/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

is this a meme? does anyone do it?
https://docs.krita.org/en/general_concepts/colors/scene_linear_painting.html

I do notice a big difference when mixing colors

>>6237419
>>6237424
>>6237427
It's one stroke challenge? Very cute.

>>6237665
my pleb opinion is that in digital painting there are dozens of ways how to draw anything. some artists use billion layers, some artists use 3 layers.

some people first draw grayscale and then add colors, some draw using colors only. i even saw people who use muddy colors, then they use value filter to boost up saturation to make the colors less muddy and then keep adding mudding colors again until they are finished.

but yeah if your software allows it, you should paint in linear color space and use floating-point for "infinite" color depth, it reduces artifacts and provides more space for mixing colors or values.

this particular tutorial talk that the big advantage is that you can alter the colors or lighting later but i dont know if there are any artists who start painting before they know what they want. definitely not me. i already know what lighting will look like so i wouldnt benefit much from this workflow where you separate colors and values so much.

>>6237739
i always do greyscale or monochrome red before adding color and this shit is interesting
good thing i use krita am going to try using this in the future
but do other software also have something like this or krita only one?

Drew a flower on Nintendo DS

Day three

>>6237834
Looks nice

>>6237739
thanks

I was thinking for a game I could have alt costumes and change the lighting etc. with the same art. I learned 3D first so it makes more sense to me this way

just wish CSP had it...gonna do all the lines and shapes in that before trying to finish in krita

>>6237763
Based, cute illustration

>>6237763
How is it so far, by the way? Do you feel its been worth it, learned useful stuff?

>>6237675
You can see the strokes end in many places. It's just the way that many (actual, not meme) schizophrenics draw, whether he's actually a schizophrenic or copying the artstyle. They just scribble haphazardly in the general area to form outlines and value shapes, kind of fascinating.

>>6237878
Day three of what?
Face studies?

>>6237932
It's okay but it is too early to say it's worth it I took gary meyer's gnomon course before going into erik's and so far erik is laying out everything for you and he has way more examples to follow. Erik makes you take notes that you can look over when making illustrations which he emphasizes alot. After all you will forget everything the next day anyway. I want to make mecha with anime girls by the end of this maybe start scott robertson too.

Slowly but steadily, I'm getting better

>>6237964

Those shields are pretty heavy, how he's holding it like a tennis racket makes no sense

>>6238049
He eats his spinach

>>6237960
Ye
5 heads for 10 days

>>6238049
What makes you think it's a static pose?

>>6237763
This is really good, what are you using?

>>6238096
A pen and a ruler probably

I don't post here for critique since I am on my own, but I want a realistic answer: by drawing regularly, using my mind and without skipping a day, how many years should it take to go from this....

>>6238199
....To this exact skill level or better? Honestly I am hoping in just 1 or 2 years, but it feels like it might take longer unless I draw 8 hours everyday unironically. Also character art and stylistic backgrounds as the main focus for now. My plan is to reach a skill/appeal level comparable to those pictures and then start making comics, considering no one in the /mmg/ can draw as good objectively.

>>6238199
Generic trannime.

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>>6238202
Generic trannime vs generic furrime little difference really

>>6238199
>>6238202
you just need to study on coloring really

>>6238199
>>6238202
Yea you could do it in a year or two no problem

>>6238034
is this bait

Old thread dead so posting this while on the shitter. From last night. I get to study trees tonight. I'm so pumped bros

>>6238553
Are you studying some course or something if so
which one and where canI find it for free

Unrelated but god damn trad n is so fucking comfy I don't think digital willever be able to match the comfiness

Can someone explain the logistics of what's going on here? Why not draw a cube? Why I gotta work with the horizon line? Is it to get better sense of perspective, as I know the cube's facing is like?
Also, while checking out the sticky I saw that you should do studies: what concerned me is that it mentioned that there wasn't much discussion on how to make a study, nor do I see much on YouTube on it (just videos saying you should). Should I just wing it and draw what I see or is there something more to it?

>>6238290
Is there any genuine 1 year before and after drawing examples I can see, as sort of milestones for myself?

started vilppu head course
Any critic?

>>6237659
>- The Art and Science of Drawing (shit)
Wait a god damn I missed this, why is this shit? I'm already two chapters deep, I rather not switch unless I have to.
Is it shit in the sense that it's slow/grindy, or is it shit as in it's teaching me bad habits?

>>6238569
Yeah nathan fowkes landscape course on schoolism. It's not really meant to be an intensive fundies grinding course. It's a good warm up before studying and you basically learn different approaches to different subjects. For that one I used an opacity brush for 90% of the hour I spent on it. I've never really done it before and having someone hold your hand through it really helps your confidence. Felt a lot more free going in with an opacity brush vs hard block ins.

>>6238415
No, what makes you think so?

>>6238578
nope looks good so far, keep going

>>6238578
>vilppus art
Yikes

>>6238609
It's as they say... Those who can't do, teach.

Hi /ic/ new to your board. I want to paint a design on my climbing crash pad. It's purpose it to provide a softer landing spot for when people fall off a boulder. It's a pretty common one and people have sometimes picked it up thinking it was theirs, so I want to make mine unique. Pic related. Looking for ideas or advice on which paint to buy? People are going to be landing on it so It needs to stick nice to the fabric. I did a bit of research and I found that it's made of 600d nylon, which makes it very durable. Thanks anons

>>6238668
/diy/

>>6238609
Classic "sketch was better"? Let's see the sketch now!

>>6238609
this looks like Brian's paintings lol

studying stuff
like metal

>>6238766
Woah, what sources are you using to learn painting?

I really like image of Kris with black nails and armsocks/fingerless gloves. Art with black nails can be seen quite often nowadays, not so often with armsocks. But I would really like Kris with these two things listed above plus a choker to gain popularity too. I think choker fits him very well and really completes his twink image.

desert grill again
pose seems a bit weird though

>>6238578
>900 dollars

oh god

>>6238770
I read how 2 render by Scott Robertson.

>>6238781
Holy based, thanks bro

>>6238779
you meant
>0 dollars
?
i didn't pay shit

>>6238609
erik's art now this? How mentally damaged are you?

>>6238810
I haven't even deployed the true redpills yet

>>6238816
Ok this one beats me. What am I supposed to find wrong here? The Vilppu one is messy, the Olson ones had some bad perspective (ironic), but this one looks allright.

>>6238822
Its ugly

>>6238823
And? They're goofy little trolls? Isn't that the point?

>>6238824
All he does is trace 3D to do some shitty anime porn, don't worry

Damn BEG slowed down. What is causing these random bursts in activity? Is the summer over or something?

>>6238774
Thumbs up but his right hand in the middle is mega lazy
>>6238766
I kneel, the transitions are so soft uoooh
>>6238668
Normal paints arent made to be durable, it would smush and smudge with repeated use. Look for something else like tshirt printing or ironing which can withstand even washing machine
>>6238580
The OP sometimes change the text of the general. Dont pay it much mind, the moment they stopped putting keys to drawing there its obvious some troll made it. And definitely finish the books you start, switching is like throwing your progress into trash bin!
>>6238573
>why not draw a cube
How can you draw a cube if you haven't established horizon and vanishing points yet? You are reading book made by NERD so you have to follow the process. Only after you have the vanishing points ONLY then you know to which direction the parallel lines of the cube will go.
>studies
Studies can be anything from mindlessly copying stuff (like i am doing) to very careful observation of some piece and understanding how exactly it was made. Or just reading book / course. Basically anything but drawing for fun
>wing it
In perspective there is NOTHING winged, heck some artists even use ruler to be extra precise. Just look at the pic you posted all steps are in it (from left to right, from top to bottom)
>>6238569
nice head but next time steal stack of papers from copy center so you get max aesthetics on white paper
>>6238034
are you following some book/course? if not you should reconsider
>>6237747
floating point precision and linear gamma is present in many software: gimp, krita, photoshop, corel painter and probably more. Its a bit on the technical side so not many apps consider it as must-have

>>6238816
You can't be a great artist and a great teacher at the same time, retard. Show me one artist that can teach and make great art at the same time. Also, pyw.

>>6238849
Yeah, American public schools started opening up for the fall about a week ago. They don't all open immediately, but by about mid September they'll all be open and the only American kids hanging onto shitposting on 4chan will be a handful of stragglers and homeschooled little shits.

The "fun" in "fundies" stands for "fun with a pencil"

>>6237659
How are my values and design?

>>6238873
Stuff no the roof is out of perspective and kinda feels tacked on but I like it otherwise. Thumbnails well which is a big test of the values.

What's the most efficient way to practice when you don't have much time? I work a lot and don't have the energy to spend hours drawing. What's the best thing to do for say an hour every day?

>>6238882
Try grinding them 250 boxes from drawabox.

>>6238891
anon pls I'm serious, I sure as shit aint doing just boxes every day
I want to try to make the most of what little time I have to practice

Was practicing eyes yesterday, and my sketches actually didn't look like dogshit when I returned to them today.

Please let me know if there's anything major I missed; either I'm getting better, or just getting worse at catching my own mistakes.

>>6238903
just draw anime 250 times for 1 hour each day if you hate boxes. Not mine btw.

>>6238912
I saw this on twitter as well

>>6238912
what's better:
spending hours copying out an anime image
or copying out a much simpler anime image multiples times per hour

>>6238775
Pay attention to your proportions. The ipper torso is a bit long. The hip should be lowered on the side with the bent leg. Hips should be wider. Arms are too long for the body. Tiny doll hands. The pose is not helped by the loincloth going between the legs. It looks too much like the figure is wearing a diaper. Instead, just have it blowing in the same direction of the flag.

>>6238968
based. 248 to go.

Color makes no sense to me. Stop calling my hair "figure drawing"

>>6237659
Gesture drawings

>>6239004
Your style is too American imo

Another day another mess... I hand't made anything in ages and just wanted to do something with paint.

I didn't really do a under drawing and I didn't have enough paint on the pallet to really do this either. It was just my old dry travel pallet I grabbed. Not the right paper, and most of all after drawing for many years I am shit... so yeah.

One of those kinda nights.

>>6239138
That perspective...how are your eyes placed on your head? Like this? <__>

What do you guys think about my frog?

>>6239180
>iphone file name
That's AI isn't it

>>6239180
coomable

>>6239183
Fucking furfags...

>>6239178
Pretty much. I was VERY lazy with the boards.

>>6239181
Nope I painted it in my ipad. I’ll take it as a compliment, I can post proof

>>6239192
Yes, lets see the froggos

>even japan peddles le just draw meme

>>6239195
>>6239181
https://files.catbox.moe/gq5kdl.MOV
Here it is

>>6239208
Neat

>>6239208
Hmph, I admit defeat.

>>6239217
same though

>>6239098
We call it /beg/ style

>>6239201
What you SEE. You use references, you learn from real life.

>>6238553
Studied trees for a few hours. This is the only one I feel confident enough to post that isn't total shit. Maybe I should do some master studies

>>6238968
>>6238999
This is a based technique.

bros, every time i'm on a roll and studying/drawing consistently, i suddenly stop for a long ass time
it's a never ending cycle and i lose what little gains i have
how can i fucking stop this, is there any hope for me
this is my first sketch in ages, without reference or i'm sure it'd be better but i'm still obviously beg

please god help me

>>6239317
Follow a course, draw daily.
You don't have to be productive every day just draw every day, can be anything really just put the pen to the paper.
You need to make it a routine, no matter what I draw today.

>>6237659

I made this in mspaint yesterday and thought it came out pretty well- although it's been a while since I've drawn anything close to realism

>>6239363
It's lovely

>>6239363
Helps if I post the image too

>>6239339
do you have any recommendations for a course?

im getting filtered hard on eviston's gesture drawing course when he introduces drawing feet. they look so fucking retarded and I'm not sure how to practice them. i cant manage the multiple proportions that need to go right between the ankle angle, the length and width of the foot and its relation to the overall figure. It's way harder than drawing a head dear god.

loomis has one fucking page on it and acts like its a solved problem.

>>6239379
I liked Michael hamptons course

what happened to the batman mega? I forget.

What do you need to know before starting a course like Med's Map? Should you have a grasp on drawing in general or can you just jump in?

I have a beginner's landscape book telling me to go outside and draw landscapes. Is it okay if I draw from photos instead?

>>6239317
Worry less about getting gud and focus more on being consistent with practice. Develop consistency and then work from there.

>>6239456
You can, but surely you can touch grass long enough to go draw something actually outside. If you want your landscapes to have soul you need to feel them, not just look at pictures.

>>6239469
It's a long commute to the city. It's also very hot outside.

>>6239471
Where do you live? In an underground bunker with no windows? Just sit at a window and draw that to start with.

>be me
>'man, landscapes are cool'
>practice a couple days painting thumbnails
>try to make an actual landscape painting
>'eeeh, this is too hard for me...'
>'dude, human figure is so interesting'
>practice a couple days making gesture drawings
>learn a bit of anatomy (pectoral muscle and shoulder, thats all)
>'fuck theres too much to learn its too hard'
>'you know, I really like painting and how colours mix'
>paint a couple heads I drew a while ago following a tutorial
>try to do it on my own, terrible results
>'maybe this is too advanced for me'
>'ah, perspective, should've started there'
>cool, cubes are relatively easy
>damn cylinders are easy too
>try to do complicated shapes, fail miserably
>quit


I need to be handheld and told exactly WHAT to learn and WHICH order to follow, I keep jumping between subjects not really learning anything, please help me

>>6239485
This is just a natural part of learning any complex skill, unfortunately.

>>6239485
Post your heads. I'm in a similar position except I'm actually productive and interested in all these subjects.

>>6239485
I'll probably get crucified for saying this, but maybe try Draw a box? Pretty much holds your hand through learning the fundamentals. There's a hatred I've seen on here that I don't fully understand but whatever. It's been going well enough for me thus far.

Maybe something to consider, maybe not! It's up to you at the end of the day. You could also just pick up a "how to draw" book or something and go through those.

>>6239180
nice frog bro

>>6239489
>post your heads
here you can find them linked below

>>6238569
>>6228183
>>6227934
>>6227854

>>6239549
>the making of the latest iPhone

>>6239560
no way it'd be made of anything so sturdy

Can anyone suggest some good colouring courses specific to CSP?

I'm fairly good at the drawing part now and I've been avoiding colouring stuff other than using flats and occasionally one overlay layer

But actually using any of the brushes is way beyond me and I don't even know where to start - any advice?

>>6238959
thanks for the advice friend, I appreciate it.

I found that trying to draw after work often ended in failure, since I was tired by then. So I'm going to try drawing when I get up in the morning.

>>6239567
I just use Photoshop courses and apply them to CSP. There is no big difference.

My first attempt at the vilppu box figure thing. Can I get a redline on what the actual figure should look like in boxes? I have a hard time imagining the figure in boxes and I think this is off but I can't tell what.

>>6239615
>her fat roast beef pussy is hanging out

>>6239615
who's the lady? such puttana

>>6239682
>>6239688
No idea sorry, I just grabbed the first thread image of one of the porn boards to save time on searching for practice reference.

>>6239573
Cute but the Right hand is flipped - you have the thumb in the wrong side

Not even a week into the school year and I got in trouble for drawing my teacher in a bikini she’s pretty hot for being 28 but I guess I should have been paying attention to class rather than her assets did any of you ever get into trouble for your art?

I can't into figure drawing. I've tried several methods but even the gesture stage is just impossible for me. I'm trying brent eviston's course and it's the most infuriating so far, I'm just drawing incoherent squiggly lines on my paper.

Tried another one, got lazy with the legs and turned them into cylinders...

>>6239741
Thats disgusting

Why are you in 4chin? Are you training to be the next school shooter?

>>6239747
>>6239730

>>6239730
Autism

>>6239741
Holy shit, is that moot's pussy?

>>6239549
Is that for a zelda CDI sequel! Cant wait to see it animared!

Trying some thumbnails, are these readable, do they feel like they have a ''large sense of space''?

>>6239920
Constructoids missing the point yet again

>>6239945
I agree, constructoids btfo
When will they learn?

>>6239945
define construction
i think you missing the point since all artists use construction to some degree whether they actually build upon perspective guidelines, use sketches to define form before polishing a piece or thinking about perspective relations in their head

>>6239956
Constructors have no soul, they are the deceptions of the artworld, so much emphasis on perspective, yet where is the story and emotion?
Nowhere to be found, that's for sure

yeah yeah ingore my question and post some bullshit
every artist uses construction but some you'll call soul and other soulles

>>6239880
No kek but the idea is animation yeah

>>6239945
But I like SR 71s :(

what kind of drawing is this and how does one learn it?
in terms of techniques, medium

>>6240065
Looks like generic trannime to me. Medium : charcoal or charcoal digitranny imitation

>>6240065
Carbon chiaroscuro, you want to learn the fundamentals of lighting and doing gradations with carbon. Chiaroscuro technique focuses on using very strong constrast

>>6239945
>>6239964
>>6239954
Nightmare room concept for constructionlets, thoughts?

>>6240044
Verry nice.

>>6239964
There is no god so there is no soul christfag

>>6237659
Any crits? Do you feel any volume?

>>6237739
Are there any specific tuts for grayscale>color? The colors look so muddy when I do the color overlay

>>6240360
>Christ and God out of nowhere
The concept of a human spark has existed since we attained sentience, drone.
But that doesn't take away from the fact those going on about it while neglecting the building process in art is foolish.

Who are some artists you guys follow on twitter or whatever? Not necessarily just specific artists but stuff for tips and art history

>>6240374
Whatever constructoid go self flatulate faggot

>>6239920
They are not very readable and don't thumbnail well. Thumbnails are all about composition so I recommend going and researching or studying (ie doing thumbnails as studies of master works) composition a bit independently of the perspective shit you've been working on to get an idea of the principles and sensibilities involved. Also work in a darker colour or black, because the lack of contrast makes it hard to see the composition either way. I need to work on thumbnails more myself, so thanks for reminding me.

>>6240360
Whatever the source or nature of the soul, whether it's some metaphysical object created by a deity or simply an exceptionally complex network of computations or anything in between, it's excessively obvious that it exists and that each human has a conscious and exclusive perspective. There is something that makes a human mind different from a machine calculation and possibly also from the nerve impulses of insects or basic biological exchange of information of plants. Unless of course that schizo a while back was actually right about like 2/3 of people having aphantasia, pretending they don't, and people with aphantasia actually having no inner world or conscious mind whatsoever and just being machines shaped like humans. I guess it would be understandable if such a person did not believe in the existence of souls (and to be honest I looked up some of his citations and he might be right! Fascinating stuff, maybe (You) are just a subhuman lacking the fundamental thing that makes a person a person, like he was insisting).

>>6240383
To be honest I just follow artists whose art I really like (mostly japanese loli artists, only one who does lewds is RA though) and my favourite twitch artist (whose twitter exists for self promotion and I've considered unfollowing because I don't feel like I get anything out of following apart from marginally supporting someone who I enjoy talking to, who definitely gets more support from my prime subscription). But I'm not very "online" on social media. Sinix is probably the best active youtube channel for people learning art, though.

>>6240383
mostly just steven zapata and archipel

got really tired of art youtubers being complete memes or just trying to regurgitate the same info over and over and over i dont need to hear how to draw an arm from 100 different channels

>>6240401
I just prefer to believe in science I am made of star stuff isn’t that amazing way better than your backwards ass “god” bullshit

>>6240415
found the edgy teenager

>science
>yet does not apply the scientific method to art
bad baito

>>6240364
only thing really, these two features arnt tracking

>>6240393
Will do, thanks for the advice

>>6240415
Woah le based basedence bix nood mufugga

>>6240416
Fuck you nigger I’m not a teenager yet

>>6240415
>whether it's some metaphysical object created by a deity or simply an exceptionally complex network of computations or anything in between
But let me guess, despite lacking basic reading comprehension, along with doubtless many other basic mental faculties, you like to claim you're "rational" and "enlightened" because of your atheism?

>>6240460
Be nice to the NPC

Is drawing the entirety a form the only way to get how forms relate to each other in a 3-D space? I try to construct things and have them attach or exist next to one another but it always ends up that one looks fine while all the other ones don't have any volume to them at all.

>>6240490
Yes, draw through is bussing frfr

Hey, extremely retarded and probably obvious question
I've gotten through the first two head projections (front and side view) just fine, it's very helpful, but im wondering how you're supposed to place indication lines on tilted head
I assume they have to bend like the initial few lines, right? Something like this, correct?

Bros how do I actually practice basic perspective outside of reading it? Are there any exercises I can just grind out?

>>6240551
just imagine a dice or tetris piece in your head and draw it in different angles. You can also draw from a ref and draw the ref again from a different angle.

>>6238578
it's spelled "critique"

I literally can not draw from my shoulder

>>6240558
Thanks the Tetris idea sounds fun.
> You can also draw from a ref and draw the ref again from a different angle.
You mean like copy a reference? And then draw it from a different angle in my imagination?
If so I’m guessing I’ll have to map out the proportions in perspective from the reference angle. And then figure out how to draw it in a different angle?

>>6240567
yeah pretty much

>>6240575
Cool. Thank you again

Can someone tell me what the fuck I’m doing wrong. The volume on the pelvis I feel really solidly. The torso not so much but it’s at least a little bit there. The fucking legs though are so fucking bad it’s driving me insane please help. Also I’ll reply to the with the reference since it’s on I’m computer.

>>6240586

>>6240586
Do constructoids really

>>6240586
I feel like ribcage/shoulder should probably tilt more to the left to balance the tilt of the pelvis.
Can’t help you with much else

Is there a more modern Andrew Loomis? I don't want to listen to some guy from the 1800s when there's so many tools technology and the internet has brought us

>>6240594
Please take your meds and come back with some advice please. I hope you get better Mr.Schizo!

The biggest problem I have with construction is joining shapes together. I had an idea to use sliced cylinders to represent knees and elbows, omitting them if the limb is straight. This was my first attempt at trying while creating a figure from imagination. It turned out better than I expected.

>>6240612
You connect shapes together with S and C shapes, S for passive and C for active muscles.

>>6240622
Can you give me an example?

>>6240623
Open your Figure Drawing, Design and Invention by Micheal Hampton and read page 91.

if my stuff sill looks garbage after like a year am i retarded or is that just the lack of talent showing

>>6240639
I asked earlier on and these guys told me I'll get decent in year 2 of drawing. So you still got time.

>>6240639
You are probably artist tier by normie standards

>>6240639
One year is nothing desu but you probably won't see progress unless you compare your old stuff to new pieces directly
And you also will always see your art as shit no metter how far you'll come
But yeah i say people only get decent enough (like top artstation page) in a decade or so

>>6240415

help

>>6240415
so you take a stand of there is no god base do science when god as a concept cant have the scientific method applied to it thus having no proof of existence or non existence

basically you are taking a stance that isnt scientific but faith and belief based
fucking edgy teenagers i swear

Did some more iterations. They're supposed to be RPG like houses for tiny people. How did I do?

>>6240631
>it costs money

>>6240612
Try read Jack Hamm and insert third shape (soft) between torso and pelvis boxes.

>>6240586
You would greatly benefit from anatomy studies.

>>6237659
Was a toss-up between teen supes, brainiac 5 or Hal Jordan.
Decided on another favorite.

>>6240516
yeah

>>6239291
Been looking at mike mccain's work. I like his textures and graphic approach.

First one for tonight. Feels blown out but this was fun. I like the bush in the right.

I asked on /fag/, but no one would help me. Is the right leg too short? And is the left hand fuck-y?

>>6240824
looks nice should improve the stamped grass though
>>6240875
i'm too retarded to tell but maybe it is a bit off
>>6240676
proportions unless you were going for that

>>6240875
You're asking anatomy questions about an imaginary dogman. I would defer to the person creating the work in this case. If you think there are problems with the body parts you've pointed out, then there probably are.

I’m stuck.
1) how would you improve the girl on the lefts pose?
?) how would you add texture to the guys jacket in the very fron, wigg to his chin to us? I’m very new to drawing fabric and not sure how to give it some life.

>>6240915
just scribble on it, he's not the focal point anyways right?

I’m stuck.
1) how would you improve the girl on the lefts pose?
2) how would you add texture to the guys jacket in the very front, with his chin to us? I’m very new to drawing fabric and not sure how to design it from that angle. It’s meant to be a heavy draping material.

>>6240920
Id like some guidance on it though. You can tell the difference between a scribble of someone who does vs doesn’t know what they’re doing.

>>6240883
Thanks for the input anon. I found some new brushes and got super dumb and lazy. Going to try and spend more time on painting grass properly next time.
>>6240824
Quick one for number 2 tonight. Dumb looking mountain with triangles. I think my calibration is out of whack because my darks look too dark on my second monitor

>>6240929
I reposted this for the typos and forgot to include the damn picture, fuck me.
>>6240875
No looks fine.

Is memorizing poses a good way to draw from imagination?

>>6240948
yeah? building a visual library is part of it yes

yes

>>6240929
i thought you'd know how to scribble you're better than me we should wait for someone who knows what they're doing for help

>>6240956
make her melons juicier

>>6240955
you’re at the “just draw more” stage. once you make it a consistent habit. start looking into structured courses like draw a box or learn loomis or something. don’t be discouraged and keep going

>>6240930
First time painting overcast stuff. Not very happy with it and ran out of time but It was a fun challenge.

>>6241038
What's the point of posting ai work and pretending it's yours in a beg thread?

>>6237659
Why was the challenge killed?

>>6237965
love the progress man. how old are you? do have a job? how many hours do you draw in a day?

>>6241057
Picking an Anons art to be OP pic has been tradition for longer. Encourages /beg/s to try harder and feels good to get picked. Nothing wrong with the challenges, just doesn't deserve to replace the OP tradition. Some of the challenges were also too hard for beginners. The anon that was posting the challenges also tried to change the OP text too, removing links to the sticky for no good reason.

Is getting good even worth it anymore?
Like theres ai that makes gay pics now and in like 20 y its gonne be less gay

>>6240604
>I demand new fundamentals

>>6241084
Yeah I think using art in the op is better
threadmaker could just post the challenge photo right after

Sloppy-ass sketch

>>6240802
Thank You

Trying figures again today.

>>6241235
Now do one for this.

>>6241113
>Gay
There's an immense push for women in computers and data science, both because of feminism and in a way to lower wages by doubling the workforce. in 20 years you can expect the field to be overwhelmingly female thanks to how easy it'll get to hire people from third world countries where it already is and a growing number of young girls getting into CS as it's pretty much the easiest hard science.


Meaning those AI models will be made by holes, for holes, half of which will be lesbians with pronouns or something, and will only shit out vile fujo garbage instead of the kind of based pictural faggotry you're into because they'll be the ones curating the training dataset.

Sure you could take the models and retrain them on a dataset full of things you like but some sort of "ethics committee" (5 women with holistic crystal therapy degrees and one who wrote some JavaScript one day) will shut you down because you put a bit of questionable hair pulling in it

>>6241243
>women doing anything
also you type retarded like a bot

>>6241116
You joke but perspective was not a fundie until like 500-600 years ago, and there are arguably digital-specific fundies too that didn't exist until a couple of decades ago.

>>6241240
Ohh agghh ughh oh god SNIFF SNIFF

>>6241113
If you're afraid of AI replacing you as an artist you're drawing without purpose (or rather, at best you're drawing hoping to get paid to pump out soulless garbage, in which case you might as well be a truck driver or something and get paid MORE to do nothing but get out and see your country and lay miles of pipe), and imo if you're drawing without purpose (even simple enjoyment) you should give up regardless of AI.

>>6241136
I like it, reminds me of velvet paintings. You using a stamp brush for the flowers?

>>6241390
I did but it didn't come out the way I wanted it to so I redrew it.

Why do male figure drawing models always have such giant dicks?

>>6240393
What about this thumbnail for composition? I tried to make him feel intimidating on a tight corridor with no escape.
Do you feel it communicates that properly?

>>6241506
No, its a flat on perspective.
When dealing with emotion/atmosphere like intimidation you want to use a lower perspective. How you angle the scene will have a massive impact on how people will perceive what's going on.

Straight on perspective like this just feels very matter of fact and sterile.

push the angle way lower so you're looking up at the mech thing.

>>6241512
Ok, thank you

>>6240516
I recognize a head is a sphere, but consider it like a cube. When you reach the end of the plane, it has to wrap to the next plane.

>>6241497
Bad news is they have normal sized dicks. Good news is you just found out you have asian genes. GMI

>>6241506
Constructoid bros? What the fuck is this

>>6241506
looks like a chibi/funko pop brotherhood of steel knight, which is not very intimidating on a basic design level

>>6241544
it appears to be a horse zaku. It looks pretty dope.

>>6241549
>>6241544
Yeah, this Anon got it right >>6241551
Its basically a horse Zaku
I agree with the Chibi proportions criticism, might play around with the proportions a bit and test out a lower horizon line like the other anon suggested

Thanks for the input

>>6241539
So, it has to be a bit more rigid is what you're saying?
I did notice that his bent line doesn't really correlate with the position of the left eye

>>6241576
It's more of a way to simplify what you are drawing in your mind. Loomis is teaching you how to break down what you are drawing into simple shapes. Eventually you just conceptualize the planes and basic shapes in your brain when you are drawing.

>>6241555
Maybe make it a bit wider. More like a bull. It doesn't matter that they're actually dangerous, I don't find horses visually intimidating.

>>6241604
What about this? I can't really change it to a bull for ''Lore reasons'', but having the soldier be blown up on steroids is perfecly reasonable.
Is this horse intimidating to you?

How does I keep from beecumming a constructoid whose draws trannime?

I don't get it

>>6241648
don't learn perspective, and only draw what you see like proko, imagination is not necessary

>>6241611
Yeah that's a burly horse.

How do I get better at the proportion, alignment, and proper orientation of ellipses in cylinders?
I feel like my eyesight is just totally fucked at this point. Any good videos on this?

Been grinding faces and anatomy the last few days, finally getting results.

How do I put together a schedule in order to go through all the fundamentals and practice everything. What did you lot do?

>>6241735
Looks nice, eye is too big though
Just add another lid
also the jaw comes forwards even a bit.
I like the curls, they're hard to do imo

>>6241681
Do a lot of perspective thumbnails with small squares and draw ellipses in them

>>6241744
Look for FZD or ArtCenter curriculum and just make a list off the syllabus

>>6241735
>>6241750
Oh also ear comes higher.

>>6241759
I've been going over Scott Robertson over and over, and yet I still somehow don't really know what a 'perspective thumbnail' is or how to do one correctly. I'm really fucking retarded

>>6241785
That's Ok, you are sort of doing it. Just make sure to connect both vanishing points into the horizon line. Extended out as far to the sides as you need to find it

>>6241785
Perspective thumbnail is just a small scale drawing with the fundamental perspective proportions you want in your composition. Its literally just a small drawing, and its small because that makes it easier to find and draw from vanishing points (which as you've noticed with your example, sometimes exist outside your picture frame).

>>6241794
You see how much I struggle with basic VP stuff though, right? I've been at this for like a year. Still can't wrap my head around off-page vanishing points, still can't make sense of how to create 90 degree angles that are consistent for the FoV.
Still hardly even extending the lines properly.

The first pages of Scott Robertson with CoV and station point still fry my little fucking peabrain.

>>6241800
Scott Robertson is a shit source if you struggle with the basics, because it assumes you already have some understanding of how human vision works. I'd personally suggest you do any of these 3 sources, which would help you understand the basics.

1. Erik Olson Weeks 1 to 10 from New Masters Academy
2. Marshall Vandruff's Science of Art DVD
3. Marcus-Mateu Mestre ''Framed Perspective Vol 1'' book.

(Some Anons also recommend Space Drawing by Kim Dongho, I chcked it and its a good book, but I feel you might do better with video format for now).
Personally. I'd go with either Marshall or Erik Olson. Since they are video format and you can see them draw the examples for you
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>Still can't wrap my head around off-page vanishing points
What can't you understand about them?
> still can't make sense of how to create 90 degree angles that are consistent for the FoV.
Thats Ok, do you know how to find the FOV or create either a 60 or 90 degree one based off the station point?

>>6241813
>What can't you understand about them?
The guesswork that's involved when rotating them, warping them. It's not practical to measure out every little shape like that, is it?

>do you know how to find the FOV or create either a 60 or 90 degree one based off the station point?

Not really, plus there's the difficulty of measuring out the 90 degree angle at the station point in any casual sketch context where I don't have these tools to make that measurement.
The way I interpreted CoV is that the right and left edges of the frame are each 30 degrees from the CVP, making out a full 60 CoV, but I'm not sure if that's correct.

>>6241839
>The guesswork that's involved when rotating them, warping them. It's not practical to measure out every little shape like that, is it?
There is no guess work if you measure, otherwise you'll only develop an intuition if you say, do an exercise where you draw 20 well, and accurately measured boxes in perspective, otherwise how are you gonna learn to have the intuition to guess with?
Can you do it without guessing? And why are you missing the tools? You can do everything in Photoshop>
>Not really, plus there's the difficulty of measuring out the 90 degree angle at the station point in any casual sketch context where I don't have these tools to make that measurement.

I feel going through understanding how to get VPs off the station poiint will help you feel a lot less lost, seems to me you didn' go through applying the rules or exercises, and you are trying to guess on empty which must be very confusing and frustrating
>The way I interpreted CoV is that the right and left edges of the frame are each 30 degrees from the CVP, making out a full 60 CoV, but I'm not sure if that's correct.

Yeah bro, you got it, well done, thats exactly it. Now, if you measure 45 degrees from the station point, you have 45 degree vanishing points for a 2 point perspective, if you do 30/60 then you get a yet another type of 2 pp
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Honestly, seems you have learned something from going through Scott so, don't feel too bad. I am convinced that if you have a look at Marshall's DVD and try to construct the perspective from station point to COV a couple times, these confusing thoughts you have will dissipate. There's not a lot else that personally helped me..

>>6241859
>There is no guess work if you measure, otherwise you'll only develop an intuition if you say, do an exercise where you draw 20 well, and accurately measured boxes in perspective

I guess so. It just seems incredibly difficult to fit that accuracy into exercises like this with organic shapes.
And if you're thinking of using boxes when constructing a person or something in 3-point perspective, then that seems like a ton of measurement you'll be doing for each limb.

>>6241596
I see, thank you very much

>>6241870
Yeah, I can understand why it feels daunting, I know it felt that way to me aswell when learning this. But honestly, if you go through a few of them (Non organic for the time being) just to make sure you understand how to move in perspective, then you can start practising the modelling techniques sculptors use (which translate into 2D perspective) Like shearing, substracting, adding. Look, the fastest way to learn to think in ''3D'' its for you to do the boring exercises where you are given a side, top and front view, and you gotta draw it accurately in perspective (XYZ volume drawing, from Scott Robertson). But there's no point jumping into that right away if you are struggling to put non-organical shapes into perspective like a box or square
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I also drew this, hopefully it helps you understand how you can have VPs outside the picture frame, and why thumbnailing is important

>>6241885
Thanks anon, this has been really helpful

>>6241897
Glad to help bro, don't give up

>>6241921
And for the ellipse thing you just mean like this, right?

>>6241750
>>6241763
thanks a lot!

>>6241938
Yep, although don't beat yourself up too much if you can't do perfect ellipses. If you can at least get them close enough, that's good as a practice. Once you get done to line art (if necessary) you can use an ellipse guide irl or in software

>do some nice heads from references a few days ago
>try to do some more the next day
>fail miserably
>try again the day after that and get good results again
When will this rollercoaster end

>>6241998
drink one (1) beer before you draw, small amounts of alcohol improve hand control by reducing involuntary muscle spasms

day 20 something of drawabox... i fucking love it
wonder if i have what it takes to become one of the greats

>>6241652
what's there to get anon?

>>6242005
I don't like beer. Can I use Vodka injections instead?

>>6242005
Is this true? Would that mean coffee is actually terrible for your art?

>>6242067
i got pretty drunk and had a like 80% accuracy rate in overwatch when i played it before it went to complete shit. My usual accuracy was something like 57-60ish%. I was abysmal at everything else, but my aim improved quite a bit.

>>6242067
not that anon, but i get jittery hands and shit lines when i forget to eat and drink too much coffee in the morning. also fucks with your concentration.

>>6237659
I’m designing a souls like enemy. Anything wrong with the anatomy/proportions before I go for a grayscale version? Any suggestions?

>>6242049
>wonder if i have what it takes to become one of the greats
Not drawing indie shit for starters

>>6242049
>drawabox instead of erik olson.
kek

Id appreciate some critique. I feel like Im starting to get painting but not sure.

>>6242116
Try to avoid black eye syndrome when shading

>>6242121
What do you think causes it?

>>6242142
domestic abuse

>>6242102
why would it matter with what i start if i just scratched the surface of understanding fundies

>>6242067
It depends. Coffee improves focus and makes it easier to learn (the same as amphetamine (Ritalin) or cocaine), but it does cause hand tremors if you have too much, and you shouldn't really mix uppers and downers either.

>>6242142
go easier on the darker values

>>6242170
Who gives a shit, I was born with an essentrial tremor and I can draw straight lines just fine, drugs are just copes

>>6242173
Original image wasnt bw. I dont remember how it looked in photoshop, it was somewhat similar I guess. But I filtered it on my phone. Looking at this I should have gone even darker. Am I right?

>>6242179
Yes, you are right, ignore the other person, the issue is not you made them too dark (you made them too light, and forgot to add the highlight, which is what gives you the eye volume).

Draw the highlight, and you will see, darking the eye too

There's a 3 hour nude figure drawing class tomorrow (and also Tue and Thur) I'm super beg and I am still working through Eviston's course on figure drawing. Does it matter? Should I just beg it up tomorrow even though I literally can only draw a bean bag torso?

I was going to finish speedruning the Eviston course for the Tuesday session so idk how useful it would be to go to tomorrows.

>>6242293
>and also Tue and Thur
What do Germanic gods have to do with anything???
>Should I just beg it up tomorrow even though I literally can only draw a bean bag torso?
I don't see why not

>>6242116
you're definitely on the right track anon, there's just a few things you need to be aware of proportion-wise
her right eye (our left) is too high, it should be on the same level as the opposite eye, additionally her left pupil (our right) is too circular it should be more ellipsed/compressed since she's in 3/4th view

also, and this goes for everyone, learn and get comfortable using the liquify tool it's a super easy way to non-destructively correct your mistakes
>pic rel. done in a few minutes with the liquify tool

>>6242307
eyebrows different heights too

picked up a few copic markers and holy shit what a fun medium, goes so well with pen and pencil

>>6242307
>>6242179
Check ref, theres a slight tilt to her head, thats why the eye is higher.

>>6242324
head not tilted, it's literally just perspective

>>6242324
the eyes still need to be in sequence with each other, a slight head tilt does not break your skull structure. for >>6242116 eyes to be correct the head would need to be canted much more than it is and as a result the rest of her facial features would change angles as well

>>6242370
Ah I see it better with the line, thanks.

>>6242395
happy to help friend

>>6242370
I FUCKING HATE EYES

>>6242415
Huston's video course on eyes helped me with them, I recommend it if you struggle with them. his whole facial feature playlist is pretty good in my opinion

>>6242446
I mean, it's not about the detail necessarily. It's more about the proportion and alignment problem.

>>6242446
intermediate videos from course thread?

hello beg

>>6242293
go get some social gains, who knows maybe even art hoe gf
>>6242116
i like it
>>6242049
nice celeste. still how does grinding boxes helps anything?
>>6241744
>schedule
Lmao are you hurrying somewhere? Just pick up a course and do it. Check sticky
>>6241497
people with small dicks are too ashamed to display their bodies anywhere. thats why you will never see person with small dick in movie / porn / sauna
>>6241038
i like it
>>6240955
you need keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain anon
>>6240689
its cute. good job
>>6240639
PYW
>>6240383
i simply follow anyone who shows up in my activity feed. I dont really care about twitter anyway
>>6239730
GMI behavior, keep drawing her in underwear. who knows maybe she will even have sex with you if the drawing will be any good

>>6242456
his intermediate videos go over those aspects specifically

>>6242458
yep, those ones

>>6242293
I feel like I made some improvement (printer paper is a few days ago) by practicing feet and switching medium to larger newsprint and colored pencil. Practicing Eviston's course for doing the session tomorrow.

>>6242498
Looks about the same to me, but keep up the good work

What is wrong my portraits /ic/?

I keep grinding but i dont feel im getting any better and they see, off someway...

After doing a few of these I found out that I have a habit of tilting the figure, how do I stop this? Is this an accuracy issue? I think my perspective is slightly off on the beginning which then throws off the rest of my construction.

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