, you are practically in the clear.

>>6285588
nobody’s gonna read a TOS, let alone an extremely long one, when they can just message you in a fraction of the time and get the same result, especially if you have limited slots

>>6284735
>Payouts can take up to 3 days
I have Chase for my bank, every time i do the 3-days thing it takes 30 minutes to resolve
that Instant Payout is bullshit, but if you have a major bank, you should see how long it really takes to clear

How do people who give deadlines on their commissions usually handle them? I'm thinking
>1 week guarantee on linework
>2 week if it involved shading/coloring
>pay in full up front, I start on the drawing that day/the next
>work on only 1 drawing at a time
>you get a refund on anything I don't have done 1/2 weeks after I take your money

Customers would like it because
>no paying for undrawn art by the end of it
>guarantee on reasonable timespan

I would like it because
>gets flaky/picky customers out of my hair by a guaranteed deadline
>gets me off my ass to motivate me to finish a piece
>don't have to draw unpaid art

>>6284735
>You can remove your personal information in the invoice template settings if you don't want it to show in the email that your client is getting.
So you don't even need to make a business account?

>>6285931
idk I see some people just give updates on the key stages, if it takes more than a week they give weekly updates. Personally I can go from lineart to base color in a day so mileage may vary.

>>6286105
I forgot to say some people just put a general clause of 1 or 2 months max. If they don't finish it by then they get a full refund.

>>6286105
>>6286109
>Personally I can go from lineart to base color in a day so mileage may vary.
I'm being very generous to myself with the timings in case I've got a busy week, but it sounds like even with that I'd be giving a guarantee on a much faster time to completion compared to most artists.

>>6285944
You still have the transaction details that you can't edit.The invoice template is just the email that your client gets. You can make it look fancy with lots of details and a logo or leave it completely empty, amount only, pay me bitch.
If someone is really wants your details they can login on Paypal and check the transaction details.

>>6285664
nta but TOS is extremely important so you can set limitations and clients don't take advantage of you. It's their responsibility to read the TOS, otherwise it's their fault for not clarifying any details during the commission process.

This is completely hypothetical btw, I'm just thinking of various scenarios
>client pays 50% upfront
>artist work on it
>request approval during lineart/color/whatever stage
>client never replies even after several weeks
>????
So what happens then, do I refund the person or?

>>6286398
are you retarded or what?
what do you think is the purpose of securing payment for spent work?

>>6280474
>for fucking hands
>and the breast position, now that the hands are fixed
>And the legs in the air
>and the non existant feets
>And the waist after the ass is lowered
The AI beglet thinks his pic needs just "minor fixing"? I'm shocked

>>6285588
ata, clients will have to read a tos and agree to it so that i don't have unnecessary drama explosions because someone decided to treat me like a machine
and also so that i can have copyright & terms set in place for deadlines, as well as nda
there are some massive retards in several communities, so it's best to squash them out and not have clients take advantage of an artist simply because they didn't have a tos