/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Chinese brands have mostly caught up in the past few years and will provide a near identical user experience for a fraction of the price
Chink shill edition

>>6231346
>Are screen tablets better than graphic tablets?
I wouldn't call either better than the other. They have different pros and cons.

Display tablets feel more "normal" or intuitive, more similar to working with traditional mediums.
Graphic tablets let you see your whole piece without your hand blocking it at all, and allow for better posture.
There are pros that use one or the other, or even both.

>>6231353
Yeah im not falling for the chink trap. I'm sticking with either Wacom or Ipad

I will NOT buy huion
I will NOT buy xp pen
I WILL buy wacom
I WILL buy apple

>>6231363
I've been drawing traditional for my entire life, and digital art for 2 and a half years with a graphic tablet, I can do hand-eye cordination well but there are points where I can't go a line I want because of the graphic tablet, but I can do those lines in paper normally, so I tend to over use the rotate screen and pan button, that's why I'm considering a screen tablet
is the "lag" that bad?

>>6231371
there's no noticeable lag

>>6231371
Same experience for me, I also found that using a screenless tablet for prolonged periods of time made me slightly worse on paper in terms of hand dexterity.

That's why the consensus seems to be that if you focus on clean line work you would prefer a display tablet, painters are most suited for non-display.

Let me guess - you "need" more.

Just ordered a kamvas 22 plus. Is pic related worth buying?

>>6231451
personally I just use my keyboard and have never found much use in shit like that.

>>6231423
Just a bit, yes.

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Im thinking about getting that big Giano g930l by Huion. ( its 16" diagonal)

Not sure if its too big for my 24.1" monitor tho.

I like that its uses a 16:10 aspect ratio which matches my monitor perfectly.

>>6231522
Lmao
Wacom shill is absolutely seething

Real thread:

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ha

:)
When I get home I shall draw

Results for the Tablet survey and link to the poll:
https://strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrLOmrDn3

>>6231594
>huion
>drawing
oh no no no....

>>6231608
I added it to the OP, friend

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>>6231306
Oh! I didn't notice that the OP Includes the poll now, that saves me
a bit of time now so thanks!

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>>6231522
holy shit wacom shill is SEETHING

Review of 10 current tablets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaooGghYRL4

Tablets Featured in the Video:

Wacom Cintiq Pro 32
Huion Kamvas 24 4K
Wacom Cintiq Pro 16
XP-Pen Artist PRo 16 TP
Samsung Galaxy S8 Ultra
iPad Pro 12.9"
Samsung Galaxy S8
iPad Air 4th Gen
Wacom Intuos Pro Large
Xencelabs Pen Tablet Medium Bundle

>>6231683
I won't listen to chang let alone a negro.

Im getting an intuos pro - Thoughts?

>>6231694
you are so racist it's not funny. Have fun being a social outcast for the rest of your life.

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>>6231717
GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>6231683
xp pen artist pro 16 reccd in the vid
can I trust?

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>>6231717
what a fucking loser

>>6231789
bump of truth

:)

why the fuck are there 3 /dtg/s?

>>6231894
other guy couldn't handle someone else making the dtg thread so started spamming his own. he actually made around 10 but they were culled by janitors. not sure why the last one stayed up or why he wasn't outright banned for spamming

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>>6231941
IT MEANS WAR, BURY THE OPPOSITION!!

Talk me out of buying an iPad Pro for drawing, please. I saw James Jean did his art with it and have wanted one since.

>>6231957
just try it out and return it if you dont like it, apple returns are pretty hassle free from my experience

>>6231957
why? it's a great drawing tool. a lot of pros use them in some capacity, either as a mobile sketching tool or sometimes even to do full renderings.

>>6231941
just proof that the janitors on /ic/ are beyond useless. After making 2 or 3 threads and all of them getting deleted, they should have slapped him with some sort of ban, not just let him keep making threads until they got tired of deleting them. Giving in just encourages his extreme autism.

>>6231957
How is the ipad pro release of photoshop doing? Last I heard it was missing a lot of features.
I own one and it's great, I just wish Clip Studio wasnt subscription based and it makes me wish I had a mac so I could use the pro as a drawing tablet for the pc.
Procreate is fucking loaded for a $10 purchase.

>>6231980
there's photoshop for ios? getting an ipad and using anything but procreate is retarded. even csp is kinda dogwater on such a small display.

>>6231978
yeah that kind of laissez faire approach works alright with fast boards but for /ic/ it's a death sentence where you have a few shitty people posting disproportionally and repelling everyone else leading to a downward spiral

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>>6231978
He's quite literally insane, I know for a fact that he posts his own questions in the thread pretending to be other people looking for help so that his thread stays at the top. I wouldn't be surprised if 70% of his /dtg/ is only him.

Couple hour review of the 22 plus
It's gud
No complaints at all
The triple monitor stand I got is kinda meh though. Would be good for normal monitors, but not a tablet. Will probably switch back to the stand it came with

>>6232156
>$900 for a 16 inch display
But why
I get that it has a lot going for it, but it all seems wasted on such a small tablet.

if there are any photoshop wizards I need some help, not sure which thread to post this in.

theres a keyboard shortcut for selecting layers:
Alt+[ selects layer below
Alt+] selects layer above.

but it will skip over a layer if that layer is hidden. how can I make it select a hidden layer, or how can I quickly show/hide a specific layer with a keyboard shortcut?

>>6232183
Some people prefer a smaller tablet, could be because they were used to drawing on printer paper or in smaller sketchbooks.

>>6232226
Does xp pen even offer the same tech in a 24” though? I wrote them off entirely because I thought the pro 24 was the best they had, and it just seemed like a worse Huion

>>6232189
Fuck off you stupid idiot. This is not a software thread, stupid fuck.

>>6232307
WAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAA SNIFFLE FART

>>6232183
4k fee. Which is pointless on a 16" tablet. Even 1440p is tiny, but at least it's usable without any scaling. In general small screen tablet is a good option it you're traveling or moving a lot. You're geting 2 screen setup and don't have to worry about laptop's screen being shit for art.

>>6232371
>4k fee. Which is pointless on a 16" tablet
That's my point. Why do all that for a 16", but have fuck all for the 24 where it would actually be useful?

iPad chads rise up!

>>6232616
What pen do you use?

Anyone tried connecting Ipad Pro to pc as a screen tablet? I tried EasyCanvas and it works well for drawing, but when it comes to paint there's this weird fuzziness in low contrast areas low it's a low bitrate stream video (which it probably is) and this makes painting somewhat unbearable as I'm not seeing details properly. It's like that both with and without a cable connection.
Is it like that with any other similar apps? Is there a way to make the quality in the low contrast areas better? I'm on windows.

>>6232661
>like it's a low bitrate
fix

>>6232653
Apple Pencil 2, no reason to use anything else desu

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>>6231571
kys wacum schizo
I will bump this thread just to make you even madder

Does the other thread that should have been deleted having more posts mean more people that come to dtg just care about retarded drama with a schizo than actually discussing the intended topic?

>>6233017
No, most of the posts are from the same people. All it means is a few annoying retards that are ruining the board want to stew in their own shit rather than actually talk about the intended topic. This thread has less posts but more unique posters.

>>6233017
No, what he does it every time he sees a that isn't his before higher in the catalog, he bumps his own.

Sometimes he deletes the bump, other times he pretends to ask a question, then bumps again later again answering his own question.

Then near the end of a thread you see him post like crazy so he can start a new thread.

>>6233017
Majority of the posts are made by the schizo and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes fake posts arguing with himself to bump the thread, that's how autistic he is.

>>6233017
Is it literally one guy?
I was in the other thread and he legit just calls people morons for even considering anything that isnt wacom
Im new here and was legit just curious about my options
Its also funny that his whole thing is “you cant trust youtube shills, see look at this youtube video as proof”
Ironic

>>6233017
Is it literally one guy?
I was in the other thread and he legit just calls people morons for even considering anything that isnt wacom
Im new here and was legit just curious about my options
Its also funny that his whole thing is “you cant trust youtube shills, see look at this youtube video as proof”
Ironic

>>6233045
It's 1 extremely unhinged guy, yes. He made at least 4 or 5 threads that all got deleted before the current one just stuck because the janitors gave in. This is literally the only thing he has going for him in his life. He has the mentality of a reddit/discord moderator.
That's why I made this thread, to try to actually have a useful /dtg/ instead of one guy raging at anything that isn't wacom (despite not even drawing at all).
That's why there are multiple options from different brands in each category of recommended, as well as a few useful links.

>>6231530
anyone?

>>6233223
why would it be too big?
it's smaller than your monitor

Does anyone know a good vesa ergo stand?
the monitor stand I got yesterday is very wobbly

>>6233098
Yeah idk what hes got shoved up his ass but its wild that any newbie coming in asking questions gets called a chinese retard for even considering something other than wacom

>>6233335
The thing that confuses me the most is why he even cares if someone else buys a non-Wacom brand, it's not like he loses anything out of it. With how hostile and insane he behaves you'd think that he was getting a thousand dollars per Wacom purchase that someone makes.

Does the kamvas 22 plus need a screen protector?

>>6233660
pretty much all display tablets come with a screen protector already applied

>>6233660
Nope it doesnt need one. The surface is etched glass which is already more resistant than a screen protector and mimic the matte texture of it.

Anyone here ever purchased a refurbished wacom?
Wondering if its worth it for the savings or if anyone has had bad experiences

>>6233660
If a display tablet is etched glass you don't need a screen protector, if it isn't etched glass then the display will typically have some form of film over it which wears down with time and usage, thus if you want to keep it in good condition you'll need a screen protector.

>>6233751
>if it isn't etched glass then the display will typically have some form of film over it which wears down with time and usage, thus if you want to keep it in good condition you'll need a screen protector.
the film is a screen protector that they sell that can be replaced.

>>6233751
I think it's a trade off. With etched glass you get that rainbow grain overlay and any damage to the surface is pretty much permanent. With screen protector it gets grainy only when it's used up quite a bit, but you need to buy and replace it every few months depending on the use. It's even more hassle if the manufacturer doesn't even intend you to replace the screen protector like with cheaper cintiq's - it's harder to peel off the original film and you have to get a third party film.

New OP, hell yeah lets goooo

>>6231306
> (Use this guide to roughly calibrate your display if you don't want to invest hundreds into a colorimeter you'll only use a few times)

Thanks OP, been looking for a color calibration guide for quite some time now.

Just a suggestion, it would be great if we can add in to the OP post to avoid Kamvas tablets that use the PW507 pens since those things have a lot of cursor drift to them. Those often go on sale so I imagine it would be tempting to newcomers to buy those and end up regreting it a few months later

>>6231451
Not a necessity if your tablet has buttons, but if not, it's pretty good for ergonomics if you don't have a comfortable place to put your keyboard.

>>6234034
wacom shill is going to force his way into making every new op, same as he does every time someone tries to make a decent thread.

>>6233769
Is it? That's good to know, I thought it was a "permanent" adhesive that wasn't meant to be tampered with.

>>6233819
That is true, although I'm not bothered by that rainbow grainy texture since you don't really notice it once you start working.

The lasting damage thing is absolutely something to consider, but if you're careful around your display and aren't moving it around a lot then the glass should hold up quite well.

Many people carry around their phones everywhere without screen protectors or cases and those don't get completely destroyed (usually).

>>6234149
>"permanent" adhesive that wasn't meant to be tampered with

That's how it is with the cheaper non-pro cintiq's - they use a stronger adhesive and the film is thicker compared to xp-pen, because it's not intended for you to replace the film at any point, which is weird because the surface can be scratched up just in a few months of use.
One of my friends who has cintiq 16 developed a very similar spot as on the pic. Everything in that area is a bit blurry and has the rainbow grain, which is distracting. He first thought he pressed too hard on the screen and damaged it, but then we figured out that it's just the scratches on the screen protector. He's now just using it as if it's a screenless tablet.
That's why non-pro cintiq's should be avoided, they're not worth the price with issues like this.

>>6234316
Damn then what the fuck do I buy
I cant afford a high end tablet
I was looking at the 16 until you said this

>>6234352
Well according to the above it seems like only a Wacom issue, I'm assuming he was implying that the display tablets for XP-Pen and Huion are intentionally replaceable.

>>6234352
kamvas 22 plus has etched glass and is like $400-500

>>6234352
Well that's why a non wacom tablets are actually a reasonable option. You can get a top of the line non-wacom screen tablet for the price of a budget cintiq that will provide a much better value and comparable drawing experience (if not superior, considering the specs and the fact wacom haven't updated their tablets in years). Huion got more options with the etched glass and xp-pen got more with a replacable protective films.
I personally got huion pro 16 2.5k with etched glass and that updated pw517 pen with a shorter nib. It works perfectly fine for me, so look into it if you want a 16" screen tablet. I had intuos pro for years before I went non-wacom and it's pretty much the same drawing experience, to be honest. It's good.

>>6233660
For what it's worth I have a screen protector and it's significantly softer and scratches easier than the screen itself. If you don't find that annoying it will prolong the life of the screen but it's not required.

anybody use the HS611

saw the xp pen artist 12 on sale locally, anyone got any good/bad things to say about it?

>>6234454
12 inch displays are a meme

>bought a 60$ drawing tablet
>no intent to do art 24/7, only ever used it draw covers for music
Why didn't you recommend me the 25$ one you fuck you shills

>>6234555
Wym?

>>6234607
Maybe he's implying it's too small to do any real work on. That's what I feel anyway.

>>6234607
Having drawn on a surface pro 3, a 12" display fucking sucks to draw on. 16" is the minimum I'd recommend.
Only exception is a 12.9" iPad, but that's because procreate has a very minimal ui.

Is there any comparison for chink display tablet gamuts? All they say is "140% sRGB" or "92% Adobe RGB" which can mean anything. I need something more concrete, like a CIE diagram.

>>6234712
Someone got 95% Adobe rgb with a colorimeter with a kamvas 22 plus if that helps at all
It's an actual real number instead if bullshit marketing claims

The yellowing on my cintiq QHD is getting worse after years and years of use, is the cintiq pro 32 a worthy successor?

>>6234850
The what? What exact model cintiq is that? Are they supposed to burn out over time?

>>6231608
>iPad Pro
What if I use an ipad air...

>>6234893
You don’t count and you are worthless

I bought a large wacom intuos for about 400 bucks. I used it once and then put it away. The pen has been sitting out, it has collected dust, and fell off my desk. I wore down one nib after only 2 hours of testing the tablet out. Will have to pay $40 for a "smooth" interchangeable surface.

My extra-large mousepad is dirty. I have bought a new one for $20. I must replace my old mousepad with the new one before I use my drawing tablet again. I last used it months ago. I have no talent, no skill, but I have dreams, and a destiny.

>>6234850
The increased pressure sensitivity, though noticeable isn't a big difference, however I find the resolution is.

More room for menu items or even less if you need more drawing space, it does change your workflow.

If its worth the upgrade, well I might be biased but I say yes, considering that you need to replace. If you were just considering to upgrade while still having a well functioning cintiq, then it would be harder to say yes, though still a yes.

I've never seen a yellowing cintiq before, was yours by any chance constantly exposed to sunlight?

>>6234904
The surface will get a bit smother over time, it will stops eating through your nibs. Also try increasing pressure sensitivity and control how hard you hold and press the pen, you might have death grip on it.

>>6234909
Imagine replacing a cintiq thinking it's dying, but it's actuall just a "night time" or "eye strain" mode turned on.

>>6234914
Well he said it slowly yellowed so I assumed it wasn't that or faulty cables

Even if it's the backlight array that is yellowing and not the panel, its a hard/costly to fix.

Is there some configs for Clip Studio on Galaxy Tab S7? Sometimes i feel it dont register the movement of the pen.

>>6234941
Can panel even start yellowing? I never heard about this. You have 3 filter sheets for r g b, and they don't turn yellow even in very old monitors. For the back light it's leds which are usually blue, coated to give whiter light. Would the coating material turn yellow? I imagined if anything it would lose coating and turn more blue. I know ccfl back light can turn very warm, even orange with time, but those are not in use for over decade.

>>6234974
Yellowing was definitely the wrong term, but the issue is hard to describe and I'm not good at display terminology. If I set a canvas to pure black over the whole screen, there's a noticeable yellow discoloration coming from a few points along the edge of the screen. It was only one side for a long while, but recently two more have appeared. I don't bother with any night mode stuff

>>6235038
It's called color uniformity. It's common for monitors to have a slight warmer/cooler gradients in different areas. This normally shouldn't be noticable with a decent screen. But this also is unique to the particular panel, different monitor of the same model will perform differently. I don't really know about it getting worse over time, though. Try changing the brightness to see if it will get better or worse.

Tab S6 Lite still worth a cop?

I have around 350 to spend and I want a tablet to draw on the go, in bed etc.

I wonder how durable are the screen protectors on those pen displays without etched glass.

I found a second hand Kamvas 24 QHD, not the plus version for €320. Almost brand new since it comes from those amazon reviews that receive free products.

>>6235402
I've tried looking that up for a long time and never found a meaningful answer on how long they actually last. I decided it wasn't worth the gamble and just opted for etched glass instead.

>>6235236
S’aight
Especially since u can usually find it for giga-discount

>>6235236
personally I'd opt for a 3rd gen ipad pro which you should be able to find in your budget, but either will work.

Hello mates

Heard the Intuos 3 doesn't eat nibs
Does anyone know whether or not one by wacom eats nibs?

>>6236136
if you draw enough for that to be an issue you wouldn't be using that tablet

>>6235236
If only Dorohedoro didn't turn to shit towards the end, what a waste

>>6236136
every tablet will go through nibs, it's just part of plastic rubbing against a rough surface. A rough surface is necessary to give a good drawing feel that will approximately replicate the feel of pen/pencil on paper.
From my experience with half a dozen different tablets, nib wear has never been enough of an issue for me to give it any thought. Nibs are cheap and easy to replace.
Focus more on tablet specs than whether or not your nibs will wear out.
personally I think the one by wacom is too small and you'd be better off with a used intuos medium or a bigger huion/xp pen tablet.

cintiq pro 16 for €600 second hand. Is it worth?

i just got an intuos 3 from ebay and the tablet seems to be registering pen movement when it's above the drawing surface even with the nib out, anyone know how to fix this?

>>6236379
isnt that what it's supposed to do lol

>>6236205
For the 2018(?) model? doesn't sound too bad, although I heard the fans can be crazy loud, don't know if they released a firmware update for that.

is the 11" (Air/Pro) iPad variant big enough for somebody completely new to screen tablets?

>>6233743
You first get gud with pen and paper.
Once you're somewhat good, you can invest in a tablet. Even if you're aren't some amazing artist, it's not a bad idea to invest in it. Just take good care of it and be ready to learn how the programs work. I also hope you got some good hand eye coordination if you don't plan on buying the ones with the inbuilt screen.

>>6233687
I went from Bamboo -> Intuos Pen Small -> Huion New 1060 Plus

I sincerely hate the Huion. Ugly trails on lines, shitty pressure sensitivity, shitty wire, shitty USB connection.

>>6236461
The screen is a tad small but the performance is awesome.
I’m saying this as the owner of an Air 5, but sometimes I wish I’d gotten a bigger one

>>6233030
You can just zoom in.
At least that app has a larger canvas size than the screen also 3d layers so when you draw anime tiddies they actually pop.

>>6231353
This

>>6236471
You are dumb

>>6231306
All professionals use Wacom

Nobody will take you seriously if you produce your work on a fucking tablet, faggot.

>>6236438
A matte screen protector is essential unless you like the feeling of drawing on glass. It has a bit of tooth and feels more like paper. Problem is the protector gives the screen a slight iridescent look. You learn to see past it eventually.

Portability depends on how big man hands you have. I take it out to do plein airs often. Battery life is amazing, it's a non-issue on an average day

Other than the above kinks it's an amazing device, one of the best I've ever bought. My complaints usually are related to it not doing PC things, but the drawing and painting experience is simply amazing, feels fantastic, zero crashes and hookups, tons of nifty tricks. It probably boils down to whether you feel it's worth dropping the dosh and don't want to wait for the new model

>>6234607
Retard

>>6236402
Bought a Wacom cintique (?) , like 2 years ago, for like a 1000 bucks, used it twice, lol.
Pic sorta related.

>>6234555
Wrong

>>6234423
>but I recently got the 13HD
Any pros and cons? How's the parallax

Might order one next month

>>6234367
I do not agree.

>>6233751
I mean, your other options are x220t, x230t, or something like the elitebook 2760p
They're much better built than the Fujitsus, parts are easier to find, and use the same EMR digitizers meaning they all share pens.
Hell, they even share pens with the Galaxy note phones and tablets.

>>6234158
You should be.

>>6236480
Wow what an amazing reasoning you’ve convinced me I’m gonna sell it right now.

>>6236517
Retard

>>6236498
You should be.

>>6231338
having been lucky enough to use a kamvas 22 plus and a 24 inch cintiq pro, I gotta say that the chinese brands are not quite at parity with wacom just yet. That being said it certainly is close enough that I wouldn't be willing to drop $1500 to make the difference in my current situation. If I had a ton more money then I might consider it, but as a relatively dedicated hobbyist I think that my kamvas is plenty.

>>6231451
get a xbox or playstation controller and bind the keys up in steam or some other app. You can get 4 seperate analog inputs on each thumbstick, it absolutely destroys any of those shitty macro bastards

>>6236483
> Tools define the skill of an artist

Honestly the Wacom One is pretty decent, a bit expensive for the 13 inch size, but definitely one of the best display tablets. Why isn't it recommended more?

https://youtu.be/xPWGgdehCRo?t=768

>>6236621
Do you have experience using a controller that way? I've seen some people do it but it looks extremely uncomfortable to me compared to a keyboard.

>>6236659
which software do you use? I got the Tabmate for CSP and it works really well.

just take some cheap wacom bamboo and start doing shit, you will get over it, stop gearfagging, /thread

>>6236483
Nobody gives a shit what tablet you use. Obsessing over tools and brands is a ngmi crab mentality

>>6236664
I heard about that as well. Mostly I'm curious at keyboard alternatives since I've seen people use the tabmate, xbox/playstation controller, razer one handed keyboard, tourbox, etc.

I use CSP normally but lately I've been using Photoshop more.

>>6236644
Screen looks dull, and it's too small.

>>6236644
because it's not price competitive unless you just want the wacom brand name. stay away from wacom's "budget" line. it comes with none of the features that are standard nowadays.

>>6236461
Its fine. I used to do commissions for about a year and half on a 9.7" sammy tablet years back.

>>6236696
BUT old wacoms from the past centuries are +1 to skill because you are that grown into your device you give no shit about anything more

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>>6236466
what's with the influx of shit quality posts that usually aren't even a response to the reply they're responding to?
Is the wacom shill that bored of his own thread with no relevant discussion that he's coming here to stir shit?

>>6236785
wacomtard at it again, he realized people here are actually having discussions and he can't stand it

>>6231451
My kamvas came today. Had a bit of trouble with the pen not working but it's fine now after installing the linux beta driver. How hard should I be pressing the pen on the screen? I can get varied line weight but I have to use a little bit of pressure to get a light line (holding the pen from its end and lightly dragging it across the screen doesn't give me any lines). I've only drawn trad until now so I'm not sure what's normal.
>>6236621
I have an xbox controller so I'll have to try this.

>>6236821
there's no correct amount of pressure/pressure curve. set your own that you're comfortable with.
generally lighter is better for longevity of your pen and screen/screen protector though, and is a good habit to get into.

>>6236760
I wanna see your work done on the samshit

>>6236872
WHO IS SAMMY

>>6236939
SAMMY YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR

>>6236941
CHRISSY WAKE UP

What's the best handy tool for Wacom? I just want a small shortcut set to keep in my hand instead of using the keyboard.

>>6237103
Any of those cheap one-handed half keyboards that aimed at gamers. Wireless models also exist. It's way more comfortable than any of those tablet specific remotes with unfamiliar layots.

>>6237117
The huion one has a little dial on it which is kinda cool
But you still have the unfamiliar layout and complete lack of ergonomics compared to a keypad

>>6237117
Sweet thanks
I do also like to rotate my screen a lot so I was hoping to find one with a wheel, but I suppose I could just configure the rotations myself

>>6237125
"R" is usually the hotkey for the rotation in most apps. I have "S"+"W" set for brush size also. And I'm zooming with the Spacebar+Ctrl(+Alt). I've never really used or wanted to use a dial on any of the tablets that I had, so I don't believe it's necessary.

>>6237125
Tablet specific shortcut remotes have dials and will generally be cheaper than a game pad. Xp pen ac19 is $35, huion kd100 is $50, or wacom something or another remote is $75

OP should add that if you're going non-wacom then you usually should look for the most recent models as they're updating frequently, at times with big improvements. For example, Huion's newer pw517 pen is apparently way better than their previous pw507 pen with superior cursor accuracy and the nib stability.

>>6237154
>will generally be cheaper than a game pad.
Dude, you can get one handed keyboard for like 7$.

>>6237162
I was thinking about the gamer branded overpriced abominations

>>6237155
I did specify to get the biggest/newest you can afford, but I can add that if I'm able to make another thread without wacomautist throwing a bitch fit

>>6237185
Lo and behold some autistic kid will start screaming that you'll have to buy exactly Razor one-handed keyboard and no other brand.

If you guys had the money for only one between Cintiq pro 16 and Kamvas pro 24 4K , which one would you get?

>>6237663
The bigger one obviously.

Xp-pen or Wacom? I have 400 euro and I want a display one

>>6237681
What wacom display can you even afford for 400? Wacom will never give you good value for the money. You buy their products because they're the best in the business.
Personally I'd say get a 2nd hand xp pen 24 or huion 22 plus for that price.

>>6237663
Just be aware that the new Cintiq Pro 16 has a manufacturing defect where the display panel gets popped out of the case. I had that issue when I bought mine from Amazon, then I reached out to Wacom and they sent me a new one that was even worse.

You can pop it back in but there's still some give and inconsistencies around the edges. It doesn't affect the performance in any way from what I experienced, but I wasn't sure if it was going to lead to other issues down the line.

I also thought that I'd be happy working with 16 inch but it was too cramped for me personally, so I ended up getting a Pro 24.

If budget was a concern I'd definitely go with the Kamvas Pro 24 4K, I've heard really great things about it, and on paper it has everything that you need: amazing screen, color accuracy, size, performance, no loud fan issues.

>>6238313
its the cintiq pro 16 1st gen. Both tablets are from my country second hand market. Both priced at €600.

The kamvas came from those amazon reviews that send you a free product. Its from the same guy that sells the kamvas 24QHD of >>6235402 so its kinda brand new.

I think I might go for the kamvas 24 4k, but im worried if something happens in the future since i wouldnt have the amazon warranty.

The wacom also looks barely used at all.

>>6238392
>Both priced at €600.
you can get a kamvas 24 4k for €600? That's a fucking steal, and a substantially better tablet than the cintiq.

>>6238430
yeah haha , I went yolo and just talked with him and bought it. I couldnt let it escape.

will post my experience with it once it arrives.

>>6238430
https://es.wallapop.com/item/huion-kamvas-pro-24-4k-812384899 ( basically spanish ebay )

for people to see that its real, and you can find really good stuff on second hnad markets.

>>6238451
La verdad es que tiene unas opiniones de la hostia, buen descubrimiento.
O se lo compras ya o lo compro yo jej

>>6238467
la compré ya xD , aunque tiene otra kamvas 24 QHD ( no plus ) por apenas €310. Si le regateas un poco lo mismo te lla llevas por 250 o incluso menos.

la 4k la tenía a 750 y despues de regatearle un poco logré que bajara a 600.

Tiene un stock de productos que flipas.

>>6238451
damn nice
I was going to buy one for $700 a few weeks ago, the guy listed it for $500 then upped the price. I told him I didn't care and I'd come pick it up anyway, but someone else beat me to it

have fun with your tablet, friend.

>>6238467
>>6238476
Hostia puta me sorprende que por fin alguien en este sitio en español y yo pensando que todos son gringos XD

>>6238392
>>6238446
Good on you anon, I'd buy the 24 4K if I were in your shoes too, it sounds like too good of a deal to pass up.

>>6238476
En realidad lo decía por putear, yo uso un IPad lmao

Quizá si le sigo dando seriamente al tema del arte me plantee comprar algo más tocho, de momento tiro con esto

>>6231365
>Yeah im not falling for the chink trap. I'm sticking with either Wacom or Ipad
they're all made by chinks.

Any other linux users with a Huion tablet? My tablet was working fine through HDMI yesterday but today I had to plug in the usb too for the driver to detect it. I'm assuming it's a driver issue rather than a hardware problem because it still gets picked up as a monitor through HDMI.

>>6236841
I guess I'll keep playing with the settings. I don't have to dig into the screen or anything, so maybe I'm just being too cautious because of the price.

iPadchads I need a recommendation for a matte screen protector that also makes it kinda like paper. However, I need the 'paper' feeling to last longer.

I bought a Paperlike copy (its called Paperfeel) and while it worked great, the 'rugosity' only lasted for like a month and then its fucking gone, now its smooth as the glass was.

Any suggestions here? From what I've seen Paperlike is an overpriced scam but I cant find good alternatives.

>>6239383
Maybe consider Elecom?

>>6239383
They all will be polished or greased to smoothness after a while. I suggest you try getting a few of the cheapest matte ceramic screen protectors and just swap them. They will probably last as long as ""high quality brand name"" ones and feel about the same, but will cost peanuts. I got mine for 5$ a while back and it's alright, feels like an intuos surface. I barely draw on Ipad, so can't say how long the "tooth" stays.

>>6239466
Nta but I use elecom, they do the same thing. The grittiness wears downs after not that much use. I find the worn down texture okay for drawing on still so I don't mind.

>>6236466
You don't really need to start with paper and pencil, you're just fine with a tablet. You'll develop eye cordination (with screenless), your strokes will improve with practice while also learning how to draw.