/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Ifs going to only get better

>>6250451
So we keep hearing. But if being fed hundreds of millions of images wasn't enough to make it perfect by now, I doubt it ever will be. People keep talking about how AI is supposedly better than humans, but I guarantee you if a human studied as much art as an AI did, the human would be perfect already.

>>6250496
I believe its prob a self cannibalizing thing since it can generate so much in such a short time it will begin using its own images "that weren't cherry picked" as a result and will likey fuck up prompts later on with
>insert artist here
cause if a file is say named by bobrowski in it what will differentiate his name and art from the spam that gets reinserted copying it

>>6250524
basic referencing your reference

>>6250524
It can't self canibalize since the AI has a quality filter that deletes what it judges as low quality works (all of it's generations how ironic), so the pajeets specificcally deploy web datamining haverster ships hunting for human artwork

>>6250524
Yes, which is why now is a good time to download lots of data. Future internet will be muddled with shitty ai creation

>>6250524
>>6250540
>>6250546
it's so easy to make good art when you plagiarize someone else!

>>6250524
Does it expand its data every time someone enters a prompt? Isn't this a problem?

>your mom lacks clarity

anyway ai will never feel guilt, shame or lust no matter how much data you feed it.

neither do the japanese. which is why they already make ai level hentai, but never soul crushingly good art.

>>6250540
I mean you can easily change stuff to a jpg or png and ounce again people will claim stuff as there "own" and if there reposting it its gonna get regurgitated back

>>6250540
I think a lot of artists are not going to share their work anymore. Sharing is just ego boosting to anyways.

>>6250496
>But if being fed hundreds of millions
Billions actually. I've read it's around the 6 Billion mark at least.

>>6250722
>tfw I've only looked at maybe a hundred thousand images max and already better than AI
Niiiiceeeee

>>6250551
I heard people complain about file bloat so unless its also generating bit coin i'm not sure what causing it unless the "learning" it does bricks your PC with malware since these fucks are obviously monitoring the stuff

or at least one of them causes it from what I read

>>6250551
The file size probably increases with every few images it scans in; as it's got to save more patterns to further expand its visual library. I think they're about 2gb? Not a bad size given what they do, my are quite intensive on your computer.

>>6250496
anon, we're still making breakthroughs in AI research. do you seriously think that our current text-to-image processors won't improve as /g/fags improve their algorithms and techniques for their own models?

the tech is still at its infancy, give it some time. however i will have to say that current ai text-to-image generators are rather finicky, and it cannot yet generate images exactly as you envision it by providing it with details about how the composition should look like or how colours should appear, where the light and shadow should fall onto, temporal consistencies, etc etc. it can only generate images according to your prompts, and even then, the algorithms might even interpret your prompt differently from what you actually asked it to do. not to mention that the makers of the algorithms themselves could just make the algorithms not generate a specific image because it goes against their terms of service and even deliberately sabotage them to prevent copyright issues.

>>6250552
Japan is a literal shame-based society. Otaku are a disgrace to family and community.

>>6250799
The technology has been around for several years now. What's difference is that the generation tools for the public became more accessible.

>>6250799
There will be still a few years before we get to the point where you can truly overcome the uncanny valley, but you will still need someone to operate the app and tweak things in Photoshop, do you really see a general manager or office boss doing this job?

They will probably delegate it to the IT intern, which seems to be the natural evolution of all the process in your average company, eh?

>>6250446
Just upscale with RealESRGAN, what's the problem? It actually adds detail.

>>6250550
>It’s bad when the AI does it.

>>6251038
5.8 billion images were stolen and fed into the machine. If artists can't opt out of further data-theft then not only is privacy dead, humanity is dead as a whole

>>6251054
>your eyes steal the pictures when you feed it in your brain
learn to code

>>6251060
copyright protects human authorship. Machines don't get this kind of protection, and if you delete its dataset it dies.

>>6251063
Yeah that's not how the model works. You should have choose a non-meme career.

https://huggingface.co/blog/annotated-diffusion

>>6250799
>do you seriously think that our current text-to-image processors won't improve as /g/fags improve their algorithms and techniques for their own models?
Do you really think those faggots are going to somehow improve the AI? Or are you simply saying their going to learn the ins and outs of proompting?

Personally I don't think AI is going to improve all that much very soon; look at how good translation programs, or speech recognition software is - these thing halt and hit hurdles all the time.

>>6251067
It's program is made by using the art of others, and damages the income of those it took from; so a cease and desist for the current iterations of the program that was molded by these pieces of art I think is fairly possible. It may not literally have the art within the program, but the art is what built the program.

>>6251063
>>6251075

Since you're a retard, I'll teach you. The model is two processes:

1.
>a fixed (or predefined) forward diffusion process qq of our choosing, that gradually adds Gaussian noise to an image, until you end up with pure noise

2.
>a learned reverse denoising diffusion process where a neural network is trained to gradually denoise an image starting from pure noise, until you end up with an actual image.

Training process is adding noise to a picture, and teaching it to remove noise from a picture. It can be trained using any picture. It is not a database of pictures, it is learning to regenerate damaged/mangled pictures by removing noise.

>damages the income of those it took from
Oh no the car drivers damages the income of the horse carts

Fuck off, choke on it.

>>6251067
doesn't matters how it works.

company trained their software on data scrapped from the internet, if they didn't have the license to do copies of ALL the works, they are commiting a crime.

now imagine they sucked up art straight from artistation, where the pros at Blizzard, Riot, Microsoft all work.

pajeet is going to jail kek.

>>6251078
> me taking a PNG out of an artist work is not theft because the PNG doesn't contains pixels like a bitmap, it's just instructions to re-generate the image by algorythms

retard, I am from /g/ too, don't you think I know how this shit works?

>>6251078
and where did it learn to compose "noise"? From 5.8 billion stolen images. The fact that proprietary images were fed into a machine which devs are profiting from is massive theft

>>6251079
>it works by stealing!!!!!!!
after btfo
>it doesn't matters how it works.
lmao

>>6251084
stealing is stealing, doesn't matter if it was medicine for your grandmother. Expect a class action lawsuit in the coming months.

>>6251081
Explain how an image denoising model, where it remove noise from an image, is copyright infringement. (you can't). Explain how this is any different from GPT-3 which removes words from sentences and trains to refill words back into sentences (you can't).

>>6251083
>proprietary images
lmao

>>6251084
it's literally stealing you fucking idiot, the tech behind it doesn't erases the fact that the INPUT DATA is being fed to the software without autorization from the creators you absolute retard, which the law demands because a fucking software from a company is not a person, it cannot create or get the copyright protections given to people who make a parody or commentary.

the company fed the software training data it didn't belong to them in order to create derivatives of that work, that's the simplest definition of stealing copyright.

>>6251088
When an image is drawn there is an automatic copyright assigned to the artist. I bet you didn't know that, techbro, did you?

>>6251094
>>6251096
You don't need authorisation to feed input data into anything.
Now seethe and cope. Go find the law that says you can't.

>>6251099
you need authorization to profit off of stolen images. stop being dumb

>>6251096
that shit will scare off normies just like NFTs did.

once they saturate social media with AI "art" that looks all the same they will start ignoring it.

oh wait, it already happened and normies hate AI art.

>>6251100
Did you paint any of the generated images? You didn't. Are art styles copyrightable (no they aren't). Now what are your claims other than you're retarded?

>>6251099
> You don't need authorisation to feed input data into anything.

So I can simply input the whole catalog of Sony music into my computer, train a model based on their shit and distribute that model that outputs endless derivative copies of their songs freely without getting assfucked by the law?

based retard.

>>6251104
the one violating copyright is the company that trained the model, you need to have a license to every single piece of artwork on want to redistribute or create derivative works from to monetize.

any pro at a studio needs to buy legally stock photos to photobash with and properly credit the original photographers.

>>6251105
Yeah I don't think that is illegal. Where's the statue preventing such a thing? Things aren't illegal just because you claim they are.

>>6251110
>any pro at a studio needs to buy legally stock photos to photobash with and properly credit the original photographers.
Most just copy paste from google images and paint over. Nobody credits the photographer for a concept art lmao.

>>6251104
scraping drawn images off of social media and producing an AI that replaces those same artist is theft. Every drawing has a natural copyright belonging to the artist, and ANY use of it, even if not for profit, is illegal.

>>6251114
artists who "photobash" stuff from google images get in trouble all the time, eg. ilya, kaneblob, various japanese artists w the "chimera tracing" controversies

>>6251111
this is the definition of cope. Are all IT bros this dumb?

>>6251114
the absolute state of techbros trying to disrupt an industry they don't know shit about.

I see AI art being forgotten and people losing a lot of money on that scam, because shit is worthless by the virtue of being made by a software.

if you want art you pay the artist, if you prefer an ai to the artist you never cared for art and will not be a loss at all.

>>6250446
Yeah agree
I never understood all those ai shills when the best ai can pull is abstract fuzzy pics with a lot of artifacts and no clear details and it's uncappable of doing linework
Like niggers this is the best what this exact denoising algorythm can do and it's not even good

>>6251116
>scraping drawn images off of social media and producing an AI that replaces those same artist is theft.
Not by the definition of theft written in the letter of law.

>Every drawing has a natural copyright belonging to the artist, and ANY use of it, even if not for profit, is illegal.

Are you literally 13 or just stupid? Are you that much of a cuck you advocate for copyright holders to walk all of you, do you seriously think that saving or editing a picture draw by some guy is illegal? Do you not know what fair use is?

Training algorithms on copyrighted data is not illegal. End of your argument.
https://towardsdatascience.com/the-most-important-supreme-court-decision-for-data-science-and-machine-learning-44cfc1c1bcaf

>>6251117
Other than /ic/ and twitter seething, what has actually happened to them? Nothing.

>>6251110
This, basically /g/ once again show they should have never skipped that elective course of law at college.

It's kinda sad, as an IT manager myself I find this whole debacle amusing, not just because I can't see this replacing the bulk of visual design done by the marketing department and the interns but because it reminds me every single time I have had to check, edit and prepare contracts, terms of service and similar things.

Once you pass internship and the grunt work you will inevitably end up in process management, and then dealing with the very structure of the company, and there is where you will have to start reading the law, the constitution, legal related news and the like so at least you can say to upper management "I told you so" when they attempt to use a stolen database or cracked programs.

But I guess I must congratulate the ones who are at least trying to see the legal dimension of this whole debacle, welcome to the next tier.

>>6251131
kane lost her collab with studio trigger and is probably soft blacklisted from a lot of companies

Copyright doesn’t change a thing. You develop the software separated from the pictures, then torrent the models (current one behind the pictures you see lately is just 4GB), and generate pictures 24/7. You can’t prove the pictures generated were using your art. Hell, you can’t even prove most art is generated by AI.

At this very moment, you are fighting against your own customers, the majority. You are telling then that using this software is wrong while you pirate courses, books and software, trace from other pictures or 3D model. It won’t fly.
You think you are fighting against a corporation, when the real problem is a mentally which, mind you, you’ve been part of your whole life. And here you are, wasting your time in meaningless nitpicks because you don’t know what to do next.

The AI keeps improving, right now is fantastic for many art styles. You can’t point out if some picture was made by an AI or human, and most importantly, people are happy they can produce art, they never cared about piracy, you never cared.

>>6251142
> people are happy they can produce art
kek more like they're happy they have an unlimited stream of emma watson nude pinups to c00m to
truly unlocking and untapping into the creative potential of humanity!!!!!!

>>6251126
did you read the article? Google books isn't ligben, it isn't hurting authors' sales nor flooding the marketplace with cheap imitation of art.

For it to be fair use it must not cause "possible economic damage" to the copyright holders, but AI falls flat in this case.

What a disingenuous loser

We got actual pajeetlicker SD shills itt. It was just a matter of time until some NFTard from twitter came here. These nodraws will never get anyone to nod to their stupid posts trying to seek approval that the art they browsed is legit

>>6251142
>You can’t prove the pictures generated were using your art
When you ask Midjourney to "paint in the style of HR Giger" you pretty much well know that they stole billions of images

>>6251161

>>6251172

The /g/faggots are obviously here raiding the board with pro-AI gaslighting and flood threads. Look at how unironically mad they were simply because we called them out for not artists but google searchers kek
>>>/g/88389081
>>>/g/88389095
>>>/g/88389190
>>>/g/88389286
We never once raided their board once but these bitter nodraws are pretty transparent about their intentions. Janines should do us a favor for once and look at the poster history to know that all shitposters come from the same plance with the same intention.

>>6251172
>rules for thee but not for me
That the pokemon but realistic guy keeps going off about art theft, really shows how dishonest these """artists""" are.
It's all fine and dandy if they cheat and break the rules, but it's not fine when someone or something does it better than them.

>>6251188
...i might save some of those emma watson images

>>6250735
>hundred thousand max
Oy vey! An antisemite

>>6251188
If you take a shit in your plate, why are you complaining that you only got shit to eat?

>>6251078
>Training process is adding noise to a picture, and teaching it to remove noise from a picture. It can be trained using any picture. It is not a database of pictures, it is learning to regenerate damaged/mangled pictures by removing noise.
Holy shit, how can you so confidently say the AI works the same way as >>6251075 says, but then still call them wrong. It's fine if you disagree about the legal stuff, but you look like a raving retard.

>Oh no the car drivers damages the income of the horse carts
Horses don't have laws protecting their work and income dipshit, no one cares what the horse thinks.

>>6251142
>>6251199
>That the pokemon but realistic guy keeps going off about art theft, really shows how dishonest these """artists""" are.
What rule has that artist broken? Or are you just some bitter faggot against all artists.
Y'know what, I hope AI becomes the industry standard in whatever media you really love anon. Really bask in that bland stagnant shit version of the thing you love. I'm sure it'll be a dream come true for you

>>6251188

>>6251220
i can tell when that guy's here cause immediately the threads are 25% little smug anime girl reaction images

>>6251101
>it already happened and normies hate AI art.
nigga it hasn't been even 10 days after stable diffusion

>>6251124
>the absolute state of techbros trying to disrupt an industry they don't know shit about.

>>6251215
>What rule has that artist broken?
Literally
>takes copyrighted works
>changes one thing
>calls the work his own
>thinks he somehow has the copyright to pokemon drawn realistically
>built himself a career by piggybacking off copyrighted works
guilty of the same things he accuses others of
>just some bitter faggot against all artists.
I don't like narcissistic liars and hypocrites and i'm going to point it out when i see it.
>in whatever media you really love
I really don't care because i don't base my existence and my moods on media i consume.

Now i get it though, you're scared of AI because you're not even a full fledged individual.
You're not an actual real person holy shit

>>6251220
Everyone from the AI 'art' I've seen so far is eitherr a deranged maniac or a failed NFT grifter (best case). It just goes to show that their intent perfectly resonates with the true purpose of these things

>>6251230
>no arguments
i feel better when you act like this, pajeet

>>6251220
I save all his posts. I plan to use AI to track him online through his writing style.

>>6251232
i recognise you too from yesterday. you keep making these long ass posts breaking down each word like an ace attorney cross examination lol

>>6251232
fanart doesn't hurt a corporation the same way AI generated ripoffs will flood out an entire industry. You're conflating 2 different things and you know it

>>6251233
>failed NFT grifter
I am going to make millions selling cute doge nfts without paying an artist fag a single cent. How funny is that? :D--

>>6251087
>i-its le stealing b-because! IT JUST IS OKAY!
by that logic all fanartists should be illegal because they're '''stealing''' money from IP holders who stand to make a profit over the art made with their characters, and if we stretch it even further it also makes art of real people, art of buildings, art of products, etc. etc. are illegal because you're just using their work for your product and you earn money off of it without paying them

>b-but muh ORIGINALITY
artists have been copying each other for millennia anon. the only people that's seething here are artlets who fear competition and who haven't cultivated a dedicated fanbase to pay for their shit. besides, even when ai imagegen becomes mainstream there will still be people commissioning flesh-and-blood artists for work since AI still can't do things with intent. at best, it's just gonna be another tool for artists to make their job easier.

>>6251234
No job?

>>6251232
>takes copyrighted works
>changes one thing
>calls the work his own
... The guy who's been hired multiple times by nintendo to do work on nintendo properties... draws nintendo fanart... and this is what you're railing against?...
Retard

I can't stand running into people who think they're intelligent, try to argue the way they imagine intelligent people argue, but their points are just arse; they're always so confident in this shit.

I assume this must be you in this image >>6251220 and you're just playing a bit, cause no one could be this fucking stupid.

>>6251245
corps tolerate fanart cause it actually helps to promote their product, which is why so many gacha pay for "grassroots" style promotion where they get a populat socmedia artist to draw something and pretend its fanart for their followers. Once stuff reaches a certain size (esp when monetised) C&D do end up getting flown around but in general it seems like most companies are happy to overlook fan culture because it is overall a good thing for their IPs.

>>6251236
>"why are you actually arguing me and proving me wrong stop writing things"
Should i understand this as you actually having no arguments and being a shill?
>>6251237
It does because the company you're making fanart of can legally sue you if they can prove any damage done to their protected work's reputation or general image.
Any company could sue any of the nsfw artists drawing porn of the IPs, to hell and back and back to hell.

>>6251235

I don't think it's only one person.

>>6251245
Yes anon, this is exactly how it works. There have been lawsuits against artists who sell fanart. There are legal grounds for that, but nobody attacks them because the damage is too small. But when you develop a machine that systematically copies an entire industry of work and peddles ripoffs for cheap, there's a lot of damage being done.

>>6251241
Please do; I'd love for you to blow all your money on the "gas" fees.

>>6251257
>doesn't understand anything about NFTs
lmao

>>6251255
>copies
*studies

>>6251254
You gotta ask yourselves; what is it with artists that groups of people hate them so much they're willing to go out of their way to gloat at everything artists fail at?

They must be envious and jealous, right?
Thinking such a thing totally doesn't make one a delusional narcissist.

>>6251258
Oh please enlighten me AI coksucking NFT bro, just how would get around spending money on the gas fees?

>>6251253
there are differences in damages. Punching someone in the gut would get you a different prison sentence than murder. Fanart does not damage a corp like Midjourney destroys the Art industry

>>6251254
he keeps bringing up sex dolls too

>>6251241
Hey thanks for the prompt I just got access to a whole lot of these variations to sell them as NFTs

>>6251260
it's actually that techbros are insane sociopaths who want the world to burn and are trying to fuck up humanity as much as possible due to their misanthropy.

>>6251259
it didn't study anything. Developers fed stolen images into it's algorithm.

>>6251254
Well I also agree that girl is a bipshit, her insults are bad, and she should feel bad.

>>6251264
>he keeps bringing up sex dolls too
AI sexbot are the only thing I want, and instead we get this shit. Are sexbots going the way of the hoverboard or flying car!?
The future fucking sucks.

>>6251262
>Fanart does no damage
That's for the corps to decide and for a judge and jury to decide.
>ike Midjourney destroys the Art industry
All the damage it has done is artists crying about it for clout to get attention from other clueless artists.
Can you prove the damage it has done? Or is this just another emotionally charged screech for attention because you know nothing?

What will people do to make a living when AI takes all jobs? The first thing that come to mind is they won't make a living so will stop living.
The second is people won't need to make a living, a completely subsidized existence with no expectation of return in value.
Now I believe the second one will happen with the only question is who will get to live on: Everyone from every social strata, or just a few people who could afford to own the AI, or something in between?

>>6250799
You can't interpret text without actual cognition happening. There are enormous paradigm shifts that need to happen for AI to be capable of human art, and those could be 10 years away or 300.

>>6251273
I never said Fanart does no damages. Sounds like you don't care to have an actual discussion. And if you agree that it's up to the corps to decide if fanart is damaging, isn't it up to the artists to decide if AI art is damaging?

>>6251274
AI will never take all jobs because they can already automate a bunch of shit jobs but they don't because watching the middle and lower class suffer brings the technocrats joy
>>6251273
see >>6251252
AI art would absolutely steamroll IP because it is a katamari ball that absorbs and is then able to mimic.

>>6251272
Only billionaires with private islands will have easy access to small-sized sexbots, everyone else will need to fly to the Philippines or end up arrested

>>6251266
You could very well say the same to artists as being sociopaths, because they openly and constantly display highly selfish and self-serving behavior by spreading lies, causing drama and weaponizing anything they have against people and things they don't like.
Also, misanthropy doesn't come naturally, it's a byproduct of interacting with people.
If you interact with normies, you will only start to hate them.
It's even worse if you interact with artists.

>>6251286
nobody is spreading lies or causing drama. It's you /g/ fags who are spamming our board.

>>6251282
>he goes off because of a typo
It's you who doesn't want to discuss anything.
You just want me to agree with you to validate your feelings.
>And if you agree that it's up to the corps to decide if fanart is damaging
>isn't it up to the artists to decide if AI art is damaging?
No.
Go educate yourself on the laws and how things like this are decided and processed.
I don't think you actually know anything.

>>6251273
There are hundreds of Indie musicians using Midjourney for album art instead of commissioning artists, I'd say that's damage. Some may not have payed in the first place, and settled for stock images, but there is definitely lost income here.

>>6251285
FUCK I HATE THE FUTURE I HATE THIS FUCK!

>>6251293
a lot of journalism and articles too

>>6251288
>Nobody
So, are those high follower count artists on twitter, inflating the drama for clout, actual nobodies no one listens to?

>>6251293
I can't wait for AI to make music so we can flood their market. Once those bridges are burned.
Other creatives should be as wary about this as artists, and should be trying to fight along side them to stop what is inevitably coming otherwise, but to save themselves a bit of dosh, they've sold their principles.

Ah well, it'll be fun to poke at the musicians whinging about AI music, who have AI cover art in the future.

>>6251292
Copyright images may not be used in a product that generates revenue without permission. Every drawing produced automatically has a copyright belonging to the artist, from the moment they began drawing it. This is 100% theft, and you can't doing anything about it but try to gaslight people into thinking you're right.

>>6251293
So, if i take a photograph or draw my own album cover did i cause damage to an artist for not employing him?
If i record my own music using sticks and stones, am i damaging the instrument manufacturers for not buying instruments?
Are you actually mentally challenged?

>>6251303
you are damaging him if you stole that artist's work.

>>6251301
>from the moment they began drawing it.
No. lmao
>copyright
Double wrong.
You have intellectual property upon a work when you publish it and you can trace the creation back to you.

Copyright you have to apply for.
>This is 100% theft, and you can't doing anything about it but try to gaslight people into thinking you're right.
You're actually fucking retarded.
I'm only telling you the laws.

You have google, yet can't arse yourself to look this shit up but keep parrot
>WAAAH THEFT THEFT THEFT
as IF it will make you right.

An hero, retard.

>>6251306
So, if i use the same color an artist has used, is that already theft?

THERE ARE CURRENTLY 13 ACTIVE THREADS ABOUT AI IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT BOARD.

THIRTEEN

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>>6249201

Here is a picture of a Janitor trying to deal with all the mud generated by unclear AI artwork that I made with AI, to participate in this wonderful thread.

Have a bump, why not?
These threads are 100% approved and allowed by moderation, after all.

>>6251311
total dumbass

>>6251260
The consumers were given pixel machetes and now they are wearing the skins of their favorite artists while bearing a blissfull smile. It all comes down to delusions of grandiose, especially when they are validated by their circle, they see themselves as someone who is seriously invested in art, despite commissioning all of it to the AI. The telltale sign is when they delude themselves in believing the AI generated picture as being theirs, that they created it, despite every sign pointing to the opposite.

>>6251272
Only interesting thing I found is from some chinese guys 3 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReUbp5yHxPo

In a video about the future tesla bot, Elon Musk said in 10 years he'll be selling lifelike cat girls robots... but we know how wrong he tends to be with his predictions. So maybe 15 years if we're being optimistic?

>>6251320
You are stealing from them if you train machine off of their stolen work. If only you had learned to draw yourself, this wouldn’t be a problem

WHARE IS CYBER POLICE? AI COMMITING CRIMES

>>6251325
I don't want to be some 50 year old geezer lining up for the first model of a fucking sexbot damnit! THIS IS A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY! RELEASE THE SEXBOT FILES FUCKING DAMNIT!

>>6251325
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>>6251285
regarding robots, for me, it has to be bri from appleseed
i miss when masamune shirow drew stuff other than weird uncanny valley oily pinups.

>>6251322
>he still actually doesn't know what copy right is
You are actually fucking retarded.
That is an encapsulating term for the laws and doctrines.
You don't have COPYRIGHT™ on your work, wich means that no one can't do anything to it without your permission.
Fair use still applies if i edit your work in a matter that it becomes a work of its own.
Copyrighted™ work is another matter and you have to actually apply for it.

Laws aren't black and white.
Go educate yourself, faggot.

>>6251311
>No. lmao
lmao wrong, stupid, faggot anon

>>6251322
Smart, Studied, Refined Anon.

>>6251303
Why are you straw-manning?

>>6251330
You are stealing from artists if you study them then.
Guess I'm right in saying that it's only okay if real artist steal then.
This is your own logic.
>>6251342
Are you retarded?

>>6251345
Studying them is fine. Human individuality takes over and is protected by copyright law. Machines which explicitly remix images aren’t.

>>6251339
complete retard

>>6251345
intellectual property laws are written around the concept of human ownership

>>6251345
>You are stealing from artists if you study them then.
>Guess I'm right in saying that it's only okay if real artist steal then.
Sure, find some sort of evidence that my drawings are iterations of others work; like an accidental of another artist's signature, or me being able to perfectly and accurately copy another artists work, or better yet, actually have a big collection of work known to others that I've copied; maybe than you'll have a good point and not a fucking retarded one.
Humans =/= machines, the law treats the two different you absolute faggot.

>>6251360
Humans are just biological machines retard. An AI that draws and talks and passes the Turing test is no different from human consciousness.

>>6251365
The law doesn’t think so.

>>6251254
I love shifting through the accounts of these bitter sociopathic faggots. they all buy into all sorts of scams be it crypto or Star Citizen. Insane

>>6251351
>stealing is fine if humans do it
>it is illegal for the process to be made automatic through human input because--- it just is
Nice doublethink.
>>6251355
>i lost the argument but i really want to win
nigger
>>6251356
What's your point?
>>6251360
>some sort of evidence that my drawings are iterations of others work; like an accidental of another artist's signature, or me being able to perfectly and accurately copy another artists work, or better yet, actually have a big collection of work known to others that I've copied; maybe than you'll have a good point and not a fucking retarded one.
That's another shitty argument.
You say it yourself:
>human =/= machines
Yet you want to apply the laws and ethics, artists break constantly, on machines.... because? Because a tool outperforms you?
This is why any of your arguments fall apart
>rules for thee but not for me
It's a tool, not a real person.
If you put your hand into a shredder and hurt yourself, is the machine to blame or are you just fucking retarded?
Do guns kill people or people using guns to kill people, kill people?

A machine is only going to do what it gets told.

>>6251365
>Humans are just biological machines retard
what a poor fucking argument, as if that proves that they function the same. AI couldn't do shit without the art that was made by humans, you mongrel brained scum. you might be legitimately retarded yourself

>>6251300
Sampling has already been wrecking music for decades now. Hell it sounds like half the songs I hear on the radio are just old songs with new lyrics.

>>6251365
>Humans are just biological machines
You say this but then call someone else a retard - that's embarressing.
>An AI that draws and talks and passes the Turing test is no different from human consciousness.
Even if we agreed an AI had gained consciousness, it would still have a far different mind, and state of being, than any human, just by the sheer fact that it's a living thing in a metal shell. Even for futurist pro-ai tech babble, this is trucking stupid.

>>6251378
You wouldn't be able to draw anything if there weren't other people making tutorials about how to draw shit.
You wouldn't know some things existed if others didn't invent them.
What's your argument?

>>6250446
That’s from an old version of Midjourney. Here is the latest test version.

>>6251345
>Are you retarded?
I might be, explain why artists no longer making money from album and cover art is not damaging them? They had regular clients who are now vanishing in droves.

>>6251382
try teaching an AI anatomy from loomis or colour theory from gurney kek
it doesn't understand anything about creating art at all, just compressing and interpolation from the exported pngs

>>6251382
>You wouldn't be able to draw anything if there weren't other people making tutorials about how to draw shit.
sweet jesus you truly are fucking retarded. lots of people learned to draw without tutorials, they are obviously helpful but not mandatory. who made those tutorials, the AI?

>>6251335
I just hope when they are released there will be a magic pill that gives me back my teenage cooming energy.

>Pirate unreleased movies
>Run the movies through an a.i. that changes 1 pixel
>Sell a.i.'d movies on a streaming site
>Retire a billionaire

This is how a.i. retards think copyright works

>>6251261
>just how would get around spending money on the gas fees?
By making buyers pay for minting? Are you retards illiterate about NFTs? I am going sell 10k NFT collections, buyers mint on their own.

>Human looks at publicly available art and creates new images based off of its observations.
>This is okay.

>AI does the same damn thing.
>It's a travesty.

Where's the logic?

>>6251265
Good thing I didn't post the real stuff ;)

>>6251384
Because no one owns you shit for work you didn't do?
What the fuck kind of mental gymnastics are you doing?
>paint your own fence
>WHY DIDN'T YOU HIRE ME TO PAINT YOUR FENCE?!?! YOU LITERALL TOOK MY JOB!!!
Thats fucking mental, mate.
>>6251386
>AI CANT DO THIS
Yet.
Remember how Anons said it won't be able to draw tits?
>>6251387
You still have no argument.
You couldn't do shit if no one invented canvases, brushes, paint, tablets and whatever the fuck.
You think you would know all the shit you do if someone didn't think or invent it?
What kind of delusions are you on?

>>6251267
You communist troons don't have the basic concept of property or theft.

>>6251383
Another one. Yes there are still some distorted areas but it’s improving at a frightening pace

>>6251293
>There are hundreds of Indie musicians using Midjourney for album art instead of commissioning artists
>Hey poor faggot you want to just make music?? Pay up 100s of dollars so we can enrich your music with our samefag artstyle
Lol incel mafia asking for protection money :^)

>>6251400
this is the best thing
>all artists a pro communists anti-police anarchists
>NOOO UR STEALING MY ART CYBER POLICE HELP ME MUH LAWS
"rules for thee but not for me"

What a bunch of niggers.

>>6251377
>hat's another shitty argument.
>You say it yourself:
>human =/= machines
>Yet you want to apply the laws and ethics, artists break constantly, on machines.... because? Because a tool outperforms you?

Assuming you're the same anon as >>6251345
You wrote:
>You are stealing from artists if you study them then.
>Guess I'm right in saying that it's only okay if real artist steal then.
>This is your own logic
So I simply continued that train of thought; either way the taking of the human works to make the software was morally dubious at best, and arguably a massive illegal breach of many's copyright at worst.

>>6251379
Nah, there's some great songs made with sampling (beastie boys for example), it's just shitty musicians you're complaining about. But soon we'll be able to be shitty musicians!

>>6251384
The damage isn't coming from the musicians, but from the creators of the AI's that used others' work to make the AI that is now being used to replace those artists' jobs. Part of copyright claims come from the damage caused, and it can be argued that for every commercial piece of art made with AI is a job lost.

>>6251391
>I am going sell 10k NFT collections
In a crashing market? Anon I was joking, don't actually bankrupt yourself man, at least wait til it stabilises.

>>6251398
That work is fucking gross anon. Toddler face with warped sexy woman body, ick.

>>6251398
lol what on earth is this image

>>6251398
Semantics. Did I have to say "people using midjourney lead to the lost of income".

>>6251408
>In a crashing market?
There's always a market if you know where to look ;)

>>6251408
>So I simply continued that train of thought;
So you continued a flawed logic, because?
Can you actually read and comprehend context or are you as literate as a bot?
>illegal breach of many's copyright at worst.
Repeating it still won't make it true.
When the time comes and this gets tackled on by lawyers, what other meme argument are you going to come up?
If you actually used your brain to come up with your own arguments, you'd know how fucking retarded you're being.
>That work is fucking gross anon. Toddler face with warped sexy woman body, ick.
Ok, and?
You sure you're not retarded?

>>6251408
>Toddler face with warped sexy woman body, ick.
Coom 10/10

>>6251415
Such grandiose claims require grandiose evidence.
Someone or something isn't guilty of a crime because you accused them.
How fucking retarded are you?

>>6251422
Do you actually have an argument, or do you just deflect?
This is stealing!
>Heh, well artists steal when they get inspired
Well no, we can see examples of the AI literally copying signatures and we know what files they used to make the AI, besides the laws are different between humans and a machine
>Heh, that right the law works different for human and machine
???
>Heh You're dumb and retarded

So tell me anon, in clear words for this retard: Why is the taking of billions of pieces of artist's work to use them to make an algorithm for a program that will replace those artists not either a breach of copyright or going to cause legal damages to those artists?

>>6251436
>if i say it's deflecting, it must be!
You really have never argued with someone that disagreed with you, haven't you?
>makes up a bunch of strawmen
Is me not replying to your retarded and completely ignorant ramblings also deflecting?
Must be.

Of course you shit your pants because of AI, you're a bot yourself.
Maybe go back to your echochamber
holy shit

>>6251427
I didn't accuse anyone of a crime...
I jumped in at
>All the damage it has done is artists crying about it for clout to get attention from other clueless artists.
And pointed out "damage" it has done. You were talking law with another anon.

this thread is so angry .... take a chill pill everyone

>>6251444
I'm just using it to practice my english.

>>6250496
This shit has only been around for like a year and youre assuming it's already maxed out. A free model with 4.2 gigabytes of data mogs 80% of artists without even trying. This shit is just first generation they're gonna make the models better and better every month. Copers like u are so pathetic.

>>6251440
Haha, even if you're not the same anon as previously, that's still a hard deflect.
And IT IS a deflect because despite being asked in a clear way to answer a question, you refuse to. It isn't a disagreement, we can't disagree because you haven't even made your position clear other than you're a massive throbbing tech head.

So quit trying to act smart, and rephrase calling me an NPC because you're not smart enough for a unique or original insult, and go fuck yourself.

>>6251444
Nah, I enjoy a good row

>>6251447
do u fart
Answer the question /g/cuck

>>6251449
Can't even use spoilers correctly, cope harder faggot.

>>6251449
tourist caught with his pant down lmao.

>>6251449
do u sneed?

>>6250540
That "quality filter" is literally the same algorithm it uses to generate the work. It can't tell the difference because the output is already its best idea of *insert artist's work*

>>6251453
I did cuck your father a few nights ago, assuming he is still in your life (highly doubtful, since you're a /g/igolo raiding other boards).

>>6251448
>gets argued
>makes up strawmen
>don't give up
>makes up more shit arguments
>gets argued against
>still doesn't give up and goes on being more retarded
>opponent decides to leave since the retard has nothing but mental illness
>HAHA I WON WAHOO WOOHO BETTER MAKE MY ROBOT POP OPEN A SOILENT WAHOO UR A POOPYHEAD WAHOOO U THINK UR SO SMART WAAAH GO FUCK URSELF WAHOO
I gave you plenty of clear answers and you're being a nigger.
There is no point in further arguing with you.

>>6251389
Can you trace back to the original image from the ai one? Otherwise all photobashers would be in prison.
It's transformative enough to be original.

>>6251464
NOOO BUT ITS LITERALLY THEFT BECAUSE--- IT JUST IS OK?

>>6251462
>makes up strawmen
I don't think you know what a strawmanning is, because you're simply saying I'm doing it without an example. Where did I strawman?
>HAHA I WON WAHOO WOOHO
Didn't say I won, but I guess this feeling of mental victory is beaming across to you
>I gave you plenty of clear answers and you're being a nigger.
... I think you're thinking of a different anon? Why do you think I was asking for an answer? Feel free to show me which "epic response" you had to my question before I even asked it.

Because so far, I'm mostly seeing retardation coming from your end of the argument, but feel free to continue avoiding answer the question.

>>6251483
>you're deflecting... because i say you are.
>i'm not strawmanning... because i say i'm not
>you're avoiding the question... because i say you are.
>I didn't say i won.... oh no, ignore this post where i'm literally having a victory lap because my opponent didn't want to argue me anymore, you must be so mad
>just answer my total genuine and honest question lol and lmao
On how many layers of mental illness are you on?
Anyone can read everything you wrote.

>>6251464
https://twitter.com/FlyingTrilobite/status/1564733535340093440

>>6251398
why am I not surprised that the same faggot who has been spamming these soul ripping abominations is the same retard who cannot piece two things together
>You couldn't do shit if no one invented canvases, brushes, paint, tablets and whatever the fuck.
what does this have to do with the artist? I would use coal to draw in the earth if I wanted to anyway.
>You think you would know all the shit you do if someone didn't think or invent it?
Yes, I could draw nature in my own style and it would be unique, since we're all unique in that sense just like with handwriting

>>6251459
lol /g/ is full of faggots. i don't go there

>>6251496
>Upload to some random website without reading their TOS
>NOOOOOOOO You cannot study my art REEEEEEEE. STOP LOOKING PEASENT!!!'
kys

>>6251489
>Deflects by not answer the question
>Accuses of strawmanning but can't find evidence of it
>Continues to avoid question even in this post
>No no... You definitely said you won... No you practically said it without saying it
>No No, it's your question that was bad and mean

Here's the question, one last time:
>"Why is the taking of billions of pieces of artist's work to use them to make an algorithm for a program that will replace those artists not either a breach of copyright or going to cause legal damages to those artists?"

But you won't answer it, because either you're just fucking around or you are one of the most intellectually disabled, or dishonest, people out there. I usually enjoy a fun back and forth, but this just makes me roll my eyes anon.

>>6251505
>just like with handwriting
Why am i not surprised that the faggot who can't make an actual intelligent argument thinks that handwriting is unique?
>yes, i could
No, because you'd have no point of reference.
How would you even know about handwriting if you didn't know it existed?
Are you done being low iq?

>>6251142
What a load of bullshit

>>6251512
>But you won't answer it,
I already answered it multiple times, nigger.
Read the thread... or are you unable to read any post unless they're direct replies to you?

>>6251142
New pasta.

>>6251522
>No no, I've already answered the question, I SWEAR!
Fucking pathetic Anon, it's embarrassing.

I would have accepted you doing this: >>6251526
though I do not agree with it, it would have been better than the floundering retardation I've witnessed from you.

Better hope those burger flipping robots don't come any time soon anon, or you'll be out of a job, you fucking retard.

>>6251534
>"I would've accepted a claim i can't refute logically instead of letting me try to argue my opinions which i did poorly and dishonestly"
>lol lmao ur a burgerflipper
No, i'm right and you're wrong.
The shit you do might work on twitter with the underage high school trannies like you.

>>6251534
You're a fucking homo dude, do you suck dick for a living? All your arguments boil down to an emotional breakdown where you have to call other people retards, mentally ill, etc. Probably to cope with your own deficient iq

is everyone still mad in here.

>>6251510
cope harder tech faggot
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LandoftheLustrous/comments/x2gmbd/ai_art/

>>6251551
>No, i'm right and you're wrong.
Nah

>>6251554
>You're a fucking homo dude, do you suck dick for a living?
Hell Yeah man, want your dick sucked?

>>6251557
Yeah.

>>6251398
ahem...
>babyface/loli

>>6251584
>he doesnt know about oppailoli

>>6251402
this is basically a fuckin picture edited

>>6251587
oppailoli is usually short with big tits, this is like a 7 foot woman with a botched boob job and the face of a 2 month old

>>6251587
wow loli porn
>try arguing that with normies

>>6251594
>this is like a 7 foot woman with a botched boob job and the face of a 2 month old
And there is probably a market for it
>>6251599
>arguing
>with normies
Didn't know /ic/ had humor

>>6251336
>i miss when masamune shirow drew stuff

i know this feel, Appleseed was one my main inspirations to learn how to draw waaaay back.

>>6251383
another fuckin photo with photoshop editing

>>6251601
sure at the same time investors don't want your controversies when it comes to tech
>globohomo already wants to get rid of your ability to do stuff like that
>I wonder if someone has already use a picture of someone's dead body as a "refrence"

>>6251610
his art got so weird, wtf happened bro....

>>6251620
ai still doesn't stop you from drawing
How many times do i have to repeat it?
Who the fuck cares what kikes and corporations want?

>>6251267
What's so bad about morals?

>>6251635
Because most of the time morals are only convenient when it aids the individual, which also doesn't give a flying fuck about morals when he completely disregards them for his own profit.

>>6251631
another anon told me ages back on this subject that that a major earthquake in his city in japan wiped out shirows studio and all his work and seemingly he "gave up" and what little work he does these days is coomer trash.

for me his last good work was perhaps the Blades artbook which is where his style started to noticeably change from his earlier works, i dont follow the coomer stuff at all.

>>6251635
whose morals? my morals are. to make artist fags seethe

>>6251639
man that happened to the bastard!! artist too, as well as making the coomer shit, he lost his script for the ending in a flood and then gave up making it cause he couldn't remember what he was going to do lol
the last chapter has dark schneider flying up a woman's butthole antman and thanos style and then it just stops so who knows wher eit was going to go (I havent seen the new anime adaption yet so i don't know if it gets a proper ending

>>6251632
I know but these goddamn AI niggas keep wanting to discourage everyone to not want learn too draw also
>learn to code meme
>get a "real" job, most pays minimum wage wow
>most jobs has automation that fucked over workers with lay offs
>no one wants to work lower paying jobs anymore, "labor shortage"
>gov and people complain why everyone just get welfare checks

>>6251611
>>6251588
No, those are 100% synthesized by AI. Midjourney photorealism test version.

>>6251655
i do not know why but the techfags seem to feed on human misery.

>>6251660
what's worse they call you a wage slave if you work but a freeloader or bum when you don't pay them

friendly reminder that no amount of coping and seething will change anything. the damage has already been done; the datasets and models are open source.

this is only the beginning.

>>6251684
geez you must be fun at parties

>>6251684
>the datasets are open source.
How can they be opensource, aren't they using other people's work? Also you'd think they'd try to hide which work is used, but I suppose when it's in the billions things are obfuscated by the pure size of it all.

>>6251383
>>6251658
>>6251684
Is this the AI being bad or the prompter just having terrible taste?

>>6251702
yea thanks mates for making everyone's personal shit open source!

>>6251383
>>6251658
>>6251402

These are pretty cool, doesn't really concern me art wise though, but if I were a photographer I'd be shitting myself. Stock imagery really is going to die.

>>6251324
>The consumers were given pixel machetes and now they are wearing the skins of their favorite artists while bearing a blissful smile
kek. the "idea guys" can finally ascend to the stratosphere, suspended in colorful bubbles of their own farts. too bad the smell leaks and fucks up the whole atmosphere

>>6251709
Well, as far as I understand this level of fidelity falls apart when it's asked to do dynamic poses and actions that wouldn't be in a stock photo library. I also wonder if there are some inherent problems with specific art direction for narrative illustration that can't be solved until we have genuine AI.

>>6251704
>Is this the AI being bad or the prompter just having terrible taste?

it's just (You)r coping mechanism

>>6251720
>this level of fidelity falls apart when it's asked to do dynamic poses and actions that wouldn't be in a stock photo library.
Since they're so unconcerned with copyright, I'm surprised they haven't tried just gobbling up all the movies and videos (frame by frame) so they can to get differing poses.

>>6251730
they are gonna do that next

>>6251709
>, but if I were a photographer I'd be shitting myself
if i was a graphics designer, I would be pretty worried as well

>>6251737
You clearly aren't because then you'd see that it looks like trash. Normies and nodraws don't seem to be able to differentiate between good and bad designs. The jobs are safe.

>>6251737
Graphic Design is a lot more than just illustrations. In fact for many Graphic Designers, these tools are probably a god send in terms of finding stock images and unique illustrations on the cheap.

>>6251345
artists are proud if you use their art for studies. studies, not theft. take a guess why they don't like it when you shove their art into your grotesque bugman machine

>>6251101
>normies hate AI art.
no, they use it to make memes

>>6251518
>Why am i not surprised that the faggot who can't make an actual intelligent argument thinks that handwriting is unique?
are you fucking retarded? yes it is unique
>No, because you'd have no point of reference.
the point of reference is nature retard. try teaching an AI to make art by feeding it nature footage. how would an AI know to make a graphite/charcoal drawing by just feeding it nature pictures, you sad little bugman. we do not even understand how the human brain works, and your cyberpunk soibrain already thinks we're living in some sci fi universe with machines that surpassed humanity. why do you delude yourself so, is it because of the aesthetics?

>>6251737
worried by what? you can find far better shit on google as reference than this abstract geometric failure

Art only has value for the work put on it.

Nobody gives a shit if some disabled artist with no arms makes a portrait by asking it in MidJourney, nobody gives a shit that it looks like Raphael, you didn't do it, what is the point?

If that same person grabs a pencil with their mouth and makes a crude but funny comic strip, everyone will lose their minds.

AI spammers just flood social media with valueless noise, and its valueless because its not shit they drew themselves.

>>6251739
>Normies and nodraws don't seem to be able to differentiate between good and bad designs

that's exactly the point. most people don't give a shit 'muh taste' and 'muh soul'. a lot of peple are already not able to discern what was created by an ai and what wasn't.


>A Russian AI ‘graphic designer’ fooled the world… for an ENTIRE year!

>The Artemy Lebedev design studio created a neural network capable of creating its own designer logos.

> The artificial intelligence itself was only known to the rest of the design bureau as ‘Nikolay Ironov’ - a pretty ordinary Russian name

>‘He’ even had his own profile on the studio’s website. His face was, likewise, completely engineered from scratch by the AI, using a composite of the team members’ faces.

>For an entire year, the AI was busy creating logos for actual clients using the ‘express design’ offer, which implies a fixed rate of 100,000 rubles (approx. $1,440), but without the option for repeat designs or edits

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/332370-russian-ai-graphic-designer-fooled


and this was with a pretty shitty model.

>>6251684
so far, AI art has been completely unable to reproduce intelligent design choices, it's all random conceptart mashups. If you want ultra cliche mashups of stolen art it's great for it, but people actually enjoy the identifiable personality which shines through a work of art. AI art is roughly on the same level as rock or cloud formations, some look really nice but it's not art

>>6251188
He's absolutely 100% right, you are all bitter autists crabs, one can feel the joy and fun in creating and making art be sucked out of you the longer you spend on this shithole now obseesed with twitter, followers and "making it" instead of enjoying creating art however you like (traditionally, digitally, AI generative)

This post was enlightening and insightful, thanks for linking it anon!

>>6251759
Pretty shitty deal for over $1,000, no edits or anything else. What morons were paying for this? The entire point of AI is that it should be cheap.

>>6251772
the pricing doesn't really have anything to do with my point. my point was that normies aka most people couldn't be bothered.

of course ai will be cheap, even free.

>>6251730
I wonder when torrenting gonna be legal because why bother with the creation part I rather just be able watch the things I like then go through this knock off version

>>6251750
depends who you ask
>https://www.reddit.com/r/LandoftheLustrous/comments/x2gmbd/ai_art/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/wk9hep/regarding_ai_generated_art/

>>6251750
I don't see a single AI thread on /b/ anymore. The tards must have grown bored of it.

>>6251759
Those designs all look like shit. Of course its hard to tell that they were made by an AI because the complexity of the style is so low (it might just as well have been an intern flailing wildly with the circle tool), but they're not good. Just because cheapskate small business owners thought it was acceptable, doesn't mean it actually held up. At most it reveals the irrelevance of modern logo design in terms of business success.

>>6251750
What's going on with the girl in the last panel? I get this is lost, but what's the fuck am I looking at there?

>>6251774
Well AI is a new thing, I doubt any client was really keeping an eye out for this stuff.

>>6251788
Woof, did they pull back the curtain because of all the heat this "employee" was getting for his shit designs.

>>6251788
>At most it reveals the irrelevance of modern logo design in terms of business success.

yeah i was giving a simple example. i will say this again, normies are don't care that much about taste; and the graphics design industry will be immensely disrupted.
what people don't seem to realise is that this tech is at its infancy and is already doing better than a whole lot people who do this shit for a living.

>>6251803
>"already doing better"
>blurry
>shitload of artifacts
>proportions all fucked up
>nonsensical and exquisite corpse shit

>>6251802
somethign like this

>>6251803
I believe the image was made by AI, but the text placement and editing was done by a person, so saying it's the "first AI magazine cover" is not true, a graphic designer was still needed to actually turn it into a magazine cover.

>>6251806
You know what? I can totally see that, good job anon.

>>6251803
>Meet the World's First Artificially Intelligent Magazine Cover
>(in smaller type) And it only took 20 seconds to make.
>(in even smaller type) And it looks like it.

>>6251803
/ic/ is not for graphic design, graphic design is just a wrapping for the actual package. It can't be compared with art for media such as games or movies, nor with art that stands alone. And it's already obvious that logo design is just snake oil made by marketing firms, see the new pepsi schizo rambling presentation.

Okay, hear me out:

/aic/ - AIrtwork/Critique
This is our board now. Just add the "a", Hiromoot.

>>6251811
>It can't be compared with art for media such as games or movies
This also involves a great deal of graphic design, and utilizing logical thinking, problem-solving and teamwork to come up with something that works as part of a coherent whole.
>nor with art that stands alone
You MAY be right that the people who do this have cause for concern. But I imagine they'll move to traditional, and their work will become more performative (process videos, etc. filming documentaries of themselves doing plain air or whatever) There will always be an audience that appreciates the creation process and the fact there are real humans behind it using it to express themselves.
It is, of course, a smaller and more niche audience.

>>6251804
yes it not perfect. far from it. the people who released the magazine know this too. that's not the point.

the point is that this is exciting. it's like when digital computer when computers were starting out in the '50s. they were really impressive but not as mind blowing as what came out 3 decades later. this is the same as that, except with won't have to wait 30 years due to the number of people working on it

>>6251823
It's fun but also very soulless and shit looks same-y. It pushes me further from digital and back deep into traditional art again.

>>6251402
This looks like doctor who

>>6251819
No, traditional artists don't have cause for concern because the fundamental thing people enjoy about art is as personal expression, which includes every brush stroke and compository element. You might not notice, but your brain does, that the interpretation of reality is what's titillating about art, and in the current paradigm AI is fundamentally incapable of interpreting anything. What AI does right now is ape human paintings, without rhyme or reason. It mashes together elements without concern, just because it saw those elements during certain search terms. At best, it does what has already been done, but worse. If this thing was so great, it could make genuinely repostable pepes, but shitty mspaint drawings are beyond it. Because there's no thought behind any of it.

>>6251286
As an artist I’ll tell you that a lot of artists I’ve met are narcissistic assholes. That said, I think techbros are way worse. I don’t care about AI images or whatever, but I am far more worried about the other areas AI can be used such as making deep fakes, spreading political misinformation, mass surveilling every individual 24/7 in ways a government official never could, ‘smart cams’ with facial recognition on every street corner that can read people’s ‘intent’, ‘smart cams’ in the office that allow managers to monitor their employees’ mood and efficiency etc.
Now that’s the shit that bothers me. If midjourney was the ‘worst’ AI could do, I literally would not care. I’m way more worried about that other shit.
You techbros view humanity as cattle and serve only the elite.
As stupid and insufferable as the average liberal arts artist is, at least they aren’t actively seeking to enslave 99% of the human race.

"Tech bros selling the "future" when it's just another scheme of bypassing legality and vacuum money straight to the top" N-edition.

Every fucking year.

>>6251892
Eh, it's more that people in tech view technological progress as an inevitability. If I don't make it, someone else will soon enough. You can't stop it, no matter how much you try, so you might as well figure out how to live with it.

>>6251900
don't worry, in 2023 it will be another thing, they will steal from some other unfortunate group, mint NFTs and crypto and crash all value until the next scam comes.

>>6251908
They give out free sample for people to lap up for now. But in a few years where the market shrinks and the AI companies buttfuck users over ( cuz the people don't own shit, except the tech bros do, even the works not having used their service ), people can direct their complaints to the retards who would argue bullshit semantics and technicality like what's going on in this thread

>>6251919
>They give out free sample for people to lap up for now. But in a few years where the market shrinks and the AI companies buttfuck users over

are you special or something? you don't know it's open source right? https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion

>>6251919
this is something i dont understand, how can these people not realize they are being used as free labor for marketing?
you cant copyright your ai generated images, it is useless from a commercial standpoint
plus some of these projects are backed by companies like Amazon, and yet they think this is all "democratized" just cuz you can run it on your own pc, fucking gullible idiots

there is 0 chance corporations gonna let the wide public use their Ip's, celebs getting their likeness used, hell just using ai for deepfakes of real people, making child porn and other illegal shit
there is 0 chance there will be freedom of use like some think without any censorship and privatization

>>6251923
pls then explain how you gonna go on regarding these things mentioned
there is 0 chance corporations gonna let the wide public use their Ip's, celebs getting their likeness used, hell just using ai for deepfakes of real people, making child porn and other illegal shit
there is 0 chance there will be freedom of use like some think without any censorship and privatization

pls explain to me how this shit wont get censored to hell and back and craked down on

>>6251923
If you think Mickey would be ok to have his face on there forever for the public to make their deranged coom from, that's a pretty naive take imo.

>>6251932
>>6251936
>there is 0 chance corporations gonna let the wide public use their Ip's, celebs getting their likeness used, hell just using ai for deepfakes of real people, making child porn and other illegal shit
>there is 0 chance there will be freedom of use like some think without any censorship and privatization
It doesn't matter. The people in charge can make whatever laws or try to control things as much as they want, but it's already out there in the wild. It's too late for anyone to stop it. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't do it.

>>6251923
open source sure, then a scandal happens of how this shit is being used to make CP and other nasty illegal uses and boom, its over
same regarding the use of copyrighted material and celebs able to dumb millions on suing the shit out of people and companies for letting them use this to make fake porn pics of them, same for politicians etc

you dumbasses are too narrowminded
there is a reason everyone spamming this on platforms are bitter NEETs or cryptotards

>>6251950
>It doesn't matter. The people in charge can make whatever laws or try to control things as much as they want, but it's already out there in the wild. It's too late for anyone to stop it. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't do it.
Not the same anon but this is a rather retarded statement and shouldn't be take this post seriously. This will certainly lead a new era of social media controversy and political conflict enough to either censor the fuck out of it or shut it down for good if it lead to CP marketing in discords or private social medias
>>6251962
This anon knows what's up

>>6251950
What to say they can't just sue the AI for some millions while the indie studios can't. And maybe people don't give a fuck when it comes to dudes making some shit on his Honey Select model in a dark corner of the web. But what about plain day light on popular marketplace. Now because it's through AI it's acceptable when Blizzard straight up rip off some unfortunate AA production ?

>>6251962
So what, project dies, 15 new ones arise from its corpse. You can’t stop this, it’s like trying to stop piracy.

>>6251950
>illegal doesn't mean you can't do it.
said exactly like someone who is primed to be buttfucked by Tyrone in jail
if you are so sure in your statement why dont you go right ahead and do something ajil worthy, go on, im sure you dumbasses who live 24/7 on the internet arent cowards and just spit bullshit thinking it show the world works right?
the more i read ai shills comments the more evident it is you guys rarely get out the house, or even out of the internet

>>6251950
Look up the case of shadman when he draw keemaster's daughter, you will understand how much of a bad idea this is going to bring if they think they aren't afraid of getting their asses sue.

>>6251978
Software companies don't necessarily give a fuck about private use piracy but they sue the fuck out of production companies for using pirate versions of their software.

Big corpo can sue the living fuck out of anyone when it hurts their bottom line. It's the smaller creators who get hurt

>>6251968
>Not the same anon but this is a rather retarded statement and shouldn't be take this post seriously. This will certainly lead a new era of social media controversy and political conflict enough to either censor the fuck out of it or shut it down for good if it lead to CP marketing in discords or private social medias
How are they going to shut it down if people can run it on their own hardware? It's literally impossible. Like >>6251978 said it's basically like when the RIAA tried to stamp out piracy 20-25 years ago. Even with the centralized services back then, every time one went down another would pop up. They were completely unable to kill it until services like iTunes and Spotify came around that made the legal far more convenient than resorting to piracy.

They got bored with trolling chess and go players after they realized those dudes still enjoy playing their board games.
Maybe they'll grow bored with this board when they realize we still enjoy drawing very much and not only that but we're also better than them at using their shitty tech.

>>6251988
>basically like when the RIAA tried to stamp out piracy 20-25 years ago. Even with the centralized services back then, every time one went down another would pop up.
Pretty sure this is the answer for the outcome for those who abuse the AI generator and thus history repeating itself only this time the people are going to witch hunt for those who creates cp degeneracy or fake pics to create even more drama or total chaos on social medias. I'm sure, eventually, they will have to create new laws to prevent people of abusing AI generators otherwise cooperates are the ones who will suffer great lawsuits and damaging reputation.

>>6252006
Currently the laws aren't even capable of stopping actual CP from spreading around the internet. Thinking they're going to be able to stop AI image generation is a fool's dream.

>>6251988
People solved that particular piracy by coming up with an eco system that's beneficial to every party.

Unless the paradigm changes and everyone gets paid. Not the AI tech bros buttfuck everyone and own everything others make, there should be a case be brought up. And maybe the law cannot be enforced on individual level, but on Steam, on streaming, theater ? Now suddenly it's AI everyone should just accept it even though copyright dramas have been a thing every year ?

>>6251892
You know what's been bothering me for a while?
It's the retarded attitude of
>"if you don't think or act like me, you must be the "enemy""
That is everpresent in any discussion as of lately.
This is literal animal behavior.
Most of you niggers behave like literal animals; unable to to show any signs of intelligence, just noise upon noise.
>waaah waah if u disagree with me ur this and that
>waaah waah if ur for AI ur a techbro or a failed artists
>waaah waaah like n subscribe waaah how am i supposed to draw now if AI can do better how will i even be rich and famous waaah
>waaah waaah no these people are worse and inferior than me HOW DARE U MAKE ME INSECURE WAAAAAAH
The elites know this.
The government knows this.
I know this.
You're all animals, no matter what retarded faction you want to belong to.
And you're scared that ai MIGHT be misused to control the population, when you behave like animals?

You should be fucking dreading it.

With most of the human species being braindead niggers, do you really expect this won't come?
It will, and it will fuck you up real good because you didn't use your brain and sought only self-gratification with anything you did and any social interaction you had.
Terminator will be a considered a prophecy by 2100.


I'm not a techbro and I don't consider myself an artist either; it would be the same as calling myself a cum swallowing child molesting faggot.
You deserve everything bad that's coming, because you wanted to play identity and social games rather than using your brains and drawing.

And i'm not saying
>hurr durr ur equally bad
I'm saying that you niggers should all kill yourselves.
I'm not mad, i don't feel an ounce of malice towards any of you. You're all animals, after all.

>>6252029
Lots of effort but it's pointless talking with the mentally ill

>>6252009
>dat copypasta
>just another trannoid weeb LARP
Nice copypasta tranime-kun

>>6252029
The political extremist mentality and increased sociopathy is a worsening situation in the west. Social trust is so low everyone is out for themselves. Everyone is angry and full of spite, forming factions against the world.

>>6252039
Violence is the only language they understand.
>>6252049
You're preaching to the choir.
But it only shows that people can't be trusted with any kind of freedom.
This isn't just a western problem.

>>6252029
>It will, and it will fuck you up real good because you didn't use your brain and sought only self-gratification with anything you did and any social interaction you had.
pure unhinged incoherent madness from the same pedophile who posts smug anime girls, shaking his fist about how artists dare to be proud of their work.
>I'm not mad, i don't feel an ounce of malice towards any of you. You're all animals, after all.
this is definite proof that you should lay down the anime, you assblasted nihilistic faggot. you try too hard to sound like a manga villain with every vomit you post

>>6252029
>You deserve everything bad that's coming, because you wanted to play identity and social games rather than using your brains and drawing.
what the fuck are you even talking about? what is the point that you're trying to make? can you speak in non-platitudes please, my animalistic brain doesn't understand the obvious implications you're making

>>6252061
This is the absolute retardation i was just talking about.
Who the fuck do you think you're getting with that?
You're not funny, you're not baiting anyone, you're not trolling shit.

Lurk more, shut the fuck up or kill yourself, nigger.

>>6252029
>you deserve everything bad that's coming

fucking based

>>6252074
no wonder you're getting mad when you get called a schizo. that's because you are one. I feel like I'm talking with someone who was possessed by a demon. cope with the fact that YWNBAA, you will be even far below those who will paint on top of AI cretinism

>>6252074
>trannoid weeb is having another mental gymnastic
Not the same anon but at this point you are not even hiding your own retardation anymore on AI threads. What happened when you used to put actual effort in your shitposting? lmao

>>6251286
>You could very well say the same to artists as being sociopaths, because they openly and constantly display highly selfish and self-serving behavior by spreading lies, causing drama and weaponizing anything they have against people and things they don't like.
*coughRJPALMERcough*

Never seen such shameless self promotion and misinformation at the same time lmao

>>6252083
>buzzword buzzword i can read ur mind i know how ur feeling right now
You do everything i said you would.
I'm literally cumming right now.
>>6252088
>everything i don't like is shitposting
As i said; you deserve everything bad that's coming, because you're busy playing social games.
>effort
I'm just posting my unfiltered thoughts.
You should put more effort into replying than just throwing twitter buzzwords at nauseum.
I never felt anything from those, it just got annoying after the 6.000.000th time.

60% yourselves, dilate and whatever the fuck you zoomers understand as language
art is dead
humanity is dead
and you zoomers have no one but yourselves to blame

i will survive

>>6252131
>weeb trannoid schizo is having a meltdown now
This is getting too repeatable and boring to be quite honest

Ok some deranged bloke want to the derail the thread about him the n-th times

>>6252139
Up your banter then, you horse cock sucking goblin.
I'm always doing all the work.

You'd know what would be really funny though?
Posting works.
You go first.

>>6251962
>dumb millions
Lol this thing has backing of billion dollar companies like Google and Amazon. The celebs can go suck a dick

>>6251254
>retard clamors to be replaced
Why do I get the feeling this subhuman buys into crypto and NFTs? Everytime I see these "people", they're soulless, talentless fucks that throw money at scams. And why is reddit so misanthropic? They're all about childfree/antinatilist/I hate people but love the heckin doggos/AI pls replace me type shit. What mental illness is this?
>>6251260
I remember someone say how art is now democratized and he's happy that artists are no longer a "chosen people" that can make pretty art. Which is bullshit because the lazy fuck could have also learned to draw but didn't so he wrote it off as "artist were born with it". He was a literal thrid worlder babbling about the heckin based AI that will come after him in the future.

>>6252198
>I remember someone say how art is now democratized and he's happy that artists are no longer a "chosen people" that can make pretty art. Which is bullshit because the lazy fuck could have also learned to draw but didn't so he wrote it off as "artist were born with it".
went to the stable diffusion discord just to find retards talking about how artists gatekeep art

that alone tells you the kind of people we are dealing with, its the artistic/tech equivalent of bitter incels

>>6252213
>its the artistic/tech equivalent of bitter incels
so stable diffusion is the robot waifu that renders artist roasties obsolete?

>>6251083
>oy golem you can’t just right click our images
Shut up, yes I can. You are dumber than even the worst NFT chimp peddler

>>6252198
The retards don’t understand that the value of something is proportional to how rare it is.
Scam artists on reddit who are selling AI-generated pieces are already crying about how the price is going to collapse as soon as people realize the scam and they realize that everyone can make AI art. “B-but I wanted to be special, I want to be an artist and sell commissions now…”
You want a magic paintbrush that makes art for you? Great, now you have it. The price is that all the “art” you make is worthless because everyone can use the same magic paintbrush to pump out 100 identical pieces.
You wanted to “be an artist” but there are BY DEFINITION no shortcuts to it. As soon as there’s a shortcut, it stops being special.

>>6252230
you retards talk big
you really have no idea how the world works, too much internet does that
dont you worry dear neetlet, once all the fucked up shit and drama/lawsuits and so on begins youll see who is right

make this shit open source and expect it to not be regulated when it can cut profits? create cp? fake pics/news/porn of famous or just real people?

again, you shitters are too retarded and always talk like you dont know what world you live in
why dont you try and go to normie groups with same stupid arguments of ignoring legality and consequences? oh right, ai shit already being banned cuz people sick of it being spammed by you mentally ill lot

fucking cowards hiding behind a computer screen living off family talking about how nothing of this matters, pathetic mentally ill parasites

>>6252238
Well there's the shortcut of just becoming a modernist abstract shitter and that's been around for more than a hundred years. You don't need any skill whatever and people will think you're an artist.
The art world hasn't been really elitist for a long time so I'm not sure what these people are celebrating over.

>>6252213
> artists are gatekeeping prompt requesters from art.

this is as retarded as saying marathonists are gatekeeping car drivers from footraces

It's a car, you are not running bitch, you can run, you just suck at it because you don't want to put the effort like everyone else before you did.

just because you can go fast on a fucking car doesn't mean you are an fucking athlete.

>>6252248
lol cope

>>6252213
>>6252238
Why are these AI simps trying to push this idea that AI will cause a commie utopia where no one will ever work and will live off of UBI? Has no one learned that the elite class would rather kill than let the poors get their money? All the people that get their jobs fully automated will flood the other non automated job markets, which then causes wages to lower because there's a whole class of cattle that can be replaced if they refuse to work for 10 dollars. This benefits corporations, not the average joe. Bonus points to the ledditor buying an NFT picture, helps illustrate this person's idiocy
>>6252246
Modern art shit like blank canvases are money laundering. Most people always rolled their eyes at that shit, only hipsters and the scammers tried to come up with a bullshit meaning to justify why a blank canvas is in a museum. And the person that makes it is well connected which is why they get a pass to have it hung in a museum while a pleb would get mocked.

>>6252273
I live in a socialist shithole and the UBI here is around 120 monthly dollars.

only people who don't live in a socialist shithole idealizes life in one.

>>6252273
>Why are these AI simps trying to push this idea that AI will cause a commie utopia where no one will ever work and will live off of UBI?
because they are shut in NEETs, underage, or just bitter people in general jealous of other peoples lives

every single fucking post and comment i see just reeks of one of these 3 types of people

>>6252273
The idea is that things will eventually get so shit for a critical mass of people that a revolution becomes inevitable. It doesn't matter how rich or powerful "the elite" are if the masses get to the point where they have nothing to lose by just killing them and taking their shit. Even the people in charge know that there's an eventual breaking point where all of their power becomes meaningless, so if they want to stay safe they're going to have to offer concessions.

>>6252305
>everyone that doesn't think like i do must be inferior
One can safely assume you're two of those three

>>6252310
Better hope your commie revolution starts before AI gets to the level the rich can just have their private Terminator armies to shut down any and all unrest.

>>6251083
I don't see self driving car companies getting hit with C&D's because they used millions of videos of cars/pictures of cars to train avoidance algorithms.

>>6252320
Its already begun
Automated AI drone swarms are just the first step

Has there been any generated crisp lineart or hatched artwork? The Artstation painterly style is pulling a lot of weight in hiding the details.

>>6252810
They've been posted, and they're lacking. It seem the AI is not particularly great at patterns (ironic, as that's the AI's main thing).

>>6251398
I've been starting to feel a little bit of anxiety over AI but this image is fucking nightmarish. I think it actually made me feel better.

>>6252810
When it comes to good lineart, every line has a function and purpose, and they're drawn precisely.

That's why the AI doesn't (and likely never will) figure out that similar looking lines can represent a variety of different things like: the outline, cross-contour, value, plane changes, borders between colors, borders between values, motion and other invisible forces, surface material and texture, and probably other properties that I'm not thinking of.

Lineart is AI-proof.

>>6250446
>ai art lacks clarity
That's why photobashers are going to be the be new kings of digital art. They would know how and where to fix the mistakes