/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6250868
pls

>>6252636
Not him but it's not like he's using a method in particular. You can learn to break down the body with 3D shapes on your own without external resources, or you can pick up some book you find in the OP, or any of the teachers /ic/ recommends like Hampton or Huston etc...
What matters most is putting in the work and thinking about what you're doing.

Does anyone a similar tutorial on what the step by step process of painting like this is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg-ggrIZnfw

I'm not Jap

>>6252618
Wtf pic related is from me, I'm flattered anon

>>6252750
I'm mostly curious about the greyscale merging with flat color process

Beg here
Im trying to copy some pictures, but it looks like i need to learn about anatomy. How do you "study" art books like Loomis?
Do i have to copy the same as the book?

>>6252781
Also, this is my practice from last week.
I tried to copy most of the face, but the hair gest complicated.

>>6252874
Forgot the pic, sorry.

>>6252777
I think it's with gradient maps. But I'm no expert. I'd like to know what shades are used in general

>>6252781
>but it looks like i need to learn about anatomy.
find skeleton pics of both genders (front view, side view, 3/4th, different poses), draw them everyday at 70% effort while checking proportions after every second stroke
if you do this for a week, you will internalize proportions and landmarks so well that your brain will naturally be able to connect all segments together seamlessly

>>6252781
Copy the pictures first after reading, then to prove that you indeed understood what loomis is teaching you, draw the pictures you copied but from memory this time. Don’t have to be exactly the same but it should be pretty similar.

>>6252776
Very good art my dude.

>>6252618
I need some good resources on drawing landscapes. Everything is geared towards drawing figures.

I've tried searching for similar artists but I just can't find any as good, does anyone know any other artists that draw in this oil painting style? Pic related is by Jun Kumaori.

who's the brigman of coomart

Krenz inspires

>>6252618
nah, I rather write a prompt

how the hell am i supposed to grow an audience on twitter.
giving away a fully rigged vtuber model of decent quality got me 200 likes in a month and maybe got around 100 followers. a 30 minute meme doodle got me 500 likes within 12 hours but only about 10 followers.

i really dont understand how to play this game

>>6254647
become an orbiter for bigger creators

>>6254647
People just like memes, but then it depends on you if you just want to be taken rather seriously with your art or just act like a funny meme guy. Or you can pull off a baalbuddy

>>6254627
post the course link

>>6254873
This video only. https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw?t=1744
The idea is simple. You want to improve on a particular subject -> You need to build up your visial library as fast as possible -> The fastest way to do that is to do mindful studies of other's people's works -> Mindful studies means you extract more information with less effort -> You do that by identifying big shapes and Accurately recreating them using limited amount of CSI-lines. Also be aware of forms and volumes. That's all folks.

>>6252618
>Anime Study
holy shit i crack on this every time like a fucking monkey

>>6255031
>You need to build up your visial library as fast as possible
no, you don't, you need to realize the shapes and construction, then you can even twirl it in the space and add some boobs if you like

>>6255159
i think ideally you should be doing both at the same time

>>6254627
I am sorry, anon.
I am just not feeling the form here.

>>6255190
Nta but lol I would just leave it as is and move on to what's important which is getting more mileage.

>>6255195
agree'd, his brain will become more active as soon as he moves to another piece
not getting that obvious curvature right was kinda weird, doe'

>>6255031
Anon, might i ask you what pen are you using?

>>6255270
it wont make you draw better

>>6255270
Chalk is better

>>6255329
Never thought of using chalk. At first impact I thought it was a denser rough pencil. Thanks anon

>>6254627
Another study.

i love PS5

>>6253097
>both genders
Both sexes.

I do not understand how to keep anime eyes aligned. And this is for a STILL IMAGE. I see anime and the characters have their eyes perfectly aligned on their heads, even while MOVING. They animate the character tilting their head, THE EYES ARE ALIGNED.
I CANNOT ALIGN EYES ON A STILL IMAGE.
>mfw

i really hate that the japs migrated to twitter of all place, it's a horrible place to post art and it's american owned/notorious for woke crap, japs have their own space for now but it's a matter of time until they start banning politically incorrect shit in there, should have stick with pixiv or came up with a better platform

tell me the best tutorial/series to follow from start to finish right now

>>6256365
Do you using construction? PYW

How do I re-kindle my creative spark? I've been grinding fundies in my spare time but have been bombarded with life shit and feeling mentally drained. It feels like I'm losing passion for everything and don't want to draw anything.

>>6256843
>grinding fundies
The clearest sign of being a constructoid.

>>6255764
Recalling.

>>6254627
can a /beg/ like myself start with krenz? or should i gain some experience with fundies first?
i haven't opened the krenz files that an anon shared a few threads ago

>>6257127
You need to draw 1000 times before even thinking about doing krenz.

>>6257131
i'm already at 700

>>6257127
Krenz just tells you how you can practice more efficiently. The sooner you begin, the better. The core idea is simple: Strive for maximum accuracy. Study from others artworks. Find big shapes, mororize them, recreate them. Compare with the original, get feedback -> fix mistakes. Now find smaller shapes and repeat process for them.
Also be aware of 3D-space.

A short study which i've stopped because I could see the mistakes. I've been finding it art to understand when the character is seen from a lower or higher angle, any tips?

>>6257156
thanks, anon
guess i'll go with krenz by next week, after i'm done with brent's last few lessons
although going from trad to digital might take some additional practice

>>6257164
When you study to improve spacial skill you should use appropriate references. Like this.
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/dragonball-lunchi-cf5bb0baf92145b7a5a80c2fe76a6129

>>6257185
Sorry anon, but I don't get it.
Is it because body parts shapes are overlapped?

>>6257194
If you want to understand how to draw a character from high/low angels you must practice drawing 3D model from those extreme angles. This is how you get the "feeling" of perspective and foreshortening effect. And you must do it as accurately as possible otherwise it's all in vain.

Your study above just lacks accuracy. Not a big deal but you should eliminate this weakness.

I grew up reading and watching Naruto, so Kishimotos highly traditional style of art became my ideal style. But I've come to terms with being a primarily digital artist, and wasted too much time trying to make digital pens and strokes look traditional, when they just aren't made that way, or at least the technology isn't there yet. My counterproductive stubbornness to achieve the physical appeal through digital has caused me to waste a lot of time but I now understand that there *is* merit in digital work, and I just need to learn to how to achieve it.
/blog, just had to get that out there

>>6257213
Thank you anon, i'll do my best, art has been progressing really slow for me recently and i'm trying to exercise more.

>>6256612
I think a lot of artists who do not draw the kind of typical stuff you see in the Pixiv ranking probably feel more at ease, more seen and closer to their fanbase over Twitter. For example artists who have a more melancholic or darker feel to their art.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Twitter, but I understand why someone would a given artist would want to use it as their main place over Pixiv is all I'm conveying. Plus a lot of them are probably enjoying the attention they get from non-asian people. As much as Pixiv tried to modernize over the years, it's still not an appealing website for casual foreigners.

>>6257240
>it's still not an appealing website for casual foreigners
And it's good because it's also making it not appealing to en-speaking trolls and haters who can ruin it.

>>6256321
Great work anon

Just trying to change emotion using mouth only. Also I need to know artists who use 1-px line to study from them.

im about to start 13 hours drawing naoki's recommendation, wish me luck anons...

>>6257678
i think he has good 1-px stuff
https://twitter.com/jusjusojus/status/1553960101450461184/photo/1

>>6257700
He has a 13 hours course? Mind sharing?

>>6257700
Good luck, anon!

Trying to copy from Sora.

>>6257700
I need to go over a course it's pretty long and I don't wanna do it right now but it's the weekend and I should

>>6257700
Link?

>>6255764
Anon how much time do u put on each studies like this?

>>6257710
>>6258198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1og9ljg_9kA

eyeballin

Give me your most honest critique bros

>>6257700
>blogposting
well... im tired
despite already passing 9 hours i feel like i didnt draw a lot, in fact i didnt. i felt rusty at the beggining and constantly distracted also faces kinda took more time to draw them decent, the weird thing is i remember drawing more,like a lot, when doing timed gesture drawings in just 1 or 2 hours compared to these 9 hours, the good thing is i stopped procrastinating, ill try again tomorrow starting with timed gesture drawings, goodnight
>>6257726
thanks cyborg with poorly drawn paws

>>6258331
This is what chicken scratching looks like

>>6258416
is the quality higher or was the quality just as good with 1 - 2 hours gestures did you take breaks exercise go outside during any of that time

>>6258422
I know T-T
I will improve, Anon-sama!!

>>6258331
how about posting the finished piece instead
so we can properly assess it

>>6258331
try to adjust the face shape if you can to make it more feminine

>>6258212
This one took about 2 hours but in my opinion it doesn't matter how long you study a single art-piece. What matter is how many hours a day you dedicate to training your brain.

I wish I could turn my addictive personality towards drawing, I would make so much progress.

Where do I begin anons?

>>6258542
Probably pick a random generic face from an artist/series you like, and see if you can get the proportions of it right.

>>6258485
Drawing from memory aka "recalling"

what's the concencus on hungryclicker, how the fuck does this faggot shit out artworks that look like they took a week every single day

>>6258767
He draws and doesn't waste time

>>6258767
He shitposts on /ic/ and discord

>>6258804
he's just like me, except i can't draw

>>6258767
literally asain jauns

>>6258767
seems to have been drawing nonstop for years, makes sense that he works so fast

>>6258767
Idk anon maaybe if you just drew you wouldn't be asking this question.

Its freakin hard to draw even with the reference right next too you.

stop drawing AI is going to do all the work soon

>>6258878
Okay, sure, sure, relax, relax.

>>6258873
try drawing with your dominant hand

>>6258873
Stop chicken scratching.

>>6258878
I'm looking forward to it
>select X character from Y series doing Z in artist A style
>generate

The future can't come soon enough

What are the best books on composition?

>>6258767
Artist like HungryClicker are fake assholes created by the twitter overlords to create fake interest. it's not a real person. and is only there to discourage other artist. it has no gallery, no about me, and doesn't reply. and is only hosted on Twitter and youtube to promote traffic to those websites. most of all it has no passion. the passion to make anything unique or original.

sure i really like some of the video game pictures and it has nice colors. but do we really need more of character with pose or weapon not saying anything.
yes here is another artist that i suspect is fake. @kslbjn i like the artwork but what type of name is "m" or "kslbjn" and it used no tags and started in May of this year. this stuff is really depressing and frustrating sometimes.

>>6258873
Just take your time and relax. remember to use 3d forms. unless it's a tracing study

>>6258477
It's not finished yet, sorry
Checked

>>6258484
Wow you actually found my reference picture. How did you do it?? Not even I had the entire picture from Google. This is kinda embarrassing haha.
But yeah, I will adjust the face better then. Thank you so much!!!

>>6258981
literally unironic schizophrenia
did AI really mindbreak you this hard??
kek and lel (and lmao)

>>6259003
No i'm not the AI fag. you don't even use twitter so your opinion does'nt even matter kek.

>>6258981
he got like 3 pixivs and did works for big corps brother

>>6258767
>took a week to make
lol they don't
You can do such work in a matter of hours, but you're lacking critical information

I'll tell you the super secret recipe
>start drawing poses
>use a lot of references for poses
>take character from videogame
>slap it on the reference
>put in the least amount of creative effort in the pictures
basically just draw fotm characters floating in the void
>start making works until you have a substantial backlog
>start posting once a day
Hungryclickers works are not that complex and only wow beginners and normies.

But he's basically proof that consumers are braindead retards and only care about consuming products through other consumer media.
>inb4 crabbing
No, i'm just observing.
Copy him and you'll be guaranteed to be twitter famous.

>>6259029
>>6258981
PYW
Let's see how "creative" you are.

>>6259043
Now follow and donate to my patreon

>>6258873
Pick a better reference. Anything below the waist is fucked.

>>6259063
>>6259029
nodraw permabeg. as usual.

>>6259028
Well shit, now I feel stupid. What type of stuff did he work on?

>>6259063
I'll legit retweet this type of shit if you have a Twitter and kept consistent with Fotm stuff. I hate new trending shit

>>6259090
>nodraw
i see none of your work though

>>6258981
it's just 5 asians in a trenchcoat

>>6259095
did a few promotional pieces for overwatch and one for the new yakuza game not too long ago

>>6259098
kek that's not half a bad idea
It would be really funny to create fake hype and comments around this type of garbage and telling normies that if they don't like this they just got bad taste

it would be even more funny if the profile got traction and copycats started popping up

>>6259121
>It would be really funny to create fake hype and comments around this type of garbage and telling normies that if they don't like this they just got bad taste

you can't do that, you have no power, you are talentless, seethe, cope, dilate

>>6258981
>no social media presence other than his art
this is why he's actually good and you're a nobody gossiping about him on an anonymous imageboard

>>6259137
>mention something funny many artists do to legit cheat the system and earn money
>discord tranny spergs out
My left nut has more talent than you

>>6259156
>My left nut has more talent than you
sure thing, pyw to prove it

>>6259161
>>6259063
The nuance is probably lost on you since you have no taste or any artistic capabilities besides consuming pretty pictures.

If you don't post yours, you can't do better than that.

>>6259168
looks like you used someone else's work then, ripping off shit is your artistic merit i take? pic related is mine, we're not in the same hemisphere buddy, you have no worth whatsoever as an artist nor as a human being and need to blow your brain the fuck out so african children can take your share of oxygen to make the world a better place

>>6259174
That you feel threatened by that picture only shows how shallow, untalented and uncreative you are
My picture has more artistic impact than yours will ever have, just by your reaction alone.
It has essence, and it has meaning beyond just
>edgy skull pls like n subscribe
also it's ai generated which shows how talentless you are in creative artwork even if you got a computer to do all the work for you.

I consider this picture >>6259063 to be more artistically valuable than yours.
You have no hemispheres, pal, just hot air.

>>6259191
>also it's ai generated which shows how talentless you are in creative artwork even if you got a computer to do all the work for you.

sorry to break it to you nigga the tool is irrelevant, at least i worked hard on my prompt and didn't literally copy and paste a pre drawn face in an art piece, if you knew anything about art you would know that plagiarism automatically rid your shit of any value.

btw i know full well you're trying to meme hard but you're just coming off as an unintelligent, unfunny, seething loser, and probably underage

>>6259208
>literally copy and paste a pre drawn face in an art piece
As i said, the nuance goes over your head because you're artistically illiterate and you just throw around legal terms without knowing much of anything on how laws work.
That piece is still fair use, no matter how many mental gymnastics you make.
>anyone who disagrees with me is trying to meme
>[insert ad hominem here]
Ok, i'm still superior to you though. You throwing insults only shows how you feel threatened by me on a subconscious level that you need to drag me down through baseless assumptions to devalue me as an individual rather than discuss my work.

Art is not for you. You will never create anything besides bland consumer products due to your weak mentality you showed everyone today.

>>6259208
Kek anons are unironically posting ai generated prompts as their work now ic is about to enter a new era of trash

can you guys go back to one of the 35 ai threads? this is an anime study thread.
whats the point of prompting when you cant even read

>>6258767
this anon's right>>6259029
pretty sure hungryclicker just has a shit ton of experience and optimized workflow to draw faster, otherwise, he probably made the thing in advance or his main and only hobby is just drawing

>>6259147
Calm down shit head. I'm playing a videogame and just had diarrhea. I'm allowed to post here all I want. And I'm adding criticism and critiques. We are not obligated to post work. I'm preparing for game dev work now.

>>6258981
>remember to use 3d forms. unless it's a tracing study
nta but wdym by this? should i use a 3d model but never trace it?

>>6259233
>As i said, the nuance goes over your head because you're artistically illiterate and you just throw around legal terms without knowing much of anything on how laws work.
>That piece is still fair use, no matter how many mental gymnastics you make.
that piece is 100% illegal and the fact you said it's fair use only shows how ignorant you are about the matter, you don't know anything about how society or laws work buddy.

>ok i'm still superior to you because i'm a deluded retard
sure thing, the reason your work wasn't discussed was because it's something completely devoid of artistic merit. i don't discuss plagiarism under whatever circumstances.

>baseless assumptions to devalue me as an individual
the fact that you think your art doesn't represent you as an individual only shows that you know nothing about art, you don't even know what art is so don't bother comment on my stance.

>>6259238
i'm here to discuss anime generating prompts, stupid boomer

>>6259249
That's right. You should practice by observing what you see. That's what I do with 90% accuracy. If you trace you lose that flow.

>>6259256
>the fact you said it's fair use only shows how ignorant you are about the matter
So, if i say that i didn't commit a murder makes me guilty of the murder?
lmao
>it's something completely devoid of artistic merit.
Then you really don't understand art.
>the fact that you think your art doesn't represent you as an individual
Drawing a fictional crime doesn't make me a criminal.
If you think art has to be a virtual expansion of yourself rather than an expression, you're not better than a bot.
lol

I will not reply to you anymore since you showed how mentally and artistically held back and how incredibly wrong about everything you are.
Don't bother replying, you're only going to vomit more insults and prove even more how humanely and intellectually underdeveloped you are.

>>6259273
>i'm here to discuss anime generating prompts
which are not studies. get out.

>anime study general
>niggas coming here asking if anyone wants to help them fine tune their google image search results instead
how /ic/ has fallen

>>6259283
>So, if i say that i didn't commit a murder makes me guilty of the murder?
you can't even into reading comprehension, why am i not surprised, your iq obviously is below 50

>Then you really don't understand art.
yeah talk more gribberish maybe one day another intellectually deficit loser will buy your crap

>Drawing a fictional crime doesn't make me a criminal.
yes but it shows your world view and understanding of the subject matter, sorry your undeveloped brain can't comprehend what i implied

>I will not reply to you anymore since you showed how mentally and artistically held back and how incredibly wrong about everything you are.

>i'm too retarded to keep going after being outed for my lack of intellect and artistic knowledge, i-i can't embarrass myself anymore

>Don't bother replying, you're only going to vomit more insults and prove even more how humanely and intellectually underdeveloped you are.

>p-please stop calling me stupid and throw more insults as me, as i throw more insults at you

you're just a failure of humanity, can't believe all that evolution and we got you as a member of our species, hope you end yourself soon mate

Don't reply to tourist /g/ niggers.

>>6259063
Pussy probably draws a fair bit but too afraid to get cancelled for dissing hungry

>>6259272
thats kinda challenging since most of my artworks have 3d model at its base, mind you it looks like /beg/ but ever since i train my fundies in trad, ive never draw in digi in a while but drawing a character without a guide (3d model) is just somehow making me nervous because i can see it's shit, like i can see something's off with the perspective and other things but its hard to be accurate

>>6259236
it doesnt take a retard to know its a bait at that point
dont know why he still replies to him

>>6259344
Cause both were baits, the other retard asked him to seriously critique the clown pic

>>6252781
Frazetta copied all the pictures in Bridgman. Everyone learns different.

>>6259335
I know how you feel. I feel like that sometimes too. But I started to draw with people and friends online. And it helped me learn to relax and have fun drawing. But doing studies still gives me anxiety sometimes. Most people don't care if you post a bad drawing. I think even some of my wonky shit gets more likes than doing something professional.

>>6259382
i guess i should try to draw more for fun and participate more in the discord art chat that i joined several months ago since i rarely use the app
also, thanks anon

Study for today.

>>6259541
Construct fingers.

>>6259565
fuck off, constructoid retard

>>6259569
YOU.

>>6259565
I was out of time. And tomorrow new 5-day term starts focusing on folds and drapery.

>>6259569
pyw

>>6258226
Thanks

>>6259594
Is this from imagination?
Your foreheads are small. Consider giving them extra space.

>>6259594
>tomorrow new 5-day term starts focusing on folds and drapery
what plan are you doing?

How high accuracy am I supposed to aim for when doing the krenz study thing? If I map out too much shit it feels like I'm just doing advanced tracing with extra steps, on top of it taking forever.

>>6259569
Stay beg nigger

can someone explain the Krenz method to me slowly I am really fucking dumb.

>>6259831
Are you searching for this?

>>6259854
yes, thanks

>>6258427
>is the quality higher or was the quality just as good
i think it is similar except for the face, the thing with gesture is that i dont draw it exactly as the reference as long as it captures the pose,also i dont draw complete faces just a loomis head to indicate perspective, if i want to draw a face i spend a decent amount of time, kinda frustrating
>did you take breaks exercise go outside during any of that time
yeah i went outside to buy dinner and took small breaks

>>6259063
>big boobs
>basic pinup pose
>moe face
Looks pretty derivative to me brother.

>>6259664
Just working on my weak points as usual. The main difference is focusing on one subject for at least 5 days. And striving for accuracy. And recalling what I've drawn the next day.

the more I draw the more depressed I become.

watched some japanese illustrator and I already couldn't keep up after 30 seconds of the video start.

>>6260285
you're not asian. simple as.
imagine competing in actual wrestling with steppe mongols, or trying to outrun a kenyan
and just like that
you'll NEVER draw anime. Ever.

I don't remember this general having this many schizos

can anyone try to make separate window in csp? mine crashed if I do so.

>>6260322
works fine for me (1.12.3). which version do you have?

>>6260328
downloaded the latest version and the same thing happened. I tried with various image and the result were same. restarting my pc didn't work either.

I'm pretty sure it still worked properly before they announced the subscription model.

>>6260333
strange. have you considered a reinstall?
you do mean Window>Canvas>New Window, right?

>>6260345
nope, still the same
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: CLIPStudioPaint.exe
Application Version: 1.12.3.0
Application Timestamp: 62b020cb
Fault Module Name: USER32.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.1.7601.23594
Fault Module Timestamp: 5824a140
Exception Code: c000041d
Exception Offset: 0000000000019ac9

>>6260296
Stop trolling, crab.
>>6260285
PYW

>>6260354
hmm, no idea, sorry. might be worth posting over on their support page:
https://ask.clip-studio.com/en-us/

>>6260358
pic related, don't laugh too hard it's not good for the body

>>6260383
she looks like she's all boobs and no body

>>6260383
shoulder axis does not relate to boob/nipple axis, hwat is in the area between the raised shoulder and the round boob?
the way the right arm and boob interact could only be possible if the boob is paper thin, try to imagine the way you would place your elbow in the first place, and in which way would boobs interact with that

>>6260387
Exaggeration bias

>>6260404
criticism deflection

>>6260383
What you don't like about this picture? Also try another shading. https://ichi-up.net/2016/092

>>6260383
Good work. You can easily improve your skill by studying shading. Try copying artists you like as accurately as possible.

>>6260383
>fotm smiling on the void without saying anything
no creativity and your anatomy is shit

>>6260450
>Environment
>Background
>Pose
He's insanely creative for ITT.

>>6260451
english second language monkey

>environment
>background
literally the same thing
>beach
generic as fuck
>pose
theres nothing creative about that pose

you know nothing

>>6260383
my pointers. not perfect by any means but still hope you can draw your own conclusions from this.

>>6260463
thanks, I came out pretty fine in my head but I just couldn't depict them as good as in my thought.

>>6260406
I'm not the artist you "critiqued" on

>>6260632
White Knight

>>6260634
Yes and I'm tired of dumb exaggerated critiques

>>6258767
https://youtu.be/w4yIjR5vdAM?t=132

i notice he just paints over the line layer as he goes, should i try this too or is it too risky? actually this guy looks like he's doing everything on 1 layer

>>6260455
okay sweeatie, share your creative works with the class, oh yeah i though that.

>>6261196
Cute!!

I kneel.

>>6259541
Shoulders are pretty broad for a woman

>>6260383
theres toncs of things that yuou need to consider if you want to be accurate as possible, your drawing is already good enough to not be called shit or super beg, is beg btw, but remember to put more effort on the seelling point, in this case is the tits.
Heres some tips, remember that tits are soft and not ballons, you need some low-mid INT level of 3D understanding,in your pic you are not taking into account , the table making the lower part of the boobs completely circular, the arm should be pushing the left tit which would push the other tit but it would be restrained by her bra, but because of this force it would cause skin dentation how strong depends on the size of her boobs and the pression and space, in this case her arm is almost working as a wall and the table is also pushing a bit and raising the arms adds too, so as you can see theres lots of things to take into consideration.
I would say this is well enough, but realize that it can be better, it's not bad just ... okay.

>>6262029
funny I've been /beg/ my entire life.

>>6261787
>t. never seen a woman

>>6260299
your memory is blessedly short then

>>6262054
...??

>>6260359
Oh god, apparently I need to "upgrade" my OS to fix it, so I switched to windows 10.

God what a nightmare, lag in every lines even with all program closed and windows can disturb you mid session for literal advertising.

if you have a similar problem as mine, don't upgrade!

>>6260383
you can't draw

>>6262202
How about telling me something I don't already know.

>>6262206
just wanted to remind you of that

This very general says that you need to
>draw a lot before starting Krenz
but also
>the sooner you start it the better
So for a beglet such as myself what's the course of action? The OP says that
>Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
I can barely construct as it is - Only thing done from reference here is the bottom one. Should I just grind boxes and study my fav artists with the Krenz method? I honestly have no goddamn clue on what to do
I'd love to draw stuff like https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99927475

>>6262217
learn how to draw in 3D and study anatomy, thats it, you made it.

>>6262217
don't bother, you're ngmi

>>6262231
I don't care about making it, I only care about improving and that's fun to me
>>6262229
Well yeah but what road to take there

>>6262232
>I don't care about making it, I only care about improving and that's fun to me
alright, but you will never draw shit like that pixiv just thought i'd let you know

>>6262232
theres millions of ways to learn that, drawing boxes,circles,forms etc... are the easiest, drawing randomly forms is retarded, you need to have something in mind when you are practicing.
Give me something you don't understand from a body `part or anything and i will try to explain you what you should do.

>>6262233
Still don't care honestly. The only thing I care about is improving, everything else is just consequence of that.

>>6262236
I'm just curious on when I should be doing the Krenz exercises. Do I start them now while I learn everything else or do I hold on and wait for when I have a better grasps of the fundies?

>>6262239
>I'm just curious on when I should be doing the Krenz exercises

which one

>>6262245
All of it.

Honestly you guys are so bad at drawing it's pathetic.

>>6262249
the copy part, has like a step below to train your observation skills or something, the only part that you are going to have problems is the construction part, that part is low int stuff but if you are at that level you won't need krenz or loomis or anything.

Just a reminder.
Your current skill level is not important at all. What's important is how fast it will grow in the future.

>>6262318
cope, you either have it or you don't

>>6262318
Jokes on you, my ability to grow is even worse than my current skill level.

was just browsing the catalog and saw this
some anons might find these useful
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bz2oiGlP6fo2ekZfTXJQem9ZVDQ?resourcekey=0-Ka2lyItTJcp35l46Mb35Ag
or just check the thread >>6262653

>>6262839
Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.

anything wrong with this

>>6262884
personal nitpick
the sharp nails looks unappealing

>>6262887
thanks you're right they are probably too sharp

>>6262887
I think they are nice, the problem is that it looks more like stretched sharp fingers rather than nails, since he's using exactly the same tone as the skin

just wanted to ask if studying with the images in the google drive below would help? or if i should study copy off of anime art instead

also if anyone wants it, i can send the whole drive with other anatomy references

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bttgZHHQ0QMMs6iEt2uyyC4vmDBnGr_i

>>6262929
>also if anyone wants it, i can send the whole drive with other anatomy references
Link please?
>copy off of anime art instead
Isn't this stuff from Manga Materials? I would say it's already pretty anime.

>>6262947
>Isn't this stuff from Manga Materials? I would say it's already pretty anime.
to be more specific, most people here copy off of anime illustrations or anime 3d models. i'm not sure if anatomy studies count, so that's why i was asking :D

>Link please?
okay, so since i have way too much time, let me sort this out for you:

(1) link to the all the anatomy refs i'm referring to
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EG7PnVhb9ANxdLnFsGc5XClRYSAxRM8W

(2) absolute monstrosity, way too many resources for me to finish sorting through
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ni1IJgiHljs-6uClacn0K9hsCSRuJrfD

AXXX - CG Drawing Collection
BXXX - Animations & Settings
CDXXX - Tutorials & E-books
ZXXX - Advanced Resources

nabbed the link off of someone who posted a video in their review on shopee, and showed the drive link. what i had to do from there was type out every single character in the link individually into the bar and walah

(shopee link: https://shopee.com.my/arttheowl?categoryId=100644&itemId=12494823281))

>>6262975
Hoooly shit anon this is crazy. This is very much appreciated.
Anyway to answer your question, I'd just do both tb h. Use the anatomy studies for learning general structure then look at anime art for ideas on poses, rendering, lighting etc.

>>6252618
The copy recklessly aspect is what's fucking me. I can replicate something decently but it takes eons and I lack any efficiency.

I'm wondering if you guys have anything regarding the drawing process, moving from gestures to colours. I get that's so general, but that's where I fail. My linework is shit too..

>>6263077
>I can replicate something decently but it takes eons and I lack any efficiency.
post copy

>>6262884
hand is fucked up, the pinkie is in the wrong direction, when the pinkie is closing it goes inwards facing the center of the palm, viceversa when is opening, the index finger looks like its on a profile view, thumb is fucked too, the lower part of the forearm is visible so her arm looks like this_/ making the folds in the arm unnatural, the scarf is okay but i would suggest some more volume. Were you trying to foreshorten the hand? theres a zabaniya version too!

>>6262929
>just wanted to ask if studying with the images in the google drive below would help?

yes

>>6262884
everything, you cant draw

I CAN'T DRAW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

>>6257700
wait what is this naoki recommendation?

>>6262975
Damn dude there's so much stuff here I don't know where to begin

>>6263182
NTA but oh wow. Teach me your ways anon.

>>6263182
Great stuff man. Think you can critique mine too? I used a reference but I might have fucked up on my own here and there.

How to get good at drawing guys? (NOT TRAPS/FEMBOYS)

>>6263259
The nipple is too dark

This is my first time doing one of these.
I messed up her face, lower body and the positioning of her right arm.

>>6263477
Reposting because it wasn't properly aligned

>>6263259
the major problem for me is the waist area, idk if you used a 3dpd or anime ref but this muscle(orange on thispic) it's being squished too hard for a standing position, and the way you shaded that area it looks like her upper body is connected by cylinders to her pelvis, then theres the face, is way too wide, look at that fucking jaw, the angle is from below so the lower/underneath part of her chin should be vissible, forearm in the left is a bit too large, i think the tits are way to high.
After this its mostly a stlystic choice i think but her butt just look like 2 ballons, the way you shaded again makes the the area look flat, that diamond shape in top of her ass crack is missing it almost look like her buttchecks are connected at the top.Post ref

>>6263182
thanks for the feedback anon but that hand wasn't what i went for, i went for something like pic related

>>6262975
Thanks for the link. What artists do you recommend? I already downloaded yoneyama and zeen chin. If someone can upload the entire thing on mega that wiuld be great! Shit could replace the current mega.

>>6263797
>a Hideo Kojima production

>>6256365
I've learned that you just have to fix it, anon. This applies to everything. Mirror that shit, rotate canvas, zoom, scale, erase, draw... Keep going until you get it right.

>>6263804
i mainly look at the shopee page & pick out which ones i like, ctrl+f and download them. since i'm not sure what type of art styles you're after, have my personal favourites

A34-DSマイル
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GBiMxwPPk1x90UvVaZIi1yaoVg6PLT5v

A175-あるてら
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xz6ynlVsYT0HeNch2utKqVxo7JLDWSyO

A97-Neco
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18fXg2tqNI-BgfezxOmeLcbnBetq4VrQa

A154-TORINO
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1G2uKjmxfJcus2GVeaYkk_A3ieI9lBgyC

I can't read japanese, how do I learn from japanese book

>>6263884
https://youtu.be/Vv234kZdBgs

Can anyone recommend me artists that have a Western flare to their art (More on the cartoony side but less cartoony than something like Panty and Stocking)?

>>6263918
That just happens to be my exact interest.
Yoshinari is great, but you probably already know about him if you're asking this.
I'd recommend looking into stuff from the 60's to early 80's, specially manga. The western cartooning influence was a lot more visible back then and it's a really nice look, specially the gesture and shape design. Some of it can be a bit amateurish but it has a lot of charm, and knowing the history better helps with analysis, I think.
Aki Irie is a more recent artist whose work reminds me of that era, mostly her calligraphic linework, but it's a bit of a stretch and I have a hard time naming current examples other than her and the usual handful of Trigger staff. I'd be interested in knowing others, too.
Attached pic is Yoshinari's fanart of an Unico character. A lot of Tezuka's comics are on Nyaa.

does anyone know how to replicate this kind of hair shading style? i've tried selecting a specific hair group and trying to break it down from there, like taking the base colour, adding shadows, adding highlights, adding a few strands here and there, but it still doesn't look right

>>6264009
Looks like they started with brown and kept painting over with different greys. Does the artist post any WIPs? Maybe it would help to look at something less polished to see their steps.

>>6264009
not sure what you mean, anon. there's light where light falls and darker tones where the shadow is. the darkest brown tones look like part of the lineart to me, which was probably black before they recolored them brown.
Oh, and also a very transparent big soft warm colored (brown/orange-ish) airbrush applied to the top of the head to sell the lighting more and make it more dynamic color-wise.

>>6264028
they have a booth with their psd files, but i'm not subscribed, and other than that, i haven't been able to find anything in their twitter/pixiv, thank you for the insight though

>>6264042
thanks for breaking it down for me! i'm not very good at breaking down art works, especially when they have an airbrush overlayed on top, this has helped me a lot

how do you tell when an artist does something like that? my colourblind dumbass can't tell the difference unless i colour pick

>>6264118
>how do you tell when an artist does something like that?
i mean, i can't tell for sure and may be still wrong, these are just assumptions but maybe it just comes with time? at some point you just see artists change their lineart color so you know it's a thing that some people do, and you watch artists subtly apply dynamically colored airbrushes over their base colors to make them pop more, and since in the image the eye + eyelid is still mostly black i just assume they didnt start out with that brownish lineart but just made it like that to make the other colors fit more. its just (more or less) educated guesswork...

what do you recommend to start learning anatomy/figure drawing? pic rel my most recent drawing from a commission I am making. I feel really stuck.

>>6264141
draw gesture drawings or more detailed studies of real people. if you only wanna draw anime, maybe studying your favourite artists is also ok? since anime style simplifies anatomy so much - so it may be easier.
for your pic, try to make the legs less "pillow"- like. if one leg is in the front (the right one, i assume), put the other one in more shadow, since less light falls on it.
the crossed arms feel kind of unnatural. try crossing your arms. do you really place your hand like that? or is one hand resting on the side of the upper arm?

>>6264141
Agreed what the other guy said. Try gesture drawing first for an overall feel. Otherwise, if you want to see more immediate results, maybe work on whichever part you have trouble with the most now.

>>6264141
you can't draw

stop stealing money

Sketch. Anything i need to fix?

>>6264276
Head features don't align. The eyes and animal ears look like they're viewed from the front, but the mouth is slightly angled to the side.

>>6264276
everything, looks like shit

>>6264276
Adding on because I have more to point out. Ditto about wonky head angles for the twintails. Her left upper arm is too short, double check it with her right upper arm.

This is more of a nitpick but the right hand's position holding the popsicle feels off, try making that pose with your own hand. It's more rotated, less view of the back of the hand and more of the thumb.

>>6264141
>>6264153
here you go, anon. couldn't tell what the leg pose was supposed to be, so i just slapped some on.
hands could still be different, thats roughly what my own reference gave.

>>6264294
thank you, mind redlining if you can? i too feel like the foreshortening looks bad but I can't seem to fix it

>>6264326
Unfortunately I'm phoneposting right now, but I can try later. That said, just hold a pencil or something and try taking a photo of your own hand for ref.

>>6264341
thank you fren gonna do that! i want this to look cute so the oshi notices me

>>6264326
Is this a vtuba

>>6264503
yes, chibidoki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5sos84aVTE&t=15s

>>6264519
Yuck

>>6264276
>>6264326
I'm like half asleep kek but I hope this makes sense.

>>6263713
These are the references I used. It wasn't a study per see but simply referring to pic related and using my limited art knowledge to make something a bit different. Now that I look at it again I can't believe how badly I fucked up her face, fucking hell. I really appreciate your feedback though, wish I had more chances to have my stuff critiqued and corrected more often.

Okay so I'm trying to apply construction to the drawings I copy and it all seems off. I'm not trying to talk shit, they look fantastic, I just genuinely don't understand how I'm supposed to analyze professional artists' drawing when they seem to have moved on from construction and just rely on their art sense and their own ironed out style acquired through tens of thousands of hours of drawing. Should I even bother if I'm relatively new to drawing? Maybe I should come back when I have construction and anatomy down and then try to stylize or can I just start autistically copying manga paged now and not care about their constructive analysis that much?

>>6265458
pyw

>>6265055
perky titias uoHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nekojira brushes(free)
https://nekojira.fanbox.cc/posts/4213421

i want to learn to copy like >>6254627 by taking the krenz course but the ic torrent isnt working. does anybody have a mega link for it or something?

>>6263713
sick stuff. you have a blog? it's always a treat seeing your construction

>>6265503
thanks, anon

is it "cheating" if i redraw the line above the first line when i try to copy it, in this case the eyebrown?

>>6265761
Hermano...

>>6263713
>>6265538
Seconding.

i know it's very off and my mistakes are very obvious to you guys, but i'm a retard who has no artistic talent, help me

>>6265819
nice

>>6265816
Help with what? If you want to see your mistakes just overlap your drawing and your ref

>>6265816
Remember to use comparative measuring if you aren't already.
Since you're doing this digitally, maybe dropping some plumb lines on the original with a separate layer (instead of imagining them) would help with keeping track.
Be patient and pay attention. There's no need to rush. The more careful you are the less likely you'll goof on accident, and you'll analyze and learn better, too.

>>6265816
It looks a bit like you drew everything all at once. I could be wrong, but try to ignore the clothing and pinpoint the basic body structure first. Find the relative points and angles of her head, shoulders, torso, hips etc. Clothes follow the body so it's gonna look fucked up unless the understanding of the underlying structure is there.

>>6265816
try copying something more simple like cartoons.
Your measuring skills are lvl 3 and the img you are trying to copy is lvl 50...

>>6265856
nta but what does comparative measuring mean in this context?

>>6265055
>I look at it again I can't believe how badly I fucked up her face
This is feedback. Sometimes it's painful but you can't effectively train your brains without it.

>>6265521
Isn't this video enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
Just start with bigger shapes use CSI lines and strive for 90% accuracy.

>>6265876
Comparative measuring is measuring that relies on parts of the image in relation to each other. It's also called proportional measurement. It's the type Iten and Krenz teach.
I just specified it to distinguish from sight-size, which isn't that useful for this general's purposes. If I just said measuring without further context it might cause someone to look into that instead.

>>6265055
who's the artist for your references?

>>6265856
ah, i get it now, i wasn't being careful or patient, that's my main issue. since this was my first time copying anime art, i lacked a lot of proper knowledge and my strokes were just all over the place. i'll slow down and analyze more carefully with my second attempt and try out the comparative measuring thing you mentioned, appreciate the help anon

>>6265866
i was mainly breaking down the body down into big chunks and identifying where it tilted. i think what really ruined it in the end was the fact that, 1, the basic body structure was badly done, and 2, i ignored it when drawing the clothes over, more of using it as a 'so the hair goes on top here', or 'the clothes go on here' instead of understanding the flow of it. thanks for pointing out what you noticed

>>6265847
>>6265867
for some reason these are very obvious things that i should've known, yet i didn't think it about at the time...

>>6265911
Thanks for elaborating, much appreciated.

>>6265937
I get it completely. I wrote that last part because I noticed that's what trips me up the most, too.
It's difficult not rushing and drawing mindlessly, specially when you're not used to copying. I've only recently started doing it myself, and it's uncomfortable switching from drawing volumetrically to mainly concerning yourself with the 2D proportions and relationships between parts of the image.
My accuracy still isn't very good either, but this stuff is all patience and mileage. Try watching Iten's videos or Eviston's Art and Science of Drawing if you want a good introduction to measuring. WAGMI fren.

>>6265867
>Your measuring skills are lvl 3 and the img you are trying to copy is lvl 50...
stuff like this scares me (not the guy you're replying to)
What would you recommend has a simple style to use for practice before getting into the more advance stuff?

why I always draw fucked up legs, I only noticed it at the very end

>>6265816
>i'm a retard who has no artistic talent, help me
Try to Krenz it (if all you want is a precision copy or contours) by guide >>6259854. Also /asg/ believes than Krenzing helps to gain drawing skill. And if you want redline for Krenzed pic don't forget to post guidelines.

>>6266095
nta but I would recommend stuff with simple poses, little to no foreshortening, basic coloring and shading.

Try copying frames from tv anime, they have to keep everything super basic for animation, so if you cant even copy anime accurately then youll never be able to copy complex anime style illustrations.

>>6266104
usually i see that happen when people start drawing from the head and sprawl out from there, try making loose guidelines early so you can match the proportions

>>6238847
Eyes done
Monkey body let's gooo

>>6265924
"xxzero". He does bestiality so beware.

>>6265905
Yeah I understand. I have gone like a year without proper feedback (I don't have any available contacts to give me any critique sadly) so even if it feels like a kick in the nutsack I look forward to some of you guys checking my stuff

>>6265908
I'm watching the video and I'm confused.
Firstly, what does he mean by CSI lines? Am I supposed to use those 3 line types when drawing shapes? What other types of lines would I even use though?
And second, his method for increasing accuracy, the one with the big encompassing shapes and connecting the dots, seems strange to me. What am I supposed to be paying attention to when I attempt to copy artwork with this method?

>>6266332
>Firstly, what does he mean by CSI lines?
Main idea here is to learn to simplify complex shapes. When you draw complex shape or contour you should simpllify it to something constructed only with 5-6 CSI-lines/strokes. Why doing that? This method allows you quickly analyze, memorize and then recall whatever you're studying.
> connecting the dots, seems strange to me.
Drawing enclosing contour around your reference (actually or in your mind) is just a method to increase accuracy. If you accurately copy enclosing shape of a figure for example you'll be able to use this contour as a point for reference for big shapes in your ref. And if you can correctly copy big shapes you will be able to do the same for medium shapes etc.

>>6266281
is the sketch on the left from a different artist? I can't seem to find it

>>6266095
>What would you recommend has a simple style to use for practice before getting into the more advance stuff?
check the pastebin and download the catbox file "Accuracy"
Picrel are the imgs krenz recommend to copy

>>6266401

Wait....the murata pics are the final level?!?! A folder an anon gave me has it as the first easy drawing

>>6265496
Why? It's not very good
I'm just asking for an approach

When copying, is it okay if I first make a small thumbnail sketch of the bigger shapes and then resize it and work on smaller ones?

>>6266392
Oh right sorry, the left one is form one of the pages of the "Atmosphere's Sketchbook", that specific sketch was drawn by Tarou2.

And when I was sure I couldn't make any silly mistakes this happened.

>>6266108
NTA but can you post example? Also all TV anime I like has a very inaccurate anatomy and proportions and looks awful on pause.

>>6266401
So i take this stuff and use

this method?
>>6259854

to build accuracy? Alright cool

>>6266108
Can I draw beach episodes? I like summer and swimsuits and drawing clothes is too hard for me yet.

>>6266985
>>6266985
yes
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A

>>6266734
thanks anon, i've become a big fan of his drawings

Does anyone have any of Lack's psds or other stuff from fanbox?

>>6266828
Depends what you pick really. The kind of anime you showed generally has low budget and is meant to just look cute, so I would indeed advise against studying this outside of frames that showcase girls in a more refined way.

There are plenty of anime however which have girls drawn with better shape and better definition. Like if you pick the Monogatari series for example you could find yourself with hundreds and hundreds of shots worth studying.

eyeballin

>>6267267
But I don't like oldschool and monogatari styles. Is there not old hi-quality animes about cute girls (or studio that can draw it really accurate)? K-on has too strange style, don't like it really. And high budget 3D-based animes usually hasn't beach episodes (like Angel Beats). (Sorry but I like what I like and can't "just dislike this shit and like Right Things").

>>6267676
It's fine to like what you like.

>Is there not old hi-quality animes about cute girls
Of course, just go over MAL or something and look search through seasons and you're bound to find stuff. I don't think you can realistically expect someone to do the work for you ultimately though, you'll have to watch and find what you're looking for. It's part of the artistic process.

>>6267676
Here's another.

>>6267735
>just go over MAL or something and look search through seasons and you're bound to find stuff
Can you name a good studios if you know? I don't trust KyoAni anymore. Also I found a several cute beach pics on Boorus but can't estimate it's anatomical quality, I suspects it's poor.
>>6267739
It's what about I said. Don't like this anorexic bony figures.

Chibi from ref, without construction. I shifted her head and fucked up pelvis rotation. But still cute, really like this 4-head style. Should I buy some cheap nendoroids for practicing simplified figures?

>>6267451

>>6265503
Really nice brushes ty anon

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>>6268122
>>6268122
>>6268122

>>6263230
>Artists are....... LE FLOYD
Bravo anon

>>6265761
There is no cheating in art. The only thing that matters are the end result.