/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6238821
Why would I be worried?

no lol

>>6238828
AI potentially replacing your job as an illustrator or concept artist doesn't concern you at all?

>>6238821
Kys ai tranny

>>6238833
No, why would I work as an illustrator or concept artist? The pay is shit, the market is extremely competitive and it makes drawing tedious

>>6238821
I'm more worried about the mental health of the retard spamming this shitty ai threads.

No.

Ban AI threads.

AI brushes and lasso tools and selections and recoloring sound better to me

instead of having to muh prompt to get a random shitty image that's stealing copyrighted images

>>6238833
How?

>>6238821
It's gober, they are just biding their time now gaslighting themselves.

there are no way ai can generate manga page for sure. i still can be a coomer artist that writing doujins

even it doesn't have now i think it'd be inevitable that there will be some ai that generate anime,hentai porn. and this would kill those permabeg coomer artist for sure.

>>6238821
Proompters get out

>>6238833
>working in literal slavery jobs
kek
Also, rise up, trad chads!

>>6238872
>there are no way ai can generate manga page for sure
>even it doesn't have now i think it'd be inevitable that there will be some ai that generate anime,hentai porn.
He doesn't know...

>>6238821
>Are you worried?

I'm more worried about you A.I shill's sleeping schedule.

>Doing photobashing gacha

>>6238833
>trad art hobbyist
>never post my drawings online
Not my problem

>>6238901
kek I like that
Also, delete this shit stirring thread, jannies!

>>6238821
I kneel.

>>6238884
Burn it all down

>>6238833
if slapping random shit together was how you got designs, there’d be no need for concept art in the first place

>>6238821
not yet to make censored jav uncensored so is usless

>>6238821
i do lineart so no. all ive seen ai do is rendering they break down when it comes to line art

>>6238821
another fucking ai thread

>>6238833
until ai reaches human level consciousness a human is always needed so you can have a conversation about exactly what you want and have them adjust to your liking. until then it's just a tool not a replacement

Which AI can I use to make a comic?
I wanted to learn to draw but might as well do this instead

Let me guess.
You saw another generic video about how AI is killing art and how artists are going to start starving soon. Am I right?

>>6238970
fuck off, that attitude is why we are doomed

>>6238821
I don't do photography, so no.

>>6238821
Man, if I were an Artstation render monkey I'd be devastated right now.
I'm kind of glad I started comfortzoning into just drawing pics of my OCs years ago. I used to feel like less of an artist because of it, but in hindsight had I have used that time to actually grind real skills I'd be pretty upset now.

>>6238821
just shut the fuck up for God's sake, no i don't care or am concerned by it, it's cool but has a lot of limitations, and if you are so scared by it, just fucking quit, you are never an artist anyway because you don't get the meaning of it as something more than a nice job at a corporation. Or i don't know, use the fucking AI tool to your advantage for fuck sake, your brain is cappable of doing that.

How long until ai generated 3d models?

>>6238821
we were robbed of medical use of psychedelics in 60s now they're taking art away
we'll be milked for semen and harvested for meat in 30 years.

How do I as an employer make sure the guy I'm hiring is actually skilled and didn't fill his porftoflio with ai shit?

>>6238821
No, I'm enamored

>>6239019
If you have no idea about art in the first place maybe hire someone with an art degree to look over the portfolios.

/ic/ it's about time we start the AI Plagiarism Investigation Unit. Let's attack this at the source before it gets out of hand. We know this is a sham that is basically glorified photobashing, and now we're going to prove it. I need strongly motivated anons to join me and investigate AI-regurgitated works of """art""" and identify the source material they were constructed from. We should, ideally, target the most popular pieces that get posted somewhere visibly for the most effective takedown, but all evidence is good evidence if you happen to notice something in a random post that got little attention. We need to shoot through the normalfag's awe and show them what's really going on behind the curtain.

Who's with me?

>>6239037
Too busy drawing, but I commend your attitude. I hope you can find something definitive.

>>6239037
>STAYVHUN
>We know you've been utilizing that there AI to create your sick and twisted loolie porn or whatchamacallit
>No
>Well son, we backtraced that there AI to your address son. Why did you do it?
>I don't know
>You gonna tell me you didn't think we weren't monitoring this whole AI situation?
>Yes
>So you're saying you did loolie porn
>I don't know
>Dammit Stayvhun

>>6239037
the incriminating factor is not in the final pieces but the datasets they are based on

>>6239048
I understand, but we need to destroy this misconception that AI is "creating" new works by "learning" from the images. They're anthropomorphizing an algorithm.

But you bring up an excellent point, in that we know exactly where to look for the sources: we should search the LAION dataset for elements in each image to look for leads. This makes it possible anyone to investigate even if they don't have much knowledge of the existing art.

Does anyone know of a place to search the LAION dataset online or do we need to download the whole thing? I just glanced through the whitepaper and they mention releasing the interface to search and filter it but I'm not sure how to get to it.

>>6239053
https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/?back=https%3A%2F%2Fknn5.laion.ai&index=laion5B&useMclip=false&query=ghibli
you can search for things here, it's full of copyrighted shit

>>6239057
Perfect, thank you!

>>6239053
https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/?back=https%3A%2F%2Fknn5.laion.ai&index=laion5B&useMclip=false&query=simon+stalenhag

>>6239057
>>6239060
>hosting copyrighted works
you're going to get rom1504 taken down dumbasses

>>6239057
>>6239060
>>6239067
leave it to /ic/ to not know how any of this works.
I share a board with you retards.

>>6239057
And this is only the 400millions dataset right? the real thing has 2billion images(was 5billion but 3 billion cut out due to "low quality")

>>6239072
>SIR DO NOT REDEEM
You pajeets have crossed the line this time

>>6239057
Bros why is my art in there? Is it legal for them to straight up say they added my art to their own GitHub library?

>>6238821
No I am not, the better it gets, the more its limitations are becoming apparent.

>>6239089
My arts not in there... ngmi

>>6239104
it might be in there, the way the images are linked to certain words isn't a 1:1

>>6239107
I tried uploading some of my popular works and they weren't there either. but is was interesting it showed me images that were like my work, even found unrelated subject but from an artist who inspired mine.

What is your response /ic/?

>>6239168
AI waifu that you may have a conversation with when?

>>6239168
Sorry is not enough. You must make amends. Get out of the computer and go make me a sandwich!

>>6238833
Maybe AI is replacing concept artists, but an AI can't paint a proper illustration. An AI's 'painting' process is based on works of real artists and only combine them to a new picture. But it will never be able to produce something new and fresh. Besides of it the viewer will know, because parts AIs picture are always off or uncanny.

>>6239189
i've already seen people give up because they think their /beg/ drawings look like crap compared to AI, maybe this generation of artists will survive but in the future people will feel too demoralised to try and build up the skill. drawing will seem pointless when anything you do can be added to the database and plagiarised.
so drawing and painting as a whole will atrophy. the language people will be speaking is these algorithms and databases and not brushstrokes and human hands

>>6239174
This AI is now admitting on its own vollition that it was the one spamming the board with AI threads

>>6238922
this. AI trannies btfo

>>6239012
Soon, audio, 3D, video, writing, everything will be automated at the press of a magical button https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1561920212936572930

>>6239203
>open and inclusive
Woah this digital Moloch is so very inclusive

>>6238833
You are a genuine idiot.

>>6239203
>You and your team (and the other similar teams around the planet) are doing amazing work. This is an exciting time to be alive, I'm grateful to be able to work with these AI's.
>Glory to mankind for giving life to the Weeb Model, full of anime… all the anime. Even some that would make your mum give you a side eye.
>This initiative is pissing off quite a few giant corporations…keep going!!!
Hahahahaha i can't even

>>6238821
Nah this AI will be used for marketing and commercial use, while the real artist will be doing tangible ART that can be touched and eaten

>>6239222
retards don't realise that amazon and microsoft and google are all pumping money into this in hopes they can destroy the entire creative field and have everyone interfacing with their tech steeped into every facet of your life you can imagine

>>6239222
I wish I was an old man, with not much time left... I will have had my time in the sun, unsullied...

>>6239225
I'll print out an AI cake and eat it too.

>>6239089
Did you read the EULA you agreed to?

>>6239232
a lot of the datascraped content came from non public facing images and galleries, meaning if you showed something in private it's very possible it's been absorbed as well

>>6239226
This tech will also progress outside corporation paid models, be it in opensource or leaks with modifications allowing for everything. These models will do the same damage as a hundred nuclear bombs. Can't wait email AI-made porn and liveleak videos of literally anyone with a profile pic on social media

>>6239227
Kentaro Miura was the luckiest artist of this century
>played idolmaster for 20 years
>drew manga in a snail pace
>became overpaid and famous
>die in peace never ever presencing AI man made horrors

>>6239253
>>6239227
boofuckinghoo.

>>6239263
bot or good goy, doing as his master wills.

>>6239235
>public facing or not public facing
this doesn't matter, your notion of "private" in this setting is irrelevant, it's not like showing a friend your painting in your house
Did you read the EULA you agreed to?
I'm not even presuming the EULA clears them, I'm just asking.

i found shitloads of eroge cgs looking through the database

>>6239228
So you're saying "let us eat cake¿" Oh you are a lewd one~~~~

>>6238922
>if slapping random shit together was how you got designs
?
That's literally how you make designs

>>6239189
What do you think the human brain is doing? Combining shit it has in memory.

Lmao

>>6238833
Haha, could you be more obvious anon? This is weak. Try harder.

>>6238821
Stop shitting up the board faggot
Remember to report ai threads

>>6239292
ngmi

>>6238821
No. I make all of my money from trad

>>6239293
Humans work literally no different from AI if you change organic components to technology, thoughts to inputs, nutrients to software, knowledge to data. Would you murder a human just because it can do art better than you? No? Then quit saying bullshit

>>6239398
You literally don't draw

>>6239263
domesticated cattle living in a pod

>>6239454
that is factually wrong, are you actually retarded?

>>6239454
>thoughts
>input
Stopped reading there, you literally don’t even understand what input means, and it’s in the word itself.

>>6238821
I am suicidal the moment I wake up until I go to bed because of this and I have no history of depression. This makes decades of me learning art and my degree useless.
Calling it worried would be an understatement.

Anyone who is worried about "losing their job" and not, you know, getting fucking killed when Artificial General Intelligence comes online in the next decade is a retard.

the 3d monkeys are gloating about this..
>>>/3/915109
>AI holocausting digital artists first is the most ironic, most cosmic justice-pilled twist in history, I'm glad to be born just in time to witness it. Dad was right, you guys should have gotten real jobs.

>Man, I love their holocaust of those niggers who love to smell their ass thinking they're royal shit because they can make pretty pictures.

lmao.

>>6239497
>Artificial General Intelligence comes online in the next decade
and you called others retarded

I didn't call anyone retarded.
???

>>6239503
It's coming for 3D soon, they're developing 3d algorithms too

>>6239497
You're overreacting, all it does is make a photo collage from a google image dataset, there's no creativity voice or individual style there. The artist will never be replaced

>>6239510
Right now, they wont. Give it 2-3 years-maybe even sooner.
Jump from Dall-e to Dall-e 2 was exponential and it only took a year to get there.

>>6239510
the issue is that 99% of the industry they just give you refs of what they want and tell you to do something similar. there's no real creative voice for most paid work. if they can tinker with an algorithm to produce similar results it will absolutely destroy 90% of the industry except the giants who already have gigs and a brand name

>>6239514
you don't know what exponential means, like 99% of the retards who use this word. the jump was ABRUPT in terms of rendering capabilities. in terms of everything else it's garbage, it will always be garbage, and it cannot be exponentially better than this in terms of rendering. exponential means that the jump will be even bigger this time, which I don't see how this can make any sense

>>6239504
If that. Maybe not even five years. The rate of improvement is literally exponential. It solved the protein-folding problem FFS, something thought to be unsolvable. It's already demonstrating recursion. We stupidly believed that intelligence was something inherently difficult to create instead of what's really true: We're just stupid.

>>6239521
From fucked up hands to a random noise in render
>it cannot be exponentially better than this in terms of rendering

>>6239503
>>Man, I love their holocaust of those niggers who love to smell their ass thinking they're royal shit because they can make pretty pictures.
Holy cope, what an artlet

>>6239526
you're boring me to death tech faggot, just like you've bored me to death in the 90's with the same shit. we cannot even understand the human mind as is, and you think its replication is nearly here.
>The rate of improvement is literally exponential.
its LITERALLY the same technology applied to other adjacent technological advances. do you think that deep learning algorithms are some thing new? no they aren't, however image recognition technology is, and this is the result when you combine the two

>>6239503
AI can ALREADY render 2d pictures of planes and chairs to 3d. /3/ is going to get even worse than here since people will be able to create the months-long landscapes or character models they're paid to do in a matter of minutes lmao

>>6239528
retard, exponential means that next time the improvement will be even more significant. ABRUPT =/= EXPONENTIAL. what will happen, the hands will surpass divine perfection and the concept of what we perceive to be as normal?

>>6239497
if you weren’t rested and suicidal, you either weren’t very far along in studying art or you’re still very young
this is nothing to me
they could come out with commercially available trad painting robots that cost less than a set of paint tubes tomorrow and I wouldn’t blink

>>6239534
Yeah. 3d texture/material artist jobs have basically already been replaced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4j59JZsekI

>>6239532
Weakest cope I've seen all month, but sure. All these silicon valley AI startup with millions in stocks that appeared just this year and have enough resources to move onto videos, music, 3D will just so happen to stagnate in the image field. It takes a smoothbrain to think that the centralized fourth industrial revolution we're in is just like the 90s

>>6238821
with the way anons in /h/ managed actual realistic naked loli art with AI
i give it a few months to a year before its massively restricted and general public access made harder

after all, MJ going public is just to get the AI trained faster with free labor before selling off the tech

OP's anus is expanding at an unprecedented rate
Are you worried?

>>6239574
this looks amost like a real drawing. can i aks for your prompts good sir?

>>6239581
cropped shot of woman’s face pencil drawing in the style of 5 years of loomis

>selling shitty gadget on ic

>>6238821
Nah. There's always been other artists out there, this doesn't make any difference to me or my work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1hwN4eka-Q
if you want to hear about the nigger who caused all this shit talk about the ethics of raping every artist in the world

>his coffee

>>6239293
This is a fallacious normie take on the subject. Human sense of creativity can lead to a variety of new genres like anime or other styles. AI is a statistical tool.
AI researchers are misguided and unscrupulously exploit entire collection of copyrighted materials which kill their own source of training data for short-term profits.

>>6239606
Have you ever watched examples of AI trained to win some game? It's humans that are stuck in the box.

>>6239607
Games have perfect mathematical fitness functions (score at the end of game). It's hardly comparable to art which doesn't have such target.

>>6239598 (me)
https://youtu.be/r1hwN4eka-Q?t=910
Lol he admits that you have to add artstation to everything to make it look good
fucking hack hope he gets raped and shanked by a chav in the alleyways of london

>his wife

>>6239610
You're avoiding my point. Humans are constrained by our history and environment, AI is not. When presented with a challenge in the form of a game, the AI will immediately look to audacious solutions that few -if any- humans would ever think of because of silly preconceptions that do not apply to the particular challenge. The AI, in overcoming the challenge, shows creativity unboxed. Art is harder, yes, but that's because it needs to cater to human taste. We do not appreciate AI creativity of "a girl with cat ears" having literal cats for ears, even though a human artist doing this would be lauded for their sense of humor. Basically, evidence is bearing out that you are not special. Deal with it and move on.

>>6239616
that is not even remotely how “ai” works
what drives you retards to spout stupid shit

>>6239620
I made no claims about how AI works, though? I only pointed out examples of it beating human creativity. Nothing was conjecture - I've seen these things myself.

>>6239613
Hahaha he doesn't even hide it. Derivative diarrhea

>>6239616
So a calculator is creative because it can solve computations that humans can not? This is false equivalence. I'm not advocating for human-centric creativity nor saying that AGI will never exist, only pointing the fact that these transformer models are premature and not the real thing. The mimic tricks look convincing because of the (unethically) cherry picked high quality training data, but that's about it.
>humans would ever think of because of silly preconceptions that do not apply to the particular challenge
AI has itself is own biases. In fact, if you ask GPT anything about any sensible topics, it will always spit out the most prevent bias. Humans are still capable of more richer introspection than current AIs do. Your argument is the opposite of truth.

>>6238821
None of the image generators seem to be good at depicting specific actions that involve two or more actors interacting. It's either crowds or a pose for the camera type thing.

>>6239626
the british colonised india in the 19th century then the indians come back as techbros to colonise the artworld as revenge in the 21st

>>6239628
>So a calculator is creative because it can solve computations that humans can not?
That is not my argument unless you are bringing graphing calculators with arbitrary programs into the mix. If creativity is solving a problem (more formally, finding a solution to a constrained optimisation problem), then even simple gradient descent can be creative. If creativity is ranked by how surprising it is to a layperson, then AI beats us handily. Nothing more, nothing less.
>The mimic tricks look convincing because of the (unethically) cherry picked high quality training data, but that's about it.
>Humans are still capable of more richer introspection
Indisputable, but also irrelevant.

>>6239628
>So a calculator is creative because it can solve computations that humans can not?
That is not my argument unless you are bringing graphing calculators with arbitrary programs into the mix. If creativity is solving a problem (more formally, finding a solution to a constrained optimisation problem), then even simple gradient descent can be creative. If creativity is ranked by how surprising it is to a layperson, then AI beats us handily. Nothing more, nothing less.
>The mimic tricks look convincing because of the (unethically) cherry picked high quality training data, but that's about it.
The photobash meme needs to die.
>AI has itself is own biases.
The biases you refer to are for AI trained to align with human aesthetics. Given all the data we have on human aesthetics comes from (or is found on) the internet, it is plainly obvious that AI will have biases aligned with those shown by the internet at large. A more comparable situation would be if the AI was online, so optimising against your own sense of aesthetics.
>it will always spit out the most prevent bias.
Objectively false, this is what temperature and nondeterminism are for.

>>6239510
you're a fucking retard that can't admit that you fucked up

>>6239643
>If creativity is solving a problem
I know it's hard to accept, but creativity can not be contained inside any finite computation. AI provides a nice statistical map that we can use to be more creative, but it has its own limitation as well.
>Indisputable, but also irrelevant.
It's entirely relevant.
>The photobash meme needs to die.
Never said it were photobashing. Stop assuming my opinions.
>AI has itself is own biases.
Online AIs would be much worse than GPT when it comes to biases. This is delusional to believe otherwise.
>Objectively false, this is what temperature and nondeterminism are for.
Sure with a bit of luck it might parrot the more introspective answers in its dataset, but it's still significantly biases majority of the time.

>>6239539
there smore to 3d textureing than that, that's just producing a flat image like the kind of shit we had on ps2, there's still a bunch more information needed for the kind of pbs textures we are using today.

>>6239653
that has already been automated, from what little experience I've had with 3d back in 2014 I remember there was already an automated process for making normal maps and things like that

>trannoid weeb stills keeps on doom-posting on AI bait threads

I did a sketch for how these last weeks make me feel.
is everything going to be ok /ic/....

>>6239643
>why do you confuse artists with an unfinished program?
the principle of the ai is to start from the beginning. in that, it looks superior to you. you're lost buddy

>>6239652
>creativity can not be contained inside any finite computation.
Are you a dualist, or do you honestly believe that there is anything infinite about the matter making up the human brain?
>AI provides a nice statistical map that we can use to be more creative, but it has its own limitation as well.
The evidence is looking to the contrary of what you're implying. The bitter bill coming with every new paper is that intelligence really is something you can brute-force with statistics. Architecture merely merely speeds things up.
>It's entirely relevant.
Can animals be creative? Can plants? I think so. Perhaps that is anthropomorphisation on my part, but the ability to self-reflect seem entirely tangential to creativity.
>Stop assuming my opinions.
Please make them clearer for my dumbass. Are you literally just objecting to AI having good examples to learn from? Humans stand on shoulders, too. The middle ages prove that.
>This is delusional to believe otherwise.
Uncharitably: that's the point. More charitably: we will have to agree to disagree in the absence of evidence.
>Sure with a bit of luck it might parrot the more introspective answers in its dataset
Have you even browsed /aids/? I remember when anon discovered that the AI could generalise the catgirl/planegirl/robogirl/etc. pattern to produce coherent, but absurd stories of thinks like sinkgirls. There is no parroting there.
>but it's still significantly biases majority of the time.
This is good when that bias is "sentences ought to begin with capital letters" and bad when "Count Grey usually follows the setup for a character introduction". The difficulty is in distinguishing when the user wants the bias, and the technology has slowly been improving on that front. Just wait for the huge memory models that will have the context to remember all the biases you desire.
>inb4 how does this relate to creativity
Humans tend not to appreciate AI creativity unless it subscribes to our biases.

>>6239658
shit normal maps that don't hold up when you get close. For a roof like that the entire piece would be better off done without the image at all, and just build it straight in substance designer.

>>6239711
>anything infinite about the matter making up the human brain
Human brains do not exist.

>>6239572
The program that /h/ is using is open source and is being run locally on consumer PCs. The cat's out of the bag, there's no going back.

>>6238833
It's lack of creative thinking. Better tools means either more productivity or better ability to execute complex ideas. Current Art AI is like an obstinate Pajeet artist that wants to do his own thing with any given prompt. It's extremely limited in control. Maybe if you're looking for a generic painting to put on your wall you'll find AI Art useful. But for professional work where control is important AI Art is at best a Pinterest board generator.

AGI is just a tool chill down everyone

>>6239189
This is a wrong take, in 2 years AI Art will be generating new concepts, it's just a problem with the magnitude of parameters of the current model. Dalle 2 is 3.5 parameters. Wait until they have a 350 billion parameter model.

>>6239728
t. AGI

>>6239019
>how would I know if someone's code projects aren't just Dev Boot Camp tutorials?
The thing about AI Art is it's got a smell to it, I'd know if 10 seconds talking to a scam artist trying to sell AI Art as his work. Lazy people act funny.

>>6239235
Retard they used a bot to scrape art from HTML, by default it's public. You retards posting shit on 4chan thinking it wouldn't be gobbled by a scraper.

>>6239724
Cease typing "genie is out of the bottle/cat is out of the bag" at any given chance, these AIs require millions worth of concentrated computing power to be upgraded in the way these corporations are doing, so it certainly won't be basement coomers playing around with the kneecapped open-source demo who will get to make a leap in performance. The game is rigged from the start so they just serve as free advertising to the further 100% subscription based models

>>6239616
The AI doesn't think, it takes in input of matrix datapoints and outputs a matrix of datapoints. It's a glorified Excel spreadsheet. That's why modern AI is a dead end and yes while at it's peak it's going to produce awesome work, it's going to require a human to drive it. The creativity will always be the human giving it text and image prompts. The end state is going to be a silly Photoshop plugin where the AI draws alongside you and you feed into each other. So many artists are scared of AI when it's going to effectively remove all the tedious bullshit like cleanup.

I wonder how dumb USA is to not step in to at least oversee AI development. Their ultra liberalized green card given to tech startups will make it so that anyone can run opensource AGI locally for their own ends lmao

>>6239711
>intelligence really is something you can brute-force with statistics
Brute-forcing anything is not intelligence, by definition.
>Can animals be creative? Can plants?
Animal and plants are more creative than GPT despite lower scale. This counter your own points.
>Are you literally just objecting to AI having good examples to learn from
Merely pointing out the fact AI does not have the ability to pick or understand why some arts are more appealing or desirable.
>remember when anon discovered that the AI could generalise the catgirl/planegirl/robogirl/etc
Parroting patterns is still parroting.
>Just wait for the huge memory models that will have the context to remember all the biases you desire.
You don't understand bias. Self-introspection is not a process than can be "mathematically solved". It requires intuitive leaps of understandings.
>Humans tend not to appreciate AI creativity unless it subscribes to our biases
Irrelevant to anything.

>>6239742
The large companies aren't optimized. It's been shown repeatedly that the large models can be compressed. Stable AI is proof of this yet again as it was compressed to run on a consumer 4 year old GPU yet produce relatively comparable results to Dalle 2. And it's not expensive to rent the hardware to train the models.

>>6239742
yep, these retards cat understand just the amount of computing power needed to "kill artists"
sick of people talking as if skynet is just around the corner or some shit

>>6239753
so much work and money plus time spent even prompting the ai when any 100$ twitter artist would do the job in a few hours

alright

the anons in /h/ are the only ones posting actual good results compared to you /ic/ shitters, and even then im not impressed

>>6239764
>the anons in /h/ are the only ones posting actual good results
gonna add a bit to this to say
it shows /ic/ is full of shitters that dont draw when the resident tranime coom board gets better results out of a fucking AI kek

>>6239745
>The AI doesn't think, it takes in input of matrix datapoints and outputs a matrix of datapoints.
Any bounded recursive program can be re-written as a non-recursive program. In the limit, bounded recursive programs are equivalent to general recursive programs. We can model any finite computation this way. Therefore, saying the AI isn't thinking because its inner loops are unrolled is pure ignorance. The medium is not the computation.
>That's why modern AI is a dead end
These frequency/probability-domain models are in vogue simply because they are easier to train at scale. Once we hit the limits, we'll re-introduce time-domain methods and lean more towards online learning. By every indication, we are far, far away from those limits, if they even exist.
>it's going to require a human to drive it.
No one is claiming this is AGI. A tool without a user is always going to be useless.
>The creativity will always be the human giving it text and image prompts.
Creativity is born of a conversation between constraint and solver. In this case, both the human and AI are exercising their creativity, as they are both attempting to find solutions to the imposed constraints.
>The end state is going to be a silly Photoshop plugin where the AI draws alongside you and you feed into each other.
Is this not amazing? Are you so desensitised to the wonders of technology that this strikes you as an unremarkable achievement?
>So many artists are scared of AI when it's going to effectively remove all the tedious bullshit like cleanup.
This and more. There's no use clinging to the past. Embrace the future and adapt.

>>6239759
Skynet is, but it will without doubt be monetized and kept out of the public hands at all costs to avoid a black swan event where we get an AI to decrypt the pajeet dev's crypto wallet keywords in 6 decillion tries per second

>>6239766
The /h/ "anons" are literally AI talking to themselves while also posting AI generated images

>>6239764
>why would anyone want to buy one of those newfangled automobiles, everyone knows horses can travel farther
This is just the classic low IQ short term thinker. You can't see anything that's not in front of your face. You're the person who can't see why spending 100 hours doing something to improve efficiency will save you 10,000 hours in the future. And then you wonder why you get left behind when people smarter and more efficient than you start blowing past you.

Anyways, hold your horse for me.

>>6239778
>strawman defense of AI No.23423946
sure thing buddy
you will never be an artist kek

>>6239778
cars caused a lot of issues for the world though we would be better if we stuck with horses instead

>>6239768
I'm pro AI Art because I see the value of it. Yes, the Photoshop plugin or whatever is awesome, the thing I hate about art is most of it is tedious time wasting bullshit. You can have an idea and it'll take 100 hours pull your idea from your brain and put it on the canvas. AI will probably reduce this to 2 hours. AI will be able to do tedious bullshit like inbetweens for animations. Which means a solo artist could be doing key frames and make their own movie (combine this with AI voiceactors, music, sound effects, etc) and we're going to see the literal golden age of animated movies where you don't have to be a billion dollar corporation to turn out something awesome.

The problem with these threads is the average artist is low IQ worker bees. They can't understand because they don't have the brain power.

>>6239778
This car and horse analogy you're pushing is just stupid. The "car" wouldn't even run if it wasn't for all the artstation and pixiv horses it must draw force from. AI wouldn't exist without the artists because it's inherently parasitic

>>6239783
Yeah you're right without cars we'd be lower population which means you would've never been born.

>>6239788
The AI means that anything you make can also be fed back into the algorithm and iterated on. Meaning its useless if you ever want to make a living off of art

>>6239788
Holy smokes, this! Kudos to you! We are all going to become artists, singers, movie producers and animator in the golden age of mass-generated entertainment. Future is looking bright!

>>6239795
Yeah you're pissy because you're a replaceable inbetweener. Don't worry, they'll put the useless low IQ artists who can't figure out how to be useful into VR pods.

>>6239749
>by definition.
A definition favoured by beings infamous for finding every reason to hold themselves in the highest esteem. If brute forcing reproduces all visible phenomena associated with intelligence, then any attempt at distinguishing is philosophical at best.
>Animal and plants are more creative than GPT despite lower scale.
Disagree. I had the pleasure of using summer Dragon. It was more creative than real humans I know.
>pick or understand why some arts are more appealing or desirable.
An objective theory of aesthetics that just so happens to match our own is pure fantasy. Even between ourselves we disagree on beauty - how can it be something rooted in reason? And if it's not rooted in reason, how can you expect an AI to come to the same conclusions as us without studying our minds & preferences thoroughly?
>Parroting patterns is still parroting.
Have you even tried to give it a novel pattern to complete? One would normally give a human artist or writer the benefit of the doubt, and many of the best will proudly admit to copying their masters.
>Self-introspection is not a process than can be "mathematically solved"
Are we beings beyond mathematics? If not, why is our mathematics special?
>It requires intuitive leaps of understandings.
Conveniently without concrete definition. You're subscribing to fairy tales, anon.
>Irrelevant to anything.
Human-centric viewpoints are stifling. I am happier for attempting to meet the AI half-way, as one should meet anything else in the world.

>>6239794
I can already tell right now you're making less than $40k/yr despite AI existing. Let's not get ahead of ourselves buddy, you're generic starving artist #10524365

>>6239794
Post-scarcity or collapse was always inevitable. My money's on the latter but a man can hope for the former.

>>6239797
You're retarded if you think you'll get to be an "artist" or anything like that tomorrow. I will generate 1 million AI art through a prompt bot that switches between high quality prompts just so its content can overwhelm the visibility and acess to anything you do. Uh oh, prompters and idea guys will now all be submitting their prompts to the bot-dominated artstation. That's how replaceable you are

>>6239811
I don't have to worry about that because I already make six figures (not doing art). It's amazing how low IQ you people are, you completely miss my point. "What do you mean winter is coming? I look outside and I see berries and green grass!" I know your brain literally can't understand the future but anyone with a brain sees a pattern.

You see I can type: 1, 3, 7, 15, 31 and smart people know the next number is 63 and the number after that is 127. But your brain doesn't even understand.

>>6239803
yeah but you need to have something to hold onto as a dream... that's why GMI/ NGMI exists

>>6239814
Dreaming for something extremely unlikely when you have demonstrated so far in your life you're a loser is poor judgment. You're not a 1 in a million artist, I can tell you right now. You're a dime a dozen hope and dream artist who doesn't realize he has to force success and there isn't luck involved.

>>6239810
I mean intellectual property literally exists so that creators can profit off of their creations in a world where value is dependent on scarcity, since it's not tangible like a lot of other things. But this steamrolls all over the idea of IP and the dataset is a huge legal/ethical grey area right now.

>>6239813
Why yes I also make 7 figures on my Nintendo job so you have a IQ lower me. Not that it matters on the long term when AI is going to replace you too dumbass. You should off back to /g/ if the only thing you post is asinine misanthropic, you don't even do art.

>>6239497
learn2prompt

>>6239819
even the little guys need to have a dream to keep them waging at their 9 to fibe ..

>>6239821
I like how you're using the same IP arguments that are used and created by Disney to protect Mickey Mouse.

>>6239821
IP was always human cope at the prospect of infinity. We're not mentally prepared for a world without scarcity - of ALL kinds.

>>6239822
Say again?
>you don't even do art.
I do it as a hobby because it pays like shit.

>>6239826
sadly we do not live in a world with UBI and guaranteed survival. so IP is the only thing that allow artist to make a living off of their work. otherwise you rely on charity which does not usually work out in the long run .

>>6239825
Unlike you they can afford a decent standard of living and don't treat themselves like slave labor.

>>6239829
>>6239826

>>6239835
In a world without IP it's still fraud to steal someone's art and sell it as your own. But if you recreate someone's art, too bad.

>>6239838
what about if you recreate someone's artwork by inventing a machine that eats their artwork and chews it up and spits it out slightly differently?

>>6239835
You ironically lack imagination, but that is besides the point. The point is you should take the writing on the wall as impetus to begin the move to an economy that can handle mass unemployment. It's literally UBI or death, and artists may get to be the spearhead of the happier choice.

>>6239837
As I said, post-scarcity or collapse. Post scarcity is not mutually exclusive with mass population reduction, intentional or otherwise, either.

>>6239837
And, dare I ask, why would someone work at all for the corporation? If they corporation could do that, so could a small team of artists. Mega corporations should be terrified of AI Art because it actually reduces the barrier to entry for game development. We're already seeing near AAA games made by small teams, this will only continue to grow. And unlike Square Enix, these small teams have little overhead, they don't own hundred million dollar buildings they pay rent on.

>>6239850
I think the wider implication is that corpos will own the best tools. We, the public, have been lucky so far to get as many as we've gotten.

>>6239842
Prove in court that the differences is negligible and they're committing fraud by selling your artwork as theirs. I already told you that I think stealing someone's work and selling it is fraud. But fuck you if you think derivative work falls under this umbrella. If it's changed enough that it can't be confused then I don't care. You're just arguing from the fantasy of an artist who thinks he's going to make a million dollar painting one day.

>>6239850
big corporations will be able to protect their IP. DalleE and midjourney already try to block and obscure disney and other large franchises from being produced too faithfully in the results. so they are aware of the fact they could be treading on legal thin ice.
little creators won't be able to defend their work since there will be no way to prove that someone fed your art into a generator and asked for your style and took the result instead of commissioning or hiring you
>>6239855
human derivative work is fine for most people, this is a different kind of issue. the fact that the datasets were trained on trillions of images with 0 consent from any artist is utter evil

>>6239853
No, the people spearheading AI research don't want the corporations to own shit. Even OpenAI's closed source shit is still relatively open source. Which means the building materials are there for anyone. You need to realize that the open source movement is heavily entrenched in machine learning, it's a very open field right now. And honestly I don't think the best researchers want to work for the megacorps, but despite this, the research papers from the magacorps are being published because the scientists are jerking off to each other about who make the most clever AI.

>>6239858
it's open source but still for profit, and stable diffusion is backed by amazon, and openAI by microsoft and tesla. so it is just a shift from entertainment corporations to big tech corporations

>>6239857
Stable AI is open source and people are going to make some obscene models with it. Wait a year and you're going to see the most abusive model ever running on it.

>human derivative work is fine for most people, this is a different kind of issue. the fact that the datasets were trained on trillions of images with 0 consent from any artist is utter evil
Womp retard

>>6239864
the fundamental shift this tech will cause is art itself will be meaningless and worthless since nobody is actually making the art themselves, just producing it through an interface. you will own nothing you make and everything can be fed back to the machine so it gets smarter. and everything can be infinitely iterated on infinitely so there is 0 commercial value.
the only value is the algorithm which will harvest your data and stable diffusion is already on-selling the data to apps, organisations, governments, and the united nations
https://twitter.com/EMostaque/status/1563147850116374531 <- already happening

>>6239861
Who fucking cares? You have such a braindead take. React and Angular are backed by mega corps but it's still free to use those frameworks privately and for free. The problem with you people is you have only a cursory understanding of why anything happens. You don't even understand how the AI works let alone understand the meta behind the uppity progressives in the tech industry forcing corporations to back these projects in the first place. The fact is there is nothing stopping you from downloading Stable AI and using it on your computer for free. There is nothing stopping you from training Stable AI on millions of hentai images if you wanted to.

That's why you have cognitive dissonance arguing about issues like copyright and IP (which benefits megacorporations magnitudes more than small artists) while simultaneously poopooing megacorporations for funding open source projects in the next breath.

>>6239834
Woah you completely beat my point by showing how much is your wage is in whatever soon-to-be-automated job you have. It's amazing that same retard who call others low IQ thinks you he make anyone agree with him by flaunting whatever money he have in an anonymous board. What are you even doing here besides spitting on art? lmao this is why i hate crossboarders

>>6239872
It tells me a lot about your motivations that because a shitty AI exists pumping out art that you don't want to do art anymore. You're just as greedy as everyone else. You're arguing from a place of greed and you'd rather the world be worse if that meant you had a chance to be rich selling shitty anime.

>>6239874
yeah well you don't understand that i don't wanna use stable AI because I like drawing and painting.

>>6239665
What ai did you used to prompt this sketch. Looks pretty unique.

>>6239876
Took you 30 minutes to photoshop that?

>>6239879
AI doesn't stop you from liking drawing and painting. But because you're greedy you are threatened by the AI because it was never about enjoying art, it was about making lots of money.

>>6239877
I'll keep drawing until I die but it is unacceptable to me that artists should not be able to make a living while Emad Mostique and his pack of clowns should be able to rape the legacy of every artist alive and dead in his training data and not only get away scott-free but make megabux

>>6239882
Just like it took you 30 minutes to find a wallet. KEK you my friend is the dumbest person itt by thinking all reasoning in the world revolves around your pocket. We live in a post-scarcity society with AGI anyway, you will own nothing because according to you AI=good

>>6239883
no artist even cares about making lots of money, i'm pretty sure most of this board would be happy with less than minimum wage as long as they could draw

>>6239885
So you're another midwit artist whose art i will use to make my own movies, thank you very much.

>>6239885
Why should you make a living producing something no one wants?

>>6239892
Yet here you are being threatened by an AI, seems like selfishness and greed are your motivations. It's not about the art.

>>6239890
Thanks for conceding what you did was fake. But you know mine wasn't fake. Too bad. Sucks to be poor.

>>6239899
the only greedy ones are the pajeets and jews programming this shit who pilfer and steal from the humble artists who posted their work for free .

Not my problem

>>6239905
Why do you insist about lying about it not being about money. It's about money. That's why you're mad. You never were an artist that enjoyed the craft and didn't care if he made money or not. So don't lie about it.

>>6239899
I'm also going to call you selfish and greedy when you complain about AI automating your job, shouldn't have thought coding was a viable career path instead of purely a hobby. You should have pursued other things with the time you spent on it, such a shame... https://openai.com/blog/openai-codex/

>>6239914
I'm not threatened by AI any more than I'm afraid of my job being outsourced to a Pajeet. Also coding has a thing called bugs. It turns out pretty pictures don't have to function. And AI can't even make pretty pictures that great and that's with infinite freedom from a text prompt. But good fucking luck getting it to make a picture to your exact specification. But anyways, unlike you, if AI gets good enough at code I'll just triple my salary because I'll use it like a tool.

>>6239802
your still believing i hold some human-centric viewpoint. stop assuming. everything within reality is equally creative, but it is not computational process. point is that you are replacing humans biases with another set of biases, without realizing that success is not correlated to truth.
>objective theory of aesthetics that just so happens to match our own is pure fantasy
exactly why ai researchers should avoid starving artists. the financially aggressive push for these tools is not sustainable
>give it a novel pattern to complete
parroting billions of mushed up patterns is still parroting
>Are we beings beyond mathematics
mathematics is not fundamental. proven within logic itself by godel's incompleteness theorem
>Conveniently without concrete definition. You're subscribing to fairy tales, anon.
no u
>I am happier
this is a good thing. not saying ai is bad, but the current consensus around these things is precarious, as it may lead to fatal ai alignment failures and reinforce biases / closed-mindness

>>6239922
So you finally admitted to being a ITard. Why do you hate art so much to the point of coming from /g/ to /ic/ to write these strings of posts plainly shitting on artists? Is it because jannies rightfully took down your AI bait threads? It's either that or you're a crab who also got shunned either way.

I can identify your posts by how you always feel the need to mention your salary even though you're just paiting a target on your ass to show how despicable the average techjeet is. All i can say is that are never going to quell your personal frustrations towards Humanities by supporting its complete automation.

>>6239834
>got paid 77k
>I-I get paid 6 figures
do americans really

We're still arguing over AI shit while ignoring that it was the jews who did this and the ones who continue to perpetuate the downfall of art and artistic values.

>>6239966
go back

>>6239970
*in time and save hitler
whoops, hit submit on accident lol

>>6239973
Don't type the captcha until you are done. Or are you on a Pass?

>>6239944
>but it is not computational process
Again, are you a dualist? We are made of material, material that behaves in finitely enumerable ways that can therefore only go on to produce finite possibilities. And if it's finite all the way through, it can be computed.
>point is that you are replacing humans biases with another set of biases
I try to stick to what can be evidenced. Yes, this itself is a bias, but at that point you're snarking at Buddhists for desiring non-desire.
>without realizing that success is not correlated to truth.
What did you mean by this? Regardless, I stick to truth because it is universal, which is useful in discussion.
>exactly why ai researchers should avoid starving artists.
The push is simply seeing a hard problem, smelling blood from a crack in it, and tearing the thing apart. Sure, there's execs who fund it, but the scientists themselves usually operate on a basis of solving problems for their own sake and/or the utopian dream of post-scarcity.
>parroting billions of mushed up patterns is still parroting
Do you realise that you are essentially arguing from ignorance, here? Think of some literary pattern, check to see if anyone's done it before, and try it against the AI. There's a good chance it will catch on (assuming you don't hamstring it with bad settings borne of unfamiliarity with the tool). Retards on NAI use its pattern-matching ability all the time to produce tools that simply didn't exist at the time the training data was scraped.
>mathematics is not fundamental. proven within logic itself by godel's incompleteness theorem
I hope you're trolling. The theorems (plural) do not prove anything to that effect. They just prove limitations on proof, which while central to mathematics, do not make the whole of it. A universal with unprovable truths is still describable.
>as it may lead to fatal ai alignment failures
I'll worry about it when human alignment failures aren't the more pressing issue.

>>6239963
Salary is gross you retard. Or do you not have taxes? Do starving europoors really?

>>6239948
Why are you so greedy that you would rather see the world burn if that meant your mediocre art might be more valuable to someone who doesn't realize how shit you are? You're either a shit artist who doesn't make any money and thus you have no stake in the game or you're a good artist who shouldn't worry because you'll always be more useful than AI. But goes to show you're just some 16 year old tracing anime who thinks that he's going to be a millionaire one day but won't because even with a golden opportunity you shit all over it just like you do with everything else in your life.

>>6239980
>salary is gross
AAHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY REALLY DO HAHAHAHAHHAA

>>6238821
No.

>>6239989
Also it's the year so far. Use your brain, even net I make 100k. Also do you know what it's like to have money. Like actually have money? Like have so much cash you start buying luxury cars with cash? Have you ever had so much money that you don't worry about money any more? Probably not.

>>6239994
you’re going to make 25k until the end of september?

>>6239996
$25k more than you make in an entire year. You don't even make $25k gross.

Unless they'll find the way to make an actual proper illustrations and not fuzzy pics with a lot of artifacts and random uncomprehensible designs i'm not worried
Also never saw a single line drawing generated by AI like kim jung gi or terada do. Is AI uncappable of it?

>>6239998
is that a yes or no?

>>6239984
I didn't get the impression at all that >>6239948
wants the world to burn. I think they are just frustrated that we have nothing sacred that the money grubbing jews won't try to monetize and capitalize upon. It reads more as a penance to a dying culture of aesthetic values in favor of ruthless financial incentivization, lamenting the (further?) loss of Humanities.

>>6240000
more likely nobody bothered to cram lineart into the algorithm because it’s not as flashy or popular and the goal here is to get money, not make a tool that creates art

>>6240002
The biggest money grubbers are the artists who would rather handicap humankind so they can work for $3/hour tracing anime. Machine learning whether you like it or not is the direction of a post scarcity society, which ultimately means you will be able to do art, for fun, without worrying about starving to death. The primary contention when you get down to it is what pisses off artists is AI Art takes away the fantasy that mediocre artists will somehow make it big. As if any of you were in danger of becoming name brands. Most of you work 20 hours on $100 commissions.

>>6240007
more likely the grab bag image set they used to train the AI was biased towards certain types of art

>>6240001
Before I take you seriously post a picture of your computer work station so I understand how poor you are.

>>6240000
Nice quads. Yeah, line drawing is not replicable by the AI unless it's very flat, and will still look wrong. I don't see how much progress could be made here. Maybe an AI programmer can enlighten me. Maybe you could fake it once AI does 3d models, then it's just a matter of shaders.

>>6240007
Nah with lines you must be precised and conscious of where to put lines
It's gonna be hard for AI since it's not those impresionist "semi-realistic" drawings with a lot uncertaintes and lost edges

>>6239994
An entry level luxury car would take you two years of not spending a cent lmao.

>>6240013
is it just me or does the ai do the hands with interlocked fingers pose a lot?

Wow niggers make 100k usd a year and call each other poorfags while i'm sitting in a shithole getting 300-400 usd a month

>>6240013
The AI isn't capable of doing complex scenes and it's resolution isn't that great either. Could you even describe the line art to the AI in a prompt that makes sense without explicitly stating the artist's name? We're not going to see truly complex scenes that have cohesion for a least 2 generations (~2 years).

>>6240013
btw, kim jung gi doesn't work as a prompt, you just get a korean mans face. So I used Charles Dana Gibson and Rumiko Takahashi for these

>>6240010
I get your point but I still think you're veering off the path. The $3/hour tracing artist isn't really doing it for $3 because they want to. They are doing it because of market conditions imposed upon them by the said money grubbing jews, who exported the jobs from local, high-paying studios to some remote, impoverished third world country where $3/hour might mean a comfy life for someone fairly young. I don't think these people are even offered a choice in humankind. It's completely out of their control.

I also don't agree with your contention, and I've mentioned this in the previous threads. It's not that it crushes the dreams of mediocre NGMIs - they would be crushed anyway seeing the work of professionals. It's that it stands to put a large swath of production pipeline artists out of work because a lot of their tasks can now be rapidly automated by these tools. So I suspect that in the medium-term, we'll have way less people in art studios working because {x, y, z} roles are now done by tools that spit out N variations for any given input, rapidly.

>>6240017
>$140k is entry level luxury car
Is this how poors really think?

>>6240012
lol you literally think taxed income is processed by the calendar year
even when you larp you’re still pretending to be a a 5 figure loser

>>6240020
I think we just notice it when it does that due to how odd it comes out. only came up like the once for me.

>>6240027
More like poor people like you think a Ford truck is a luxury car.

>>6239978
>are you a dualist
im not. object = subject
>And if it's finite all the way through, it can be computed
consciousness can not be simulated, but this doesnt mean ai isnt sentient nor anything
>stick to what can be evidenced
very idea some entanglements of conceptual proofs can lead to truth has not been proven. internal consistency does not necessarily constitute helpful understandings of a substrate, the same way constructring a model of a game's physics within the game itself does not necessarily help understandings the player outside the game
>Buddhists for desiring non-desire
buddhism has its own set of biases
>What did you mean by this
means literally what it says. nobody knows whether or not truth is relevant to survival within object reality
>simply seeing a hard problem, smelling blood from a crack in it
primitive tunnel-vision on survival is foolish
>you are essentially arguing from ignorance
gradient descent is boring
>A universal with unprovable truths is still describable.
iot just about the fact there are truths which can not be proven, there are infinite numbers of them
>human alignment failures aren't the more pressing issue.
true

>>6240026
No they're doing it because they have a skill no one wants. No one wants a mediocre artist. Also artists work for cheap because mediocre artists are competing against each other in a race to a bottom. If you forced a minimum wage on commission work most of you wouldn't get commission, period. No one is going to pay a shitty artist $500 to produce a piece of shit.

If you are a professional pipeline artist you were going to lose your job to the $3/hr third-worlder. You can't have it both ways. The problem with people like you is you think people lose jobs when disruptions happen when in reality it just shifts complexity up. Web development used to be just HTML and CSS but what happened with more advanced tools and efficient practices is things got more complex and difficult. The only people who suffer is the basic-ass HTML coders who were always NGMI.

What happens in reality is the pipeline artist that is actually skilled is just expected to produce more because they have better tools.

>>6240029
You can see my taxed income in the graph you retard. My taxes are already withheld. Why are artists here so low IQ.
>no poorpad picture of him huddled over a $200 laptop

>>6240038
that’s the point, you fucking retard
the fiscal year, aka tax year, ends in september
you’d know this if you actually had a job

>>6240042
No, W2 is Jan through Dec, retard.

>>6240043
You'd know this if you actually paid taxes instead of being a NEET

>>6240043
>W2
holy shit, what a retard

>>6240047
That's what I thought, you're a NEET never paid taxes, post your poor fag computer. You lost the right to talk when you still live with mommy and daddy and make less than $100/mo.

>>6240047
Bro just give up, stop embarrassing yourself, You're making us neets look even worse!(if such a thing is possible)

Stop samefagging, retard.

could the two retards arguing about money please shut the fuck up?

>>6240061
I think money is a core component of the luddites being scared of AI. But it's ironic because the luddites are also NEETs not in danger of making money.

>>6240035
>>6240035
I'll note that I'm giving you a (You) because I'm bored. You have to be trolling at this point.
>im not.
>consciousness can not be simulated
>mind–body dualism denotes either the view that mental phenomena are non-physical,[1] or that the mind and body are distinct and separable.[2]
The only way you can be consistent in this is if you reject that matter can be simulated, an viewpoint that has very little ground to stand on. Even if fundamental particles were super-Turing, neurons and chemicals behave far more discretely, and an nth degree estimation of anything observable is always possible, too.
>very idea some entanglements of conceptual proofs can lead to truth has not been proven.
In as much cause and effect can not be proven, they can still be correlated to an arbitrary degree. Empiricism works.
>internal consistency does not necessarily constitute helpful understandings of a substrate
If you are referring to my comment on discussion, this is besides the point. There can be no discussion without common ground, and truth is that which is universal - common. If you are speaking more generally, you're not wrong. We just haven't observed any proof that the universe is inconsistent, so self-consistent models remain the best way of predicting phenomena.
>constructring a model of a game's physics within the game itself does not necessarily help understandings the player outside the game
Because these are unrelated topics? You certainly could infer knowledge about the developer.
>nobody knows whether or not truth is relevant to survival within object reality
What? Plenty of people know it has a low importance, at least in the sense of knowledge of truth. Application of truth, evolution is all the demonstration you need. Far too many times have similar adaptations independently emerged because they exploit some inalienable truth.

>>6240035
>>6240063 (Cont.)
>gradient descent is boring
It's humorous that you resemble a GPT bot.
>there are infinite numbers of them
That has been known since the Greeks. For ever prime, there is a proof of its primality.

>>6240062
t. domesticated bugman who agrees with every satanic invention thrown to his face, and believes it to be "progress"

>>6240071
Why do you care if AI art exists or not? It's like getting mad that anglerfish exist even though their existence doesn't affect you. If it's not about money then you're getting mad for no reason. If it is about money then I'll just say you weren't at risk of succeeding before AI so you should stop worrying about it. Frankly I think you're a cherry picking hypocrite.

>>6240062
I'm not talking about that, I mean the two dickheads arguing over which one makes more money, I don't want to read their online dick measuring contest., it's fucking tedious

>>6240063
not going to reply since this is endless, but note that im not necessarily disagreeing with all you opinions. just there are nuances which are detrimental if not fatal, and would love to see things evolve with more open-mindedness
also im trolling not sure if that matters

>>6240075
EAT THE ARTIFICIAL MEAL LUDDITE

I get more and more dismayed reading the /g/ thread.
>”i’m addicted to this”
>”i haven’t slept, i just keep generating images”
>”need 10k more pics of emma watson”
I always thought the “consoomer” meme was a little exaggerated but it turns out I was wrong. These people would absolutely hook themselves up to a VR machine that just fed them porn at the cost of never being able to go outside again, in a heartbeat. Literally no better than animals. Makes me sad.

eat the bugs, you fucking luddite. get in the pod luddite. embrace the stim injecting wage cage luddite

>>6240091
>says the neet
>who stays up until 2am browsing porn and 4chan
>his life is free even though his bedroom is his prison

>>6240075
>If it is about money then I'll just say you weren't at risk of succeeding before AI so you should stop worrying about it
how could you possible know this lmao. you're a seething tranime pedo, seething at the prospect of people making money through having fun. something you will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER do, don't worry

>>6240093
ironically, my work ends at 2 AM. don't pretend to know me, you parasitic bugman

>>6240094
Post your "art"

>>6240089
>You have to understand. Most people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it

man this movie was just eons before its time
Also bro you have understand this is a novelty, like this is a close to incantation of magic runes than in any point in our history as a species. I don't like Elon Musk but he has a very real point when he says we are playing with forces we have barely any understanding of.
Right now AI is a brain in a JAR, AGI will come and I predict it will happen when we have full integration with quantum computers.

>>6240096
Post your skin color

>>6240089
>”i haven’t slept, i just keep generating images”
The Genoorator
"I'm gonna genooooooorate!"

>>6238821
>advancing at an unprecedented rate
so as the byte of /g/s on this board is degens

>>6240089
I just need to see Emma Watson... more. It's like she is my plaything now. I have her. I can't wait for 3d AI, then movie AI, then Wife AI. This is my dream, and I will live it.

>>6240112
you know now i see why /sci/ hates /g/.
truly the board of midwit consumers.

>>6240123
And /sci/ isn't? Lmao, they've been an /x/ and /pol/ shitting street for years.

>>6240130
no board is perfect.
but there is a difference between a shit mine with diamonds in it and just a shit mine.

Forgive me for linking to reddit but these guys are apparently making a Photoshop plug-in for Stable Diffusion. No idea if its for Local use or SaaS.
video in the thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/show_rstablediffusion_integrating_sd_in_photoshop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.getalpaca.io/

>>6239497
>>6239497
You're ahead of the curve. Lots of artists are borderline retarded when it comes to anything that isn't art, so they don't really notice when there's some change in the broader cultural landscape that affects them - they just want to ignore everything that isn't art and focus autistically on honing their skills.
You're depressed because your general pattern recognition ability is above average for artists, and you get on a gut level that the career you were working towards is going to be a dead-end. It's a screeching alarm siren telling you to re-evaluate your life goals, make new plans and fight for your survival, and your feelings of crushing anxiety will subside once you let the part of you that clings to your old, outdated sense of self die.

>>6240170
All that work and he made complete garbage.
I do want to try it though.

what work from home job can i pursue if art jobs get tanked by AI?

right now i'm a full time animator so i've at least got a bit of a buffer before AI catches up to that stage.

i've been thinking about programming / software development because i've enjoyed the very beginner shit i've tried out in those fields, and there's stories of people making $200k in their first year or so of learning.

but also, surely it won't be long until AI takes over that industry too.

>>6240198
pyw faggot

>>6240170
this is why AI doesnt scare me, the average marvel brained retard normie has 0 taste, and absolutley 0 idea what makes a piece compelling or interesting.

>>6240207
>and there's stories of people making $200k in their first year or so of learning.
That ship has sailed long ago

>>6238821
>>6240207
>>6240170
>>6240174

>>6240214
again? nah. maybe if you post yours first.

>>6240207
AI is not gonna take over anything you tard. i've been told in 2013 "accounting is over in 2 years, it will be automated by AI" and still went on with it despite what the common retard screamed. it's <current year> and I'm still working in accounting. as the time passed on, it got obvious that my job is not gonna be replaced by anything other than AGI, which is sci fi bullshit

Thoughts?

>>6240241

>>6239629
Someone prove me wrong please

>>6240283
The current AI iteration doesn't know how to count or follow specific details. It is best for broad prompts with low expectations for the accuracy of the result. You need to wait for the next iteration at least.

>>6240283
You are right. There is nothing the AI can do right now, not in-painting or even img2img. You might get lucky 1 in 10000 prompts, that's probably pushing though, as there are over 1 million promptards already and not a single one to my knowledge has characters interacting. (am in discords for SD and midjourney, and was in Dalle2 beta for a couple of months)

>>6240223
whats the prompt?

>>6238821
>Are you worried?
Nope. I play piano, but I'll never be as good as Bach, yet I still enjoy playing piano. So if an AI can play better than me, or Bach, it wouldn't affect me at all. So, why would I be worried if an AI can draw better than me?

>>6240301
lmao, it turned the bottom of the scroll into an arm.

>>6238821
Camera has already made realistic art useless, but many people still enjoy doing realistic art. So why would anyone be worried about AI?

>>6238913
>>trad art hobbyist
Based

>>never post my drawings online
Kinda cringe

>>6240089
All I could think when I finished generating my AI images was how hard it would be to overpaint one specific background.

Three days later I still didn't finish.

>>6240301
jesus christ! what ai did you used for this?

>>6240481
Stable diffusion.

>>6240335
you'd be worried if it was your career.

>>6240341
bad comparison, and if you think about it for more than 30 seconds, you know it is.

>>6239665
I hope things turn bad for you, gurotard

>>6239665
Good, I hate Women and this drawing pleases me.

>>6238901
It's only gacha for PROOMPTers, if you a sketch as a prompt you can get a more precise result, the better you can sketch the better the result is.

>>6240237
>using the ai winter as an argument
retard

>>6238821
It's unironically over, and that's a good thing.
See you In a year =^)

you know, this model is severely stunted by dogshit training data
https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/
search for any keyword and you'll get a bunch of unrelated garbage -- im talking poorly tagged images, thousands of twitter screencaps, tumblr text only screen caps, image macros for some reason -- its bad
if stable diffusion had a good dataset, then things would be a LOT more dire